Feb 10, 2026 Regular Meeting

[A. Call to Order (6:00 pm)]

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I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. NEED AUTHORIZATION.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY PARTICIPATION FROM ELECTRONICS. ROLL CALL, VOTE, PLEASE. MR. COX? HERE.

MR. PHILLIP PUGH? HERE. MR. HAMILL? HERE. MR. FORD PUGH? HERE. MR. WEBB? HERE. ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE TO THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA. MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED.

LET'S SEE. THIS WOULD BE IN SECTION I UNDER REPORTS. I'D LIKE TO REMOVE ITEMS I3, I4, I5, I6, AND I7. I HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. A SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. HEARING NONE, ROLL CALL, VOTE, PLEASE. MR. PHILLIP PUGH? YES. MR. HAMILL? YES. MR. FORD PUGH? YES. MR. WEBB? YES. MR. COX? YES. OKAY, ANY OTHER? CHANGES TO THE AGENDA BEFORE WE ADOPT IT. HEARING NONE, I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA WITH THE CHANGES. SO MOVED. I HAVE A MOTION, I HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND, TWO WAYS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MR. HAMILL? YES. MR. FORD-PUGH? YES. MR. WEBB? YES. MR. COX? YES. MR. PHILLIP-PUGH? YES. ALL RIGHT,

[B. Closed Session]

WHERE DISCUSSION IN AN OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE BARGAINING POSITION OR NEGOTIATION STRATEGY OF THE PUBLIC BODY, SUCH DISCUSSION SHALL BE LIMITED TO THE PETERSBURG BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT WITH PETERSBURG. OKAY, HEARD A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. HEARING NONE, ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MR. FORD PUGH? YES. MR. WEBB? YES. MR. COX? YES. MR. PHILLIP PUGH? YES. MR. HAMILL? YES. OKAY, WE'LL BE IN CLOSED SESSION.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, WELL, I NEED A MOTION TO COME BACK OUT OF CLOSED SESSION. CHAIR, I MAKE A MOTION TO RECONVENE AN OPEN SESSION AND CERTIFY, PURSUANT TO VIRGINIA CODE 2.2-3712D, THAT ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS LAWFULLY.

EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS AND IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVENED, WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED. OKAY, YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MR. WEBB? YES. MR. COX? YES. MR. HAMILL? YES.

MR. PHILLIP PUGH? YES. MR. FORD PUGH? YES. MR.

[C. Business Meeting]

I BELIEVE THE OPTION WE'VE BEEN GIVEN IS THE 17TH OF FEBRUARY. THAT IS THE WORK SESSION. AND WAS IT TO STACK IT, OR WAS IT TO PUSH? I'M SORRY. STACK IT.

TO STACK THOSE ITEMS. SO, AGAIN, IT'S I-3, I-4, I-5, I-6, AND I-7 TO A DATE CERTAIN, WHICH WOULD BE FEBRUARY THE 17TH. OKAY. ALSO, WE'VE GOT ONE ADDITIONAL THING I THINK WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION, THAT ITEM... E-1. E-1, WE WOULD NEED TO STRIKE FROM THE AGENDA AS WELL DUE TO AN ABSENCE. ALL RIGHT.

YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

SECOND, FOR DISCUSSION.

HEARING UNROLLED CALL, PLEASE. MR. WEBB? YES. MR. FORD-PUGH? YES. MR. HAMILL? YES. MR. PHILLIP-PUGH? YES.

MR. COX? YES. ALL RIGHT, THIS TIME WE'LL MOVE TO INVOCATION. I'M GOING TO ASK, MR. FORD-PUGH TO HANDLE THAT TONIGHT FOR US, AND THEN MR. WEBB, IF YOU'LL FOLLOW WITH THE ALLEGED ALLEGIANCE.

MOST GRACIOUS HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED BLESSINGS.

WE ASK YOU TO KEEP OUR CITIZENS SAFE AS THIS WINTER EXTENDS A FEW MORE MONTHS, AND WATCH OVER US AND GUIDE US AND DIRECT EVERYTHING WE DO TO BE PLEASING IN YOUR SIGHT.

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ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

REMEMBER, YOUR TIME IS THREE MINUTES, AND WHEN YOU COME UP, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. DO YOU HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED? IS THERE ANYBODY FOR ELECTRONIC PARTICIPATION? ANYBODY DIAL IN? OKAY, ANYBODY SIGN UP? YES, SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN. MS. CONNIE LEONARD.

OKAY. GOOD EVENING. YOU JUST NEED TO GIVE YOUR NAME BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY SIGNED UP WITH YOUR ADDRESS. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. VICE CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MS. PUDLOW, AND MS. PASTEL. I'M HERE TONIGHT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY COMMUNITY EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM. WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO THANK OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AND MEMBERS OF THE PREVIOUS BOARD FOR THEIR SUPPORT IN THE PAST, RECOGNIZING OUR VOLUNTEERS AND SUPPORTING OUR MISSION. AND TO INTRODUCE OURSELVES TO THE NEW BOARD MEMBERS AND ASK FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT IN 2027. AS A BRIEF BACKGROUND, THE PRINCE GEORGE CERT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2015 UNDER THE SPONSORSHIP OF THE PRINCE GEORGE FIRE AND EMS DEPARTMENT. THE DEPUTY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR SERVES AS OUR ADVISOR. WE ARE CURRENTLY 25 MEMBERS, STRONG AND AND GROWING. THE PRINCE GEORGE CERT IS A CADRE OF VOLUNTEER CITIZENS WHO TRAIN IN BASIC EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AND RESPONSE SKILLS. THAT PREPARE US TO AID OUR FAMILIES, NEIGHBORS, AND THE COMMUNITY. UNTIL OUR FIRST RESPONDERS CAN ARRIVE.

OUR TRAINING INCLUDES BASIC EMERGENCY RESPONSE SKILLS SUCH AS FIRST AID, CPR, FIRE SAFETY, LIGHT SEARCH AND RESCUE, AND KNOWLEDGE OF DISASTER MEDICAL OPERATIONS.

IN 2025, WE ADDED PET FIRST AID AND CPR TO OUR SKILL SET.

MEMBERS LOGGED OVER 700 VOLUNTEER HOURS IN 2025, SUPPORTING A NUMBER OF COMMUNITY EVENTS AND PARTICIPATING IN TRAINING.

EVENTS INCLUDED COMMUNITY CLEANUP DAY EVENTS IN APRIL AND OCTOBER, TWO DRUG TAKE-BACK EVENTS, NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, THE PRINCE GEORGE CZECH FESTIVAL, THE PRINCE GEORGE CHRISTMAS PARADE, AND THE REEDS ACROSS AMERICA EVENT AT MERCHANTS HOPE MEMORIAL GARDENS IN DECEMBER. MOST RECENTLY, DURING THE WEATHER EVENT FERN, MEMBERS WERE ON STANDBY, READY TO ASSIST WHEREVER THEY MIGHT BE NEEDED.

IN 2024, EVENTS INCLUDED THE DIXIE SOFTBALL TOURNAMENT AND TRAFFIC CONTROL AT VOTER POLLING PLACES FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION IN NOVEMBER, AS WELL AS THE PRINCE GEORGE HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION. PRINCE GEORGE'S CERT OFTEN PARTNERS WITH OUR NEIGHBORING CERT ORGANIZATIONS.

AND IN 2025, MEMBERS PARTICIPATED AS ROLE PLAYERS IN AN ACTIVE THREAT TRAINING EVENT. WITH OUR COLONIAL HEIGHTS, FIRE AND EMS AND POLICE NEIGHBORS. IN CLOSING, WE THANK PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY FOR RECOGNIZING AND SUPPORTING OUR VOLUNTEERS AND OUR MISSION, AND ALLOWING US TO CONTINUE TO SERVE AS THE HELP UNTIL HELP ARRIVES. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MA'AM AND THANK ALL THE MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE WITH YOU TONIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE SIGNED UP? NO, SIR. ALRIGHT, I'M OPENING THE FLOOR. MAKE SURE WE GET THE START TO TIMER THIS TIME. JOSEPH WAYNE MACK, 7110, LAUREL SPRING ROAD, HERE IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY. I WAS HAVING DINNER WITH MY GRANDMOTHER, BUT APPARENTLY I HAVE TO COME DOWN HERE BECAUSE Y'ALL DIDN'T WANT TO... READ THESE INTO THE MINUTES. SO, THE POSITION OF COUNTY ATTORNEY IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT TONIGHT.

AND I HAVE REQUESTED FROM TWO BOARD MEMBERS, TWO DIFFERENT BOARD MEMBERS, WHO FAILED TO GET BACK WITH ME. WITH A COPY OF THE CONTRACT OR ANSWER QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE CONTRACT FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. I NOTICED THAT BOARD DOCUMENTS IS SUSPICIOUSLY MISSING, DESPITE THIS BEING A PUBLIC BUSINESS USING TAXPAYER FUNDS. I HOPE THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE... THE OPEN MINUTE PROCEDURES, THE OPEN MEETING PROCEDURES, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THIS HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE.

NOW, I DON'T KNOW, MR. THE APPLICANT, I DON'T HAVE ANY FIRST-HAND INFORMATION, BUT I HAVE READ A NUMBER OF VERY CONCERNING ARTICLES

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I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SECRECY AND THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY AROUND THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.

THE CITIZENS OF PRINCE GEORGE... HAVE NOT BEEN AFFORDED PROPER NOTICE TO WEIGH IN ON THIS MATTER BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN THE CONTRACT.

FOR NEARLY SIX MONTHS, THIS WAS THE ONLY SUPPOSED APPLICANT FOR THIS POSITION, WHICH I FIND INCREDIBLY HARD TO BELIEVE.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THE BERKELEY GROUP, WHICH WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH, BECAUSE THEY WERE THE SAME ONES THAT BROUGHT US. THE 2045 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO ADD HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF NEW HOMES TO PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY. COVERING DISPUTANDA AND FIVE-STORY MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENTS, WALL-TO-WALL TOWNHOUSES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO PARKER'S GROCERY, AND HIGH-RISE APARTMENT BUILDINGS IN CARSON. THIS SAME FIRM THAT WE GIVE OUR TAX MONEY TO CONTINUES TO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT WORD IS TO DESCRIBE THEIR CONTEMPT FOR THE CITIZENS OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.

BUT HIRING THEIR HAND-PICKED...

ATTORNEY WOULD BE YET MORE FRUIT FROM THE POISONOUS TREE IN THIS EFFORT TO SELL OUT OUR COUNTY. SO, LOOK, YOU SAW MY EMAIL. YOU SAW THE WORDS AND WHAT I PUT FORWARD.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT TONIGHT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS ENTIRE PROCESS HAS BEEN PROBLEMATIC FROM THE BEGINNING. THE ENTIRE THING THAT WAS DONE WITH FIRING THE ATTORNEY TO BEGIN WITH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HAVING A AN ASSISTANT HIRED RIGHT BEFORE SHE WAS FIRED, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S BEING FORKED OUT TO SAM'S ANDERSON. I MEAN, THIS BUDGET'S OUT OF CONTROL.

AND I'M NOT SURE THAT ANY OF THIS IS HELPFUL AT A TIME THAT WE FACE AN UNPRECEDENTED ASSAULT FROM OUR VALUES FROM RICHMOND. WE NEED SOMEBODY WHO'S ON TOP OF THIS, WHO UNDERSTANDS THE LAW, AND WHO CAN ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING TO DEFEND OUR COUNTY. AND SO I JUST HOPE TONIGHT THAT Y'ALL MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. AND CERTAINLY NOT WITHOUT GIVING THE CITIZENS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY WEIGH IN ON IT. SO, ANYWAY, THAT'S IT. THANKS, SIR.

THANK YOU. BEFORE I BEGIN, I WAS HERE LAST TIME, AND THIS TIMER SPECIFICALLY DOESN'T WORK. IT DID NOT WORK LAST NIGHT. OUR TAX DOLLARS. ARE SPENT, AND IT IS EMBARRASSING AND DISRESPECTFUL TO THE SPEAKERS THAT THIS DOESN'T WORK. AND I HAVE TO ACTUALLY SET A TIMER OVER HERE TO BE ABLE TO MONITOR. I'M SORRY, IT'S TAKEN JUST A LITTLE BIT FOR ME TO DO IT. JUST GIVE ME A MOMENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

BUT YES, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF SOMEONE COULD AFFORD THE STAFF DOLLARS TO FIX OUR TIMER. I'M JUSTIN GOODMAN. 15201 JAMES RIVER DRIVE, SO MY TIME IS STARTING NOW, PLEASE. THANK YOU SO MUCH, JESUS CHRIST, MY LORD AND SAVIOR, FOR ALLOWING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME HERE. DATA CENTERS ARE NOT JUST BUILDINGS, THEY ARE ELECTRICAL LOADS OF ENTIRELY DIFFERENT MAGNITUDE, OKAY. A SINGLE LARGE HYPERSCALE DATA CENTER CAN REQUIRE HUNDREDS OF MEGAWATTS OF CONTINUOUS POWER COMPARED TO A SMALL CITY. WE ARE SEEING IT NATIONWIDE, MUNICIPALITIES ARE FIGHTING IT, OKAY. THAT DEMAND MUST BE MET THROUGH NEW AND EXPANDED SUBSTATIONS, ADDITIONAL TRANSMISSION CAPACITY, AND UPGRADES TO EXISTING HIGH VOLTAGE CORRIDORS. IN PG, THAT MEANS REAL IMPACTS FROM OUR 230 AND OUR 500 TRANSMISSION LINES. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EXPAND RIGHT-OF-WAYS, INCREASE THE ELECTRICAL DENSITY NEAR RESIDENTIAL HOMES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE. PROPERTY VALUES, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, ALL OF THAT WILL BE AFFECTED. WHAT CONCERNS MANY RESIDENTS IS THE CUMULATIVE WORD. EACH DATA CENTER APPLICATION MAY APPEAR MANAGEABLE IN ISOLATION, BUT COLLECTIVELY, THEY CREATE CASCADING INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS AND LARGER SUBSTATIONS. ALL THE SUBSTATIONS EVENTUALLY HAVE TO GET UPGRADED TO HELP THE LOADS. HIGHER CAPACITY LINES AND FUTURE UPGRADES ARE NOT ALWAYS DISCLOSED DURING THE REZONING, AND THEY DON'T ALWAYS TALK ABOUT IT. SO EVENTUALLY, LINES HAVE TO GET UPDATED, OKAY? THERE MUST BE TRANSPARENCY. AND TRANSMISSION INFRASTRUCTURE IS OFTEN JUSTIFIED AS REGIONAL. I RESPECTFULLY ASK WHETHER TRULY INDEPENDENT STUDIES OF OUR OWN, IF WE EVER DECIDE TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT, WE HIRE OUR OWN STUDIES, NOT RELY ON DOMINION. PLEASE, EVERYONE, WATCH ERIN BROCKOVICH, GREAT MOVIE. JUST BECAUSE THE COMPANY SAYS IT'S SAFE, IT AIN'T SAFE. THIS ISN'T OPPOSITION TO TECHNOLOGY. WHAT IT IS, IT'S A CALL FOR...

SEQUENCING, TRANSPARENCY, AND RESTRAINT. JUST BECAUSE THE

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IF YOU ALL KNOW WHO I AM, THERE'S TESTING I'VE DONE. I CAN'T DISCLOSE YET. I'VE REACHED OUT TO PG ELECTRIC FOR THEM TO MEET ME BEFORE I DISCLOSE IT. BECAUSE YOUR RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO GO NUTS. IF MY INFORMATION IS RIGHT, WHICH? THANK YOU, COUNTY ADMIN OVER IN DINWIDDIE FOR GIVING ME THIS ONE. HE BELIEVES THAT I BELIEVE THAT MY INFORMATION IS CORRECT. WELL, I BELIEVE IN MY LORD AND SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST.

WITH THIS INFORMATION, LO AND BEHOLD, IF IT IS ACCURATE, AND I AM RIGHT, WHICH WORLDWIDE MUNICIPALITIES AGREE, AND I WOULD HAVE, PEOPLE'S HOMES ARE GOING TO BE LIKE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO EVEN WANT TO BE IN THE HOUSE. YOU MEASURE THE THINGS FROM THESE SUBSTATIONS. NO ONE TOOK THIS TIME. IT'S NOT Y'ALL.

THERE'S HUGE DISINFORMATION.

TOBACCO COMPANIES, WE KNOW ABOUT IT. I BELIEVE MY TIME MAY BE UP. YOUR TIME IS UP, SO YOU NEED TO WRAP IT UP. I NEED TO REACH OUT TO PG ELECTRIC TO HAVE THEM CALL ME BEFORE I GO PUBLIC WITH THE INFORMATION. I'VE GIVEN THEM TWO WEEKS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, ANYONE ELSE? GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU. I HADN'T PLANNED TO SAY ANYTHING TONIGHT, BUT THE GENTLEMAN WHO SPOKE, NOT THIS GENTLEMAN. MA'AM, I NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. I'M SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. HELEN LEONARD. 21103 HORSESHOE ROAD IN CARSON. THE GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE PRIOR TO THE GENTLEMAN WITH THE HAT MADE SOME INTERESTING COMMENTS. I'M PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN FREEDOM OF INFORMATION.

VIRGINIA DOES HAVE A LAW. IT'S A VERY GOOD LAW, IN MY OPINION.

I'M NOT A LAWYER, BUT IT'S EASY TO READ AND EASY TO UNDERSTAND. THERE IS A SENATE BILL OUT THERE NOW.

IT'S SENATE BILL 699. IF YOU HAVEN'T, I DON'T KNOW WHO TRACKS THESE BILLS FOR THE COUNTY, BUT IT'S AN INTERESTING BILL BECAUSE IT SPEAKS TO MAKING AGENDAS PUBLIC. AND THAT HAD BEEN AN ISSUE AT ONE OF THE MEETINGS I ATTENDED HERE. SO I WOULD ASK THAT SENATE BILL 699 BE PASSED.

699, HAS PASSED THE SENATE, AND IT'S NOW IN THE HOUSE. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT IT IF YOU HAVEN'T. I THINK IT MAKES SOME GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT HOW AGENDAS CAN BE MODIFIED AND WHEN THEY SHOULD.

SO I PASS THAT ALONG TO YOU FOR YOUR INFORMATION. AND I ALSO WOULD ENCOURAGE OTHER PEOPLE, SO, THAT'S IT.

CITIZENS, RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY, TO LOOK AT THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT.

BECAUSE THAT INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE IS AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST. AND IT'S VERY CLEAR AND VERY SIMPLE. YOU JUST HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU WANT AND ASK FOR IT. SO THAT'S MY COMMENT.

THE RED BUTTONS DON'T BOTHER ME. I DON'T. SO JUST FYI.

THAT'S WHAT I HAD TO SAY, AND I WISH YOU ALL LUCK ON THE BUDGET PROCESS. THANK YOU, MA'AM. OKAY, ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NO ONE AT THIS TIME MOVE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. ALL

[D. Consent Agenda]

MR. PHILLIP PUGH? YES. MR. COX? YES. MR. WEBB? YES.

[F. Comments]

SORRY FOR THE LONG CLOSED SESSION. I'M GLAD TO SEE SO MANY FACES OUT THERE THIS EVENING AND I'VE GOT A COUPLE IMPORTANT TOPICS TO TALK ABOUT. I THINK WE'VE MADE MENTION IN ONE OF OUR SESSIONS BEFORE, BUT MAYBE NOT IN A BUSINESS MEETING, BUT I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION FOR ALL OF OUR COUNTY EMPLOYEES, FIRE, EMS, POLICE, ALL THE FOLKS THAT WORKED, ESPECIALLY OUR CERT TEAMS AS WELL. WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE YOU GUYS HERE. YOU

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ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I WANTED TO TOUCH ON, THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE AT A PREVIOUS MEETING. IT WAS QUESTIONING THE TIMELINESS OF A DOCUMENT WE HAD. I THINK IT WAS OUR PAST BUSINESS MEETING, AND I THINK WE FOUND OUT AFTERWARDS THAT THE DOCUMENT IN QUESTION HAD ACTUALLY BEEN POSTED ON TIME.

AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT. I KNOW I THINK WE'VE SEEN SOME BUGS WITH BOARD DOCS IN THE PAST, AND I THINK WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WORK THROUGH THOSE. BUT AT LEAST IN THE TOPIC THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT OUR LAST BUSINESS MEETING, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS KNOWN THAT THE DOCUMENT WAS OUT THERE IN TIME. AND WE APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK OUR CLERK DOES KEEPING THOSE THINGS OUT THERE FOR US.

THAT'S ALL THE COMMENTS FOR ME AT THIS TIME, SIR. ALL RIGHT.

THANKS, SIR. MR. PHILLIP, YOU? I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT. THANK YOU TO THE CERT TEAM FOR COMING AND GIVING A PRESENTATION ON WHAT YOU ALL DO. I KNOW I DULY APPRECIATE IT. I'M GLAD THE NEW BOARD MEMBERS CAN LEARN ABOUT IT. LOOK FORWARD TO YOU ALL CONTINUING TO SERVE, AND I HOPE YOU GET YOUR MEMBERSHIP UP. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT AT THIS TIME. OKAY.

MR. FORT, TO YOU. THANKS TO EVERYBODY WHO HAS WRITTEN OR CALLED ME IN THE LAST WEEK ABOUT SPECIFIC BILLS. WE DID GO TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT DAY UP AT THE STATE CAPITOL LAST THURSDAY. IT WAS AN EYE-OPENING, VERY GOOD EXPERIENCE. WE COMMUNICATED SOME THINGS. IT WAS A GOOD CONVERSATION.

CONTINUE TO REACH OUT. LEAN IN.

I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE INTERESTED IN THE BUDGET PROCESS.

CONTINUE TO BE INTERESTED, NOT JUST IN THE BUDGET PROCESS, BUT EVERYTHING THAT WE DO.

OBVIOUSLY, WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO MANAGE OUR EXPENSES THIS YEAR, BUT IF YOU THINK THAT YOU HAVE ANY CREATIVE IDEAS OF ANYTHING THAT MIGHT HELP, FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT AND GIVE US THOSE. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON IMPROVING THINGS THE BEST THAT WE CAN. THAT INCLUDES POSTING THINGS TO BOARD DOCS EARLIER, GETTING GUIDANCE ON HOW TO SUBMIT SOME OF THESE DOCUMENTS THAT THE PUBLIC IS INTERESTED IN BEFORE WE VOTE ON THEM. SO JUST KNOW THAT WE ARE TAKING YOUR COMMENTS AND DOING THINGS WITH THEM. SO THANK YOU. THANKS, SIR. MR. WEBB. I TURNED IT OFF BECAUSE I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS BUZZING. THANKS FOR EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT. I WANT TO ECHO WHAT MR. HAMILL, AND FORD-PUGH HAVE ALREADY SAID. IT WAS A GREAT JOB.

BY CERT, BRIAN BAER, ECC, FIRE, POLICE, EMS. EVERYBODY, AND TO HIS POINT, WE WERE VERY LUCKY. IT COULD HAVE BEEN A LOT WORSE THAN IT WAS. THE ICE WAS BAD ENOUGH, BUT IT COULD HAVE BEEN A LOT WORSE IF IT STARTED OFF DIFFERENT. WE DID HAVE A LOT OF TREES AND POWER LINES DOWN WITH THOSE 30 TO 50 MILE WINDS WE JUST HAD, AND WE STILL WERE FAIRLY LUCKY WITH THAT.

WITH POWER OUTAGES, IT IS CONCERNING WHAT SOME OF THESE, I GOTTA BE POLITE HERE, WHAT SOME OF THESE PEOPLE TO THE NORTH OF US ARE TRYING TO PUSH THROUGH YOU. IT'S NOT THAT THEY HAVEN'T TRIED BEFORE. I THINK I'VE MENTIONED IN THIS MEETING ABOUT SOLAR AND EXTRA STORAGE BATTERIES AND ALL THAT WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO LIMIT THE SOLAR WHEN IT FIRST STARTED UP TO WHERE WE GOT NOW. HOPEFULLY THEY WON'T GET THAT PASSED.

SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF THEY GOT ON HOUSING IS ALSO CONCERNING.

WE'VE ALREADY SENT PLENTY OF LETTERS THROUGH OUR PIO BACK IN OPPOSITION, THE GUYS THAT WENT TO THE...

CAPITAL HAD A CHANCE TO VOICE THEIR OPINION ON IT, AND A LOT OF OTHER LOCALITIES ARE ALSO JOINING IN. WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT PASSES AND WHAT FAILS. SOME OF THE STUFF'S ALREADY BEEN TABLED, BUT I DO TRY TO TRACK IT, BUT IT'S A LOT. THAT'S ALL I GOT FOR NOW. THANKS, SIR. AND I WILL ECHO EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS.

AGAIN, WE DODGED A BULLET, SO TO SPEAK, WITH THE STORMS. BEEN COLD. WE DIDN'T DODGE THAT, THAT'S FOR SURE.

BUT HOPEFULLY WE'RE GOING TO SEE WARMER DAYS ON THE HORIZON, AND HOPEFULLY SPRING WILL BE COMING SOON. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. MS. PUDLOW, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, COMMENTS? THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN COX. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS TO NOTE HERE. WE'VE GOT AN ADOPTION EVENT AT THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY ANIMAL SHELTER, HALF OFF OF FEES AND FREE PUPPY KISSES WITH ANY DONATIONS. THAT'S FEBRUARY 14TH, SO VALENTINE'S DAY. FEBRUARY 15TH, THE BURN BAN LAW IS IN EFFECT THROUGH APRIL 30TH, SO NO OPEN-AIR BURNING BEFORE 4 P.M. FEBRUARY 16TH IS PRESIDENT'S DAY. COUNTY GOVERNMENT OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED. FEBRUARY 17TH, THERE IS A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS PRE-BUDGET WORK SESSION. WE ALL JUST HEARD THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL ITEMS BEEN ADDED TO THAT AGENDA.

FEBRUARY 23RD IS A BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS MEETING THAT HAS

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JUST A COUPLE OF PIECES OF INFORMATION FOR THE PUBLIC. CURRENTLY, TWO INVITATION FOR BIDS OPEN. ONE IS FOR PAINTING SERVICES FOR INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR PAINTING PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

THIS BID CLOSES ON MARCH 6, 2026. ANOTHER ONE IS FOR CONSTRUCTION AT THE PAVILION AT J.E.J.

MOORE MIDDLE SCHOOL, WHICH CLOSES ON MARCH 4TH. THESE CAN BE FOUND AT THE COUNTY FINANCE DEPARTMENT'S WEBPAGE UNDER PROCUREMENT AND SOLICITATIONS AND AWARDS, OR ON EVA, WHICH IS SHORT FOR ELECTRONIC VIRGINIA. THIS IS THE CAT. COMMONWEALTH'S OFFICIAL WEB-BASED PROCUREMENT MARKETPLACE. ADDITIONALLY, A SPECIAL ELECTION HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED BY THE STATE OF VIRGINIA ON APRIL 21, 2026, FOR A PROPOSED CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT ON REDISTRICTING.

THIS WAS ANNOUNCED ON FEBRUARY 6. PLEASE SEE THE COUNTY REGISTRAR'S WEBSITE FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THERE.

SORRY, JUST TWO MORE NOTES HERE. RACHEL LUMPKIN HAS BEEN APPOINTED AS THE INTERIM COUNTY ENGINEER AND UTILITIES DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR FOLLOWING MR. HOLTHAM. AND THEN STAFF IS PREPARING AN AFTER ACTION REPORT FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE PUBLIC, BASED ON WINTER STORM FERNS RESPONSE.

AND I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT, I THINK THE BOARD, THEY STOLE MY WORDS. FOR THE COUNTY STAFF AND EVERYBODY THAT HELPED US PREPARE FOR THAT STORM AND WORK THROUGH IT. THAT WAS A PHENOMENAL EFFORT AND IT'S VERY INSPIRING TO WORK NEXT TO FOLKS WHO ARE THAT DEDICATED TO THE COMMUNITY? WE HAVE A GREAT COMMUNITY WHO DESERVES THAT DEDICATION. AND I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT, WE JUST HONOR THE COMMUNITY HERE IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.

WE HONESTLY ASKED PEOPLE TO BE SAFE AND USE GOOD JUDGMENT, AND PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY SHOWED UP WITH MASSES OF GREAT JUDGMENT, AND WE HAD VERY LIMITED TRAFFIC. SO I WANT TO THANK THE PUBLIC FOR THE OUTSTANDING JUDGMENT THAT WE HAVE HERE IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY. THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT A LOT EASIER FOR POLICE AND FIRE. THAT'S ALL

[G. Postponed Item]

MR. PASTOR, GOOD EVENING MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, THESE ARE PROPOSED, WE'RE CALLING THEM RULES OF PROCEDURE. IT'S ONE OF THE COMMENTS AND SUGGESTIONS FROM MYSELF AND THE ATTORNEYS AT SANDS ANDERSON. WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, WE'VE TAKEN THE CLEAN VERSION OF WHAT THIS BOARD HAD PROPOSED BACK ON JANUARY 2ND, AND THEN WE'VE ADDED SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER TONIGHT. I KNOW THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS IN THERE AND I CAN CERTAINLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS THE BOARD HAS ABOUT THESE PARTICULAR EDITS, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY UP TO THE BOARD TONIGHT TO DECIDE WHAT, IF ANY, CHANGES THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE TO THAT TONIGHT.

QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE A QUESTION. THE SHIFT FROM CALLING THEM BYLAWS AND RULES OF PROCEDURE.

IN MY EXPERIENCE, MOST OF THE ORGANIZATIONS I'VE BEEN IN HAVE OFTEN HAD BYLAWS, SO RULES OF PROCEDURE ARE A BIT NEW TO ME. BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO, LIKE FOR BYLAWS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S LIKE THE METHOD AND TIMING OF OFFICER ELECTIONS, TERMS OF OFFICERS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SOME OF THAT, WHILE IT IS ESTABLISHED IN VIRGINIA LAW, SOME OF IT IS DECIDED BY THE BOARD ITSELF THROUGH THAT DOCUMENT. WHEREAS WITH A RULES OF PROCEDURE THAT TYPICALLY IS LIKE OUR ORDER OF BUSINESS, PUBLIC COMMENT RULES, THINGS LIKE THAT, IS THERE ANY DOWNSIDE TO HAVING THEM BEING BOTH, CONSIDERING BYLAWS TYPICALLY HAVE SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THIS DOCUMENT AND OTHERS HAVE OTHER PARTS OF IT, MIGHT HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED RULES OF PROCEDURE? I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THANK YOU. SO USING THE TERM BYLAWS SOMETIMES CAN CONNOTE. THAT IT'S A VERY SPECIFIC TYPE OF DOCUMENT THAT HAS SOME SORT OF LEGAL ENFORCEMENT TO IT, THE WORD, YOU KNOW, LAW BEING IN BYLAW. THESE ARE, I WOULD SAY MORE, AND I WANT TO SAY FLEXIBLE. BECAUSE CERTAINLY AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE BOARD COULD SET ASIDE THE BYLAWS OR RULES OF PROCEDURE. IN TERMS OF LEGAL EFFECT, THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT THAN, LET'S SAY, AN ORDINANCE OR A STATE CODE.

AND AND SO IN AN EFFORT TO SORT OF CALL IT EXACTLY WHAT IT IS, THE RULES OF THE PROCEDURES THAT THIS BOARD IS EXPECTED TO FOLLOW. TO SORT OF EDUCATE AND GET OUT TO OUR CITIZENS, HERE'S WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT WHEN YOU COME TO OUR MEETINGS. AND SO I THINK IT'S JUST MORE OF A CLARIFYING TERM.

BUT AGAIN, CERTAINLY I UNDERSTAND THAT A LOT OF CITIZENS ARE USED TO HEARING

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IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD.

THE KEY COMPONENT IS TO IT, EVERYBODY LIVES BY IT AND FOLLOWS IT. IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU GET KICKED TO THE CURB, YOU KNOW, AS A CONVENIENCE. MY ONLY QUESTION ON THIS ENTIRE DOCUMENT, WHICH A LOT OF ITS STUFF, IS STILL THE SAME AS IT WAS IN THE OTHER BYLAWS. I'M GOING TO CALL IT BYLAWS. I KNOW YOU'RE CALLING SOMETHING DIFFERENT NOW. IS THE LAST STATEMENT. AND I'D ASK THIS QUESTION AT ONE OF THE OTHER MEETINGS. LET ME GET TO IT. I'VE GOT TO SCROLL THROUGH IT. FAILURE, HOWEVER, OF THE BOARD TO COMPLY WITH ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER SHALL NOT INVALIDATE ANY ACTION TAKEN BY THE BOARD. THAT, TO ME, IS KIND OF OPEN-ENDED. I MEAN, IF WE'RE COMMITTED TO IT, WE'LL MAKE A MISTAKE. A MISTAKE IS ONE THING. BUT WHAT IS THE RAMIFICATION AND WHAT HAPPENS? SAY, IF WE DO SOMETHING OUT OF ORDER AND IT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT BACK. REMEMBER, I ASKED THE QUESTION ONE TIME BEFORE, IF IT'S A TWO-TO-TWO, OR IF IT'S A TIE VOTE, IS IT AUTOMATICALLY GOING TO COME BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING WHEN THE FULL BOARD IS PRESENT? BECAUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

WE'VE ALWAYS HANDLED IT THAT WAY. IF WE DON'T HAVE THE FULL BOARD AND IT'S A TWO-TO-TWO TIE, IT AUTOMATICALLY REVERTS.

REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT IS, TO THE VERY NEXT MEETING WHEN THE FULL BOARD IS PRESENT. BECAUSE ANY ONE OF US COULD BE ABSENT, AND IT COULD VERY WELL BE A 2-2 TIE.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE THAT. YES, MR. WEBB, IF I COULD JUST ADD AN ADDITIONAL COMMENT.

OBVIOUSLY, THE BOARD IS STILL GOVERNED BY STATE CODES AS WELL. SO THERE MAY BE ACTIONS THE BOARD DOESN'T FOLLOW APPROPRIATELY, THAT DON'T FOLLOW THE STATE CODE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY INVALIDATE AN ACTION. BUT THE PRIOR RULES AND THE CURRENT RULES ALSO SAY THAT THE BOARD INTENDS TO GENERALLY FOLLOW ROBERT'S RULES, NOT STRICTLY.

AND SO THAT TERM WE LEFT IN THERE.

TO GIVE THE BOARD FLEXIBILITY TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT DON'T ALWAYS COMPORT WITH ROBERT'S RULES, AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE INTENT IN ADDING THAT PARTICULAR SECTION, SIR.

ANYTHING ELSE? I'LL CLOSE WITH THIS. IF IT'S DONE IN IGNORANCE, THAT'S ONE THING. I'D HATE TO THINK WE'D EVER GET IN A SITUATION WHERE WE DID SOMETHING PURPOSELY. KNOWING WHAT ROAD WE WERE GOING DOWN, WE DID IT ANYWAY. IT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK FOR THE BOARD. MR. FORD-PUGH? I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY CONCERNS. ALL OF THE TOPICS THAT I RAISED IN THE ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING ARE COVERED BY THESE RULES OF PROCEDURE. SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD. THOUGHTS ON MR. WEBB'S COMMENTS ABOUT TWO-TO-TWO TASKS? THE ONE THING I WOULD COMMENT ON THAT, AND MR. WEBB, YOU MAY.

YOU MAY WELL HAVE A POINT THAT IT'D BE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD ADD, BUT THE IDEA BEHIND THE 2-2, I BELIEVE, OF COURSE, GENERALLY FOLLOWING ROBERT'S RULES, BUT IN ROBERT'S RULES, A 2-2 TIE WOULD, THE MOTION WOULD DIE, CORRECT, MS. PASTOR? YES, IF THERE AREN'T SUFFICIENT VOTES TO PASS, THEN IT NATURALLY DOES NOT, YES. THE THOUGHT WOULD BE, IN MY OPINION, NOTHING SHOULD GO ON AN AGENDA FOR THE BOARD, THAT THE BOARD HASN'T MADE A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO PUT SOMETHING ON. I THINK WE SAW A SITUATION AT THE END OF THIS LAST YEAR WITH THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. IT WAS A 2-2 VOTE FOR THE REASONS THAT THERE WERE.

AND I THINK, IN MY OPINION, AT THE TIME, I WAS A CITIZEN SITTING ON THE BACKGROUND, AND ONCE WE GOT TO A CERTAIN POINT, IT SEEMED LIKE THE MONEY WAS OFF THE TABLE. AND SO WE JUST KEPT ADDING IT TO THE NEXT MEETING BECAUSE THE BYLAWS SAID WE HAD TO ADD IT TO THE NEXT MEETING. AND UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK. WE FOUND OUT AT THE JANUARY 13TH MEETING, OUR FIRST BUSINESS MEETING AFTER THE ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING, THAT THE MONEY WAS ACTUALLY, IN FACT, WAS STILL ON THE TABLE THE ENTIRE TIME.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT WAS NECESSARILY COMMUNICATED REALLY WELL TO THE PUBLIC. AND SO IF WE HAD ANOTHER SITUATION IN THE FUTURE WHERE YOU HAD A 2-2 AND SOMETHING DIED BECAUSE OF IT, I'D LIKE TO THINK WE COULD MAKE A CONSCIOUS EFFORT, THE MONEY'S STILL ON THE TABLE, SO WE'RE GOING TO ADD IT BACK. BECAUSE OTHERWISE, IF IT WOULD HAVE DIED

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AT LEAST SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TAKE AN INFORMAL. POLLING TO GET THE CONSENSUS ON WHERE YOU'RE AT, AND THEN YOU TAKE THE 3-2 OUT OF THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE UNANIMOUS. YES, I THINK. THE THOUGHT BEHIND THAT, THOUGH, IS IT'S AN INTENTIONAL REASON TO ADD SOMETHING TO THE AGENDA AGAIN, NOT JUST BEING AUTOMATICALLY FORWARDED TO THE NEXT ONE. ANYTHING AFTER 11 O'CLOCK, WHEN IT'S POSTED, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE DEADLINE IS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO, SIR. ALL RIGHT, MR. HAMLIN, I'LL THROW IT TO YOU FOR A MOTION AND WITH YOUR NAME CHANGE. YES, SIR. MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE BYLAWS AS WRITTEN, WITH THE CHANGE OF HAVING THE TITLE REMAIN, BYLAWS AND RULES OF PROCEDURE. AND TO MAKE ANY CHANGES WITHIN THE DOCUMENT TO ENSURE WE REFER IT THE SAME THROUGHOUT, JUST FOR CONSISTENCY. YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND.

FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MR. HAMILL? YES. MR. PHILLIP PUGH? YES. MR. COX? YES. MR. WEBB? YES. MR. FORD PUGH? YES. OKAY. NEXT ITEM IS THE SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS. MS. PASTOR? YES. THE DOCUMENT BEFORE YOU, GENTLEMEN AND MADAM, THIS IS A RESOLUTION.

IT WAS PROPOSED SEVERAL WEEKS AGO. I WAS GIVEN DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD TO MAKE THE ADDITIONAL INCLUSIONS.

OF SOME SUGGESTIONS FROM CITIZENS. SO THOSE INCLUSIONS WERE ADDED. I'M SORRY, THAT LANGUAGE WAS ADDED AND IS NOW INCLUDED. AND THEN THERE WAS TWO GRAMMATICAL ERRORS AS WELL. SO THAT IS WHAT IS BEFORE THE BOARD TONIGHT.

AGAIN, JUST FOR THE PRESENTATION OF THE BOARD, I UNDERSTAND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD AND A LOT OF CITIZENS ARE VERY INTERESTED IN. I'M HOPING THAT IT WILL PASS WITHOUT ANY FURTHER, OBVIOUSLY, COMMENTS. BUT I THINK ALL COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED AND TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ THE RESOLUTION? I CAN, YES, SIR. PLEASE. THE RESOLUTION OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

WHEREAS THE SECOND AMENDMENT OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION READS, A WELL-REGULATED MILITIA, BEING NECESSARY TO THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

AND WHEREAS ARTICLE I, SECTION 13 OF THE CONSTITUTION OF VIRGINIA PROVIDES THAT, A WELL-REGULATED MILITIA, COMPOSED OF THE BODY OF THE PEOPLE TRAINED TO ARMS, IS THE PROPER, NATURAL, AND SAFE DEFENSE OF A FREE STATE. THEREFORE, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. THAT STANDING ARMIES IN TIME OF PEACE SHOULD BE AVOIDED AS DANGERS TO LIBERTY, AND THAT, IN ALL CASES, THE MILITARY SHOULD BE UNDER STRICT SUBORDINATION TO AND GOVERNED BY THE CIVIL POWER. AND WHEREAS CERTAIN LEGISLATION THAT MAY BE INTRODUCED IN THIS 2026 SESSION OF THE VIRGINIA GENERAL ASSEMBLY, AND CERTAIN LEGISLATION THAT MAY BE INTRODUCED IN THE CURRENT SESSION OF THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS, WHICH COULD HAVE THE EFFECT OF INFRINGING ON THE RIGHTS OF LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. AS GUARANTEED BY THE SECOND AMENDMENT OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, AND WHEREAS THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE PASSAGE OF ANY BILL CONTAINING LANGUAGE WHICH UNCONSTITUTIONALLY INFRINGES UPON THE SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS OF ALL CITIZENS OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY, AND WHEREAS THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WISHES TO EXPRESS ITS DEEP COMMITMENT TO THE RIGHTS OF ALL CITIZENS OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, AND WHEREAS THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WISHES TO EXPRESS OPPOSITION TO ANY LAW THAT WOULD UNCONSTITUTIONALLY RESTRICT THE RIGHTS UNDER THE SECOND AMENDMENT OF THE CITIZENS OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY TO BEAR ARMS, AND WHEREAS THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WISHES TO EXPRESS ITS INTENT TO STAND AS A SANCTUARY COUNTY FOR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS.

AND TO OPPOSE, WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE CONSTITUTIONS OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA, ANY EFFORTS TO UNCONSTITUTIONALLY RESTRICT SUCH RIGHTS AND TO USE SUCH LEGAL MEANS AT ITS DISPOSAL TO PROTECT THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS OF THE CITIZENS TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, INCLUDING THROUGH LEGAL ACTION, THE POWER OF APPROPRIATION OF PUBLIC FUNDS, AND THE RIGHT

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EVERYBODY'S HEARD THE RESOLUTION. ANY QUESTIONS, ANY COMMENTS? HEARING NONE, I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE. SO MOVED. SECOND.

MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.

FURTHER DISCUSSION? MR. WEBB MADE A MOTION. MR. HAMILL, SECOND. OKAY. ARE YOU HEARING NO OTHER COMMENTS? ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MR. PHILLIP PUGH? YES. MR. COX? YES. MR. WEBB? YES. MR. FORD PUGH? YES. MR. HAMILL? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

TAKE A BREAK NOW. IT WAS A LOT

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THERE IS A RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU TONIGHT TO AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THIS EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. ONCE THIS IS SIGNED, MR. KINGSBURY IS SLATED TO BEGIN HIS EMPLOYMENT NEXT WEEK. OKAY, NOW WE HEAR THE RATIONALE. ANY DISCUSSION ON IT? MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A FEW COMMENTS ON THIS, IF I WOULD. YES, SIR.

MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF OUR BOARD, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS, AND I HAVE, THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, EXPRESSED RESERVATIONS. THIS PROCESS STARTED BEFORE THIS BOARD WAS SEATED.

THE JOB DESCRIPTION WAS WRITTEN BEFORE THIS BOARD WAS SEATED.

THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT I'VE GOT CONCERNS WITH IN THE WAY THAT WAS WRITTEN.

THERE WERE SOME THINGS, MAYBE I THINK WE LEFT OUT, MAYBE SOME THINGS WE WOULD HAVE WORDED DIFFERENTLY IF IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BY THIS BOARD.

NATURALLY, WHEN YOU PUT OUT A REC FOR FOLKS TO APPLY TO, NATURALLY, SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE GETS INTO THE CONTRACT, WHICH MEANS NOW I CONTINUE TO HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT HOW THIS CONTRACT'S DONE. I'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM CITIZENS.

ABOUT HOW THIS WAS POSTED, AND I THINK WE'VE HEARD SOME COMMENTS TONIGHT ABOUT THAT.

THERE'S DEBATE ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN POST A CONTRACT LIKE THIS, AND I REALLY HAVE A HARD TIME, AS MUCH AS WE'VE BEEN HAVING CLOSED SESSIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THEN TO HAVE A CONTRACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC, IT JUST ADDS MORE RESERVATIONS FOR ME, SIR. AND SO, AT LEAST AS I SIT HERE NOW, I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS AS IT'S PRESENTED. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITIZENS HEARD THAT RATIONALE BEFORE I VOTED AWAY, THAT I WILL, SIR. SO THAT'S MY COMMENTS. OKAY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT HERE, NONE. I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION IN THE DIRECTION Y'ALL WANT TO GO. SURE, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IS WRITTEN. OKAY, I HAVE MOTION TO APPROVE TO HAVE A SECOND. I'LL SECOND HAVE A SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING ON ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

MR. COX? YES. MR. WEBB? YES.

MR. FORD-PUGH? YES. MR. HAMILL? NO. MR. PHILLIP-PUGH? NO. OKAY, MOTION CARRIED, 3-2.

ALRIGHT, AND JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S INFORMATION NOW, WE DO HAVE A CONTRACT. PRIOR TO THIS MOTION HERE, WE DID NOT, SO THAT'S WHY NOTHING HAS BEEN POSTED. ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE TO. THE NEXT THING IS A RESOLUTION

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WHEN THE COUNTY ISSUES TAX-EXEMPT DEBT, THERE ARE GUIDELINES AND RESTRICTIONS THAT GOVERN THOSE DEBT ISSUANCES, AND IF WE DO NOT EXPEND THOSE FUNDS FOR FULLY BY CERTAIN TIMELINES, WE ARE SUBJECT TO IRS, YIELD RESTRICTIONS AND OR REBATES OR FEES RELATED TO THOSE DEBT ISSUANCES. TWO DEBT ISSUANCES HAVE BEEN OUT LONGER THAN THE REQUIRED TIMELINE. WE HAVE NOT FULLY EXPENDED THOSE DEBT ISSUANCES.

SERIES 2019 WAS RELATED, WAS PART OF A LARGER BORROWING. THAT RELATED TO CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW STATION FIVE ORIGINALLY.

THAT PROJECT WAS HALTED DUE TO COST CONCERNS, AND WE HAVE SINCE AMASSED THOSE FUNDS IN A CAPITAL FUND AND HAVE EXPENDED THEM IN PART ON OTHER FIRE AND EMS FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS, BUT A BALANCE DOES REMAIN. THE INTENT IS LIKELY TO USE THOSE FUNDS TO IMPROVE OR BUILD A NEW STATION. SIX.

THERE IS A STUDY CURRENTLY UNDERWAY, WHICH I BELIEVE CHIEF CACERES WILL BRING YOU IN MARCH. AND THE OTHER SERIES RELATES TO STORMWATER PROCEEDS. WHEN WE HAD A STORMWATER PROGRAM, THAT PROGRAM HAS SINCE BEEN DISCONTINUED. WE DID A BORROWING EVERY FIVE YEARS TO COMPLETE A VARIETY OF STORMWATER RESTORATION PROJECTS. AND THOSE PROJECTS MOVE VERY SLOWLY AND ARE HELD UP, SOMETIMES BY REGULATORY AGENCIES, FOR A WHILE. SO, AGAIN, THERE ARE SOME FUNDS STILL ON HAND. WE DID A REFUNDING IN 2020 TO GET VERY, VERY GOOD INTEREST RATES. WE SAVED MILLIONS IN PLANNED INTEREST REPAYMENTS OVER THE COURSE OF THE LIVES OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT BOND ISSUANCES. AND SINCE THAT TIME, INTEREST RATES HAVE SPIKED.

AND OUR EARNINGS ON THOSE BOND PROCEEDS HAVE EXCEEDED THE INTEREST RATE THAT WE REPAY IN DEBT PAYMENT. SO WE ARE SUBJECT TO A PENALTY AND AN ARBITRAGE REBATE, AND IT IS A PRETTY HEFTY ONE.

IT TOTALS $647,829. WE ARE REQUESTING FOR AN APPROPRIATION TODAY, NOT ONLY TO COVER THE I.R.S YIELD RESTRICTION AND ARBITRAGE REBATE, BUT A FEE FOR THE COMPANY THAT ASSISTS US IN DOING THIS COMPLIANCE REVIEW CALCULATION. WE DID INTENTIONALLY KEEP INTEREST EARNINGS ON THOSE TWO SERIES IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THIS BECAUSE WE FIGURED THEY WERE COMING. SO WE DO HAVE A SUFFICIENT BALANCE THAT EXCEEDS THAT, THOSE FEES, AND THIS PENALTY. SO WE ARE ASKING THE BOARD TONIGHT TO APPROPRIATE A TOTAL OF $647,829.12 THAT IS CURRENTLY ON HAND IN OUR CIP, OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND, TO ADDRESS THE YIELD RESTRICTION.

AND THE REBATE ARBITRAGE AND TO COVER THE CALCULATION FEE THAT BINGHAM PROVIDED FOR THIS COMPLIANCE REVIEW. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS, MS. DRURY? GOOD QUESTION.

IN THE HOLDING ACCOUNT, IT SAYS 2.5 AND SOME CHANGE.

IS THAT WHAT'S LEFT OVER FROM THE BARRING STATION 5? YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. MS. DRURY? WE TALK ABOUT IF IT'S LIKE WITHIN THE THREE YEARS SPECIFIED.

IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE I KNOW WITH THIS, I BELIEVE THE 647 IS A CHECK WE SEND BACK TO THE IRS FOR THE INTEREST.

IN THE FUTURE, ARE WE ABLE TO SPEND THAT INTEREST ON THINGS RELATED TO THE MONEY THAT WAS IN THERE? YES. IF WE EXPEND ALL OF THOSE BOND PROCEEDS WITHIN THAT TIMELINE, YES, WE CAN APPROPRIATE THOSE INTEREST EARNINGS TO ADDRESS RELATED COSTS. BUT IF THE BOND WASN'T NECESSARILY SPENT? THEN WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT WITH THE INTEREST.

CORRECT. OKAY. THAT CLEARS IT UP FOR ME. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. I'LL WAIT FOR Y'ALL'S DECISION. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. SO MOVED.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR MR. WEBB? DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND FOR MR. PHILIP PUGH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MR. COX? YES.

MR. PHILIP PUGH? YES. MR. HAMILL? YES. MR. FORD PUGH? YES. MR. WEBB? YES. THANK YOU.

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SO THIS STEMS FROM AN INCIDENT INVOLVING ONE OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS WAS RESPONDING TO A CALL INTENSELY CHARTER.

UNFORTUNATELY, HIS VEHICLE MADE CONTACT WITH THE FENCE THAT'S JUST OUTSIDE THEIR ENTRANCE, WHICH DID CAUSE SOME DAMAGE.

WE RECEIVED AN ESTIMATE FROM A CONTRACTOR THAT THEY USED IN HOPES TO REPAIR THE FENCE. IT'S ABOUT A 750. IT IS $750. NOT ABOUT IT IS. WE ARE ASKING PERMISSION FROM THE BOARD TO ENGAGE IN A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WITH TINSLEY CHARTER. THAT WOULD RESOLVE ANY FURTHER DISPUTES. OR CLAIMS AGAINST ANY FURTHER PROPERTY DAMAGE, AGAIN, OR ADDITIONAL CLAIMS TO THE COUNTY AND AUTHORITY TO REIMBURSE THEM. SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE SETTLEMENT. I BELIEVE MAJOR NICHOLAS IS HERE IF THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE INCIDENT ITSELF, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M AWARE OF, SIR. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? MS. PASTOR. AS A NEWER MEMBER OF THE BOARD, I'M GETTING MY HEAD WRAPPED AROUND SOME OF THESE THINGS.

AND SO THIS SORT OF SETTLEMENT, WHAT IS THE REASON WHY WE WOULD GO FOR IT? SETTLEMENT VERSUS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE INSURANCE JUST BECAUSE OF THE THRESHOLD OF THE COST, NOT REALLY MEETING A MINIMUM, OR? I BELIEVE IT WOULD COST MORE TO GO THROUGH INSURANCE.

IT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL CLAIM, GIVEN THE, I'D SAY, PRETTY LOW VALUE OF THE PROPERTY DAMAGE. WE FELT IT WAS MORE PRUDENT TO BRING BEFORE THE BOARD TO JUST ISSUE A STRAIGHT REFUND TO THEM. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED. I HAVE A MOTION. MR. PHILIP PUGH, I HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. SECOND BY MR. FORD PUGH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MR. PHILLIP PUGH? YES. MR. HAMILL? YES.

MR. FORD PUGH? YES. MR. WEBB? YES. MR. COX? YES. ALL RIGHT, NEXT ITEM IS DISCUSSION OF ADDING A JOINT WORK SESSION WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD TO THE MEETING SCHEDULED FOR FEBRUARY THE 18TH. MS. PUDLOW. GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. CHAIRMAN COX, VICE CHAIR, PUGH. MS. PASTOR, WE HAD A REQUEST, A BOARD MEMBER REQUESTED A JOINT WORK SESSION BETWEEN THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD.

WORKING WITH THE STAFF OF BOTH THE COUNTY AND THE SCHOOL BOARD, FEBRUARY 18TH AT 6 P.M.

WAS THE DATE PROPOSED? THAT POTENTIALLY COULD WORK FOR BOTH. SO, AT YOUR DISCRETION, AS FAR AS WHETHER YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER APPROVING THAT THIS EVENING. OKAY, QUESTIONS? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

YES, SIR. ARE WE GOING TO BE PROVIDED AN AGENDA PRIOR TO? THEY'LL BE WORKING. WE DON'T SPEAK TO MS. BUDLOW. YES.

RIGHT AFTER THIS MEETING, AS SOON AS THE BOARD, AGAIN, DEPENDING ON IF THE BOARD APPROVES, I'LL BE SENDING OUT AN EMAIL TO OUR BOARD ASKING FOR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE AGENDA. WE'LL BE WORKING WITH MS. KNOTT TO PUBLISH THAT BY THE 11TH.

SO KIND OF BE A QUICK TURNAROUND THERE.

BUT WE HAVE ASKED THE SCHOOL BOARD TO DO THE SAME, SIR.

GOOD. MS. TAM. THANK YOU. THE CLARIFICATION. SIR, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD THE FEBRUARY 18TH DATE AS A JOINT WORK SESSION WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD AS PRESENTED. I HAVE A MOTION BY MR. HAMILL. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND BY MR. WEBB. FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MR. HAMILL? YES. MR. FORD-PUGH? YES. MR. WEBB? YES. MR. COX? YES. MR. PHILLIP-PUGH? YES. ALL RIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, RESOLUTION AUTHORITY TO ADVERTISE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR LEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY, VIRGINIA AND THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY REGIONAL HERITAGE CENTER. MS. PASTOR. YES, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD.

PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY HAS ENGAGED IN A LEASE WITH THE HERITAGE CENTER. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. THEY LEASE CERTAIN PROPERTY FROM US IN ORDER TO OPERATE CLOSE BY. SO I HAVE ATTACHED AND PRESENTED A SAMPLE OF THE LEASE AS IT WAS AND WOULD BE UPDATED. BECAUSE THIS REQUIRES HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING TO BE BROUGHT BEFORE THE BOARD TO INCLUDE PUBLIC COMMENT, I'M SEEKING PERMISSION TODAY TO GO AHEAD AND GET THAT PUBLIC NOTICE OUT. SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THIS ON OUR FEBRUARY 24TH AGENDA FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER WHETHER THEY WANT TO RENEW THE LEASE OR NOT. ALL RIGHT, Y'ALL HEARD THE RATIONALE. DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED. MR. CHAIR, I'M NOT SURE. WAS THE LEASE AGREEMENT POSTED ON BOARDDOCS? I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAD WAS A RESOLUTION. OH, I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT IT HAD BEEN POSTED UP THERE. I DO APOLOGIZE IF I MISSPOKE. IT WILL ABSOLUTELY IF... AUTHORIZED BY THE BOARD, BE POSTED FOR THE FEBRUARY 24TH HEARING.

SO I APOLOGIZE IF IT WAS NOT POSTED AHEAD OF TIME, BUT IT ABSOLUTELY WILL BE BEFORE THE FEBRUARY 24TH MEETING. SO WE'LL BE ABLE

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YES, ABSOLUTELY, SIR. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, SIR. MR. PUGH. I MAKE A MOTION TO PUBLICLY ADVERTISE. I GOT A MOTION BY MR. PHILLIP PUGH. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND BY MR. HAMILL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING UNROLLED CALL, PLEASE. MR. FORD PUGH.

YES. MR. WEBB? YES. MR. COX? YES. MR. PHILLIP HUGH? YES.

MR. HAMILL? YES. THANK YOU.

NEXT ITEM IS RESOLUTION FOR ONE APPOINTMENT TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY. MR. CHAIR, I MAKE A MOTION WE APPOINT DONALD HUNTER TO THAT BOARD. ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ROLL CALL. MR. WEBB? YES. MR. COX? YES. MR. HAMILL? YES. MR. PHILLIP PUGH? YES. MR. FORD PUGH? YES.

OKAY, WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE

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OVER THE PAST MONTH, WE'VE BEEN FOCUSED ON OUR EFFORTS, ON RECENT STORMS. OUR CREWS HAVE BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD TO KEEP OUR ROADS CLEAR AND SAFE DURING THE STORMS. AND I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE HERE FOR THEIR PATIENCE DURING THAT TIME. WHILE WE WERE ABLE TO MAINTAIN MOBILITY, THE STORM DID DELAY SOME OF OUR EFFORTS TO ADDRESS WORK ORDERS. NOW THAT THE WEATHER HAS IMPROVED, WE ARE SHIFTING OUR EFFORTS TO RECOVERY. AND RIGHT NOW, OUR PRIORITIES ARE ADDRESSING PAVEMENT DAMAGES CAUSED BY THE STORM, CLEARING DOWN LIMBS AND CATCHING UP ON MAINTENANCE TASKS THAT WERE POSTPONED DURING THE STORM.

WE'RE WORKING VERY HARD TO GET BACK ON TRACK FOR YOUR RESIDENTS. I ALSO WANT TO GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE ON SOME OF THE KEY PROJECTS IN THE COUNTY. UPC 111704, WHICH IS THE ROUNDABOUT ON MIDDLE ROAD AND JEFFERSON PARK. THE CONSTRUCTION IS EXPECTED TO START MIDDLE TO LATE SUMMER OF 2026. UPC 123762, THE ROUNDABOUT AT MIDDLE ROAD AND PRINCE GEORGE. UH, DRIVE. THAT CONSTRUCTION IS EXPECTED TO START MIDDLE TO LATE SUMMER OF 2028. UPC 115 413 AND THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS ON ROUTE 460 AND QUEEN STREET.

THAT STRUCTURE CONSTRUCTION IS EXPECTED TO START THIS YEAR SPRING. AND THEN, LASTLY, UPC 127953, WHICH IS THE PLANT MIX THAT I SAID IN THE REPORT FOR THE TWO-WEEK LOOK AHEAD THAT STARTED YESTERDAY ON ROUTE 460. THESE PROJECTS ARE PART OF OUR ONGOING COMMITMENT TO IMPROVING SAFETY AND MOBILITY FOR THE RESIDENTS AND YOUR VISITORS.

BEFORE I WRAP UP, I WANT TO MENTION THAT WE ARE REALLY EXCITED AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE CITIZEN ACADEMY EVENT LATER THIS MONTH. IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO CONNECT WITH YOUR RESIDENTS, ANSWER QUESTIONS, AND SHARE MORE ABOUT WHAT VDOT DOES FOR YOUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR PARTNERSHIP, AND I'M READY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS, CONCERNS? I'M SURE I'LL BE SENDING SOME EMAILS HERE SOON ABOUT POTHOLES. I KNOW IT'S BEEN TOO COLD TO FIX A LOT OF THEM, SO WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING Y'ALL HAVE BEEN DOING. SIR, THANK YOU. I'LL GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOU MINE INSTEAD OF SENDING AN EMAIL. GOLF COURSE DRIVE. WE'VE GOT A COUPLE HOLES THAT HAVE MATERIALIZED FROM OUR ILLUSTRIOUS, BEAUTIFUL WEATHER WE'VE HAD.

SO IF Y'ALL COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. AND I APOLOGIZE.

FOR BEING SO LATE TONIGHT, WE HAD MADE A SHIFT, TRIED TO KEEP EVERYTHING TOGETHER, AND THEN WE AMENDED THE AGENDA.

SO NORMALLY, YOU'LL BE AT THE BEGINNING. ANYTHING ELSE? I'VE HAD A RESIDENT REACH OUT ASKING WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET THE REMAINDER OF A SECONDARY ROAD ADDED TO THE SECONDARY ROAD SYSTEM.

SO I'LL SEND YOU SOME EMAILS.

SURE. YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

ANYTHING ELSE? I'M SURE YOU'LL FIND THE POTHOLES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF COUNTY POLAR AND ROAD, AND ALL FROM THE ICE AND THE SCRAPERS.

IT IS OFF AND WET. ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S IT. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. NICE MEETING YOU.

ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM, QUARTERLY FINANCIAL REPORT FOR QUARTER ENDING DECEMBER 31ST, 2025. MS. DRURY. YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MR.

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READY FOR YOU? READY FOR WHAT? READY FOR THAT.

GOTTA PEDAL FASTER. THE MICE.

RACHEL, OVER HERE. PULL THEM ALL, YOU'LL FIND OUT. I'LL PULL THEM ALL, WE WON'T BE OUT HERE.

OKAY, THE FIRST SLIDE SHOWS AN IMAGE OF OUR GENERAL FUND REVENUES FOR THE QUARTER ENDED DECEMBER 31ST, WHICH IS THE MIDPOINT OF OUR FISCAL YEAR, WHICH STARTS ON JULY 1. WE ARE VERY SIMILARLY POSITIONED TO WHERE WE WERE THIS SAME TIME LAST YEAR. OUR GENERAL FUND REVENUE COLLECTIONS NET OF OUR FUND BALANCE APPROPRIATIONS, WHICH IS REALLY NOT A TRUE, TRUE REVENUE SOURCE, OR 42.5 COMPARED TO 42 IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR AND 42.45 IN DECEMBER OF 2023. YOUR FUND BALANCE USE, JUST TO REMIND THE BOARD OF THE FUND BALANCE AMOUNT.

FROM THE FY25 AUDIT, IT STOOD AT 51.5 PERCENT, OR 51.5 MILLION, I'M SORRY, ABOUT 36 PERCENT OF FY25 EXPENDITURES TO DATE. THE BOARD HAS REAPPROPRIATED FUND BALANCE THAT RELATED TO GRANTS AND DONATIONS WHICH SPAN MULTIPLE FISCAL YEARS, OUR PURCHASE ORDERS, BOTH COUNTY AND SCHOOLS. THE SCHOOL DIVISION HAS ASKED FOR A PORTION OF THEIR CONTRIBUTION TO FUND BALANCE FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, WHICH WAS APPROVED IN SEPTEMBER. THE BOARD APPROPRIATED $1.1 MILLION FOR REPLACEMENT OF A ROOF AT THE CENTRAL WELLNESS CENTER. OH, I'M SORRY, THAT'S PARKS AND RECREATION.

SHOULD NOT BE CENTRAL WELLNESS CENTER, PARKS AND RECREATION BUILDING.

AND THEN ALSO TO PROVIDE SOME LOCAL MATCH DOLLARS TO PURCHASE VEHICLE AND EQUIPMENT FOR THREE ADDITIONAL POSITIONS, SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS, AND TO RETURN AN AMOUNT TO THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH THAT THEY SENT TO US IN ERROR. SO, OUR FUND BALANCE, ESTIMATED FUND BALANCE AS OF DECEMBER 31ST WAS $48.2 MILLION, WHICH REPRESENTS ABOUT 29.8% OF YOUR FY26 BUDGETED EXPENDITURES. THE SCHOOL DIVISION WILL VERY LIKELY REQUEST THEIR REMAINING CARRYOVER BALANCE OF $1.8 MILLION OR THEIR CONTRIBUTION TO FUND BALANCE FROM FY25.

IN FACT, I RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM MR. BARNES, OF THE SCHOOL DIVISION TODAY, ASKING ME TO PUT A PLACEHOLDER ON YOUR MARCH 10TH AGENDA. I TOLD HIM THAT MAY BE A TOPIC.

AT THE JOINT MEETING NEXT WEEK, IF THE JOINT MEETING WAS APPROVED. SO HE WAS SATISFIED WITH THAT. I WILL MENTION THAT IF THAT ENTIRE AMOUNT IS REQUESTED, IT WILL NECESSITATE A PUBLIC HEARING.

TO APPROPRIATE THAT AMOUNT, WHICH EXCEEDS 1% OF YOUR CURRENT YEAR COUNTY BUDGET, NECESSITATES A PUBLIC HEARING.

WE TRADITIONALLY HAVE TO ADVERTISE NOW FOR THOSE TWICE. SO TYPICALLY WE ASK FOR AUTHORITY TO ADVERTISE THAT PUBLIC HEARING.

AND A MONTH LATER. WE HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING AND YOU APPROVE THEIR APPROPRIATION IF YOU CHOOSE. SOME NOTEWORTHY ITEMS WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND, WE DID MEET THE 50% OR MAKE THE 50% MARK OF REAL ESTATE TAX REVENUES, WHICH IS A GOOD INDICATOR THAT WE WILL MEET OUR BUDGET TARGET.

THERE ARE ADJUSTMENTS STILL ONGOING IN THE REAL ESTATE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE, AND, OF COURSE, NEW CONSTRUCTION IS UNDERWAY.

PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX REVENUES, OF COURSE, ARE NOT DUE UNTIL JUNE, SO WE KIND OF FLY BLIND. WE ARE TRYING TO ESTIMATE WHAT WE WILL COLLECT IN FY27 VERY SOON, WHEN WE DON'T EVEN REALLY KNOW WHAT WE WILL COLLECT THIS YEAR. SO IT IS QUITE CHALLENGING TO BUDGET THAT REVENUE SOURCE.

SALES TAX REVENUES, WE ARE HEALTHIER THAN WE WERE THIS SAME TIME LAST YEAR. THEY DID TAKE A DIP LAST YEAR, HOWEVER, WE ARE ON TREND.

TO MEET OUR BUDGET PROJECTION.

AND A COUPLE OF OTHER NOTEWORTHY ITEMS. ON THIS FIRST SLIDE, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT PERMITS AND PLANNING FEES, WE MORE THAN

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EXPENDITURES. WE ARE AT 49.73, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHERE WE... ARE TRENDING, OR SHOULD TREND, TO BE AT THE MIDPOINT OF OUR FISCAL YEAR. THERE ARE SOME PINCH POINTS THAT WE WILL MENTION WHERE WE WILL LIKELY EXCEED OUR BUDGETED AMOUNT.

THOSE ARE FOR THIRD-PARTY SERVICES WITHIN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

HOPEFULLY THOSE WILL CALM DOWN, AND WE WILL, OF COURSE, HAVE A FULLY STAFFED COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. RIVERSIDE JAIL, WE ARE TRENDING TO EXCEED WHAT WE HAVE BUDGETED BECAUSE THE CENSUS IS UP. I HAVE A SLIDE THAT DISCUSSES THAT. AND THEN SOME CONTRACTED SERVICES WITHIN CDCC. I REALLY DON'T THINK HE WILL GO OVER BUDGET ON THAT.

AND, OF COURSE, HIS REVENUE IS QUITE HEALTHY.

SO IF WE NEED TO REQUEST A SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION, WE WILL BRING THAT TO YOU.

RIVERSIDE JAIL. WE MONITOR THESE EXPENDITURES PRETTY CAREFULLY, ESPECIALLY BEGINNING IN THE OCTOBER-NOVEMBER TIME FRAME.

WE TRACK WHAT OUR CENSUS IS.

YEAR OVER YEAR, MONTH BY MONTH, AND WE LOOK AT OUR EXPENDITURES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE APPROVED PER DIEM AT THE JAIL. WE DID RECEIVE OUR DECEMBER INVOICE AFTER THE PREPARATION OF THIS PRESENTATION, AND WE ARE ON TARGET TO OVERSPEND WHAT WE BUDGETED, FROM ANYWHERE BETWEEN $115,000 TO ABOUT $240,000. THAT IS MY BEST ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW. WE WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THAT. THIS WILL AFFECT US DURING THE FY2027 BUDGET. NOT ONLY IS OUR CENSUS HIGHER THAN IT HAS BEEN ON AVERAGE FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS, BUT THEY ARE CONSIDERING AN INCREASE IN THE PER DIEM AT THE RIVERSIDE JAIL. SO, JUST TO MENTION THAT AHEAD OF BUDGET DISCUSSIONS.

UTILITIES, THE BOARD IS AWARE THAT WE WILL OVERSPEND ONE AREA WITHIN THE UTILITIES OPERATING BUDGET, AND THAT IS OUR THIRD PARTY.

SERVICES TO HOPEWELL FOR SEWER, WHERE WE SEND SEWAGE. THAT RELATES TO A LONG-TIME METER READING ISSUE, BUT WE HAVE MADE A BUDGET TRANSFER FROM ANOTHER AREA WHERE WE WILL UNDERSPEND WITHIN THE UTILITY FUNDS TO COVER THAT PROJECTED DEFICIT FOR FY26. BUT AGAIN, WE ARE OPERATING AT A LOSS RIGHT NOW DUE TO THAT OVERAGE, PREDOMINANTLY. OVERALL, OUR NET POSITION IN THAT RED-CIRCLED AREA IS WHERE WE ARE MAKING THAT TRANSFER FROM. WE HAVE BUDGETED DEBT SERVICE THAT WE WILL NOT INCUR THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT COMPLETED A BORROWING FOR UTILITIES PROJECTS. WE DO NEED TO COMPLETE A BORROWING FOR THE RIVER ROAD TRANSMISSION MAIN, A PROJECT WHICH TOTALS ABOUT $11 MILLION, AND DEBT IS... DEBT SERVICE FUNDS IS THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR THAT, BUT WE HAVE A POSITIVE NET POSITION WITHIN THE UTILITY FUND. IT IS LESS THAN WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR, BUT POSITIVE. THIS IS A LISTING OF CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR THE COUNTY THAT REMAIN ONGOING, AND THOSE PURPLE-SHADED AREAS, MR. PUGH, ARE THOSE RELATED TO SERIES 2019, THOSE FUNDS THAT STILL REMAIN ON HAND FROM THAT SIX-YEAR-OLD BORROWING.

$2.5 MILLION TO ADDRESS, AND I THINK THE CHOSEN PROJECT WAS REPLACEMENT OF STATION 6.

CHIEF CACERES WILL BE BRINGING YOU A REPORT FROM A STUDY THAT IS CURRENTLY ONGOING SOON.

THERE ARE ALSO SOME OTHER FUNDS AVAILABLE FROM PROJECTS THAT REMAIN UNEXPENDED. CIRCUIT COURTROOM RENOVATIONS WERE UNDER BUDGET, SO $138,000 REMAINS IN THAT PROJECT. AND WE ARE OVER ON THE TEMPLE AVENUE TANK AND PUMP STATION DUE TO PAYMENTS FOR EASEMENTS. I WILL BE WORKING WITH MS. LUBKIN, WHEN I AM ASSURED THAT THOSE EASEMENTS ARE COMPLETE TO PROBABLY BRING AN APPROPRIATION FROM UTILITIES CASH RESERVES TO COVER THAT DEFICIT. THIS SLIDE KIND OF RECAPS WHAT I ALREADY SAID.

THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY LEFT IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY RADIO PROJECT. I WILL BE PROBABLY PUTTING SOMETHING ON YOUR CONSENT AGENDA TO APPROPRIATE THE BALANCE OF THOSE 2018 BOND PROCEEDS THAT REMAIN ON HAND, WITH ACCUMULATED INTEREST TO ADDRESS THE CURRENT YEAR L3 HARRIS MAINTENANCE CONTRACT. I

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THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR THE MAJORITY OF THESE ARE CARRYOVER FROM FY24 AND $700,000 FROM FY25. CARRYOVER THAT THE BOARD ALLOWED THEM TO RECEIVE AN APPROPRIATION FOR TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF TRAILER REPLACEMENT AND SOME WATER EROSION.

AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE UPDATES ON THIS, THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THE SCHOOL DIVISION COULD PROVIDE TO YOU NEXT WEEK AT YOUR JOINT MEETING. I THINK IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA.

ON THOSE PROJECTS. THE TOURISM FUND, OUR LODGING TAX IS HEALTHIER THAN IT WAS THE SAME TIME LAST YEAR, PRIMARILY DUE TO COMPLETION OF RENOVATIONS AT TWO COUNTY. HOTELS. THOSE CREATED A SLIGHT DIP IN REVENUES AND FY25. AND WE HAVE A POSITIVE REVENUE OVER EXPENDITURES FOR THE QUARTER ENDED.

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WE ARE VERY SIMILAR IN REVENUE COLLECTIONS TO WHERE WE WERE THIS TIME, SAME TIME LAST YEAR WITH MEALS TAX. WE DID BUDGET 100,000 MORE. OUR ACTUAL REVENUE FOR FY25 DOES EXCEED WHAT WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR THIS CURRENT YEAR. WE ARE IN A NEGATIVE NET POSITION BECAUSE OUR REVENUE, THE TIMING OF CERTAIN EXPENSES IS SOONER THAN OUR REVENUE COLLECTIONS MATERIALIZE.

PROFFERS, YOU HAVE A BALANCE.

AS OF DECEMBER 31ST, OF $184,632, WHICH IS AN INCREASE OF $62,000 FROM THE BALANCE ON JUNE 30TH OF 2025. THOSE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE FOR SPECIFIC USE IN THE AREAS OUTLINED HERE.

THEY ARE ALLOCATED BETWEEN THOSE UNLESS THEY ARE FOR CERTAIN DESIGNATED PROJECTS. THE BOARD HAS THE ABILITY TO USE THESE. PROFFER FUNDS IN LIEU OF BORROWING OR USE OF THE GENERAL FUND FOR CAPITAL NEEDS. THE COUNTY IS SELF-INSURED, WITH ANTHEM AS OUR CARRIER, AND OUR BALANCE IN OUR SELF-INSURED HEALTH INSURANCE FUND. AT DECEMBER 31ST WAS $1.2 MILLION, WHICH IS HIGHER THAN IT WAS LAST QUARTER, BUT LOWER THAN IT WAS.

DECEMBER 31ST OF 2024. 2025 FISCAL YEAR WAS A BAD CLAIMS YEAR. WE PAID OUT $462,000 MORE IN CLAIMS THAN WE CONTRIBUTED PREMIUMS TO THE FUND.

TO DATE, OUR CONTRIBUTIONS DO EXCEED CLAIMS BY $112,500, SO WE ARE HAVING A BETTER YEAR.

LOOKING AHEAD, OF COURSE, OUR FY 2025 AUDIT WAS COMPLETED. AND HAS BEEN POSTED TO OUR WEBPAGE. WE ARE STILL AWAITING PRINTED COPIES OF THAT DOCUMENT. IT WAS PRESENTED, A DRAFT OF THAT REPORT WAS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD ON DECEMBER 16TH.

OUR FY2027 BUDGET IS IN FULL SWING, AND OF COURSE, WE WILL ALWAYS CONTINUE TO MONITOR QUARTER THREE SPENDING AND REVENUES. WITH, AGAIN, THOSE PITCH POINTS WE MENTIONED EARLIER. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT BOARD MEMBERS MAY HAVE. QUESTION, MS. DRURY. BACK ON PAGE SIX, THE DEFICIT THAT WE ARE SHOWING FOR THE JAIL, THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE INCREASE IN PER DIEM? CORRECT. THAT IS A CURRENT YEAR DEFICIT, AND OUR PER DIEM WILL REMAIN AT $52 UNTIL JUNE 30TH. THE PER DIEM INCREASE WILL TAKE EFFECT JULY 1 OF 2026 IN OUR NEW FISCAL YEAR. SO IT WILL, NOT ONLY WILL WE HAVE TO BUDGET FOR A HIGHER PER DIEM AT THE JAIL BASED ON TREND, WE WILL HAVE TO HIRE BUDGET A HIGHER DAILY RATE FOR THOSE INMATES THAT WE ARE SENDING TO THE JAIL. ALL THE QUESTIONS.

THE NEXT SLIDE, THE UTILITY OVERAGE BECAUSE

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AND I BELIEVE, MR. HALTOM, IN THE BUDGET THAT HE PRESENTED, DID ADDRESS THAT WITH USER FEES. YES, SIR.

OKAY. SLIDE 13 THE REVENUE OVER EXPENDITURES, BECAUSE OF TIMING AND INVOICING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, DO WE EXPECT THAT TO EQUALIZE BEFORE THE END OF THE FISCAL PERIOD? YES.

CONTRIBUTIONS ARE MUCH LARGER IN FY25 THAN THEY WERE IN 24, AND THAT IS THE CHIEF CONTRIBUTOR TO THAT RED.

OKAY. YES. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. SURE. ANYBODY ELSE? SLIDE TWO, PAGE TWO. YEP. SO KIND OF LOOKING AT THE PERCENTAGE OF BUDGET AT EACH ONE OF THE POINTS OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, NOTICING THAT THINGS LIKE RECOVERED COSTS, CHARGES FOR SERVICES, THINGS LIKE THAT ARE DOWN, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE KIND OF CONTINUALLY GOING DOWN. ARE WE SEEING PRESSURES WHERE MAYBE IT'S EITHER USED BY CITIZENS FOR CERTAIN THINGS IS DECREASING, OR IS THIS STUFF KIND OF GOING ON LATER IN THE YEAR, WHERE WE'RE SEEING IT LATER ON? I THINK THERE ARE SOME, PERHAPS TIMING DIFFERENCES OF THE COLLECTIONS. I CAN CERTAINLY DIG FURTHER DOWN INTO THE CHARGES FOR SERVICES AND RECOVER COSTS AND GET YOU A BETTER ANSWER THAN THAT.

YEAH, I WILL DO THAT. SLIDE 13, THERE'S A SECTION IN CONTRIBUTIONS. I NOTICE THAT THAT'S, IT SEEMS, THAT WE'VE GOT DOUBLE THE BUDGET FOR THAT. AND WE STILL SEEM TO BE AT THE SAME PERCENTAGE. WHAT WAS CONTRIBUTIONS? THOSE ARE CONTRIBUTIONS TO OUR CRATER PLANNING DISTRICT, BUT WE ALSO MADE SOME ONE-TIME CONTRIBUTIONS TO SEED THE EDA'S SMALL BUSINESS GRANT. SO THOSE ARE THE LARGEST DIFFERENCES, THOSE ONE-TIME CONTRIBUTIONS.

THE HEALTH INSURANCE, I THINK IT'S SLIDE 15. YOU'RE SEEING THAT NUMBER KIND OF TREND DOWN. IS THERE ANYTHING, FROM YOUR UNDERSTANDING, IS THIS KIND OF REFLECTING THE DIFFERENCE OF FOLKS THAT ARE RETIRING, MAYBE HAVE WHOLE FAMILIES ON THE PLAN, NEW FOLKS THAT COME ON ARE ONLY SINGLE INDIVIDUALS, WHERE WE MIGHT EXPECT THIS NUMBER TO GO DOWN? THE SPIKE IN CLAIMS DURING FY25 WAS DRIVEN BY A FEW, A HANDFUL OF HIGH CLAIMANTS. JUST 10 PEOPLE DRIVING 60% OF OUR CLAIMS. WE DO HAVE REINSURANCE OR STOP-LOSS COVERAGE AT $100,000. SO WHEN OUR CLAIMS REACH THAT LEVEL, THAT REINSURANCE KICKS IN, AND IT DOES NOT COME OUT OF OUR HEALTH FUND. THOSE HIGH CLAIMANTS, ONE IN PARTICULAR, IS STILL ON OUR PLAN. HE IS NOT A RETIREE. HE IS THE SPOUSE OF AN ACTIVE EMPLOYEE. SO WE ARE A SMALL GROUP TO BE SELF-INSURED, SURELY. WE USED TO BE COMBINED WITH THE SCHOOL DIVISION, AND THE SCHOOL DIVISION MADE THE CHOICE A FEW YEARS AGO TO SEPARATE FROM THE SELF-INSURED POOL AND GO WITH A STATEWIDE POOL CALLED THE LOCAL CHOICE. THAT IS A FULLY INSURED GROUP, BUT IT IS A POOLED GROUP. SO, AGAIN, OUR CLAIMS VARY FROM YEAR TO YEAR. OUR FUND BALANCE HAS HAS PEAKED AT THE END OF 21 AT 2.9 MILLION, AND IT REMAINED PRETTY STEADY DURING FY22 AND 23. SLIGHT DIP IN 24. WE ALWAYS WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ADEQUATELY FUNDING OUR PLAN. SO WE DID ENGAGE, OR WE DID APPROVE AN 11% INCREASE IN PREMIUMS THAT WAS SHARED BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE EMPLOYEES FOR FY26. SO WE ARE... MORE ADEQUATELY FUNDING THE PLAN THIS YEAR. THE LAST THING THAT I HAVE, I THINK IT'S EITHER PAGE 28 OR 30, MAYBE. IT'S A SECTION, I THINK IT HAS SOME OF THE LINE ITEMS ON IT. IT'S DEBT SERVICE, THE 0401. ONE THING I NOTICED IS THAT THE PERCENTAGES FOR THE DEBT SERVICE AT THIS POINT IN THE YEAR WERE PRETTY CONSIDERABLY OVER 50%.

IS THAT NORMAL, OR IS THIS SOME CHANGE IN HOW THE DEBT FINANCING IS WORKING? THAT'S CAUSING US TO BE ON 50% AT THIS POINT IN THE YEAR? SO WHAT SLIDE? I THINK IT'S NUMBER 28. ALL RIGHT, IT'S NOT A SLIDE, THEN. IT'S IN THE ATTACHMENT. NOW IT MAKES SENSE WHY MY NOTES WERE JUMPED, BECAUSE I HAD SLIDES AND THEN IT SWITCHED TO PAGES. ALL RIGHT, SO 28 OR 30, SOMEWHERE

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LOOK AT PAGE 12, BETSY. YEAH.

YEAH, THAT COULD BE. IT MAY HAVE BEEN NUMBERED DIFFERENTLY IN BOARD OF OPS. YEAH. THE 0401, THE PERCENTAGES ARE PRETTY CONSIDERABLY OVER 50%. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT MEANT ANYTHING OR IF THAT JUST HAPPENED. WE PAY THE MAJORITY OF OUR DEBT SERVICE IN AUGUST AND OUR FEBRUARY, WITH THE LARGER PAYMENTS BEING ON AUGUST 1. OKAY. THAT MAKES IT MAKE SENSE. THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL I HAD, SIR. ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH, I GOT A QUICK QUESTION. ON PAGE 23, OR SLIDE 23, I'M SORRY. LOOKING AT PUBLIC SAFETY, AND SO IT'S PAGE 23 AND 24. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ATTACHMENT. YES, MA'AM, THE SLIDES, NOT THE PAGE. IT WOULD BE PAGE 7 AND PAGE 8, BUT IT'S SLIDE 23, 24. ALL RIGHT, I'M SEEING LIKE, THE SAFER GRANT, I'M SEEING FIRE AND EMS GRANTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. IS THAT LIKE FOR LIFE MONEY AND FIRE PROGRAMS MONEY, OR IS THAT NOT IN THIS DOCUMENT? SAFER GRANTS ARE ALL EXPIRED. SO WE CAN PROBABLY HIDE THOSE ROWS UNLESS WE APPLY FOR NEW SAFER GRANTS.

THE EMS GRANTS DO CONSIST OF FOUR FOR LIFE. NO, I APOLOGIZE. IT IS FOUR FOR LIFE, BUT IT IS NOT FIRE PROGRAM FUNDS. FIRE PROGRAM FUNDS ARE HOUSED IN DEPARTMENT 610 IN THE REGULAR FIRE AND EMS BUDGET, BUT IT IS A VARIETY OF SMALL GRANTS FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND FIRE. OKAY.

THAT'S ALL I GOT AT THIS TIME. TWO MORE, MR. COX ON THE JOINT MEETING WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD, POTENTIALLY ADDING A TOPIC TO DISCUSS RECOMBINING INSURANCE.

OR WHAT THE BENEFIT HAS BEEN TO THEM SINCE THEY WENT TO LOCAL CHOICE THINGS LIKE THAT. THE OTHER ONE FOR MR. URI AND MISS PUDLOW IS THE SLIDES THAT SHOWED WE WERE IN FAVORABLE, FAVORABLE POSITIONS FOR MEALS AND LODGING. COULD WE HAVE, MR. JOB OR DO YOU KNOW SOME KIND OF AN ANALYSIS ON THAT AND SEE IF ANY OF THE PROGRAMS THAT HE IMPLEMENTED WERE CREATED? THAT POSITIVITY AND IF WE CAN LEAN MORE INTO THEM IN THE FUTURE.

SURE. OKAY. YES. I GOT ONE MORE. ALL RIGHT, ALSO, ON THE 2.5 MILLION, WELL, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE OVER 2.5 MILLION LEFT OVER FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, ARE YOU ALL KIND OF LIKE EARMARKING THAT FOR STATION 6, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TAP INTO TO ADDRESS ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE CURRENT STATIONS? WE HAD GOTTEN DIRECTION FROM THE PRIOR SITTING BOARD THAT THAT WAS THE PROJECT PRIORITY FOR THAT FUNDING. THERE'S CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW... THAT WAS BEFORE ALL THE UNKNOWNS WOULD COME UP TO STATION 8. WELL, AND STATION 5, TOO. RIGHT. WELL, CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SHIFT THE MONEY AROUND, BUT THE NEEDS AT STATION 6 WILL NECESSITATE FUNDING THAT PROJECT AT WHATEVER LEVEL IT'S...

WELL, I'M HOPING WE CAN KEEP THAT PRETTY LOW. BUILDING A NEW STATION OR WHATEVER AVENUES WE GET ONCE WE GET THIS STUDY BACK. AND YOU SAID, WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT IN MARCH, ARE YOU THINKING? I THINK SO. I KNOW THAT CHIEF CACERES, I THINK, MET WITH A CONSULTANT LAST WEEK. OR, YEAH. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT, MS. DREW, IF YOU GO TO SLIDE THREE, PLEASE. WELL, IT'S LIKE SCHOOL BALANCE. THE FUND BALANCE? YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. SO THEY OVERSHOT THEIR BUDGET. TO THE GOOD SIDE OF $2.6 MILLION CHANGE. THEIR REVENUES EXCEEDED THEIR EXPENDITURES BY THAT AMOUNT.

OKAY. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT.

HELP ME REFRESH MY MEMORY, BUT DID WE NOT HAVE A FUND AT ONE TIME THAT UNEXPENDED FUNDS FROM THE SCHOOL WENT INTO FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR THE SCHOOLS? I BELIEVE THAT LASTED ONE YEAR. THE CAPITAL FUND IN THE OLD FINANCIAL SYSTEM, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, WAS NUMBERED 301. AND THAT'S WHERE THAT NOMENCLATURE CAME FROM. TODAY, IT'S FUND 311.

AND WE HAVE HAD A LONGSTANDING PRACTICE IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS OF ALLOWING THE SCHOOL DIVISION TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. TO HAVE THEIR CARRYOVER REAPPROPRIATED AND PUT IN THE CAPITAL FUND.

TO DO A VARIETY OF CAPITAL PROJECTS, AND THE BOARD HAS TYPICALLY ASKED THEM TO OUTLINE AND QUANTIFY THOSE PROJECTS. SO THAT THAT WAS ONE YEAR, I BELIEVE MANY YEARS AGO, THAT IT WAS JUST APPROPRIATED FOR CAPITAL USE. I SPOKE TO SEVERAL SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS AND I'VE TOLD THEM MY RELUCTANCE TO CARRY

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BUT GOING AWAY FROM CARRYOVER FUNDS AND PUTTING ANYTHING THAT'S LEFT OVER INTO THAT FUND. THAT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR SCHOOL USES, AND WE CAN OUTLINE THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT IT CAN BE UTILIZED FOR. AND IT SAVES THEM FROM COMING BACK. YES, SIR.

WHAT SHE'S REFERRING TO IS WE WENT TO CATEGORICAL FUNDING, WHICH IS MANDATED BY THE STATE. WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY BECAUSE WE'RE THE TAXING AUTHORITY. AND THE HOPE THERE WAS TO GET EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE. SO YOU COULD, THE PUBLIC COULD ACTUALLY LOOK ON THEIR WEBSITE, JUST LIKE THEY CAN LOOK ON OURS.

AND GO RIGHT ON. DOWN TO WHAT CHECK WAS WRITTEN TO WHO, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.

THE OTHER, THE SECOND PIECE OF THAT IS WHEN THEY COME BACK TO US, EVEN WITH IMPACT AID.

RIGHT FROM FEDERAL AND STATE IMPACT, BECAUSE OF THE KIDS AT FORT LEE, THEY HAVE BEEN DOING A LOT BETTER, REALLY DECENT, AS FAR AS COMING BACK. AND THEY'VE GOT A LISTING WITH THE LINE ITEMS, WHAT LINE ITEM THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THAT MONEY TO, AND THEN WHEN WE APPROPRIATE IT, THOSE MONIES ARE EXPECTED TO GO IN THOSE LINE ITEMS THAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME HICCUPS IN THE PAST WITH HAVING TWO CIP FUNDS, BUT NOT HAVING ENOUGH TO DO IT AND THEN HAVING IT ON THEIR CIP LIST. AND THE INTENT THERE, AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN ON THAT CIP COMMITTEE, WAS. IF YOU WERE PLANNING ON PULLING ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS FORWARD, IT SHOULD HAVE COME BACK TO THE BOARD TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE FUNDING TO CARRY IT THROUGH, NOT CHECK UP. WELL, THAT'S GOING TO GET BROUGHT UP. THE BALL FIELD. 1.4. BOOM. TOOK OFF WITH IT. WHY NOT BE IN 247? BY THE TIME IT WAS ALL OVER WITH WITH THE DEQ AND PERMITS AND EVERYTHING ELSE? NOT BLAME ANYBODY. I'M NOT TRYING TO THROW ANYBODY ON THE BUS. I KNOW MY EARS BAIT SOMEBODY IF THEY'RE WATCHING IT, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED, BECAUSE I WENT BACK AND CHECKED. THE OTHER THING HAD TO DO WITH EXPENDITURES ON ELECTRICITY, AND MS. DRURY AND ONE OF HER TEAM MEMBERS HELPED ME WHEN IT GOT TO THE MUNI SITE BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO SCREW AROUND IN THAT SYSTEM.

BUT YOU CAN'T BUDGET FOR $75,000 FOR ELECTRIC FOR A SCHOOL AND TURN AROUND.

START AT 38, OVERSPEND, OVERSPEND, THEN GO TO 75, THEN OVERSPEND. AND THEN WHEN WE HAD OUR JOINT MEETING, THAT ONE SCHOOL WAS ALREADY AT $117,000 ON ELECTRIC ONLY, AND THEY STILL HAD THREE MONTHS OF SCHOOL LEFT. THAT'S WHAT NECESSITATED, THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE CATALYST WAS TO GOING TO CATEGORICAL FUNDING, BECAUSE WE COULD NOT SEEM TO GET ON THE SAME PAGE, AND CITIZENS WERE CONSTANTLY ASKING, WILL YOU ALL APPROVE, WHICH WE DO.

BUT ONCE WE APPROVE IT, WE REALLY HAVE NO AUTHORITY ON IT OTHER THAN THROUGH THE CATEGORY OF REFUNDING. OR IF THEY COME BACK TO US TO REAPPROPRIATE IT. AND IF THEY RUN SHOW ON THE FUND, ALL THEY GOT TO DO IS BRING IT BACK. AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER DISAPPROVED IT. HEY, MR. HE'LL COME BACK AND SAID HE WANT TO MOVE SOMETHING OUT OF FOUR OR ONE AND FOUR, ELEVEN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THEY GIVE US A REASON WHY I WANT TO DO IT.

THE BOARD'S ALWAYS WORKED WITH THEM TO DO THAT. SO IT'S JUST ACROSS A TRIP, ACROSS THE STREET AND ABOARD ME. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT, THAT'S ALL I GOT, MS. DRURY. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU ALL. I THINK YOU HAVE THE NEXT ITEM CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROCESS. AS THE BOARD MEMBERS, OR MOST OF THE BOARD MEMBERS MAY BE AWARE, THE COUNTY TYPICALLY ENGAGES IN AN ANNUAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANNING PROCESS. THAT PROCESS WAS PAUSED GOING BACK TO 2020, DURING COVID AND BECAUSE OUR DEBT CAPACITY WAS EXTREMELY LIMITED, WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT TAX INCREASE. SO FY2027 WAS THE FIRST YEAR IN PERHAPS FIVE YEARS THAT WE HAD ENGAGED IN THIS PROCESS AGAIN. AND WE ENGAGED OR NAMED A COMMITTEE, WHICH WAS COMPRISED OF A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, A MEMBER OF THE SCHOOL BOARD. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THREE CITIZEN REPRESENTATIVES AND TWO MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

AND THEN STAFF ASSIST THIS COMMITTEE. THE COMMITTEE RECEIVED PROJECTS FROM THE SCHOOL DIVISION AND COUNTY DEPARTMENTS THAT TOTALED OVER 360 MILLION DOLLARS. THEY RANKED THOSE PROJECTS IN TERMS OF URGENCY AND SIGNIFICANCE, AND THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT

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DISCUSSION? I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND TO SUSPEND IT UNTIL WE GET GROUNDED ON SOME OF THIS OTHER FUNDING BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SOME OTHER STUFF COME TO LIGHT AND WE'RE LIMITED DOLLARS. RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE. OTHER QUESTIONS? HOW MUCH ARE WE CURRENTLY EXPENDING WITH DAVENPORT TO DO THIS? WE ARE NOT EXPENDING ANYTHING RIGHT NOW.

WE DID PAY THEM FOR THEIR SERVICES RENDERED THROUGH A PARTICULAR DATE, AND I CAN PROVIDE THAT EXACT DOLLAR AMOUNT TO YOU. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW IF WE CONTINUE DOWN THIS ROAD, WHAT FUNDS WE WOULD EXPEND WITH DAVENPORT TO CONTINUE? BECAUSE IF WE'RE JUST WASTING MONEY, THROWING IT OUT THE WINDOW, I CAN'T SEE CONTINUING. AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS, DID DAVENPORT COME UP WITH THE COST ESTIMATE OF 8.8 MILLION? NO. WHO CAME UP WITH THAT COST ESTIMATE? CHIEF CACERES PROVIDED THAT COST ESTIMATE. OKAY, THAT'S YEAH. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, IT'S A ROUGH ESTIMATE, AT BEST. VERY ROUGH. I UNDERSTAND. SO, ALL RIGHT, ANOTHER QUESTION. THE $6 MILLION CAPACITY THAT DAVENPORT SAID THAT WE'D HAD IN THE FIRST YEAR, I REMEMBER GOING BACK AND LOOKING THROUGH THAT PRESENTATION. DID THAT REPRESENT SOMETHING ABOUT ROUGHLY ABOUT $300,000, OR $400,000 A YEAR IN DEBT SERVICE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO ALLOCATE OUT OF THE BUDGET? NO, THAT IS WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE BUDGETED FOR PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST PAYMENTS, WITH NO MORE CONTRIBUTIONS. IT IS DEBT FALLING OFF OR DEBT ROLLING OFF, BUT US CONTINUING TO CONTRIBUTE FROM THE GENERAL FUND THE SAME AMOUNT TO THE DEBT FUND. BUT I GUESS THAT AMOUNT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE IN THE REALM OF $300,000 TO $400,000 A YEAR. I BELIEVE SO. I CAN LOOK BACK AT THE PRESENTATION OR...

WHERE'S MY SCREEN CUTS OFF? I GUESS FOR ME, AND THIS IS REALLY THE DISCUSSION FOR US UP HERE, I GUESS, I WOULD ASK ONE HERE, IS THAT WHEN I LOOK AT THE CIP LIST... THERE'S THINGS ON IT THAT I EXPECT, AND THERE'S ALSO SOME THINGS THAT I DON'T SEE. I THINK THERE'S SOME BUILDINGS AS FAR AS, LIKE, MAINTENANCE ON THINGS THAT WE HAVE THAT I THINK WOULD PROBABLY MEET THE DEFINITION.

CCIP IS OVER A MILLION DOLLARS, I BELIEVE, RIGHT? IT'S CURRENTLY OVER $50,000, BUT IT DOES NEED TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THE ASSET OR MAKE A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT OR A NEW CONSTRUCTION. ONE THING I THINK I'VE HEARD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT IS POTENTIALLY HAVING A TOOL THAT HELPS US TRACK THE LIFE OF SOME OF THE ASSETS WE HAVE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO HOPE THAT MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, WITH A CIP PROGRAM, THAT WE WOULD HAVE THOSE THINGS ON THERE, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE SOMETIMES CIPS CAN BE SOMEWHAT OF A WISH LIST IN SOME CASES.

SOME THINGS ARE WARRANTED, CERTAINLY, BUT THAT WE WOULD HAVE ALL THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, BECAUSE I THINK SOME THINGS ARE, THEY MIGHT BE ON THE HORIZON, BUT WE NEED TO PLAN 10 OR 15 YEARS AND START SAVING FOR. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT...

NECESSARILY ADDS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE CONTINUE OR DISCONTINUE CIP, BUT I WOULD HOPE GOING FORWARD THAT WE'RE ABLE TO KIND OF CATALOG EVERYTHING WE HAVE, SO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE NEEDS ARE, AND THEN WE CAN PRIORITIZE.

RATHER THAN HOWEVER, THE...

MR. ROY, YOU'RE ON THERE. HOW IS THE LIST GENERATED CURRENTLY AS FAR AS THE ITEMS THAT GO ON IT? I KNOW SOME DIFFERENT SOURCES, FROM EVEN CITIZENS OR FROM THE REPRESENTATIVE THAT SIT ON THERE. I'M JUST THE ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT SITS ON THERE. IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NOT A GOOD PROCESS.

TO GET A FEEL FOR WHAT YOU GOT OUT THERE AND TRY TO GET SOME

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HE'S ONE OF THEM. UM, I THINK HIS NAME IS BRUCE OR WHATEVER.

WHAT'S HIS NAME, BETSY? EVERY SECOND, I CAN'T EVER GET NAMES, RIGHT? ANYWAY, I'LL RECALL HIS FIRST NAME, MR. WEBB, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. UM, WAIT, I MEAN, STOP ON YOUR WHAT? UM, BRIAN, IT'S BRIAN WAYMACK, BRIAN WAYMER. AND THEY HELP PRIORITIZE SUGGESTED TO SPENDING IT, IT'S ONLY BECAUSE UNTIL WE CAN GET GROUNDED ON WHAT MONIES WE HAVE, KNOWING WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AVAILABLE, WE ALREADY GOT A COUPLE RIGHT NOW. THAT'S GOING TO TAKE IT UP IF WE DECIDE TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD. THE TRICK WITH PRIORITY, AND IF YOU ALSO LOOK AT THAT LIST, IT'S GOT LIKE THREE GENERATORS ON THERE, BACKUP GENERATORS FOR STATIONS. IT WAS FOUR TOTAL. I THINK WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING ONE OF THEM DONE NOW. OBVIOUSLY, IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA FROM A LONG TERM STANDPOINT TO TRY TO REPLACE FOUR. LIKE $20,000 GENERATORS AT THE SAME TIME. NOT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO ROTATE AND EXTEND THE LIFE OUT SO YOU CAN BUDGET FOR IT.

UNLESS YOU WANT TO TRY TO BUDGET TO SPEND $800,000 EVERY 15, 20 YEARS, BARRING ANY MISHAPS. AND THERE'S SOME OTHER GENERATORS OUT THERE. I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME ISSUES OUT HERE WITH THIS ONE HERE THAT NEEDS TO BE PICKED UP. MR. ENIX HAS PICKED UP ON IT. BUT HE'S ON TARGET IS MY CONCERN, BECAUSE THAT'S MY AREA.

ON PREVENTIVE, PROACTIVE MAINTENANCE, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO PUT THE MAINTENANCE PLAN TOGETHER FIRST, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TO FOLLOW IT AND COLLECT THE DATA. JUST WRITING WORK ORDERS, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU WRITE THEM, DOES NOT NECESSARILY GIVE YOU A GOOD REFERENCE FOR JUSTIFYING REPLACING AN ASSET AS A WHOLE.

WE TALK ABOUT SUSPENDING THIS PROCESS.

WE'RE SUSPENDING MEETINGS OF THE CIP COMMITTEE. HOW OFTEN DO THOSE TAKE PLACE? WE HAVEN'T MET IN SEVERAL MONTHS, BUT WE WERE MEETING LIKE ONCE A MONTH, I THINK.

WELL, IT WAS A VERY SHORT TIMELINE. WE STARTED THE MEETINGS.

IN THE EARLY FALL AND HAD HOPED TO CONCLUDE THEM IN DECEMBER.

SO THAT WE COULD MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THIS BOARD AS PART OF THE FY27 PROCESS. SO WE ARE PAST THE TIMELINE, REALLY, TO MAKE MEANINGFUL RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU IN YOUR UPCOMING BUDGET PROCESS. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT, BUT THAT'S THE REASON I MADE A COMMENT. I MEAN, I LIKE THE INFORMATION PROCESS. I LIKE THE COMMITTEE CONTINUING TO BRING THINGS UP AS OTHER LEVERS MOVE IN THE COUNTY.

LARGER ECONOMIC THINGS CHANGE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT OPENS SOME THINGS UP.

IF WE AT LEAST KEEP THE DISCUSSION PROCESS MOVING, IT KEEPS US READY TO ACT. IF WE SUSPEND THE ENTIRE THING, WE MIGHT BE LEAVING OURSELVES OPEN, MISSING OUT ON SOME INFORMATION, AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT EXPENDING FUNDS.

WELL, AS DESIGNED, IT IS A VERY SHORT DURATION THAT THAT COMMITTEE MEETS, AND IT WAS ONCE A YEAR FOR ABOUT A THREE-MONTH PERIOD OF TIME. IT WASN'T AN ONGOING COMMITTEE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

AND THE PROJECTS ARE SUBMITTED BY DEPARTMENT HEADS AND THE SCHOOL DIVISION. THAT'S WHO SUBMITS THE LIST OF PROJECTS.

OKAY. OKAY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, WHAT'S THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD? MR. WEBB, YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? I DON'T MIND CONTINUING IT. OKAY. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF IT AND WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY AT. I UNDERSTAND. YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE IT? I MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE IT. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? QUESTION.

OKAY. OR A SECOND. SAME PLACE.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

BY CONTINUING IT, WE'RE JUST SAYING WE'RE GOING TO DO IT NEXT YEAR, OR WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO HAVE SOME MORE MEETINGS BEFORE THE END OF THIS BUDGET. I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE? IT WON'T DO ANY GOOD FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR. THAT'S WHAT YOU JUST SAID. THAT'S MY POINT. SO CONTINUING THIS YEAR'S PROCESS IS WHAT I'M SPECIFICALLY ASKING NOW, NOT TO WHETHER TO EVER DO IT AGAIN. OKAY.

JUST FOR FY27. YEAH. BECAUSE CLEARLY, THE COMMITTEE SHOULD HAVE COMPLETED ITS WORK ALREADY. RIGHT. SO IF WE SUSPEND IT, THOUGH, THERE IS A COST SAVINGS, CORRECT? WELL, WE WILL NOT EXPEND ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDS WITH DAVENPORT. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND. I HEAR NO SECOND. I'LL ENTERTAIN ANOTHER MOTION. SO THE FIRST ONE'S DYING THEN, RIGHT? OKAY, THAT'S FINE. THEY DIDN'T HAVE A SECOND. RIGHT. I HAVE A QUESTION. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I FRAMED THIS CORRECTLY. I'M INTERESTED IN THIS PROCESS CONTINUING, BUT MAYBE NOT WITHOUT EXPENDING DOLLARS TO DAVENPORT, I GUESS, IS MY...

BUT I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, IF WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH DAVENPORT, IS THERE ANY MORE PROCESS, I GUESS? SURE.

YOU CAN ENGAGE IN AN IN-HOUSE PROCESS TO IDENTIFY PROJECTS, AND STAFF CAN CERTAINLY TRY

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EXCEL TO FIGURE OUT OUR CURRENT DEBT PORTFOLIO AND WHAT THE IMPACT IS ON YOUR TAX RATE.

YOU KNOW, WE KNOW ROUGHLY WHAT A PENNY EQUATES TO, BUT SETTLING THOSE OUT YEAR OVER YEAR, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ATTEMPT TO DO IT IN-HOUSE. I GUESS IN MY MIND, WHAT I'D BE INTERESTED IN IS TO CONTINUE TO IDENTIFY THINGS WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ON A CIP PROGRAM, AND WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE THE HORSEPOWER OF DAVENPORT CALCULATING WHAT'S FEASIBLE. HERE'S ALL THE THINGS WE THINK WE SHOULD DO, AND THEN, MAYBE AT A LATER DATE, YOU HAVE SOMEBODY LOOK AT WHAT IS FEASIBLE FINANCIALLY. THAT WOULD BE AN INTEREST THAT I'D HAVE. SO IF I FORM THAT IN A MOTION, I GUESS I'D HAVE A MOTION THAT WE SUSPEND THE CURRENT. CIP PROCESS FOR FY27, BUT RESUME A CAPITAL PLANNING PROCESS IN FUTURE YEARS. SO, A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE CURRENT PROCESS AND TO START OR CONTINUE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. CAPITAL PLANNING PROCESS TO IDENTIFY PROJECTS. SURE. IF IT'S NOT, IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH? OKAY.

AND THAT WOULD BE FOR 27-28.

PROBABLY WOULD BE FOR FY28. WE WOULD NEED TO TALK ABOUT TIMELINE AND LOGISTICS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO I HAVE ANOTHER MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION? I'LL SECOND IT. I'LL HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MR. FORD PUGH? YES. MR. HAMILL? YES. MR. PHILLIP PUGH? NO. MR. COX? YES. MR. WEBB? YES. OKAY. I THINK THAT IS THE END OF THE MEETING TONIGHT, SO I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN. SO MOVED. I HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND, FOR DISCUSSION. HEARING NONE, ROLL CALL. MR. HAMILL? YES.

MR. PHILLIP PUGH? YES. MR. COX? YES. MR. WEBB? YES. MR. FORD PUGH? YES. STAND ADJOURNED.

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