[A. Call to Order (6:00 pm)] [00:00:03] >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. TODAY IS AUGUST THE 14TH. THIS IS NOW TIME FOR OUR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WORK SESSION. WE DON'T HAVE ANY ELECTRONIC PARTICIPATION. MR. STOKE WILL BE HERE IN JUST A MINUTE. MRS. KNOT, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE, WOULD YOU MIND CALLING THE ROLL? >> MR. BROWN. >> HERE. >> MRS. WAYMACK. >> HERE. >> MR. COX. >> HERE. >> MR. PUGH. >> HERE. >> MR. WEBB. >> HERE. >> THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE IS THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA. I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION, PLEASE. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. COX AND SECONDED BY MR. PUGH THAT WE WOULD ADOPT THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED. YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? MRS. KNOT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? >> MRS. WAYMACK. >> YES. >> MR. COX. >> YES. >> MR. PUGH. >> YES. >> MR. WEBB. >> YES. >> MR. BROWN. >> YES. I WILL DO THE BOARD'S INVOCATION. [B. Business Meeting] THEN I'LL ASK MR. PUGH IF HE WOULD DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. IS THAT THE TIME I'LL DO THE BOARD'S INVOCATION? HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING JUST SIMPLY TO SAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US YET TO SEE ANOTHER DAY. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU AND WE ADORE YOU, AND WE ASK THAT YOU BE WITH THIS BOARD THIS EVENING AS WE WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT THROUGH THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE AND WORK SESSION. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE ASK YOU TO LOOK AFTER ALL OF THOSE HERE IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY, MORE ESPECIALLY WATCH OUT FOR ALL OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY, OUR FIRE, OUR EMS, OUR POLICE, OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. WE ALSO ASK YOU TO BLESS ALL OF OUR COUNTY EMPLOYEES AND ALL OF OUR COUNTY RESIDENTS. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOWS WHAT EVERYONE IS GOING THROUGH. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT MAY NOT BE FEELING WELL OR GOING THROUGH SOMETHING. HEAVENLY FATHER, JUST WRAP YOUR LOVING ARMS OF PROTECTION AROUND THEM, AND AT LEAST LET THEM KNOW HEAVENLY FATHER THAT YOU'RE THERE. WE ASK ALL OF THIS IN YOUR NAME THIS EVENING. AMEN. >> >> THANK YOU, MR. PUGH, FOR DOING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, SIR. WE ARE NOW AT THE WORK SESSION PART OF OUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT, [C. Work Session] AND I THINK I'LL BE TURNING ALL. I'LL TURN THIS OVER TO OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT, MR. BALDWIN, AND MR. GRAVES. >> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN BROWN. >> GOOD EVENING. >> WAYMACK AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR SCHEDULING THIS MEETING TONIGHT. I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT ON YOUR SCHEDULE, AND WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME OUT TO MEET AT OUR REQUEST TO DISCUSS THE WORK ON THE COUNTY'S CONFERENCE PLAN. AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE PLAN FOR 18 MONTHS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WITH THE COUNTY'S CONSULTANTS WITH THE BERKELEY GROUP. WE HAD A SIMILAR WORK SESSION LAST NIGHT WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND WE'RE REALLY LOOKING TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION, QUESTIONS, FEEDBACK. MR. GRAY IS GOING TO GO THROUGH A EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, THE WHOLE PLAN. WE KNOW IT'S A LENGTHY DOCUMENT, AND A LOT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE TO DIGEST. WE WANT TO REALLY HIT ON THAT THE HIGH POINTS IN IT. SOME OF THE AREAS THAT MIGHT BE NEW OR DIFFERENT OR CHANGE FROM WHAT'S IN THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I JUST DO MY LITTLE BRIEF LITTLE PLANNING THING, CONFERENCE OF PLANS. THEY'RE REQUIRED BY THE STATE CODE, AND IT'S THE COUNTY'S LONG-RANGE LAND USE PLAN. IT'S A POLICY DOCUMENT. IT'S NOT REGULATORY. A LOT OF PEOPLE CONFUSE THAT WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE, OR THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WITH THE ZONING MAP. THEY'RE DIFFERENT THINGS. BUT THIS IS, IN FACT, PLAN FOR THE FUTURE AND WHAT THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN IN TERMS OF FUTURE LAND USE. AGAIN, TONIGHT, MR. GRAY IS GOING TO GO THROUGH THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY. WE'RE GOING TO COVER WHY THE NEW PLAN IS NEEDED. HE'S GOING TO GO OVER WHAT'S IN THE DRAFT PLAN. THEN, AS I SAID, AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD IS COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT'S IN IT. ANYTHING THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND OR WANT TO DISCUSS, OR HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT. THEN YOU WANT US TO TAKE BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THE CONSULTANT TO WORK ON THE WAY THE SCHEDULE IS SET UP. WE STILL HAVE TIME TO GO THROUGH AS WE ARE BE ABLE TO MODIFY WHAT'S IN THE PLAN. THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO TAKE A STOP, CHECK IN WITH THE BOARD, MAKE SURE YOU'RE CLEAR WHERE WE'RE GOING BEFORE WE KEEP GOING DOWN THE TRACK. THEN THE END, THE BOARD SAYS, WAIT A MINUTE. WE DON'T LIKE ANY OF THAT, AND WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID THAT SITUATION, OBVIOUSLY. WITH THAT I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME. [00:05:03] I'M GOING TO TURN THE PODIUM OVER TO TIM. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BALDWIN? THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT INTRODUCTION, AND GOOD EVENING TO YOU, BOARD MEMBERS. >> GOOD EVENING, SIR. >> CHAIR. AS MR. BALDWIN WAS SAYING, WE'RE ON A TRACK, AND I'D SAY WE'RE ON THE DOWNHILL PART OF THAT TRACK. JUST A RECAP OF WHERE WE'RE AT. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS IN DETAIL, BUT WE HAD A EXTENSIVE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PHASE BACK IN 2024. TOWARD THE END OF 2024, AND INTO THIS YEAR, WE DID DRAFTING, AND THAT INCLUDED SIX WORK SESSIONS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHERE WE SHOWED THEM EACH PIECE OF THIS. WE HAD A COUPLE OF WORK SESSIONS WITH THE BOARD DURING THAT TIME FRAME AS WELL. ENTERING THE TIME PERIOD THAT WE'RE IN NOW, WE POSTED THE DRAFT DOCUMENT ONLINE FOR REVIEW IN MID-JULY, AND IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY VDOT AND DQ. WE'VE RECEIVED COMMENTS. HERE WE ARE TONIGHT WITH THESE WORK SESSIONS. WELL, WE HAD THE ONE LAST NIGHT WITH PLANNING COMMISSION, AND HERE WE ARE TONIGHT. AGAIN, EXECUTIVE SUMMARY IS THE PURPOSE. WE WANT TO HIT ON THE HIGH POINTS AS BOB WAS TALKING ABOUT. AHEAD OF US, WE HAVE A COUPLE PUBLIC OPEN HOUSES, AND WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT NEXT STEPS LATER ON. RECAPPING WHY PG 2045 IS NEEDED. FIRST OFF, STATE CODE REQUIRES THE PLAN TO BE UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS. YOU'VE HEARD THIS PLENTY OF TIMES. THE LAST UPDATE WAS ADOPTED 2018. IT'S DUE. SEVERAL KEY ISSUES ARE IDENTIFIED ON THIS SLIDE, PARTICULARLY THAT THE CURRENT ADOPTED PLAN HAS AGED BEYOND ITS PLANNING HORIZON OF 2025, AND THAT SOME FAMILIAR RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE PLAN HAVE NOT BEEN ACHIEVED. IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM, YOU CAN SEE REVISED THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES TO LIMIT SUBDIVISION ACTIVITY IN RURAL AREAS. THERE'S MORE TO BE DONE THERE. ON THE NEXT SLIDE, IF I CAN GET THE SIGNAL WORKING HERE. >> IT MOVED. >> THIS SLIDE. WE'RE GOING TO SPEND SOME TIME ON THIS ONE. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT TO LOOK AT, SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO GUIDE US THROUGH THIS. THE MAIN IDEA HERE IS IN THE TOP LEFT. THERE'S A MISALIGNMENT BETWEEN THE LAND USE GOALS VERSUS THE ACTUAL ADOPTED REGULATIONS THAT STAFF AND LAND OWNERS MUST ACTUALLY INTERACT WITH. TO UNDERSTAND THIS, LET'S SHIFT OUR FOCUS TO THE MAP. YOU'VE GOT A GREEN AREA, THAT'S YOUR RURAL CONSERVATION AREA AS IT EXISTS TODAY. THE OTHER AREAS ARE YOUR PRINCE GEORGE PLANNING AREA. FROM HERE ON OUT, I'M GOING TO CALL THOSE THE PGPA AND THE RCA, JUST BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF WORDS. EVEN WITH THE ACRONYMS, IT'S STILL A LOT, BUT JUST BEAR WITH ME ON THAT. AGAIN, PGPA IS YOUR PLANNING AREA, RCA IS YOUR RURAL CONSERVATION AREA. YOU CAN SEE THE BLACK DIVIDING LINE BETWEEN THOSE TWO AREAS, PGPA IS ON THE LEFT SIDE. INSIDE OF THE PGPA, YOU CAN SEE A WHITE BACKGROUND AREA AND A PINK SHADED AREA. THE PINK SHADED AREA SHOWS WHERE PROPERTIES ARE INSIDE OF THE PGPA, AND THEY ARE MORE THAN 3,000 FEET FROM UTILITY LINES. IF YOU SEE THE GREEN AND BLUE LINES, THOSE ARE THE EXISTING WATER AND WASTEWATER LINES THAT THE COUNTY HAS IN THE GROUND. AGAIN, THE PINK SHADED AREA IS MORE THAN 3,000 FEET FROM THOSE LINES. THE MAIN POINT TO CONVEY HERE IS THAT THE HARDEST AREA TO DEVELOP ON THIS MAP IS THE PINK SHADED AREA, WHAT'S CALLED THE TRANSITION AREA IN THE LEGEND. THE EASIEST TO DEVELOP IS CURRENTLY THE GREEN AREA, WHICH IS YOUR RURAL CONSERVATION AREA. WE, THE STAFF, BELIEVE THIS CONFLICT CONFLICTS WITH THE COUNTY'S RURAL PRESERVATION GOALS, WHICH ARE GENERALLY TO PRESERVE THAT GREEN AREA. A GOOD QUESTION TO ASK AT THIS POINT WOULD BE, WHY ARE THINGS THE WAY THEY ARE? WHAT DO THE CURRENT REGULATIONS DO THAT MAKE THIS THE WAY IT IS? WELL, THE COUNTY'S CURRENT UTILITY CONNECTION REGULATIONS DICTATE THAT FOR ALL DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING IN THE EGPA, THE DEVELOPER IS REQUIRED TO CONNECT DEVELOPMENT TO PUBLIC WATER AND WASTEWATER LINES. AGAIN, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE MAP, EVERYTHING IN THE PINK SHADED AREA AND THE WHITE AREAS ARE REQUIRED TO CONNECT TO PUBLIC WATER AND WASTEWATER. THAT'S EVERYTHING FROM SUBDIVIDING 100 LOTS SUBDIVISION TO JUST TWO LOTS, EVEN IF IT'S JUST SUBDIVIDING ONE LOT INTO TWO, THAT SAME REQUIREMENT IS IN PLAY. THE REGULATIONS ARE INTENTIONALLY SET UP THAT WAY TO ENSURE THAT IT'S PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS PAYING FOR THE COST TO EXTEND THE PUBLIC LINES. [00:10:03] THE COUNTY'S FOCUS IS CURRENTLY ON BUILDING MORE CAPACITY, BUT THE ACTUAL EXTENSION OF THE LINES IS EXPECTED TO BE COVERED BY PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT. YOUR REGULATIONS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THAT WISH. HOWEVER, AS WE DISCUSSED, YOU'VE GOT THIS PINK SHADED AREA, THE TRANSITION AREA, THAT ARE ESPECIALLY FAR AWAY FROM THE EXISTING LINES. THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO EXTEND INFRASTRUCTURE MORE THAN 3,000 FEET, IN SOME CASES DOUBLE THAT EVEN. AT THAT POINT, YOU'RE OVER A MILE OR MORE TO EXTEND THE LINES TO BE ABLE TO SUBDIVIDE IN THAT AREA. AS YOU'VE HEARD AND TALKED ABOUT A LOT RECENTLY, THERE'S VERY LIMITED CAPACITY IN THE LINES, EVEN IF THEY DO EXTEND THE LINES. CONTRAST THIS WITH THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA OR GREEN AREA, THAT'S WHERE PRIVATE WELL AND SEPTIC ARE PERMITTED ON EACH LOT. IF YOU CAN COMPARE THOSE TWO, YOU'VE GOT PRIVATE WELL AND SEPTIC IN THE GREEN AREA, AND EXTEND THE LINES A LONG WAY AND BUILD PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE OTHER AREA. AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE AND SIMPLER TO SUBDIVIDE IN THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA. OF COURSE, THAT'S YOUR RURAL CONSERVATION AREA, THAT'S THE AREA YOU'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE. THAT'S WHERE THERE'S THIS MISALIGNMENT. ANOTHER KEY FACTOR THAT IMPACTS WHERE AND HOW MUCH LAND DEVELOPMENT IS ROAD ACCESS REQUIREMENTS. AS YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY ALLOWS UP TO THREE LOTS ON A PRIVATE ROAD, AS LONG AS THE LAND IS ZONED RA OR A1, AND RA AND A1 ZONING, THAT'S JUST ROUGHLY NUMBER 90% OF THE COUNTY'S ACREAGE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING MAP, YOU'D SEE SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT. ESSENTIALLY, ALL OF THE RCA, SO ALL OF THAT GREEN AREA IS ZONED PRETTY MUCH ALL OF IT. 99% IS RA OR A1. YOU CAN DIVIDE ANY OF THAT WITH UP TO THREE LOTS ON A PRIVATE ROAD. [NOISE] >> IT'S A WEATHER MACHINE. CAN WE TURN THAT OFF? >> THERE'S A STORM HEADING THIS WAY. >> WE'RE GOING TO TURN IT OFF, TIM. >> I'LL CONTINUE THEN, OR DO YOU WANT ME TO WAIT? >> PLEASE GET TURNED OFF. >> LET'S SAY THE PROPERTY HAS 150 FEET, FOR EXAMPLE, ALONG A PUBLIC ROAD. RIGHT NOW, SOMEONE CAN SEND A PRIVATE ROAD BACK INTO THAT PROPERTY AND DIVIDE IT UP INTO AT LEAST THREE LOTS ON THAT ROAD. IF THERE'S A PUBLIC ROAD REQUIREMENT FOR SUBDIVIDING LAND, THEN THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DIVIDE THAT LAND UNLESS THEY HAVE MORE ROAD FRONTAGE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THAT'S HOW THESE ROAD ACCESS REQUIREMENTS CAN INFLUENCE HOW MUCH LAND IS DEVELOPED. YOU'VE GOT UTILITY CONNECTION REQUIREMENTS AND ROAD ACCESS REQUIREMENTS. THOSE ARE IN YOUR CURRENT RULES IS WHAT I JUST COVERED. THE COST OF BUILDING PRIVATE ROADS IS LOWER THAN THE COST OF BUILDING A PUBLIC ROAD, SO THAT OPENS UP MORE LAND DEVELOPMENT. I THINK YOU'RE GETTING WHERE I'M GOING ON THAT. LOOKING AT THOSE FACTORS TOGETHER, WHEREVER YOU ALLOW LOWER DEVELOPMENT COSTS OR LOWER BARRIERS TO DEVELOPMENT VERSUS OTHER AREAS, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY INCENTIVIZING DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA THAT HAS THE LOWEST COST. RIGHT NOW, THE COUNTY'S REGULATIONS INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT IN THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA, AND THEY MAKE IT ESPECIALLY DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP IN THE PINK SHADED AREA. ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT SOME DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS THAT HAVE COME OUT OF THIS, BUT I JUST WANT TO PAUSE HERE. IS THAT EVERYTHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SO FAR MAKES SENSE? DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. GRAVES? >> MR. GRAVES. I'M SORRY. >> GO AHEAD, MRS. WAYMACK. >> I'M SORRY. >> GO AHEAD, MRS. WAYMACK. >> WHAT'S THE ACREAGE IN THE CONSERVATION AREA ROUGHLY? >> I REALLY DON'T WANT TO SAY A NUMBER BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET IT TOTALLY WRONG. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT IS, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE COUNTY IS RURAL CONSERVATION VERSUS PLANNING AREA, IS THAT RIGHT? I THINK IF WE LOOK AT THE MAP, IT'S ABOUT 50/50 AROUND THAT. ABOUT HALF THE COUNTY AS RAIL CONSERVATION VERSUS NOT ROUGHLY. >> THAT'S ABOUT 50%. >> GO AHEAD, MR. PUGH. GO AHEAD, SIR. [00:15:03] >> YES, SIR, MR. CHAIR. QUICK QUESTION. IN THAT PINK TRANSITION AREA, IF IT'S WITHIN 3,000 FEET, YOU'VE GOT TO RUN WATER AND SEWER. IF WE WANTED DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA, COULD WE PUT A STIPULATION IN THAT INSTEAD OF A FIVE-ACRE LOT, IT HAS TO BE A ONE-ACRE LOT, AND YOU CAN DO WELL IN SEPTIC, OR A TWO-ACRE LOT, AND YOU HAVE TO DO WELL IN SEPTIC? >> DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> WELL, THERE IS A SLIDE LATER ON WHERE WE'RE GOING TO SAY WHAT PG 2045 CURRENTLY SAYS THAT YOU COULD DO. MAYBE WE CAN FOCUS ON OTHER SOLUTIONS AT THAT TIME. IN GENERAL, YOU CAN HAVE YOUR REGULATIONS DO WHATEVER YOU WANT THEM TO DO AND THEN THROUGH CODE AMENDMENT PROCESS. THIS PLAN IS TRYING TO PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE ON A PATH FORWARD HERE. I THINK WE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER WHAT THE PLAN IS OFFERING AND IF YOU'RE ON BOARD WITH IT OR NOT. >> GO AHEAD MR. WEBB. >> RIGHT FROM ON CAMP. THAT 3,000 FEET I BELIEVE CAME UP SEVERAL YEARS BACK. IT HAD MORE OR LESS TO DO WITH SOMEBODY BUILDING WHERE JEFFERSON PARK ROAD. YOU GOT WATER AND SEWER. WELL, IF YOU'RE BUILDING 3,000 FOOT BACK, THE COST IT WOULD COST YOU TO CONNECT, IT WOULD BE CHEAPER FOR YOU TO PUT YOUR WELL AND SEPTIC IN PROVIDING YOUR LAND WITH PARK WHERE YOU COULD USE THAT ALTERNATIVE THING. THAT WAS THE ARGUMENT I USED. THAT'S BACK WHEN PERCY WAS HERE, BECAUSE IT'S COSTING MORE WHEN HE'S THAT FAR OFF VERSUS HE CAN PUT HIS OWN WELL AND SEPTIC IN AND RUN HIS OWN WATER LINE, FROM HIS OWN WELL AND HIS SEPTIC. >> THERE'S SOME NUANCES TO THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I WAS HERE WHEN THAT WAS GOING ON, BUT I'VE HEARD ABOUT THAT WHOLE DISCUSSION, AND I KNOW THAT THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT HAD SOME CHANGES TO THE CODE AS A RESULT OF THAT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WAS DEALING WITH HOW FAR IS THE HOUSE SITE FROM THE ROAD I THINK IT IS WHAT IT WAS. RIGHT HERE, THIS IS TALKING ABOUT HOW FAR IS THE PROPERTY FROM THE LINES. ACTUALLY, YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP IN FRONT ON YOUR SCREENS THAT IT'S JUST MEASURING 3,000 FEET OF DISTANCE FROM THE EXISTING LINES. THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF SOME PARCELS. THAT'S NOT FOLLOWING PARCEL BOUNDARY LINES. THAT'S NOT FOLLOWING WHERE IS SOMEONE'S HOUSE. ULTIMATELY, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE ACTUAL CODES TO IMPLEMENT THIS. THIS IS JUST A CONCEPT OR A GENERAL VISION. IF YOU END UP GOING WITH THIS, THEN, YOU STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A CODE PROCESS TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO ACTUALLY WRITE THAT. WHAT RULES MAKE SENSE? ARE THERE ANY EXCEPTIONS OR THINGS LIKE THAT. YOU COULD REALLY FOCUS ON THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL AT THAT TIME. >> I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IS THAT IN THAT PINK AREA THAT MR. PUGH WAS REFERRING TO, THOUGH, THE WHOLE OBJECTIVE OF HAVING THE PLANNING AREA IS FOR US, IF POSSIBLE, TO PUT THE UTILITIES THERE, WHICH GIVES US A MUCH BIGGER CUSTOMER BASE. I WOULD THINK WE'D WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT NOW SAYING IN THAT PLANNING AREA, TELLING SOMEBODY THEY CAN PUT A WELL AND SEPTIC. BECAUSE, AGAIN, I KNOW WE'VE DONE IT IN THE CASES OF SOME BUSINESSES, I THINK, ALONG 460. WE GAVE THEM A TEMPORARY THING TO PUT THAT IN. BUT THE RULE IS, AS SOON AS THE CONNECTION IS AVAILABLE, THEY HAVE TO CONNECT. >> I JUST WANT TO JUMP IN ON A KEY POINT HERE. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SO FAR IS REALLY FOCUSED ON RESIDENTIAL ELEMENT. COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT HAS SOME DIFFERENT RULES AND NUANCES THAT ARE BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF WATER USAGE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE BUSINESS ACTIVITY HAPPENING. ALREADY, THOSE ARE CURRENTLY ALREADY DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS THAN THE RESIDENTIAL. WE IMAGINE THAT IN THE FUTURE, WHATEVER THIS LOOKS LIKE IN THE FUTURE, IT WOULD STILL BE DIFFERENT FOR BUSINESS. I WOULD IMAGINE YOU WANT TO BE MORE FRIENDLY TO BUSINESS AND HAVE LESS STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS ON THAT. >> BUT WAS MY STATEMENT CORRECT, THOUGH, THAT OUR GOAL REALLY IN THE PLANNING AREA IS TO HAVE THOSE PEOPLE CONNECTING TO OUR UTILITIES? >> YES. >> VERSUS ALLOWING WELL AND SEPTIC TO BE IN, TO ME THE WELL AND SEPTIC SHOULD BE IN THAT RURAL AREA, MORE SO IN THE RURAL AREA THAN THE PLANNED AREA. >> THE CURRENT ADOPTED PLAN SAYS THAT THE PRINT CHURCH PLANNING AREA IS THE PLANNED AREA FOR GROWTH OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. WHERE PROPERTIES ARE SERVED BY PUBLIC WATER AND WASTEWATER. >> PUBLIC UTILITIES. >> THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA IS NOT SERVED BY PUBLIC WATER AND WASTEWATER. PG 2045, YOUR NEW DRAFT PLAN IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT, THAT THE WHOLE PLANNING AREA IS INTENDED TO BE SERVED BY PUBLIC UTILITIES. NOW, AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO A DIFFERENT PATH FORWARD HERE FOR HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT SHADED AREA. [00:20:05] THE PURPOSE OF THIS SLIDE IS JUST MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS A COMMON UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE CURRENT RULES ARE. >> YEAH, GO AHEAD SIR. >> I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AS FAR AS YOU WANT PEOPLE IN THE PLANNING DISTRICT TO HOOK ONTO THE WATER BECAUSE IT HELPS PAY FOR THAT SYSTEM. BUT I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT, WE'RE AT THE DOOR WITH CAPACITY AND THE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE EXPENDED TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. I THINK A BAND AID FOR THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO HEY, YOU CAN BUILD A ONE ACRE OR TWO ACRE LOT INSTEAD OF THAT QUARTER ACRE LOT, IN YOUR LARGER DEVELOPMENTS, YOU'D HAVE. I GUESS A SMALLER DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER IT'S GOT A COMMUNITY WELL, AND THEN AFTER THE CAPACITY IS THERE, YOU CAN HOOK ONTO IT. SOMETHING ALONG THAT NATURE. BUT IT ALLOWS THE DEVELOPERS TO BE ABLE TO BUILD IN THAT EVEN THOUGH THE CAPACITY IS NOT THERE AND KEEPS THEM OUT OF THE RULE CONSTITIUTIONARY. >> WE'VE GOT THAT IN THERE. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. >> WE JUST JUMPING AHEAD? >> YEAH. THAT'S YOUR IDEA. >> THAT'S LEVEL SET WE'RE JUMPING AHEAD. >> THAT'S THE IDEA OF COURSE. >> NO PROBLEM. >> WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT IT IS THE RIGHT QUESTION TO ASK. >> GOT YOU. >> BUT DOES EVERYBODY GENERALLY UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHAT THE CURRENT RULES DO. >> GOT YOU. EVERYBODY GOOD? GO AHEAD, SIR. >> CONTINUING. HERE'S THE RESULTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS AS A RESULT OF THAT MISALIGNMENT. THIS IS JUST ONE LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS. YOU'VE GOT A FIVE YEAR PERIOD HERE FROM 2019-2023. THAT'S JUST THE LAST TIME THAT WE MADE THIS MAP. ON THAT, YOU HAD 46% OF YOUR NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE PERMITS WERE IN THE ROYAL CONSERVATION AREA DURING THAT TIME. FIFTY FOUR PERCENT OF YOUR NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES WERE IN THE PLANNING AREA DURING THAT TIME, THE PGPA. YOU CAN SEE THOSE PERCENTAGES ON THE TOP OF THE MAP. THE RED AREA IS, THE PGPA, THE GREEN IS THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA. YOU CAN SEE IT'S AROUND 1550. IT'S NOT EXACTLY, BUT YOU HAVE A PRETTY SIMILAR NUMBER OF NEW HOUSES GOING INTO BOTH OF THOSE AREAS. WITH THE COUNTY'S POPULATION EXPECTED TO INCREASE OVER THE NEXT DECADES, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE NUMBERS WILL BE, OF COURSE. IT COULD BE LOWER, HIGHER, WE CAN EXPECT THIS TREND TO CONTINUE IF NOTHING CHANGES WITH THE REGULATIONS THAT YOU'VE GOT IN PLACE. THIS BEGS THE QUESTION, WHICH YOU CAN SEE WRITTEN AT THE BOTTOM, WHAT PERCENT OF DEVELOPMENT WOULD THE COUNTY PREFER TO SEE IN THE PGPA VERSUS THE RCA? THIS IS MORE OF A RHETORICAL QUESTION. I'M NOT EXPECTING YOU TO COME UP WITH A NUMBER ON THE SPOT. STAFF'S UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU MIGHT PREFER TO SEE A HIGHER NUMBER THAN YOU CURRENTLY SEE IN THE PGPA AND A LOWER NUMBER THAN YOU CURRENTLY SEE IN THE RCA. IS THAT FAIR? >> THAT FAIR? >> I THINK SO. >> I WOULD GUESS SO, TOO. >> MR. I HAVE A QUESTION. >> YES, SIR. >> ON THE BOTTOM OF THIS PAGE, I SEE IT SAYS SEPTEMBER 8TH, 2023. IS THAT FIVE YEARS PRIOR TO THAT OR? >> YEAH, SEPTEMBER 8TH '19 TO '23. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY HOUSES HAS BEEN BUILT SINCE SEPTEMBER '23 TO CURRENT? >> I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA ON ME. >> YOU JUST SAID THIS WAS ONLY FOR THAT THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING PAST THAT POINT. >> I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT. >> IF YOU'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT, WE CAN GET THAT. >> I WOULD. >> YOU'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW THE NUMBER IN EACH AREA. WE'LL GET YOU SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. WRITE A NOTE. SEND IT BY MR. CHAIR. >> YEAH. YOU WOULD SEND THAT TO EVERYBODY, PLEASE. IF YOU DON'T MIND. >> ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ONE? >> I DON'T BELIEVE. >> IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. THERE'S NOT A LOT. >> YOU HAVE TO. I THINK WE'RE GOOD, SIR. >> CLOSE TO THAT RECEIVER. THIS SLIDE BRINGS TOGETHER WHAT WE PREVIEWED ON THOSE PREVIOUS TWO SLIDES. THERE IS A MISALIGNMENT OF THE COUNTY'S GOALS VERSUS ITS REGULATIONS, VERSUS THE ACTUAL RESULTS THAT IT EXPERIENCES. THE COUNTY WANTS TO PRESERVE THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA, ACCOMMODATE STRATEGIC GROWTH IN THE PGPA, PROVIDE GOOD SERVICES FOR ITS RESIDENTS AND SUPPORT BUSINESS SUCCESS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. BUT THE CURRENT REGULATIONS HAVE NOT HELPED THE COUNTY GET WHAT IT WANTS. NOT ENTIRELY. IN THE MIDDLE COLUMN, WE HAVE HIGHLIGHTED SOME OTHER REGULATIONS THAT DON'T NECESSARILY SUPPORT RURAL PRESERVATION. IN THE MIDDLE COLUMN, BULLET POINT NUMBER SECOND TO LAST ONE, [00:25:03] OR ACTUALLY, THE MIDDLE ONE, A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF FIVE ACRES IN THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA. THAT'S A RELATIVELY SMALL MINIMUM LOT SIZE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO CONSERVE LAND BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE A MINIMUM SIZE OF FIVE ACRE LOTS, AND YOU'VE SEEN THESE BE DEVELOPED ALONG YOUR RURAL ROADS WHERE YOU'VE GOT FIVE ACRE CHOP ALONG THE ROAD. THERE'S NOTHING, AGAIN, THEY CAN HAVE PRIVATE WELL AND SEPTIC ON THOSE. EXCEPTIONS, AND NEXT BULLET DOWN THERE, IS THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS FOR FAMILY DIVISIONS TO OCCUR ON AS SMALL AS ONE ACRE OF LOT SIZE, EVEN IN THE PRINCE GEORGE PLANNING AREA. THE UTILITY CONNECTION REQUIREMENTS ALSO DON'T APPLY TO FAMILY DIVISIONS. WHEN WE GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, IF I COULD JUST DO THAT, THEN WHERE YOU DO SEE RED DOTS IN WHAT WOULD BE THE TRANSITION AREA, THOSE ARE MOSTLY FAMILY DIVISIONS HAPPENING THERE. THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON. IT'S NOT REALLY BEING DEVELOPED WITH ANY PUBLIC SYSTEMS, IT'S JUST FAMILY DIVISIONS. THOSE TEND TO NOT BE DONE IN ANY PLANNED MANNER, THEY'RE JUST HERE AND THERE. THE ACTUAL RESULTS OF THIS SETUP IS IN THE RIGHT COLUMN. BASICALLY, YOU'VE GOT SIGNIFICANT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN YOUR CONSERVATION AREA AND A HIGH NUMBER OF PRIVATE ROADS AND MILEAGE ON THOSE ROADS. WAIT, I HAD MORE ON THERE. YOU'VE ALSO GOT LITTLE TO NO SUBDIVISION ACTIVITY OCCURRING IN THAT TRANSITION AREA AND INEFFICIENT PROVISION OF SERVICES WHEN YOU HAVE SCATTERED DEVELOPMENT ALL OVER LONG RANGE. YOU KNOW THAT BUSINESSES ARE EITHER MOSTLY UNABLE TO GROW OR LOCATE IN THE COUNTY DUE TO LACK OF WATER AND WASTEWATER CAPACITY. WE EXPLAIN ALL THIS AGAIN TO TRY TO REACH A COMMON UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE THAT NEED TO BE RESOLVED. PG 2045 NOT ONLY ARTICULATES THESE ISSUES IN THE PLAN, BUT CHARTS A PATH FORWARD. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS SLIDE BEFORE I KEEP GOING? COMMENTS OR ANYTHING. >> THINK WE'RE GOOD, SIR. >> HERE'S A REMINDER OF THE PUBLIC INPUT THAT YOU RECEIVED DURING THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PHASE OF THIS, WHICH WAS BACK IN 2024. YOU'VE GOT A COPY OF THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MAP HERE THAT SUMMARIZES INPUT THAT THE COUNTY RECEIVED DURING THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS. SOME SPECIFIC COMMENTS ARE ON THE MAP, INCLUDING IDENTIFYING AREAS FOR HIGHER RESIDENTIAL DENSITY IN THE INNER WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE SERVICE AREA, AND DISCUSSING SHIFTING BOUNDARIES OF THE PGPA, AND A DESIRE TO MAIN THE RCA AS A RURAL AND AGRICULTURAL PRESERVATION AREA. SOME GENERAL COMMENTS ARE IN THE BUBBLES. YOU'VE GOT HIGHLIGHTING THE DESIRE TO MEET INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS OR INFRASTRUCTURE DEMANDS FOR BUSINESS GROWTH, BUT ALSO IN THE BOTTOM BUBBLE TO MAINTAIN ALL COMMUNITY CHARACTERISTICS. HOW DO YOU DO BOTH OF THOSE THINGS? AGAIN, PG 2045 IS TRYING TO DO THAT. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS BEFORE GOING ON? >> I THINK WE'RE GOOD. >> WE'RE DONE WITH WHY PG 2045 IS NEEDED WE'RE NOW INTO WHAT IS IN THE PLAN. FIRST OF ALL, YOU'VE GOT A VISION, AND THIS VISION IS INTENDED TO BE CONCISE AND COHERENT AND WHILE ALSO ARTICULATING SOME KEY DETAILS. PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY PRESERVES OUR RURAL CHARACTER BY PROTECTING AND ENHANCING UNIQUE COMMUNITY ASSETS, LEVERAGE ECONOMIC DRIVERS, AND ACCOMMODATING STRATEGIC GROWTH. HAVING THE CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS AGAIN, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT IN GENERAL? YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S ACCURATE THAT CONVEYS THE VISION. IS THE WORDING SOUND OKAY? >> YEAH. MY FIRST PASS AT IT, IT SOUNDS OKAY. >> DON'T HIT IT. >> IT'S NOT LIKE I'M READY TO THROW IT OUT THE RECORDING OR ANYTHING. >> THE REASON WE START WITH THE VISION, OF COURSE, IS YOU WANT TO START WITH A GENERAL, OVERARCHING VISION, AND THEN THE PLAN IS, HOW DO YOU GET THERE? NOW WE'LL GO INTO THE DETAILS. HERE'S WHERE WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE UTILITY CONNECTION REQUIREMENTS, AND ALTERNATE SETUP FOR THAT. >> CAN I JUST THROW ONE THING OUT AT YOU REAL QUICK, THOUGH? I UNDERSTAND THE VISION, AND I'M GOING TO ASK YOU, SO WE DON'T GET AHEAD OF YOU. BUT AT SOME POINT, WILL THIS GIVE US SOME BETTER CLARIFICATION? BECAUSE I THINK ALL OF US, ONE TIME BEFORE WAS, LIKE, [00:30:02] WHAT IS THE REAL DEFINITION FOR PRINCE GEORGE RULE? BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DEFINITION, HOW CAN YOU SAY WHAT YOUR VISION IS TO PRESERVE IT? >> THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION, AND I DO RECALL THAT COMING UP THROUGHOUT THIS. I THINK THE LAST TIME THIS CAME UP, WE WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE SLIDE FROM THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WHERE THEY ASKED THE CITIZENS THAT, AND THERE WERE A BUNCH OF WORDS ON THE SLIDE, AND IT'S A LOT OF THINGS. THIS PLAN DOES NOT DEFINE WHAT IS RURAL TO PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY. MAYBE THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, YOU GET TO KEEP DEFINING THAT OVER TIME WHEN YOU HAVE SOME DECISION TO MAKE. WHEN YOU SAY, I DON'T THINK THAT'S RURAL. THAT'S A COLLECTIVE DECISION OF THE BOARD. THAT'S ONE WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT. BUT IF YOU FEEL STRONGLY THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME MORE STRONG WORDING, CLEAR WORDING ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS TO THE COUNTY, THEN I THINK SOME MORE WORK WOULD NEED TO BE DONE ON THAT. >> I ONLY ASKED THAT BECAUSE, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS OR REASONINGS ARE BROUGHT BEFORE US, IT WOULD SAY, WELL, THIS IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THOUGH, I THINK WE ALL NEED TO UNDERSTAND AS WE'RE SAYING, HOW WE GROW AND WHERE WE GROW, AND WHAT DOES IT REALLY MEAN TO KEEP THAT AREA RULE? THE PLANNING AREA, I THINK, FOR ME, IS A LITTLE EASIER DEFINITION BECAUSE IT'S TIED TO UTILITIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT AGAIN, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TONIGHT. I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE I HAD THAT SAME QUESTION BEFORE WHEN WE TALKED. AGAIN, FOR ME, I HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS FOR ME TO PRESERVE. >> AS A VISION. >> WELL, AND THERE IS A LOT THANK YOU FOR THE FEEDBACK ON THAT. WE'LL THINK ABOUT THAT SOME MORE. THERE IS VARIOUS AREAS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT PRESERVING RURAL AND IT IS MORE SPECIFIC. >> THAT'S FINE. >> BUT THERE'S NOT ONE OVERARCHING, THIS IS RIGHT. >> MAYBE WE'LL GET TO THAT AT SOME POINT AS WE MOVE MORE THROUGH IT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. THANK YOU. >> IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU FELT WAS WORTH ADDING ON THAT POINT? >> NO. I THINK YOU COVER THE THAT WAS SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMUNITY MEETING. A LOT OF PEOPLE DIFFERENT IMPRESSIONS OF WHAT MEAN TO THEM. >> CORRECT. >> THAT WAS A PERFECT TOPIC FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. TRY TO REFINE THAT A LITTLE BIT. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS WHAT WERE. THERE WERE SOME LARGER GROUPS PEOPLE AGREE ON CERTAIN THINGS LIKE AGRICULTURAL PRESERVATION, THINGS LIKE THAT. >> I THINK WE TRY TO PULL SOME COMMON THEMES OUT OF IT. THAT I THINK IT HELPS US OR ANY BOARD THAT MOVES FORWARD, TO KNOW WHAT TO WORK WITH AND STAFF AS WELL. >> MY RECOLLECTION GROUP SLIDE AS. >> YES, SIR. >> CERTAIN. >> YES, SIR. THANK YOU. >> BACK TO UTILITIES AND PLANNING AREA BOUNDARY. THESE ARE THE CONCEPTS THAT MIGHT BE THE MOST IMPACTFUL AS FAR AS CHANGING WHERE DEVELOPMENT CAN AND WILL HAPPEN. PG 2045 PROVIDES GUIDANCE TO NOT ONLY REVISE THE PGPA AND RCA BOUNDARIES, BUT TO SPLIT THE PGPA INTO TWO SMALLER AREAS WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS APPLYING IN THOSE TWO SMALL AREAS. ON THIS MAP, YOU CAN SEE A GREEN AREA, PINK AREA, AND A GRAY AREA. THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SAW EARLIER, BUT THIS ONE INCLUDES THE REVISED BOUNDARY LINES BETWEEN THE PGPA AND THE RCA. THE GRAY AREA IS DEFINED AS THE UTILITY SERVICE AREA IN THE PLAN. AND THAT'S ALL AREAS THAT ARE WITHIN 3,000 FEET OF EXISTING PUBLIC WATER OR WASTEWATER LINES. I'M GOING TO PAUSE ON THAT ONE FOR A MINUTE, BECAUSE THE 3,000 FEET IS NOT A HARD AND FAST RULE. IN DEVELOPING THE PLAN, IT WAS IMPORTANT TO DRAW SOME BOUNDARIES SOMEHOW, 03,000 FEET WAS PICKED AS A NUMBER THAT'S NOT SUPER DUPER HIGH, NOT SUPER LOW. IT'S JUST OVER HALF A MILE. IT WAS TO ALLOW YOU TO THINK ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF, WELL, ONCE YOU GET REALLY FAR, WHAT IS REALLY FAR AWAY FROM THE UTILITY LINES? LIKE, WHAT RULES CAN YOU APPLY IN THAT AREA? THEN, WHAT DOES THAT ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE IN THE CODE IS ANOTHER QUESTION THAT YOU END UP PONDERING FROM THERE. BUT THAT'S JUST I WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT. [00:35:01] THERE'S NOTHING SOLD ABOUT 3,000 FEET. THE PLAN DOES NOT CERTIFY THAT. NO MATTER WHAT, IF YOU HAVE ANY REGULATIONS ABOUT THIS, THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD DEFINE WHATEVER THESE DISTANCES ARE GOING TO BE. WHETHER IT'S TO A PROPERTY LINE OR A BUILDING OR WHAT? YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO DIVE INTO THAT DETAIL LATER. THIS IS AGAIN, JUST A GENERAL POLICY VISION TYPE DIRECTION TO GO. BUT ON THE MAP, YOU'VE GOT THE GRAY AREA IS 3,000 FEET FROM EXISTING LINES. IN THAT AREA, PG 2045 RECOMMENDS CONTINUING TO REQUIRE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO CONNECT TO PUBLIC WATER AND WASTEWATER. THAT'S A MORE REASONABLE DISTANCE. BUT WHAT DO YOU DO FOR OUTSIDE OF THAT DISTANCE? THE PINK AREA IS THE UTILITY TRANSITION AREA, AS IT'S CALLED IN THE PLAN. IN THAT AREA, PG 2045 RECOMMENDS ALLOWING LESS STRINGENT UTILITY CONNECTION REQUIREMENTS TO ALLOW DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR THERE, EVEN IF A SITE IS MORE THAN 3,000 FEET FROM EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE. THE PLAN SUGGESTS THAT THIS COULD BE DONE, AGAIN, THIS IS SUGGESTION, THAT THIS COULD BE DONE BY ALLOWING PRIVATE COMMUNITY SYSTEMS IN THOSE AREAS, WHICH ARE SHARED SYSTEMS, WHICH ARE DESIGNED TO BE CONNECTED TO THE PUBLIC SYSTEM, IF THE PUBLIC LINES ARE EXTENDED NEAR THAT PROPERTY OR SUBDIVISION IN THE FUTURE. A DEVELOPER IN THE TRANSITION AREA, THE PINK AREAS ON THIS MAP, ARE STILL ENCOURAGED TO CONNECT TO PUBLIC SYSTEM IMMEDIATELY, IF POSSIBLE, OR IF THEY WANT TO. BUT THIS WOULD OFFER AN ADDITIONAL OPTION FOR DEVELOPING IN THAT AREA WHEN THE LINE IS REALLY FAR AWAY. MAYBE THE SUBDIVISION IS NOT SO MANY LOTS THAT MAKES IT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE TO EXTEND THE LINES. IT'S INTENDED TO OFFER MORE OPTIONS. BUT IT DOES TAIL SHARED SYSTEM. THIS IS NOT CURRENTLY TALKING ABOUT ALLOWING PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL SYSTEMS IN THE PLANNING AREA. BECAUSE AGAIN, THE PLANNING AREA IS WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO HAVE PUBLIC SHARED SYSTEMS TO MINIMIZE THESE POINTS WITH WELLS AND SEPTIC SYSTEMS, EACH OF WHICH HAS A CHANCE OF FAILING AND IMPACTING ADJACENT PROPERTIES. THEN YOU'VE GOT NO CHANGE TO THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA, ALLOWING PRIVATE SYSTEMS. PRIVATE WELL AND SEPTIC WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED THERE. MR. PUGH, IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IDEA YOU HAD? >> YES. IT WAS IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THAT. THE ONLY THING IS, TO ME, BY ALLOWING SOMEBODY TO DO THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A TAKE AND GIVE, INSTEAD OF, IF THEY HOOKED ONTO THE WATER SYSTEM, SAY THEY COULD BE ALLOWED TO BUILD HALF ACRE LOTS OR QUARTER ACRE LOTS. BUT IF THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THE COMMUNITY WELL IN, IT NEEDS TO BE, IN MY OPINION, LARGER LOTS, THAT ACRE PLUS LOTS, BECAUSE THE COUNTY IS GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY TO RUN THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO TIE ON, AND WHEN THAT MONEY COMES, IS THAT INFRASTRUCTURE GOING TO HAVE TO BE REDONE IS MY CONCERN. >> WELL, AS FAR AS STAFF HAS TALKED ABOUT IT, WITH THIS CONCEPT THIS GENERAL CONCEPT IS THAT THESE SHARED SYSTEMS WOULD REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER TO BUILD, A LINE THAT GOES TO THE STREET, FOR EXAMPLE. THEN, ALL OF THE HOMES ARE ON THIS SHARED SYSTEM, AND THEY'RE USING THE SHARED SYSTEMS UP UNTIL THE LINE COMES UP TO THAT STREET, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO CONNECT THE WHOLE SYSTEM TO THAT. THAT'S THE IDEA THERE. THERE WOULD NEED TO BE CONTROLS IN PLACE OR CHECKS TO MAKE SURE THAT, IT MIGHT BE FIVE, 10, 15 YEARS BEFORE THE PUBLIC LINE IS AVAILABLE. WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THAT SYSTEM? THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SOME THINGS IN PLACE FOR THAT. THE CODE WOULD NEED TO, WHATEVER CODE GOES IN PLACE WOULD HAVE TO GET AT THAT. >> MISS CHAIR. >> YES, SIR. GO AHEAD, SIR. GO AHEAD MISS WEBB. >> PLAYING OFF OF WHAT MR. PUGH SAID. BY DOING THAT, THAT WOULD GIVE US THE ABILITY TO MAXIMIZE A LOT, BECAUSE THE OTHER THING I KEEP HEARING FROM NOT EVERYBODY, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT FIVE, 10 ACRES TO KEEP UP. UNLESS THEY'RE JUST GOING TO GET TO TEN ACRES THEY WANT PRIVACY AND PUT THE HOUSE IN MIDDLE AND MAYBE HAVE 50 FEET AROUND THE HOUSE AND CUT GRASS. THEY DO NOT WANT TO KEEP UP WITH FIVE ACRES OF GRASS TWO, THREE TIMES A WEEK. A LOT OF THE SENIOR PEOPLE DON'T WANT THAT MUCH EITHER, THEY'D RATHER BE ON A QUARTER OR A HALF ACRE LOTS AND POSSIBLY BE IN AN AREA WHERE YOU'VE GOT AN HOA, WHERE YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY TO TAKE CARE OF THE OUTSIDE MAINTENANCE, AND THEY JUST TAKE CARE OF THE INSIDE HOUSE, BECAUSE THEY WANT TO TRAVEL, WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO. THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO SPEND THAT MUCH TIME OUTSIDE. [00:40:01] BUT IF WE HAD THAT AND SAY, IT TAKE 2-5 YEARS, AND WE HAD AN AQUIFER SYSTEM LIKE WHAT WE HAD ON RIVERS THE EDGE OR JORDAN ON THE JAMES, WHICH WE HAD DAMAGE AND HAD, WE FINALLY GOT THE WATER LINE DOWN THERE. WOULD THAT BE AN OPTION WHERE THEY COULD EITHER OR WOULD IT HAVE TO BE MANDATED, AT THE TIME WE GET THE UTILITIES THERE, YOU'D HAVE TO CONNECT, EVEN IF THEY ALREADY PUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN AND LEFT IT MAYBE SIX, EIGHT FEET FROM THE CONNECTION, WHICH WOULD BE PRETTY STANDARD, THEN WE'D CONNECT. >> I'M SORRY. >> WOULD THAT SYSTEM STILL STAY VIABLE. UNTIL IT FAILED OR SOMETHING, BEFORE THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONNECT, OR WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT DOING LIKE WHAT WE DID WITH LOVES WITH THE COMMERCIAL, WHERE ONCE WE GOT THE LINE OUT THERE, THEY PUT THEIR SYSTEM IN TO GET LOVES IN. BUT THEN THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO CONNECT AS SOON AS WE GET THE UTILITIES THERE TO THEM. >> IT'S THAT. CAN I GIVE AN OPINION IN MY MIND. >> THAT'S FINE. >> NO. >> I'M TRYING TO CONFUSE. >> NO, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD SAY WHEN THE CONNECTION IS THERE, THEY HAVE TO CONNECT. BUT YOU WOULD STILL LEAVE THAT OTHER SYSTEM IN PLACE THAT COULD ACT AS A BACKUP. >> WELL, IT COULD BE BACK UP. >> IF SOMETHING HAPPENED OR COULD IT BE USED THAT IF WE HAD A FIRE OVER THERE, THERE WAS SOME WAY THAT, THE FIRE GUYS COULD HOOK UP TO THAT AND DRAW OFF OF THAT BACKUP VERSUS, I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY CAN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT PRESSURES ARE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I'M JUST I'M REALLY JUST THROWING STUFF OUT THERE. >> I GOT TO HAVE WHAT STANDARDS TODAY IS WHAT 3500. >> IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU'RE AT WATER PRESSURE. YOU'RE GOING TO PUT 250 GALLON A MINUTE NOZZLES ON THE GROUND WITHIN, X AMOUNT OF TIME PER THE NFPA STANDARDS. YOU'RE GOING TO BE FLOWING 300 GALLONS A MINUTE. YOUR AVERAGE HOUSE FIRE IF IT GETS AWAY FROM YOU, WOULD PROBABLY TAKE 10-15,000 GALLONS. >> FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THEIR DISCUSSION WAS POTENTIALLY THAT IT WOULD HAVE A TANK. >> YEAH, 100%. >> TO STORE WATER. I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE IN RESPONSE. >> TO REFILL. >> WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT NOW, WE'VE GOT ONE AT STATION 7, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO ONE IN BURROSVILLE. THAT THEY'RE LIKE, 10-15 THOUSAND GALLON HOLDING TANKS. THE ONLY ISSUE WITH A HOLDING TANK LIKE THAT IS, IT'S NOT PRESSURIZED. YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A PUMP, YOU GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO HOOK TO THE TRUCK. >> CORRECT. >> NINETY PERCENT OF THE TIME, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IS, IF THEY'RE GOING TO RUN THE LINES WHERE ALL WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WHEN WE PUT OUR LINE IN, I WOULD SAY THEY ALREADY PUT THE HYDRANTS IN, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS, AND WHEN WE HOOK ONTO HYDRANTS ARE THERE. WHETHER THAT WHAT YOU'VE GOT TO REMEMBER IS WE CARRY 01,000 FEET OF FOUR INCH IN THE COUNTY NOW. AS LONG AS THAT HYDRANTS WITHIN 1,000 FEET, YOU'RE GOOD. OFF YOUR INITIAL RUN. ANYTHING OVER 5-600 FEET, YOU'LL PUT A PUMPER IN BETWEEN AND PUMP IT. BUT IF YOU'RE LIMITING ON HOW MANY HOMES YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IN THERE, I KNOW THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT THAT A GUY WANTS TO DO NOW. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE OF IT OR NOT, HADN'T COME TO US YET, BUT IT'S 40 HOMES. YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING 100 FOOT ROAD, MAYBE. MAYBE A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT. THAT'S IDEAL. YOU PLACE TWO OR THREE HYDRANTS IN THERE IN THE SAC AND BACK. WHEN YOU TIE ONTO IT, YOU RUN WITH IT. THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, WOULD WE AS A COUNTY WANT TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY ONCE THE DEVELOPMENT IS DONE FOR THE AQUIFER SYSTEM AND BUILD CUSTOMERS THAT WAY? OR WOULD WE WANT TO LEAVE THAT ON THE DEVELOPER TO DO IT? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> I DON'T KNOW. >> LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THEY'RE GOING TO DEVELOP. WE'RE ALLOWING THEM TO DEVELOP IT. THIS IS A STIPULATION. THEN YOU TURN THAT SYSTEM OVER TO THE COUNTY. COUNTY MANAGES THAT SYSTEM, SO WE KNOW IT'S UP TO DATE. WE KNOW IT'S INSPECTED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WHAT HAVE YOU. THEN, WE CAN ALSO BILL CUSTOMERS AND RECEIVE REVENUE BACK FROM IT TO THEN EXPAND THE SYSTEM AND TIE ONTO THEM. >> THERE'S GOING TO BE METERS, FOR EACH HOUSE ANYWAY. YOU WOULD KNOW WHAT THE WATER USAGE IS, HOUSE TO BE ABLE TO BUILD. WHETHER IT WAS ON THAT INITIAL SYSTEM, OR IF IT CONNECTED TO THE COUNTY SIDE. IT'S JUST GOING THE SOURCES GOING IN, BUT YOU STILL HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL METERS. >> I DIDN'T MEAN TO CONFUSE THINGS. I WAS JUST TRYING TO SAY IF YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE, YOU'RE NOT, IT'D BE A WASTE OF DISMANTLE IT. YOU'VE ALREADY GOT A SYSTEM THERE THAT'S SUPPLYING, SAY, LIKE YOUR 30 HOMES. IT'S GOING TO ALREADY HAVE PUMPS AND EVERYTHING IN THERE. IF YOU COOK ONTO THE COUNTY SYSTEM, UTILITY SYSTEM, WOULD THAT BE A VIABLE OPTION? SOONER THAN TEAR IT DOWN AND JUST LET IT GO TO DISARRAY, TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN IT, BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING THE WATER, YOU GOT THE STORAGE, AND YOU GOT THE PUMPS, AND BE ABLE TO USE THAT FOR AN ALTERNATE REFILL FOR A BRUSH FIRE, WHATEVER CASE MAY BE, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE A CLOSE FIRE, EVEN IN THE HOUSE FIRE SITUATION. THAT'S ALL I WAS TRYING TO GET IT. I DIDN'T MEAN TO CONFUSE THINGS. [00:45:04] >> I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO PROBLEM SOLVE, AND YOU'RE NOT THERE YET. >> THIS IS A GREAT CONVERSATION AND THAT'S THE IDEA. THAT'S WHY THE PLAN DOES NOT GET INTO THE DETAILS ON THAT. IT LEAVES IT OPEN SO THAT THE COUNTY AND EVERYONE GETS TO DISCUSS THAT AND COME UP WITH BE CREATIVE AT A LATER TIME. >> WELL, I DO HAVE A QUESTION, THOUGH, BECAUSE YOU SAID IN THIS NEW PINK AREA, THE GOAL WOULD BE IS TO ALLOW THESE SYSTEMS THAT COULD SERVICE A COMMUNITY, BUT THEN ONCE IT CAME ON BOARD, THEY WOULD NEED TO CONNECT. BUT IN THE PRIOR PICTURE YOU SHOWED, A LOT IN THIS PINK WERE PEOPLE THAT HAD THE FAMILY TRACKS THAT WERE EXCLUDED FROM CONNECTING TO THAT ZONE. YOU CAN'T MOVE THE PROPERTY, SO I'M ASSUMING THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE THOSE IN THIS AREA. BUT IF WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT SAYS THEY DON'T HAVE TO CONNECT, I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WAS THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONNECT. AGAIN, THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS. I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE, BECAUSE IT COULD BE CONFUSING FOR SOMEBODY THAT HAS PROPERTY IN THAT AREA THAT SAYS, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, YOU SAID, I DON'T HAVE TO CONNECT. NOW ARE YOU SAYING, IF YOU CHANGE THIS PINK AREA, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO CONNECT, OR I'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF COMMUNITY, I'M JUST. >> THIS COUNTY, WE'LL HAVE TO MAINTAIN AWARENESS OF, FAMILY DIVISIONS. >> YES, SIR. >> THEY CURRENTLY HAVE ALL THESE EXCEPTIONS AND, THE PLAN RECOMMENDS JUST REASSESSING AND LOOKING AT THAT AND SEE HOW THEY FIT INTO WHATEVER CHANGES YOU HAVE. >> JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. >> I HAD SOME OTHER THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO OFFER THERE ON THAT. >> LOOKS LIKE A THUNDERSTORM MOVING THROUGH. >> WELL, THE NEXT KEY PIECE OF THE PLAN TO DISCUSS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S AN ACRONYM FOR THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH I'M GOING TO CALL IT, THE FLUM, BUT I'LL TRY IT ONCE. THIS IS THE VISUAL VISION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE COUNTY OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS. I REMEMBER. THERE'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND HERE. WE JUST TALKED ABOUT UTILITY CONNECTION REQUIREMENTS CHANGING TO ALLOW MAKE IT EASIER TO DEVELOP IN THE PRINCE GEORGE PLANNING AREA, BUT WE HAVEN'T YET THOUGHT ABOUT HOW TO PUMP THE BRAKES A LITTLE BIT ON THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA, OR EVEN IF YOU WANT TO, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING TO JUST THINK ABOUT AS WE APPROACH THAT TOPIC. HERE'S THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AND I'LL FLIP BACK BETWEEN THESE TWO MAPS. YOU CAN SEE THE LINES ARE PGPA LINES ARE IN THERE. THE COLORS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP ARE DRAWN STARTING FROM THOSE PLANNING AREA BOUNDARIES. YOU CAN SEE HOW THE IN THE INNER AREA, THE UTILITY SERVICE AREA, I'M TRYING TO GO BACK. IT'S GRAY HERE, HERE, IT'S ORANGE AND PINK, SO IN THAT UTILITY SERVICE AREA, YOU'VE GOT YOUR CORE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL PARKS EXISTING AND ANY AVAILABLE PARKS JUST THERE, AND YOU'VE GOT YOUR MARKET RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY. I'LL EXPLAIN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ABOUT THESE CATEGORIES, BUT THAT'S YOUR MOST DENSE TYPE OF HOUSING OFFERS THE MOST OPTIONS FOR HOW TO DEVELOP BECAUSE THEY'RE IN WITH AVAILABILITY OR NEAR PROXIMITY TO PUBLIC LINES. EVEN 3,000 FEET AWAY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LESS THAN THAT IS DEBATABLY. THE PROXIMITY VARIES BASED ON THE PROPERTY. THEN OUTSIDE OF THAT UTILITY SERVICE AREA, YOU'VE GOT THE UTILITY TRANSITION AREA WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, AND THAT'S THE YELLOW. IN THAT AREA, YOU'D HAVE SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE STARTING TO GET INTO BIGGER LOT SIZES ARE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THESE AREAS. BY BIGGER I JUST MEAN NOT THE SMALLEST ONES. IN THE MARKET RESIDENTIAL, YOU MIGHT HAVE MULTI FAMILY, BUT WHEN YOU GET FAR AWAY FROM PUBLIC UTILITIES, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY WANT THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. YOU MIGHT BE LOOKING FOR MORE ONE ACRE LOTS OR THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THIS MAP IS GENERALIZED, SO IT'S JUST SAYING, HEY, THE GENERAL IDEA HERE IS SUBURBAN-TYPE RESIDENTIAL OUTSIDE OF THE SERVICE AREA, IN THAT OPTIONAL UTILITIES AREA, AND MORE DENSE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT ARE APPROPRIATE IN THE YOUR SERVICE AREA. NOW, IT'S STILL UP TO THE BOARD TO DECIDE ULTIMATELY WHEN PEOPLE BRING FORWARD A REZONING CASE, WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT YOU WANT TO HAPPEN AND WHERE. THIS IS JUST YOUR GUIDE. YOU CAN SEE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE PLANNING AREAS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. LOOK OVER IN THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA, YOU'VE GOT TWO GREEN COLORS. RIGHT NOW, YOU'VE JUST GOT ONE. IN THE CURRENT ADOPTED PLAN, IT'S JUST CALLED AGRICULTURE. [00:50:02] AS WE KNOW, NOT ALL PROPERTIES HAVE ACTUAL AGRICULTURE GOING ON IN THEM. YOU'VE GOT FORESTRY, YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY'S HOUSE, BUT THEIR LAND AROUND IT. YOU'VE GOT A WIDE VARIETY OF THINGS, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE RURAL WORD A LOT WITH THIS PLAN, SO THESE WOULD NOW BE CALLED THE RURAL PRESERVATION AREA. I'M SORRY, NOT THE AREA, BUT A CATEGORY OF FUTURE LAND USE WOULD BE THE RURAL PRESERVATION AREAS AND THE RURAL AREAS. AGAIN, WE'LL KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THESE, BUT THE KEY THING TO SEE HERE IS THAT, ON YOUR DRAFT FUTURE LAND USE MAP, YOU'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES IN THAT CONSERVATION AREA. YOU CAN ALSO SEE VILLAGE CENTER OVERLAYS IDENTIFIED HERE, AND INTERSTATE EXIT OVERLAYS. IT'S HARD TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE, BUT THE POINT IS THERE'S SPECIFIC AREAS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AS FOCUS AREAS FOR OTHER TOPICS THAT WE'LL GET INTO LATER. YOU'VE ALSO GOT A BUFFER AROUND FORT LEE. THERE'S SOME SPECIAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THAT AREA, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. HERE'S A VISUAL REPRESENT EXPLANATION OF THE CATEGORIES, AND AGAIN, THE PLAN DOCUMENT ITSELF EXPLAINS EVERYTHING IN MORE DETAIL. THE GREEN CATEGORIES ARE THE RURAL AREAS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, DARK GREEN IS RURAL PRESERVATION. THAT'S THE MOST UNDEVELOPED TYPE OF LAND USES SHOULD OCCUR THERE, AND THE LIGHT GREEN IS A RURAL RESIDENTIAL TYPE AREA, WHERE YOU HAVE A MIX OF PRESERVATION AND SOME LOW DENSITY HOUSING LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE ALREADY. THE YELLOW CATEGORY IS FOR YOUR TYPICAL SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. DOES NOT HAVE TO BE ON A CUL DE SAC, BUT YOU OFTEN SEE THAT ON A CUL DE SAC. THE ORANGE CATEGORY IS THE MARKET RESIDENTIAL, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S THE WIDEST VARIETY OF RESIDENTIAL WITH THE IDEA BEHIND CALLING IT MARKET RESIDENTIAL, IS THAT YOU LET THE MARKET DECIDE WHAT IT WANTS TO ASK FOR, AND THEN, AGAIN, YOU, THE COUNTY, GET TO DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO ACCEPT WHEN YOU REVIEW REZONING THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU. THE RED CATEGORY IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL CATEGORY. THAT'S FOR A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERY PROPERTY IS GOING TO HAVE BOTH THINGS ON IT. IT JUST MAY HAVE BOTH THINGS ON IT. AGAIN, MUST HAVE A REZONING TO TAKE PLACE. RIGHT NOW, YOUR ORDINANCE DOESN'T ALLOW BOTH THINGS ON THE SAME PROPERTY. ORDINANCE CHANGES WOULD BE NECESSARY TO IMPLEMENT THIS. THE IDEA IS JUST THAT YOU'VE GOT PARTICULAR AREAS WHERE IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A MIX OF THINGS HAPPENING. YOU CAN SEE IT'S NOT COVERING A LOT OF LAND AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH ONLY IN THE SERVICE AREA. WITH THE EXCEPTION BEING THE DISPUTANTA AREAS CURRENTLY HAS THAT ALONG ROUTE 460. IT'S HARD TO SEE ON THAT SCALE. THE PINK IS FOR COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL. IN THE PAST, THESE HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED TWO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, BUT THE LINES BETWEEN THOSE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES HAVE BLURRED OVER TIME, AND YOU'VE OFTEN GOT BOTH THINGS HAPPENING, OR YOU'VE GOT, LET'S SAY, TAKE A SHELL BUILDING, AND IT'S GOT DIFFERENT USES OVER TIME, AND YOU GET A LOT OF WHAT FEELS SOMETIMES UNNECESSARY PROCESSES HAPPENING BECAUSE WE CALL SOMETHING INDUSTRIAL OR VERSUS BUSINESS. THE IDEA IS TO SIMPLIFY THAT A BIT AND SAY, YOU'VE GOT CERTAIN AREAS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR BUSINESS TYPE ACTIVITIES, OR COMMERCIAL/INDUSTRIAL AREAS. THEN FINALLY, THERE'S BLACK COLORED AREAS ON THE MAP, AND THOSE ARE STATE AND FEDERAL INSTITUTIONS, WHICH THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE CONTROL OVER WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THOSE PROPERTIES. I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE MAP FOR A SECOND. YOU GET ANOTHER LOOK. MOST OF YOUR STATE FEDERAL IS, OF COURSE, FORT LEE, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE PRISON, ETC, UP THERE, THE TWO PRISONS, THAT COVERS MOST OF IT. I'LL NOTE, AGAIN, WHILE WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT THIS FLUM, YOU'VE GOT THE OPTION TO GO AND SEE AN ONLINE INTERACTIVE VERSION OF THIS. I'LL SEND THAT TO YOU AFTER THE MEETING, BUT THERE'S A LINK POSTED TO THAT ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE, SO YOU'D BE ABLE TO LOOK UP YOUR PROPERTY OR ANY OTHER PROPERTY THAT YOU WANT TO AND SEE THE TAX PARCEL LINES AND SEE HOW IT INTERACTS WITH THIS. THAT CAN BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND THIS TO THINK ABOUT IT IN RELATION TO A PARTICULAR PROPERTY. IN ONE MORE NOTE ON THE GREEN AREAS, [00:55:01] I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, THESE ARE THE GREEN AREAS, THE RURAL PRESERVATION ARE NOT FOLLOWING PARCEL LINES. THEY'RE DRAWN BASED ON A DEVELOPMENT SUITABILITY ANALYSIS THAT THE CONSULTANT DID WHERE THEY IDENTIFIED BASED ON VARIOUS FACTORS, LAND THAT IS LESS SUITABLE VERSUS MORE SUITABLE DEVELOPMENT, AND A LOT OF THAT WAS DRIVEN BY ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD A BUILDING INSIDE OF A CREEK BED OR A POND, AND THEN OFTEN YOU HAVE PROTECTED AREAS, LIKE, WE CALL THE RESOURCE PROTECTION AREAS WHERE YOU'RE PROTECTING THE CHESAPEAKE BAY, AROUND WATER BODIES, AND YOU'VE GOT WETLANDS. THOSE ARE THE BASIS FOR THE PRESERVATION AREAS. ALSO, YOU'VE GOT EXISTING CONSERVATION EASEMENTS. SEVERAL FACTORS HAVE GONE INTO FIGURING OUT WHERE THE PRESERVATION AREAS WOULD BE VERSUS THE RURAL AREAS. IT'S NOT LIKE STAFF HAS GONE IN THERE WITH A MAGNIFYING GLASS AND SAID, THIS PROPERTY SHALL BE PRESERVATION, THIS PROPERTY SHALL NOT. THIS WAS ARBITRARILY BASED ON THE ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE. >> I CAN TELL YOU NOW WITH THE WAY 2045 HAS SPLIT OUT RULE, I HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AND DEFINITION FOR RULE. NOW THE WAY THAT'S BROKEN OUT, I WOULD UNDERSTAND CLEAR WHAT I'M TRYING TO PRESERVE IN EACH ONE OF THOSE AREAS. >> YES, SIR. GO AHEAD. >> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT REAL QUICK? >> JUST LOOKING AT THE MAP. IS THERE A POSSIBLE WAY WHERE WE'VE GOT THE RULE PRESERVATION AREA, THE RULE THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AN OVERLAY MAP OF, I GUESS, FARMABLE FIELDS? IS THERE A WAY TO DO THAT? THE ONLY REASON I ASK IS THE MAIN THING RIGHT HERE LOOKS LIKE A SWAMP TO ME. LOOKS LIKE THE BLACKWATER SWAMP, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RULE PRESERVATION AREA, CAUSE IF THAT'S THE CASE, YOU CAN'T FARM IT, YOU CAN'T DEVELOP IT, SO IT'S PRESERVING ITSELF. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? TO ME, PRESERVATION IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED THAT YOU'RE TRYING NOT TO ALLOW TO BE DEVELOPED TO GIVE THAT RULE CHARACTER TO THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE OR NOT, BUT LIKE I SAID, IF LOOKING AT THIS MAP AND GROWING UP IN A COUNTY, THAT, A COUPLE OF THEM LOOK LIKE SWAMPS. >> THAT WAS A BIG BASIS FOR DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN THEM, AND THE LIGHT GREEN IS STILL CALLED RURAL AREA. YOU'D LIKE TO PROBABLY LIKE TO PRESERVE THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> I'M GOING TO GET INTO SOME PROPOSED REGULATIONS. YOU CAN SEE HOW ONCE YOU IDENTIFY THEM AS TWO DIFFERENT AREAS, YOU'RE GOING TO START TO DISTINGUISH WHAT THE RULES ARE FOR THOSE AREAS. AS WE GET INTO THESE REGULATIONS, I JUST WANT TO FOCUS ON THE ORANGE BOX AT THE BOTTOM FIRST. THE PROPOSED REGULATIONS ARE INTENDED TO ACCOMPLISH THE COUNTY'S LONG STANDING GOAL TO LIMIT SUBDIVISION ACTIVITY IN RURAL AREAS. THEY PURPOSEFULLY DECREASE BARRIERS TO DEVELOP IN THE PGPA, BUT INCREASE THEM IN THE RCA, AND JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE'S AN INCENTIVE STRUCTURE THAT'S FORMED BY YOUR REGULATIONS PLUS THE MARKET. YOU GOT TO THINK ABOUT THE BIG PICTURE AND HOW CHANGING SOMETHING HERE MIGHT CHANGE THE OVERALL STRUT INCENTIVES PICTURE THAT YOU'VE GOT. PLEASE, AGAIN, REMEMBER, NO CODE CHANGES WOULD BE ADOPTED HERE. THESE ARE PROPOSED CHANGES TO CHART A COURSE IN A DIRECTION, AND THEN ALL CODE CHANGES WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT PROCESS, AND YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE WOULD HAVE THE CHANCE TO READ THEM IN DETAIL AND THINK ABOUT THEM AND DEBATE ALL THE RULES AND HOW THEY INTERACT WITH ONE ANOTHER. THAT'S UNDERSTOOD. YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GOT THESE COLORED CATEGORIES ON HERE, SO YOU CAN STILL FOLLOW AND SEE HOW THEY FIT TOGETHER. IN THE RURAL PRESERVATION CATEGORY, PG2045 RECOMMENDS THAT THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE BE INCREASED, AGAIN, IN THE DARK GREEN AREAS ON THAT MAP FROM FIVE ACRES MINIMUM LOT SIZE, WHICH IS YOUR CURRENT RULE, TO AT LEAST 20 ACRES OF MINIMUM LOT SIZE. THAT WOULD MAKE IT HARDER TO SUBDIVIDE AND BUILD ON LAND IN THOSE AREAS. AGAIN, TO BE CLEAR, THAT'S NOT THE ENTIRE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA. THAT'S PART OF IT, AND IT'S ESPECIALLY THE AREAS THAT ARE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AND/OR EXISTING CONSERVATION EASEMENTS AND SO ON. MANY PROPERTIES HAVE BOTH DESIGNATIONS ON THEM. IN THE RURAL CATEGORY, THE LIGHT GREEN, THOSE AREAS WOULD RETAIN THE EXISTING MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF FIVE ACRES. [01:00:01] THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE PLAN RIGHT NOW. IN BOTH OF THE RURAL CATEGORIES, PRIVATE ROADS ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED FOR UP TO THREE LOTS. YOU KNOW THAT. PRINCE GEORGE 2045 DOES NOT FINALLY SETTLE THIS WHERE THE COUNTY STANDS ON THIS. YOU'LL RECALL, WE HAD A PRESENTATION WITH THE BOARD, AND WHAT WE GENERALLY DECIDE IS THAT YOU DEFINITELY LIKE TO THINK ABOUT THAT SOME MORE, HAVE SOME MORE FOCUSED THOUGHT ON THAT AND SOME MORE INFORMATION, BUT A DECISION AT SOME POINT NEED TO BE MADE ON WHETHER YOU WANT TO DO ANYTHING TO CHANGE THE CURRENT RULES ON THAT. WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT WHY YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER DOING THAT. YOU CAN EXPECT THAT THAT WOULD COME DURING THE PROCESS TO UPDATE THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE. THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT WE'D FOCUS IN ON AT THAT TIME. THEN YOU CAN CONTRAST THOSE RULES WITH THE YELLOW AND THE RED AND THE ORANGE CATEGORIES, WHICH ARE THOSE AREAS INTENDED TO BE DEVELOPED AT VARIOUS DENSITIES. AGAIN, THE SUBURBAN IS A PRETTY WIDE RANGE. TOWNHOUSES ARE OFTEN CONSIDERED THE SAME AS SIMILAR TO SINGLE FAMILY. YES, THEY ARE SMALLER LOTS, BUT YOU CAN HAVE THINGS IN PLACE TO PRESERVE LAND AROUND THEM WHILE ALLOWING THEM SO THAT YOU END UP WITH A SIMILAR DENSITY AS A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE ARE WAYS TO GET THERE. THE MARKET RESIDENTIAL IS WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE MULTIFAMILY AND SMALLER LOTS THAN ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED, IF YOU ADOPT CORE CHANGES THAT DO THAT. PUBLIC ROAD FRONTAGE IS ALREADY REQUIRED IN THOSE TYPES OF AREAS. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ABOUT THESE PROPOSED REGULATIONS THAT WOULD ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT THE IDEA TO MAKE IT EASIER TO DEVELOP IN THE PGPA, BUT HARDER TO DEVELOP IN THE CONSERVATION AREA. >> ANY QUESTIONS? >> MR. CHAIR, I'VE JUST GOT A COMMENT AND NOT REALLY A QUESTION. >> GO AHEAD. >> ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO SEE IS HOW MUCH BUILDABLE ACREAGE THERE IS IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY, AND THEN SEE HOW MUCH IS SWAMP AND UNBUILDABLE, WHETHER IT'S RAVINES, WHETHER IT'S SWAMP, PONDS, RIVER, AND THEN DO AN ANALOGY, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, AND LOOK AT, IF THESE AREN'T TRUE NUMBERS, BUT SAY IT'S 500 ACRES, 250 ACRES OF SWAMP, THEN WE ONLY HAVE 250 ACRES THAT IS BUILDABLE. HOW MUCH OF THAT 250 ACRES DO WE WANT TO DEVELOP IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE. SOMETHING BROKE DOWN INTO ACTUAL DATA THAT GIVES YOU YOUR RULE PRESERVATION, YOUR RURAL AREA, YOUR SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL. THAT WAY WE ACTUALLY KNOW HOW MUCH LAND IS BEING DEVELOPED. >> TRYING TO THINK ABOUT THE COUNTY AND THE BIG PICTURE AND SAY, HOW MUCH ACREAGE IS IN THE COUNTY, HOW MUCH ACREAGE IS BUILDABLE THAT'S NOT ALREADY BUILT? >> YES. >> HOW MUCH ACREAGE IS NOT BUILDABLE? SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND JUST HOW TO UNDER QUANTIFY. >> THEN ALSO PUT IN THERE, I KNOW THERE'S SEVERAL PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY THAT ARE IN A CONSERVATION EASEMENT CURRENTLY. TO ME, THAT WOULD BE IF IT'S IN THE PLANNING DISTRICT, YOU COULD REMOVE IT AND ADD THAT ACREAGE SOMEWHERE ELSE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. FOR INSTANCE, ON ONE OF THESE MAPS, LET'S SAY THE RICHER BLAND DISTRICT, IF THERE IS A CONSERVATION EASEMENT ALREADY IN PLACE, THEN THAT CANNOT BE DEVELOPED PER THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT. YOU MAY WOULD LEAN MORE FAVORABLE TO IF THERE'S 100 ACRES THERE THAT'S IN AN EASEMENT, MAYBE YOU OPEN UP 100 ACRES SOMEWHERE ELSE TO BE DEVELOPED, IS MY THOUGHT PROCESS. >> SURE. WE COULD DO SOME ANALYSIS RELATED TO THAT IN THAT DIRECTION. >> ANYBODY ELSE? >> NO, AND THANK YOU. >> I'M LOOKING AT THE KEY CODE CHANGES, AND IN MY MIND, I'M SITTING HERE THINKING, THIS WOULD BE THE PLACE WHERE I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD INTERACT WITH A CITIZEN GROUP, THAT, AGAIN, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE, THAT WOULD BE MADE UP OF FARMERS, DEVELOPERS, REALTORS AND JUST EVERYDAY CITIZENS BECAUSE I KNOW THE FIVE ACRE, BUT AGAIN, HAVING THE FIVE ACRES IN THE RULE AREA, I THINK THAT THAT'S STILL NOT TRULY PRESERVING THAT RULE AREA. IF SOMEBODY HAD FIVE ACRES AND SAY YOU SAY TWO ACRES YOU BUILD ON AND YOU HAVE TO PRESERVE THE OTHER TWO OR TWO-AND-A-HALF ACRES FOR RULE, [01:05:06] YOU'D HAVE A NICE BLEND OF BOTH. I JUST PICKED A NUMBER. ESPECIALLY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ROAD FRONTAGE AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT I'M NOT THE EXPERT AT THAT. DON'T TRY TO BE. I JUST STILL THINK, THOUGH, IT'S HARD FOR ME RIGHT NOW TO SIT HERE AND FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT SOME OF THESE POTENTIAL CODE CHANGES WITHOUT TALKING TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THESE THINGS EVERY DAY. >> THIS IS, AGAIN, IF YOU GENERALLY LIKE THE DIRECTION THAT IT'S GOING FOR. THAT'S WHAT THE COMP PLAN IS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. WHEN THE CODE AMENDMENT COMES TO YOU, YOU HAVE A COMP PLAN THAT SAYS, THINK ABOUT IT THIS WAY BUT THEN THAT'S YOUR CHANCE TO HAVE THIS COMMUNITY MEETINGS, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. STAFF WILL DO WHAT YOU ASKED FOR THAT YOU NEED DONE TO MAKE YOUR DECISION. >> I GET IT. YOU'VE SAID IT BEFORE. THIS IS JUST THE ROAD MAP. THE DETAILS IS IN THE CODE, THE ZONING AND ALL OF THAT. IT JUST GIVES YOU THE HIGH LEVEL ROAD MAP. GOT YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? YOU GOOD? >> YEAH. >> I THINK SO. >> ANOTHER KEY FEATURE OF PG 2045 IS CLEAR GUIDANCE ABOUT FUTURE LAND USE AROUND FORT LEE. DURING THE PROCESS TO DRAFT PG 2045, YOUR PLANNING STAFF WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE PLANNERS AT FORT LEE TO CREATE THIS MAP TO ILLUSTRATE AREAS AROUND THE FORT, WHERE THE COUNTY CAN EXPECT TO EXPERIENCE EXTERNAL IMPACTS FROM THE TRAINING ACTIVITIES GOING ON THE BASE. BESIDES THE COUNTY EXPERIENCING IMPACTS FROM THE FORT, THE FORT WILL EXPERIENCE IMPACTS FROM THE COUNTY'S, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE LAND USES THAT OCCUR AROUND THE BASE. THAT'S THE DOUBLE-SIDED AREA. YOU'VE GOT IMPACTS FROM BOTH SIDES. ON THE MAP, YOU CAN SEE THAT FORT LEE IS IN THE MIDDLE, SURROUNDED BY THE RED-SHADED PRIMARY PROTECTION AREA. AGAIN, THIS IS NO RELATION TO THE OTHER AREAS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. THIS IS ALL FOCUSED ON FORT LEE. THEY IDENTIFIED TWO AREAS TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT IMPACTS IN THOSE AREAS, OR THE COUNTY HAS POTENTIAL TO IMPACT THEM DIFFERENTLY IN THOSE AREAS. YOU CAN SEE THE IMPACTS AND THOUGHTS THAT YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT SUMMARIZED AT THE TOP, AND PRIMARY PROTECTION IS THE RED. YOU CAN SEE THAT INCLUDES NOISE, SMOKE, DUST, UAVS, OR DRONES, HELICOPTERS AND AIRSPACE CONCERNS, AND IN THE SECONDARY PROTECTION AREA, WHICH IS COVERING MOST OF THE PERIMETER AROUND THE FORT. THOSE ARE THE SAME, BUT THE COUNTY'S DEVELOPMENT IS MORE LIKELY TO IMPACT IN THE FORT THERE. THINGS LIKE LIGHT POLLUTION AND TALL STRUCTURES CAN AFFECT THE FORT'S MISSION. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TALL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OVER THE HEIGHT LIMIT. ANYWAY, SO MOST THINGS THAT ARE UNDER THE HEIGHT LIMEN ARE GOING TO BE AN ISSUE. BUT LIKE A CELL TOWER MAY NOT BE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO THINK HARD ABOUT APPROVING THERE BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD INTERFERE WITH THEIR AIRSPACE WHEN THEY'RE FLYING DRONES AROUND, PEOPLE PARACHUTING, THINGS LIKE THAT. LIGHT POLLUTION. LIGHT POLLUTION CAN INTERFERE WITH NIGHT VISION GOGGLES IF THEY'RE DOING NIGHTTIME TRAINING. THE COUNTY, OF COURSE, GETS TO CONTROL WHAT IT DOES ON ITS LAND, AND THE FORT GETS TO CONTROL WHAT IT DOES ON ITS LAND. THIS IS GUIDANCE. THE GENERAL GIST OF THIS GUIDANCE IS TO PREFER COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES AROUND THE FORT. YOU'RE LESS LIKELY TO HAVE BUSINESSES UPSET WITH WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE FORT MAKING LOUD NOISES THAN YOU ARE WITH RESIDENTS WHO ARE MORE LIKELY TO CALL YOU AND SAY, WHY IS THERE ALL THIS NOISE? THERE'S GUNSHOTS, AND IT TURNS OUT THEY'RE DOING TRAINING AT THE FORT. COMMERCIAL IS LEAST LIKELY TO, IN GENERAL, CONFLICT WITH THE MISSION THERE. NOW, THAT SAID, STILL, IF THERE'S A REZONING OR SPECIAL EXCEPTION, YOU GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND REMEMBER HOW TO THINK ABOUT THAT DECISION THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU. QUESTIONS ON THAT? >> NO, SIR. >> THE NEXT KEY CONCEPT IS PLANNING TO PLAN. THIS PLAN IS TRYING TO BUILD A CULTURE OF PLANNING. YES, THAT DOES MEAN THAT PG 2045 RECOMMENDS MORE PLANS, BUT YOU HAVE 20 YEARS OF HORIZON HERE TO DO THIS. THERE'S NO EXPECTATION THAT YOU'RE DOING ALL THESE PLANS AT ONCE ALL OF THEM OR EVEN THAT YOU'LL DO ALL OF THEM. YOU HAVE MULTIPLE REVIEWS OVER 20 YEARS TO SAY, DO WE WANT TO DO XYZ? YOU CAN CHANGE THE PLAN IN THE MEANTIME. THE HIGHEST PRIORITY ADDITIONAL PLAN THAT PG [01:10:01] 2045 RECOMMENDS THAT YOU DO IS THE COUNTYWIDE COMMUNITY FACILITIES PLAN. THIS WOULD BRING TOGETHER THE NEEDS OF THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS THAT PROVIDE SERVICES TO RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES, SUCH AS FIRE, EMS, SCHOOLS, PARKS, AND THERE'S PLENTY MORE THAT YOU KNOW OF THAT HAVE FACILITIES THAT HAVE FUNDING NEEDS TO THINK ABOUT AND STAFFING NEEDS. BUT COMMUNITY FACILITIES PLAN IS FOCUSED ON THE PHYSICAL FACILITIES AND WHERE THEY ARE AND HOW BIG THEY ARE AND WHO THEY SERVE, AND WHAT ARE THE DISTANCES TO THOSE PEOPLE, THINGS LIKE THAT. ALL THOSE. YOU'VE ALSO GOT WATER AND WASTEWATER PROJECTS. A COMMUNITY FACILITIES PLAN IS MEANT TO BRING ALL THAT TOGETHER BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, IT'S DIFFICULT TO THINK ABOUT THEM IN SILOS. YOU THINK ABOUT WATER AND WASTEWATER ONE DAY, AND THEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT SCHOOLS ANOTHER DAY, AND SO ON. THIS IS TRYING TO BRING IT ALL TOGETHER TO THINK ABOUT TOGETHER, BECAUSE THEY ALL COMPETE FOR THE SAME POT OF MONEY, FOR THE MOST PART. THERE WOULD BE STRATEGIC GOALS TO TRY TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CONTEXT FOR YOUR DECISION MAKING, AND IT WOULD PROVIDE A LIST OF PROJECTS FOR CONSIDERATION. IT'S ANOTHER PLAN THAT WOULD NEED TO BE UPDATED PERIODICALLY, EVERY SEVERAL YEARS OR SO, BUT THIS WOULD HELP YOU WITH YOUR DECISION MAKING PROCESSES AROUND CAPITAL FUNDING. IT WOULD HELP YOU WITH THE PRIORITIZATION OF THE PROJECTS, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT YOU DO IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN, WHICH IS COMING UP RIGHT THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR. CURRENT THING TO THINK ABOUT, AND AS YOU GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR, YOU MIGHT THINK ABOUT HOW HAVING A COUNTYWIDE PLAN WOULD HELP YOU WITH THIS DECISION MAKING PROCESS. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT SLIDE. >> I THINK WE'RE GOOD. >> THAT'S THE HIGHEST PRIORITY PLAN THAT PRINCE GEORGE 2045 RECOMMENDS THAT YOU DO. SOME MORE PLANS TO THINK ABOUT, WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH SMALL AREA PLANS. PRINCE GEORGE 2045 TALKS ABOUT VILLAGE CENTERS AND INTERSTATE INTERCHANGE AREAS. IT'S IDENTIFIED KEY AREAS THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO DO FOCUSED PLANNING EFFORTS. IT'S HARD FOR THIS COUNTYWIDE PG 2045 PLAN TO DO JUSTICE TO THE DETAIL THAT IS NEEDED FOR SPECIFIC AREAS. A SMALL AREA PLAN IS A DETAILED PLANNING DOCUMENT FOR FOCUSING ON A SPECIFIC GEOGRAPHIC AREA. WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THE AREA? WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU DEFINED DURING THAT PLANNING PROCESS. YOU CAN SEE AN EXAMPLE HERE ON THE RIGHT IN THAT IMAGE THAT'S FROM HANOVER. THEY DID A ROUTE 33 GATEWAY SMALL AREA PLAN. THEY DECIDED, HEY, THE BOUNDARIES OF OUR AREA THAT WE WANT TO PLAN FOR, THESE ARE THE BOUNDARIES. THEY HAVE MORE IN THEIR PLAN THAT IDENTIFIES WHAT PARCELS ARE IN THERE, AND THEN THEY GO FROM THERE TO SET A VISION AND SO ON. WHAT DO YOU WANT AND HOW WILL YOU ACHIEVE IT? YOU'RE FOCUSING ON A SPECIFIC AREA WITH THAT IN MIND. PG 2045 RECOMMENDS VARIOUS AREAS MOST OF WHICH ARE LISTED HERE. THE ONLY ONE IN THE PLAN IS IDENTIFIED AS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY, AND THAT WOULD BE THE COURTHOUSE AREA VILLAGE CENTER. THIS IS A CONCEPT THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT ON AND OFF FOR DECADES AS FAR AS I CAN SEE. IT'S JUST BEEN AN IDEA. HAVING A PLAN LIKE THIS WOULD HELP MAKE IT A REALITY TO FIND SOME BOUNDARIES, AND YOU CAN DECIDE WHAT TO DO INSIDE THAT, AND YOU CAN BRING TOGETHER NOT JUST THE COUNTY'S PUBLIC RESOURCES, BUT PRIVATE GROUPS, BUSINESS ASSOCIATION, FOUNDATIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT TO WORK TOGETHER TO TRY TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN, WHATEVER IT IS THAT THE COUNTY WANTS TO HAPPEN, YOU FIGURE THAT OUT IN A SMALL AREA PLAN. IN THEORY, YOU DO A COUNTYWIDE FACILITIES PLAN. MAYBE THAT'S YOUR FIRST PRIORITY. AGAIN, IT'S UP TO THE BOARD TO DECIDE THAT ULTIMATELY, BUT THE NEXT RECOMMENDED PLAN TO DO AFTER THAT WOULD BE THE COURTHOUSE AREA VILLAGE CENTER. YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT GOES IF YOU WANT TO EMBARK ON THE NEXT ONE AFTER THAT. >> EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THIS IS A 2045 PLAN, WOULDN'T IT BEHOOVE US TO START THINKING ALONG THIS LINE BECAUSE OF THE INFLUENCE FACTOR OF THE CASINO AND THAT WHOLE WALTON AREA AND ALL THAT RIGHT OFF. >> IT'S A GOOD CONTEXT TO BRING THIS UP, THE CASINO. IF YOU'RE GOING TO THINK ABOUT THE CASINO, YOU'D WANT TO THINK, WHAT'S THE AREA OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN. SEE, ALL OF THESE AREAS THAT ARE NAMED HERE ARE VARIOUS DISTANCES FROM THE CASINO. [01:15:03] WE'RE GOING TO TALK MORE ABOUT SOMETHING THE COUNTY HAS MORE CONTROL OVER IN A MINUTE, BUT THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION TO KEEP IN MIND. THESE SMALLER FOCUSED PLANS ARE A BETTER PLACE WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE CASINO THAN THE COUNTYWIDE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. >> I JUST WANT US TO BE THINKING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE ALL THIS IN PLACE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE MOTIONS NOW OF TEARING THAT DOWN AND LOOKING FOR WHAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO THERE. I JUST THINK THAT PRIORITY-WISE MIGHT NEED TO START BEING THOUGHT ABOUT SOONER THAN LATER. >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT TEARING DOWN THE WALTON SCHOOL? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? >> YES. >> HERE ON THIS SLIDE, WE'VE GOT RFPS. >> I DIDN'T WORK WITH YOU TO GIVE YOU A LEAD ANSWER. >> YOU DIDN'T EVEN SEE IT. MASTER PLANS AND RFPS. YOU'VE ALREADY HAD YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THE RFP PROCESS FOR WALTON SCHOOL TRACT. THE DIFFERENCE WITH RFPS VERSUS THE PREVIOUS SLOT IS, THESE ARE FOCUSING AND MASTER PLANS AS YOU'RE FOCUSING ON SPECIFIC PROPERTIES OR ASSEMBLAGE OF SPECIFIC PROPERTIES. IT'S EVEN SMALLER AREA THAN THE SMALL AREA PLAN. NOT TO SAY THAT YOU MIGHT NOT USE A SMALL AREA PLAN TO FOCUS ON AN EVEN SMALLER AREA WITHIN THAT, BUT YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE THERE. IN RFP PROCESSES, IN THE COUNTY'S CONTROL WHEN THE COUNTY OWNS PART OF THAT AREA THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED WITH. YOU CAN SEE IN THAT IMAGE THERE, YOU'VE GOT THE WALTON SCHOOL TRACT IS THE 16 ACRES OF GREEN, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT MORE LAND AROUND THAT THAT'S PRIVATELY OWNED. RFPS OFFER YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A COUNTY OWNED SITE AND DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH IT. THEN YOU PUT THOSE PLANS INTO AN RFP, PLANS OR GUIDANCE. YOU PUT THAT INTO AN RFP DOCUMENT, AND THEN THAT TELLS DEVELOPERS WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. THEN YOU LET THEM COMPETE AND THEY SEND YOU PROPOSALS AND COMPETE TO PROVIDE THE BEST PROPOSAL. THE COUNTY GETS TO DECIDE WHAT IT LIKES, WHAT IT DOESN'T LIKE. IT CAN EVEN ASK THEM TO GO AND CHANGE IT UNTIL YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'RE VERY SATISFIED WITH WHAT THEY'RE OFFERING. AS I MENTIONED, YOU CAN INCLUDE ADDITIONAL PARCELS IN YOUR RFP. YOU REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL WOULD BE FOR YOU CAN HAVE A BIGGER AREA. THE WALTON SCHOOL TRACT IS A GREAT EXAMPLE. IF YOU COMBINE NOT JUST THE 16 ACRES, BUT THE SURROUNDING ACREAGE, YOU'LL HAVE OVER 60 ACRES OF COUNTY LAND, NOT COUNTY OWNED LAND, BUT COUNTY LAND, WHERE YOU CAN PROACTIVELY IMAGINE THE FUTURE OF THAT, NOT JUST LIMIT YOURSELVES TO THE WALTON SCHOOL TRACT. WITH AN RFP PROCESS, YOU GET TO CHOOSE THE WINNING PROPOSAL. MASTER PLANS ARE ANOTHER PLANNING OPTION. NOW WE'RE GOING OVER TO THE RIGHT SIDE. THAT'S ANOTHER PLANNING OPTION WHERE YOU TAKE A PROPERTY USUALLY THAT YOU OWN AND DESIGN EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT, AS WAS DONE WITH SCOTT PARK. ONCE YOUR DESIGN IS APPROVED, YOU STILL HAVE GOT TO FIND A WAY TO FUND AND IMPLEMENT ALL THE PARTS OF THE PROJECT OR SOME OF THE PARTS. IT HELPS TO ADOPT THE PLAN. IT HELPS TO IDENTIFY FUNDING, FOR EXAMPLE, IN A COMMUNITYWIDE COUNTY FACILITIES PLAN OR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN. THAT'S WHERE THOSE COME INTO PLAY TO TRY TO EXECUTE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO ON A PARTICULAR PROPERTY. OF COURSE, COMMUNITY INPUT CAN AND SHOULD BE BUILT INTO BOTH OF THESE TYPES OF PROCESSES. PG 2045 RECOMMENDS THESE PROCESSES BE USED FOR COUNTY OWNED SITES LIKE THE WALTON SITE, THE YANCE TRACT, AND ANY OTHERS YOU MIGHT ACQUIRE IN THE FUTURE. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THAT? >> I THINK WE'RE GOOD. >> PG 2045 HAS A LOT MORE TO IT. HERE ARE SOME OTHER IMPORTANT CATALYST PROJECTS THAT WE THOUGHT ARE WORTH MENTIONING. I DIDN'T PLAN TO MENTION THEM OUT LOUD, SO I JUST PAUSE HERE AND GIVE MYSELF A BREAK AND LET YOU READ THEM. FEEL FREE TO ASK ME ANYTHING. >> CAN YOU READ THEM FOR US? >> EXCEPT ONE THING. >> ASK ME ANY OTHER QUESTION BUT THAT. YES, SIR. GO AHEAD. >> ON THE INCREASED ACCESS TO THE JAMES RIVER AND [INAUDIBLE] BOAT RAMPS OR PARKS? >> NOW, THAT'S ONE WHERE YOU CAN HAVE PUBLIC LED EFFORT. IF THE COUNTY OWNS LAND ALONG SOMETHING, IT CAN DO SOMETHING. IF YOU HAVE A PRIVATE LANDOWNER, [01:20:03] THERE'S MANY WAYS TO GO ABOUT THERE. THERE'S THE JAMES RIVER ASSOCIATION. THERE'S VARIOUS ASSOCIATIONS OUT THERE THAT THEIR GOALS ARE ALIGNED WITH THE COUNTY'S OF INCREASING ACCESS. THIS DOESN'T GO INTO DETAIL. THAT STRATEGY IS PRETTY MUCH THAT. I THINK IT DOES PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL. I'D HAVE TO LOOK THAT NUMBER UP. BUT IT DOESN'T GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT THE DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT. BUT THE IDEA IS THAT THESE STRATEGIES ARE IN YOUR PLAN. YOU'RE GETTING REGULAR UPDATES. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT UPDATES [INAUDIBLE], UPDATES MEANING PROGRESS REPORTS. BUT YOUR PLAN IDENTIFIES, COUNTY DEPARTMENTS OR WHATEVER TO LEAD THE EFFORT. THEY WOULD BE FOCUSING ON THAT AND AT SOME POINT IN TIME TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO ABOUT THAT. THERE'S MANY OPTIONS. >> YOU GOOD? >> BUT THE PLAN IS JUST SAYING, HEY, THE COUNTY WANTS MORE ACCESS AND WORK WITH ORGANIZATIONS THAT ALSO HAVE THAT INTEREST. >> LIKE FOLAR. >> LIKE FOLAR WHICH IS DOING MATHEMATICS REGIONAL PARK PROJECT. >> I THINK WE'RE GOOD. >> I'LL MENTION THE ROUTE 460 REGIONAL CORRIDOR PLAN. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT A COUNTY CAN DO ON ITS OWN. THERE'S A LOT OF LOCALITIES THAT USE AND BENEFIT AND DEAL WITH ROUTE 460 AND ITS CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES. THIS IS A STRATEGY SAYING, THERE'S A NEED TO COLLABORATE WITH REGIONAL PARTNERS, AND THERE ARE REGIONAL PARTNERS OUT THERE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE COUNTY GOING ALONE, BUT THE FIRST STEP IS JUST IDENTIFYING THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK TOGETHER TO BENEFIT STUFF TOGETHER. MORE ON THAT SLIDE. WE'RE PRETTY MUCH AT THE END HERE, SO DON'T WORRY. WHAT IS IN PG 2045? THE LAST SLIDE IS STRENGTHENING ACCOUNTABILITY AND CONTINUALLY UPDATING THE PLAN. FINALLY, WE NEED TO DISCUSS THIS, BECAUSE THE CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REVIEW THE COMP PLAN EVERY FIVE YEARS, AND PG 2045 GOES EVEN FURTHER, IT RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION CONDUCT ANNUAL REVIEWS, AND THOSE REVIEWS RESULT IN A REPORT TO THE BOARD. THAT WOULD BE MUCH MORE REGULAR UPDATES TO THE BOARD ABOUT ITS COMP PLAN AND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH IT. THE HEAVY LIFTING TO PREPARE THOSE REPORTS IS DONE BY COUNTY STAFF, BUT THIS IS IN PLAN TO MAKE IT MORE OF A NORMAL PROCEDURE TO EVALUATE THE COUNTY'S PROGRESS AND KEEP THE CONVERSATION GOING. ADDITIONAL STRATEGIES FOR REVIEWING AND UPDATING THE PLAN ARE INCLUDED IN PG 2045. WE PROVIDED A FEW EXAMPLES THERE. I WON'T READ THEM, BUT I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS TOPIC. >> GOOD I LIKE THE REGULAR UPDATES LIKE THAT. >> GREAT. >> I AGREE. >> THIS IS THE LAST SLIDE. THERE'S A COUPLE OF MAPS THAT WE LOOKED THROUGH TONIGHT, BUT JUST IN GENERAL, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS? WE'VE WRITTEN DOWN A FEW THINGS THAT YOU ASKED FOR MORE INFORMATION ON, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT ABOUT THIS PLAN? >> FOR ME, IF THIS IS THE LAST SLIDE. >> WE HAVE A NEXT STEP SLIDE. >> THEN THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING TO GO NEXT. THANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIRMAN. >> YES, SIR. >> QUESTION. >> GO AHEAD. >> I KNOW I ASKED YOU ON THE SWAMP, THE TOTAL LAND ACREAGE. THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO ADD IN THERE IF YOU COULD IS SOLAR ACREAGE, I GUESS, PROPERTIES THAT HAS SOLAR OIL. >> THAT ONE'S EASY. I GOT YOU. >> [LAUGHTER] HERE YOU GO. >> ALSO COMMERCIAL TEMPER PROPERTIES. THAT MIGHT BE A DIFFICULT ONE, I DON'T KNOW. >> JUST ACREAGE? >> YES. JUST ACREAGE THAT WAY WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY CONSERVING, WE CAN TAKE THAT. THEN I GUESS IF WE WANTED TO DO STATE PARKS. WHERE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT GAME AND INLAND FISHERIES HAS FLOWER 200, YOU COULD COUNT THAT AS CONSERVATION ZONE AS WELL AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THE PRIOR CONSERVATIONS. THEN THAT WILL GIVE US AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH GREEN, DARK GREEN THERE IS AND HOW MUCH LIGHT GREEN THERE IS, JUST UPDATES. >> I CAN GIVE YOU SOME PERCENTAGES OF LIGHT GREEN DARK GREEN. YOU CAN GET AN IDEA JUST FROM LOOKING. THESE ARE NOT ACREAGE NUMBERS BUT THEY'RE JUST AN APPROXIMATE PERCENTAGE. YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 30% ON THAT MAP AT THE BOTTOM. ABOUT 30% IS LIGHT GREEN. ABOUT 26% IS DARK GREEN. ABOUT 26% IS RURAL PRESERVATION ON THE MAP. THEN YOU ALL OTHER CATEGORIES, [01:25:03] BASICALLY, THE PRINCE GEORGE PLANNING AREA IS ABOUT 44%. IN SUMMARY, YOU'VE GOT 44% PLANNING AREA ON THAT MAP AND ABOUT 56% OF RURAL. DOES THAT GET AT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, OR YOU STILL NEED ACREAGE NUMBERS? >> I STILL NEED THOSE NUMBERS? >> THE ONLY REASON WHY IS, LIKE I SAID, BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE WHAT IS DEVELOPABLE LAND, WHAT'S NOT DEVELOPABLE LAND. BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF WE SAY, ALL THE DARK GREEN IS UNDEVELOPABLE AND UNFARMABLE, THEN I'M GOING TO PUSH FOR SOME OF THE LIGHT GREEN TO BE DARKER GREEN, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. >> OKAY. >> THAT'S ALL I GOT, MR. CHAIR. >> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE? >> TIM, BACK WHEN WE HAD OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS WITH THE STUFF, THERE WERE SOME MAPS DREW BY THE CITIZENS. DO Y'ALL HAVE COPIES OF THOSE? >> THE ONES WITH ACTUAL MARKER INCOME. THE CONSULTANT HAS THEM, BUT I COULD PROBABLY GET THEM. >> IF YOU DON'T MIND. >> I THINK THEY PROBABLY SCANNED THEM. >> THAT'D BE PERFECT. >> I'LL ASK THEM FOR THOSE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE. >> THANK YOU. >> THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. >> OKAY, SIR. >> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE? BEFORE HE GOES TO THE NEXT STEPS? >> NO, SIR. >> THE NEXT STEPS, WE'LL GET YOU SOME MORE INFORMATION. I'M NOT SURE HOW AND HOW SOON, BUT WE'LL GET YOU. SOME OF THAT'S A LITTLE BIT HARDER THAN OTHERS. BOARD WORK SESSION IS TONIGHT. PUBLIC OPEN HOUSES ARE IN SEPTEMBER. THERE'S TWO OF THEM SCHEDULED. THE FORMAT OF THOSE IS IT'S TWO HOURS OF TIME FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN AND LOOK AT THE COPIES OF THE PLAN, POSTERS, TALK TO PEOPLE AND ASK QUESTIONS AND PROVIDE COMMENTS TO YOUR CONSULTANT, THE BERKELEY GROUP AND TO YOUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT. JUST IT'S INFORMAL. IT'S NOT AN ORGANIZED HERE'S A PRESENTATION. IT'S TALK ONE ON ONE, ONE ON TWO CONVERSATIONS. OF COURSE, IF THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE THERE, PLANING COMMISSIONERS ARE THERE, PEOPLE HAVE THE CHANCE TO TALK TO ONE ANOTHER ABOUT THIS. THAT'S THE FORMAT. THERE'S TWO OF THOSE, ONE'S ON A WEEKDAY, ONE'S ON A SATURDAY. THE TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. THEY'RE NAMED THERE. THEN YOU'VE GOT A COMPLETION OF THE DRAFT REVIEW. AGAIN, THE COMPLAINT DRAFT IS OUT THERE. WE'RE STILL REVIEWING IT. WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT TWEAKS, NOTHING MAJOR, BUT WE'RE TAKING IN THE FEEDBACK THAT'S RECEIVED. BOTH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE BERKELEY GROUP ARE TAKING IN THAT FEEDBACK. THE PUBLIC COMMENTS FORM THAT'S ONLINE, WE'RE PLANNING TO CLOSE THAT ON SEPTEMBER 19TH, WHICH IS ABOUT A WEEK AFTER THE SECOND OPEN HOUSE. AGAIN, THE DRAFT WILL HAVE BEEN POSTED ONLINE FOR A LOT OF TIME BEFORE THAT. STAFF AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION BOARD COMMENTS. WE HAVE OUR INTERNAL THING THAT WE'RE PUTTING COMMENTS INTO, SO WE SHOULD BE DONE BY SEPTEMBER 26. THAT WOULD ALLOW TIME TO REVISE THE DRAFT PLAN WITH THESE CHANGES OR TWEAKS MORE THAN ANYTHING AND GIVE YOU WHICH SHOULD BE A FINAL VERSION PRETTY MUCH ON OCTOBER 22ND. THAT WOULD BE YOUR TENTATIVE FINAL REVIEW WHERE YOU HAVE THE JOINT WORK SESSION. THAT'S YOUR CHANCE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD TOGETHER TO AGREE OR DISAGREE THAT IT'S READY TO GO TO PUBLIC HEARINGS. YOU COULD ASK FOR ANY FINAL CHANGES AT THAT POINT, TOO. BUT YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO MAKE ANY MAJOR CHANGES SINCE YOU'RE SO CLOSE TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, THAT WOULD CHANGE THE PROCESS. IF YOU NEED TO, THEN YOU NEED TO, BUT THE PROCESS WOULD CHANGE A BIT AS A RESULT. THEN IF YOU ARE READY TO PROCEED TO PUBLIC HEARINGS IN OCTOBER, THEN YOU'VE GOT A PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE PLANING COMMISSION IN NOVEMBER AND THEN A BOARD HEARING IN DECEMBER. THEN TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT THINGS, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE COUNTY CODE UPDATES, AND I THINK THAT WOULD GO 2-3 YEARS AFTER THAT. PLANNING DEPARTMENT STAFF IS GOING TO REPORT TO YOU IN SEPTEMBER ON A PLAN FOR HOW TO GO ABOUT THAT. >> IDEALLY BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY SEEN IT ON FACEBOOK, IF THERE'S ANY CITIZENS THAT HAVE CONCERNS, YOUR PREFERRED METHOD BETWEEN NOW AND THOSE MEETINGS IS TO USE THAT PUBLIC COMMENT? >> CORRECT. >> SUBMISSION. I KNOW I'VE SEEN PEOPLE SAYING TO REACH OUT TO US, BUT I WOULD PREFER TO SEE IT GO THROUGH THE COMMENT THING, AND YOU'RE COLLECTING ALL OF THAT. >> EXACTLY. >> THEN YOU CAN SHARE THAT WITH ALL OF US INSTEAD OF ONE OR TWO OFF CONVERSATIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. >> YES, SIR. THE LINK TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT FORM, [01:30:02] IT'S JUST A WEB PAGE WITH A FORM ON IT. WHEN PEOPLE FILL THAT OUT, IT GOES ONTO A SPREADSHEET THAT THE BERKELEY GROUP IS KEEPING TRACK OF. ALL COMMENTS WILL BE SAVED. WE CAN PROVIDE THAT IF YOU ASK. >> NO, WILL THERE BE A PLACE WHERE THE CITIZENS CAN SEE WHAT COMMENTS HAVE BEEN POSTED SO FAR? I THINK THAT WOULD KEEP FROM HAVING A BUNCH OF DUPLICATE COMMENTS ON THE SAME THING, BUT I JUST THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO COLLECT IT AND IT'S GOING TO BE CAPTURED THAT EASY, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD POST THAT SOMEWHERE ON OUR WEBSITE OR SOMETHING WHERE FOLKS GONE AND ONGOING, IF YOU SAID, WE'RE GOING TO UPDATE IT TWICE A WEEK OR WHATEVER OR ONCE A WEEK, AT LEAST PEOPLE WOULD KNOW THAT, AND THEY CAN GO OUT AND SEE WHAT OTHER THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE PUT OUT THERE AS COMMENTS. >> WE'LL TALK WITH THE CONSULTANT ABOUT THAT. >> MR. CHAIR, A QUICK QUESTION. >> I KNOW THE PIGGY BACK OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. >> IS THERE A WAY TO WHERE IF SOMEBODY PUT SOMETHING THAT IF THERE'S 50 PEOPLE THAT AGREE WITH IT, THEY CAN CLICK A BOX? THE ONLY REASON I'M ASKING IS IF YOU GET ONE PERSON THAT COMMENTS AND SAYS, I DON'T LIKE SOMETHING, AND SOMEBODY ELSE LOOKS AT IT AND GOES. >> SOMETHING TOTALLY OPPOSITE. >> WELL, WE WOULD SAY SOMETHING TOTALLY OPPOSITE, BUT THE OTHER THING IS, YOU GOT 50 OTHER PEOPLE TO GO, I AGREE WITH THEM, BUT THEN THEY DON'T VOICE THEIR OPINION, THEN IT MIGHT ONLY BE ONE PERSON OR IT MIGHT BE A PERCENTAGE. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WILL BE. >> I THINK YOU'RE DESCRIBING A FORUM OR SIMILAR THING WHERE YOU HAVE CONVERSATIONS ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR THINGS LIKE THAT, WHERE PEOPLE CAN SAY WHAT THEY WANT, AND THEN THERE'S RESPONSE TO THAT. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT SET UP. IT WOULD TAKE SOME MORE INFRASTRUCTURE TO DO THAT. >> I THINK WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, EXCUSE ME, BUT JUST LIKE A THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN. LIKE HE SAID, IF SOMEBODY LIKES IT, THEY HIT A THUMBS UP, AND THEN YOU GET A 22, 25, 50 PEOPLE THAT LIKE IT. >> OR A SURVEY DOES THE SAME THING. WE COULD FIND A WAY TO THINK ABOUT THAT. AGAIN, THAT'S AN IT THING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO CREATE TO DO THAT THING. >> CAN WE CHECK WITH BERKELEY GROUP AND SEE? >> YES. >> SURE, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT THE ONLY PERSON THAT'S EVER ASKED FOR SOMETHING. THEY MAY HAVE SOME OTHER CREATIVE WAY THAT WE JUST AREN'T AWARE OF. THEN IF THEY NEED TO WORK WITH OUR IT GROUP, THEN MAYBE WE CAN DO THAT IN A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT, BUT I'D POSE IT TO THEM FIRST JUST TO SEE IF THEY'VE EVER DONE ANYTHING LIKE THAT. >> MY THING IS IT HELPS ME MAKE A DECISION IF I'VE GOT 10,000 PEOPLE THAT WANT TO DO SOMETHING AND ONE THAT DOESN'T. >> THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE CLEAR MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY WANT OR LIKE OR APPROVE OF. >> WE'LL TALK WITH THE CONSULTANT ABOUT IT. >> THAT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA, FOR SURE. >> THAT WAS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD. I WANTED TO BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY SEEN THE COMMENTS ONLINE ABOUT REACH OUT TO YOUR BOARD OF SUPERVISOR. I DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO GET LOST. WHAT IF SOMEONE CALLS, AND I DON'T PASS IT ON OR I'M DELAYED? I'D RATHER IT ALL GOES INTO ONE BIG COLLECTIVE BUCKET. WE, AS WELL, CAN HAVE VISIBILITY TO THAT TO SEE WHAT'S COMING IN AS THE COMMENTS. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON NEXT STEPS? >> I JUST GOT A COMMENT. >> WE'RE ALL GOOD SO FAR. >> YES, SIR. >> NEXT ONE. >> ALL RIGHT, SIR. >> I GOT A COMMENT. >> YOU HAVE A COMMENT. GO AHEAD, MR. WEBB. >> I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY, BUT FOR MYSELF, I THINK Y'ALL DID A HELL OF A GOOD JOB. I NOTICED A LOT OF WORK WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT. THIS THING'S BEEN UP AND DOWN FOR AT LEAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD. I THINK YOU ALL HAVE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB PUTTING THIS TOGETHER, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE GET THE PUBLIC INPUT AND ALL. IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO TRYING TO SATISFY ALL THE NEEDS. THE RULE THING IS STILL GOING TO BE. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A GRAY AREA, AS FAR AS YOU CAN DEFINITIVELY DEFINE WHAT'S RULE VERSUS WHAT'S NOT. IT'S EVERYTHING SUBJECT TO CHANGE. TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WE COULD FIND OUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MODIFY SOMETHING BECAUSE IT'S NOT FITTING. >> OR SOMETHING CAME ALONG AND TOTALLY CHANGED WHAT WE'RE DOING OR HOW WE'RE DOING IT IN, LIKE THE CASINO COMES IN. >> THEY CHANGE THE RULES AND THEY CHANGE IT ALL. >> THAT'S WHY YOU REVIEW AND YOU UPDATE. >> EXACTLY. >> BUT THAT'S WHY I LIKE THE REGULAR REVIEWS, INSTEAD. I THINK IF YOU HEAR FIVE, YOU JUST TUCK IT AWAY EVERY YEAR. IT'S OKAY. IT'S GOOD. >> IT'S CLEAR THAT WAS. NOW, I HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. >> NOW, IT'S FIVE YEARS LATER. WELL, THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK Y'ALL. >> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. >> BOARD MEMBERS, I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR TONIGHT ON THIS WORK SESSION. I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT, PLEASE? >> MOVE. >> SECOND. >> IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. COX, AND IT WAS SECOND BY MR. PUGH THAT WE WOULD ADJOURN AT THIS TIME. MISS KNOT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? >> MR. COX. >> YES. >> MR. PUGH. [01:35:01] >> YES. >> MR. WEBB? >> YES. >> MR. BROWN? >> YES. >> MISSES WAYMACK. >> YES. >> MEETING ADJOURN. >> THANK Y'ALL. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.