Oct 28, 2025 Regular Meeting

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GOOD EVENING. TODAY IS OCTOBER THE 28TH. IT IS NOW 6 P.M.

[A. Call to Order (6:00 pm)]

AND THE FIRST THING I NEED TO DO IS BOARD MEMBERS, I NEED A MOTION FOR ELECTRONIC PARTICIPATION TO ALLOW MR. WEBB TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND VIRTUALLY AS HE IS STUCK IN NORTH CAROLINA DUE TO THE WEATHER.

SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE.

SO MOVED. SECOND. OKAY. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MR. COX AND SECOND BY MR. PUGH THAT WE WOULD ALLOW MR. WEBB TO ATTEND ELECTRONIC PARTICIPATION VIRTUALLY.

YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION, MISS KNOT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. BROWN. YES. MRS. WAYMACK. YES. MR. COX. YES.

MR. PUGH. YES. OKAY, NOW WE'LL GO TO OUR. MOTION CARRIED.

NOW WE'LL GO TO OUR ROLL CALL, MISS KNOT. MRS. WAYMACK. HERE. MR. COX. HERE. MR. PUGH. HERE.

MR. WEBB. HERE. MR. BROWN. MR. WEBB, WOULD YOU PLEASE STATE WHERE YOU ARE, SIR? I'M IN SMITHFIELD, NORTH CAROLINA. OKAY. AND HERE.

THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. MOTION CARRIED. NEXT ITEM ON THIS AGENDA IS THE ADOPTION OF OUR AGENDA.

BOARD MEMBERS, I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.

SO MOVED. SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MR. COX AND SECOND BY MRS. WAYMACK THAT WE WOULD ADOPT THE AGENDA AS SO PRINTED AND SHOWN ON BOARD DOCS.

YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. MRS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. COX. YES. MR. PUGH. YES. MR. WEBB. YES. MR. BROWN. YES. MRS. WAYMACK. YES. MOTION CARRIED.

THE FIRST ITEM WE'RE GOING TO DO IS, WE HAVE A CLOSED SESSION COMING UP TO DISCUSS LEGAL ADVICE FROM COUNSEL REGARDING THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE PARKS AND

[B. Closed Session]

MR. CHAIR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO CODE 2.2-3711A FOR THE LEGAL ADVICE AND DISCUSSION FROM LEGAL COUNSEL REGARDING PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION POLICY AND RULES.

OKAY, I NEED A SECOND, PLEASE. SECOND.

PUGH AND SECOND BY MR. COX THAT WE WOULD GO INTO CLOSED SESSION FOR THE ITEM IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION THAT WAS JUST GIVEN.

YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. MRS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. PUGH. YES. MR. WEBB. YES, MR. BROWN. YES.

MRS. WAYMACK. YES. MR. COX. YES. MOTION CARRIED.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WILL WE'LL BE IN CLOSED SESSION AND MR. WEBB, I'LL CALL YOU ON MY PHONE, SIR. [INAUDIBLE].

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE WERE IN CLOSED SESSION.

WE HAVE NOW COMPLETED OUR CLOSED SESSION. AND AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO RECONVENE AND CERTIFY THE CLOSED SESSION, PLEASE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RECONVENE IN OPEN SESSION AND CERTIFY THAT ONLY THE MATTERS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED MEETING WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED OR CONSIDERED. I NEED A SECOND, PLEASE.

I SECOND. IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. COX AND SECOND BY MRS. WAYMACK FOR US TO RECONVENE AND THE CERTIFICATION OF OUR CLOSED SESSION, AS SO STATED IN THE MOTION.

MRS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. WEBB. YES. MR. BROWN. YES. MRS. WAYMACK. YES.

MR. COX. YES. MR. PUGH. YES. MOTION CARRIED. THE NEXT THING WE'RE GOING INTO IS, MRS.

[C. Business Meeting]

MRS. WAYMACK. OUR DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR MANY BLESSINGS. PLEASE CONTINUE TO PROTECT US FROM MANY POSSIBLE DISASTERS.

FATHER, WE ASK THAT YOU BE WITH THOSE WHO HAVE LOST LOVED ONES.

COMFORT THEM. WE ASK THAT YOU BE WITH THOSE WHO ARE SICK IN MIND, BODY OR SPIRIT.

HEAL THEM. FATHER, WE PRAY FOR PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY AND ALL WHO LABOR THEREIN.

BE WITH THIS BOARD, FATHER. HOLD EACH OF US IN YOUR HAND, THAT WE MAY DO YOUR WILL.

IN YOUR HOLY NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS,

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SO THANK YOU TO MRS. WAYMACK FOR DOING THE BOARD´S INVOCATION, AND THANK YOU TO MR. COX FOR LEADING US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

OUR NEXT ITEM IS GOING TO BE PUBLIC COMMENT. AT THAT TIME, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO COME FORWARD AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

TO BRING ANYTHING TO OUR ATTENTION. USUALLY THE RESTRICTION IS YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S ON PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE HAVE NO PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS TONIGHT. ON THE PODIUM OUT THERE, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE ARE TWO ADDITIONAL MICS.

THOSE MICS ARE THERE FOR OUR MEDIA FOLKS THAT ARE HERE.

SO PLEASE DON'T KNOCK THEM OVER, TOUCH THEM, COVER THEM WITH YOUR PAPER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT YOU'LL STILL SPEAK INTO THE NORMAL MIC THAT WE HAVE THERE.

SO AT THIS TIME, FIRST LET ME ASK IF WE HAVE ANYONE, MRS. KNOTT, WHO HAS SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. YES, SIR MR. CHAIRMAN. THE FIRST PERSON SIGNED UP IS [INAUDIBLE].

OKAY.

GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. GOOD EVENING SIR. I WAS TOLD, THIS MAY BE INACCURATE.

IF I REPRESENT AN ORGANIZATION, I MAY GET MORE TIME, IS THAT TRUE? WHAT ORGANIZATION ARE YOU REPRESENTING? CONCERNED CITIZENS OF PRINCE GEORGE. IT IS 100% AN ORGANIZATION ON FACEBOOK.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN LLC OR BUSINESS GROUP, BUT I DEFINITELY REPRESENT CONCERNED CITIZENS OF PRINCE GEORGE.

YOU'LL BE FIVE MINUTES, SIR. WONDERFUL. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, SIR.

SO WHAT I BRING TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BOARD IS AN EXTREMELY PRESSING MATTER.

SO ON THE 20. SORRY. ON THE 11TH OF OCTOBER, I HAD THE PLEASURE OF.

EXCUSE ME. CAN I GET YOU TO STATE YOUR. OH, I APOLOGIZE.

ADDRESS AND STUFF. ABSOLUTELY. [INAUDIBLE]. 15 201 JAMES RIVER DRIVE, DISPUTANTA.

OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. COOL. YOU'RE VERY WELCOME. SO WE HAD THE PLEASURE OF GOING TO THE DINWIDDIE SPORTS COMPLEX.

I'VE ONLY DRIVEN PAST IT. SO THIS WAS MY FIRST TIME VISITING BECAUSE I ALWAYS PLAY HERE WITH MY KIDS FOR SOCCER.

SO WE GO AND. I'M A REALTOR. I SEE THESE BIG POWER LINES AND I'M THINKING THEY CAN'T BE THE TRANSMISSION LINES THAT I, YOU KNOW, TELL EVERYONE TO, YOU KNOW, AND PEOPLE AVOID.

AND SO WE GET THERE AND YOU KNOW, WE PARK AND EVERYONE'S THERE.

WE GET OUT OF OUR VAN, MYSELF AND MY THREE CHILDREN GET ELECTROCUTED.

IT'S NOT A JOKE. IT'S CALLED ARCING. AND SO WE GET BACK IN THE CAR.

I'M LIKE, THIS IS WEIRD. THE LINES ARE HUMMING. I PULL OUT MY VOLTAGE CONTINUITY TESTER BECAUSE I'M A REALTOR, I HAVE CERTAIN TOOLS TO HELP CLIENTS. SO IT STARTS BEEPING.

I'M LIKE, THIS IS REALLY WEIRD. SO I LITERALLY TAKE IT, I WALK LIKE 100FT AWAY FROM THESE LINES.

IT'S STILL GOING OFF. I NOTIFIED THE WORKER AT THE FACILITY.

HE SAID HE'S BEEN WORKING THERE TEN YEARS AND IT'S NORMAL.

AND THEY REALLY GET SHOCKED WHEN THEY MOVE THE LINES.

I MEAN, KIND OF LIKE MADE A BIG CRACK JOKE ABOUT IT, NOT MOVE THE LINES WHEN THEY MOVE THE SOCCER GOALS.

SO I'M THINKING TO MYSELF, THIS IS NOT GOOD. SO WE GO, WE PLAY THE GAME BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, SCARE MY KIDS. WE'RE THERE FOR A TWO GAME TOURNAMENT FOR THAT DAY.

SO WE PLAY OUR GAME. DIDN'T SIT WELL WITH ME BECAUSE WHEN I WALKED OUT TO THE FIELD, I STILL GOT MY TESTER.

I'M LIKE 150, 200FT, MAYBE A LITTLE FURTHER. MAN, I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF THE KID´S SOCCER FIELD AND IT'S STILL BEEPING.

SO I'M LIKE, WOW, THERE'S CURRENT ALL THE WAY OUT HERE.

SO I CALLED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE I DIDN'T LIKE HIS ANSWER. FIRE DEPARTMENT COMES. THEY THINK I'M LIKE CRAZY.

I'M SERIOUS ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THE NARRATIVE AT THIS FACILITY IS, THIS IS NORMAL AND SAFE FOR PEOPLE TO BE AROUND.

JUST SO HAPPENS, A PRINCE GEORGE RESIDENT WHO WAS THERE THE WEEK BEFORE SAID THAT SHE GOT SHOCKED AND SHE SAID, I THOUGHT I WAS JUST CRAZY. AND IT'S A REALLY POWERFUL SHOCK.

IT'S NOT LIKE A STATIC ELECTRIC. IT'S NOT LIKE A 20 AMP BREAKER.

IT'S LIKE A 240. SUPER SERIOUS. SO THIS HAPPENED ON THE 11TH.

SO WHILE WE GO PLAY OUR NEXT GAME, DOMINION ENERGY REPRESENTATIVE SHOWS UP.

HE SAYS THAT THESE ARE TRANSMISSION LINES. THIS IS WHAT THEY DO.

I'M LIKE JEEZ I CAN'T BELIEVE THESE ARE. I'M JUST SERIOUS.

I CAN'T BELIEVE THEIR TRANSMISSION LINES. YOU PARK UNDER THEM, YOU CONGREGATE, YOU HANG OUT, AND I'M ABOUT TO GIVE SOME FACTS ABOUT THAT IN A MOMENT.

BUT I ENDED UP GOING TO THE BOARD MEETING IN DINWIDDIE COUNTY ON THE TUESDAY.

SO ON THE 11TH I WAS THERE SATURDAY. SO THAT TUESDAY I GO TO THE BOARD MEETING.

MY QUESTION TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THESE THINGS GIVE OFF EMF AND THEY CAN AFFECT ALL FORMS OF IMPROVISED MEDICAL DEVICES, NOT JUST PACEMAKERS AND DEFIBRILLATORS, BUT INSULIN PUMPS, TENSE UNITS, THE ONES FOR EPILEPSY.

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OR THAT WEEKEND. SO THAT MONDAY, I WAS DOWN AT THE COUNTY TO GET A FREEDOM OF INFORMATION RELEASE TO SEE IF ANYONE HAD BEEN SHOCKED AT THE POWER LINES.

JUST, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I HAD TO INVESTIGATE THIS BECAUSE I DIDN'T.

SO COME TO FIND OUT, YES, SOMEONE DID ON THE FOURTH.

SO WE'RE TALKING THE SATURDAY BEFORE A RESIDENT HAD THEIR DEFIBRILLATOR GET SHOCKED BACK BY THE POWER LINES, ONE CAN ONLY ASSUME IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE HIGH EMF.

IF YOU GO TO HEART.ORG, IT TELLS YOU VERY SPECIFICALLY TO STAY AT LEAST 100FT AWAY FROM THEM.

IT IS OKAY TO WALK PAST THEM, BUT YOU DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO BE HANGING OUT.

DINWIDDIE COUNTY ENCOURAGES YOU TO PARK UNDER THESE THINGS.

LET'S TALK THE NUMBERS. SO I WENT AND I GOT MY TESTER ALSO THAT MORNING, OKAY? SO MONDAY MORNING I GET MY TESTER, I GO AND I TEST READINGS AT THE FACILITY, OKAY? THERE ARE MANY, MANY SOURCES WORLDWIDE THAT SAY THAT YOU SHOULD BE AT .08 FOR LIKE A RESIDENTIAL EXPOSURE, MAINLY BECAUSE OF CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN AND STUFF, OKAY? THE MIDDLE OF THE SOCCER FIELD AT A LOW LOAD TIME WAS 0.78.

WE'RE TALKING TEN TIMES MORE THAN A LOW LOAD TIME DURING SOCCER WHEN OUR CHILDREN ARE PLAYING THERE.

IT'S A HIGH LOAD TIME, OKAY? UNDERNEATH THE POWER LINES AT THAT SAME TIME.

LOW LOAD, MIND YOU, THEY'RE ALL CRACKLING AND MAKING ALL THE NOISE THAT EVERYONE SAYS IS NORMAL.

IT'S 78.8. OKAY, NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT WHIRLPOOL MICROWAVE.

JUST BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. IF YOU LOOK AT WHIRLPOOL MICROWAVES RECOMMENDATION ON A MICROWAVE, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SAY TWO FEET AWAY AT ALL TIMES.

THIS DEVICE DETECTS THE RADIATION FROM A MICROWAVE.

SO I PUT IT UP NEXT TO THE GLASS ON MY MICROWAVE.

I PULL IT AWAY, OKAY? SIX INCHES AWAY FROM THE MICROWAVE IS ABOUT 78.8.

SO THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN GOING TO THIS FACILITY FOR TEN YEARS HAVE BEEN JUST COOKING THEMSELVES.

THERE ARE PROBABLY COUNTLESS OF IMD CASES OF MALFUNCTIONING INSULIN PUMPS.

SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS OUR COUNTY GOES THERE. I WAS ABLE TO CEASE THROUGH PARKS AND RECS.

THEY WERE TRYING TO SEND US BACK TO PLAY THERE TO FINISH THIS TOURNAMENT.

I AM CALLING ON AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION BECAUSE CLEARLY IT'S GOING TO BE A BIASED INVASION.

THEY'RE SLOW TO ACT. I WOULD ONLY HOPE THAT IF OUR COUNTY HAD THIS HAPPEN AND SOMEONE WAS PRESENTING THIS EVIDENCE, YOU WOULD STOP UNTIL IT WAS DEEMED SAFE. THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT.

THEY ARE CONTINUING TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO GO EXPOSING.

THIS IS PROVEN SCIENCE. MR. [INAUDIBLE], I HAVE TO ASK YOU TO WRAP UP, SIR.

NO, SO WE'RE GOOD. BUT THERE IS LIABILITY. THERE'S CULPABILITY.

WE REALLY SHOULD ANNOUNCE THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO SEND OUR PEOPLE THERE UNTIL IT IS DEEMED SAFE.

THERE IS PROVEN SCIENCE HERE. PROVEN SCIENCE.

AND SOMEONE. WE GOT ELECTROCUTED, LIKE THIS IS.

SIR, I HAVE TO STOP YOU. WE'RE GOOD. SO WE'RE GOOD.

I SENT INFO, WE'RE GOOD. LASTLY, I SEND ALL THE INFORMATION TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.

WE CANNOT SEND OUR PEOPLE THERE. IT WILL BE DEVASTATING TO THE COUNTY IF WE DO.

LIABILITY, CULPABILITY. WE ARE AWARE OF THE SITUATION AND THE EVIDENCE IS PRESENT.

SIR. I WILL SEND YOU THE EMAIL WITH ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE.

MR. GOODMAN. YES. I'M REALLY BEING GRACIOUS TONIGHT.

NO, YOU'RE FINE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. YOU'LL GET MY EMAIL WITH ALL OF THE. NOT A PROBLEM. THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

MRS. KNOTT, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT HAS SIGNED UP WITH YOU? [INAUDIBLE]. OKAY.

GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, SIR. MY NAME IS [INAUDIBLE].

I LIVE AT 9801 KANAK DRIVE, DISPUTANTA, VIRGINIA.

A FRIEND OF MINE WHO SERVES AS A SMALL TOWN MAYOR ONCE TOLD ME HE HAS A SIMPLE RULE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

FOR EVERY ONE PERSON WHO SPEAKS, TEN OTHERS FEEL THE SAME WAY, BUT THEY STAY SILENT.

SO TONIGHT, I DON'T JUST REPRESENT MYSELF, I REPRESENT OVER 200 VOICES.

HERE IN MY HAND IS A PETITION ASKING THIS BOARD TO STRIKE OUT SUBPARAGRAPH B FROM THE PARKS AND REC POLICIES.

TO THE CREDIT OF TWO MEMBERS, MR. PUGH, MR. COX, THE CHANGE WAS MADE AS I'VE SEEN POSTED.

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THIS RULE WAS EXPLICITLY LINKED TO SILENCING WHAT WAS REFERRED TO AS CHRISTIAN SPEECH.

ON OCTOBER 14TH, WHEN MR. COX ASKED IF A PLAYER COULD WEAR A PERSONAL SWEATBAND WITH JOHN 14:6 ON IT, THE RESPONSE WAS NO. THAT WOULD BE CHRISTIAN SPEECH.

CLEAR CHRISTIAN SPEECH. YET WE OPEN THE BOARD MEETING WITH A PRAYER.

WHEN I HEARD THOSE WORDS, I THOUGHT OF THE APOSTLE PAUL IN ACTS 17, GRIEVED TO SEE A CITY FULL OF IDOLS.

LIKE PAUL, I FELT THE SAME HEAVINESS. HEARING THE CHRISTIAN SPEECH WASN'T WELCOME IN THE VERY PLACES WHERE CHILDREN SHOULD BE LEARNING WHAT IS GOOD AND RIGHT.

CHRISTIAN SPEECH ISN'T HATEFUL. IT'S NOT COERCIVE.

IT'S ABOUT VALUES SUCH AS LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, KINDNESS, GOODNESS, FAITHFULNESS, GENTLENESS, AND SELF CONTROL.

THAT'S THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT. GALATIANS 5. IT'S WHAT I TEACH KIDS ON THE SOCCER FIELD EVERY WEEK.

FORGIVENESS WHEN SOMEONE MESSES UP A PLAY. KINDNESS WHEN SOMEONE FEELS LEFT OUT.

ENCOURAGEMENT WHEN A GAME OR CALL DOESN'T GO OUR WAY.

THOSE ARE VALUES, HANDS DOWN. EVERY PARENT IN THIS COUNTY WANTS THEIR CHILD TO LEARN, AND THAT'S WHAT I TEACH ON THE FIELD.

IN A WORLD FULL OF BULLYING, CHRISTIAN SPEECH OFFERS THE SOLUTION.

TEACHING KIDS TO LIFT EACH OTHER UP INSTEAD OF TEARING THEM DOWN.

ULTIMATELY, CHRISTIAN SPEECH IS ABOUT LOVING GOD AND LOVING YOUR NEIGHBOR, WHICH IS WHAT JESUS SAID WAS THE GREATEST COMMANDMENT.

I GOT 30S. I'LL WRAP IT UP. JESUS ALSO SAID THE WORDS OF JOHN 14:6 I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE. NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME.

THAT'S NOT A MESSAGE OF EXCLUSION. THAT'S AN INVITATION FOR ALL TO REPENT AND RECEIVE GRACE AND MERCY.

SO LET'S NOT SILENCE CHRISTIAN SPEECH. LET'S BE ACCOUNTED, IT UPHOLDS THE CONSTITUTION, HONORS FREEDOM, SUPPORTS THE KIND OF SPEECH THAT TEACHES OUR CHILDREN TO LOVE OUR NEIGHBORS AS OURSELVES. THANK YOU.

I YIELD BACK THE NO TIME THAT I HAVE LEFT. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MRS. KNOTT, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT HAS SIGNED UP WITH YOU? YES, SIR. ONE MORE. [INAUDIBLE], I THINK IT'S [INAUDIBLE].

GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS [INAUDIBLE].

I LIVE AT 8004 HOLDSWORTH ROAD, DISPUTANTA, VIRGINIA.

I COULD STAND HERE AND LIST THE REASONS WHY THE JERSEY MY SON IS WEARING TONIGHT IS OUR PROPERTY AND NOT THE REC DEPARTMENT'S PROPERTY. I COULD, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

I COULD STAND HERE AND. HOLD ON, I LOST WHERE I'M GOING.

I'M SORRY. I'M GOING TO START OVER BECAUSE I THINK I HAVE TIME.

I COULD STAND HERE AND LIST THE REASONS WHY THE JERSEY MY SON IS WEARING.

IT'S NOT THE PROPERTY OF THE REC DEPARTMENT, AND WHY PUTTING THE BIBLE REFERENCE ON THE BACK OF IT IS WITHIN MY RIGHT AS A PARENT. BUT I'LL NOT WASTE YOUR TIME. I COULD STAND HERE AND DEBATE WHETHER IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL TO REGULATE WHAT PERSONAL CLOTHING MY CHILD WEARS AT PRACTICE OR AT GAMES, AND THAT ENRAGES ME AS A PARENT.

BUT I WILL NOT. WHAT I AM GOING TO DO IS TAKE THE TIME TO SHOW YOU WHO JESUS IS.

HE IS KIND. HE IS MERCIFUL. HE IS GRACIOUS. HE IS LOVING.

HE WAS SENT TO SAVE US FROM OUR SINS AND LOVES US SO MUCH THAT HE DIED SO THAT WE COULD LIVE SO THAT WE COULD WEAR JOHN 14 ON OUR CLOTHING HUMBLY.

I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH THIS. HE IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE.

NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH HIM.

AND I THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. MISS KNOT, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT HAS SIGNED UP WITH YOU? NO, SIR MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY. MR. [INAUDIBLE], IS THERE ANYBODY THAT´S VIRTUAL? NO, SIR. OKAY. SO I'LL TURN TO THE AUDIENCE HERE IN THE ROOM.

IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP? THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT TIME.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. YOU NEED TO STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND THEN THE TIME WILL START THEN.

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YES, MA'AM. GOOD EVENING, BOARD. GOOD EVENING.

[INAUDIBLE], 8711 SECOND COURT, DISPUTANTA VIRGINIA.

PRINCE GEORGE PARKS AND REC CALENDAR HAS A LOT OF EVENTS TO NOTE.

WE HAVE CHRISTMAS EVENTS, CHRISTMAS CAR CONTESTS, SANTA CALLS, ANNUAL TREE LIGHTING, CHRISTMAS DECORATION AND DISPLAY CONTESTS, BREAKFAST WITH SANTA, CHRISTMAS PARADE. RESIDENTS ARE ENCOURAGED TO ENTER THE EVENTS.

TO ENTER THESE CONTESTS, THEY ARE TOLD TO ENJOY THE DRIVE THROUGH THE CHRISTMAS LIGHT ROUTE.

IN PERSON. I GUESS THESE EVENTS HAVE NOT YET OFFENDED ANYONE TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION, OR TO REQUIRE LEGAL COUNSEL TO REVIEW TO AVOID OFFENDING ANYONE. I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF THE RULES.

THIS ATTEMPT TO CURTAIL PUBLIC EXPRESSION FEELS LIKE A WIND BLOWING FROM THE COMMUNIST SOVIET UNION, WHICH I AM PAINFULLY FAMILIAR WITH. GROWING UP, WE WERE ALWAYS TOLD WE'RE FREE TO HAVE A RELIGION FOR AS LONG AS IT WAS EXPRESSED WITHIN THE CONFINES OF A GOVERNMENT SET BOUNDARIES. PRINCE GEORGE, VIRGINIA, SHOULD NOT BE TAKING NOTES FROM A COMMUNIST HANDBOOK.

THE RULES, AS WERE WRITTEN AND ADOPTED TWO WEEKS AGO, WERE CONFUSING AT BEST.

PARK AND REC DIRECTOR COULD NOT, ON HIS OWN WORDS, EXPLAIN WHAT HE WILL BE ENFORCING.

IF THE RULES ARE SO AMBIGUOUS THAT AN AVERAGE PERSON CANNOT UNDERSTAND THEM, AND THE PARK AND REC CANNOT EXPLAIN THEM, THEY SHOULD NOT BE ON THE BOOKS. FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENTS HAVE PASSED PLAIN WRITING, PLAIN LANGUAGE LAWS THAT REQUIRE AGENCIES TO WRITE DOCUMENTS IN A WAY THAT THE INTENDED AUDIENCE CAN UNDERSTAND.

IT'S A COMMON STANDARD THAT IF A LAW AS WRITTEN IS NOT EASILY UNDERSTOOD, THEN IT SHOULD BE INTERPRETED IN FAVOR FOR THE CITIZEN.

IT ENSURES THAT THE CITIZEN HAS A FAIR WARNING OF WHAT CONDUCT IS PROHIBITED.

PEOPLE OF COMMON INTELLIGENCE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO GUESS THE LAW´S MEANING.

I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE OLD PARAGRAPH C IS STILL A PART OF THE RULE IN A POLICY AS OF THIS AFTERNOON THAT I CHECKED THE AGENDA.

IT HAS NO ACTIONABLE LANGUAGE. IT SIMPLY CARES ABOUT SOMEONE'S FEELINGS.

IT PURELY SOUNDS LIKE A GUILT RIDDEN, PREEMPTIVE STATEMENT THAT HAS NO PLACE IN A DOCUMENT, SUCH AS A POLICY OR RULE. IF LEFT IN PLACE, PARAGRAPH C, NOW NEW B, WILL LEAVE A DOOR OPEN FOR ANY FUTURE ATTEMPT TO RESTRICT PUBLIC RIGHT OF EXPRESSION. IF WE ALLOW AUTHORITIES TO OPERATE BASED ON SOMEONE'S FEELINGS, ANYTHING CAN BE INTERPRETED AS ALLEGEDLY OFFENDING TO SOMEONE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM.

I SEE NO ONE ELSE STANDING OFF TO THE SIDE WHERE I ASKED FOR PEOPLE TO BE IF THEY WANT TO SPEAK.

SO EITHER I NEED YOU TO MOVE THERE OR I'M GOING TO MOVE ON.

GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING SIR. MY APOLOGIES.

NO PROBLEM. [INAUDIBLE], 9750 BLACKWATER FARM LANE, DISPUTANTA.

I'VE KIND OF STAYED OUT OF THIS, WHICH IS VERY UNUSUAL FOR EVERYBODY THAT KNOWS ME ABOUT POLITICS IN THIS COUNTY.

AND I GUESS PART OF THAT'S BECAUSE OF MY YEARS AND TENURE AS A COACH OUT HERE, SPENT TEN YEARS ON THE JV AND VARSITY HERE.

AND SOMETHING I FIND INTERESTING IS WE NEVER HIT OUR FAITH.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I ASKED BECAUSE WE WERE WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL WAS, YOU KNOW, DO I HAVE TO HIDE WHO I AM, WHAT I BELIEVE? IS THERE SOMETHING HERE? AND THAT WAS NEVER A REQUIREMENT.

IN FACT, WE SHARED IT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF MOST FOLKS REALIZE THIS OR NOT, BUT SINCE I PLAYED FOOTBALL IN THE 80S, WE'VE BEEN OPENING UP OUR GAMES WITH THE LORD'S PRAYER.

I DIDN'T FORCE IT, DIDN'T IMPOSE IT, DIDN'T TELL THE PLAYERS THEY HAD TO DO IT, BUT WE OFFERED IT.

AND THE FIRST YEAR, SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IRONIC.

I COACHED A YOUNG MAN WHO WAS MUSLIM, AND ERIC WAS JUST A SUPER KID, AND HE WOULD ACTUALLY JOIN US IN PRAYER.

AND THAT MAY SOUND COMPLETELY UNUSUAL TO PEOPLE, BUT ERIC WOULD END.

WE WOULD END WITH AMEN, AND ERIC WOULD END WITH WHATEVER WAS THE APPROPRIATE PHRASES FOR HIM TO END PRAYER.

BUT HE PRAYED WITH US, AND I HAD A LOT OF TALKS WITH HIM BECAUSE I FOUND HIM VERY INTERESTING.

AND HE SAID, COACH, I DON'T HAVE TO BE OFFENDED BY WHAT YOU'RE PRAYING JUST BECAUSE I PRAY TO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

AND I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THAT JUST STUCK WITH ME. I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY SPECIAL. SOMETHING ELSE THAT I WANT TO MENTION,

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I DON'T KNOW ABOUT PUTTING IT SPECIFICALLY TO THE UNIFORM.

DON'T WANT TO OFFEND ANYBODY BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO HIDE WHO I AM. MY FAITH IS VERY STRONG. BUT TO TAKE AWAY THE RIGHT OF A YOUNG PERSON FROM PUTTING IT ON WRISTBANDS, HEADBANDS, SOCKS, SHOES, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, I THINK WE'RE STEPPING WAY TOO FAR, AND I THINK WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN THIS COUNTRY TALKING ABOUT CHURCH AND STATE AND SEPARATION.

THE IRONY OF THAT IS, I DON'T THINK THOSE WORDS ARE ACTUALLY IN OUR CONSTITUTION.

AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE HERE, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO CONSIDER WHAT THE INTENT OF THOSE THAT WROTE THE CONSTITUTION WAS, GO BACK AND READ THE LETTERS BETWEEN ABIGAIL ADAMS AND JOHN ADAMS. ABIGAIL QUESTIONED HIM, AND THEY WERE VERY CLEAR AS TO THE FACT THAT IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO SEPARATE THE CHURCH FROM BEING INVOLVED WITH GOVERNMENT. IT WAS TO KEEP AWAY WHAT MISS [INAUDIBLE] WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, THE GOVERNMENT FROM INFLUENCING RELIGION.

WE WERE NOT GOING TO ALLOW A STATE RUN RELIGION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE BROKE AWAY FROM.

THAT'S WHAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE CAME HERE FOR.

SO WE NEED TO BE REAL CAREFUL HOW FAR WE GO, AND WE NEED TO BE REAL CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT.

WE ALL KNOW WHAT ACTUAL OFFENSIVE SPEECH IS, AND YOU CAN TAKE THINGS FROM.

I SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN ASIA. BUDDHISM. YOU CAN TAKE THINGS FROM MUSLIM RELIGION.

YOU CAN TAKE THINGS FROM MANY RELIGIONS, AND YOU CAN MAKE IT OFFENSIVE THE SAME WAY AS PEOPLE WILL TAKE SOMETHING FROM THE CHRISTIAN FAITH AND MAKE IT OFFENSIVE WHEN IT REALLY ISN'T. IT'S JUST A BELIEF. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, ESPECIALLY ON THIS, TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER POLICY WE HAVE DON'T TAKE AWAY THE ABILITY TO EXPRESS INDIVIDUALLY BECAUSE NO COLLEGES DO. NO HIGH SCHOOLS DO.

WE DON'T TAKE THAT AWAY FROM OUR KIDS. WE LET THEM EXPRESS THEIR FAITH.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. OKAY, I SEE NO ONE ELSE THAT'S UP TO THE SIDE. SO AT THIS TIME I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, AND I'LL GIVE YOU TIME TO ADJUST THE MICS AS YOU NEED TO.

OKAY. SO THE NEXT THING THAT WE MOVE INTO IS OUR

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SECOND. IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MRS. WAYMACK AND SECOND BY MR. PUGH, THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, AS SO STATED IN BOARD DOCS WITH THE ITEMS THAT ARE INCLUDED ON IT.

YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. ARE YOU READY FOR ANY QUESTIONS? MRS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? MR. WEBB. YES, MR. PUGH. YES, MR. COX. YES. MRS. WAYMACK. YES. MR. BROWN. YES. MOTION CARRIED.

NOW, WE MOVE INTO OUR COMMENTS AND WE'LL START WITH SUPERVISOR COMMENTS.

[E. Comments]

NOTHING TONIGHT, SIR. THANK YOU. OKAY, I'LL MOVE TO MY LEFT, MR. COX. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. GLAD TO SEE A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE ON A RAINY DAY, BUT I THINK WE'RE ALL HERE FOR A GOOD REASON.

SO I DO WANT TO. LAST MEETING WE HAD, I MENTIONED THE SUBARU ADOPTION DAYS AT OUR ANIMAL COMPOUND.

I'LL CALL IT THE SHELTER. MR. PUGH AND MYSELF WENT UP AND WE HAD AN ENJOYABLE DAY WITH THEM COOKING LUNCH FOR EVERYBODY THAT CAME TO ADOPT AND PEOPLE THAT WORKED. BUT THE BEST PART OF THE DAY WAS WE ADOPTED 21 ANIMALS.

WE HAD 14 CATS ADOPTED AND SEVEN DOGS. SO THAT WAS A GREAT DAY THAT WE GOT TO SEND 21 ANIMALS HOME TO THEIR FOREVER HOME.

SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THE PEOPLE THAT PARTICIPATED, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE MORE DAYS COMING LIKE THAT AND WE'LL HAVE MORE ANIMALS GOING HOME. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. MISS WAYMACK? YES, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND FOLKS THAT THE PEOPLE IN JAMAICA HAVE HAD A TERRIBLE CATASTROPHE HAPPEN TO THEM.

SO PLEASE KEEP THEM IN YOUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM. MR. PUGH? GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.

I'M GLAD TO SEE EVERYBODY CAME OUT FOR THEIR SUPPORT ON THE ISSUES ON THIS AGENDA TONIGHT.

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AND I THINK WE'VE JUST BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT. SO THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT RIGHT NOW.

OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. I WANT TO SAY WELCOME AND THANK YOU TO ALL OF THOSE THAT HAVE COME OUT THIS EVENING.

AS I MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING, I HAD LOST AN UNCLE, AND WE ACTUALLY BURIED HIM ON SUNDAY.

ON SATURDAY, EXCUSE ME. SO THAT WAS A PRETTY TOUGH DAY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE MAKE IT THROUGH IT JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU DO.

SO WE'LL KEEP MOVING. AND OUR FAMILY IS BEING STRONG.

I WOULD JUST CAUTION EVERYONE WITH ALL THIS RAIN.

THE RAIN IS COMING IN EVEN HEAVIER TONIGHT. PLEASE BE CAREFUL.

I'VE HEARD ALREADY THERE'S BEEN SOME WIRES DOWN, TREES DOWN AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO PLEASE BE CAREFUL, ALONG WITH DEER OUT THERE LIKE CRAZY RUNNING AROUND.

SO PLEASE BE CAREFUL. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. SO AT THIS TIME, WE'LL ASK OUR DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, MISS DREWRY, FOR OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S COMMENTS.

GOOD EVENING, MISTER CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

I JUST HAVE A FEW DATES THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC.

OF COURSE, THIS FRIDAY IS HALLOWEEN. AND OF COURSE, TRICK OR TREATING WILL OCCUR FRIDAY EVENING.

THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT MEETING THAT WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FOR TOMORROW EVENING WAS CANCELED.

THE COMMITTEE WAS ABLE TO COMPLETE THEIR SCORING OF THE CAPITAL PROJECTS AND FORWARD THAT TO OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR TO HAVE SOME ASSISTANCE IN EVALUATING THE DEBT IMPACT FOR OUR CAPITAL NEEDS.

THIS COMING SATURDAY, SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 1ST IS IN PERSON VOTING HERE IN THIS BUILDING AND THE REGISTRAR'S OFFICE ON THE SECOND FLOOR BETWEEN 9 A.M. AND 5 P.M. AND OF COURSE EASTERN STANDARD TIME DOES BEGIN EARLY SUNDAY MORNING, WHERE WE FALL BACK AN HOUR.

ELECTION DAY IS TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 4TH, AND ALL PRECINCTS WILL BE OPEN BETWEEN 6 A.M.

AND 7 P.M. ELECTION DAY IS A COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA HOLIDAY, SO OUR GOVERNMENT OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED FOR MOST OF OUR COUNTY WORKERS. ANOTHER DATE, THERE IS A SCHOOL BOARD MEETING ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER 10TH, AND AGAIN, COUNTY OFFICES ARE CLOSED ON TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 11TH FOR THE VETERANS DAY HOLIDAY.

AND OUR NEXT BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING WILL BE TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 25TH.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

OH, THAT'S RIGHT, YOU DO HAVE. I'M SORRY. OUR NEXT MEETING IS NOVEMBER THE 12TH.

TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 12TH. WEDNESDAY. WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 12TH, AFTER THE VETERANS DAY HOLIDAY.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. CHAIRMAN. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MA'AM. WE'LL NOW MOVE INTO OUR REPORTS.

[F. Reports]

MR. COX. THANK YOU, SIR. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN.

AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS THE QUARTERLY REPORT FOR THE FIRST QUARTER OF OUR FISCAL YEAR 2026.

THAT QUARTER ENDED ON SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 2025.

I'LL WAIT FOR THE POWERPOINT TO QUEUE UP. THANK YOU, MR. [INAUDIBLE].

OKAY. FIRST WE LOOK AT OUR GENERAL FUND REVENUES.

THOSE REVENUES AT THIS TIME OF YEAR ARE MINOR IN COMPARISON TO THE AMOUNT THAT WE BUDGETED.

THEY ARE IN LINE WITH OUR YEAR TO DATE COLLECTIONS FOR THE LAST TWO FISCAL YEARS AT SEPTEMBER 30TH.

THEY ARE AT 5.87%. THERE ARE NO ITEMS OF SIGNIFICANT CONCERN AT THIS POINT.

I WILL MENTION A FEW THINGS AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE PRESENTATION ON SOME OF THE FINAL SLIDES ABOUT THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF THE FEDERAL SHUTDOWN.

BUT RIGHT NOW, OUR REVENUE COLLECTIONS ARE IN LINE WITH WHERE THEY WERE THIS SAME TIME LAST YEAR.

I AM GOING TO FOCUS A LITTLE BIT ON OUR LARGEST GENERAL FUND REVENUE SOURCE, WHICH IS OUR REAL ESTATE TAX REVENUE.

I KNOW THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF CONCERN OVER OUR ESTIMATED BUDGETED FY2026 REAL ESTATE REVENUE FROM THE

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OUR REVENUES WERE ESTIMATED BASED ON AN ESTIMATED LAND BOOK PRIOR TO APPEALS AND BOARD OF EQUALIZATION HEARINGS.

THOSE BILLS OR THOSE ESTIMATES ARE TO THE LEFT COLUMN.

WE ESTIMATED OR CALCULATED TAXABLE AMOUNT OF THAT ESTIMATED LAND BOOK WAS $36,832,648. AND THE AMOUNT THAT WAS ACTUALLY BUILT OUT IN OCTOBER WAS JUST $9,900 LESS THAN THAT. SO THOSE ESTIMATES WERE FAIRLY WELL ACCURATE.

WE DO NOT BUDGET AT 100% COLLECTION BECAUSE WE DO PROVIDE TAX RELIEF FOR THE ELDERLY AND DISABLED VETERANS AND OUR LINE OF DUTY ACT, AS WELL AS OUR SPOUSES OF THOSE KILLED IN THE LINE OF DUTY.

SO THOSE WE DO BUDGET ON A PERCENTAGE OF CALCULATED REAL ESTATE TAX REVENUE.

AND OUR ESTIMATES WERE GOOD BASED ON PRIOR YEAR TRENDS AND BEING CONSERVATIVE.

HOWEVER, OUR RELIEF DID GROW. THIS POWERPOINT, OF COURSE, WAS POSTED TO BOARD DOCS LAST WEEK AND IS AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC VIEWING.

BUT OUR CONCERN RIGHT NOW ISN'T REALLY WHAT WE ESTIMATED.

IT IS THE GROWTH AND THE RELIEF THAT WE PROVIDED.

AS YOU KNOW, THE BOARD PROVIDED SOME ADDITIONAL RELIEF FOR THE ELDERLY.

AND THAT RELIEF DID GROW BY 75% BETWEEN FY 25 AND 26.

OUR DISABLED VETERANS RELIEF ALSO GREW BY 22%.

SO AGAIN, OUR TOTAL RELIEF TAX RELIEF PROVIDED ON REAL ESTATE GREW BY 25%.

SO WHAT WE BUILD OUT LESS RELIEF IS ACTUALLY 118,000 LESS THAN WHAT WE PUT IN THE FY2026 BUDGET.

I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY CAUSE FOR ALARM. WE WILL MAKE THAT REVENUE UP FROM OTHER SOURCES.

HOWEVER, THAT IS 100% OF THE BILLABLE AMOUNT, SO WE WILL LIKELY FALL SHORT IN REAL ESTATE TAX COLLECTIONS BY A SMALL AMOUNT.

I DO HAVE SOME INFORMATION ON THAT TAX RELIEF FOR YOUR BENEFIT, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THE NUMBERS OF APPLICANTS, THE ELDERLY GREW BY 17. DISABLED VETERANS BY 43.

FROM 715 APPLICANTS TO 758. DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THIS SLIDE BEFORE I MOVE ON? ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MR. WEBB, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, SIR. OKAY. WE'RE GOOD MA'AM. OKAY. MOVING ON TO EXPENDITURES.

AGAIN, WE ARE VERY COMPARABLE TO WHERE WE WERE IN SEPTEMBER 30TH OF THE LAST TWO FISCAL YEARS.

THERE ARE NO AREAS OF ALARM. THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS THAT I WOULD CALL OUT.

AS THE BOARD KNOWS, WE ARE CONTRACTING FOR LEGAL SERVICES WHILE WE RECRUIT FOR A FULL TIME LEAD ATTORNEY.

SO THAT MAY BE ONE FUNCTIONAL DEPARTMENT WHERE WE DO OVERSPEND AND HAVE TO LOOK TO MAKING TRANSFERS OR REQUESTING FOR AN APPROPRIATION FROM ANOTHER SOURCE PRIOR TO YEAR END. AND OF COURSE, THAT MAY VARY DEPENDING ON WHEN WE ARE ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY HIRE THAT ATTORNEY.

ALSO WANTED TO JUST MENTION THAT WITHIN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND CODE COMPLIANCE, OUR PERMIT FEE REVENUE IS ACTUALLY EXTREMELY HEALTHY.

THERE IS AN UPTICK IN THAT REVENUE. WE HAVE COLLECTED 85% OF WHAT WE HAVE BUDGETED ALREADY IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

BUT MR. HARRISON IS ENGAGING SOME THIRD PARTY ASSISTANCE FOR SOME LARGE, COMPLEX PROJECT REVIEW, SO HE MAY ALSO HAVE NEED OF A CATEGORICAL APPROPRIATION IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO MAKE TRANSFERS WITHIN HIS DEPARTMENT.

UTILITIES. WE ARE OPERATING AT A OPERATING LOSS, WHICH IS SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN WE DID THIS SAME TIME LAST YEAR.

AND IT IS PREDICATED MOSTLY UPON THE SERVICES TO HOPEWELL DUE TO A CHANGE IN THE METER READ.

SO THAT IS ONE AREA WHERE WE MAY FALL SHORT WITHIN THE UTILITY, SELF-SUSTAINING ENTERPRISE FUND.

NON-OPERATING REVENUE IS AT AN INCOME OF 1.29 MILLION, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR, AND WE DO HAVE A POSITIVE CHANGE IN THAT POSITION.

CAPITAL PROJECTS. I KNOW THIS SLIDE ISN'T VERY READABLE, BUT I WILL FOCUS ON JUST A COUPLE OF PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

PUBLIC SAFETY RADIO PROJECT, OF COURSE, IS COMPLETE.

WE WILL UTILIZE WHATEVER IS REMAINING IN THAT LINE ITEM, ALONG WITH ACCRUED INTEREST, TO HELP US PAY FOR OUR THIRD PARTY OR OUR

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WE DO HAVE $2.517 MILLION WORTH OF SERIES 2019 BONDS ON HAND, POTENTIALLY TO CONSTRUCT A NEW STATION SIX OR TO USE TOWARDS THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW STATION SIX AND THE SLIDE OR THE BOTTOM PART OF THE SLIDE DOES RECAP WHERE WE HAVE BALANCES REMAINING OR WHERE WE ARE SEEING A DEFICIT IN CAPITAL PROJECT LINE ITEM.

WE WILL NEED TO MAKE A TRANSFER FROM UTILITIES CASH RESERVES TO ADDRESS THAT SHORTFALL, WHICH HAS BEEN CREATED BY EASEMENT COSTS. WE DO HAVE BALANCES WITHIN THE CIRCUIT COURT RENOVATION PROJECT, CIRCUIT COURT ROOM RENOVATION PROJECT AND CONVENIENCE STATION, WHICH WE DID NOT PURSUE.

WE WILL LIKELY BE BRINGING YOU A REQUEST IN NOVEMBER TO MAKE A TRANSFER FROM ONE OR BOTH OF THOSE CAPITAL ACCOUNTS TO ADDRESS AN URGENT NEED THAT WAS ARTICULATED BY MR. [INAUDIBLE] DURING OUR CIP PROCESS.

THE HUMAN SERVICES BUILDING IS IN NEED OF A NEW COOLING TOWER, AND THE CIP COMMITTEE AND STAFF FELT THAT THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED NOW RATHER THAN WAITING. THAT COST IS JUST UNDER $100,000, BUT MR. [INAUDIBLE] WILL BE PROVIDING YOU WITH INFORMATION ON AN UPCOMING MEETING.

SCHOOL PROJECTS. AGAIN, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF CAPITAL ACCOUNTS CREATED AND FUNDED BY FY2024 SCHOOL DIVISION CARRYOVER FUNDS. AND THIS SLIDE DEPICTS THE PROGRESS ON EACH OF THOSE PURCHASES AND CAPITAL PROJECTS.

THE TOURISM FUND, WHICH IS FUNDED BY OUR LODGING TAX AT HOTELS, IS VERY SIMILARLY POSITIONED TO WHERE WE WERE THIS SAME TIME LAST YEAR.

OUR REVENUES ARE ACTUALLY HEALTHIER. THERE WERE SOME FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT RENOVATIONS AT LOCAL HOTELS THAT WERE GOING ON LAST YEAR THAT HAVE BEEN RECENTLY COMPLETED, AND OUR EXPENDITURES ARE AT 21%, COMPARED TO 25% LAST YEAR.

SPORTS TOURISM ACTIVITIES ARE BUDGETED AT LESS AND SPENT LESS.

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUNDS, OR MEALS TAX COLLECTIONS, ARE JUST SLIGHTLY LESS THAN WHERE THEY WERE THIS SAME TIME LAST YEAR, 169,000, COMPARED TO 173,000. THIS YEAR'S BUDGET IS SUPPORTED BY A TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND, AND 25% OF THAT AMOUNT HAS BEEN TRANSFERRED.

EXPENDITURES ARE AT 21%. A DOLLAR AMOUNT IS VERY COMPARABLE TO WHERE WE WERE THIS SAME TIME LAST YEAR, AND REVENUES ARE LESS THAN EXPENDITURES FOR NOW.

CASH PROFFER BALANCES. WE HAVE COLLECTED A LITTLE BIT OF PROFFER COLLECTIONS THIS FISCAL YEAR, $34,430 FROM ONE NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT. AND OF COURSE, THE BOARD ALWAYS HAS THE OPTION TO USE PROFFER BALANCES FOR ALLOWABLE PROJECTS IN LIEU OF ISSUING DEBT.

HOWEVER, THAT AMOUNT IS JUST OVER 157,000. OUR HEALTH INSURANCE FUND HAS FALLEN BELOW A MILLION, WHICH IS OF SOME CONCERN. IT HAS DROPPED FROM 1.26 MILLION THIS SAME TIME LAST YEAR.

WE ARE BEING IMPACTED BY A COUPLE OF VERY HIGH CLAIMANTS.

ONE OF WHICH HAS ALREADY REACHED OUR STOP LOSS LIMIT OF $150,000 JUST THREE MONTHS INTO THE PLAN YEAR. WE ARE SEEING PRELIMINARY INDICATORS THAT WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUM INCREASE FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR. CLAIMS PAID OUT DURING THE LAST FISCAL YEAR WHERE WE DID EXCEED PREMIUMS BY 462,000.

AND AS OF JUNE OR SEPTEMBER 30TH, OUR CLAIMS PAID OUT HAVE EXCEEDED PREMIUMS BY JUST OVER 89,000.

SO LOOKING AHEAD, THE REAL ESTATE BILL IS COMPLETE.

AND OF COURSE, REAL ESTATE TAX BILLS HAVE BEEN MAILED OUT.

THE FIRST HALF IS DUE DECEMBER 5TH, SO THE NEXT QUARTERLY REPORT WILL BE A GOOD INDICATOR OF WHERE WE WILL FALL FOR THE YEAR.

WE SHOULD BE AT THE 50% MARK. THERE ARE A FEW FISCAL YEAR 2025 JOURNAL ENTRIES UNDERWAY.

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WE ARE HOPING TO MEET OUR AUDIT REPORT REQUIREMENT WHICH IS DUE BY CODE BY DECEMBER 15TH. HOWEVER, I WILL MENTION TO YOU BECAUSE OF THE FEDERAL SHUTDOWN, OUR AUDIT FIRM HAS NOT RECEIVED FINAL OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET COMPLIANCE SUPPLEMENT, WHICH IS KEY IN DOING SINGLE AUDITS ACROSS THE NATION.

SO AUDIT FIRMS ARE STRUGGLING AND THEY ARE USING LAST YEAR'S GUIDANCE AND PRELIMINARY GUIDANCE AS A BENCHMARK ON WHAT TO TEST AND WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE.

HOWEVER, THAT IS NOT ISSUED. AND WITH THE FEDERAL SHUTDOWN, EVEN IF IT OPENED BACK UP TOMORROW, THE AUDIT FIRMS SIMPLY DO NOT KNOW WHEN THEY WILL GET THAT FINAL GUIDANCE.

SO WHAT YOU MAY GET ON DECEMBER 9TH IS A DRAFT REPORT.

AGAIN, WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A SINGLE AUDIT BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF FEDERAL DOLLARS THAT WE AND THE SCHOOL DIVISION COLLECT.

AND WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR SINGLE AUDIT COMPLETED BY THE DEADLINE, IT CAN JEOPARDIZE GRANT FUNDINGS.

SO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN DOWN HAS LED TO THE OMB NOT ISSUING THAT GUIDANCE THAT IS NECESSARY FOR AUDIT FIRMS TO COMPLETE THOSE AUDITS.

SO I WILL MENTION THAT TO YOU. WE ALSO HAVE BEEN NAVIGATING THE POTENTIAL IMPACT WITH OUR SOCIAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT ON THAT FEDERAL SHUTDOWN.

AND THERE ARE TWO VERY SIGNIFICANT STATE AND FEDERAL REVENUE STREAMS, WHICH COULD COME TO A HALT IN NOVEMBER.

THOSE ARE YOUR PUBLIC ASSISTANCE AND YOUR WELFARE ADMINISTRATION DOLLARS AND TOTAL THOSE TWO REVENUE STREAMS, STATE AND FEDERAL FOR SOCIAL SERVICES ARE OVER $3 MILLION.

SO WE HAVE COLLECTED SOME PERCENTAGE OF THAT ALREADY.

WE THINK OUR OCTOBER COLLECTIONS WILL CARRY FORWARD BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT THAT THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES ALREADY HAS ON HAND FROM THE FEDS.

BUT WE COULD BE FLOATING ALONE FOR OUR SOCIAL SERVICES ACTIVITIES UNTIL THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REOPENS AND THE FUNDINGS FLOW. THERE IS ALSO SOME RISK THAT WE MAY NOT COLLECT THE FUNDS FOR EXPENDITURES MADE DURING THE SHUTDOWN.

THAT HAS BEEN FLOATED. WE DO NOT KNOW. ALL WE KNOW IS THAT WE DON'T KNOW A LOT.

THE INFORMATION THAT IS COMING COMES IN SPURTS AND IT UPDATES ROUTINELY.

BUT I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT FOR PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY AS A GOVERNMENT, THE SOCIAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT IS OUR LARGEST AGENCY THAT IS IMPACTED BY FEDERAL DOLLARS. WE DO HAVE SOME OTHER SMALLER GRANTS.

WE HAVE THE EPA GRANT THAT IS ASSISTING US IN CONSTRUCTING THE APPOMATTOX RIVER WATER LINE, THE UNDERGROUND WATER LINE. WE DID SUBMIT OUR SEPTEMBER 30TH REIMBURSEMENT REQUEST.

HOWEVER, IT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED, AND I HAVE FOLLOWED UP, AND NO ONE IS WORKING.

SO AGAIN, WE MAY NOT BE GETTING THOSE REIMBURSEMENTS IN A TIMELY FASHION.

HOWEVER, WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT WE WILL GET THEM AS EXPECTED, JUST LATE.

WE ALSO BILL FORT LEE FOR OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE 911 CENTER AND THE WORK WE DO FOR THEIR 911 CENTER.

WE DO NOT REMAIN HOPEFUL THAT WE WILL COLLECT THAT QUARTERLY BILLING ANYTIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

SO WE ARE FLOATING LOANS TO OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS AND HAVING A SUBSTANTIAL LAG IN SOME OF OUR FEDERAL REIMBURSEMENTS.

SO WE WILL, AS ALWAYS, MONITOR OUR REVENUES AND OUR EXPENDITURES.

AND OF COURSE, WE ARE GEARING UP FOR OUR FY2027 BUDGET PROCESS.

I KNOW YOU ALL CAN'T WAIT. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT BOARD MEMBERS MAY HAVE.

ANY QUESTIONS, MR. COX? MR. PUGH? MRS. WAYMACK? MR. WEBB, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, SIR.

OKAY. I'M GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE UNDER REPORTS IS A DISCUSSION OF THE SEWER PUMP STATION AT ROUTE 156 AND RUFFIN ROAD.

AND THIS WILL BE BY MISS LUMPKIN, OUR UTILITIES PROJECT ENGINEER.

GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. GOOD EVENING. SO THERE HAS BEEN SOME INTEREST IN DEVELOPING, PARTICULARLY THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT OF THIS INTERSECTION THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED.

WATER INFRASTRUCTURE IS READILY AVAILABLE OR ACCESSIBLE TO BE CONNECTED TO ONCE CAPACITY IS AVAILABLE,

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AS KIND OF A SUMMARY, THIS SLIDE MENTIONS SECTIONS OF THE ORDINANCE THAT APPLY TO DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY.

KEY POINTS ARE THAT DEVELOPERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR CONSTRUCTING CONSTRUCTING IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT AT THEIR OWN COST.

THEY WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR CREDITS FOR ANY OVERSIZING THAT IS REQUESTED TO MAKE THE INFRASTRUCTURE USABLE BY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, AND THROUGH AGREEMENT, THEY CAN RECEIVE PRO RATA PAYMENTS COLLECTED AS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OCCURS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE PAID IN ORDER TO USE THE NEW INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAS BEEN BUILT. SOME OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE IS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ALONG ROUTE 301 ON THE EAST SIDE OF 95. AS PART OF THIS, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO BUILD A SEWER PUMP STATION ON THE EAST SIDE OF 95 WITH LINES, WATER AND SEWER LINES CROSSING I-95 AND GOING BACK UP TO THAT EXIT 45 AREA WHERE WE CURRENTLY HAVE UTILITIES.

THIS HAS BEEN DETERMINED TO BE ABOUT A 275 ACRE SERVICE AREA FOR THAT PUMP STATION.

SO CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW FOR THIS PROJECT, THE SEWER SHED FOR THIS PUMP STATION SERVICE AREA HAS BEEN DETERMINED.

AND THE OFF SITE LINES THAT GO ALONG GRAVELBROOK ROAD HAVE BEEN DESIGNED AND THOSE PLANS ARE APPROVED.

THE NEXT STEPS FOR THIS WOULD BE FOR THE DEVELOPER'S ENGINEER TO DESIGN THE PUMP STATION, DESIGN THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL SITES, AND THEN CONSTRUCT ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS. AT THE END OF THE CONSTRUCTION, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE TURNED OVER TO THE COUNTY TO OWN AND OPERATE AND MAINTAIN.

FOR THE INITIAL STAGES, THE WET WELL, WHICH IS THE UNDERGROUND PORTION OF THE PUMP STATION THAT COLLECTS THE SEWAGE AND THEN PUMPS IT OUT FROM THERE, WOULD BE SIZED FOR THE ULTIMATE SIZE OF THE SERVICE AREA, BECAUSE THAT'S A PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S HARD TO INCREASE.

HOWEVER, THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PUT IN THE SIZE PUMPS THAT ARE NEEDED TO HANDLE THE FLOW INITIALLY.

AND THEN AS MORE DEVELOPMENT OCCURRED, THAT WOULD FEED INTO THIS PUMP STATION.

FUTURE DEVELOPERS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MAKE ANY IMPROVEMENTS OR UPDATES TO THE PUMP STATION AS NEEDED TO MEET THEIR DEMANDS.

ANOTHER SIMILAR ONE IS FOR THE RED HILL MOBILE ESTATES.

THEY ARE BUILDING A WASTEWATER PUMP STATION BECAUSE OF AN EPA CONSENT DECREE.

THEIR ON SITE TREATMENT HAS FAILED. THIS PUMP STATION IS ACTUALLY BEING DESIGNED AS A PRIVATE PUMP STATION THAT WILL BE OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY THE RED HILL MOBILE ESTATES UTILITY COMPANY UNTIL ANOTHER DEVELOPER HAS BEEN BUILT.

ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN BUILT THAT WOULD SERVE INTO THIS PUMP STATION.

SO RIGHT NOW THIS SEWER SHED HAS BEEN DETERMINED.

THE PLANS HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR THEM TO DO THEIR SEWER IMPROVEMENTS.

THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING ALL THE AGREEMENTS AND BONDING DONE TO START THE CONSTRUCTION.

THE NEXT STEPS ON THIS ONE ARE TO CONSTRUCT ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS.

THE PUMP STATION WILL STAY PRIVATELY OPERATED UNTIL THE NEXT DEVELOPMENT CONNECTS, AT WHICH TIME THE COUNTY WILL TAKE OVER.

SO THIS PUMP STATION IS BEING DESIGNED TO MEET ALL OF OUR DESIGN STANDARDS SO THAT WE CAN TAKE IT OVER IN THE FUTURE.

SO THE INTERSECTION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT HERE, THIS IS THE SERVICE AREA THAT COULD BE SERVED BY A PUMP STATION NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF ROUGH END ROAD AND PRINCE GEORGE DRIVE. THIS IS A MUCH LARGER AREA, SO IT IS A LITTLE OVER 1700 ACRES.

THE GREEN DOT IS A PROBABLE LOCATION OF WHERE THE PUMP STATION COULD BE LOCATED, BUT THAT DASHED OVAL IS.

IT COULD BE LOCATED ANYWHERE WITHIN THERE AND REASONABLY SERVE THAT AREA.

SIMILAR TO THE OTHER ONES THAT I HAD MENTIONED, THIS STATION COULD BE BUILT WITH A WET WELL THAT IS APPROPRIATELY SIZED TO ULTIMATELY SERVE THAT AREA, BUT WITH SMALLER PUMPS THAT COULD BE UPGRADED AS NEW DEVELOPMENT OCCURS.

THAT WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF FUTURE DEVELOPERS.

THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MAY DIRECT STAFF TO MAKE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE COUNTY, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE CODE SAYS, SO WE WOULD NEED TO CONSIDER HOW WE WOULD FUND THIS.

SOME OPTIONS THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED WOULD BE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, WHERE PROJECTS ARE CONSIDERED BY THE CIP COMMITTEE TO DETERMINE IF IT WOULD RECEIVE FUNDS,

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IF IT WERE TO BE FUNDED THROUGH UTILITY FUND RESERVES, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A MEANS TO PAY BACK THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THE CUSTOMER BASE THAT GENERATE THE FUNDS THAT ARE IN THE UTILITY FUND RESERVES, WOULD NOT RECEIVE A BENEFIT FROM THIS INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS BEING BUILT. AND THERE ARE SOME POTENTIAL WAYS THAT COULD BE PAID BACK TO THE COUNTY THERE THROUGH EITHER HIGHER CONNECTION FEES FOR THE FUTURE CUSTOMERS ON THIS PROJECT, DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES, SPECIAL TAXING DISTRICT OR MANDATING THAT EXISTING HOMES AND BUSINESSES THAT WOULD HAVE TO CONNECT TO THIS TO GENERATE FLOWS AND REVENUES AS THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS EXTENDED IN THE AREA WHERE THOSE EXISTING HOMES AND BUSINESSES ARE.

THIS MAY REQUIRE A CODE CHANGE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE CODE DOES NOT REQUIRE EXISTING STRUCTURES TO CONNECT ONCE A UTILITY BECOMES AVAILABLE.

SO SOME OF THE BENEFITS AND RISKS OF THE COUNTY PAYING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT.

BENEFITS. IT COULD ENCOURAGE OTHER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS TO OCCUR IN THAT AREA SO THAT IT WOULD GENERATE TAX REVENUES OR IMPROVEMENTS. THERE HAS BEEN PRIOR INTEREST IN THIS INTERSECTION, INCLUDING BANKS, CONVENIENCE STORES, FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AND A GAS STATION.

HOWEVER, THE RISKS WOULD ALSO BE SETTING A PRECEDENT.

OTHER DEVELOPERS MAY COME AND REQUEST ASSISTANCE FROM THE COUNTY TO PAY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.

IT BYPASSES THE CIP PROGRAM, AND THE COUNTY WOULD BE BURDENED TO MAINTAIN AN ASSET THAT INITIALLY WOULD ONLY BE USED BY A SINGLE DEVELOPMENT OR A SINGLE USER. AND THAT IF THE BOARD WERE TO DECIDE ON APPROVING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, SHOULD CONSIDER TRANSFERRING THE RISK TO THE DEVELOPER THROUGH AGREEMENTS. SO THIS AREA DOES FALL WITHIN THE COUNTY CENTRAL SYSTEM AND JUST KIND OF BRIEFLY COVER WHERE WE ARE WITH CAPACITY AVAILABILITY RIGHT NOW.

IN OUR CENTRAL SYSTEM, WE DO HAVE JUST SLIGHTLY OVER 43,000 GALLONS PER DAY AVAILABLE IN WATER CAPACITY.

THE SEWER FLOWS DO GO IN TWO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS THROUGH THE SYSTEM.

THE PORTION THAT GOES TO PETERSBURG, WE HAVE THROUGH AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY AT THE 460 CONNECTION IN PETERSBURG, WE HAVE ABOUT 400,000 GALLONS PER DAY AVAILABLE.

AND BY AGREEMENT, GOING INTO THE CITY OF HOPEWELL, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 1.3 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.

THE OTHER AREA THAT WE HAVE POTENTIAL FOR GROWTH IS THE ROUTE 301 SYSTEM, AND FOR BOTH WATER AND BY THE WATER, LIMITED BY THE GROUNDWATER WITHDRAWAL PERMIT WITH DEQ.

AND FOR THE SEWER, BY AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF PETERSBURG, WE HAVE ABOUT 125,000 GALLONS PER DAY AVAILABLE FOR EACH OF THOSE TWO UTILITIES IN THAT AREA. THESE NEXT FEW SLIDES WILL SHOW WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY AS POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S IN PROGRESS AT VARIOUS STAGES IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN RIGHT NOW, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE POTENTIAL COULD BE FOR DEMANDS ON OUR SYSTEMS IF ALL OF THESE PROJECTS WERE TO DEVELOP.

AND I WON'T GO THROUGH A LOT OF DETAIL THROUGH THESE JUST TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION.

RIGHT NOW, IF ALL OF THESE PROJECTS WERE TO PROGRESS AND TO DEVELOP, WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR A WATER SYSTEM DEMAND OF ALMOST 630,000 GALLONS PER DAY, EVEN WITH THE PROJECTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE UNDER CONSTRUCTION TO INCREASE OUR AVAILABLE CAPACITY.

THAT USES ALMOST HALF OF IT, OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE OUR CAPACITY AT.

FOR THE PROJECTS THAT FLOW TO PETERSBURG, IT USES A LITTLE OVER HALF OF WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.

AND FOR THE PROJECTS THAT WILL FLOW TO HOPEWELL, IT USES ABOUT A THIRD OF WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.

IN THE 301 SYSTEM, WITH A PLAN THAT IS CURRENTLY CLOSE TO APPROVAL AND WITH SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, WE HAVE A LITTLE LESS THAN 20,000. WE WOULD HAVE A LITTLE LESS THAN 20,000 GALLONS PER DAY AVAILABLE IF ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS WERE TO PROGRESS.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DOES ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS LUMPKIN? AND I'LL START TO MY LEFT, MR. COX? NO, MR. PUGH? I CAN COME BACK IF YOU'RE LOOKING. COME BACK. OKAY. YEAH. COME BACK. MISS WAYMACK, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MR. WEBB, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IT'S A LOT TO ABSORB.

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OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. CAN YOU GO TO SLIDE 8? THIS ONE? YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE 400,000 GALLONS PER DAY TO SEND TO PETERSBURG, CORRECT? AM I READING THAT RIGHT? BY AGREEMENT, WHERE WE CAN SEND A MILLION THROUGH THAT CONNECTION AT 460, WE AVERAGE ABOUT 600,000 A DAY THROUGH THAT CONNECTION.

OKAY. AND THEN WE HAVE 1.3 MILLION SEWER. THAT'S CORRECT. WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF HOPEWELL FOR 2 MILLION.

WE'RE SPENDING ABOUT 700,000 GALLONS A DAY. OKAY.

IF WE WERE TO DO THIS STATION ON THE CORNER, WHAT POTENTIAL IS THAT OPENING UP? IS THAT GOING TO EAT UP THAT 1.3 GOING TO HOPEWELL, OR IT ONLY MATTERS WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT COMES? IT IS POSITIONED WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY PUMP IN EITHER DIRECTION.

SO WITH THE FORCEMAIN THAT'S THERE, WE COULD PUMP TO HOPEWELL OR WE COULD PUMP DOWN TOWARDS PETERSBURG.

SO IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT DEVELOPS THERE AND WHAT KIND OF FLOWS THEY'RE GOING TO GENERATE.

OKAY. ULTIMATELY THE ENTIRE AREA COULD EXCEED THE CAPACITY WE HAVE AT BOTH LOCATIONS.

OKAY. MR. BROWN, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT? YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO DO ANYTHING, IF WE WANT TO DIRECT STAFF TO GET MORE INFORMATION.

BUT THERE IS NO ACTION ITEM FOR TONIGHT, SIR.

WHILE YOU'RE THINKING, I'M GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT, IF YOU DON'T MIND. YEAH. GO AHEAD. NO, I JUST. IT'S KIND OF IRONIC BECAUSE SOME OF THE PEOPLE SITTING IN THIS ROOM. MR. HALTOM, MR. ASHCRAFT WAS HERE AT THAT TIME, I THINK MYSELF, MR. WEBB. SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE WE MET ON THAT CORNER, IT'S MR. HALTOM, AT LEAST FOUR AND A HALF YEARS AGO OR MORE? AND THIS WAS THE TOPIC OF DISCUSSION BACK THEN.

IT WAS ABOUT WHETHER WE AS THE COUNTY WANTED TO JUMP START, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA.

AND HERE WE ARE NOW, ALMOST FIVE YEARS LATER, NOT HAVING DONE ANYTHING AND HAVING THE SAME DISCUSSION.

SO IT'S JUST KIND OF IRONIC THAT WE WERE HAVING THIS SAME DISCUSSION YEARS AND YEARS AGO.

AND THE BOARD, WE JUST DIDN'T GET THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD TO DO THAT BACK THEN.

BUT IT'S JUST, AGAIN, KIND OF IRONIC. I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, MR. BROWN. IF WE'VE BEEN SITTING ON IT FOR FIVE YEARS, WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND GET THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD TONIGHT AND MOVE FORWARD? I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. IT WAS UNDER REPORTS.

SO I MEAN, IF THE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE REPORTS OR SOMETHING AND IT WAS A CONSENSUS TO GIVE STAFF THE APPROVAL TO START WORKING IN THAT DIRECTION TOGETHER. WHATEVER WE NEEDED THEM TO GATHER.

OKAY. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO SAY, MR. HOLDEN? I SEE YOU GETTING UP AT THIS JUNCTURE.

WE WOULD NEED IS TO TO DEFINE WHAT THAT PROJECT COST MAY LOOK LIKE, HOW WE'RE GOING TO FUND IT.

IF THE BOARD DOES DECIDE TO LOOK INTO THIS FURTHER, THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST STEP THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO IS WHAT DOES THIS COST US? WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET. AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TOOLS ARE AVAILABLE TO.

WE KNOW WHAT THE TOOLS ARE. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TOOLS THAT YOU WANT US TO LOOK AT. YES, SIR. TO HELP FUND THIS PROJECT.

OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE A LOT OF PRIORITIES THAT THIS COUNTY HAS.

THE CIP PROGRAM HAS JUST ENDED, AND IT WILL BYPASS THAT FOR THE YEAR.

OR WE CAN RECONSIDER THAT AS WELL, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO US TO GO BACK AND REDO IT.

OKAY. SO WHAT WERE YOU THINKING, MR. PUGH? I WAS THINKING TO GET A CONSENSUS OF WHAT THIS BOARD WANTS TO DO.

YEAH, I MEAN, BUT WHAT WHAT WHAT WAS YOUR WHAT WAS YOUR RECOMMENDATION? HAVE BEEN, SIR. I'M SORRY, I MAY NOT. ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE WE'VE GOT GOING ON CURRENTLY.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IT COST TO BETTER MAKE A DECISION, BUT I DON'T WANT TO WASTE A BUNCH OF MONEY EITHER.

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CORRECT. SO, I MEAN, THE ONLY THING I KNOW TO DO IS MAKE A MOTION TO SEE IF THE BOARD EVEN WANTS TO GO FORWARD WITH IT.

RIGHT. WELL, AGAIN, BEING A REPORT, WE CAN GET A CONSENSUS FROM THIS BOARD.

OKAY. IF YOU WANT MR. HALTOM AND HIS DEPARTMENT TO GATHER COST ESTIMATES TO BRING BACK TO THIS BOARD FOR IT TO THEN BE DECIDED.

IF IT'S A PROJECT WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, OR WHAT THE FUNDING WOULD BE, OR D ALL OF THE ABOVE.

OKAY, THAT'S AND I'LL MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION THAT WE GET A BOARD CONSENSUS TO FIND OUT IF THIS BOARD WANTS HIM TO GET A PRICE ON WHAT THIS WOULD COST THIS BOARD. OKAY. IS THAT GOOD WITH YOU, MR. HALTOM? ALL RIGHT, SO, BOARD MEMBERS, JUST BY CONSENSUS.

IF YOU WANT MR. HALTOM DEPARTMENT TO MOVE FORWARD, GETTING THE INFORMATION ON COST ESTIMATES AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF.

SO I'LL START WITH YOU FIRST, MR. WEBB, ON YOUR CONSENSUS ON THIS.

CAN I MAKE A STATEMENT? YES, SIR. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM HAVING A CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD.

THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS WE'VE GOT TWO ISSUES AT HAND.

ONE IS THE BOARD SUBSIDY CHANGE HERE IN ANOTHER MONTH AND A HALF.

THE SECOND THING IS WE'VE GOT A SHORT REAL TIME SHORTFALL IN WASTEWATER, AND WE HAVEN'T DECIDED ON THAT.

AND THAT'S MY CONCERN. SO WE SPEND MONEY TO DO THIS, AND WE STILL GOT TO DEAL WITH THE OTHERS, WHICH IS GOING TO IMPACT THE ENTIRE COUNTY AND THE DEVELOPMENT CONTROL DEVELOPMENT FOR THE COUNTY GOING FORWARD.

THAT'S MY CONCERN. OKAY. SO, MR. HALTOM, LET ME JUST ASK, IN ORDER FOR YOU TO GATHER THIS INFORMATION, IS THIS HAVING TO GO AND SPEND MONEY WITH A CONSULTING FIRM OR ANYBODY TO GET THOSE ESTIMATES? AND I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE THE BOARD NEEDS TO KNOW THAT. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT LEVEL OF CERTAINTY YOU WOULD LIKE, IF YOU WANT SOMETHING OF MORE CERTAINTY. YES.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A BALLPARK RANGE, I BELIEVE STAFF CAN PROBABLY PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING BASED ON PREVIOUS ESTIMATES THAT WE HAVE TO TRY TO BRING THAT BACK TO YOU AND GIVE YOU A BALLPARK NUMBER. NOTHING WITHIN THE REALM OF ACCURATE.

BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE BELOW. I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE BALLPARK NUMBER.

I DON'T I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU THINK, MR. PUGH? I DON'T I WOULDN'T WANT HIM TO GO AND SPEND MONEY RIGHT NOW.

ABSOLUTELY NOT. I'M NOT FOR SPENDING MONEY. AND I'LL BE HONEST, AFTER MR. WEBB'S STATEMENT, I MAY HAVE TO SAY NO AT THIS TIME UNTIL WE FURTHER FIND OUT WHERE WE'RE GOING.

ALL RIGHT. I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO. I'D LIKE TO, BUT I WANT TO GET THE BOARD'S OPINION ON IT TO SEE WHAT OTHER BOARD MEMBERS THINK, THOUGH. THAT'S MY QUESTION. SO YOU STILL WANT ME TO DO THE CONSENSUS? OKAY. SO I KNOW. OKAY. YES, SIR. SO. SO I'LL START AGAIN.

MR. WEBB, WHAT'S YOUR YOUR FEELING ON THE CONSENSUS? ON A BALLPARK. I WILL GIVE YOU CONSENSUS. OKAY.

I WILL THEN GO TO MR. COX. NO. AND THEN I'LL GO TO MR. PUGH. OR I CAN GO TO MISS WAYMACK. NO, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I HAD A GOOD INTENTION OF DOING THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, AFTER HEARING MR. WEBB SPEAK, I ALMOST.

I'VE GOT TO SAY NO UNTIL WE FIND OUT WHAT WE'RE MEETING ON LATER TONIGHT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

OKAY. TO BE ABLE TO GO DOWN THIS RABBIT HOLE.

OKAY. AND MISS WAYMACK, I SAY NO AS WELL. WE HAVE ENOUGH GOING ON NOW WITH WATER.

OKAY. AND I'LL SAY YES, BUT THAT THE CONSENSUS RIGHT NOW IS NOT TO NOT TO MOVE FORWARD UNTIL WE GET A COUPLE OTHER THINGS IRONED OUT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. I AGREE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND.

FIVE YEARS AGO, Y'ALL SAID OUT THERE. THANK YOU.

OKAY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE NOW MOVING TO OUR ORDER OF BUSINESS.

[G. Order of Business]

AND WE'LL START WITH MR. ROTZOLL.

GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN BROWN. BOARD MEMBERS. MR. DREWRY. MISS. PASTOR. I REQUEST THAT THE BOARD CONSIDER THE REVISED PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY PARKS AND RECREATION ACTIVITY RULES INCLUDED IN YOUR BOARD PACKET,

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STAFF AND LEGAL COUNSEL HAVE REVIEWED AND RECOMMENDED THE RULES AS A MEASURE TO GUIDE ACTIVITY, BEHAVIOR, ATTIRE, EQUIPMENT USE, AND INCLEMENT WEATHER PLAY.

I REQUEST BOARD APPROVAL OF THE REVISED PRINCE GEORGE PARKS AND RECREATION ACTIVITY RULES AS SUBMITTED, AND PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ROTZOLL AT THIS POINT? LET HIM GIVE HIS PRESENTATION. OKAY. I THINK THAT WAS HIS PRESENTATION [LAUGHS].

YEAH. ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL GO WITH OUR LEGAL COUNSEL.

YES, SIR. YES, SIR. FROM FROM SANDY ANDERSON TO GET SOME INPUT ON SOME THINGS HERE.

SOME CLARITY ON SOME THINGS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

YES, SIR. MADAM VICE CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

COUNCIL AND MISS DREWRY THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

MY NAME IS COLIN SELTZER, FROM THE ATTORNEY FROM THE LAW FIRM OF SANDS ANDERSON.

IT'S A PLEASURE TO VISIT WITH YOU THIS EVENING AND TO DISCUSS WITH YOU AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THE PROPOSED POLICY CHANGES RELATED TO IN PARTICULAR UNIFORMS FOR STUDENT FOR YOUNG ATHLETES IN PARKS AND REC ACTIVITIES.

I WANT TO PREFACE MY REMARKS BY SAYING THAT THE INFORMATION I PROPOSE TO SHARE WITH YOU THIS EVENING IS INTENDED TO DESCRIBE, FOR THE BOARD AND FOR THE COMMUNITY, THE GUARDRAIL LEGAL LIMITATIONS FOR POLICY CHOICES THAT YOU ALL GET TO MAKE.

I'M NOT PROVIDING FOR YOU A POLICY RECOMMENDATION.

THAT, VERY RESPECTFULLY, IS THE BOARD'S RESPONSIBILITY, AND I'M THE WRONG PERSON TO ASK FOR IT.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE LEGAL RESTRICTIONS.

AND WHEN IT COMES TO THIS QUESTION ABOUT HOW THE UNIFORMS CAN LOOK, HOW THEY SHOULD BE DESIGNED, THE PRINCIPAL LEGAL CONSIDERATION, THE PRINCIPAL LEGAL FRAMEWORK THAT YOU OPERATE UNDER IS THE FIRST AMENDMENT OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION AND THE US CONSTITUTION, THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO IT.

THERE'S A TEMPTATION TO THINK, WELL, WE ONLY HAVE TEN AMENDMENTS IN THE ORIGINAL BILL OF RIGHTS.

HOW COMPLICATED COULD IT BE? I'M HERE TO TELL YOU IT CAN BE VERY COMPLICATED.

AND I WISH THAT IT WEREN'T. BUT IT IS. THE FIRST AMENDMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION GUARANTEES FIVE PRINCIPLE RIGHTS THE RIGHTS TO SPEECH, TO RELIGION, TO ASSEMBLY, TO PETITION YOUR GOVERNMENT AND TO THE PRESS.

AND THE RIGHT TO RELIGION ITSELF HAS TWO AS TWO COMPONENTS, BOTH THE FREE EXERCISE OF RELIGION AND THE PROHIBITION AGAINST THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A RELIGION BY THE BY THE GOVERNMENT. SO THERE'S ARGUABLY SIX RIGHTS THAT ARE PROTECTED BY THERE IS A OH I'M SORRY.

OKAY. THAT WAS ALL REALLY GOOD.

ALL RIGHT. THE SEVENTH, THE SEVENTH IMPORTANT LEGAL GUIDELINE THAT'S IMPORTANT, I THINK, FOR YOU ALL TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT IN ADDITION TO THOSE RIGHTS THAT PROTECT INDIVIDUALS RIGHTS TO SPEECH, THE GOVERNMENT ALSO HAS THE RIGHT TO SPEECH.

AND I'LL JUST SHARE WITH YOU AN EXAMPLE THAT CAME IN A VERY RECENT SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES OPINION.

IT STEMMED FROM A CASE INVOLVING THE DISPLAY OF FLAGS IN FRONT OF THE CITY HALL IN BOSTON.

AND THE COURT IN THAT CASE MADE THE OBSERVATION THAT IF THE CITY COUNCIL IN BOSTON WANTED TO PUT UP A FLAG TO CELEBRATE THE BOSTON RED SOX WINNING THE WORLD SERIES, THEY COULD DO THAT.

THAT WOULD BE GOVERNMENT SPEECH. IT WOULD BE AN ENDORSEMENT BY THE GOVERNMENT OF THAT SPEECH.

AND THE GOVERNMENT OF OF THE CITY OF BOSTON WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO ALSO PUT UP A FLAG CELEBRATING THE NEW YORK YANKEES.

RIGHT? BOSTON GETS TO CHOOSE WHICH SPORTS TEAM THEY WANT TO ROOT FOR.

IT GETS TO CHOOSE WHICH SPEECH AND MESSAGES IT WANTS TO COMMUNICATE.

THE SAME IS TRUE FOR THIS BOARD. AND WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE JERSEYS AND THE UNIFORMS THAT ATHLETES WEAR UNDER PARKS AND REC SUPERVISED AND IMPLEMENTED LEAGUES, THAT IS PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY GOVERNMENT SPEECH.

SO THE THING THAT APPEARS ON THE FRONT OF THE JERSEY, THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT LOGO, THAT'S GOVERNMENT SPEECH. AND BY REQUIRING IT TO BE ON SCHOOL UNIFORMS OR ON, I SHOULDN'T SAY SCHOOL UNIFORMS,

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AND THE GOVERNMENT IS EFFECTIVELY TELLING PEOPLE WHO PARTICIPATE, HEY, IF YOU WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN PARKS AND REC SPORTS, YOU HAVE TO WEAR THIS. YOU HAVE TO WEAR THIS UNIFORM.

AND THE FIRST AMENDMENT PERMITS YOU TO DO THAT.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE UNIFORMS IF YOU DON'T WANT THEM.

BUT IF YOU DO WANT THEM, YOU CAN REQUIRE THEM.

AND I MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS FOR LIKE MOST COMMUNITIES, HAS REQUIRED UNIFORMS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. IT'S PERFECTLY LEGAL. IT'S PERFECTLY LAWFUL TO PUT NUMBERS ON THE BACK.

IT'S PERFECTLY LAWFUL TO PUT THE NAMES OF PARTICIPANTS ON THE BACK OR THE FRONT.

YOU CAN REQUIRE ALMOST ANY MESSAGE YOU WANT. ONCE THE GOVERNMENT, HOWEVER, PUTS A MESSAGE ON A REQUIRED UNIFORM AND SAYS, HEY, LISTEN, IN ORDER FOR YOU TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS EVENT, YOU MUST WEAR GOVERNMENT MESSAGING. THEN THE NEXT QUESTION THAT ARISES IS, DOES THE GOVERNMENT'S REQUIREMENT THAT YOU WEAR THAT MESSAGING AFFECT OTHER RIGHTS THAT THE PERSON WEARING THE UNIFORM MIGHT HAVE. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE'S A POLITICAL MESSAGE OR A RELIGIOUS MESSAGE OR OTHER MESSAGE THAT PEOPLE HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO COMMUNICATE IF THEY'RE BEING REQUIRED TO COMMUNICATE THAT MESSAGE IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE IN THE ACTIVITY, THAT GIVES RISE TO THE RISK, AT LEAST, THAT SOMEONE WILL PERCEIVE THAT THEY ARE BEING COERCED TO SHARE A MESSAGE THEY EITHER DON'T BELIEVE, OR EVEN IF THEY DO BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE BEING REQUIRED TO SHARE THAT MESSAGE AT A TIME AND A PLACE THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO.

THAT KIND OF GOVERNMENT COERCION IS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE FIRST AMENDMENT IS DESIGNED TO PROTECT AGAINST. WHEN I SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THE REMARKS THAT THE FIRST AMENDMENT CREATES FIVE, SIX, SEVEN RIGHTS, AND THOSE RIGHTS CAN BE IN TENSION WITH EACH OTHER.

PART OF WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT IS, WELL, ON THE ONE HAND, YOU WANT TO GUARD AGAINST GOVERNMENT COERCION OF SPEECH.

AT THE SAME TIME, YOU WANT TO GUARD AGAINST LIMITING PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO SPEECH OF THEIR OWN.

WHAT THE COURTS HAVE SAID IS THAT WHEN IT COMES TO GOVERNMENT SPEECH ON GOVERNMENT PROPERTY, THE GOVERNMENT HAS BROAD LATITUDE TO REGULATE THAT SPEECH BY POLICY.

THE GOVERNMENT CAN'T GO OUT AND TELL INDIVIDUALS IN THEIR OWN SPACES, IN THEIR OWN PLACES, YOU MUST WEAR THIS OR YOU CAN'T WEAR THAT. THE GOVERNMENT CAN'T SAY THAT.

BUT WHAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN SAY IS ON OUR PROPERTY IN IN CONTEXTS THAT CREATE THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS IS GOVERNMENT APPROVED SPEECH, THE GOVERNMENT CAN REGULATE THAT. AND YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT THAT KIND OF THING HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

WE HAVE SCHOOL UNIFORMS IN DIFFERENT PLACES. WE HAVE ATHLETIC UNIFORMS IN DIFFERENT PLACES, AND THE ATHLETIC UNIFORMS FOR ALL KINDS OF TEAMS GET REGULATED.

IF SOMEBODY SAYS YOU'RE ON THE HORNETS AND THEY'VE GOT A PURPLE JERSEY.

WELL THEN YOU GOT TO WEAR THE HORNETS AND THE PURPLE JERSEY. THAT'S JUST THE REQUIREMENT.

GOVERNMENT GETS TO REGULATE THAT. WHAT THIS POLICY IS INTENDED TO DO IS TO MAKE CLEAR THAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOVERNMENT SPEECH AND INDIVIDUAL SPEECH.

SO WHAT GETS SET ON THE JERSEYS? WHAT IS PERMISSIBLE OR NOT PERMISSIBLE ON THE JERSEYS? BECAUSE THAT'S GOVERNMENT SPEECH. THIS BOARD CAN REGULATE.

WHAT THE BOARD MAY ALSO REGULATE IS OTHER APPAREL THAT TEAMS WEAR IF THAT APPAREL ONCE IT'S EITHER REQUIRED OR BROADLY USED CREATES THE IMPRESSION THAT IT'S GOVERNMENT SPEECH.

SO IF EVERYBODY ON THE TEAM HAD A HAT THAT WAS PROFESSIONALLY DESIGNED AND IT HAD THE SAME COLORS AND IT HAD THE SAME TEAM NAMES ON IT, AND IT LOOKED JUST LIKE THE UNIFORM, THEN THAT STARTS TO LOOK LIKE GOVERNMENT SPEECH ALSO.

AND THEN THE MESSAGING THAT'S ON THAT HAT STARTS TO LOOK LIKE GOVERNMENT MESSAGING.

AND SO THE BOARD CAN REGULATE THAT IF IT WISHES, IF THE BOARD CHOSE NOT TO REGULATE THE SPEECH AT ALL.

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THEN THE FIRST AMENDMENT WILL PROHIBIT THE BOARD FROM ANY KIND OF DISCRIMINATION BASED ON VIEWPOINT.

SO ONCE YOU OPEN IT UP TO EVERYBODY FOR EVERYTHING, THEN IT'S OPENED UP FOR EVERYBODY AND EVERYTHING.

YOU COULD HAVE A RELIGIOUS SPEECH ON IT. YOU COULD HAVE POLITICAL SPEECH ON IT. YOU COULD HAVE GAY PRIDE SPEECH ON WHATEVER IT IS SOMEBODY WANTED TO DO.

YOU COULD DO THAT. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES FOR ALL GOVERNMENTS THAT HAVE GOVERNMENT SPEECH OPPORTUNITIES IS TO FIND A WAY TO BALANCE THOSE FREE EXERCISE QUESTIONS, THOSE FREE SPEECH QUESTIONS WITH, AT THE SAME TIME, MAINTAINING THE KIND OF ORDER THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH ORDINARY GOVERNMENT SPEECH.

I WON'T TELL YOU THAT THAT THE POLICY ASSIGNMENT THAT YOU ALL HAVE TAKEN UP FOR YOURSELVES IS AN EASY ONE.

IT IS NOT ON THE MARGINS. IT CAN BE CONFUSING, BUT LET ME SHARE A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES THAT I THINK WILL SPEAK TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I'VE HEARD PEOPLE SAY IN THE COMMUNITY. IF A YOUNG PERSON WANTS TO WRITE A RELIGIOUS MESSAGE OR A POLITICAL MESSAGE ON THEIR SWEATBAND, OR ON THEIR HEADBAND, OR ON THEIR BAT OR LACROSSE STICK, OR ON THEIR SHIN GUARD OR THEIR SHOES, AND IT'S THEIR OWN PERSONAL CHOICE.

IF YOU WANT TO ALLOW THAT, YOU CAN ALLOW THAT.

THAT'S FINE. IF SOMEBODY SAID THAT IF YOU WANTED TO SAY, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO REGULATE THE SHIRTS AND THE SHORTS AND THE HATS, BUT THE REST OF THE OF THE UNIFORM IS UP TO ANYBODY ELSE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

THAT'S FINE. IT ISN'T SO MUCH THAT INDIVIDUALS HAVE A FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO CREATE MESSAGES ON THOSE GARMENTS.

IT'S THAT THE BOARD HAS SAID IN THIS CONTEXT, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE UNIFORM AND WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO REGULATE IT.

WHERE IT GETS TRICKY. WHERE I DO THINK THAT THE LINE IS DIFFICULT TO DRAW IS IF EVERYBODY ON THE TEAM WORE THE SAME HEADBAND, THE SAME SWEATBAND, THE SAME SHIN GUARDS THAT CONTAINED SPEECH ON IT, AND IT LOOKED LIKE A UNIFORM.

THEN IT STARTS TO LOOK LIKE GOVERNMENT SPEECH.

AND IF PEOPLE PERCEIVE THAT THEY HAVE TO WEAR THAT IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE, THEN THAT'S POSSIBLE COERCION.

AND EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T FEEL COERCED, IF IT IS IN FACT CREATING THE APPEARANCE OF GOVERNMENT SPEECH, THEN THE BOARD AND THE COUNTY HAVE TO DECIDE, IS THAT A MESSAGE WE IN FACT AGREE WITH, OR ARE WE COMMUNICATING TO THE WORLD A MESSAGE WE DON'T AGREE WITH BECAUSE IT APPEARS TO BE ON OUR UNIFORMS? THOSE BALANCES ARE POSSIBLE IN MY IN MY ESTIMATION.

THE POLICY THAT'S BEFORE YOU BALANCES THOSE CONSIDERATIONS AS REASONABLY AS THEY CAN BE DONE.

I APPRECIATE THAT PEOPLE'S SENSITIVITIES AROUND THE ISSUES ARE VERY ARE VERY HIGH AND UNDERSTANDABLY SO.

THE OTHER POINT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE IS THAT OUTSIDE THE CONTEXT OF THE UNIFORMS OUTSIDE THE CONTEXT OF GOVERNMENT SPEECH, THE FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTS EVERYBODY'S RIGHT TO SPEAK WHATEVER THEY WANT.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T CRY FIRE IN A CROWDED MOVIE THEATER. YOU CAN'T.

THERE ARE LIMITATIONS ON OBSCENITY AND INCITEMENT TO VIOLENCE.

I DON'T MEAN THAT YOU THERE'S NO LIMITATIONS ON THEM.

BUT THE RANGE OF THINGS WE GET TO SAY IN THIS COUNTRY IS VERY, VERY WIDE.

WHAT THIS POLICY ATTEMPTS TO DO IS DISTINGUISH DISTINGUISHED BETWEEN REGULATION OF GOVERNMENT SPEECH, WHICH THE BOARD HAS VERY WIDE LATITUDE TO DO, AND REGULATION OF PRIVATE SPEECH, WHICH THE BOARD HAS NO LATITUDE TO DO.

I REALIZE I'VE BEEN TALKING FOR SOME TIME. I HOPE I HAVEN'T CONFUSED THE ISSUE, BUT I'M VERY HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

DOES ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'LL START TO MY LEFT, MR. COX. NO, SIR. MR. PUGH. NO.

AND I THINK IT'S JUST A DECISION FOR US TO MAKE IT NOW.

OKAY. MISS WAYMACK, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NO. MR. MR. WEBB, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NO, SIR.

AND I DON'T EITHER. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT, FOR THAT EXPLANATION.

I WISH EVERY COURT THAT I APPEARED IN HAD SO FEW QUESTIONS.

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YES, SIR. SO, BOARD MEMBERS, YOU YOU SEE THE POLICY THAT'S IN FRONT OF US? THE ONLY. I'LL WAIT FOR JUST A SECOND. YES, MA'AM.

THE ONLY CHANGE TO WHAT'S IN BOARD DOCS AND WHAT THE BOARD MEMBERS DECIDED OR TALKED ABOUT IN THE BACK, IT WAS NOT DECIDED. IS THAT TO ALLOW THE LAST NAME? AND POTENTIALLY, IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WITH THE SAME LAST NAME, THEY CAN PUT THEIR FIRST INITIAL LAST NAME ON THE BACK.

AM I SAYING THAT CORRECTLY, MR. SCOTT? YES, SIR.

OKAY, SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WHILE WE WERE IN THE BACK.

SO THAT'S THE BIG DIFFERENCE THAT, YOU SEE, THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP FROM WHAT WAS IN BOARD DOCS EARLIER AS FAR AS THE POLICY.

SO WITH ANY QUESTIONS OR NO QUESTIONS AT THIS, WE HAVE A QUESTION.

I WOULD JUST SAY THAT MAYBE WE PUT INTO THE MOTION WHEN WE MAKE IT, THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO REGULATE THOSE HEADBANDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WELL, I THINK BY THAT LANGUAGE, KNOTT AND I'LL LOOK AT MISS PASTOR BY THAT, BY THAT INFORMATION NOT BEING IN THERE.

DOES THAT JUST OR THE POLICY THAT WAS ALREADY ADOPTED DID INCLUDE THAT LANGUAGE FROM PARAGRAPH B? WHAT'S BEEN UPLOADED AND PROPOSED IN BOARD DOCS IS STRIKING EVERYTHING IN PARAGRAPH B AND BELOW.

UNIFORMS. THERE IS A LIST OF EXCEPTIONS AS WELL.

SO THOSE HAVE BEEN STRUCK. THERE WERE SOME ADDITIONAL CHANGES AS WELL.

REQUESTED BY THE BOARD, SPECIFICALLY THE WORDS JERSEYS THAT APPEARED.

UNIFORMS. UNIFORMS AND THEN THE OTHER ADDITIONS CLOSER TO THE TOP, EXPECTED CONDUCT AND UNSPORTSMANLIKE BEHAVIOR.

CLARIFYING THE USE OF TOBACCO AND VAPE PRODUCTS ON FIELDS.

SO THAT IS WHAT IS BEFORE THE BOARD TONIGHT THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN ADOPTED.

RIGHT. SO WHAT WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT IS ADOPTING THE THE REVISED POLICY THAT IS IN BOARD DOCS.

IF THAT IS A MOTION, THAT'S. YES. IF THAT IS THE MOTION THAT THAT WOULD HIT THE FLOOR.

YEAH. SO WITH THAT, MR. PUGH, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE THAT WE DON'T NEED TO SPECIFY THAT SINCE THE THE WAY THAT WE'RE GOOD, WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR MISS PASTOR.

YES, SIR. DO WE NEED TO INCLUDE IN THE MOTION TO RESCIND THE PREVIOUS POLICY? I THINK AS LONG AS YOUR MOTION IS CLEAR THAT YOU ARE ADOPTING THE VERSION PRESENT TODAY TO BE THE NEW POLICY, TO BE THE NEW POLICY, AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER SPECIFICATION THAT'S NOT IN EITHER POLICY IS THE INCLUSION OF THE NAME, LAST NAME, FIRST INITIAL OR FIRST INITIAL AND LAST NAME.

YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT IN THE POLICY. IT'S NOT IN EITHER THE REVISED POLICY.

SO WE WOULD DEFINITELY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MOTION INCLUDES ADDING THAT TO THE POLICY.

SO ARE YOU READY FOR MOTION? I'M READY FOR MOTION.

ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE WE RESCIND THE PREVIOUS POLICY THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD ON THE 14TH, I BELIEVE, AND ADOPT THE NEW POLICY WITH THE INCLUSION OF NAMES ON THE BACK OF THE UNIFORM TO CONSIST OF THE LAST NAME AND POSSIBLY THE FIRST INITIAL. SECOND. SO IT'S BEEN MOVED IMPROPERLY SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MR. COX AND SECOND, BY MR. PUGH, THAT THE BOARD WOULD BE RESCINDING THE PRIOR POLICY AND THEY WE WOULD BE ADOPTING OR APPROVING THE CURRENT REVISED POLICY WITH ALSO THE INCLUSION OF ADDING THE LAST NAME TO BE COULD BE ADDED ONTO THE BACK OF THE SHIRT AND POSSIBLY THE FIRST INITIAL IF THE LAST. YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE CHILD WITH THE SAME LAST NAME.

SO YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? HEARING NO QUESTIONS. MISS KNOT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. PUGH? YES. MR. COX? YES. MRS. WAYMACK. YES.

MR. BROWN? YES. MR. WEBB? YES. MOTION CARRIED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SIR. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE NEXT THING WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO IS OUR SECOND ITEM OF.

OH. I'M SORRY. EXCUSE ME. SECOND ITEM OF BUSINESS, WHICH IS OUR RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SUPPORTING MEMBERSHIP IN THE SOUTH CENTRAL TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY.

AND THIS IS MR. JAY ELLINGTON, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF CRATER PLANNING DISTRICT.

MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME THIS EVENING. BOARD MEMBERS.

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WHAT I'M BRINGING TO YOU THIS THIS EVENING IS A COMMITTEE FUNCTION THAT HAS WORKED WITH INSIDE OUR CRATER COMMISSION TO RECOMMEND LOOKING AT A TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY FOR OUR REGION.

IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THOSE, THEY HAVE BEEN CREATED IN THE COMMONWEALTH.

WE HAVE THREE RELATIVELY CLOSE TO US. SO HAMPTON ROADS AND NORTHERN VIRGINIA AND RICHMOND AREAS.

SO WE ARE PROPOSING THAT WE HAVE A NEW AREA DESIGNATED NOT NECESSARILY TOTALLY THE CRATER AREA ITSELF, BECAUSE WE CAN'T PICK UP CHESTERFIELD AND WE CAN'T PICK UP CHARLES CITY.

THEY'RE ALREADY IN THE THE RBA, THE CVTA. PLANNING TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY.

BUT WE HAVE DISCUSSED WITH BOTH BRUNSWICK AND MECKLENBURG COUNTIES AND THEY'RE INTERESTED AS WELL AS AS BEING A PART OF THAT CENTRAL CORRIDOR AS WELL. AND THAT REALLY GIVES US SOME SOME TRAFFIC AND CONGESTION PIECES OVER THE 85 AND 95 CORRIDOR THROUGHOUT THE REGION. SO THE PROPOSAL IS FOR US TO LOOK AT THAT.

I WANT TO COVER A COUPLE OF THINGS WITH YOU. THE MAIN OVERVIEW IS THAT THIS GIVES US A REGIONAL BODY THAT PLANS, FUNDS, AND PRIORITIZES ANY AND ALL TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS THROUGH OUR REGION.

THE PURPOSE IS THAT WE GET PREDICTABLE FUNDING TO MOVE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE FORWARD TO DEAL WITH GROWTH.

GROWTH? EXCUSE ME. MAINTENANCE AND SAFETY NEEDS THAT WE'LL HAVE MORE REGIONAL CONTROL.

WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE THIS LAST ROUND WITH VDOT ON THE SMART SCALE PIECE TO GET FOUR DIFFERENT PROJECTS, BUT IN THAT FUNDING, WE'VE BEEN WAITING 15 TO 18 YEARS TO GET THOSE PROJECTS UP TO THE POINT THAT WE EITHER HAD OUR MATCH TO GO WITH IT, OR THAT IT SCORED HIGH ENOUGH IN THE SYSTEM TO GET FUNDED.

SO THIS WOULD HELP US MOVE THOSE PROJECTS FASTER THROUGHOUT OUR SYSTEM.

WE'D ALSO LOOK AT MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION AS WELL.

THIS WOULD BE REGIONAL DECISION MAKING. AND WHAT WE'VE GOT IN THE PROPOSAL IS I GAVE YOU A SPREADSHEET THAT HAD THE THREE DIFFERENT TAS IN THERE. AND THEN OUR PROPOSAL, WE HAD SINGLE VOTING IN THERE, FOR ONE THING, RATHER THAN A WEIGHTED VOTING. OKAY, SOME OF THE OTHERS ARE DOING WEIGHTED VOTING BASED ON POPULATION.

BUT WE'VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE IN OUR REGION. I THINK FOR US TO COME TOGETHER ON MOST OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE TOGETHER WITH A SINGLE VOTE FROM EACH OF THE JURISDICTIONS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE STARTING WITH ON THE ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE BILL ITSELF.

AND SO IT IS STILL UNDER DEVELOPMENT. AND WE'LL COME FORWARD HOPEFULLY FOR NEXT SPRING.

OUR ECONOMIC BENEFITS ARE LEVERAGING MORE FEDERAL FUNDING AND IN SOME CASES, MORE STATE FUNDING, BECAUSE WE HAVE PROJECTS THAT ARE READY AND WE HAVE A WILLING REVENUE STREAM TO MEET THOSE PROJECTS AS WELL, TOO. IT WILL HELP US IN OUR ECONOMIC COMPETITIVENESS, BEING READY AND BEING HAVING OUR REGION AT THE POINT OF LET'S JUST GIVE GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF HOW ABOUT LET'S JUST USE THE LEGO FACILITY THAT'S GOING IN IN PRINCE GEORGE, AND WE NEED MORE TRANSPORTATION PIECES THAT WILL HELP US BE READY TO BE READY TO MOVE WITH THOSE ECONOMIC ENGINES THAT ARE HELPING OUR REGION AS WELL TO IT'LL HELP WITH OUR LONG RANGE PLANNING EFFORTS THAT WE ALREADY DO.

WE HAVE A LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, WE HAVE A TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PLAN, AND WE HAVE THE SMART SCALE FUNDING PIECES.

SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF VDOT PIECES THAT WORK WITH US.

IT IS DESIGNED AROUND TWO REVENUE SOURCES. ONE IS A THE FUEL AND DIESEL TAX.

THAT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT CURRENTLY THE STATE TAXES BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS AT DIFFERENT RATES, AND THAT THOSE FUNDS ARE PUT INTO A MAJOR POT, AND THAT THIS WOULD BE A PORTION OF THAT COMING BACK TO THE REGION.

AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE IS A SALES TAX, AND THIS WOULD BE A PROPOSED NEW SALES TAX FOR THE REGION.

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AND THIS WOULD GET US UP TO $0.06 IN OUR REGION.

ALL OF THE OTHER TAS FOLLOWED THOSE TWO FUNDING SOURCES AS WELL.

SO WE DIDN'T VARY FROM THOSE AT ALL. WE'RE JUST PUTTING FORWARD WHAT THE OTHER FOLKS THAT HAVE TAKEN THIS ROUTE TO GET MONEY MOVING IN THEIR REGION FASTER AND MOVING PROJECTS FASTER THE SAME WAY.

WE WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH REGIONAL CONSENSUS AND WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE TWO THIRDS OF OUR COMMISSION, OUR NEW TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY THAT WILL MOVE PROJECTS.

IT WILL HAVE TO HAVE A TWO THIRDS VOTE TO MOVE PROJECTS FORWARD AND PUT MONEY WITH THEM.

LET'S SEE FROM YOUR STANDPOINT, AFTER WE ARE ABLE OR WE'RE SUCCESSFUL MOVING THE BILL FORWARD, WE'RE GETTING STARTED THIS YEAR. I VISITED WITH CHESTERFIELD LAST WEEK, AND THEY TELL ME, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT TOOK US THREE YEARS TO GET THIS IN PLACE THROUGH THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS.

I SAID, I UNDERSTAND AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A BIG LIFT FOR OUR FOR OUR REGION.

BUT THERE IS ALREADY PRECEDENT IN THE SYSTEM.

WE ASK YOU ALL, IF YOU WILL, TO HELP SUPPORT THIS, TO MOVE IT FORWARD, BUT ALSO TO TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR STATE ELECTED LEADERS AS WELL, TOO, SO THEY WILL KNOW WE'RE INTERESTED.

WE WANT TO MOVE OUR REGION FORWARD. AND THIS IS ONE MECHANISM THAT WE'RE CHOOSING TO BRING THAT FORWARD WITH AS A MEMBER JURISDICTION, YOU'LL GET YOUR VOTING RIGHTS. YOU'LL GET TO APPOINT SOMEBODY TO THE TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY TOO SO, AND I DO WANT TO, WHILE I'M THERE ON THAT ONE, I WANT TO THANK MISS WOMACK FOR SERVING ON OUR COMMISSION AND MR. WEBB FOR HELPING WITH ME WITH THE TRI CITIES MPO AS WELL.

SO YOU'RE, WELL, WELL REPRESENTED ON THE ON THE WORK THAT CRATERS DOING IN THE REGION AS WELL.

ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE ORGANIZATIONAL SETUP, AS YOU APPLY, APPOINT SOMEBODY TO BE ON THIS COMMISSION OR THIS AUTHORITY, EXCUSE ME. YOU'LL ALSO GET TO HELP SELECT ONE OF THE FIRST ACTIONS BY THAT AUTHORITY WILL BE TO, TO SELECT A FISCAL AGENT. AND SO AND THE STATE WILL EXPECT US TO DO THAT.

AND THEN THAT FISCAL AGENT WILL BE ONE OF OUR LOCAL JURISDICTIONS, SO WE WILL WORK WITH ALL OF THEM TO FIGURE OUT WHO THAT WILL DO THAT WITH US.

THAT MONEY THEN WOULD GET TRANSFERRED TO THE FISCAL AGENT, AND THEN THE FISCAL AGENT WOULD TRANSFER IT TO THE AUTHORITY, OR IN OUR CASE, TO THE CRATER PLANNING DISTRICT COMMISSION.

WHO WOULD BE THE THE HOUSING AUTHORITY OVER THE AUTHORITY? IN THE SPREADSHEET, IT'S GOT THOSE THREE DIFFERENT TAS FOR YOU TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITIES AND THEN THE ONE WE'RE RECOMMENDING, THE INDIVIDUAL REPRESENTATIVES I MENTIONED NOT WEIGHTED.

WE DID NOT SPECIFY HOW MANY OF THE PROJECTS WOULD EITHER BE REGIONAL BASED PROJECTS OR LOCAL BASED PROJECTS.

WE DID NOT WE DID NOT SPECIFY THAT AT THIS CURRENT STATE SOMETHING MAY COME UP IN OUR DISCUSSIONS AT THE ASSEMBLY OR AT THE SENATE THAT THAT MAY LEAD US TO ONE WAY OR ANOTHER TO DO THAT, BUT WE WANTED TO LEAVE ROOM FOR SOME OF THOSE THINGS TO OCCUR DURING THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS AS WELL. I MENTIONED THAT DECISIONS BY TWO THIRDS, AND I MENTIONED FOR YOU THAT BRUNSWICK AND MECKLENBURG ARE ALSO INTERESTED IN THAT. AND I'M HERE. MR. CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

WE'RE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER BOTH A LETTER AND A RESOLUTION THAT WOULD HELP US MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.

OKAY. DOES ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ELLINGTON? YES, SIR. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. IS THIS THE SAME THING WE TALKED ABOUT LAST YEAR THAT'S GOING TO SERVE THE INDUSTRIAL PARK? NO, SIR. NO. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT YOU MAY HAVE TALKED ABOUT AS FAR AS FUNDING FOR FOR PROJECTS FOR THE INDUSTRIAL PARK. NO TRANSPORTATION FOR THE INDUSTRIAL PARK? OH, NO, THAT WAS DIFFERENT. THAT WAS PETERSBURG AREA TRANSIT.

RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY, THAT TAKES CARE OF QUESTION.

THAT'S WHAT I HAD. THANK YOU. OKAY, OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MR. PUGH? YES, SIR, I DO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO CAN THIS THESE FUNDS, THESE PROJECTS BE.

I GUESS WE WOULD DEEM SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO GET DONE AND SEND IT THROUGH OUR REPRESENTATIVE.

AND THEN TWO THIRDS OF THIS GROUP WOULD HAVE TO AGREE UPON IT, CORRECT?

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OKAY. OR EVERY THREE YEARS. WE'RE. SO WE'RE PUTTING IN NEW PROJECTS.

WE'RE CHANGING PROJECTS, WE'RE CHANGING PRIORITIES OF PROJECTS.

SO WE'RE ON TOP OF THAT QUITE FREQUENTLY. COULD IT BE A NEW PROJECT? IT COULD BE A CRITICAL PROJECT OR SOMETHING THAT THAT BROUGHT ITSELF UP IN THE SAFETY STANDARDS.

AS AN EXAMPLE YOU KNOW, WE WEIGH THEM OUT BY THIS ONE NEEDS TO BE WIDENED OR THIS ONE NEEDS A ROUNDABOUT OR WHATEVER.

SAFETY IS THE FIRST, FIRST PRIORITY IN THAT. OKAY.

IS THERE ANY AND I THIS MIGHT BE AN ATTORNEY QUESTION I DON'T KNOW.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT SAYS WE CAN GET OUT OF THIS ANYTIME WE WANT, IF IT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T LIKE OR ONCE WE'RE IN IT, WE'RE IN IT? YES, SIR. SO WE'RE ASKING YOU TO SUPPORT THE CREATION OF IT.

AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE WILL COME BACK AND SAY, DO YOU WANT TO BE A MEMBER? AND IF YOU DO, YOU'LL SAY YES OR NO. AND YOU CAN I'M PRETTY SURE I DIDN'T LOOK TO SEE IF ANY OF THE, ANY OF THE JURISDICTIONS THAT GOT IN THESE OTHER TAS.

IF ANYBODY'S PULLED OUT. I WAS NOT AWARE OF ANY OF THOSE.

THAT'S ALL I GOT. OKAY. MR. WEBB, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, SIR. MR. ELLISON HAS ALREADY STATED IT. I WAS ON THE DISTRICT PLANNING ANY MPO.

THEN MISS WAYMACK TOOK MY SPOT, WHICH WAS FINE, BUT IT'S A GOOD GROUP OF ALL THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES THAT WORK TOGETHER FOR WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF EVERYBODY. AND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I SUPPORT GOING DOWN THIS PATH.

OKAY. MISS WAYMACK, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NO.

I JUST THINK THIS SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD PROJECT, BUT THE PROJECTS THAT YOU WILL PROPOSE ARE RELATED TO TRANSPORTATION, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND AS YOU STATED BEFORE, THIS IS IN THE EARLY STAGES BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THE LOCALITY SUPPORT. TAKING THIS TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

YES, SIR. TO TO KIND OF PUT THIS INTO EFFECT.

SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW. SO BOARD MEMBERS, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS.

ONE MORE QUESTION. YES, SIR. GO AHEAD. I ASK A TWO PART UNDER YOUR REVENUE AGAIN SALES TAX AND TAX ON GALLONS OF GASOLINE AND DIESEL.

EXPLAIN THAT TO ME AGAIN. MAKE SURE I HEARD IT CORRECTLY.

OKAY. THERE IS A FIXED AMOUNT FOR BOTH GASOLINE AND A FIXED AMOUNT FOR DIESEL THAT'S PAID INTO THE STATE.

FIXED BY THE LEGISLATURE. AND SO THE PROPOSAL IS THAT WE WOULD TAKE OUR PIECE OF THAT OUTLINING FROM OUR JURISDICTIONAL AREA AND MOVE THAT MONEY OVER TO US.

AND WITH THAT, WE WOULD PUT IN PLACE A 0.7 CENT SALES TAX THAT WOULD RAISE OUR SALES TAX FROM 5.3 TO $0.06, WHICH WOULD ALSO JOIN THAT MONEY.

AND THAT WOULD BE THE MONEY THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR PROJECTS IN OUR REGION.

ALL RIGHT, THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. I'M GOOD.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, BOARD MEMBERS, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A RESOLUTION AND LETTER IN FRONT OF US ASKING US TO SUPPORT THIS SOUTH CENTRAL TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY.

SO. CAN I ASK, MR. CHAIR? HANG ON. MR. HANG ON.

MR. WEBB, MR. PUGH HAS ANOTHER QUESTION. ALL RIGHT.

SO IS THIS THE THE FUNDS THAT ARE COMING OUT NOW ARE CURRENT TAXES, OR WE ARE VOTING TO DO THIS AND THEN EVENTUALLY WOULD CAUSE A TAX RAISE FOR OUR CITIZENS. YOU ARE SUPPORTING A CREATION OF AN AUTHORITY.

OKAY. THAT WOULD HAVE A TAXING MECHANISM IN IT.

IT WOULD BE UTILIZING SOME OF THE GASOLINE AND DIESEL TAXES , AS WELL AS AN INCREASE IN THE SALES TAX.

FOR A PROJECT THAT I MIGHT NOT GET. FOR FOR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS IN THE REGION.

YES. OKAY. TEN FOUR, I GOT I KNOW WHAT I'M I'M GOOD MR. OKAY. MR. WEBB. YOU HAD CALLED FOR MY ATTENTION.

YES. I MEAN, NOBODY'S GOING TO MAKE A MOTION.

I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. OKAY. I NEED A SECOND, PLEASE.

I SECOND. IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. WEBB AND SECOND, BY MRS. WAYMACK THAT THE BOARD WOULD APPROVE THIS LETTER AND RESOLUTION SUPPORTING THE MEMBERSHIP IN CREATING

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YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? MISS KNOT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. COX? NO. MRS. WAYMACK. YES, MR. BROWN? YES. MR. WEBB? YES, MR. PUGH. NO. MOTION CARRIED. THANK YOU, MR. ELLINGTON. THANK YOU SIR. THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE UP IS A RESOLUTION FOR THE INITIATION OF ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS.

MR. GRAVES, YOU'LL BE DOING THE NEXT TWO. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN BROWN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. SO BEFORE YOU WITH THIS ITEM YOU HAVE A RESOLUTION TO INITIATE AN OVERHAUL OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE CODE, TO MODERNIZE THE STRUCTURE AND TERMINOLOGY OF THE ORDINANCE AND TO IMPLEMENT RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. ALL DRAFT TEXT AMENDMENTS MUST COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS BEFORE THEY COULD BE ADOPTED. AND STAFF IS DEVELOPING A PROJECT PLAN TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS APPROPRIATE PUBLIC REVIEW AND ENGAGEMENT THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.

SO THE CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES THE COUNTY TO FORMALLY INITIATE ANY ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT PROCESS.

SO FOR THAT REASON, STAFF HAVE PROVIDED THIS RESOLUTION FOR YOUR USE.

OKAY. ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANY BOARD MEMBERS ON THIS? OKAY. OKAY. MR. WEBB, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, SIR. OKAY. AND THIS IS JUST A RESOLUTION GIVING YOU GUYS THE AUTHORITY TO START THE INITIATION.

BUT ANY UPDATES, CHANGES, MODIFICATIONS, ALL OF THAT COMES BACK THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS AND A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO THIS IS JUST TO GET STARTED. CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

OKAY. BOARD MEMBERS, AT THIS TIME, I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

OKAY. I NEED A SECOND, PLEASE. SECOND. IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. COX AND SECOND, BY MRS. MRS. WAYMACK THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THE RESOLUTION FOR THE INITIATION OF ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS.

YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? MRS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MRS. WAYMACK. YES., MR. BROWN? YES. MR. WEBB. YES.

MR. PUGH. YES. MR. COX. YES. MOTION CARRIED. THE NEXT ITEM WOULD BE THE INITIATION OF A SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AMENDMENT AND MR. GRAVES. OKAY. AND SO IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING WITH THIS ONE.

AS WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT PROCESS, THE STATE CODE REQUIRES A SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AMENDMENT PROCESS TO BE FORMALLY INITIATED BY THE COUNTY, AND STAFF HAS PROVIDED A RESOLUTION FOR THE PURPOSE.

AND THE REASONS FOR DOING FOR UPDATING THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE ARE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AS WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS TO BRING IT INTO STATE CODE COMPLIANCE, MODERNIZE THE STRUCTURE AND TERMINOLOGY, AND IMPLEMENT RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANY BOARD MEMBERS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

PLEASE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. COX. SECOND, BY MR. PUGH TO APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION FOR THE INITIATION OF A SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS.

YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? MRS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. BROWN? YES, MR. WEBB? YES. MR. PUGH. YES. MR. COX. YES. MRS. WAYMACK. YES. MOTION CARRIED. THANK YOU, MR. GRAVES. SO NEXT, WE HAVE A RESOLUTION FOR THE APPROPRIATION OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUNDS.

I AM NOT GOING TO TRY TO BUTCHER THIS, SO I'LL LET YOU COVER BOTH OF THESE ITEMS, SIR.

THAT'S FINE, CHAIRMAN BROWN. GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN BROWN.

VICE CHAIRMAN WEBB, BOARD MEMBERS. MISS DREWRY AND MISS PASTURE.

THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME PRESENT TONIGHT. OUR DEPARTMENT WAS IN RECEIPT OF THE CONCEPT DEVELOPMENT, INC., ALSO KNOWN AS HOLLINGSWORTH COMPANY'S APPLICATION FOR THE INCENTIVE GRANT ON SEPTEMBER 24TH OF THIS YEAR.

THIS APPLICATION IS PERTAINING TO THE 2021 DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND HOLLINGSWORTH COMPANIES.

THEY ARE THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPERS OF SOUTHPOINTE BUSINESS PARK.

THIS REQUEST IS TO UTILIZE A REIMBURSEMENT INCENTIVE FOR THE FIRE PUMP AND BUILDING PERMIT FEES FOR LOT TEN, WHICH IS LOCATED AT 6055 QUALITY WAY PRINCE GEORGE IN SOUTHPOINTE BUSINESS PARK.

IN ORDER FOR HOLLINGSWORTH TO QUALIFY FOR THE INCENTIVE GRANT THEY WERE TO PAY BOTH PERMIT FEES AND FIRE PUMP ROOM COSTS.

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THE COUNTY AND THE EDA HAVE UNTIL MARCH 31ST OF THE FOLLOWING YEAR TO TRANSFER THOSE FUNDS ONCE WE RECEIVE THAT REQUEST.

AND SO THE TOTAL FOR LOT TEN IS EQUAL TO $82,749.067.

THAT WOULD BE TRANSFERRED TO THE EDA FOR THE INCENTIVE GRANT.

AND THAT WILL BE APPROPRIATED FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND TO THE EDA.

THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND RECEIPTS FROM HOLLINGSWORTH IS IN YOUR PACKETS.

AND ALSO A RESOLUTION IS IN YOUR PACKETS TONIGHT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. DOES ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, SIR. I'LL JUST CLARIFY. $82,749.67. YES, SIR.

YOU SAID 749,000. I JUST DIDN'T. I'M SO SORRY.

[LAUGHS] NO. IT IS $82,749.67. YEAH. JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.

SO I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. NO. YOU'RE GOOD, SIR. YOU'RE GOOD. BOARD MEMBERS, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? MR. BROWN, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. OKAY. SECOND.

IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. PUGH, AND SECOND, BY MR. COX THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION FOR THE APPROPRIATION OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUNDS TO THE EDA AUTHORITY FOR LOT TEN OF $82,749.67. YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? THIS IS NOT. WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. BROWN? YES. MRS. WAYMACK. YES. MR. COX? YES.

MR. PUGH? YES. MR. WEBB? YES. MOTION CARRIED.

NEXT ITEM IS FOR LOT NUMBER 12. YES. AND THIS IS IDENTICAL FROM THE LAST APPLICATION AND RESOLUTION.

THE TOTAL OF THIS IS $73,394.42. THAT WILL BE TRANSFERRED TO THE EDA IDENTICAL FROM THE LAST LOT. BUT YES, THIS IS LOT 12.

THAT'S IN SOUTH POINT BUSINESS PARK. OKAY. BOARD MEMBERS, IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND. IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. COX AND SECOND, BY MR. PUGH THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THE RESOLUTION FOR THE APPROPRIATION OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUNDS TO THE EDA AUTHORITY FOR LOT NUMBER 12 OF $73,394.42. YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? MRS. KNOTT. WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MRS. WAYMACK. YES., MR. COX? YES. MR. PUGH? YES, MR. WEBB? YES. MR. BROWN? YES. MOTION CARRIED. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SIR. THE NEXT BUSINESS ITEM IS A RESOLUTION FOR AN AWARD OF CONTRACT TO BOWMAN FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES, FOR DESIGN OF THE ROUTE 301 WELL CONSTRUCTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. MR. DREWRY. MISS. PASTOR. AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON WATER SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS OVER THE ROUTE 301 EXIT 45 AREA TO DELIVER MORE SUSTAINABLE WATER TO THAT AREA. WE'RE STILL WORKING TOWARDS THAT END.

WE'VE ALREADY WORKED ON GETTING A WELL INSTALLED, AND WE ALSO HAVE DONE A PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING REPORT.

AND THE NEXT STEP IS NOW TO GO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE DESIGN ENGINEERING SERVICES SO WE CAN DEVELOP CONSTRUCTION PLANS TO DEVELOP TO CONSTRUCT THOSE NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS. SO TODAY WE HAVE BEFORE YOU IS A PROPOSAL FROM BOWMAN TO PROVIDE THOSE ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR THE AMOUNT OF $163,876 THAT WILL BE UTILIZED IN OUR ANNUAL SERVICES CONTRACT. STAFF DOES RECOMMEND MAKING THAT AWARD.

FUNDING IS AVAILABLE IN THE UTILITIES FUND BUDGET TO ACCOMMODATE THESE SERVICES.

YOU'LL SEE IN YOUR PACKET THERE'S A PROPOSAL THAT INCLUDES THE ENTIRE ENGINEERING SERVICES PACKET.

WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO AWARD THE DESIGN AND BIDDING PHASE.

IN THAT PACKET IS ALSO A PROPOSAL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION SERVICES.

WE'RE RECOMMENDING HOLDING THAT UNTIL WE BID AND UNTIL IT'S BEEN BID.

AND WE AWARD THAT CONTRACT AND WE'LL SEEK THOSE SERVICES.

AT THAT TIME, THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING REPORT INDICATED THE TOTAL PROJECT COST WOULD BE ABOUT 1.8 MILLION.

THAT INCLUDES THE DESIGN SERVICES WE'RE ASKING FOR YOU TO AWARD TODAY.

THE FUTURE FUNDING OF THAT WOULD COME FROM A DEBT ISSUANCE, WHICH WOULD BE A THE PAYMENT OF THAT DEBT ISSUANCE WOULD OCCUR FROM AN ANNUAL

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SO AT THE MOMENT THAT WE ARE GOING TO ONLY AWARD THE DESIGN AND BIDDING PHASE FOR THIS CONTRACT TO BOWMAN, AND WE DO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION. NOW, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HALTOM. THIS IS AT EXIT 45.

CORRECT? CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. IS THIS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING? BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE ALREADY DRILLED THE WELL OVER THERE. THE WELL IS DRILLED, AND YOU HAVE TO DRILL THE WELL FIRST TO DETERMINE WHAT THE MAXIMUM YIELD OF THAT WELL WILL PROVIDE. IF IT DOESN'T PROVIDE ENOUGH, WE DON'T MOVE FORWARD AFTER THAT POINT.

THIS THIS WELL, LOCATION DOES PROVIDE ENOUGH MAXIMUM YIELD FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEXT PHASE.

OKAY. SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS WHAT WE'VE ALREADY CURRENTLY DONE.

ARE WE BENEFITING FROM THAT OR WE HAVE TO DO THIS TO BENEFIT FROM THE MONEY WE'VE ALREADY SPENT.

WE HAVE TO DO THIS TO BENEFIT FROM THE MONEY WE ALREADY SPENT. YES, SIR. OKAY.YEAH. YOU'RE GOOD, SIR. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. OKAY.

MR. COX, YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NO, SIR. MR. WEBB, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, SIR. OKAY. AND BOARD MEMBERS. I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION AT THIS TIME.

SO MOVED. SECOND. IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. COX AND SECOND, BY MR. PUGH THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THE RESOLUTION FOR THE AWARD OF CONTRACT TO BOWMAN FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES, FOR DESIGN OF THE ROUTE 301 WELL CONSTRUCTION, OF $163,876.

YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION, MISS KNOT. WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. COX? YES. MR. PUGH? YES. MR. WEBB? YES. MR. BROWN? YES. MRS. WAYMACK. YES. MOTION CARRIED.

THE NEXT ONE IS FOR AWARD OF CONTRACT FOR COMPREHENSIVE TANK MAINTENANCE SERVICES.

SOUTHERN ROAD PROMOTE CORROSION. WOW. MR. HALTOM.

YES, SIR. ONE OF OUR MOST CRUCIAL ASSETS ARE OUR WATER TANKS.

WE DO HAVE 16 TANKS. SIX OF THEM ARE RATHER LARGE.

A HALF A MILLION TO 1 MILLION IN SIZE. MILLION GALLONS IN SIZE.

AND THEN WE HAVE TEN, TEN SMALLER TANKS THAT SERVE OUR SMALLER, WELL COMMUNITIES.

CURRENTLY WE DO HAVE SIX OF THE SIX LARGE TANKS UNDER CONTRACT.

THAT CONTRACT EXPIRES NEXT YEAR. WE RECOMMEND HAVING ALL OF OUR TANKS ON ON, ON, ON CONTRACT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE PROPERLY MAINTAINED AND WE'RE NOT FIGHTING FOR FUNDING. SO WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS TO ADD THESE SIX ONCE THEY DO COME OFF THIS CONTRACT.

ONCE THE CONTRACT EXPIRES A YEAR FROM NOW, WE'RE GOING TO ADD THESE OTHER SIX ONTO THE FIRST TEN THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING FOR NOW.

SO THE TEN, THE COUNTY HAS RECEIVED A PROPOSAL FROM SOUTHERN CORROSION TO PROVIDE THAT MAINTENANCE SERVICE.

AND AGAIN, THE INITIAL YEAR WOULD COVER ONLY THE FIRST TEN SMALLER TANKS AND THE SECOND YEAR RECOVER ALL OF OUR TANKS.

THE CONTRACT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED USING THE TOWN OF WHITFIELD COOPERATIVE CONTRACT, MEANING THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS.

AND SOUTHERN CORROSION WON A CONTRACT IN THE TOWN OF WHITFIELD.

AND WE'RE USING THOSE SAME CONTRACT, THE SAME PRICING POINTS IN THAT CONTRACT TO FULFILL THIS CONTRACT.

IT'S JUST THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS DIFFERENT TANKS. SO THERE IS A DIFFERENT PRICE POINT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF TANKS THAT WE HAVE.

THE CONTRACT WILL ALLOW FOR ANNUAL RENEWALS. THAT WILL ESSENTIALLY THE INCREASE IN THE COST WILL BE BASED ON THE CPI OF THE PRIOR YEAR COST.

OBVIOUSLY THE SECOND YEAR WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING SIX MORE TANKS.

THERE IS FUNDING AVAILABLE IN OUR UTILITY FUND.

IN FACT ONCE THE FIRST CONTRACT THAT EXPIRES WE WILL ACTUALLY BE REDUCING OUR COST FOR THIS CONTRACT.

AND THAT'S NOT TO MEAN THAT THE CURRENT CONTRACT IS GOUGING US.

IT'S JUST THAT THERE WERE SOME SIGNIFICANT SIGNIFICANTLY MAINTENANCE SIGNIFICANT MAINTENANCE THAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED UNDER THE EXISTING CONTRACT FOR OUR LARGE TANKS THAT HAVE BEEN LARGELY IGNORED FOR FOR MANY YEARS.

SO NOW ALL THOSE TANKS HAVE BEEN PROPERLY MAINTAINED, AND WE HAVE ASSETS THAT ARE GOING TO LAST FOR A LONG TIME. SO THEREFORE THE REQUIREMENT TO MAINTAIN MAINTAIN THEM IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS.

SO WE DO RECOMMEND AN AWARD TO CONTRACT OF THIS CONTRACT TO SOUTHERN CORROSION.

AND THE FIRST TIER SERVICES WOULD BE $47,546.

IN THE SECOND YEAR WOULD BE 135,455 PLUS THE CPI OF THAT FIRST YEAR.

AND THEN ANY SUBSEQUENT RENEWALS WILL BE THE 135 FOR 55 PLUS THE CPI.

SO EACH SUBSEQUENT YEAR YOU LOOK AT THE YEAR YOU JUST PAID AND ADD THE CPI ON TOP OF THAT.

AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT CONTRACT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HALTOM? ON THE BREAKDOWN. I'M LOOKING FOR IT. IS THERE A BREAKDOWN IN HERE OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO CHARGE PER TANK?

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THEY HAVE. I DON'T HAVE THAT ACTUAL CONTRACT, THE WHOLE CONTRACT WITH ME.

AND BUT ESSENTIALLY. I'LL JUST ASK A QUESTION.

SURE. ALL RIGHT. BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS, LIKE, LEMONWOOD THOSE AREAS WHERE WE KNOW WE HAVE WATER ISSUES.

AND I THINK IN PAST MEETINGS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE IDENTIFYING, UPGRADING THOSE TANKS, REPLACING THOSE TANKS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT WASTING ANY MONEY THAT COULD GO TO A NEW TANK.

SO WE WOULD NOT. AND IN FACT, WE'VE ALREADY UPGRADED SOME TANKS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

THIS CONTRACT, I FEEL, IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE TANKS THAT WE HAVE, AND WE HAVE NO NEED TO REPLACE THEM IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

WE'VE ALREADY UPGRADED THE TANKS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE UPGRADED. LIVERMAN WAS THE MOST RECENT ONE WE DID THIS PAST YEAR.

WE DID SOME HEAVY MAINTENANCE ON THAT BECAUSE WE REPLACED THE YEAR BEFORE THAT.

SO THOSE ARE THAT'S A BRAND NEW TANK. OKAY. BUT ALL THE OTHER SMALLER TANKS WE HAVE DONE.

PRINCE GEORGE WOODS IS THE ONE THAT'S PROBABLY LACKING THE MOST. BUT WE THAT ONE, WE FEEL WE'VE ALREADY DONE AN INSPECTION ON IT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IN GOOD SHAPE.

WE DO ANNUAL INSPECTIONS. BUT WE FEEL THAT WITH PROPER MAINTENANCE, IT'LL PROLONG ITS LIFE.

OKAY, THAT'S ALL I GOT, MR. CHAIR. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? QUICK QUESTION. YES, SIR. SO WHAT'S THE LENGTH OF THE CONTRACT? MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S A TEN YEAR CONTRACT. BUT IT CAN BE EXTENDED BEYOND THAT IF NECESSARY.

BUT I BELIEVE TEN IS WHAT WE ALLOW IN THE COUNTY.

BUT IF WE NEED TO GET OUT OF IT, WE CAN. SO THERE IS SOME SOME CLAUSES IN HERE THAT IF WE DO WANT TO GET OUT BEFORE THE FIRST FIVE YEARS, SOME OF THESE MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES THEY'RE GOING TO DO UP FRONT, THEY'RE GOING TO DO AS MUCH AS THEY CAN UP FRONT TO GET THEM UP TO PAR. THEY SPREAD THAT COST OVER FIVE YEARS. SO IF WE DO GET OUT WITHIN THE FIRST FIVE YEARS, THERE IS A PENALTY THAT WE'LL HAVE TO PAY TO GET OUT.

AND THOSE ARE IDENTIFIED IN THIS CONTRACT. THANKS, SIR.

OKAY, BOARD MEMBERS, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

SO MOVED. SECOND. WELL, I'LL GO WITH MR. COX.

MOVE TO APPROVE, AND I'LL GO WITH MR. WEBB SECOND.

SECOND. THAT MOTION. AND THIS IS TO APPROVE THE AWARD OF CONTRACT FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE TANK MAINTENANCE TO SOUTHERN CORROSION.

MISS KNOT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. PUGH? YES. MR. WEBB? YES. MR. BROWN? YES. MRS. WAYMACK. YES. MR. COX? YES. MOTION CARRIED. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. HALTOM. THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE IS A A LEASE RENEWAL FOR THE POST 1703. AMERICAN LEGION POST 1703, MISS PASTOR.

YES. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. CHAIRMAN BROWN, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR DREWRY AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, I BRING, THIS IS A LEASE RENEWAL.

THIS IS FOR THE AMERICAN LEGION POST ONE 703.

THEY CURRENTLY LEASE A ROOM IN THE CENTRAL WELLNESS CENTER, AND THEY HAVE DONE SO SINCE DECEMBER 1ST OF 2021.

BUT THAT LEASE WILL EXPIRE ON NOVEMBER 30TH OF THIS YEAR.

THEY DO HAVE AN INTEREST IN CONTINUING TO RENEW THAT LEASE.

THE LEASE HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU IN YOUR BOARD PACKETS.

IT DOES INCLUDE A RENT INCREASE, AND THAT WAS BASED ON AN ADJUSTED SIZE OF THE ROOM THAT WE HAD.

WE'D I GUESS WE RECALCULATED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE THAT ADJUSTED COST COMES FROM.

BUT WHAT I'M ASKING THE BOARD TONIGHT IS A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE ADVERTISEMENT OF A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WOULD OCCUR ON NOVEMBER 12TH OF THIS YEAR.

THIS THE SATISFIES SECTION 15.2-1800 OF THE CODE.

AGAIN, REQUIRING A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE WE CAN RENEW THIS LEASE.

OKAY, SO BOARD MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS PASTOR? YES, SIR. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR AUTHORIZING THIS FOR PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION, MR. CHAIR. ALL RIGHT. I'LL SECOND.

OKAY. IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. PUGH AND SECOND BY MRS. WAYMACK THAT WE WOULD APPROVE AUTHORIZE FOR PUBLIC HEARING FOR AMERICAN LEGION POST 1703 LEASE RENEWAL.

YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? MISS KNOT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. WEBB? YES, MR. BROWN? YES. MRS. WAYMACK. YES, MR. COX? YES. MR. PUGH? YES. MOTION CARRIED. THANK YOU, MISS PASS.

THANK YOU. SO THAT COVERS ALL OF THE. LET ME GET MY.

RIGHT OVER HERE. SO THAT COVERS ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT WE HAD FOR OUR ORDER OF BUSINESS. NOW WE HAVE A CLOSED SESSION.

IT'S A NEGOTIATION ON THE CITY OF HOPEWELL AND SUSSEX COUNTY WASTEWATER CONTRACTS.

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[H. Closed Session]

WE GO INTO CLOSED SESSION PURSUANT TO VIRGINIA CODE 2.237118.

LEGAL ADVICE AND DISCUSSION FROM LEGAL COUNSEL REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS.

NEGOTIATION OF HOPEWELL AND SUSSEX WASTEWATER TREATMENT EXPANSION CONTRACTS AND VIRGINIA CODE 2.2 3711A 29 TO DISCUSS THE AWARD OF THE BBRSP CONTRACT AS IT INVOLVES THE POTENTIAL EXPENDITURE OF PUBLIC FUNDS AND DISCUSSION IN OPEN SESSION, WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE BARGAINING POSITION NEGOTIATION STRATEGY OF THE PUBLIC BODY.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. COX. I NEED A SECOND. SECOND.

IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. COX AND SECOND BY MR. PUGH FOR US TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION FOR THE NEGOTIATION OF CITY OF HOPEWELL IN SUSSEX COUNTY, WASTEWATER CONTRACTS, AS WELL AS OTHER CODE APPLIED TO THIS MOTION.

YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? MRS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL, MR. WEBB? YES, MR. PUGH? YES, MR. COX? YES. MRS. WAYMACK.

YES. MR. BROWN. YES. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WILL BE IN CLOSED SESSION.

THANK YOU. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE JUST RETURNED FROM OUR CLOSED SESSION.

AT THIS TIME, I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR US TO RECONVENE AND CERTIFY THE CLOSED SESSION.

PLEASE, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RECONVENE IN OPEN SESSION AND CERTIFY THAT THE ONLY MATTERS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED MEETING WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED OR CONSIDERED. SECOND, IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. COX AND SECONDED BY MR. PUGH IN THE MOTION TO RECONVENE AND TO CERTIFY OUR CLOSED SESSION.

YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION, MISS KNOT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. PUGH? YES, MR. COX? YES. MRS. WAYMACK? YES, MR. BROWN? YES. MR. WEBB? YES. MOTION CARRIED. BOARD MEMBERS, SINCE THERE'S NO ACTION TO TAKE, I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT, PLEASE.

SO MOVED. SO MOVED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. COX AND SECOND, BY MRS. WAYMACK THAT WE WOULD ADJOURN AT THIS TIME.

MISS. MISS KNOT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. COX? YES. MRS. WAYMACK? YES, MR. BROWN? YES.

MR. WEBB? YES. MR. PUGH? YES. MOTION CARRIED.

WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.