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CALL TO ORDER THE PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION BUSINESS MEETING FOR THURSDAY,
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OCTOBER THE 23RD, 2025. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.MR. BRESKO. MR. WAYMACK. HERE. MR. BROCKWELL ABSENT.
MR. MCDONOUGH. HERE. MISS ANDERSON. HERE. MISS CANEPA.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
COMMISSIONERS, YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.
[ADOPTION OF AGENDA]
AT THIS TIME, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA.MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA AS WRITTEN. SECOND.
MOTION AND SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE, MR. MCDONOUGH. YES. MISS CANEPA. YES. MISS. ANDERSON.
YES. MR. BRESKO. YES. MR. HOWELL. YES. MR. WAYMACK.
YES. AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS OPEN TO ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSIONERS ON TOPICS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA AS PUBLIC HEARINGS THIS EVENING. AFTER APPROACHING THE PODIUM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
I HEREBY OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
THERE BEING NO ONE, I HEREBY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PERIOD.
ARE THERE ANY COMMISSIONERS THAT WISH TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS? THERE BEING NONE. THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES OF THE SEPTEMBER 25,
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2025 WORK SESSION. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THERE'S THERE'S ONE EDIT THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE, IN REGARD TO THOSE MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 25TH.IT'S ON OR PAGE FIVE, PARAGRAPH FIVE. RATHER THAN THAT TO BE REBECCA BURROW COOK, IT'S REBECCA BURROW KIRK. K I R K, I BELIEVE.
THANK YOU. AND SO I THINK WE'LL MAKE THAT CORRECTION FOR THE BUSINESS MEETING MINUTES THAT AND I THINK YOU'RE CURRENTLY ABOUT TO VOTE ON THE WORK SESSION. THAT WAS IT.
AND I WAS. ON THE BUSINESS MEETING OR THE WORK SESSION? THAT WAS ON THE 25TH, THE WORK SESSION. WAS THAT UNDER TAB THREE OR UNDER TAB TWO? IT WAS UNDER TAB THREE. OKAY. SO THAT WAS A REGULAR MEETING.
YES, SIR. WE GOT WE'LL MAKE THAT CHANGE RIGHT.
IS THERE A MOTION? I MOVE TO ADOPT THE WORK SESSION MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 25TH AS WRITTEN.
SECOND. MOTION AND SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
MISS ANDERSON. YES. MR. MCDONOUGH. YES. MR. BRESKO.
YES. MR. HOWELL. YES. MR. WAYMACK. YES. MISS CANEPA.
YES. NEXT IS THE ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES OF THE SEPTEMBER 2525 BUSINESS MEETING. IF THERE ARE NO ADDITIONS OR WITH THE ONE CORRECTION.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THEM? SO MOVED WITH THE CORRECTION OF MR. WAYMACK. SECOND. MOTION AND SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
MR. MCDONOUGH. YES. MR. HOWELL. YES. MR. BRESKO.
YES. MISS ANDERSON. YES. MR. WAYMACK. YES. MISS CANEPA.
YES. AT THIS TIME, WE ARE NOW ENTERING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS PORTION OF TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS]
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EACH PUBLIC HEARING CORRESPONDS TO AN APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY FOR REVIEW.FOR EACH APPLICATION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS REQUIRED TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. VOTES BY THE COMMISSION ARE ADVISORY ONLY.
IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING DURING A PUBLIC HEARING PERIOD.
THE FIRST CASE IS ZONING # RZ-25-0005.
YES. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS REZONING RZ-25-0005.
APPLICANT IS WINMAR ADVISORY DEVELOPMENT, LLC AND PROPERTY OWNERS SHIV I, INC.
AND THIS REQUEST IS TO CONDITIONALLY REZONE APPROXIMATELY 27 ACRES FROM M-1 LIMITED INDUSTRIAL, M-2 GENERAL INDUSTRIAL AND B-1 GENERAL BUSINESS TO R-TH, RESIDENTIAL TOWNHOUSE IN ORDER TO DEVELOP A MAXIMUM OF 206 TOWNHOUSE UNITS. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF FOUNTAIN DRIVE AND NEW BOHEMIA DRIVE AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INDICATES A PLAN FOR INDUSTRIAL USES.
AND THIS CASE WAS DEFERRED FROM LAST MONTH TO THIS MONTH.
SO HERE IS JUST A LOCATION MAP SHOWING THE LOCATION IN THE COUNTY.
AND IN THE TOP RIGHT A MORE BROAD VIEW OF THE COUNTY AND WHERE IT IS.
AND HERE'S A SATELLITE VIEW OF THE PROPERTY. AND THE ZONING MAP, WHICH SHOWS THE MIX OF ZONING ON THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING B-1 AND RA, AS WELL AS M-1 AND M-2 ON THE PROPERTY. HERE'S THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WHICH INDICATES IT'S PLANNED FOR INDUSTRIAL AND SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE PLANNED FOR INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL. AGAIN, JUST TO SUMMARIZE THE REQUEST, IT'S A REZONING OF 27 ACRES FROM M-1, M-2 AND B-1 TO R-TH SUBJECT TO PROPER CONDITIONS IN ORDER TO DEVELOP 206 TOWNHOUSE UNITS AND VOLUNTARY PROFFERS WERE SUBMITTED. THE LOCATION IS BORDERING WEST QUAKER ROAD, AND THE ENTRANCE WOULD BE AT THE INTERSECTION OF FOUNTAIN DRIVE AND NEW BOHEMIA DRIVE. AND HERE'S THE SITE LAYOUT AND CONCEPTUAL MAP.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO ENTRANCES ON NEW BOHEMIA DRIVE.
JUST TO SUMMARIZE THE PROFFERS HERE THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN IS TO BE ADHERED TO, INCLUDING GENERAL LAYOUT OF ROADS, LOT SIDEWALKS, OPEN SPACE AND AMENITIES. THERE'S A CAP ON THE TOTAL NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS, WHICH IS 206, AND A CASH PROFFER IS OFFERED OF $4,692 PER UNIT.
MINIMUM DWELLING SIZE OF 1200 SQUARE FEET. PUBLIC SEWER AND WATER WITH UNDERGROUND UTILITIES.
EACH UNIT TO BE FOR SALE FOR OWNERSHIP. AND THEN THE PHASING OF THE PROJECT WOULD BE THAT NO CO COULD BE ISSUED BEFORE MARCH 2027, AND A MAXIMUM OF 100 ISSUED BEFORE MARCH OF 2028.
MINIMUM OF TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES PER UNIT.
TO SUMMARIZE STAFF'S REVIEW, STAFF FOUND IT TO BE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND TO BE DETERMINED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHETHER IT'S CONSISTENT WITH SURROUNDING ZONING AND LAND USES.
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DETAILED IN THE STAFF REPORT IS DEMANDS ON PUBLIC SERVICES AND FACILITIES SUCH AS SCHOOLS AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC.STAFF GENERALLY HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE PROPOSED PROFFERS, EXCEPT NOTES THAT THE PROPOSED CASH PROFFER AMOUNT WAS 26% OF THE MAXIMUM RECOMMENDED AMOUNT PER THE CASH PROFFER POLICY. AND THEN, JUST TO SUMMARIZE WHAT OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES SAID, VDOT NOTED THAT THREE EXTERNAL CONNECTIONS ARE NEEDED AT CHAPTER 527 TIA IS NOT REQUIRED, AND SIDEWALKS WILL BE REQUIRED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.
UTILITIES NOTED CONSTRAINTS ON PUBLIC WATER AND WASTEWATER CAPACITY.
AND THAT THERE'S PROJECTS IN PROGRESS TO PROVIDE MORE CAPACITY.
FIRE AND EMS NOTED SOME CONSTRAINTS, AND THE SCHOOLS DIVISION NOTED SOME CAPACITY CONCERNS FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL AS WELL AS MIDDLE ROAD ELEMENTARY. TWO COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION, AND THOSE WERE PROVIDED, ONE IN THE STAFF REPORT AND ONE WHICH WAS PROVIDED AFTER THE PUBLISHING OF THE STAFF REPORT IS DOCUMENTED ON PAPER IN FRONT OF YOU AS WELL AS WAS EMAILED TO YOU.
STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL BASED ON THE FINDINGS THAT IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SEE THE STAFF REPORT FOR MORE NUANCED REVIEW COMMENTS ABOUT CONSISTENCY WITH SURROUNDING ZONING AND LAND USES.
BUT IT'S TO BE DETERMINED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHETHER THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT OR COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING ZONING AND LAND USES, AND WHETHER ALL CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED.
SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND HAS HIS OWN PRESENTATION TO ALSO GIVE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU. WE´LL HEAR THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION TONIGHT.
I USED TO SERVE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND I UNDERSTAND THE SERVICE, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THIS IS, AS YOU HEARD, A TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED, WE THINK IS IN A PERFECT SITUATION, OUR LOCATION FOR THE COUNTY.
I KNOW THE COUNTY IS UNDERGOING ITS REVIEW OF ITS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AREA, THERE IS A SEA OF INDUSTRIAL AROUND HERE.
BECAUSE YOUR BUSINESSES, YOU NEED SOME ROOFTOPS FOR YOUR BUSINESSES, YOUR EMPLOYERS.
AND SO THIS IS STRATEGICALLY LOCATED NOT IN A RURAL AREA, BUT IN A PLACE WHERE YOU WANT EMPLOYMENT FOR ACCESS FOR YOUR BUSINESSES, YOUR EMPLOYERS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT WHILE STILL RETAINING A GREAT DEAL OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL BUSINESS AROUND IT.
AND THIS WOULD SERVE THOSE USES. THIS IS SHOWING A WIDER VIEW SHOWING ALL THE UNDEVELOPED LAND AROUND IT, WHICH WE THINK MAKES IT APPROPRIATE FOR A MIXED USE COMPONENT WHERE YOU HAVE RETAIL, OFFICE, COMMERCIAL, SOME INDUSTRIAL. AND HAVING A TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH, I THINK, WHAT SHOULD BE THE LONG TERM VISION. I MEAN, THE COMP PLAN IS A GUIDE, AND I THINK THIS MEETS THE INTENT AND OBJECTIVES OF WHAT THE COUNTY I THINK WANTS, BECAUSE WE THINK IT WILL HELP FACILITATE WHAT YOU WANT TO DEVELOP IN THAT AREA AND SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES AROUND THERE.
THIS IS THE LAYOUT. AND I THINK AS YOU'VE SEEN IT, IT'S A VERY DETAILED LAYOUT.
IT'S NOT ILLUSTRATIVE. WE HAVE TO SUBSTANTIALLY CONFORM WITH IT.
THIS IS DESIGNED TO TARGET FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS.
WE THINK IT'S VERY ATTRACTIVE BECAUSE, AS I MENTIONED A MINUTE, TOWNHOMES HISTORICALLY HAVE MUCH FEWER STUDENTS THAN SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES. AND THIS IS GOING TO BE TARGETED FOR FIRST TIME BUYERS, WHICH AGAIN, HAVE FEWER CHILDREN.
BUT IT'S GOING TO HAVE A NUMBER OF AMENITIES.
AND THE PROFIT CONDITIONS WITH STAFF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH.
I APOLOGIZE FOR THE TYPO. THE DENSITY IS CAPPED AT 206.
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WE'VE DONE A CONCEPTUAL PLAN TO GUIDE THE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS A BINDING DOCUMENT.SO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
IT'S FOR OWNERSHIP. IT TRACKS, TO A LARGE EXTENT, A PREVIOUS TOWNHOME CASE THAT WAS APPROVED.
IT'LL HAVE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES CONNECTED TO WATER AND SEWER.
THERE'S A PHASING PLAN, SO YOU'RE NOT HAVING THEM ALL IMMEDIATELY COME ONBOARD.
+IT HAS EXTENSIVE COMMON AREA AND AMENITIES. I MEAN, THIS IS DESIGNED SO IT'S NOT JUST A DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS NO AMENITIES FOR THE RESIDENTS. IT'S INTENDED TO BE A VERY WALKABLE COMMUNITY WITH EXTENSIVE AMENITIES THAT WILL MAKE IT VERY ATTRACTIVE.
A MANDATORY HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION AND ANYTHING THAT VDOT REQUIRES, WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO.
IT'LL HAVE A FIVE FOOT WIDE ASPHALT WALKING PATH, AMONG OTHER THINGS A 400 SQUARE FOOT PAVILION, A COMMERCIAL GRADE PLAYGROUND, BENCHES, SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT, AND A VERY ATTRACTIVE ENTRANCE FEATURE.
I THINK SOMETIMES IT CAN BE CHALLENGES OF HAVING PARKS AND PROVIDING THEM TO THE PUBLIC GENERALLY.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ATTRACTIVE AMENITIES AND RECREATIONAL FEATURES, WHICH WILL INCLUDE A PARK, A MULTI PURPOSE FIELD AND THE PAVILION, AS I MENTIONED.
AS I SAID, THIS ISN'T SOMEWHERE OUT IN THE RURAL AREA.
AND YOU NEED TO HAVE, LIKE I SAID, THOSE ROOFTOPS.
THERE MINIMAL TRAFFIC IMPACTS, AS I INDICATED.
WE'RE MEETING ALL THE VDOT STANDARDS AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, AS THE AS THE DOCUMENTS ARE SHOWED, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE WE'RE FAR BELOW THE THRESHOLD FOR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
IT IS SO LOW. WE'RE NOT ANYWHERE NEAR OF EVEN REQUIRING ANY TURN LANES OR TAPER.
AND I THANK YOU. AND FOR THE TRAFFIC, I WOULD NOTE THAT WE'RE ALREADY ZONED B AND INDUSTRIAL.
SO I'LL BE DELIGHTED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
QUESTIONS? SO LOOKING AT THE PICTURE, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THE BLUE LINE.
WELL, CAN YOU GO BACK? DO YOU HAVE THE CLICKER? THE LAYOUT OF THE.
YEAH. THAT ONE, THAT ONE. SO IT'S GOT AN ACCUMULATION OF 9.2 AND 2.8.
WITH ALL THE WITH ALL THE FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE ON THEM, INCLUDING THE WALKING TRAILS, THE PAVILION, THE PLAYGROUND, THE MULTI MULTI-PURPOSE FIELD.
OKAY. IS YOUR QUESTION WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED OR I JUST, I FIGURE IF, IF THE OUTLINE IS 27 ACRES AND YOU BREAK IT IN HALF, THAT'S CLOSE TO 12. I DON'T SEE 12 ACRES OF COMMON AREA OR MAN.
WE THINK IT DOES ADD UP AND WE'VE PROFFERED IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS. PUBLIC HEARING? PUBLIC HEARING? OH, THAT'S RIGHT. I KNOW YOU CAUSED IT.
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AT THIS TIME, THIS BEING A PUBLIC HEARING, I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR ANYONE THAT WISHES TO COME SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL. REZONING.HI THERE, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS [INAUDIBLE], AND I'M REPRESENTING [INAUDIBLE] THAT OWNS LOT 37. THAT'S THE FARM. IT'S NOT VACANT. IT'S AN ACTIVELY FARM THAT IS RIGHT BEHIND THE PROPERTY.
AND DO YOU NEED HER ADDRESS OR MY ADDRESS? OR WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM ME? I DO NOT LIVE IN THE COUNTY, BUT SHE WAS HERE LAST MONTH AND TO SPEAK, AND SHE'S 90 YEARS OLD AND IS UNABLE TO MAKE IT TONIGHT. SO SHE ASKED ME TO COME. AND WHAT'S HER ADDRESS? IT'S 6621, SAINT LAWRENCE. PRINCE GEORGE 23875.
AND SHE ALSO OWNS THIS FARM. IT'S BEEN IN THE FAMILY FOR A LONG TIME.
SO WE'RE OPPOSED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT. I GUESS MY TIME'S ALREADY STARTED.
SO IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE SECOND SET OF INFORMATION THAT IS AUTHORED BY ME AND ALSO HAVE THE HEIRS TO THE PROPERTY, THE DAUGHTERS OF MISS [INAUDIBLE] WITH ME WHICH SHE'S ALSO GIVEN PERMISSION TO SPEAK ON HER BEHALF TONIGHT.
BUT THERE ARE CONCERNS BECAUSE THIS IS AN INDUSTRY AREA.
AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THESE HOUSES THERE, AND IT'S A HIGH IMPACT HOUSING AREA.
I WORKED FOR THE RURAL UTILITY SERVICE, THE USDA RURAL HOUSING SERVICE.
I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN WATER AND WASTE, SOLID WASTE, STORM WATER.
I'M TELLING YOU, THIS IS A HIGH CONCENTRATION.
WE HAVE REAL CONCERNS WITH THE PROPERTY AFFECTING THE FARMER.
AND ALSO, AS WE KNOW AND I DISAGREE WITH HIM AND BEING WITH THE RURAL HOUSING SERVICE, I FINANCED A LOT OF HOUSING, TOWN HOUSING, FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS. HE MAY BE RIGHT WHEN THEY BUY THE HOUSE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TOO MANY KIDS, BUT THEY'RE BUYING A HOUSE SO THEY CAN HAVE A FAMILY.
THAT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE IMPACT ON THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
HE'S PUTTING TWO DRIVEWAYS. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY 412 VEHICLES.
NOW WE DRIVE THAT ROAD A LOT, AND WE'VE ALMOST BEEN HIT BY PEOPLE COMING OUT OF NEW BOHEMIAN.
AND DO I HAVE A FEW MORE SECONDS? AND YOUR TIME IS EXPIRED.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS REZONING CASE? MY NAME IS [INAUDIBLE] AND I LIVE AT 3106 TINSLEY TERRACE, IN PRINCE GEORGE.
AND AS [INAUDIBLE] MENTIONED, IT'S BEING FARMED NOW.
AND IF THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING HIKING AND WALKING TRAILS AND IF IT'S GOING TO BE COMING NEAR WHERE THE FARMER IS, I THINK IT COULD BE PROBLEMS FOR BOTH HIM AND THE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWNHOUSES, BECAUSE HE USES A LOT OF EQUIPMENT AND THERE'S A LOT OF
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CHEMICALS, AND WE DON'T WANT EITHER HIM OR THE RESIDENTS TO BE AFFECTED BY THAT.SO IF THIS WAS DONE, WE WOULD ASK FOR A SIX FOOT BERM AND PRIVACY FENCE AROUND THE PROPERTY TO KEEP THE RESIDENTS AWAY AND TO ALSO PROTECT THE FARMERS EQUIPMENT.
AND ALSO THE PROPERTY WAS THE. ALL OF THE ROAD FRONTAGE WAS TAKEN AWAY 27 YEARS AGO. SAID THAT THE COUNTY MAY NEED IT IN THE FUTURE.
WELL, IN 27 YEARS THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WITH IT, SO IT'S AFFECTED THE USE OF ANYTHING THAT WE WANTED TO DO WITH THE ROAD FRONTAGE AND ALSO HAS DEVALUED THE PROPERTY.
THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? THERE BEING NO ONE ELSE. I HEREBY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
OKAY. NOW I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR THEIR WISHES.
SECOND. MOTION AND SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
MR. BRESKO. YES. MR. WAYMACK. YES. MISS ANDERSON.
YES. MISS CANEPA. NO. MR. MCDONOUGH. YES. MR. HOWELL. THIS CASE WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR DENIAL.
NEXT IS REZONING # RZ 25-. NO, THAT'S NOT THE ONE.
THAT'S THE SAME ONE. REZONING # RZ-25-0006. REQUEST TO CONDITIONALLY REZONE APPROXIMATELY 17 ACRES FROM LIMITED RESIDENTIAL TO RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL TO R-3, GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
ALL RIGHT. YEP. SO YOU SAID IT FOR ME THERE. 17 ACRES REZONING TO R-3 FROM R-2 AND R-A.
AND THE INTENT IS TO DEVELOP A 50 LOT, AGE-RESTRICTED COMMUNITY.
IT'S LOCATED AT PRINCE GEORGE DRIVE STRIP OF THREE PARCELS.
AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INDICATES THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE IS PLANNED FOR RESIDENTIAL USES.
AND HERE IS THE LOCATION MAP SHOWING THE GENERAL LOCATION IN THE COUNTY.
A CLOSER IN SATELLITE VIEW. ZONING MAP, WHICH SHOWS THAT THESE PARCELS ARE SPLIT ZONED R-A AND R-2 SURROUNDING R-2 AND M-1 AS WELL AS B-1. AND R-1. AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH INDICATES THAT THIS PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE PLANNED FOR RESIDENTIAL AND OTHER SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE PLANNED FOR INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL. AGAIN, JUST TO SUMMARIZE, THIS REQUEST IS TO REZONE 16.7 ACRES FROM R-A AND R-2 TO R-3 TO DEVELOP A 50 LOT, AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITY WITH A PRIVATE ROAD DOWN THE MIDDLE, AND VOLUNTARY PROFFERS WERE SUBMITTED, AND THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL MAP
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SHOWING THE PROPOSED SITE LAYOUT. TO SUMMARIZE, THE PROFFERS OWNERS AND RENTERS ARE REQUIRED TO BE 55 AND UP, AND THE PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS FOR AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITIES.AND THIS REQUEST IS NOT TO BE SUBJECT TO SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
AS WELL AS THERE'S A CAP OF A MAXIMUM OF 50 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, GENERAL CONFORMANCE WITH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS TO BE THE ONLY DWELLING TYPE, AS WELL AS A CASH PROFFER OF $1,500 PER UNIT. STAFF´S LAND USE REVIEW FOUND THAT THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SURROUNDING ZONING, AND IT IS TO BE DETERMINED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHETHER IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING LAND USES AND DETAILED IN YOUR STAFF.
SINCE THE PROFFERS ARE SUBSTANTIALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION LAND USE, STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO THIS PROFFER, AND THE CASH PROFFER AMOUNT IS 7% OF THE MAXIMUM RECOMMENDED AMOUNT PER THE CASH PROFFER POLICY, OR 51% IF SCHOOLS ARE EXCLUDED FROM THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT.
VDOT NOTED THAT THE PROPOSED ENTRANCE DOES NOT MEET SPACING STANDARDS, AND AN EXCEPTION CAN BE REQUESTED, AND A COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE WILL BE REQUIRED FOR THE PRIVATE ROAD, AND IF TURN LANES ARE WARRANTED, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED. UTILITIES NOTED THAT THE EXTENSION AND CONNECTION TO PUBLIC WATER AND WASTEWATER IS REQUIRED BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION IN THE PLANNING AREA.
FIRE AND EMS NOTED CONSTRAINTS SUCH AS LIMITED STAFFING AND DISTANCE STATIONS.
HOWEVER, NO COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED FROM THE PUBLIC.
STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE PROFFERED CONDITIONS.
BASED ON THE FINDINGS THAT IN STAFF'S OPINION, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SURROUNDING ZONING DISTRICTS, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH CURRENT LAND USES ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND WHETHER ALL CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION ON THIS REZONING REQUEST.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR WOULD LIKE TO INVITE THE APPLICANT UP TO SPEAK.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NONE FOR STAFF. SO THANK YOU AND WE'LL LISTEN TO THE APPLICANT.
GOOD EVENING, BOARD. MY NAME IS [INAUDIBLE], 8724 CENTENNIAL.
I AM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPER FOR THIS PROJECT.
THIS IS MY FIRST DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY. AND I'VE TRIED TO CHECK ALL THE BOXES ON IT.
YOU KNOW, WE LIKE TO TRY TO CONSERVE OUR RURAL CHARACTER.
SO WE'RE WORKING INSIDE THE PLANNING DISTRICT.
WE HAVE A ABSOLUTE DESPERATE NEED FOR A 55 AND UP COMMUNITY.
THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN EXTREMELY CONCERNED ABOUT OVERCROWDING IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS. AND I WENT TO SCHOOL HERE. MY CHILDREN WENT TO SCHOOL HERE.
WE'RE WELL AWARE OF THE OVERCROWDING IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, SO A 55 AND UP DOESN'T AFFECT IT.
THEY CAN COME VISIT AND THEY CAN STAY OVERNIGHT, BUT THERE IS A LIMITED AMOUNT THAT THEY CAN STAY.
SO THEY CAN'T LIVE THERE. SO THIS SHOULD NOT AFFECT SCHOOLS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
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I FEEL IT'S IN THE RIGHT AREA. I KNOW THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT OFF STREET PARKING.IF YOU IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THE HOUSES WON'T BE THE SIZE OF THE SQUARE.
THAT IS THE SETBACKS AND EASEMENTS FOR THE HOUSES SO THAT THEY CAN FIT INSIDE OF THAT SQUARE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIMENSIONS OF THAT SQUARE, IT WOULD PUT THE HOUSES UP OVER 3000FT².
WE HAVE NO INTEREST IN BUILDING RETIREMENT HOUSES THAT LARGE.
SO THERE WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO ALL STREET PARKING.
AND THERE WILL BE MORE THAN ENOUGH ROOM FOR OFF STREET PARKING FOR EVERY HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE EXPECTATION IS WATER SHOULD BE AVAILABLE AT THE END OF 2026.
SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 1.5 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY AND A HALF A MILLION GALLONS PER DAY, DEPENDING ON WHAT'S ALLOCATED TOWARDS THE SEWER PROGRAM THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. SO I'VE BEEN IN SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH THE COUNTY ENGINEER ON THAT.
IF APPROVED WE WOULD HAVE TO GO IN AND DO CURB AND GUTTER.
WE'D HAVE TO DO ROAD, WE'D HAVE TO DO VDOT STUDIES.
YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT TAKE TIME.
AND WE WOULD BE EXPECTING LATE 2026, EARLY 2027 BEFORE WE WOULD BE READY FOR THIS.
SO IT SHOULD FALL IN LINE DIRECTLY WITH THE WATER AVAILABILITY.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS YOU ARE ALLOCATED WATER WHEN YOU APPLY FOR A BUILDING PERMIT, IT'S 345 GALLONS PER HOUSE AND IT'S FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE.
SO WHEN YOU START APPLYING FOR BUILDING PERMITS PER HOUSE, THAT IS WHEN YOU'RE ALLOCATED YOUR WATER.
SO IF IF THEY RUN OUT, YOU WAIT UNTIL IT'S AVAILABLE.
THE OTHER OPTION THAT WE HAVE THAT WE HAVE EXPLORED FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS THEY WILL ALLOW INDEPENDENT NEIGHBORHOOD WELLS WITH WATER TANKS. NOW AND THAT IS A COST TO THE DEVELOPER.
[INAUDIBLE], I'VE ALREADY SPOKE WITH THEM ABOUT INSTALLING THE WELL, IT'S ABOUT $100,000 COST.
IT'S GOT A UP TO 320 GALLON PER MINUTE FLOW RATE.
SO IT'S AN EXTREMELY HIGH FLOW RATE GOES DOWN BETWEEN 6 AND 800FT.
THEY'RE MORE THAN CAPABLE OF HANDLING IT. SO IF FOR ANY REASON WE GET THE DEVELOPMENT UP AND RUNNING AND SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED TO WHERE WE DON'T HAVE ABILITY TO TIE INTO THE COUNTY'S WATER, WE INSTALL THE COUNTY WELL AND THE TANK.
WE RUN EVERYTHING JUST LIKE IT'S TYPICAL WATER AND SEWER.
AND WE STUB IT ABOUT FIVE FEET FROM THE COUNTY'S WATER LINE.
SO WE'VE TRIED TO DO AS MUCH RESEARCH. WE'VE TRIED TO.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYTHING? ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE NONE. YOU ANSWERED MINE. OKAY. GOOD WORK WITH YOUR PRESENTATION.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THIS BEING A PUBLIC HEARING, I HEREBY OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS REZONING.
I HEREBY OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. GOOD EVENING.
GOOD EVENING, [INAUDIBLE]. 9807 COUNTY LINE ROAD.
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ZONING AND DEVELOPERS AND ISSUES LIKE THIS ONE.THIS PROPOSAL IN CHESTERFIELD COUNTY WOULD BE LABELED AS MARKETED TO 55 AND UP.
THEY WOULD ALLOW ANYBODY IN THERE. THEY WOULD ALLOW ANYBODY TO BUY IT.
THEY WOULD ALLOW YOU TO SELL IT TO ANY AGE GROUP.
AND WHAT YOU WOULD FIND OUT IS THESE 55 AND UP, AGE RESTRICTED NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD HAVE SIX AND SEVEN SCHOOL BUSSES IN THEM EVERY MORNING, TYING UP TRAFFIC AND OVERLOADING THE SCHOOLS.
THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEING DONE PROPERLY.
RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT TARGETED AND RESTRICTED.
AND THE RESTRICTIONS HAVE TO BE VERY TIGHT. I'VE TALKED TO THESE GENTLEMEN THAT HAVE PUT THIS THING TOGETHER, AND I'M VERY IMPRESSED WITH WHAT THEY'VE DONE, WHETHER IT'S THE COUNTY THAT ENFORCES THE AGE RESTRICTION OR IT'S THE HOA THAT DOES IT.
I'M NOT CLEAR. SOMEBODY'S GOT TO DO IT. AND I'M PRETTY SURE USUALLY IN AN HOA ENVIRONMENT, THEY'VE GOT TO APPROVE AND DISAPPROVE SALES OF PROPERTY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ANYWAY.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT.
BUT THIS IS A VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT AND LOCATED DEVELOPMENT.
FOR THAT REASON, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? IF NOT, I HEREBY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION.
THIS PROPERTY RIGHT NOW IS COMPLETELY WOODED, RIGHT? YES. HAS THERE BEEN ANY. HAVE YOU DONE A WETLANDS TEST ON IT? NO, WE HAVE NOT DONE A WETLANDS TEST ON IT. WE HAVE WALKED IT FRONT TO BACK NUMEROUS TIMES.
THERE IS NO SIGN AT ALL OF ANY WETLANDS ON IT.
THE TOPOGRAPHY SHOWS THAT IT'S LESS THAN FOUR FOOT ELEVATION CHANGE FROM FRONT TO BACK.
I'VE SPOKE WITH THE ORIGINAL OWNERS OF IT, THE [INAUDIBLE].
IT WAS THEIR FAMILY PROPERTY ORIGINALLY AND IT WAS DEEDED OVER TO THEIR COUSINS, THE [INAUDIBLE].
AND I TALKED TO [INAUDIBLE] ABOUT IT. HE SAID THAT USED TO BE PART OF THE FARM.
DOESN'T HAVE ANY VISIBLE WETLANDS ON IT. AND, OF COURSE, WE'RE STILL BEHOLDEN TO THAT WHEN THEY GO IN TO DELINEATE FOR WETLANDS THAT IF THEY DECIDE THAT SOMETHING LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE THEN WE HAVE THE ROOM ON THE DEVELOPMENT TO SHIFT AND ADJUST LOTS.
WE WILL HAVE PICNIC TABLES, A SMALL PAVILION AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO REDUCE LOTS FOR ANY REASON IF THAT PRESENTS A PROBLEM AS WELL.
THANK YOU. I ACTUALLY HAVE ONE QUESTION ALSO, MR. [INAUDIBLE]´S STATEMENT ACTUALLY MADE ME THINK OF IT. SO WHO DOES ENFORCE THE 55 OR OLDER.
AND I'M ASKING BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IF A PARENT UNFORTUNATELY PASSES AWAY OR SOMETHING AND THE GRANDPARENTS END UP WITH CUSTODY OF A CHILD? YOU KNOW, IN THOSE SITUATIONS, I WOULDN'T PERSONALLY WANT TO EXCLUDE THAT CHILD FROM HAVING THEIR GRANDPARENTS OR FORCING SOMEONE TO SELL. SO I'M JUST WONDERING, LIKE IN THAT KIND OF A SITUATION, WHAT HAPPENS? RIGHT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE HOA ENFORCES AND THEY SIGN OFF ON ANY SALES AND TRANSFERS.
BUT BEING THAT IT'S PROFFERED, THE COUNTY HAS TEETH IN THAT AS WELL.
THEY CAN ENFORCE AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S BEING DONE IMPROPERLY.
WHEN IT COMES TO A SITUATION WITH CUSTODY, I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY WOULD HANDLE THAT.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT GETS HANDLED, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PROFFERS THAT WE'VE PRESENTED, NO ONE UNDER THE AGE OF 18 IS ALLOWED TO STAY THERE MORE THAN 35 DAYS DURING A CALENDAR YEAR.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF IT COMES TO A SITUATION LIKE THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE FORCED TO MOVE. I'M NOT SURE OF THE LEGALITIES OF THAT.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE SUPERVISORS FOR.
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I THINK TIM WAS GOING TO SAY SOMETHING. YEAH. WE'LL ALSO COMMENT THAT THERE'S STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS THAT REGULATE THESE KIND OF COMMUNITIES.AND IT IS TRUE THAT, IF THE COUNTY NEEDS TO, THEN IT CAN ALSO.
IT CAN ENFORCE THE PROFFERS THAT WOULD BE IN IN PLAY HERE.
OKAY. AT THIS TIME I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE A MOTION.
I APPROVE TO FORWARD REQUEST RZ- 25-0006 TO THE BOARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO THE PROPER CONDITIONS. REASONS FOR THIS ARE, IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING DISTRICTS.
I WOULD EXPECT IT TO BENEFIT THE GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY, AND IT APPEARS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS ADDRESSED ALL IMPACTS THAT WERE OF CONCERN TO US. SECOND. MOTION AND SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
MR. MCDONOUGH. YES, MISS. ANDERSON. YES. MISS CANEPA.
YES. MR. WAYMACK. YES. MR. HOWELL. YES. MR. BRESKO.
YES. THIS WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL.
NEXT IS COMMUNICATIONS. MR. GRAVES.
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ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. I'M GOING TO LOOK THROUGH THE COMMUNICATIONS ITEMS THAT WE HAVE IN THE AGENDA.REGARDING THE ACTIONS OF THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, NOTHING HAPPENED RECENTLY ON THAT.
THE BOARD DID NOT HAVE A MEETING ON THIS MONTH OR LAST MONTH.
ACTIONS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. YOU HAVE, OF COURSE IN YOUR PACKET SOME RECAPS ON THOSE ON WHAT HAPPENED AT THE RECENT BOARD MEETINGS. AND OF COURSE, YOU ALSO WERE IN ATTENDANCE UP HERE ALONG WITH THE BOARD FOR THE JOINT WORK SESSION THAT HAPPENED LAST NIGHT.
AND YOU TALKED ABOUT SOME KEY ISSUES IN THE PLAN.
OUR KEY TOPICS, REALLY, AND THOSE ARE COMING BACK UP IN A MINUTE HERE WHEN I KEEP WORKING MY WAY THROUGH THESE COMMUNICATIONS. SO UPCOMING PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR NEXT MONTH.
THERE ARE CURRENTLY NONE SCHEDULED FOR NEXT MONTH.
BUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PUBLIC HEARING IS SCHEDULED FOR NEXT MONTH.
THAT IS THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO THAT IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
IT'S JUST NOT A CASE LIKE YOU HAD TONIGHT, OF COURSE.
UPDATES ON SPECIAL PROJECTS. SO REGARDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS DISCUSSED IN THE WORK SESSION, STAFF STRONGLY SUGGESTS HAVING A WORK SESSION AND ADDING A WORK SESSION TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TOPICS IN SOME MORE DETAIL BEFORE YOU GET TO THE NIGHT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE SUGGESTED TIME IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT IS.
DATE IS NOVEMBER 17TH, AND I'LL SAY 5:30, BUT YOU COULD MAKE IT 6:00 IF YOU WANT TO.
THAT'S THE SUGGESTED DATE FROM STAFF ANYWAY. I MOTION TO ADD THE EXTRA WORK SESSION ON NOVEMBER 17TH AT 5:30 P.M. SECOND. MOTION AND SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE, MR. HOWELL. YES. MISS ANDERSON. YES. MISS CANEPA0.
YES. MR. BRESKO. YES. MR. WAYMACK. YES. MR. MCDONOUGH.
YES. GREAT. SO WE'LL ADD THAT TO THE SCHEDULE.
SO UPDATES ON THE. THE NEXT SPECIAL PROJECT THAT WE'VE LISTED HERE IS THE ZONING ORDINANCE, SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE MODERNIZATION PROJECT. WE GAVE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE ON THAT DURING THE WORK SESSION.
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IT CORRESPONDS TO TAB SEVEN WHERE THERE'S A PROJECT PLAN FOR THAT.THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN. THE COMMITTEE HELD ITS MEETINGS AND IT RANKED THE PROJECTS.
THERE'S SOME FINANCIAL ANALYSIS GOING ON FOR THOSE.
AND THERE WILL BE A, YOU KNOW, A TIME DURING A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, I THINK IT'S IN DECEMBER WHERE YOU'LL ALL HEAR THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE. SO THAT'S ALL THE PREPARED COMMUNICATIONS.
DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR REQUESTS OF STAFF? THE ONLY THING QUESTION I HAVE IS, AFTER THE JOINT MEETING WE HAD LAST NIGHT AND, AND THE BIG DISCUSSION WAS ON LOT SIZES. IS THERE ANY. COULD YOU GET US WHAT LOT SIZES ARE ADJOINING AREA AND STATEWIDE? LIKE IN THE NEARBY AREAS WHAT THEY HAVE RURAL AND WHATEVER. SO WHAT ARE SOME TYPICAL.
OKAY, I GOT YOU. SOME TYPICAL LOT SIZES IN RURAL AREAS.
RURAL AREAS. LIKE THIS COUNTY. LIKE THIS COUNTY IS, YEAH.
AND SOME OTHER COUNTIES, AND. IN NEIGHBORING IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, RIGHT? AND THEN EVEN FURTHER STATEWIDE. SURE. YEAH. WE CAN DO SOME RESEARCH ON THAT AND REPORT BACK TO YOU.
THAT DOES SOUND LIKE USEFUL INFORMATION THERE.
SO. YEP, YEP. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
SO MOVED. MOTION AND SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
MR. HOWELL. MISS ANDERSON. YES. MISS CANEPA. YES.
MR. BRESKO. YES. MR. WAYMACK. YES. MR. MCDONOUGH.
YES. MEETING ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.