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>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. TODAY IS AUGUST THE 12TH.
[A. Call to Order (6:00 pm)]
IT IS NOW 6:00 PM.IT IS TIME FOR OUR REGULAR BOARD MEETING FOR TONIGHT.
WE DO NOT HAVE ANY REQUESTS FOR ELECTRONIC PARTICIPATION BECAUSE ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE HERE.
NEXT, WE'LL GO INTO MRS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> THE NEXT THING THAT WE'LL DO IS THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO ADOPT THE AGENDA AS IT HAS BEEN PRESENTED.
YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? MRS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS OUR CLOSED SESSION,
[B. Closed Session]
AND I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR CLOSED SESSION. WE HAVE.>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE HAVE A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO VIRGINIA CODE 2.23711A1 FOR THE DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION OF AN APPOINTMENT TO THE APPOMATTOX REGIONAL LIBRARY FOR MINIMUM TERM, AN APPOINTMENT TO THE SOCIAL SERVICES ADVISORY BOARD, AND THREE APPOINTMENTS TO THE SIP COMMITTEE FOR A ONE YEAR TERM.
>> IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECOND FOR US TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION BASED ON THE MOTION THAT WAS READ BY MRS. WAYMACK JUST A MINUTE AGO.
YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? MRS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE WILL BE IN CLOSED SESSION.
IT SHOULDN'T BE, BUT JUST A FEW MINUTES, AND WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE BOARD HAS RETURNED FROM OUR CLOSED SESSION.
AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR CERTIFICATION OF OUR CLOSED SESSION, PLEASE.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RECONVENE IN OPEN SESSION AND CERTIFY THAT ONLY THE MATTERS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION TO GO IN A CLOSED MEETING WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED OR CONSIDERED.
>> IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. PUGH, AND I'M GOING TO GO WITH MRS. WAYMACK.
IT WAS SECOND BY MRS. WAYMACK THAT WE WOULD RECONVENE AND CERTIFY THE CLOSED SESSION BASED ON WHAT MR. PUGH READ DURING THE MOTION.
YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? MRS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THAT MOTION HAS CARRIED.
WE ARE NOW MOVING ON TO THE BOARD'S INVOCATION.
[C. Business Meeting]
I WILL ASK MRS. WAYMACK IF SHE WOULD DO THE BOARD'S INVOCATION.I WOULD ASK THAT MR. COX WOULD DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE.
>> OUR DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR OUR MANY BLESSINGS.
YOU HAVE SPARED US FROM WEATHERS DISASTERS AND KEPT US PROTECTED FROM MANY INCIDENTS.
FATHER, BE WITH THOSE WHO MOURN, COMFORT THEM.
BE WITH THOSE WHO ARE SICK IN MIND, BODY, OR SPIRIT, HEAL THEM.
FATHER, BE WITH THIS BOARD AND HELP US TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT IN OUR QUEST TO CARE FOR THE CITIZENS AND COUNTY OF PRINCE GEORGE.
IN YOUR HOLY NAME, WE PRAY. AMEN.
>> THANK YOU TO MRS. WAYMACK FOR DOING THE BOARD'S INVOCATION, AND THANK YOU TO MR. COX FOR DOING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT IS NOW PUBLIC COMMENT TIME.
DURING THIS PERIOD, YOU CAN COME FORWARD.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
YOU GIVE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS.
REMEMBER, THE STIPULATION IS YOU EITHER HAVE TO BE A RESIDENT OF THIS COUNTY OR OWN PROPERTY IN THIS COUNTY, ACCORDING TO THE BYLAWS.
AGAIN, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES, IS TO BRING SOMETHING TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BOARD.
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THE ONLY THING THAT WE ASK THAT YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT AT THIS TIME IS ANYTHING THAT'S ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT FOR PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE THERE WILL BE THE RESPECTIVE TIME SET ASIDE TO ALLOW FOR THAT INPUT.LET ME FIRST GO TO MRS. PUTLOW.
IS THERE ANYONE VIRTUALLY ON THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
>> CHAIRMAN BROWN, THERE IS NOT.
>> THANK YOU. MRS. KNOTT, IS THERE ANYONE THAT HAS SIGNED UP WITH YOU FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. IS THERE ANYONE SITTING HERE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD DURING THIS TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
>> RICK TETERTON, 9750 BLACKWATER FARM LANE, TOWN OF VIRGINIA.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK, A LOT OF CHATTER ABOUT TAXES AND WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH THE TAXES IN THIS COUNTY, AND I'LL JUST BE VERY UPFRONT.
BUT I DO THINK THERE ARE SOME MISUNDERSTANDINGS OR THINGS THAT ARE MISGUIDED WITH THE CITIZENS, AND I'VE SPOKEN ABOUT IT A FEW TIMES, BUT I'M GOING TO BRING UP SOMETHING I HEARD THE OTHER DAY ABOUT A PROJECT WE HAD LOOKED AT AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO APPROVE FOR 2023 THAT WAS SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $30 MILLION, 35 MILLION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
NOW WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE HAVE TO GO FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT, AND I BELIEVE THE NEW COSTS ARE COMING UP IN TWO YEARS AT OVER $100 MILLION.
THAT'S 65, $70 MILLION MORE BECAUSE WE HESITATED TO MOVE FORWARD ON A PROJECT, NOT BLAMING A SINGLE PERSON HERE.
I SAID IN 2005 WHEN I WAS HANDILY DEFEATED WHEN I RAN FOR YOU-ALL'S OFFICE THAT IF WE DO NOT PAY NOW TO DO THE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING, WE WOULD PAY AT LEAST DOUBLE FOR THOSE SAME THINGS IN THE FUTURE.
ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WON THAT ELECTION CAME IN HERE, I STILL REMEMBER AT THE VERY FIRST MEETING, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EQUALIZATION RATES MUCH LIKE YOU-ALL RECENTLY DID.
I THINK THE EQUALIZATION RATE WAS SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $0.83 BACK THEN.
IT WAS JUST USE IT AS A NUMBER.
VERY EXCITEDLY, HE RAISED HIS HAND AND I'M GOING TO GO ON RECORD.
I WON'T NAME HIM, BUT HE WAS DUMB AS A BOX OF ROCKS AND HE WAS USED AS A PAWN BY ANOTHER MEMBER.
HE RAISED HIS HAND AND HE SAID, I THINK WE SHOULD GO FOR $0.80 ON OUR RATE.
HE ACTUALLY DROPPED IT $0.03 BELOW WHAT THE EQUALIZATION WAS.
NOW, WHAT DID THAT DO FOR US, THAT PUT US IN DEBT, THAT DROPPED OUR BOND RATING.
THAT MEANT WE PAID MORE MONEY.
TO THE PEOPLE WHO KEEP SAYING, DON'T BLAME FORMER BOARDS, I CAN'T HELP BUT BLAME SOME FORMER BOARDS, AND THAT'S WHY I'VE BECOME SO VOCAL ABOUT SPEAKING TO EVERYBODY HERE.
SOMETIMES BEING A CONSERVATIVE MEANS KNOWING WHEN TO SPEND THE MONEY, NOT SPENDING THE MONEY.
HAD WE SPENT THE MONEY BACK THEN THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SPENT, THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR THE INCREASE IN TAXES THAT WE'VE HAD NOW.
IT WAS NOT THE RIGHT MOVE THEN, AND I WANT TO APPLAUD THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED TO HOLD STEADY TO MAKE CERTAIN WE HAD THE FUNDS TO GO THROUGH WITH WHAT WE NEED TO GO THROUGH IN THIS COUNTY FOR THIS YEAR.
I'M NOT EXCITED. I'M PAYING $1,500 MORE IN TAXES NEXT YEAR.
I'M NOT EXCITED AT ALL ABOUT THAT.
BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IF WE DON'T DO WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO NOW, IF WE DON'T HANDLE THESE THINGS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME DISCUSSION IN FOUR MORE YEARS.
THEN IN EIGHT MORE YEARS, AND WE'RE GOING TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, AND OUR CHILDREN ARE GOING TO PAY 4-5 TIMES MORE THAN WHAT IT WOULD COST US TO DO THE RIGHT THING RIGHT NOW.
WHEN YOU-ALL ARE LOOKING AT THESE PROJECTS, DO I THINK WE COULD CUT SOME THINGS? THERE'S EMPLOYEES THAT NOT SPECIFIC PEOPLE, BUT THERE'S PLACES WHERE WE COULD CUT SOME EMPLOYMENT IN THIS COUNTY, I THINK.
I'M NOT EXCITED ABOUT SAYING IT.
THERE'S OTHER PLACES THAT WE COULD MAKE A FEW CUTS.
BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE THINGS THIS COUNTY NEEDS, THE RIGHT DECISION WAS MADE TO EQUALIZE THAT THE OTHER NIGHT. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU SIR. IT NEEDS TO SLIDE OVER SOME MORE. THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK AT THIS TIME? IF SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
I SEE NO ONE ELSE HEADED THIS WAY.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, AND WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE CONSENSUS AGENDA.
[D. Consent Agenda]
BOARD MEMBERS, THERE ARE THREE ITEMS ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA.AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION, PLEASE.
>> IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. COX, AND IT WAS SECONDED BY MR. PUGH THAT THE BOARD WOULD APPROVE THE THREE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? MRS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
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>> MOTION CARRY. WE'LL NOW MOVE DOWN TO COMMENTS,
[E. Comments]
AND WE'LL START WITH SUPERVISOR COMMENTS, AND I WILL START TO MY FAR LEFT WITH MR. COX.>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. THANK YOU-ALL FOR COMING OUT.
I'M GOING TO BE BRIEF TONIGHT. SOMETIMES THE GOOD NEWS DOESN'T GET OUT LIKE IT SHOULD, SO I WANTED TO MAKE THIS KNOWN TONIGHT.
WE HIRED A NEW MANAGER FOR ANIMAL CONTROL, MR. LEINBERGER, AND UNBEKNOWNST TO HIM TWO WEEKS NOW AFTER HE CAME IN, WE HAD AN UNANNOUNCED VISIT FROM THE STATE VETERINARY OFFICE.
MY HATS OFF TO THEM, HOW THEY'VE TURNED EVERYTHING AROUND.
HOPE WE CAN CONTINUE THAT PROCESS.
>> THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO ONE OF OUR OWN.
MR. GREG SIMS SUFFERED SOME HARD ISSUES, WHICH HE'S DOING WELL FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, SO I WISH HIM A SPEEDY RECOVERY.
WE KEEP IT SHORT. WE'VE GOT A LONG MEETING.
I WANT TO CONGRATULATE ALL OF THE NEW PROMOTED EMPLOYEES THAT WE'VE HAD, IF YOU SEE THEM OUT, CONGRATULATE THEM AND WAS WELL DESERVED FOR A LOT OF THEM.
I DIDN'T VOTE FOR SOME OF THEM, BUT IT WASN'T THAT FACT THAT IT WASN'T WARRANTED.
I WANT TO CONGRATULATE THEM AND THEN THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. MRS. WAYMACK.
>> THANK YOU. I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE HAVE SOME HURRICANES OUT THERE MAKING UP.
BE SURE TO FOLLOW ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE AUTHORITIES ON HOW TO BE PREPARED AND REALIZE THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GET ONE.
WE'LL BE LUCKY IF WE DON'T GET ANY.
>> THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO SAY TO EACH AND EVERY PERSON, THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT.
IT'S BEEN A LITTLE HECTIC FOR ME.
MY MOM FELL ON SATURDAY AND BROKE HER ARM.
WE ACTUALLY TOOK HER TO ORTHO VIRGINIA TODAY, AND THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO SEE IF IT'LL HEAL ON ITS OWN BECAUSE, SHE'LL BE 90 IN DECEMBER, AND THEY REALLY DON'T WANT TO DO THE OPERATION ON HER BECAUSE OF HER AGE.
JUST PRAY FOR HER, PRAY FOR OUR FAMILY.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY, THANK YOU, BECAUSE WE HAVE HIRED AN ASSISTANT ATTORNEY.
I WOULD ASK HER TO STAND IF SHE WOULD.
I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T TELL YOU THAT.
I WAS GOING TO DO IT UP FRONT.
SHE HAS BEEN WITH US SINCE AUGUST THE 1ST.
SHE WAS THE ASSISTANT COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY.
SHE HAS NOW JOINED US ON I'M GOING TO SAY THIS SIDE OF THE RIVER.
I JUST WANT TO SAY TO YOU, WELCOME.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.
WE ALSO HAVE WITH US TONIGHT FROM SANDS ANDERSON, MR. STEFAN IS CARLOS. YES, SIR.
HE'S HERE TONIGHT AS PART OF THE LEGAL TEAM THAT IS HELPING US THROUGH A LOT OF THIS TRANSITION.
WE WELCOME HIM HERE TONIGHT TO KEEP US ON POINT, MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THINGS AS WE SHOULD BE.
IF NOT, HE'LL GIVE ME THAT LOOK, AND I'LL STRAIGHTEN UP.
THANK YOU, SIR. THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAVE FOR TONIGHT, SO I'LL NOW MOVE ON TO MR. STOKE, OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. A COUPLE OF DATES.
THERE IS A GRAND OPENING TOMORROW AT THE LINGERFELT GROUPS TRIPOINT DISTRIBUTION CENTER AT 51 60 CHUDOBA PARKWAY, BEGINNING AT 11:00 AM.
THIS IS A PRIVATE COMPANY THAT HAS BUILT A SPECULATIVE BUILDING TO EITHER SELL OR LEASE TO A FUTURE USER.
ALSO THE PRINCE GEORGE FARMERS MARKET IS THIS SATURDAY AT SCOTT PARK, BEGINNING AT 9:00 UNTIL 1:00.
MESSAGE FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THE DRAFT OF THE PG 2045 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW.
YOU CAN FIND IT ON THE WEBSITE.
TOMORROW NIGHT, RIGHT HERE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL HOLD A WORK SESSION AT 5:30, WHERE STAFF WILL BE GIVING A PRESENTATION.
THEN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL BE IN HERE THURSDAY THE 14TH AT 6:00 P.M WHERE PLANNING STAFF WILL PROVIDE AN UPDATE AND A PRESENTATION ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS SCHEDULING TWO PUBLIC OPEN HOUSES FOR CITIZENS TO COME IN, PROVIDE INPUT.
ONE IS WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 10TH AT THE PRINCE GEORGE LIBRARY AT 5:30 PM.
ONE IS SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 13TH AT THE DISPUTANTA COMMUNITY CENTER AT 1:00 P.M. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,
[F. Public Hearings]
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IS NOW TIME FOR US TO MOVE TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND WE HAVE ON TAP TONIGHT, I THINK WE HAVE FOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.THE FIRST ONE, WHICH IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION NUMBER SC 250001, AND THIS IS A REQUEST TO PERMIT A HOME, PROFESSIONAL, AND TRADE OFFICE WITHIN AN A1 GENERAL AGRICULTURE ZONING DISTRICT.
THIS WAS MR. JACK GREENSTEIN. HOW ARE YOU, SIR?
>> GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN BROWN, VICE CHAIR WAYMACK, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND MR. STOKE.
>> THERE WE GO. TONIGHT, I'M PRESENTING SPECIAL EXCEPTION SE-25-0001.
THE APPLICANT FOR THIS REQUEST IS DAWN GARCIA, AND SHE'S ALSO THE PROPERTY OWNER.
THIS REQUEST IS TO PERMIT A PROFESSIONAL AND TRADE OFFICE WITHIN AN A-1 ZONING DISTRICT IN ORDER TO ALLOW A JEWELRY DESIGN STUDIO OUT OF AN ACCESSORY BUILDING.
THE PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 7.8 ACRES IN SIZE, LOCATED AT 9017 HOLLYWOOD DRIVE.
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INDICATES THE PROPERTY'S PLAN FOR AGRICULTURE USES.
HERE'S JUST A LOCATION MAP SHOWING THE BLUE HIGHLIGHTED AREAS IS THE PROPERTY BY HOLLYWOOD DRIVE AND POLE RUN ROAD, AND A ZOOMED IN SATELLITE VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.
IT DOES HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE ON IT.
THEN THE ZONING MAP INDICATING A-1 WAS SURROUNDING ZONING IS ALSO BEING A-1, AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INDICATING AGRICULTURE WAS SURROUNDING AGRICULTURE PLAN.
[NOISE] AGAIN, TO JUST SUMMARIZE THE REQUEST, IT'S A HOME PROFESSIONAL AND TRADE OFFICE.
THAT'S THE TERM IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THERE IS A DEFINITION FOR THAT, WHICH REALLY JUST HIGHLIGHTS A BUSINESS OUT OF A HOUSE IN WHICH PEOPLE ARE HOSTED.
CLIENTS AND CUSTOMERS COME TO THE HOUSE.
THERE'S CERTAIN CONDITIONS THAT MUST BE ADDRESSED WITH SUCH A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, INCLUDING PARKING, EMPLOYEES SIGNAGE, AND HOURS OF OPERATION.
JUST TO CONTINUE WITH SOME OF THE KEY DETAILS OF THIS REQUEST.
IT'S FOR A BESPOKE JEWELRY DESIGN STUDIO THAT SPECIALIZES IN SILVER SMITHING, BEADING, AND WIRE WRAPPING TO TAKE PLACE IN 18 X 26 FOOT SHED BEHIND THE HOUSE, HOSTING 1-3 CUSTOMERS AT A TIME.
THIS ACTIVITY WOULD OFFER TOOL, RENTAL AND INSTRUCTIONAL CLASSES WITH ONLINE SALES, BUT SOME CUSTOMER VISITS.
PARKING IS TO BE ON THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS DISPLAYED IN THE SITE LAYOUT IN CONCEPTUAL MAP.
THERE'S AN IMAGE TO THE RIGHT OF THE ACTUAL BUILDING THAT THIS WOULD BE OUT OF.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION WAS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
THOSE CONDITIONS PERTAIN TO REQUIRED MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE, AS WELL AS APPOINTMENT ONLY CUSTOMER VISITS AND HOURS OF OPERATION, PARKING AND LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF EMPLOYEES ON SITE.
AS WELL AS OTHER CONDITIONS RELATED TO LIMITING NOISE PRODUCTION, AND THEN YOUR STANDARD CONDITIONS AS FAR AS ACHIEVING ALL NECESSARY STATE AND FEDERAL LICENSES, AND OBTAINING ALL NECESSARY BUSINESS LICENSES THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THOSE CONDITIONS WAS APPROVAL BY A 7-0 VOTE FOLLOWING PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE 26TH, AND THE REASON PROVIDED WAS COMPATIBILITY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SURROUNDING USES, AND ZONING DISTRICTS.
NO PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED FOR THIS REQUEST PRIOR TO THIS HEARING OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING.
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THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION ON THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION.I BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO INVITE THEM UP AND ASK ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
>> BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING UP FOR PUBLIC INPUT, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME UP AND HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY AT THIS TIME?
I LIVE AT 9017 HOLLYWOOD DRIVE.
WE'VE BEEN THERE JUST OVER A YEAR AND A HALF NOW.
I BUILT STUDIO AS I'M A GEMOLOGY GIA PERSON CERTIFIED.
I JUST WANTED TO PROMOTE JUST A MINOR BUSINESS MOSTLY WHEN I RETIRE FULLY, BUT JUST TO GIVE SOME COMMUNITY OUTREACH TO HELP YOUNG WOMEN OR MEN THAT WOULD LIKE TO LEARN HOW TO DO JEWELRY WORK WITHOUT HAVING TO GO ALL THE WAY UP INTO RICHMOND TO JUST DO SOME MINOR REPAIRS.
MOST OF MY WORK RIGHT NOW I DO IS ONLINE, AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH PROMOTED BY WORD OF MOUTH BECAUSE I DON'T INTEND TO GET TOO BUSY [LAUGHTER] BECAUSE I HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT I'M DOING.
BUT I HAVE A LOT OF TOOLS AND SOME HEAVY EQUIPMENT THAT JUST A REGULAR PERSON THAT'S WORKING FROM HOME WOULDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO GAIN.
THEY ARE LIKE THREE AND $4,000 PIECES OF EQUIPMENT.
IT'S JUST NICE TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT WITH PEOPLE THAT WANT TO LEARN THE TRADE AND MAYBE LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW JEWELRY IS BEING MADE.
I ALSO HAVE A LASER PRINTER AND A CAD PROGRAM.
THAT'S WHERE JEWELRY IS ADVANCING TO WITHOUT HAVING TO USE A BUNCH OF HEAVY EQUIPMENT ANYMORE.
JUST NICE TO BE ABLE TO SHARE WITHIN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT.
>> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR MR. GREENSTEIN?
>> IF THERE'S QUESTIONS THAT COME UP DURING THE PUBLIC INPUT, WE MAY BRING YOU BACK UP AFTER THAT, IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS RAISED BY THE CITIZENS.
>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AT THIS TIME, WE ARE NOW THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER 1 THAT WE'RE HAVING, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THIS UP FOR PUBLIC INPUT PORTION OF OUR PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE ON THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DURING THIS PUBLIC HEARING?
I'M TRYING TO PULL IT UP. I HAVE MY PHONE.
I'M ON THE ONLY APP ATTENDANT, SIR.
>> MS. KNOTT, IS THERE ANYONE THAT HAS SIGNED UP AHEAD OF TIME WITH YOU TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THOSE HERE IN THE ROOM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AT THIS TIME, YOU CAN SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION 25-0001.
THE SAME RULES AS DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
WE ASK THAT YOU COME UP, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND AT THAT TIME, THE CLOCK WOULD START AS FAR AS TOWARDS YOUR THREE MINUTES.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME? I'LL ASK, AGAIN, IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME AT THIS TIME TO SPEAK ON THIS 25-0001 PUBLIC HEARING ITEM.
I SEE NO ONE MOVING THIS WAY OR COMING TO THE PODIUM.
I WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC INPUT PORTION OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION, AND I WILL NOW RETURN THE MATTER BACK OVER TO OUR BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION.
>> CHAIRMAN IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTION, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
>> IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. COX, AND SECOND BY MR. WEBB, THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION, GRANTING THE PERMIT OF A HOME PROFESSION BUILDING IN THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION, REQUEST 25-0001.
YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION? IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT, MS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
>> YES. I DO NEED TO MAKE A CORRECTION HERE, THOUGH, BECAUSE THIS APPROVAL IS WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP.
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I WILL GO BACK AND ASK IF I'M IN ORDER.>> I WOULD GO BACK AND ASK YOU, MR. COX, IF YOU WOULD MODIFY YOUR MOTION TO ALSO ACCEPT THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE PART OF WHAT THEY PRESENTED TO US.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT OR TO APPROVE WITH THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE IN THE SPECIFIED IN THE PLANNING THING.
>> THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND THAT GOT BY ME, WAS TO APPROVE THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION, BUT IT'S APPROVED WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE PART OF THE PRESENTATION THAT WE RECEIVED TONIGHT.
AGAIN, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE MOTION? IF NOT, I WOULD ASK MS. KNOTT TO PLEASE CALL THE ROLL AGAIN.
>> MOTION CARRYING. THANK YOU GUYS FOR WORKING WITH ME ON THAT ONE.
I'M JUST GOT TO TURN MY LAPTOP BACK ON.
THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING WE HAVE IS SPECIAL EXCEPTION 25-0002, WHICH IS A REQUEST TO PERMIT A RETAIL SALE OF FIREARMS WITHIN AN A-1 ZONING DISTRICT, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE PRESENTED AGAIN BY MR. JACK GREENSTEIN.
THIS IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION SE-25-0002 TO PERMIT RETAIL SALE OF FIREARMS IN A-1, GENERAL AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT. IN THE PURPOSE. [OVERLAPPING].
>> CAN I JUST STOP YOU FOR ONE SECOND, SIR?
>> BECAUSE THERE WAS SOMETHING I NEED TO DO BEFORE YOU PRESENTED THAT.
BOARD MEMBERS, THERE WAS A REQUEST TONIGHT FROM SEVERAL CITIZENS FOR US TO ALLOW INPUT ON THIS TONIGHT. NO, THAT WAS ANOTHER.
>> THAT WAS ANOTHER ITEM. I'M SORRY.
IS SO MUCH GOING ON. GO AHEAD, SIR.
>> NO WORRIES. THIS REQUEST IS TO ALLOW FIREARM SALES OUT OF THE ATTACHED GARAGE IN A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.
THE APPLICANT IS DANIEL MILLS, AND HE'S ALSO THE PROPERTY OWNER.
THIS PROPERTY IS A LITTLE OVER TWO ACRES IN SIZE, LOCATED AT 8089 HINES ROAD.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INDICATES THE PROPERTY'S PLANNED FOR AGRICULTURE USES.
THIS IS JUST THE LOCATION MAP, AND THE TOP RIGHT SHOWS THE RED DOT IS IT'S LOCATION IN COMPARISON WITH THE REST OF THE COUNTY.
THIS IS A CLOSER IN SATELLITE VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.
IT IS IN THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA.
HERE'S THE ZONING MAP, WHICH INDICATES A-1 GENERAL AGRICULTURE FOR THIS PROPERTY, AS WELL AS SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, AND THE FUTURE AND MAP FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INDICATING AGRICULTURE FOR THIS PROPERTY, AS WELL AS SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
HERE WE GO. [LAUGHTER] TO SUMMARIZE THIS REQUEST, THE LAND USE IS RETAIL SALE OF FIREARMS PURSUANT TO SECTION 90-5350, AND THAT IS FOR FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSE TRANSFERS OUT OF AN ATTACHED GARAGE.
BECAUSE THERE'S NO DEFINITION FOR THIS LAND USE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
ONE IS ESTABLISHED IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
THEN SOME KEY DETAILS ABOUT THE REQUEST IS THAT THE APPLICANT ESTIMATES 10 TRANSFERS A WEEK WITH ONE PERSON AT A TIME.
PARKING IS TO OCCUR IN THE EXISTING CONCRETE DRIVEWAY.
NO ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS TO BE BUILT.
THIS IS PLANNED TO BE OUT OF THE ATTACHED GARAGE TO THE HOUSE.
THE HOURS ARE STATED THERE, AS WELL AS ALL TRANSFERS TO OCCUR INDOORS.
THIS IS JUST AN AERIAL IMAGE SHOWING THAT THE PARKING WOULD BE IN THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY THERE.
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THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.I WON'T GO THROUGH READING ALL OF THEM, BUT THEY HAVE TO DO WITH SIGNAGE, AS WELL AS PARKING, HOURS OF OPERATION AND LIMITING EMPLOYEES, AS WELL AS LIMITING THE TRANSFERS TO OCCUR INDOORS.
THEN YOUR TYPICAL SPECIAL EXCEPTION CONDITIONS HAVING TO DO WITH COMPLYING WITH ALL THE ZONING AND STATE AND LOCAL STANDARDS.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION WAS APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS BY A 7-0 VOTE FOLLOWING PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE 26TH.
SINCE THIS PRESENTATION WAS MADE, WE DID RECEIVE ONE COMMENT FROM DAVID RODRIGUEZ IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST, AND THAT WAS FORWARDED FROM OUR DEPARTMENT TO THE BOARD CLERK.
THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT SHOWN ON THE SLIDE, AND NO COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING.
THAT CONCLUDES THAT PRESENTATION FOR THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION, SE-25-0002.
>> WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING AT THIS TIME OR NOT.
BOARD MEMBERS, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR MR. GREENSTEIN?
THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY DISCHARGE, ANY FIREARMS ON SITE, JUST SALES?
>> MS. KNOTT, ARE THERE ANY LAST MINUTE COMMENTS THAT HAVE COME IN TO THE BOARD TO YOU?
>> DO YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE THE COMMENT THAT MR. GREENSTEIN SPOKE OF? IF YOU HAVE THAT AVAILABLE, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HEAR IT IF YOU DO HAVE A COMMENT, OR YOU DO HAVE A COPY OF THAT.
>> WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO BRING IT TO YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN OR DO YOU WANT ME TO READ IT?
>> IF YOU DON'T MIND COMING UP TO THE MIC AND READING THAT FOR US, PLEASE?
>> THIS IS FROM DAVID RODRIGUEZ THAT WAS SENT AT 4:02 PM TODAY. GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS DAVID RODRIGUEZ, AND I RESIDE AT 8100 HINES ROAD, DISPUTANTA.
THERE'S A MEETING THIS EVENING, WHICH I CANNOT ATTEND REGARDING MY NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET TRYING TO GET LICENSE TO SELL FIREARMS. I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS IN MANY WAYS.
FOR ONE, IT WILL BRING TO TOO MUCH TRAFFIC IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SECOND, IS A SAFETY CONCERN BEING WHERE RESIDING IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, AND THE RESPONSE TIME FOR THE POLICE IS NOT GOING TO BE QUICK IN THE EVENT HIS RESIDENCE GETS BROKEN INTO.
THIS MAY CAUSE THESE INDIVIDUALS TO GAIN ACCESS TO ANY RESIDENCE NEARBY.
THREE, IF HE WANTS TO SELL FIREARMS, HE SHOULD RENT A BUILDING LIKE ALL THE OTHER BUSINESSES.
AGAIN, I DO NOT SUPPORT MY NEIGHBOR SELLING FIREARMS FROM HIS RESIDENCE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME, AND HE INCLUDES SOME CONTACT INFORMATION.
>> THAT'S FINE. WE DON'T PUT THAT OUT THERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR UP FOR PUBLIC INPUT INTO THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION 25-0002, AND IT'S A REQUEST FOR US TO PERMIT RETAIL SALE OF FIREARMS WITHIN AN A1 ZONE.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT HAS JOINED YET THAT MAY WANT TO SPEAK?
>> CHAIRMAN BROWN, WE DO HAVE ONE PARTICIPANT.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL ASK IF HE'S HERE.
>> THAT'LL BE FINE. THANK YOU.
THIS IS KRISTEN PUTLOW WITH PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.
YOU'RE HERE WITH TEAMS FOR THE ELECTRONIC MEETING PARTICIPATION LINK.
I JUST WANTED TO ASK IF YOU WERE HERE FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FOR THE HEARING THAT WE ARE NOW OR FOR A LATER ITEM, SIR.
>> FOR LATER, IT'S THE [INAUDIBLE] PRESENTATION.
>> CHAIRMAN BROWN, THAT WAS OUR ONLY ATTENDANT.
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>> MRS. KNOTT, IS THERE ANYONE THAT HAS SIGNED UP WITH YOU TO SPEAK?
>> I WILL NOW ASK THE PUBLIC THAT'S HERE IN THE ROOM TONIGHT.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME? STILL FOLLOWING THE SAME RULES AS BEFORE.
YOU EITHER NEED TO BE A RESIDENT OR OWN LAND IN THE COUNTY, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC INPUT PORTION.
WERE YOU COMING UP? I'M SORRY.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC INPUT PORTION OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING AND RETURN THE MATTER BACK OVER TO THE BOARD.
MR. GREENSTEIN, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR.
ARE YOU AWARE OR IS YOUR DEPARTMENT AWARE OF ANY OTHER ALLOWANCES THAT WE'VE DONE OR SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS, OR ARE THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESSES HERE IN THE COUNTY OPERATING TO SELL RETAIL FIREARMS OUT OF A PRIVATE DWELLING?
>> THE MOST SIMILAR APPROVAL THAT I COULD FIND, AND OBVIOUSLY, IT'S HARD TO DO A COMPREHENSIVE SEARCH OF EVERYTHING, BUT WAS FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, THAT WAS SC9720, AND THAT WAS AT 9507 CEDAR LANE.
>> YEAH. I KIND OF THOUGHT WHEN YOU SAID 97 SOMETHING THAT WAS PROBABLY MEANING THE YEAR '97.
>> THAT WAS THE MOST RECENT ONE I COULD FIND RECORD OF.
THERE COULD HAVE BEEN ONE IN THOSE YEARS SINCE. I'M NOT SURE.
BOARD MEMBERS, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE?
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE WITH YOUR FORE MENTIONED CONDITIONS.
>> IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. COX AND SECOND BY MR. PUGH, THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION 25-0002, AND WOULD ALSO REQUEST FOR IT TO BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN STATED COMING TO US FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> STATEMENT? YES, SIR. GO AHEAD.
>> I'D LIKE THIS TO BE ADDED IN THE RECORD.
I HAVE WORKED WITH THIS GENTLEMAN AND HIS FATHER FOR NUMEROUS YEARS AT FELLOW MARS.
THAT'S WHY I'M ABSTAINING. TAKE A NOTE OF IT, PLEASE.
>> OKAY. MRS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
>> I'M THINKING. I'LL SAY YES.
>> MOTION CARRIED. THE THIRD ITEM WE HAVE FOR PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT IS A REZONING FOR RZ 25-0004.
THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY A LITTLE OVER 11.5 ACRES FROM R-1 TO R-A.
WE HAVE MR. GREENSTEIN, WHO'S GOING TO BE PRESENTING AGAIN.
>> GOOD EVENING AGAIN. THIS IS REZONING RZ-25-0004.
THE APPLICANT AND PROPERTY OWNER IS NATALIE JONES.
THIS REQUEST IS TO REZONE FROM R-1 LIMITED RESIDENTIAL TO R-A RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL.
THE INTENT BEHIND THIS REZONING REQUEST IS TO ALLOW A FAMILY SUBDIVISION, AND IT'S LOCATED AT 616 BIRDSONG ROAD.
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INDICATES THE PROPERTY IS PLANNED FOR RESIDENTIAL USES.
HERE'S THE LOCATION MAP, SHOWING WHERE THE PROPERTY IS ON BIRDSONG ROAD RIGHT AT THE BORDER OF CITY OF PETERSBURG AND A CLOSER IN SATELLITE VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.
THE ZONING MAP SURROUNDING R-1, AND FUTURE LAND USE MAP INDICATING RESIDENTIAL WITH SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL.
AGAIN, THIS REQUEST IS TO REZONE AN 11.5 ACRE PROPERTY
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FROM R-1 TO R-A IN ORDER TO CREATE A FAMILY SUBDIVISION.THE APPLICANT WISHES TO BUILD A HOUSE NEXT DOOR FOR HER 80-YEAR-OLD MOTHER VIA A FAMILY SUBDIVISION, AND THAT TYPE OF SUBDIVISION IS ONLY PERMITTED IN THE A-1 AND R-A ZONING DISTRICT.
IN R-1, IT'S NOT PERMITTED TO DO A FAMILY SUBDIVISION.
NO VOLUNTARY PROFFERS WERE SUBMITTED WITH THIS REZONING REQUEST AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY A 7-0 VOTE FOLLOWING PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE 26, FOR THE REASON PROVIDED, COMPATIBILITY WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SURROUNDING LAND USES AND SURROUNDING ZONING DISTRICTS.
THIS HEARING WAS ADVERTISED IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE CODE REQUIREMENTS, AND A SIGN WAS PLACED ON THE PROPERTY AND NO COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED PRIOR TO THIS HEARING OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT CONCLUDES THAT PRESENTATION ON THIS REZONING.
>> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. GREENSTEIN?
>> THE APPLICANT IS HERE, SIR?
>> WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING AT THIS TIME? YOU'RE NOT OBLIGATED, BUT.
>> MY NAME IS NATALIE JONES, AND I RESIDE AT 616 BIRDSONG ROAD WITH MY HUSBAND, AND WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR 14 YEARS NOW.
OF COURSE, AS WAS MENTIONED, MY MOTHER IS GETTING UP IN AGE.
SHE'S 80-YEARS-OLD, AND WE JUST WANTED TO BRING HER CLOSER SO THAT WE CAN TAKE CARE OF HER PROPERLY.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE MAKING THE REQUEST.
>> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT WHILE SHE'S HERE?
>> OKAY. WE MAY HAVE YOU COME BACK UP IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENT OR PUBLIC INPUT THAT REQUIRES AN ANSWER ON A QUESTION, OKAY? LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'M GOING TO OPEN THIS PUBLIC HEARING UP FOR PUBLIC INPUT.
THIS IS A REZONING 25-0004 CASE.
YOU'VE HEARD IT BEING EXPLAINED BY MR. GREENSTEIN.
I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY VIRTUAL.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE THAT HAS SIGNED UP AHEAD OF TIME?
>> ALL RIGHT. I WILL ASK IF ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE AT THIS TIME WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS REZONING CASE.
PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM 25-0004 AT THIS TIME DURING THIS PUBLIC HEARING INPUT PORTION? SEEING NO ONE MOVING THIS WAY, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC INPUT PORTION OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
I WILL RETURN THIS MATTER BACK OVER TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, AND BOARD MEMBERS, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE?
>> MR. BROWN, I MOVED WE APPROVE RZ-25-004, AS STATED.
>> IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. WEBB, AND SECOND BY MR. COX THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THIS REZONING RZ-25-0004, AND THIS WOULD BE TO ALLOW IT TO BE REZONED FROM R-1 TO R-A.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? MRS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
>> AS TO YOU, MA'AM. I COMMEND YOU FOR TAKING CARE OF YOUR MOTHER.
THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.
IT IS OA-25-SOLAR, AND THIS IS A REQUEST TO AMEND THE CODE OF THE COUNTY OF PRINCE GEORGE IN AMENDING THE SECTION OF CODE 90-53, 90-103, 90-393, 90-443, 90- 493, 90-542, AND 90-543. MR. GRAVES.
>> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN BROWN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND MR. STOKE. YOU JUST HEARD ALL THOSE CODE SECTIONS THAT YOU READ OUT LOUD.
THIS IS A REQUEST OF THE BOARD TO CHANGE THE COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE, TO CHANGE THOSE CODE SECTIONS, AND THE WHOLE POINT OF IT IS TO ALLOW SOLAR FACILITIES ONLY BY SPECIAL EXCEPTION IN THE M3 ZONING DISTRICT, SO THEY WOULDN'T BE ANY LONGER PERMITTED IN ANY OTHER ZONING DISTRICT.
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AS I MENTIONED, THIS WAS PREPARED AT THE REQUEST OF THE BOARD AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON YOUR REQUEST.THIS PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE BOARD HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED, AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
>> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. GRAVES? I THINK WE PROBABLY KNOW IT SINCE WE REQUESTED IT.
>> YEAH, A LONG TIME COMING. ALL RIGHT.
MRS. KNOTT, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING ITEM?
>> THE ONE WE HAD WAS NOT FOR THIS, RIGHT, MRS. PUTLOW?
>> OKAY. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN THIS PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT AND OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC INPUT PORTION OF OUR PUBLIC HEARING.
AT THIS TIME, YOU CAN COME FORWARD AND SPEAK.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND YOU CAN SAY WHETHER OR NOT YOU SUPPORT THIS OR DO NOT SUPPORT THIS.
BUT PLEASE COME UP AND SHARE YOUR INPUT.
>> YES, SIR. RICK TETERTON, 9750 BLACKWATER FARM LANE.
I THINK EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS I SUPPORT THIS 110%.
BUT I WAS SITTING BACK THERE THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING AS WE TALK ABOUT EXPENSES AND COSTS, AND WHAT CAME TO MY MIND WAS THE J.R. TUCKER HIGH SCHOOL.
I DON'T KNOW ALL THE INS AND OUTS.
BUT THE ENTIRE ROOF SYSTEM ON THAT SCHOOL IS A SOLAR PANEL.
IT'S ONE GIANT SERIES OF SOLAR PANELS.
MY QUESTION IS, DID THEY GET SOME SPECIAL CREDIT? DID SOMEBODY HELP PAY TO FUND AND BUILD THE SCHOOL? IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO GET MONEY TO APPLY TO OUR FUTURE HIGH SCHOOL THAT EVERYBODY KEEPS TALKING ABOUT, AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE COSTS ARE.
I'M A BIG ADVOCATE OF THINGS LIKE THIS WHEN WE DO SOMETHING SMART.
I THINK THESE THINGS SHOULD GO ON TOP OF FACTORIES.
I THINK THEY SHOULD GO ON TOP OF MALLS.
I THINK THEY SHOULD GO ON TOP OF MAYBE SHELTER AND PARKING LOTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT THEY SHOULD NEVER GO ON DESTROYING OUR CROP LANDS.
THAT'S COMING FROM SOMEBODY WHO HAD AN OFFER ON THE TABLE AND WAS WILLING TO ACCEPT IT BECAUSE OF THE MONEY AT ONE TIME.
BUT SINCE THEN, I'VE DONE SOME STUDYING, AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS I DON'T LIKE ABOUT SOLAR.
BEFORE WE PUT IT ON TOP OF A SCHOOL, BEFORE WE DO SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, I DO WANT TO KNOW THE INS AND OUTS OF THE SAFETY, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE TO REPAIR, REPLACE, REMOVE IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S GOING TO GET REALLY COSTLY.
BUT IF THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO GET FEDERAL DOLLARS, GET STATE DOLLARS, GET PRIVATE DOLLARS TO HELP US BUILD OUR SCHOOLS IN THE FUTURE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA ON ANY OF OUR GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS.
I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE AS A BUSINESS IDEA TO EVERYBODY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORTH AND SPEAK AT THIS TIME? I SEE NO ONE ELSE MOVING THIS WAY, SO I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC INPUT PORTION OF THIS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT AND RETURN THE MATTER BACK OVER TO THE BOARD.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE COMMENT, THOUGH.
THE WAY THE CODE CURRENTLY READ IS, THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN AN M3.
WE TOOK IT OUT OF THE OTHER ZONING AREAS, BUT WE SAID FOR M3, WE DIDN'T WANT IT TO BE A BUY RIGHT.
WE STILL WANTED IT TO BE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
WE WANT TO CHANGE IT TO BE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, WHICH MR. TETERTON, THAT WOULD GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT VERSUS IF IT WAS A BUY RIGHT, SOMEONE WOULD NOT HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD OR ANYONE TO DO IT IF THEY WERE IN AN M3 ZONE.
AN M3 CAN HAVE IT, BUT IT'S STILL GOT TO COME BEFORE AS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, LIKE THESE OTHER SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS CAME TO US TONIGHT, AND THE PERSON WOULD HAVE TO EXPLAIN AND JUSTIFY, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO WORK THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ON THAT TOPIC.
BOARD MEMBERS, ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? IF NOT, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE?
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE AS PRESENTED.
>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, I WOULDN'T IGNORE YOU.
OKAY. A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY MR. COX AND SECOND, BY MR. WEBB, THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THIS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT AS SO PRESENTED FOR THIS OA-25-SOLAR, WHICH IS AMENDING THOSE CODE SECTIONS THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER DURING THE INITIAL PRESENTATION.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? MRS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> MOTION CARRY. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,
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WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO THE REPORTS SECTION.[G. Reports]
THAT'S ALL THE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR TONIGHT.FIRST UP WILL BE MISS CRYSTAL SMITH FROM VEDA.
SORRY TO MAKE IT PAINFUL FOR YOU TO SIT THROUGH ALL THAT.
>> I'VE GOT QUITE A FEW UPDATES.
I'M GOING TO TRY TO RUN THROUGH THEM REALLY FAST.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU STILL HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO TONIGHT.
UNFORTUNATELY, SOME OF OUR STORM-DAMAGED AREAS ARE BEING DELAYED.
TEMPLETON ROAD, THAT DETOUR IS GOING TO BE EXTENDED A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN WE EXPECTED.
IN ANOTHER LOCALITY, WE HAD A STRUCTURE GO CRITICAL, SO THAT HAS TO TAKE PRIORITY, AND SOME OF THE STORM DAMAGE FOR THE DETOUR FOR THAT STRUCTURE ISN'T WANT US TO REPAIR.
THOSE REPAIRS ARE COMING FIRST.
WE'RE STILL HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN START ON TEMPLETON AROUND SEPTEMBER THE 5TH, IF WEATHER STAYS GOOD.
TEMPLETON WILL LIKELY TAKE ABOUT 5-6 WEEKS TO COMPLETE.
GRIFFIN ROAD, WE'VE REGROUPED ON THAT, AND I THINK THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT WITH STATE FORCES, SO WE'RE HOPEFUL TO GET STARTED ON THAT BEFORE THE END OF NEXT WEEK.
ROUTE 10, WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT FOR EXTENDING THE TURN LANE, AND OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS WENT OUT AND DID SOME SIGNAL ANALYSIS, AND THEY'VE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE SIGNALS, BUT THEY'RE STILL LOOKING AT THE DATA TO SEE IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL WORK THAT MIGHT BE WARRANTED THERE.
THAT'S AT THE LEFT TURN LANE FROM ROUTE 10 ONTO JORDAN POINT AND THE RIGHT TURN LANE ONTO ROUTE 10 FROM JORDAN POINT.
ADDITIONALLY, SONNY BROOK AT COLLEGE, THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING INTO THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS FOR THE TRUCK TRAFFIC.
I SHARED THAT THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS THAT THEY MAY BE TRYING TO BYPASS THE SCALES THERE.
THAT'S STILL UNDERWAY, AND AS SOON AS I GET RESULTS FOR THAT, I'LL LET THE BOARD KNOW.
BUTLER BRANCH ROAD, THERE'S BEEN SOME FLOODING THERE, AND CONCERNS SHARED ABOUT THE CONSTANT FLOODING.
THE FLOODING IS DUE TO BEAVERS.
WE WENT IN THERE AND WE GOT AGREEMENTS FROM MOST OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, WHICH IS CRITICAL TO THE TRAPPING, WOULD NOT SIGN.
UNFORTUNATELY, IF WE CANNOT GET THAT AGREEMENT, IT'S FUTILE TO MOVE FORWARD.
WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT, BUT I'LL KEEP THE BOARD UPDATED.
GOLF COURSE ROAD, I KNOW HAS BEEN A CONCERN FOR SEVERAL CITIZENS ABOUT THE PAVEMENT.
THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED FOR THE 27 PAVING SCHEDULE.
BETWEEN NOW AND 2027, WE WILL CONTINUE TO PATCH.
IT'LL GET A FULL TREATMENT IN 2027.
ADDITIONALLY, WEB ROAD AND LAUREL SPRINGS WERE PATCHED TODAY, SO THOSE ARE COMPLETE.
WE'RE ALSO COMPLETING OUR SECOND ROUND OF LITTER REMOVAL AND MOWING, AND THE NOBLES ROAD DITCHING, I'VE BEEN TOLD TODAY WAS COMPLETE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME OR ANY INFORMATION YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE TONIGHT?
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS SMITH?
>> I GOT YOUR EMAIL ON ROUTE 10 WITH THE ISSUE OF THE SIGHTING.
YOU THINK IT RELATED TO SPEED AS FAR AS SPEEDERS, OR DO YOU THINK WE NEED TO DO A SPEED STUDY?
>> NO. WE'VE DONE PREVIOUS SPEED STUDIES.
WE'VE ALSO DONE A STUDY ON THE PASSING LANE AT THE BRIDGE.
I THINK WHAT IT IS IS THE DISTANCE FROM THE ENTRANCE TO WHERE THE VEHICLES, IT'S HARD TO JUDGE THE SPEED.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY SPEEDING.
YOU REALLY HAVE TO HIT THE GAS TO GET OUT OF THE SUBDIVISION.
IF YOU'VE GOT DRIVERS THAT ARE PUTTING ON OUT INTO THE LANES THERE, IT'S GOING TO GET A LITTLE DICEY.
THAT'S MY PERSONAL FEELING FROM BEING OUT THERE AND WATCHING THE TRAFFIC.
WHEN IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO GO, YOU GOT TO GO ON AND GET ON OUT.
>> LET'S SEE. THE 711, THAT LOOKS GREAT.
BY THE WAY, I THINK SOMEBODY SPRAYED IT.
>> YOU CAN SEE COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE.
THE OTHER THING, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF PHONE CALLS, THE DOUBLE LINES ON HINES ROAD.
I THINK SOME PEOPLE WERE COMPLAINING, IS IT WIDE ENOUGH TO HAVE THE LINES?
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I GUESS PEOPLE ARE SCARED THEY'RE GOING TO GO INTO THE DITCH OR SOMETHING? HAVE YOU SEEN THAT OR GOTTEN ANYTHING?>> NO, SIR. FROM WHERE TO WHERE WERE THEY?
I GUESS THEY PUT DOUBLE LINES SOMEWHERE IN THAT.
>> IT RUNS FROM NEWELL STORE, THAT INTERSECTION. TO ROUTE 10.
I WENT THROUGH THIS ABOUT A YEAR AGO, BECAUSE THAT ROAD IS AT LEAST 18 FEET 2 " WIDE.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, CRYSTAL.
>> I THINK THAT WAS A REQUEST.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY A REQUEST TO MARK IT.
WE WENT OUT AND DID AN INVESTIGATION AND CHECKED THE WARRANTS, AND IT WAS WARRANTED FOR THE MARKINGS.
>> GOING THE OTHER WAY, IT DOESN'T MEET THE STANDARDS. NOT AS WIDE.
>> I'LL RELAY THAT TO THE CITIZENS THAT REACHED OUT.
THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. THANK YOU.
>> JUST A COMMENT. NOT NEGATIVE. NOT POSITIVE, EITHER.
I KNOW YOU ALL SPENT A LOT OF MONEY AND TIME TO MILL THAT ROAD ON ROUTE 10 [INAUDIBLE] CREEK BRIDGE.
AT LEAST THEY DID IT WITHOUT ANY BUMPS IN BETWEEN STARTING TO STOP IN THE PAPER, BUT YOU STILL GOT A BUMP AND A RIGHT HAND TWIST THAT THROWS YOU TO THE RIGHT WHEN YOU HIT IT.
THEY MIGHT HAVE SHOULD HAVE GONE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER UP HILL A LITTLE BIT TO GET OVER THAT KNOLL BEFORE HE TRIED TO CUT IT OFF WHERE HE DID.
I KNOW YOU'RE DOING BECAUSE THE ROAD'S GOING TO SINK AGAIN.
I THINK IT'S BEEN SUNK FOUR TIMES, AND I CAN REMEMBER IN THE LAST 15 YEARS.
>> I'LL CHECK IT OUT. I'LL CHECK IT OUT, SEE WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT CERTAINLY WE'LL HAVE TO PAVE AGAIN IN A FEW MONTHS, AND WE CAN ADDRESS THAT THEN PROBABLY.
>> WRITE IT IN A DUMP TRUCK BECAUSE THAT'LL TELL YOU WHAT REALLY IS GOING ON WITH THE ROAD, JUST LIKE THE LOGGING TRUCKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO TRAVEL THAT ROAD?
>> THANK YOU FOR WORKING ON GRAVEL BROOK.
I GOT ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU THOUGH ON GRAVEL BROOK AND GARY'S CHURCH.
IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL MARKINGS WE COULD PUT UP TO TRY TO STOP PEOPLE FROM HITTING THE GUARD RAIL?
>> HOW ABOUT TAKING THEIR LICENSE.
>> I'M ASSUMING IT'S CENTER LINE ONLY ON THAT ROAD.
IT'S PROBABLY NOT WIDE ENOUGH FOR EDGE LINES.
>> I KNOW Y'ALL SPENT A LOT OF MONEY REPLACING GUARD RAILS THROUGH THERE.
THEN I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION.
THIS IS GOING TO BE CRAZY OFF THE WALL.
SIXTY FOUR WE HAVE THESE GATES THAT WE CAN CLOSE ON THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT RAMPS.
>> YES, SIR. THAT'S FOR EMERGENCY.
>> COULD WE GET SOMETHING LIKE THAT INSTALLED ON BAXTER ROAD IN THE FLOOD AREA TO WHERE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COULD CLOSE.
BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME WE GET RAIN, SOMEBODY TRIES TO GO THROUGH THERE, WHICH ENDS UP TYING UP OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND A LOT OF TIMES OUR FIRING MS, BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW YOU DON'T DRIVE THROUGH STANDING WATER.
I WAS WONDERING IF THAT WAS SOMETHING WE COULD PUT UP.
>> I CAN DO SOME DIGGING AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY SIMILAR ISSUES ACROSS THE STATE AND SEE WHAT MAYBE HAS BEEN DONE IN OTHER LOCATIONS WHERE THAT'S A CONCERN.
IT'S NOT JUST THE PEOPLE IGNORING THE SIGNS, IT'S THEN TAKEN AWAY FROM SERVICES THAT OTHER PEOPLE MAY NEED.
>> WELL, THEN I DON'T WANT TO JEOPARDIZE OUR PEOPLE TRYING TO GET SOMEBODY OUT OF THE WATER.
I'LL DO A LITTLE BIT OF DIGGING JUST SEE IF I CAN FIND ANY CIRCUMSTANCES MAYBE SIMILAR AND WHAT'S BEEN DONE.
>> YES. COULD YOU PLEASE CHECK ON THE CONDITION OF THE DRAINAGE FROM WHISPERING WINDS DRIVE ONTO LAUREL SPRING ROAD.
SEVERAL OF THE DOWNPOURS THAT WE'VE HAD LATELY HAVE CAUSED PONDING ON THE ROAD AND PONDING IN THE DITCHES, AND THEY DON'T SEEM TO BE DRAINING VERY WELL.
I KNOW WE LOOKED AT THIS ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO AND THEY WERE ABLE TO OPEN UP THE DRAINAGE THAT GOES UNDER THE ROAD, BUT THAT MAY BE STOPPED UP AGAIN.
COULD YOU CHECK ON THAT, PLEASE?
>> YES, MA'AM. THAT'S ACTUALLY ON WHISPERING WINDS AT LAUREL SPRINGS?
>> YES, MA'AM. WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF WE CAN GET IT CLEANED UP.
>> WHAT'S THE STATUS ON THINGS LIKE THE GRASS MOWING, DITCH CLEANING, THAT STUFF.
I KNOW THEY HAD STARTED, I THINK LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE.
>> YES. THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON SECONDARY MOWING.
I THINK THEY'VE COMPLETED THEIR SECOND ROUND OF PRIMARY MOWING.
OUR DITCHING IS ONGOING ALL THROUGH THE YEAR.
OUR STAFF PERFORMS DITCHING, AND WE HAVE A VENDOR THAT HAS A MACHINE THAT DOES SIMILAR TO A ROTARY DITCHING.
THEY WORK ALL YEAR VARIOUS TIMES.
WE'VE SWITCHED OVER A LITTLE BIT TO TREE TRIMMING.
WE'VE STARTED TO SEE SOME GROWTH THAT'S CREATING PROBLEMS,
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BLOCKING SOME SIGNAGE AND STUFF LIKE THAT, SO OUR STATE FORCES ARE DOING SOME OF THAT RIGHT NOW.OUR REAL FOCUS IS FROM ALL THE RAINS, THE STORM DAMAGE.
IT SEEMS LIKE THE MORE TIME THAT GOES BY, MORE THINGS ARE STARTING TO REACH THE SURFACE THAT WERE DAMAGED FROM THAT EIGHT OR 9 " OF RAIN THAT WE RECEIVED JUST A MONTH MAYBE AGO.
IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME WE TURN AROUND, WE'RE BACK OUT INVESTIGATE AND THERE'S A HOLE IN THE ROAD.
WELL, IT'S NOT JUST A POTHOLE NOW.
WE HAVE TO GET CREWS INTO TV LINES, AND FIGURE OUT REPAIRS AND GET CONTRACTORS INVOLVED.
IT'S REALLY STARTED TO BECOME A SLOW PROCESS BECAUSE WE'RE SPENDING SO MUCH TIME INVESTIGATING SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING AS MUCH DONE AS WE'D LIKE TO SEE GET DONE.
BUT WE DO HAVE VENDORS WORKING ALL YEAR ROUND ON DITCHING AND VARIETY OF ISSUES.
>> I KNOW OUT ON OUR ROAD, WHAT THEY'RE WAITING ON WAS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE WAITING ON THE TRUCK TO COME OUT TO CLEAN SOME OF THE DITCHES BECAUSE THERE'S NO REAL CLEAR DITCH ANYMORE.
NOW WHEN IT RAINS, WATER IS JUST STANDING.
>> WHERE IS THAT? DO YOU MIND SAYING?
>> NO, I DON'T MIND SAYING. I'M AT 10682, AND IT'S BETWEEN THERE, AND I THINK IT'S 10720.
I HAD SPOKEN ALREADY WITH MR. HAWTHORNE.
AT ONE TIME, THEY HAD ACTUALLY COME OUT AND MARKED THE ROAD WITH A LITTLE ARROW SAYING, START HERE AND END DOWN HERE.
SINCE THEN OUR ROAD HAS BEEN REPAVED, SO THOSE MARKINGS ARE GONE.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO FALL OFF THE SCHEDULE BECAUSE I KNOW MY NEIGHBORS HIT ME UP EVERY MORNING WHEN I GO TO MAILBOX.
>> YES, SIR. WE'VE GOT A LOT GOING ON, THAT'S FOR SURE.
ANYONE ELSE? I THINK WE'RE GOOD, MA'AM.
>> THANK YOU. YOU ALL ENJOY THE REST OF THE EVENING.
>> YOU TOO. THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT.
>> THE SECOND ITEM WE HAVE IS PARKS AND RECREATION BUILDING ROOF REPLACEMENT.
THIS IS MR. INEZ, WHO IS OUR GENERAL SERVICES DIRECTOR.
>> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. ADMINISTRATOR. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO PROVIDE THIS REPORT TO YOU THIS EVENING.
I'LL BE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THE PARKS AND RECREATION, PRINCE GEORGE COMMUNITY CENTER, JUST FORMERLY THE OLD NORTH ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
THE DEPARTMENT OF GENERAL SERVICES IS CURRENTLY WORKING WITH J.KING DA CHAISO, THE THIRD, INCORPORATED, WHO'S A ROOFING CONTRACTOR UNDER A COOPERATIVE CONTRACT WITH CHESTERFIELD COUNTY TO DEVELOP PROJECT SCOPE AND PRICING TO REPLACE THE ROOF SYSTEM, AUDITORIUM, HVAC ROOFTOP UNITS, WITH PROJECT PLANS AND PROPOSAL EXPECTED IN THE COMING WEEKS.
THE CURRENT ROOF SYSTEM ON THE MAIN BUILDING.
I THINK I'VE PROVIDED YOU PICTURES.
I TRUST THAT YOU ALL RECEIVED PICTURES OF THE ROOF SYSTEM.
THE CURRENT ROOF SYSTEM IN THE MAIN BUILDING IS IN A STATE OF DISREPAIR.
DURING SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENTS, THE ROOF SYSTEM LEAKS IN SEVERAL AREAS OF THE BUILDING, AND MANY ATTEMPTS TO REPAIR THE ROOF HAVE BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL.
THE ROOF IS BUBBLING UP IN THE LOWER ROOF SECTION, IN MANY AREAS INDICATING WATER IS GETTING UNDERNEATH THE ROOFING MATERIAL, WHICH IS LIKELY THE REASON FOR THE WATER GETTING INTO THE BUILDING.
THE ROOFING COMPANIES OR THE ROOFING CONTRACTOR WILL BE PROVIDING PRICING TO REMOVE AND REPLACE THE THREE PACKAGED ROOFTOP AIR CONDITIONING UNITS ON THE AUDITORIUM.
CURRENTLY, ONLY ONE OF THE ROOFTOP UNITS IS EVEN FUNCTIONAL.
ALL THREE OF THOSE ROOFTOP UNITS ARE BEYOND THEIR LIFE EXPECTANCY.
THE TWO THAT ARE NOT FUNCTIONAL NOW HAVE BEEN GUTTED.
MOST PARTS HAVE BEEN ROBBED FROM THEM AND IT WILL COST A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO TRY TO GET THOSE BACK UP AND FUNCTIONAL.
AS A PART OF A COMPREHENSIVE PACKAGE, WE'RE WORKING ON A ROOF REPLACEMENT PROPOSAL WITH A TAPERED ROOF SYSTEM THAT'S FOAM INSULATION, NEW DRAIN SYSTEMS, A WHITE MEMBRANE ROOF THAT HAS A 20 YEAR LIFE EXPECTANCY.
THE COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH TO THE PLAN IS TO NOT ONLY REPLACE THE ROOF SYSTEM, BUT ALSO THE HVAC SYSTEMS. CURRENTLY, THERE'S NO IDENTIFIED FUNDING SOURCE FOR THIS PROJECT.
I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE AT THIS TIME.
>> DOES ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. INEZ?
>> NOT YET. WE SHOULD HAVE SOME PRICING IN THE COMING WEEKS.
THIS HAS BEEN IN DEVELOPMENT NOW FOR A FEW MONTHS.
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>> HOW IS THAT BEING CLIMATE CONTROLLED IF THE UNITS ON TOP AREN'T WORKING CURRENTLY?
>> NOT VERY WELL. ONE UNIT OUT OF THREE IS FUNCTIONING.
FORTUNATELY, THE AUDITORIUM IS JUST USED FOR SOME YOGA CLASSES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE WITH LIMITED NUMBERS OF PEOPLE.
WE'RE GIMPING ALONG WITH THAT ONE UNIT.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? PRETTY MUCH, THIS IS JUST GIVING US AN UPDATE.
YOU'LL HAVE TO COME BACK TO US ONCE YOU START GETTING SOME NUMBERS TOGETHER.
BY THAT TIME, WE'LL BE LEANING ON MS. DREWRY FOR FUNDING SOURCE.
I THINK WE ALL HAVE SOME WORK LEFT TO DO HERE.
>> THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE IS OUR REGIONAL INDUSTRIAL FACILITY AUTHORITY.
THIS IS GOING TO BE MR. KEITH BOSWELL, WHO IS THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF VIRGINIA GATEWAY REGION. GOOD EVENING, SIR.
>> GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION TO COME TONIGHT.
MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. STOKE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BRING BEFORE YOU AN IDEA THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AROUND 2021.
WITH THAT, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH A FEW SLIDES.
FEEL FREE TO STOP ME AT ANY POINT IN TIME.
I WILL SAY TOO THAT ONLINE JOINING US IS OUR ATTORNEY THAT WE'RE USING TO ESTABLISH THE REGIONAL INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES AUTHORITY THROUGHOUT THE GATEWAY REGION, STEVE MEADE.
HE IS ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF CARNEY, PATTERSON AND MEADE, WHICH IS A LAW FIRM OUT OF NEWPORT NEWS, BUT THEY ALSO SPECIALIZE IN THE CREATION OF THESE REGIONAL INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES AUTHORITY.
HE'S QUITE FRANKLY THE EXPERT.
IF THERE'S A LEGAL QUESTION, WE MAY GET HIM TO JOIN IN HERE. I GOT IT.
YOU MAY ASK, WHAT IS RIFA? WELL, A REGIONAL INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES AUTHORITY, ALSO KNOWN AS RIFA.
IT WAS ENABLED WITH LEGISLATION IN 1960.
THE WHOLE IDEA ABOUT A REGIONAL INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES AUTHORITY IS SO THAT COMMUNITIES COULD GET TOGETHER TO DO WHAT THEY MIGHT, CAN DO INDIVIDUALLY WITH ONE OFFS, BUT THIS WOULD ESTABLISH A WAY THAT YOU COULD DO MULTIPLE PROJECTS IN A VEHICLE THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND RECREATE EVERY TIME THAT YOU WANTED TO DO SOMETHING SPECIAL.
FOR EXAMPLE, A REGIONAL JAIL, OR A REGIONAL WATER AUTHORITY, OR A REGIONAL SPCA.
SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES WHERE YOU WANTED TO SHARE THE REVENUE, BUT ALSO SHARE THE COST.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE ENABLING LEGISLATION.
THE PURPOSE IS, I JUST MENTIONED, BUT THE IDEA, AGAIN, IS THAT COMMUNITIES CAN GET TOGETHER TO DO THINGS TOGETHER THAT THEY COULD DO ONE OFF, BUT THIS ENABLES A ONGOING VEHICLE FOR PROJECTS THAT YOU MAY NOT EVEN KNOW THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE IN THE FUTURE.
ONCE YOU ESTABLISH A REGIONAL INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES AUTHORITY, IT'S YOURS TO USE AS A VEHICLE, OR EVEN YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AS A TOOL ANYTIME THAT YOU WANT TO BRING SOMETHING INSIDE OF THAT REGIONAL GROUP.
THE IDEA IS THAT IT CREATES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ASSETS, IT SHARES THE COST, BUT IT ALSO HAS THE POTENTIAL TO SHARE THE REVENUE AS WELL DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE OF PROJECT.
THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT YOU COULD DO.
NOW, I'M AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPER, SO I'M A LITTLE BIT MORE MYOPIC HERE.
I JUST WANT TO FOCUS ON JUST THE THINGS THAT QUITE FRANKLY INCREASE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR REVENUE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO JOBS IN THE COMMUNITY FOR THE RESIDENTS.
BUT FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU WANTED TO START A BRAND NEW INDUSTRIAL PARK, OR IF YOU HAVE A PARTICULAR SITE THAT YOU WERE TRYING TO DEVELOP AND MAYBE YOU NEEDED SOME EXTRA FUNDS TO HELP THAT.
FOR EXAMPLE, A COMMUNITY COULD BE LAND RICH AND ANOTHER COMMUNITY COULD BE CASH RICH.
YOU ALL COULD COME TOGETHER AND FORM A PROJECT INSIDE OF A RIFA, SO THERE WOULD BE A COST SHARE AND A REVENUE SHARE.
THE NEXT ONE I'M GOING TO PARK ON JUST FOR A SECOND BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY NEAR AND DEAR TO OUR HEARTS, THIS WATER AND SEWER SOLUTIONS.
IT IS WELL KNOWN THAT HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE FOR OUR REGION IN PARTICULAR.
GETTING WATER AND WASTEWATER WHERE IT'S NEEDED MOST FOR INDUSTRIAL COMPLEXES AND MAYBE EVEN OTHER PLACES.
BUT I JUST WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU SOME DATA THAT WE HAVE.
THIS IS JUST OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS.
IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY ALONE, WE SEE A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT COME THROUGH,
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AND THEY'RE ALL SIZES, SMALL TO GIANT, BUT I PICKED OUT THE PROJECTS OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS THAT WERE HEAVY WATER AND OR WASTEWATER USERS THAT WE DID NOT WIN.I'M NOT SAYING THAT ANYBODY IN THE COMMONWEALTH WON THESE, BUT THESE WERE JUST OPPORTUNITIES.
IF YOU LOOKED AT THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT CAME OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, THERE WERE 11 OF THEM WHICH WERE IN THE HIGH WATER HIGH WASTEWATER NEED TYPE PROJECTS.
THAT REPRESENTED ABOUT 30% OF ALL THE PROJECTS THAT PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY SPECIFICALLY SAW.
THOSE 11 PROJECTS REPRESENTED $9.4 BILLION WORTH OF OPPORTUNITY AND AROUND 4,400 JOBS.
NOW, YOU MAY SAY, WELL, THAT'S A LOT.
WERE WE EVEN IN THE HUNT? WE WERE IN THE HUNT FOR THOSE PROJECTS.
NOW, I WILL SAY THAT THREE OF THEM ARE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA BECAUSE THEY WERE PHARMACEUTICAL RELATED.
THEY DIDN'T CHOOSE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.
THEY WERE SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY, BUT THEY DIDN'T CHOOSE ANYWHERE IN VIRGINIA AS WELL BECAUSE NOBODY IN VIRGINIA COULD MEET THAT NEED OF THAT READINESS.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A SCOPE AND FEEL FOR THE KINDS OF JUST WATER AND SEWER PROJECTS THAT PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY HAS SEEN OVER THE LAST JUST TWO YEARS.
TRANSPORTATION, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF IMPROVEMENTS.
EVERYTHING FROM THE ROUNDABOUT AT REEVES ROAD TO THE WIDENING OF 460 COULD GO INTO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
EVEN RECREATIONAL ENTERTAINMENT DEVELOPMENT AND EVEN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE JUST TRADITIONAL INDUSTRIAL TYPE OF PROJECTS.
BUT FOR EXAMPLE, IF ONE OF YOUR LOCAL COLLEGE HAD SOME PROPERTY THAT THEY WANTED TO DEVELOP FOR A RESEARCH TYPE OF PARK, THAT WOULD BE AN EASY INSERT INTO A REGIONAL INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES AUTHORITY THAT MAYBE SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES LIKE PETERSBURG AND OR DINWIDDIE MIGHT WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN SHARING COST, BUT SHARING REVENUE.
THERE IT IS. YOU MIGHT ASK, WELL, WE ALREADY HAVE AN EDA, AN IDA.
WELL, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE REGIONAL INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES AUTHORITY, IT INCORPORATES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MANY PARTNERS TO COME IN, WHOEVER'S MEMBERS OF THAT REGIONAL INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES AUTHORITY SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO CREATE THESE ONE OFFS.
YOU CAN DO THESE PROJECTS INDIVIDUALLY JUST FOR YOUR COMMUNITY WITHOUT ESTABLISHING A RIFA.
I SHOULD SAY HERE TOO THAT EVERY PROJECT THAT YOU MIGHT ENCOUNTER DOESN'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY GO INTO A REGIONAL INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES AUTHORITY.
YOU, AS A COMMUNITY, REMAIN TOTAL CONTROL OVER WHAT GOES INTO A RIFA AND WHAT YOU DECIDE TO ENGAGE WITH OTHERS, BUT THIS IS JUST A TOOL TO USE IF YOU DO WANT TO ENGAGE OTHERS IN A PROJECT.
IT STARTS WITH A MEETING LIKE THIS.
YOU ADOPT AN ORDINANCE, ASSUMING THAT YOU GO FORWARD WITH THIS.
THERE IS AN AGREEMENT THAT CREATES THE RIFA.
YOU ADD TWO MEMBERS FROM EACH COMMUNITY THAT'S INSIDE OF THE REGIONAL INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES AUTHORITY TO A BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
THEN ONCE THAT GETS ESTABLISHED, YOU ACTUALLY FILE WITH THE SECRETARY OF THE COMMONWEALTH, AND IT BECOMES AN OFFICIAL AUTHORITY.
THESE ARE THE PROPOSED MEMBERS OF THE VIRGINIA'S GATEWAY REGION INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES AUTHORITY JUST AS A NAME.
IF YOU REMEMBER A COUPLE, LET'S SEE, 2021, SO ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO, IT WAS FEWER NAMES ON THIS.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS HAPPENED OVER THE TIME IS THAT VIRGINIA'S GATEWAY REGION HAS ADDED NEW MEMBERS TO ITS COMMUNITY, PLUS THERE'S OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT Y'ALL WORK WITH AND THE MEMBERS OF VIRGINIA'S GATEWAY WORK WITH THAT HAVE SAID, HEY, HOW ABOUT ESTABLISHING A LITTLE BIT BIGGER GROUP? NOW, I WILL STOP HERE BECAUSE IF YOU'RE A MEMBER OF A REGIONAL INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES AUTHORITY, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT WHOLE CREATION PROCESS, EACH ONE OF THESE COMMUNITIES.
ONE OF THOSE COMMUNITIES, OR MAYBE THREE OR FOUR OF THEM, COULD SAY, WE'RE NOT READY YET.
YOU CAN FORM A REGIONAL INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES AUTHORITY, OR A RIFA, WITH JUST TWO COMMUNITY PARTNERS.
IF THOSE SAY, I WANT TO COME IN LATER, THEY CAN COME IN LATER, AND IT COULD BE YEARS LATER OR IT COULD BE MONTHS LATER.
IT DOESN'T DEPEND WHETHER ALL THESE COME IN AT THE SAME TIME.
BUT THE INTERESTING THING HERE IS THAT EVERY COMMUNITY ON THAT LIST HAS FAMILIARITY WITH SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES INSIDE OF VGR.
THIS IS WHY THAT LIST WAS CREATED.
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LET ME GO BACK ONE. MY CLICKER IS NOT WORKING.>> THANK YOU, MR. STOKE. FUTURE EXPANSION, I JUST COVERED THAT.
THE GOVERNING BOARD, AGAIN, YOU HAVE TWO BOARD MEMBERS.
THE IDEA IS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A BOARD MEMBER THAT WOULD HAVE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INTEREST.
THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST MEMBERS THAT WOULD SERVICE THIS BOARD.
YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, TREASURER, SECRETARY, THOSE THINGS, AND YOU WOULD HAVE ELECTIONS EVERY YEAR ON THOSE.
THE FUNDING OBLIGATIONS IS A GREAT QUESTION.
THE CREATION PHASE, WHICH WE'RE IN, VIRGINIA'S GATEWAY REGION WILL ABSORB THOSE COSTS TO CREATE IT.
IT DOESN'T COST ANYTHING UNTIL YOU START TO USE IT.
IF YOU HAVE A PROJECT THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME COOPERATION WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES, YOU'LL PROBABLY WANT TO START THIS PROCESS BEFORE YOU THROW THAT IN AND THEN YOU WOULD BEAR THE EXPENSE OF WHATEVER THAT PROJECT IS.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT FURTHER IF YOU'D LIKE.
BUT THAT'S BASICALLY HOW THE FUNDING WORKS.
THERE IS NO ANNUAL FEE TO RUN A GATEWAY REGION INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES AUTHORITY RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX.
THE BEST WAY TO FUND THIS IS INSIDE PROJECTS WHEN THEY START TO CARVE OUT REVENUE OR SPIN OUT REVENUE.
IT'S JUST TO CARVE A LITTLE BIT OFF FOR OPERATING FUND SO THAT THE REGIONAL INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES AUTHORITY DOESN'T COME BACK AND ASK ALL OF THE MEMBERS FOR OPERATING FUNDS EVERY YEAR.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE SMART WAY IF YOU START TO HAVE REVENUE OFF OF PROJECTS.
AGAIN, EVERY PROJECT IS NOT GOING TO HAVE REVENUE, BUT THE ONES THAT DO, THAT WOULD BE AN IDEAL WAY TO FUND THAT.
THE IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER IS IF YOU'RE A MEMBER OF A REGIONAL INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES AUTHORITY AND A PROJECT COMES TO THE REGIONAL INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES AUTHORITY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PARTICIPATE IF YOU DON'T WANT.
IT'S UP TO YOUR BOARD MEMBERS TO CHOOSE WHETHER YOUR COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE OR NOT.
IT ONLY TAKES TWO PEOPLE, TWO COMMUNITIES, I SHOULD SAY, TO PARTICIPATE IN A PROJECT.
BUT ONCE YOU BRING A PROJECT TO THE GOVERNING BODY, THE AUTHORITY, THEN EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE PARTICIPANT IN THAT PROJECT.
THE IDEA IS THAT SOME WILL SELF-SELECT OUT, SOME OF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, BUT SOME WILL MAKE SENSE.
I THINK MANY HANDS MAKE LIGHT WORK.
AGAIN, NOT EVERY PROJECT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IS GOING TO BE A CANDIDATE FOR A REGIONAL INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES AUTHORITY.
IT REALLY STREAMLINES EVERYTHING FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
THERE IS AN ANNUAL REPORT REQUIRED, AS WELL AS AN ANNUAL AUDIT.
AS SOON AS YOU HAVE PROJECTS THAT GO INTO THE RIFA, IT WOULD REQUIRE THOSE THINGS.
TERMINATION. IT'S A GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE YOU MAY WANT TO SAY, WELL, IT SOUNDS GOOD TODAY, BUT WE'RE IN IT AND WE MAY NOT WANT TO BE IN IT FOR THE LONG HAUL.
IF YOU'RE INVOLVED IN A PROJECT, YOU HAVE TO SEE THAT PROJECT THROUGH BECAUSE THERE'S PROBABLY OBLIGATIONS YOU'VE OBLIGATED YOURSELF FOR VARIOUS COSTS IN THAT PROJECT.
BUT AS SOON AS THAT PROJECT IS OVER OR SATISFIED, IT COULD BE SATISFIED BY ANOTHER COMMUNITY BUYING YOUR INTEREST OUT, SO TO SPEAK, THEN YOU CAN EXIT OUT THE RIFA AT ANY POINT IN TIME.
IT'S NOT A LIFE SENTENCE, IF YOU WILL.
THE ADVANTAGES, JUST TALK ABOUT THESE, AND I THINK THIS IS MY LAST SLIDE.
IT ENCOURAGES THIS REGIONAL COLLABORATION.
THERE'S MANY PROJECTS THAT YOU MIGHT FIND THAT MANY HANDS WILL MAKE LIGHT WORK.
THE TIME FOR GETTING THESE PROJECTS STARTED WILL GREATLY DECREASE INSIDE OF A RIFA BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE LEGAL WORK TO GET THOSE TO THE POINT WHERE Y'ALL WANT TO MAKE A DECISION TO INVEST OR BE PART OF A PROJECT.
THE PARTNERSHIPS ARE IN PLACE ALREADY BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT WOULD BE PART OF THIS GROUP. COST SHARING.
WE TALKED ABOUT REVENUE SHARING, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE HIGHLIGHT OF WHAT YOU CAN THINK OF.
IF IT IS ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE GOING, HOW AM I GOING TO GET THIS DONE? IT ABSOLUTELY REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF RISK INSIDE OF THOSE PROJECTS, MEANING THE UPSIDE RISK.
IS IT A READY TOOL? IT AVOIDS THIS LONG CREATION TIME WHEN YOU WANT TO GET TO.
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YES. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY LIMIT ON A PROJECT SIZE AND SCOPE.>> THE NEXT STEPS YOU WOULD HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
BY THE WAY, I HAVE ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS READY TO GO.
THEY'RE BOILERPLATE DOCUMENTS BECAUSE MR. MEADE HAS HAD GREAT SUCCESS WITH THIS ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH.
THESE DOCUMENTS ARE LITERALLY FILLING YOUR NAME, AND YOU CAN GO FORWARD WITH THEM.
I HAVE THOSE READY THAT ANYTIME YOU'RE READY TO RECEIVE THEM.
AN ORDINATES, YOU'D CREATE AN AGREEMENT.
THE AGREEMENT WOULD BE CREATED FOR THE GATEWAY REGION INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES AUTHORITY.
YOU SHARE THESE DRAFTS WITH THE OTHER MEMBERS.
THE LOCALITIES, ADD THIS TO THEIR AGENDA AND START ADVERTISING, AND WE CAN EVEN HELP OUT WITH ANY OF THESE NEXT STEPS ALONG THE WAY.
ONCE THAT'S OVER, YOU VOTE UP OR DOWN, AND THEN WE JUST BASICALLY START TO FILE WITH THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA, SECRETARY OF THE COMMONWEALTH.
THOUGHT HAD ONE SLIDE IN THERE. THERE IT IS.
THESE ARE THE KNOWN RIFAS IN VIRGINIA RIGHT NOW.
I'M SORRY ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE FONT.
I CAN EASILY GET YOU ALL OF THESE SLIDES.
THERE ARE 14 LISTED ON HERE, AND THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COMMONWEALTH AND PROBABLY NAMES THAT YOU KNOW.
IF YOU SEE ANY THAT YOU DO KNOW, I'D GIVE A CALL TO HOW'S THIS GOING? ONE THAT'S REALLY NEAR IS THE MID ATLANTIC ADVANCED MANUFACTURING CENTRE OR MAMAC REGIONAL INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES AUTHORITY.
EMPORIA, GREENSVILLE, AND MECKLENBURG GOT TOGETHER TO DO SOME THINGS ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THAT EVEN ONE OF THOSE COULDN'T DO BY THEMSELVES.
IT'S JUST ANOTHER WAY TO COST SHARE AND REVENUE SHARE IN THE POTENTIAL WHATEVER'S COMING ON THAT.
BUT AGAIN, BE A GOOD BRIAN AND LOOK AT SOME OF THESE COMMUNITIES AND ASK THEM HOW THESE ARE WORKING OUT.
ONE OF THE LARGEST ON HERE, I WILL POINT OUT, IS THE EASTERN VIRGINIA REGIONAL INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES AUTHORITY, AND THERE'S 10 COMMUNITIES IN THE HAMPTON ROADS AREA.
I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY THE HARDEST ONE TO GET PUT TOGETHER, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S THE KNOWN RIFAS IN VIRGINIA.
WITH THAT, I'LL YIELD THE FLOOR, MY COMMENTS.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE.
>> ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM MR. BOSWELL?
>> DO YOU HAVE ANY INTENTION OF GOING TO THE SURROUNDING LOCALITIES AND CITIES TO DISCUSS WITH THEM OR GETTING ON THIS AS WELL?
>> YES, SIR. YOU WERE THE VERY FIRST ON THE LIST.
YOUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR VOLUNTEERED ME FIRST TO SAY THIS IS AN IDEA THAT MAYBE THE TIME HAS COME TO REVISIT ONCE AGAIN.
>> I THINK IT'S GOOD INFORMATION.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY NEED TO BE LOOKED INTO BECAUSE HERE A WHILE BACK IN THE PAPER, AND I CAN'T QUOTE IT, BUT I THINK I SAW WHERE SINCE THAT LATEST HICCUP THEY HAD IN RICHMOND WITH A WATER PLANT THAT HENRICO AND HANOVER AND SOME OTHER LOCALITIES WERE TRYING TO PARTNER WITH RICHMOND.
WATER IS A SHORT COMMODITY, JUST LIKE SEWER.
IT'S NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER IF WE FIND WAYS TO IMPROVE IT.
THERE'S A LOT OF ITEMS ON THAT LIST THAT WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO US.
I'M FULLY AWARE, TOO, THAT THE STATE HAS MONEY OUT THERE WHEN YOU START COLLABORATING ON A REGIONAL BASIS VERSUS INDIVIDUAL LOCALITIES TRYING EVERYBODY TRYING TO DO THE SAME THING.
WHEN YOU PARTNER AND DO THINGS REGIONALLY, THERE COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FUNDING OUT THERE AS WELL.
>> I MADE ONE COMMENT RELATED TO MR. CHAIR. WE GO AFTER GRANTS WITH ORGANIZATIONS LIKE GO VIRGINIA, WHICH IS VIRGINIA'S BIG FUNDING ORGANIZATION.
THEY RECOMMEND START WITH REGIONAL INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES AUTHORITY.
IT'S EASIER FOR THEM TO APPROVE GRANTS IF IT'S UNDER A REGIONAL COLLABORATION. THEY LOOK AT THAT.
THAT'S JUST THAT GO VIRGINIA, BUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS THE SAME WAY.
WE THINK IT'S A REAL NATURAL FIT.
OTHERS HAVE BEEN REAL SUCCESSFUL WITH IT, AND WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET MORE THAN OUR FAIR SHARE, AND RIFA COULD DO THAT.
I WILL SAY THIS, TOO, IF I MAY, VDP KEEPS A LIST OF ALL THE INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES ALL OVER THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA.
IF I'M GOING TO GET MY NUMBERS WRONG,
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AND I CAN GET TO YOU THE EXACT NUMBERS.BUT IF THEY'RE OVER, 22,000 ACRES UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR A HANDFUL OF PROJECTS THAT ARE GETTING READY TO TAKE DOWN READY SITES, AND THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF READY SITES WITH ALL OF THE UTILITIES IN BULK THERE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SITES NORTH OF 100 ACRES THAT HAVE EXCESS CAPACITIES OF WATER IN THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF GALLONS.
MAYBE MILLIONS WOULD BE GOOD ON BOTH SIDES OF THE WATER AND SEWER.
THEY'RE BEGGING FOR US AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPERS ACROSS THE STATE TO GET READY.
THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE VEHICLES THAT OTHERS HAVE FOUND TO UTILIZE THAT AS A TOOL TO GET READY AND PARTICIPATE AS A COLLECTIVE.
AGAIN, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME.
I REALLY APPRECIATE BEING HERE.
>> YES, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT.
HAVE A GOOD EVENING. THE NEXT REPORT THAT WE HAVE COMING UP IS THE ECONOMIC AND FISCAL IMPACT STUDY, AND I THINK, MR. GABRI, YOU'RE PRESENTING THIS ONE.
>> I WILL BE INTRODUCING MANGUM ECONOMICS.
VICE CHAIR WAYMACK, BOARD MEMBERS, MR. STOKE, AND MR. COLLOS.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME PRESENT TONIGHT.
ON MAY 27TH, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS GAVE STAFF A CONSENSUS RESOLUTION IN MOVING FORWARD WITH A PROPOSAL FROM MANGUM ECONOMICS AND CONDUCTING AN ECONOMIC AND FISCAL IMPACT STUDY FROM WATER AND WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS SERVING INDUSTRIAL SITES.
THE STUDY WAS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
DUE TO THE DEADLINE OF THE VIRGINIA ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP REGARDING THE VIRGINIA BUSINESS READY SITES PROGRAM, GRANT ANNOUNCED BY GOVERNOR YOUNKIN ON AUGUST 8 OF 2024.
THE $10 MILLION VBSP GRANT AWARD IS INTENDED TO BE USED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, SERVING THE CROSS POINT BUSINESS CENTER SITE, DUE TO LIMITED CAPACITIES ENCROACHING ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THESE UPGRADES WOULD ALSO IMPACT OTHER INDUSTRIAL SITES IN THE SURROUNDING AREA FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH MANGUM HAS INCLUDED IN THEIR STUDY.
WITH THAT, I'LL INTRODUCE MARTINA ERROL, DIRECTOR OF RESEARCH FOR MANGUM ECONOMICS, WHO WILL BE PRESENTING THEIR FINDINGS TONIGHT.
>> GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN, BROWN, VICE CHAIRMAN, WAYMACK, BOARD MEMBERS, AND MR. STOKE. THANK YOU FOR, FIRST OF ALL, ENGAGING OUR COMPANY IN THIS REPORT AND FOR INVITING ME TO PRESENT THE RESULTS.
FIRST, I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND ON THE WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE.
THEN DESCRIBE THE PROJECTS THAT WE MODELED IN OUR REPORT THAT INCLUDES THE ECONOMIC CONTRIBUTION AND THE FISCAL CONTRIBUTION.
THEN I'D LIKE TO COMPARE IT TO YOUR COUNTY'S BUDGET TO SHOW WHAT THIS COULD MEAN FOR YOUR COMMUNITY AND RESIDENTS.
WE WERE CONTACTED BY YOUR DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM BECAUSE OF YOUR COMMUNITY'S LACK OF CAPACITY IN WATER AND SEWER TO ACCOMMODATE ADEQUATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
MY NUMBERS HERE ARE SIMILAR TO MR. BOSWELL'S.
I THINK IT'S A DIFFERENT TIME FRAME, BUT WE WERE TOLD THAT BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN POTENTIAL PROJECTS AND MANY JOBS WERE NOT CONSIDERED, OR THE COMMUNITY WAS NOT CONSIDERED, BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF WATER AND SEWER CAPACITY.
WE WERE HIRED TO PROVIDE THIS REPORT.
I KNOW THAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON ADDING CAPACITY THROUGH THE APPOMATIX WATER AUTHORITY PROJECT AND ARE LOOKING AT THESE DIFFERENT WASTEWATER SOLUTIONS TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY.
OUR REPORT MODELED A TOTAL OF 17 BUSINESSES THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY LOCATE IN THE COMMUNITY.
IT INCLUDES THE LEGO GROUP FACILITY THAT WAS RECENTLY ANNOUNCED.
WE INCLUDED THE NORFOLK SOUTHERN PROPERTY, THE CROSS POINT, AND SOUTH POINT INDUSTRIAL PARKS, AND THAT ALSO INCLUDED A 40-ACRE COUNTY-OWNED PARCEL.
WE MODELED A TOTAL OF 5.6 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING SPACE THAT WAS BASED ON ENGINEERING REPORTS DONE FOR THESE SITES BY THE TIMMINS GROUP.
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THE BUSINESSES WERE IN THE ADVANCED MATERIALS MANUFACTURING, BIOTECH AND PHARMACEUTICAL MANUFACTURING SECTORS, DISTRIBUTION, AND ONE DATA CENTER COMPANY.THEY TOTALED TWO BILLION, AND WE MODELED IT OVER THREE CONSECUTIVE 10-YEAR PERIODS, SO A TOTAL OF 30 YEARS.
WE AGAIN, RECEIVED INFORMATION FROM YOUR OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM ON THE BUILDING SIZES, THE TARGET INDUSTRIES, WATER AND SEWER DEMANDS FOR THESE FACILITIES, AND THE WATER AND SEWER CONNECTION FEES AND CHARGES.
WE SUPPLEMENTED THAT WITH OUR OWN RESEARCH ON INDUSTRY ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR THESE SPECIFIC INDUSTRIES TO COME UP WITH INVESTMENTS, POTENTIAL INVESTMENT JOBS, AND THEN AVERAGE SALARIES.
WE USED PUBLIC INFORMATION FROM THE US BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS, AND THE MODELING SOFTWARE THAT WE USED FOR THE ANALYSIS.
WITH THAT, I GUESS, JUST, IT'S HERE, I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THESE ARE HYPOTHETICALS.
ACTUAL BUILDING SIZES, OF COURSE, MAY VARY.
IT WAS BASED ON A POTENTIAL SIDE LAYOUT.
THE INDUSTRIES THAT MAY ULTIMATELY CONSIDER THE COUNTY MAY VARY.
THE INVESTMENTS AND JOBS ASSOCIATED WITH EACH PROJECT ARE VERY PROJECT-SPECIFIC AND UNIQUE.
THE ULTIMATE ECONOMIC AND FISCAL CONTRIBUTION THAT THESE BUSINESSES WOULD BRING COULD VARY, OF COURSE.
FOR THE FISCAL IMPACT, I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE ASSUMED THAT THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE THE BASIS FOR THE PROPERTY ASSESSMENTS.
WE DID INCLUDE THE ENTERPRISE ZONE BENEFITS FOR MANUFACTURERS.
A FIVE-YEAR EXEMPTION ON MACHINERY AND TOOLS TAXES WAS INCLUDED.
NO REVENUE FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS OF EACH OF THESE MANUFACTURING BUSINESSES THAT WE MODELED.
WE ALSO INCLUDED THE WATER AND SEWER CONNECTION FEE DISCOUNT THAT THEY WOULD RECEIVE UNDER THE ENTERPRISE ZONES.
WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO BRIEFLY EXPLAIN HOW WE MODEL IT.
WE USED THE IMPLANT SOFTWARE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE MOST COMMONLY USED ECONOMIC IMPACT MODELING SOFTWARES IN THE NATION.
IT'S USED BY UNIVERSITIES, RESEARCH INSTITUTES, STATE AGENCIES, AND CONSULTANTS SUCH AS OURSELVES.
IT IS AS POPULAR AS IT IS BECAUSE IT ALLOWS THE USER TO MODEL ON A GEOGRAPHIC BASIS AND INDUSTRY-SPECIFIC SPECIFIC.
THE SOFTWARE USES DATA FOR THE BUREAU'S ECONOMIC ANALYSIS AND OVERLAYS THIS INDUSTRY-SPECIFIC SPENDING PATTERN THAT A SPECIFIC INDUSTRY HAS.
IT LOOKS AT WHAT BUSINESSES THEY PURCHASE SUPPLIES FROM, AND IT OVERLAYS THAT WITH THE ECONOMY OF A SPECIFIC COMMUNITY.
IN OUR CASE, WE USED PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.
THESE RESULTS ARE LOCATION-SPECIFIC AND INDUSTRY-SPECIFIC.
THE CONSTRUCTION IMPACT, OF COURSE, IT'S OVER MANY YEARS, BUT WE FOCUSED ON WHAT COULD REALLY BE THE LOCAL IMPACT.
IT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 200 JOBS, DIRECTLY, 210 INDIRECT, AND INDUCED.
I SHOULD PROBABLY EXPLAINED THAT DIRECT IS ALWAYS THE DIRECT ACTIVITY THAT IS MEASURED.
OR ON THE NEXT SLIDE, I'LL TALK ABOUT THE ONGOING OPERATIONS OF THESE POTENTIAL BUSINESSES.
IT'S THE IMPACT THAT THESE BUSINESSES BRING TO THE COMMUNITY.
THEN YOU HAVE THESE RIPPLE EFFECTS THAT ARE BASED FROM THE SPENDING BECAUSE THAT INITIAL BUSINESS, THAT INITIAL ACTIVITY, PURCHASES SUPPLIES LOCALLY OR USES SERVICES.
SO $1 THAT IS SPENT CREATES ADDITIONAL DOLLARS IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THAT'S THAT SECOND LINE THAT INDIRECT AND INDUCED.
THERE ARE MORE JOBS SUPPORTED BECAUSE OF THAT SPENDING.
THAT'S HOW YOU GET THE TOTAL ECONOMIC ACTIVITY.
AGAIN, FROM CONSTRUCTION, IT WOULD BE 200 DIRECT JOBS, 210 INDIRECT AND INDUCED, TOTAL OF 410, 25 MILLION IN WAGES AND BENEFITS, AND THE TOTAL ECONOMIC OUTPUT IS APPROXIMATELY 98 MILLION.
LOCAL TAX REVENUE IS CONSERVATIVELY 1.2 MILLION, AND THE LOCAL WATER AND SEWER CONNECTION FEES WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 2.4 MILLION.
AGAIN, THAT INCLUDES THE ENTERPRISE'S OWN BENEFIT.
ASSUMING THE 17 BUSINESSES THAT WE MODELED WOULD LOCATE HERE, I WOULD SUPPORT 2,900 ADDITIONAL JOBS LOCALLY, 262 MILLION IN WAGES AND BENEFITS, AND 1.1 BILLION IN ECONOMIC OUTPUT.
AGAIN, THAT RIPPLE EFFECT FROM THAT INITIAL SPENDING WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL 780 JOBS FOR A TOTAL OF 3,690 JOBS,
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302 MILLION IN WAGES AND BENEFITS, AND 1.2 BILLION IN ECONOMIC OUTPUT.>> IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS THAT FOR THESE DIRECT JOBS, THE AVERAGE SALARY WOULD BASED ON THESE INDUSTRIES AND DATA IN NATIONWIDE DATA, STATEWIDE DATA, REGIONAL DATA.
THE AVERAGE ANNUAL WAGES WOULD BE 75,000, AND CURRENTLY, YOUR COUNTY'S AVERAGE PRIVATE SECTOR ANNUAL WAGE IS 53,500.
ATTRACTING THESE BUSINESSES WOULD INCREASE YOUR LOCAL WAGES.
NEXT, I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THE FISCAL CONTRIBUTION, THE TAX REVENUE THAT WOULD BE GENERATED FROM THESE BUSINESSES.
AGAIN, WHEN WE MODELED THIS IN YEAR 1, YOU HAVE ONE BUSINESS, AND THEN OVER TIME, WE SLOWLY ADDED THESE BUSINESSES.
THE FIRST PHASE HAD SIX BUSINESSES, THE SECOND PHASE FOUR BUSINESSES, AND THE THIRD PHASE HAD SEVEN, AND SO EVERY OTHER YEAR, WE ADDED ANOTHER NEW BUSINESS.
THE REVENUE SLOWLY INCREASED, BUT OVER A 30-YEAR PERIOD, IT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 359 MILLION IN TOTAL TAX REVENUE GENERATED.
OF DEBT, 166 MILLION IS ASSOCIATED WITH REAL ESTATE TAX REVENUE, 169 MILLION WITH BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX REVENUE, AND 24.3 MILLION WITH THE MACHINERY AND TOOLS TAX REVENUE.
WE ALSO MODELED THE WATER AND SEWER CHARGES BASED ON THE WATER AND SEWER USAGE THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US, AND THAT WOULD BE A TOTAL OF APPROXIMATELY 147 MILLION OVER 30 YEARS.
I PUT THAT IN A GRAPH HERE TO SHOW, AS I SAID, IT BEGINS WITH LESS, AND IT GETS MORE AS MORE BUSINESSES COMMENCE OPERATIONS, AND, OF COURSE, THIS IS THE CUMULATIVE TOTAL.
BUT ALSO WANTED TO SHARE. THERE WE ARE.
THE AVERAGE ANNUAL TAX REVENUE.
THE FIRST COLUMN THERE IS THE YEAR 1 TAX REVENUE, WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE ONE BUSINESS OPERATIONAL, TOTAL TAX REVENUE OF APPROXIMATELY 3.3 MILLION BY YEAR 30, WHEN YOU HAVE ALL 17 BUSINESSES OPERATIONAL, APPROXIMATELY 20.5 MILLION.
AGAIN, IT'S IMPORTANT TO MENTION THAT THAT MACHINERY AND TOOLS TAX REVENUE DOES INCLUDE THE ENTERPRISE ON BENEFITS.
MOST OF THE BUSINESSES THAT WE MODELED ARE STILL WITHIN THAT FIRST FIVE-YEAR PERIOD, WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE IN YEAR 35.
THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE AVERAGE ANNUAL OVER 30 YEARS FROM ALL THESE, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 12 MILLION, 5.5 MILLION IN REAL ESTATE TAXES, 5.6 MILLION IN BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES, AND 810,000 IN MACHINERY AND TOOLS TAXES.
AGAIN, TO SHOW THAT INCREASE AS MORE BUSINESSES ARE ADDED THE ANNUAL TAX REVENUE GOES UP.
THAT'S WHEN THE DATA CENTER WOULD COMMENCE OPERATIONS, AND THE MAJORITY OF THAT REVENUE IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY, THE TAXATION OF THE CAPITAL EQUIPMENT, THE SERVERS, AND ALL THAT.
NEXT, I WANTED TO PUT THIS IN COMPARISON TO YOUR 2024 BUDGET, TO SHOW WHAT THAT TAX REVENUE MEANS IN COMPARISON TO YOUR LOCAL EXPENDITURES.
THE FIRST COLUMN IS THE BUDGET ITEMS FROM THE 2024 BUDGET.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL THESE NUMBERS.
I'LL JUST TAKE THE AVERAGE ANNUAL REVENUE OVER 30 YEARS IN THE LAST COLUMN, BUT THAT 12 MILLION AVERAGE ANNUAL REVENUE IS, COMPARABLE TO APPROXIMATELY 15% OF YOUR TOTAL GENERAL FUND REVENUE, 24% OF YOUR GENERAL PROPERTY TAX REVENUE, 79% OF YOUR LOCAL EDUCATION EXPENDITURES, OR IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT THAT COULD MEAN.
ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT WAS, WE LOOKED AT YOUR REAL ESTATE TAX BASE, WHERE WHAT TYPES OF PROPERTIES DO YOU HAVE ON YOUR TAX ROLL? THAT'S BETWEEN FISCAL YEAR 2015 AND FISCAL YEAR 2025, AND THE LINE AT THE TOP THERE IN LIGHT BLUE, THAT'S YOUR INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
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AS YOU CAN SEE, BETWEEN 2015 AND 2025, THE PERCENTAGE OF YOUR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES AS A PROPORTION OF YOUR TOTAL REAL ESTATE TAX BASE DECREASED FROM 17.3%-16.3%.THEN THE RED PINK LINE, ON THE OTHER HAND, THAT'S THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT INCREASED FROM 73.2%-75.5% DURING THE SAME TIME.
OVERALL, I'LL SHOW YOU THE NEXT SLIDE.
THE OVERALL TAX REVENUE FROM YOUR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES.
THE REAL ESTATE TAXES WENT UP, OF COURSE, FROM 3.6-5.4 MILLION, AS DID YOUR TOTAL REAL ESTATE TAX REVENUE.
BUT IT IS THAT PROPORTION THAT REAL ESTATE IN YOUR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY MAKES, THE 17.3% IN 2015, GOING DOWN TO THE 16.3% IN 2025, JUST SHOWS THAT YOU OVERALL HAVE FEWER PROPERTIES THAT ARE PROVIDING REVENUE IN THAT SECTOR, AND YOU HAVE HIGHER AMOUNT IN RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT THE REVENUE.
AGAIN, IT'S THE REAL ESTATE TAX REVENUE IN YEAR 1, YEAR 30, AND AVERAGE ANNUAL REVENUE OVER 30 YEARS.
IF BASED ON YOUR CURRENT REAL ESTATE TAX BASE AND YOUR CURRENT TAX RATE OF $0.82, IF YOU TODAY WANTED TO GENERATE AN ADDITIONAL 2.3 MILLION IN REAL ESTATE TAX REVENUE, YOUR TAX RATE WOULD HAVE HAD TO BE $0.88.
IF YOU WANTED TO GENERATE TODAY AN ADDITIONAL 5.5 MILLION WITH THE CURRENT TAX BASE, YOUR TAX RATE WOULD HAVE HAD TO BE $0.96, OR IF YOU TAKE THAT YEAR 30, YOUR TAX RATE WOULD HAVE HAD TO BE $1.03 TO GENERATE THAT ADDITIONAL 8.5 MILLION WITH YOUR CURRENT TAX BASE.
TO SUM UP, THE INVESTMENTS IN WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD HELP ALLOW ADEQUATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND ASSUMING SUCCESSFUL ATTRACTION OF THESE ADDITIONAL BUSINESSES.
THESE NEW EMPLOYERS COULD HELP OFFSET SOME OF THE TRENDS IN YOUR COUNTY, WHICH INCLUDE THAT YOUR POPULATION IN HOUSEHOLDS ARE GROWING FASTER THAN YOUR EMPLOYMENT.
BETWEEN 2014 AND 2024, THE POPULATION IN PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY INCREASED BY 16.5% COMPARED TO 10.9% IN THE ENTIRE RICHMOND MSA, AND 6% STATEWIDE IN VIRGINIA.
SIMILARLY WITH THE HOUSEHOLDS, THE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS INCREASED IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY BY 17.2% COMPARED TO 13.7% IN THE MSA AND 10% STATEWIDE.
NOW, IF YOU TAKE THAT POPULATION AND HOUSEHOLD INCREASE TO 16.5% AND THE 17.2% IN YOUR COMMUNITY, YOUR TOTAL EMPLOYMENT BASE ONLY INCREASED BY 1.2% DURING THAT TIME.
YOUR INDUSTRY BASE IS NOT KEEPING UP WITH THE GROWTH IN YOUR POPULATION BASE.
THAT ALSO MEANS THAT ABOUT 90% OF YOUR RESIDENTS ACTUALLY COMMUTE OUT OF THE COUNTY.
THAT'S 2022 ESTIMATE, THAT'S THE LATEST WE HAD, BUT ONLY 10% OF YOUR RESIDENTS WORK AND LIVE IN THE COUNTY.
IF YOU WERE TO HAVE MORE EMPLOYERS, THE OPPORTUNITY WOULD INCREASE FOR THEM TO WORK IN THEIR OWN COMMUNITY, AND THEREFORE, ALSO SPEND MORE MONEY AND TIME IN THE COMMUNITY.
THE ADDITION OF THESE BUSINESSES WOULD ALSO HELP DIVERSIFY YOUR ECONOMY AND ADD THE WELL PAYING JOBS.
RIGHT NOW, THE MANUFACTURING SECTOR IS YOUR HIGHEST PAY EMPLOYMENT SECTOR, AND AS WE MODELED MULTIPLE EMPLOYERS IN THAT SECTOR, SO YOU WOULD ADD HIGH PAYING JOBS TO YOUR COMMUNITY.
AS SHOWN, ADDING MORE BUSINESSES WOULD BROADEN YOUR COUNTY'S TAX BASE.
THESE ADDITIONAL TAX REVENUES WOULD HELP FUND INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, LOCAL SERVICES FOR YOUR GROWING POPULATION, AND IT COULD REDISTRIBUTE THE TAX BURDEN FROM RESIDENTS TO BUSINESSES.
>> I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL WAIT UNTIL THE REST OF THE BOARD.
DOES ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS PRESENTATION? MR. PUGH, GO AHEAD.
JUST LOOKING TO CLARIFY, EVERY TIME I HEAR ABOUT THE POPULATION, I HEAR IT'S SOME OLDER GROWING RETIREMENT COMMUNITY.
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DID YOU ALL TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION WHEN COMPARING TO THE AMOUNT OF JOBS AS OFFERED IN THE COMMUTING AND ALL THAT?>> WE JUST LOOKED AT TOTAL POPULATION GROWTH.
>> IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE GOT 20,000 NEW PEOPLE, AND 15,000 OF THEM WERE RETIRED, WE DIDN'T TAKE THAT NUMBER INTO EFFECT WHEN WE DID THIS STUDY, CORRECT?
>> THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT AT THIS TIME.
>> I'M GOING TO SAY WHAT I THINK THE BIG MESSAGE I GOT OUT OF THIS PRESENTATION IS THAT WE'RE OVERBURDENING OUR RESIDENTIAL POPULATION IN TAXES BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE BUSINESS.
WE WANT THAT BUSINESS LINE TO BE HIGHER THAN THE RESIDENTIAL, I WOULD ASSUME. I KNOW I WOULD.
BUT I'M ASKING THAT AS A QUESTION, BECAUSE FROM WHAT I CLEARLY HEARD IS, BASED ON THE REVENUE THAT COMES IN FROM ASSESSMENTS, THE BIGGEST BURDEN IS ON THE TAXPAYERS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE BUSINESS SIDE YET TO OFFSET THAT.
>> CORRECT. YES. BUSINESSES PROVIDE REVENUE WITH FEWER DEMANDS ON YOUR LOCAL SERVICES.
EVERY RESIDENT, NO MATTER WHAT AGE, HAS A DEMAND FOR YOUR COUNTY SERVICES.
WHILE THEY BRING IN REVENUE FROM THOSE REAL ESTATE TAX REVENUE FROM THEIR HOMES, THEY ALSO SEND THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOLS OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, RETIREES, THEY USE LOCAL SERVICES.
HAVING BUSINESSES, IN ADDITION TO RESIDENTS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT BROADENS THE TAX BASE AND PROVIDES DIFFERENT TYPES OF REVENUE SOURCES.
>> PUTTING A MORATORIUM ON HOUSING, AND A MORATORIUM ON BRINGING IN NEW BUSINESS TO ME WOULD SOUND LIKE A KISS OF DEATH.
BECAUSE AGAIN, IF WE'RE NOT BRINGING IN NEW BUSINESS TO OFFSET THAT TAX BASE EVERY YEAR, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE OVERBURDENING THE TAXPAYER, THE CITIZENS, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GETTING THAT BUSINESS ENOUGH TO OFFSET THAT.
BUT AGAIN, THAT ALL TIES BACK TO INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE HAVE TO BE READY TO INVEST IN THAT TO ATTRACT THESE BUSINESSES IN.
>> JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I'M HEARING YOU PROPERLY.
OTHER QUICK? YES, SIR. GO AHEAD.
>> OUT OF THE BUSINESSES THAT WE LOOKED AT, WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT? A SEWER SYSTEM OR A WATER SYSTEM, TO RETAIN THOSE BUSINESSES, OR ARE THEY BOTH EQUALLY AS IMPORTANT?
>> I'M NOT THE EXPERT FOR THIS. I THINK.
>> IT VARIES. IT DEPENDS ON THE BUSINESS.
SOME, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, SERVICE CENTER METALS, USE MORE ON THE WATER SIDE THROUGH THEIR PROCESSES THAN SEWER.
IT JUST VARIES DEPENDING ON PROJECT, BUT I WOULD SAY IT'D BE MORE ON THE WATER SIDE.
>> I THINK IT'S BEYOND JUST THE BUSINESS, IT'S WHAT DO WE DO TO MAINTAIN AND GROW WITH WHAT WE HAVE, AS WELL AS BRING IN THE NEW? BECAUSE, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A BOTTLING PLANT, YOU'RE TALKING HEAVY WATER USAGE.
BUT IF YOU TALK ABOUT IN SOME OF THESE OTHER CASES, THERE'S BEEN A HIGH WASTEWATER NEED.
GO AHEAD, MR. WEBB, AND THEN I SEE MR. HOLTON.
>> WELL, I JUST WANT TO ADD TO IT, AND YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
WE'RE NOT DOING THAT WELL ON EITHER.
WE'RE HOLDING OUR OWN, BUT BARELY.
BUT LET'S JUST TAKE FOR PHARMACEUTICAL.
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THAT POTENTIAL PROCESS, WHICH WOULD BRING A LOT OF MACHINERY AND TOOL TAX AND JOBS, WOULD NEED MORE OF THE WASTEWATER SIDE, IS THAT CORRECT?
I DO KNOW CIVICA AND PHARMACEUTICALS IN PETERSBURG.
THEY DO REQUIRE WASTEWATER AND THOSE TREATMENTS WITH THOSE PROCESSES.
BUT YES, A PHARMACEUTICAL DOES, IF YOU'RE GOING THROUGH API AND ALL THAT, YOU DO USE A LOT OF SEWER.
>> THAT'S THE ONLY POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE.
IT'S A DELICATE BALANCE, AND WE'RE BASICALLY SHORT ON BOTH.
>> MR. HOLTON, DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING? I SAW YOU COME UP.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE TO ASK SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS REGARDING WATER AND SEWER, BUT TO ANSWER MR. PUGH'S QUESTION, WATER IS OBVIOUSLY ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE BIGGEST ISSUE.
BUT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES WITH WASTEWATER AS WELL.
AS WE ARE TALKING TO DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES ALL THE TIME, THERE ARE POTENTIAL AVENUES TO BE ABLE TO USE THE RECLAIMED WATER FROM A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, TO SERVE SOME OF THESE NEW BUSINESSES, SPECIFICALLY DATA CENTERS WHO DON'T NEED, FINISHED WATER, IF YOU WILL, FOR THEIR PROCESSING.
THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR BOTH.
>> THEY LIKE A REUSE OF CERTAIN WATER TYPE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
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>> I THINK IT'S IT FOR RIGHT NOW.
I'M SURE I'LL HAVE SOMETHING POP UP, BUT I'LL SEND AN EMAIL AND MAYBE WE'LL HAVE A SIT-DOWN LUNCH AND TALK SOME MORE.
>> WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
>> THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT, TOO.
>> NEXT UP IS OUR WALTON SCHOOL UPDATE, MR. JABRY.
THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE A QUICK UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE WITH WALTON PROPERTY SINCE STAFF PRESENTED ON MAY 27TH.
WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE DEWBERRY GROUP IN PREPARING A SCOPE AND SITE AND ENS PLANS TO BE IMPLEMENTED FOR AN INVITATION FOR BID.
DEWBERRY WILL BE ABLE TO HELP PROVIDE A TURN KEY IFB FOR THE DEMOLITION PLAN AND SPECIFICATIONS TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL DELIVERABLES, INCLUDING A TIMELINE, ABATEMENT, DECONSTRUCTION, ROUGH ORDER OF MAGNITUDE COSTS, AND INCLUDE ASSIGNMENT OF ABATEMENT OVERSIGHT BY A THIRD PARTY FOR THE FINAL IFB.
WE SHOULD HAVE THOSE DELIVERABLES IN THE MATTER OF WEEKS.
THEN WE ARE READY TO DEVELOP THE IFB.
ACCORDING TO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, WE SHOULD HAVE A PROCUREMENT OFFICER STARTING AUGUST 18TH, AND THIS SHOULD BE DRAFTED AND PUT UP FOR BIDS IN THE MATTER OF WEEKS AFTER THAT POINT.
THE CHOSEN BID WOULD BE BROUGHT THEN BACK FORTH TO THE BOARD FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
MR. INEZ, OUR GENERAL SERVICE DIRECTOR, IS HERE AS WELL, AND HE'S BEEN A GREAT HELP IN THE TIME BEING IN CRAFTING THIS AND HELPING ME WITH THIS PROJECT, SO I JUST WANTED TO THANK HIM.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE TO ANSWER THEM.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. JABRY? I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION RELATED TO THE WALTON.
NOT QUITE ON YOUR UPDATE, BUT THERE WAS A MEETING ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED TO TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE USE OF THAT PROPERTY.
I DO KNOW I SAW SOME THINGS WHERE PEOPLE SAID THAT THEY DIDN'T FEEL I WAS REALLY PUT OUT THERE UNTIL THEY JUST SAW THE NOTICE THAT IT WAS BEING CANCELED.
>> WE HAVE NOT RESCHEDULED THAT YET.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET THROUGH THESE IFB FIRST AND THEN WE COULD PROBABLY SET A DATE POSSIBLY FURTHER OUT IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
>> I JUST WANTED TO ASK THAT QUESTION.
>> NEXT IS OUR ENTERPRISE ZONE AMENDMENT PRESENTATION, AND THAT'S MS. KELLY GILLIAN.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TODAY. MY NAME IS KELLY GILLIAN.
I'M THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM SPECIALIST HERE IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.
THE MATTER THAT I'M BRINGING BEFORE THE BOARD TODAY IS ABOUT OUR ENTERPRISE ZONE AMENDMENTS.
THE VIRGINIA ENTERPRISE ONE INITIATIVE IS A COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, AIMED AT BOOSTING JOB CREATION AND INVESTMENT IN REAL PROPERTY.
THIS PROGRAM SEEKS TO STIMULATE ECONOMIC GROWTH AND REJUVENATE ECONOMICALLY CHALLENGED AREAS AT BOTH LOCAL AND REGIONAL LEVELS.
THE PROGRAM BEGAN IN 1982, WAS MODIFIED INTO THE VERSION OF THE PROGRAM IN 2005, AND VIRGINIA CURRENTLY HAS A TOTAL OF 45 ENTERPRISE ZONES ACROSS THE STATE.
YOU CAN SEE THOSE ON THE MAP HERE.
PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY HAS HAD AN ENTERPRISE ZONE SINCE 1990 WITH A RESOLUTION FOR THE CURRENT ENTERPRISE ZONE BEING APPROVED BY THE BOARD IN 2009.
PRINCE GEORGE HAS 3,754 ACRES SPANNING OVER TWO NON-CONTIGUOUS AREAS, AND THE ZONE IS MARKETED THROUGH BUSINESS RESOURCE MEETINGS, TRADE SHOWS, AND ONLINE CHANNELS.
THIS IS A MAP OF THE CURRENT ENTERPRISE ZONE, AND SOME OF THE MAJOR BUSINESSES OPERATING WITHIN IT.
YOU CAN SEE HERE WE HAVE THE LIKES OF PURDUE, GOYA FOODS, AMAZON, THE VACANT CROSS POINT FACILITY, AND A SECOND NON-CONTIGUOUS AREA IN THE EXIT 45 ZONE.
OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS, PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY HAS DISBURSED AROUND $3.6 MILLION IN LOCAL INCENTIVES, AN ADDITIONAL $1.8 MILLION COMING FROM THE STATE, WHILE COMPANIES HAVE INVESTED NEARLY $500 MILLION IN THE ZONE AND CREATED OVER 1,700 NEW JOBS.
THESE ARE JUST SOME NOTABLE PROJECTS WITHIN THE ZONE WE HAD PURDUE MULTIPLE SERVICE INTERMETAL EXPANSIONS, AND MOST RECENTLY, THE LEGO GROUP UPCOMING, WHICH IS $366 MILLION IN 305 NEW JOBS.
PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY IS ELIGIBLE FOR ENTERPRISE ZONE UNTIL 2043, AND IT MUST BE RENEWED EVERY FIVE YEARS.
WE'RE CURRENTLY ON OUR SECOND RENEWAL, WHICH WAS JUST APPROVED BY THE GOVERNOR IN DECEMBER OF 2024.
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LOCALITIES CAN SUBMIT AN APPLICATION TO AMEND THEIR ZONES ONCE EVERY 12 MONTHS.OUR ZONE IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY HAS NOT BEEN AMENDED SINCE 2009.
THERE ARE TWO STATE INCENTIVES CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT EVERY ZONE IN VIRGINIA, THE REAL PROPERTY INVESTMENT GRANT AND THE JOB CREATION GRANT.
THE REAL PROPERTY INVESTMENT GRANT OFFSETS THE HARD CONSTRUCTION EXPENSES, OFFERING GRANTS OF UP TO 20% OF THE REAL QUALIFIED PROPERTY INVESTMENT, AND THE JOB CREATION GRANT ENCOURAGES THE ESTABLISHMENT OF FULL TIME EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES WITH COMPENSATION, EXCEEDING THE MINIMUM WAGE, OFFERING UP TO $800 PER YEAR FOR EACH NEW JOB CREATED.
THESE ARE THE CURRENT INCENTIVES THAT WE OFFER ON THE LOCAL LEVEL.
WE HAVE THE MACHINERY AND TOOLS TAX CREDIT, WHICH IS A REBATE OF 100% OF THE M&T TAX PAID OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD.
THE BUSINESS LICENSE TAX CREDIT, WHICH IS A REBATE OF 100% OF BUSINESS LICENSE TAX FEES PAID OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, THE REZONING FEE WAIVER, WHICH ALLOWS BUSINESSES TO REZONE THEIR PROPERTY AT NO COST TO THEM, AND A WATER AND SEWER CONNECTION FEE DISCOUNT, WHICH IS A 50% DISCOUNT OFFERED FOR UTILITY CONNECTION FEES, TOTALING NO MORE THAN $200,000.
AS I SAID BEFORE, THE LOCAL INCENTIVES HAVE NOT BEEN AMENDED SINCE 2009 SO IN ORDER TO KEEP UP WITH THE CURRENT BUDGETARY AND OPERATIONAL NEEDS OF THE COUNTY, THE DEPARTMENT IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENTS.
FOR THE MACHINERY AND TOOLS TAX CREDIT, WE WOULD LIKE TO REDUCE FROM 100% REBATE FOR A PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS TO A 50% REBATE FOR A PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS.
THIS WILL INCREASE THE TAX REVENUE TO THE GENERAL FUND.
THE WATER AND SEWER CONNECTION FEES, WE WOULD LIKE TO ADJUST FROM 50% OF THE CONNECTION FEES BETWEEN $10,000 AND $200,000 TO 50% OF THE CONNECTION FEES UP TO $5,000 TO HELP OFFSET CONNECTION COSTS, WHICH WILL INCREASE REVENUE TO UTILITIES TO EASE BUDGET CONSTRAINTS AND HELP US FUND THESE UTILITY RELATED PROJECTS THAT WE SO DESPERATELY NEED IN THE COUNTY.
THE RESULTING FEE WAIVER, WE WOULD LIKE TO NO LONGER OFFER THIS INCENTIVE AT ALL.
THIS WILL INCREASE REVENUE TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND HELP EASE THEIR BUDGET CONSTRAINTS.
INSTEAD, WE WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE THAT INCENTIVE WITH AN ACCELERATED PERMITTING PROCESS.
THIS IS BASED ON FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED FROM COMPANIES THAT THEY'RE MUCH MORE CONCERNED WITH THE TIMING OF PERMITTING THAN THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
WE'VE EVEN HAD BUSINESSES IN THE PAST ASK IF THEY COULD JUST PAY THE FEES IN EXCHANGE FOR A QUICKER TURNAROUND.
WE BELIEVE THAT THIS INCENTIVE CHANGE WILL INCREASE THE APPEAL OF OUR ENTERPRISE ZONE TO PROSPECTIVE COMPANIES.
IN ADDITION TO THE INCENTIVES, WE'RE LOOKING TO AMEND THE BOUNDARIES AS WELL.
EACH LOCALITY HAS ALLOWED 3,840 ACRES AND UP TO THREE NON-CONTIGUOUS AREAS.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE 3,754 ACRES AND TWO NON-CONTIGUOUS AREAS SO WE'RE PROPOSING THAT WE ADD TWO NEW PARCELS TO THE ZONE AND BRINGING THE UTILIZED ACREAGE TO 03,824 AND ADD ONE NEW NON-CONTIGUOUS AREA AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE OUTLINED IN PURPLE.
THE FIRST SITE WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD IS THE FORMER WALTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL SITE.
THIS WOULD UTILIZE THE REMAINING NON-CONTIGUOUS AREA AND ADD AN ADDITIONAL 16 ACRES TO THE ZONE.
THIS SITE IS ADJACENT TO 44 PLUS ADDITIONAL ACRES BEING MARKETED FOR COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL USE.
IT'S ALSO 2.4 MILES FROM THE SITE OF THE NEW PETERSBURG CASINO SO THIS SITE IS GOING TO BE A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY, AND ADDING THIS PARCEL TO THE ENTERPRISE ZONE WILL HELP TO ENCOURAGE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AT THIS SITE.
THE SECOND SITE IS THE MASSENBURG SITE.
WE RECEIVED A FORMAL REQUEST FROM THE LAND OWNERS FOR THIS PARCEL TO BE ADDED.
IT WOULD ADD AN ADDITIONAL 54.65 ACRES TO THE ZONE AND WOULD BE CONSIDERED PART OF AN EXISTING CONTIGUOUS AREA.
IT'S CURRENTLY BEING MARKETED TO BE SOLD FOR COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL USE THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR THIS PARCEL AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS FOR COMMERCIAL USE.
ADDING THIS PARCEL TO THE ZONE WILL ENCOURAGE A COMMERCIAL USER TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE GOALS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
LASTLY, WE'D LIKE TO ADOPT A LOCAL ORDINANCE.
WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE AN ORDINANCE FOR OUR ENTERPRISE ZONE, SO CREATING AN ORDINANCE WILL ENSURE CONSISTENCY IN ENFORCING ZONE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS OVER TIME.
WE'LL AID IN ESTABLISHING PROPER PROCEDURE FOR THE ADMINISTRATION OF INCENTIVES AND ENSURE THESE PROCEDURES ARE FOLLOWED IT WILL ESTABLISH THAT ALL LOCAL INCENTIVES SHOULD BE RAN THROUGH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.
TO GO OVER A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS.
THE PROCESS IS OUTLINED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
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FIRST, THEY REQUIRE THAT YOU MEET WITH THEM TO DISCUSS PLANS TO MODIFY INCENTIVES AND BOUNDARY LINES.WE'VE ALREADY DONE SO, AND THEY'VE GIVEN US THE GO AHEAD TO BRING IT BEFORE YOU ALL.
THEN WE WOULD ADVERTISE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.
ONCE IT'S APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WE WOULD SUBMIT AN AMENDMENT APPLICATION TO DHCD.
ONCE THAT'S PROCESSED AND APPROVED BY DHCD, IT WOULD BE RETROACTIVE BACK TO JANUARY 1ST OF THE YEAR IN WHICH IT WAS APPROVED.
IDEALLY, WE WOULD AIM TO HAVE THE AMENDMENT APPLICATION SUBMITTED TO DHCD BY MID DECEMBER, WHICH WOULD PUT US APPROVED AND IN EFFECT FOR JANUARY OF 2026.
OUR REQUEST TODAY IS CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD TO ALLOW THE DEPARTMENT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AMENDING THE BOUNDARY AND INCENTIVES, AS WELL AS ADOPTING A WRITTEN ORDINANCE FOR THE ENTERPRISE.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANY BOARD MEMBERS?
>> YES, SIR. GO AHEAD, MR. WEBB.
>> I KNOW IN YEARS PAST IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A COMPETITIVE MARKET WITH OTHER LOCALITIES WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO COMPETE FOR BUSINESS.
I'VE TALKED TO MR. REED ABOUT THIS MORE THAN ONE TIME.
EVEN TO THE POINT THAT WE'VE GOTTEN PRESSURE FROM THE STATE OR I HAVE TO REQUEST ADDITIONAL MEETINGS WITH THE GOVERNOR BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO EXTEND A FIVE YEAR CURRENT PRACTICE TO SEVEN TO 10 YEARS WITH THE POTENTIAL THAT WE'D MAKE MORE MONEY, WE'D MAKE IT ON THE OTHER END.
I THINK A LOT OF HEARTBURN WITH PEOPLE THAT I KNEW OF AND THAT I SAW WAS WE DID THAT WITH ROLLS ROYCE, WHICH IT'S NOTHING CLOSE TO WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW.
WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS SINCE ROLLS ROYCE, BUT THEY WENT RIGHT UP TO THE LIMIT.
WE HAD NO CLAWBACK, AND WE GOT THE FIRST YEAR OF MACHINERY AND TOOL TAX FROM THEM ON THEIR FIRST BILL, AND I THINK IT WAS SOMEWHERE IN THE NATURE OF 425,000 AND THEY ANNOUNCED THEY WERE CLOSING.
HOW DOES THIS PUT US COMPETITIVELY WITH THE OTHER LOCALITIES? BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT TO HAVE SIMILAR PROCESSES IF THEY'RE GOING TO COMPETE FOR THESE BUSINESSES, NOT INCLUDING THE WATER AND SEWER AND ANY OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE THEY MAY NEED.
>> I BELIEVE HOPEWELL PETERSBURG HAS ENTERPRISE ZONES.
I DO BELIEVE THEY ARE EITHER ADOPTED A TECHNOLOGY ZONE OR SOMETHING SIMILAR LOCALLY.
SURY DOES NOT, AND I DON'T BELIEVE COLONIAL HEIGHTS DOES.
THIS PRESENTATION WAS MORE OF A CREATING A FORMALITY AND CREATING A PROCESS, AND ALSO DUE TO BUDGET CONSTRAINTS TWEAKING SOME OF THE INCENTIVES THAT'S ALLOWED.
IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT, WE FOUND THAT WE ARE NOT UTILIZING OUR TOTAL ACREAGE FOR ENTERPRISE ZONE THROUGH STATE CODE, SO THOSE WERE THE REASONS WHY WE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD TO THE BOARD.
BUT I BELIEVE WE ARE COMPETING COMPETITIVELY.
SITE SELECTION ENTAILS A LOT OF VARIABLES IN WHEN THEY SELECT A CERTAIN SITE, AND INCENTIVES BEING ONE OF THEM, BUT I THINK THAT IS AN ADDED BENEFIT, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT SMALL BUSINESSES AS WELL THAT CAN CAPITALIZE ON THIS SO WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT AS WELL.
>> I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH IT. I'M GOOD.
>> ANYONE ELSE? I THINK THESE ARE GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS.
AS WE HEARD FROM THE MAGNUM STUDY, WE'RE DOING 100% SO THE 50% WOULD HELP US OUT EVEN MORE.
I FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT GIVING EVERYTHING AWAY.
BECAUSE IN RIGHT NOW THAT FIRST FIVE YEARS, IT'S 100% ON THEIR TAX BASE AND AT LEAST NOW IT'S 50.
I LIKE THE THINGS THAT WERE PRESENTED IN THIS TONIGHT.
I THINK THEY'RE A GOOD WAY TO DO IT.
I LIKE THE FAST TRACK THROUGH THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT.
I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID, I'VE HEARD SOME BUSINESSES THAT DIDN'T MIND PAYING.
THEY JUST WANTED THE PROCESS TO BE QUICKER.
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR JUST A CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD TO MOVE FORWARD.
THERE'S STILL A PROCESS THAT WE GOT TO WORK THROUGH, BUT THEY'RE JUST LOOKING TONIGHT FROM A CONSENSUS FROM THIS BOARD JUST TO SAY, HEY, LOOK, WE WANT TO KEEP WORKING ON THIS, AND WE'LL BE BRINGING IT BACK TO YOU.
>> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEM WORKING ON IT BECAUSE IT'LL COME BACK TO US ANYWAY.
>> YES, I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD.
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I THINK YOU HAVE A CONSENSUS TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD AND KEEP WORKING ON THIS, AND I'M SURE YOU'LL BE BRINGING THINGS BACK TO US AS NEED BE FOR US TO ADDRESS.>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE NOW AT OUR ORDER OF BUSINESS,
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AND WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THE FISCAL 26 VEHICLE REPLACEMENT PLAN, AND WE'LL BE HEARING FROM MR. CHRIS TALMAGE WHO IS OUR FLEET MANAGER?>> GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN BROWN. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT THE FY26 VEHICLE REPLACEMENT RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE'LL START OFF WITH A QUICK RECAP OF FY25 OF A REVIEW AND FY26 PROPOSALS.
THESE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE DECIDED UPON FROM MEMBERS FROM ADMIN, FINANCE, AND FLEET.
THE RECAP ON FY25, WE PURCHASED FIVE MARKED POLICE DEPARTMENT VEHICLES, ONE MARKED SHERIFF VEHICLE, ONE FIRE COMMAND VEHICLE, AND ONE USED SUV.
WE ROTATED A VEHICLE FROM ADMIN TO POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE ALSO ATTEMPTED TO PURCHASE ONE USED SUV FOR THE POOL.
HOWEVER, WE CAME UP WITH INSUFFICIENT FUNDS.
THOSE FUNDS WERE USED FOR OTHER PUBLIC SAFETY VEHICLE NEEDS.
FY25 ACTIONS, WE CONTINUED MOVING AHEAD WITH THE POOL ARRANGEMENT.
USING KEYVALET FOR 10 VEHICLES, WE DISPOSED OF TWO VEHICLES AND PURCHASED ONE USED VAN IN 2024.
POLICE, FIRE, AND SEVERAL OTHER DEPARTMENTS WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS POOL ARRANGEMENT DUE TO SPECIAL EQUIPMENT OR OTHER FUNDING STREAMS. I LIKE TO COVER SOME OF THE POOL USAGE TO GIVE YOU A SMALL HISTORY FOR THOSE THAT ARE UNAWARE OF THE POOLED ARRANGEMENT.
THIS HAS BEEN RECENTLY IMPLEMENTED.
THE GRAPH WE HAVE UP NOW SHOWS THE NUMBER OF RESERVATIONS SINCE OCTOBER OF 2024.
ON THIS GRAPH, THE SEDANS ARE THE HIGHEST USED VEHICLES, MAINLY DUE TO BEING USED FOR RUNNING LOCAL ERRANDS INSTEAD OF LONGER TRIPS.
THIS GRAPH SHOWS THE TOTAL MILEAGE SINCE IMPLEMENTATION.
THE SUVS HAVE BEEN DRIVEN THE MOST MILES, MAINLY FOR TRAINING, GOING TO CONFERENCES, OUT OF TOWN TRAVEL, ETC.
SEDANS, AGAIN, WERE RUN MOSTLY FOR DAILY ERRANDS LOCAL, SO THEY DID NOT ACCRUE AS MUCH MILEAGE.
THE TRUCK AND VAN ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY DEPARTMENT THEY MAY NEED WHEN NEEDED.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE 10 POOL VEHICLES PLUS ONE IT VEHICLE TO TOTAL 11 VEHICLES.
THE IT EXPLORER WAS WITHHELD DUE TO AGE AND CONDITION WHEN WE IMPLEMENTED THE POOL.
WE RECOMMEND SURPLUSSING THE FIVE HIGHLIGHTED VEHICLES DUE TO AGE, UTILIZATION, AND/OR CONDITION.
WE'D LIKE TO PURCHASE TWO SUVS, WHICH WILL RESULT IN AN OVERALL REDUCTION OF THREE VEHICLES FROM THE COUNTY FLEET.
THIS WILL ALSO PROVIDE MORE RELIABLE AND SAFER VEHICLES FOR THE MOST UTILIZED VEHICLE TYPE.
FOR SUPPORT, WE'VE PRESENTED OR PROVIDED TWO LISTINGS OF COUNTY VEHICLES.
LIST A LISTS ALL ACTIVE COUNTY VEHICLES, FIRE APPARATUS, AND TRAILERS, WHEREAS REPORT B EXCLUDES FIRE AND FEMS APPARATUS, SPECIALTY VEHICLES FOR FIRE AND FEMS AND TRAILERS.
REPORT B IS ALSO SORTED BY TYPE THEN AGE, SO WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON REPORT B.
HERE WE HAVE THE FIVE POLICE DEPARTMENT VEHICLES THAT WE'VE SELECTED TO REPLACE FOR FY26.
[NOISE] AS YOU CAN SEE, MOST OF THEM ARE HIGHER MILEAGE.
ONE VEHICLE, THE FOURTH ONE DOWN VEHICLE 46, WAS A TOTALED VEHICLE AND AN ACCIDENT THAT WAS NOT COVERED BY INSURANCE DUE TO ONLY BEING COVERED BY LIABILITY BY AGE.
HERE WE HAVE THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT VEHICLES.
WE HAVE SEVERAL VEHICLES THAT ARE SHOWING SIGNS OF AGE AND HIGH MILEAGE.
FIFTY-EIGHT IS NEARLY 14-YEARS-OLD AND IS THE OLDEST MARKED UNIT, AND 91 HAS NEARLY 170,000 MILES.
THESE ARE THE TWO VEHICLES WE'D LIKE TO REPLACE FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
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HERE ARE THE PRELIMINARY COST ESTIMATES FOR VEHICLE PURCHASE RECOMMENDATIONS, 2025 VEHICLES ARE IN STOCK AT A CONTRACTED VENDOR.THE VISA CONTRACT PRICING WILL NOT BE RELEASED UNTIL OCTOBER.
IF WE WAIT FOR FY26 VEHICLES, WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT FOR PURCHASE UNTIL AT LEAST OCTOBER, THEN WAIT FOR THE VEHICLES TO BE MANUFACTURED BEFORE THEY CAN BE DELIVERED.
IF WE PURCHASE THE END STOCK UNITS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE UNIT THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING MANUFACTURED, WE CAN TAKE DELIVERY OF THESE VEHICLES AS SOON AS THEY'RE APPROVED.
ALL VEHICLES ARE ON HOLD FOR PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.
THE FIGURES IN BLUE ARE FY25 COSTS OR ESTIMATES DUE TO CONTINUOUS PRICE INCREASES IN TARIFFS.
THE SLIDE ALSO SHOWS A BUDGET TRANSFER, IF APPROVED FROM FUEL FOCUS AND KEYVALET SAVINGS.
[NOISE] THE FUNDING REQUESTS ARE TO ADOPT THE 26 CIP BUDGET TRANSFER FOR VEHICLES.
THE REQUESTED AMOUNT FOR PURCHASES IS AN ESTIMATE OF $497,584.
THE TRANSFER FROM OTHER CIP PROJECT SAVINGS OF $61,853 IS REQUESTED.
IF APPROVED, THERE WILL BE APPROXIMATELY $14,000 REMAINING TO COVER PRICE INCREASES, IF NECESSARY.
FINAL TAKEAWAYS, A SIMPLIFIED VERSION OF THE REQUEST.
WE'D LIKE TO REPLACE FIVE POLICE VEHICLES WITH FIVE NEW SUVS, REPLACE TWO SHERIFF VEHICLES WITH TWO NEW SUVS, AND SURPLUS FIVE POOL VEHICLES AND PURCHASE TWO RESULTING IN AN OVERALL REDUCTION OF THREE VEHICLES.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. TALMAGE?
>> JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE, THE FUEL FOCUS WAS THE PROGRAM THAT WE PUT IN WHERE WHEN VEHICLES NEED TO BE REFUELED, YOU HAVE TO SWIPE, IT'S TRACKED AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.
YOU MENTIONED NOW THERE'S A COST SAVINGS THAT'S BEEN OBTAINED OR BECAUSE OF THAT, WE'VE SEEN A COST SAVINGS IN THAT, AND THEN THE VALET HAS.
BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR TONIGHT IS THE 450,000 THAT WE HAD APPROVED ALREADY AS PART OF THE BUDGET, AND YOU'D LIKE US TO DO THIS TRANSFER OF $61,000.
>> ANY QUESTIONS, BOARD MEMBERS, IF NOT, I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION, PLEASE?
>> SO IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. WEBB AND SECOND BY MR. COX THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THE BUDGET TRANSFER WITHIN CIP FUND OF $61,853.42.
THIS IS FOR THE FISCAL 26 VEHICLE REPLACEMENT PLAN PURCHASE.
YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? [NOISE] MRS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
>> MOTION CARRIED. THANK YOU, SIR.
>> ITEM NUMBER 2 UNDER ORDER OF BUSINESS IS A RESOLUTION FOR FISCAL 2026 BUDGET TRANSFER WITHIN THE CIP FUND, AND THIS IS FROM COURTROOM RENOVATION PROJECT SAVINGS, AND THIS WILL BE MISS BETSY DREWRY AND MR. INEZ, IF NEED BE.
>> AS YOU MENTIONED, SIR, THIS IS A RESOLUTION FOR A BUDGET TRANSFER WITHIN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT FUND FROM THE COURTHOUSE RENOVATION PROJECT SAVINGS TOWARD ADDRESSING A WATER INFILTRATION ISSUE IN THE COURTHOUSE.
ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WATER IS INFILTRATING THE BUILDING STRUCTURE DUE TO LANDSCAPING ACTUALLY PITCHES TOWARD THE BUILDING.
WE'VE IDENTIFIED A PROBLEM WITHIN THE LOWER FLOOR OF THE GIL CELLS.
WE STARTED SEEING SOME EPOXY ON THE FLOORING AND THE COVE BASE COMING APART.
INMATES WERE ACTUALLY PICKING THOSE OFF OF THE WALL, AND OBVIOUSLY POTENTIAL SAFETY ISSUE FOR THE INMATES SAFETY AND SAFETY OF OTHER INMATES.
THE BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE INFILTRATION OF THE WATER INTO THE STRUCTURE, CAUSING CONTINUAL DEGRADATION OF THE STRUCTURE ITSELF.
WE RECEIVED A PROPOSAL FROM CENTENNIAL CONTRACTORS ENTERPRISES WORKING.
THEY PROVIDED A COOPERATIVE SOURCE WELL CONTRACT PROPOSAL FOR $49,992.76, WHICH IS UNDER THE $50,000 MARK FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO APPROVE THIS.
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STAFF IS RECOMMENDING AN AWARD TO CENTENNIAL CONTRACTORS TO PERFORM THIS WORK.CURRENTLY, THERE'S NO IDENTIFIED FUNDING SOURCE FOR THIS PROJECT, AND STAFF IS REQUESTING A BUDGET TRANSFER WITHIN THE CIP FUND, FROM SAVINGS REALIZED IN THE COURTROOM RENOVATION PROJECT.
THE AVAILABLE BALANCE IN THAT PROJECT ACCOUNT IS $268,068.83.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE TRANSFER OF THE $49,992.75.
WE'VE PROVIDED THE BOARD WITH A COPY OF CENTENNIAL CONTRACTORS PROPOSAL IN ADDITION TO THE DRAFT RESOLUTION FOR THE CIP BUDGET TRANSFER.
WE'RE REQUESTING THAT THE CIP BUDGET TRANSFER BE APPROVED.
THIS WILL ALLOW STAFF TO MOVE AHEAD WITH CORRECTIVE MEASURES TO ADDRESS THE COURTHOUSE WATER INFILTRATION ISSUE.
>> BOARD MEMBERS, YOU'VE HEARD THE PRESENTATION.
>> I GUESS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS THIS IS FOR US TO APPROVE THE TRANSFER, BUT DO WE NEED TO AUTHORIZE YOU.
>> IT'S UNDER 50. WE DON'T HAVE TO AUTHORIZE HIM TO DO THIS SIGNING BECAUSE IT'S UNDER 50K.
>> BOARD MEMBERS, THIS IS FOR US TO APPROPRIATE BUSINESS TRANSFER FROM THE COURTROOM RENOVATION OF $49,992.76? IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION, PLEASE?
>> IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. WEBB AND SECOND BY MR. COX, THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION FOR THE BUDGET TRANSFER FROM THE COURTROOM RENOVATION PROJECT SAVINGS TO ADDRESS THE COURTHOUSE WATER INFILTRATION ISSUE FOR VALUE OF $49,992.76.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? MRS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
>> YOU'RE WELCOME, SIR. ITEM NUMBER 3 IS A RESOLUTION FOR AWARD OF CONTRACT FOR ELECTRICAL SERVICES FOR UTILITIES, AND THIS WILL BE MR. FRANK HOLTON, WHO IS OUR DIRECTOR OF UTILITIES AND ENGINEERING.
>> GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN BROWN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
MR. STOKE. WE DID ISSUE A INVITATION FOR BIDS THAT WAS DUE ON JULY 18TH.
WE DID RECEIVE THREE BIDS FOR ELECTRICAL SERVICES.
IF AWARDED, THESE CONTRACTS WILL BE GOOD FOR ONE YEAR WITH THE ABILITY TO RENEW THOSE CONTRACTS FOR ADDITIONAL FOUR TIMES FOR ONE YEAR PERIODS.
THE THREE BIDS THAT WE RECEIVE ARE ALL RESPONSIVE.
ANY PROJECTS IN EXCESS OF $50,000 STILL HAS TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD FOR APPROVAL.
THEN WE ALSO STILL RETAINED THE RIGHT TO STILL PROCURE PROJECTS EXCEEDING $50,000 INDIVIDUALLY WITHOUT USING THESE FIRMS IF NECESSARY.
THE IFP DID ALLOW US THE ABILITY TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE AVAILABLE, SHOULD ONE VENDOR BE NOT AVAILABLE TO ADDRESS EMERGENCY SERVICES.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO AWARD THIS TO TWO VENDORS, THAT WOULD BE TO MCRAE ELECTRIC COMPANY, AS WELL AS FRAZIER ELECTRICAL.
AWARDING THESE CONTRACTS WILL ALLOW US TO QUICKLY ADDRESS ELECTRICAL ISSUES FOR OUR PUMP STATIONS, WATER STATIONS, SHOULD THEY BE AN EMERGENCY NEED.
WE CAN QUICKLY GET THEM HIRED AND OUT THERE TO FIX ANY ISSUES THAT WE HAVE.
WE DO RECOMMEND RESOLUTION TO AWARD THESE ANNUAL CONTRACTS FOR ELECTRICAL SERVICES TO MCRAE ELECTRICAL COMPANY AND FRAZIER ELECTRICAL.
>> BOARD MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HOLTON?
>> IF NOT, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION, PLEASE.
>> MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE FRAZIER ELECTRICAL AND MCRAE ELECTRIC.
>> IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. COX AND SECOND BY MRS. WAYMACK, [NOISE] THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION FOR AN AWARD OF CONTRACT.
THIS WOULD BE FOR OUR AWARD OF ANNUAL CONTRACT FOR THE ELECTRICAL SERVICES TO MCRAE UTILITIES AND TO FRAZIER.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? MRS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> MOTION CARRIED. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'M GOING TO ASK MR. STOKE TO READ SOMETHING AS PART OF OUR BYLAWS.
THEN, BOARD MEMBERS, BECAUSE I'VE HAD A REQUEST TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO HAVE SOME INPUT ON THIS ITEM, WE WOULD NEED TO THEN VOTE ON THIS TO ALLOW INPUT JUST SPECIFIC TO THIS ONE ITEM.
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ARE YOU PREPARED TO READ IT OR.>> IF YOU'RE PREPARED, GO FOR ANYTHING.
>> I THINK I AM. MR. CHAIRMAN, UNDER SECTION 9B OF THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BYLAWS, THE BYLAWS AND RULES OF PROCEDURE MAY BE SUSPENDED FOR AN INDIVIDUAL AGENDA ITEM PRIOR TO ITS CONSIDERATION BY A UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THE FULL BOARD.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS UNDER ITEM 4, UTILITY WASTEWATER SOLUTION, WOULD BE ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENTS UNDER THE SAME RULES AS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS TOPIC ONLY.
I WOULD BE UNDER THE CONSIDERATION OF THE BOARD, IF IT SO CHOOSES, A UNANIMOUS VOTE IS NEEDED TO SUSPEND THE BYLAWS AND RULES OF PROCEDURE IN ORDER TO HOLD SUCH PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM.
>> BOARD MEMBERS, I NEED A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE BYLAWS TO ALLOW PUBLIC INPUT SPECIFIC TO THIS ITEM ON THE UTILITIES WASTEWATER SOLUTION.
>> IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. WEBB AND SECOND BY MRS. WAYMACK THAT WE WOULD SUSPEND THE BYLAWS TO ALLOW PUBLIC INPUT SPECIFIC TO THIS ONE ITEM TO ALLOW PUBLIC INPUT INTO THE UTILITY'S WASTEWATER SOLUTION.
ARE YOU READY FOR THE QUESTION? MRS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL?
>> THAT MOTION IS CARRIED, SO THE BYLAWS HAVE BEEN SUSPENDED IN REGARDS TO THIS ONE ITEM.
NOW WE CAN GO INTO THE PRESENTATION OF THIS UTILITIES WASTEWATER SOLUTION.
>> IF I MAY ASK, IS IT POSSIBLE TO ELIMINATE THE LIGHTS UP THERE? THERE WE GO. I CAN SEE THAT CLEAR, MY POOR EYES. THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THIS BACK TO YOU.
I WANT TO GIVE YOU A QUICK ROAD-MAP OF WHERE WE'RE HEADING TO TRY TO ADDRESS OUR COMMUNITY GROWTH.
WE ARE CURRENTLY IN PHASE 2, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING PRIMARILY ABOUT PHASE 2 AND 3 HERE TONIGHT.
BUT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH PHASE 1, TO SOME EXTENT AT LEAST FROM A UTILITY PERSPECTIVE.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS PHASE 1, UTILITIES MASTER PLAN IS PHASE 2.
WE ARE CURRENTLY ASSESSING OUR OPTIONS FOR WASTEWATER, AND THEN WHEN WE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A POTENTIAL FUNDING PLAN HERE AT THE END AS WELL.
BUT AFTER THAT, OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE IMPLEMENTATION, BUT WE ALWAYS WANTED TO COME BACK AND MONITOR AND EVALUATE HOW WE GOT HERE AND ANY POTENTIAL ADJUSTMENTS WE NEED TO MAKE AS WE GO ALONG.
BUT QUICKLY, GETTING INTO PHASE 1, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT IS A LONG-RANGE PLAN TRYING TO OUTLINE HOW WE'RE GOING TO GROW AS A COMMUNITY.
THAT IS UNDER DEVELOPMENT THERE IS A FOCUS ON COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL GROWTH WHILE STILL PRESERVING THE REAL CHARACTER.
THAT, AGAIN, IS A ROAD-MAP FOR DEVELOPERS THAT WANT TO COME TO THIS COMMUNITY AND BRING ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT.
WE GIVE THEM THE GUIDELINES ON HOW THEY'RE GOING TO INSTALL THE NEW INFRASTRUCTURE.
THAT'S WHAT THAT MASTER PLAN IS INTENDED TO DO.
IT DOES IDENTIFY THE WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THAT GROWTH.
AGAIN, THE MASTER PLAN DOES RECOMMEND A NEW WATER PLANT AND A WASTEWATER SOLUTION TO SUPPORT THAT GROWTH.
IN REALITY, IF YOU GO THROUGH THAT MASTER PLAN, IT DOES MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE NEED TO BEGIN SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN WORKING TOWARDS THOSE PLANTS AND WASTEWATER SOLUTION ALMOST IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE AS WE POINTED OUT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, OUR CAPACITIES FOR BOTH WATER AND WASTEWATER ARE VERY LOW RIGHT NOW AND DOES NOT SUPPORT THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL GROWTH FOR THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE COMPLETED THE MASTER PLAN.
IT WAS INTRODUCED TO THE BOARD IN JULY, AND THESE PLANS, AGAIN, WILL CONTINUE TO BE REVIEWED AND UPDATED THROUGH THE YEARS.
THERE IS TYPICALLY A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD WHERE WE COME BACK AND REVIEW THESE PLANS AND PRESENT THEM TO THE BOARD IF THERE ARE ANY UPDATES THAT ARE RECOMMENDED.
IN PHASE 2, WE PRESENTED TO THIS BOARD MULTIPLE OPTIONS IN THE PAST.
AGAIN, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE 2020, 2021, AND WE HEARD SOME OF THE COST EARLIER, HOW THOSE HAVE CHANGED BUT IF WE DO MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO, WE AGAIN WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MEET OUR DEMANDS FOR THE MANY INDUSTRIAL PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY LOST.
AGAIN, WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOSE THAT INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THE TAX REVENUES THAT THEY BRING TO THE COUNTY THAT WOULD HELP US DIVERSIFY THAT TAX BASE.
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LOOKING AT THE SUSSEX SERVICE AUTHORITY AND THE RECENT INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED, THAT MAY NOT BE A VIABLE OPTION MOVING FORWARD, AT LEAST THEY'RE CONSIDERING TO PRIVATIZE THAT PLANT.IF THEY HAVE A PROCESS THEY'RE GOING THROUGH, THAT MAY TAKE A LOT LONGER THAN IT WOULD BE FOR US TO ACHIEVE THE AGREEMENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR WITHIN EIGHT WEEKS TO MAINTAIN THE VBRSP GRANT.
THAT MAY STILL BE AN OPTION IF THE GRANT IS NO LONGER BEING CONSIDERED.
FOR THE MOMENT, WE ARE CONSIDERING THE HOPEWELL WATER RENEWAL FACILITY, AS WELL AS A NEW WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IN SUSSEX COUNTY.
THAT OPTION HAS BEEN PRESENTED AS A MEMO TO THE BOARD AT TIMES.
WE ALSO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ABOUT THE POTENTIAL COSTS OF A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, A NEW PLANT IN SUSSEX COUNTY, BEING RELATIVELY THE SAME COST AS THE OPTION TO USE SUSSEX SERVICE AUTHORITY.
I PUT UP HERE SOME OF THE SAME INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN PRESENTED BEFORE IN THE PAST, BUT I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THESE AGAIN.
HOPEWELL WATER RENEWAL, IN THE PROS, OBVIOUSLY, IT'S A SLIGHTLY LOWER UPFRONT CAPITAL COST TO SEND OUR WASTEWATER TO HOPEWELL.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE CONS OF THAT IS THAT THERE ARE SOME SIGNIFICANT SEWER RATE INCREASES THAT WE DO ANTICIPATE.
KEEPING IN MIND THAT SEWER RATES WILL BE REFLECTED IN THE UTILITY BUDGET, NOT NECESSARILY THE UPFRONT CAPITAL COST THAT'S A COST THAT THE UTILITY BUDGET IS GOING TO HAVE TO ABSORB ALMOST IMMEDIATELY ONCE WE START SENDING THAT FLOW TO HOPEWELL.
WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT RATES, WE DO WANT TO CONSIDER THAT.
THE FUTURE CAPITAL COSTS COULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE YET.
WE KNOW THAT THE CAPACITY OF HOPEWELL IS 3.6 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
TO GO BEYOND 3.6 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY COULD REQUIRE A PLANT EXPANSION.
A PLANT EXPANSION OF THAT MAGNITUDE COULD BE A VERY LARGE COST, OF WHICH WE DON'T KNOW YET, BUT I'M GOING TO ASSUME IT'S GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT COST BEYOND WHAT WE WOULD SEE IN SUSSEX COUNTY.
VERY QUICKLY, SUSSEX COUNTY, THE PROS, OBVIOUSLY, THE RATES FOR IF WE BUILD OUR OWN PLANT, THE OPERATIONAL COST WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS.
WE COULD LOOK INTO A REGIONAL PARTNERSHIP WITH SUSSEX COUNTY TO ALLOW US TO OFFSET SOME OF THESE COSTS IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT'LL HELP US ADD REVENUES IF THEY'RE ALSO FLOWING INTO THE SAME PLANT, THEY WILL HELP OFFSET THE NEED FOR REVENUES.
THEN WE ARE ABLE TO GROW THAT PLANT IN A LOT MORE CONTROLLED PHASES.
WE CAN GO FROM A TWO MGD, WHICH IS OUR IMMEDIATE NEED, TO A FOUR TO A SIX TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND THAT PLANT MORE FEASIBLY, AS YOU WILL WANT TO DESIGN THAT IN THE BEGINNING TO ADDRESS THOSE FUTURE PHASES.
THE ONE CON IS THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE HIGHER UPFRONT CAPITAL COSTS.
THE COST TO BUILD A NEW PLANT IS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE LARGER FROM A ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT COMPARED TO THE HOPEWELL WATER RENEWAL COSTS.
AGAIN, SOME OF THE SAME INFORMATION YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE.
TO THE RIGHT OF THIS SCREEN, YOU COULD SEE WHAT THE PROBABLE COSTS WERE GOING TO BE AS A DEBT PAYMENT VERSUS THE ANNUAL OPERATING.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HIGHLIGHT AGAIN, THE ANNUAL OPERATING COSTS WILL BE REFLECTED IN THE UTILITIES BUDGET.
THE REST OF THAT WOULD BE THE DEBT PAYMENT.
THERE WILL BE POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS ON HOW WE COULD FUND THAT.
HOW WE GET THAT DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT OR THE CAPITAL FUNDS UP FRONT IS SOMETHING WE WILL BE DISCUSSING A BIT LATER IN THIS PRESENTATION, AS FAR AS HOW WE DEVELOP OUR FUNDING PLAN.
BUT I WANTED TO MENTION THAT AGAIN, THE PHASES THAT WE WENT THROUGH.
PHASE 1 FOR HOPEWELL, AN INCREASE OF TWO MGD TO THEIR PLANT, REQUIRES 10 MILES OF FORCE MAIN AND AN EXPANSION OF THEIR PRIMARY CLARIFIERS.
AGAIN, THAT WAS PRIMARILY DUE TO SOME OF THEIR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, WHERE THEY'RE HAVING CONTINUOUS ISSUES RIGHT NOW.
ALSO, THEY'RE FACING SOME POTENTIAL ADJUSTMENTS TO THEIR PERMIT FOR THE AMMONIA LIMITS.
THAT IS NOTHING THAT HOPEWELL IS DOING.
THAT'S JUST WHAT THE STATE IS DOING TO TRY TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF AMMONIA THAT'S BEING DISCHARGED INTO THE RIVER.
YOU CAN SEE THAT DEBT PAYMENT WOULD BE OVER 20 YEARS, AND THE TOTAL OPERATING COSTS THAT WOULD BE ADDED TO THE UTILITIES BUDGET OVER 20 YEARS.
YOU ADD THOSE TWO TOGETHER, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $133 MILLION INVESTMENT.
AGAIN, FOR A SUSSEX COUNTY WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, WE WOULD BUILD A 14-MILE FOREST MAIN TO SUSSEX COUNTY AND BUILD INITIALLY A TWO MGD PLANT, AND THAT COULD BE PHASED OUT AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, FOR FUTURE PHASES AS NEEDED.
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THE INITIAL DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT IS ROUGHLY AROUND 4.7 MILLION PER YEAR, VERSUS THE $1 MILLION OPERATING COST PER YEAR AS WELL, SO THE TOTAL INVESTMENT IS A LITTLE BIT LESS.PHASE 3: DEVELOPING A FUNDING PLAN.
IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP ALREADY TODAY, EARLIER IN THE MEETING.
THE ORIGINAL FUNDING PLAN WAS FOR A $32 MILLION UTILITY BOND, AND THAT WAS FOR OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT LOCATED RIGHT HERE IN THE COUNTY THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION AT THE TIME.
AT THIS POINT, WE KNOW THAT WAS NOT APPROVED BY THE BOARD AND SINCE 2021, WHICH IS WHEN THESE WERE DONE, THE SCOPE HAS SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED FOR THE OPTION TO SUSSEX, AS WELL AS THE OPTION TO HOPEWELL.
THE INCREASE IS THE 14 MILES OF PIPELINE TO SUSSEX VERSUS THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT HERE THAT'S ROUGHLY A $40 MILLION COST.
THE INCREASE TO HOPEWELL IS THE EXPANSION OF PRIMARY CLARIFIERS, PLUS THE POTENTIAL NEED TO ADDRESS THEIR AMMONIA LIMITS.
THOSE ARE THE INCREASES IN SCOPE THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED AS ADDITIONAL COST TO GET TO THIS NEW $100-PLUS-MILLION COST.
WE'RE LOOKING AT A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE, AND THIS UTILITIES BUDGET JUST CANNOT ABSORB.
TYPICALLY, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT FUTURE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND COUNTY GROWTH, THAT SHOULD NOT BE ALL ON THE BACKS OF EXISTING UTILITY CUSTOMERS.
WE WILL LOOK AT SOME OTHER OPTIONS ON HOW WE CAN GET SOME REVENUES.
HERE, I JUST THREW UP SOME TOOLS THAT THE COUNTY HAS AVAILABLE TO THEM AS POTENTIAL OPTIONS THAT THE COUNTY COULD LOOK INTO TO HELP FUND SOME OF THESE FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS.
I'D BE HAPPY TO GO OVER SOME OF THESE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THEM BUT THESE ARE JUST TOOLS THAT I'VE COME UP WITH OVER THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS TO GIVE THE BOARD SOME IDEAS THAT WE COULD CHASE, SHOULD WE WANT TO LOOK AT OPTIONS TO FUND THIS AT NEW INFRASTRUCTURE, NOT ONLY FOR THE WASTEWATER SOLUTION, BUT ALSO FOR OUR FUTURE WATER PLANT, OR ANY TYPE OF IMPROVEMENTS FOR UTILITIES.
MANGUM DID IDENTIFY THE POTENTIAL REVENUES THAT WERE GENERATED IN THEIR REPORT, AS OVER THREE MILLION IN THE INITIAL FEW YEARS.
THAT COULD HELP PAY OFF SOME OF THAT DEBT SERVICE.
OBVIOUSLY, THE MORE ECONOMIC GROWTH WE HAVE IN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK CAN HELP AID AND PAYING OFF THAT DEBT.
IF THERE'S MEANS OF TRYING TO SCRAPE IN SOME OF THOSE NEW TAX REVENUES TO HELP PAY OFF THAT DEBT, THAT WAS THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THAT STUDY.
DO WE WANT TO INVEST IN INFRASTRUCTURE FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH? WE KNOW WE HAVE A BIG COST HERE.
THAT'S FOR ONE SOLUTION, A WASTEWATER SOLUTION.
WE STILL NEED A WATER SOLUTION IN ADDITION TO THAT.
ALTHOUGH WE'RE COMING HERE TONIGHT ASKING YOU TO TAKE ACTION ON THE WASTEWATER SOLUTION, I ALWAYS WANT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE'RE MAY BE COMING BACK AGAIN LOOKING FOR A WATER SOLUTION VERY SOON.
WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY HOW WE'RE GOING TO ALLEVIATE THE TAX BURDENS FROM JUST OUR RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO NOT PUT THE ENTIRE BURDEN ON OUR UTILITY CUSTOMERS.
THEN ONCE AGAIN, VEDP DID AWARD US THE VBRSP GRANT.
THAT DOES REQUIRE US TO UPON ACTION TONIGHT, WE HAVE EIGHT WEEKS TO GET AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE WITH THE ENTITY YOU CHOOSE, AND THEN WE EXPECT TO BRING THAT AGREEMENT BACK TO YOU ON OCTOBER 8TH FOR CONSIDERING EXECUTING.
TONIGHT, WE SEEK AUTHORIZATION FROM YOU TO SEEK THAT AGREEMENT WITH EITHER THE CITY OF HOPEWELL OR SUSSEX COUNTY, AND TO ALSO DIRECT STAFF TO START LOOKING AT IDENTIFYING FUNDING OPTIONS FOR THE FUTURE.
>> DOES ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HOLTON BEFORE I OPEN THIS UP TO THE PUBLIC?
>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT TONIGHT.
WE'RE OPENING UP AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON THIS BUSINESS ITEM FOR TONIGHT REGARDING A WASTEWATER SOLUTION.
AGAIN, IT'LL FOLLOW THE SAME AS WE DO FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS AND PUBLIC COMMENT.
PLEASE COME UP, STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
MISS NAUGHT, I DIDN'T ASK YOU IF ANYONE HAD SIGNED UP BECAUSE THIS WAS NOT PLANNED. YES, SIR.
>> JUSTIN NOBLIN 8724 CENTENNIAL ROAD.
I JUST WANT TO THANK Y'ALL FOR BEING FLEXIBLE, AND THIS IS A NEW EXPERIENCE WITH GETTING PERMISSION TO DO PUBLIC COMMENTS ON SOMETHING THAT'S NOT NORMALLY DONE.
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I DO APPRECIATE Y'ALL LISTENING.UNFORTUNATELY, THE PERSON I WAS ADVOCATING FOR HAS SOME MEDICAL ISSUES AND COULDN'T MAKE IT TONIGHT, BUT I DID WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS AS WELL.
WE ARE AT A POSITION NOW WHERE PREVIOUS BOARDS HAVE SHOT AT THE COUNTY AND PUT US IN A BOND, AND IT'S CAUSED AN INCREASE IN TAXES, AND I THINK EVERYTHING TONIGHT HAS PROVEN THAT THE UNDUE BURDEN HAS BEEN ON THE RESIDENTIAL END.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE RATE THAT WE PAY, IT'S EITHER STAYED THE SAME WHILE TAX HAS GONE UP OR IT'S GONE UP.
IT'S BEEN A ROUGH ROAD, AND WE DESPERATELY NEED TO GET SOMETHING LIKE THIS DONE.
WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO DEAL WITH OUR SEWER AND WATER SHORTAGES.
I'VE SPOKE WITH FRANK NUMEROUS TIMES WE HAD A MEETING LAST WEEK AND DISCUSS GOING BACK TO SOME COMMUNITY WELLS FOR DEVELOPMENT WHILE WE HAVE OUR WATER SHORTAGE, AND IT LOOKS LIKE POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS TO GET SOME DEVELOPMENT IN THE PLANNING DISTRICT.
THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO SPEAK ON QUICKLY, IS I HEARD SOMEONE SAY RECENTLY THAT YOU CAN'T STOP DEVELOPMENT, YOU HAVE TO STEER IT.
THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO STEER IT IN THE COUNTY AND TO GIVE SOME RELIEF TO THE RESIDENTS AND GET SOME NEW BUSINESSES IN HERE.
IT'S REALLY A SHAME THAT 90% OF OUR RESIDENTS LEAVE THE COUNTY TO GO TO WORK.
IT REALLY SHOWS THAT WE'VE DROPPED THE BALL TREMENDOUSLY IN GETTING BUSINESS IN OUR COUNTY WHEN WE HAVE INTERSTATE 95, 85, 460, AND 295 ALL COMING THROUGH OUR COUNTY, BUT WE CAN'T SEEM TO GET BUSINESSES IN HERE FOR LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
IT IS A ABSOLUTE DESPERATE TIME, AND THIS NEEDS TO GET DONE.
I REALLY SEE THE ONLY LOGICAL OPTION HERE, AND THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION, IS GOING WITH SUSSEX, WHERE WE'LL HAVE A NEW WATER PLANT, WE'LL HAVE A LOT MORE CONTROL.
THE LONG TERM LOOKS TREMENDOUSLY BETTER WITH SUSSEX THAN HOPEWELL.
HOPEWELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY IT LIGHTLY, BUT THEIR CATASTROPHE THAT THEY HAD IN THE JAMES RIVER RECENTLY SHOWS THE INCOMPETENCE AND THE RISK THAT WE RUN GOING WITH HOPEWELL.
I'D LOVE TO SEE US GO WITH SUSSEX I THINK IT'S A LOT BETTER LONG-TERM PLAN, IT'S A LOT SMARTER DECISION.
I REALLY DO APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S TIME AND SPEAKING.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. ANYONE ELSE?
>> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, BOARD.
>> SCOTT HAMMEL, 3963 DO RUN ROAD.
I APPRECIATE ACTUALLY THIS EXTRA TIME, BECAUSE IT WAS NICE TO BE ABLE TO HEAR THE MANGUM PRESENTATION AHEAD OF BEING ABLE TO TALK ON THIS TOPIC. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS.
I KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING A LOT OF THESE THINGS AT THE SAME TIME, AND SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE PREDICATED ON MAKING DECISIONS LIKE THIS.
SOMETHING I HOPE THE BOARD TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION, ESPECIALLY WITH POINT NUMBER TWO ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY SOME VIABLE FUNDING SOURCES.
A LOT OF THE OPTIONS WE HAD IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE WOULD INCLUDE POSSIBLY INCLUDING SOME OF THESE TAXES IN EITHER REAL ESTATE OR OTHER METHODS, HOWEVER, WE MIGHT CHOOSE TO DO SO.
THIS IS $100 MILLION AT A MINIMUM.
OVER 20 YEARS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $5 MILLION A YEAR THAT WE WOULD NEED TO FUND.
I'D HOPE THE BOARD WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROJECTION OF THE COST FOR THIS PROJECT AGAINST THE PROJECTED REVENUES THAT WE WOULD SEE COMING OUT OF THAT MANGUM STUDY IF WE WERE ABLE TO FUND THOSE PROJECTS.
ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO HOPE IS THAT THAT STUDY IS COMPLETELY DONE AND NOT OVERLY ROSY.
I THINK WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER JURISDICTION.
SOMETIMES THOSE STUDIES CAN OVERSTATE SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF BRINGING BUSINESSES IN.
I THINK HOPEFULLY WE TAKE AN APPROACH THAT LOOKS AT THAT AND LOOKS AT CONSERVATIVE NUMBERS AND UNDERSTANDS THAT I THINK IN THAT STUDY, WE MAY NOT HAVE CONSIDERED VACANCY RATES.
I THINK THEY MAY BE ASSUMING THAT BUSINESSES ARE THERE 100% OF THE TIME.
THEY MAY BE ASSUMING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HIT ALL THESE MARKS EXACTLY ON TIME.
I JUST WANT TO TAKE A REAL GOOD LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE THIS IS $100 MILLION WE WOULD TIE OURSELVES TO.
IF WE MISS ANY OF THE GOALS THAT MANGUM SAYS THAT WE COULD HIT IN THAT VERY HEAVY ASSUMPTION REPORT, TAXPAYERS ARE GOING TO BE LEFT HOLDING THE BAG ON THIS ONE.
I KNOW A YEAR 17, ESPECIALLY WITH THE DATA CENTER, THAT'S A BIG BUMP ON THAT CHART.
I THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC'S READY FOR A DATA CENTER.
I KNOW, THIS COULD BE CONTROVERSIAL THINGS.
I'D HATE FOR US TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE SAY, WELL, WE DIDN'T GET A DATA CENTER, SO NOW WE'RE REALLY ON THE HOOK FOR IT.
OR WE CAN DO NOTHING BUT ACCEPT A DATA CENTER WHEN THE CITIZENS MIGHT NOT IN FACT WANT THAT.
LIKE I SAID, I DO APPRECIATE THAT BULLET POINT NUMBER TWO THERE AS A PART OF THIS.
I HOPE THAT'LL BE PART OF A CONSIDERATION,
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MAYBE TO PROJECT THESE TAX RATES ALONGSIDE OTHER CIP THINGS, AND WE'VE HEARD A HIGH SCHOOL MENTIONED EARLIER.SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE.
IF THIS IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER THING THAT WE THROW ON THERE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO END UP WITH HIGHER TAXES IN THE FUTURE IF WE HAPPEN TO HIT JUST A FEW OF THESE POINTS ON A 30-YEAR PROJECTION.
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE?
>> GOOD EVENING. I PROMISED MY LAST TIME PROBABLY BECAUSE Y'ALL AREN'T GOING TO LET ME SPEAK.
CUTLER, 29750 BLACKWATER FARM LANE.
I CAME OUT PRETTY HARD AGAINST US BUILDING A PLANT, NOT BECAUSE I WAS AGAINST US BUILDING A PLANT.
I CAME OUT BECAUSE OF WHERE IT WAS LOCATED.
I DON'T AGREE WITH BUILDING THINGS ON A BODY OF WATER THAT I PERSONALLY HAVE WALKED THE BOTTOM OF THE CREEK WHEN IT WENT DRY IN A DROUGHT.
I THINK IT WAS A DANGEROUS LOCATION.
WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE'RE MOVING FURTHER SOUTH HERE IS THAT BECOMES A RIVER.
IT'S A FREE-FLOWING BODY OF WATER, AND AS WE'VE SEEN FROM THE RECENT ISSUE IN HOPEWELL, I THINK THAT'S A WISE SITUATION.
NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT, EVEN IF WE HAD A SPILL, WE'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT CAN FLOW IN A MUCH FASTER RATE AND CLEAN UP MUCH FASTER WITHOUT AS MUCH DAMAGE.
I PERSONALLY DON'T CARE WHAT DIRECTION WE GO BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, I CAN SEE SOMETHING THAT'S INTERESTING BOTH WAYS, AND THEY'RE BALANCING OUT ON THE NUMBERS.
BUT IN REALITY, OWNING THE PLANT, SURE DOES SOUND A LOT BETTER.
I THINK MR. WEBB WAS ADVOCATING THAT FOR A LONG TIME, AND IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE GOING TOWARDS SUSSEX.
WE WOULD OWN IT, CONTROL IT, CONTROL THE RATES, CONTROL THE GROWTH, CONTROL THE FACILITIES SO THAT WE KNOW IT'S BEING DONE RIGHT, WHICH MEANS WE CAN DECIDE WHAT'S BEST FOR PRINCE GEORGE, WHEREAS IF WE WAIT ON SOMEBODY ELSE TO DETERMINE OUR CAPACITIES, WE CAN'T.
I'M GOING TO POINT THIS OUT AGAIN BECAUSE I KEEP COMING BACK TO IT.
IN 2005, HAD WE DONE WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO, THIS PLANT WOULD HAVE BEEN $25 MILLION OR LESS.
NOW, IT'S OVER $100 MILLION ACCORDING TO WHAT I JUST HEARD, AND I'M SURE THAT'S PROBABLY NOT ACCURATE.
I THINK BASED ON HYPERINFLATION THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, IT WAS PROBABLY EVEN LESS THAN THAT.
FOR ALL THE PEOPLE OUT HERE ON SOCIAL MEDIA, AGAIN, I'M GOING TO SAY IT AGAIN THAT WANT TO TALK ABOUT DON'T BLAME THE PAST.
PARDON MY LANGUAGE. THEY MADE A LOT OF MISTAKES.
THEY CLAIMED CONSERVATIVE VALUES.
HENRY PARKER SHUT DOWN THE WATER AUTHORITY BECAUSE HE HEARD FOOD LINE WAS GOING TO COME IN ON THE PETERSON FARM.
HE DIDN'T WANT THE COMPETITION, BUT THAT'S JUST ONE OF MANY THINGS THAT THE HERO OF THIS COUNTY DID THAT WAS WRONG.
I'M GOING TO POINT OUT SOMETHING ELSE THAT I MAY BE COMPLETELY WRONG ON.
I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE SEWER AND WATER CAPACITY TO BUILD THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL IF WE DON'T GO FORWARD WITH SOME OF THESE PROJECTS.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED.
IF WE WANT ALL OF THESE ITEMS, IF WE WANT THIS COMMERCIAL GROWTH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD THE THINGS NECESSARY TO GET THE COMMERCIAL GROWTH.
EVERYONE HERE HAS PROBABLY HEARD HOW MUCH I DISLIKE CASH PROFFERS.
I STILL DISLIKE THEM BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THEY WERE USED EARLIER IN THIS CENTURY TO CREATE A TAX INCREASE ON PROPERTIES WHILE CLAIMING TO SAVE THE CITIZENS MONEY.
BUT I DO QUESTION, CAN WE PROFFER BUSINESSES THE SAME AS WE CAN PROFFER REAL ESTATE? IF YOU CAN ASK A CASH PROFFER FOR EVERY HOUSE, WHY CAN'T WE ASK A CASH PROFFER FOR THE BUSINESSES THAT WILL BENEFIT THE MOST FROM TYING INTO OUR STUFF? IT'S JUST ONE OF THE RAISING MONEY CONCERNS THAT I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK INTO. I APPRECIATE IT.
IF I HAD MY CHOICE, WE'D GO TO SUSSEX, BUT WE GOT TO DO IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. IS THERE ANY OTHER CITIZEN THAT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE SOME INPUT ON THIS? PLEASE COME FORWARD.
>> GOOD EVENING. DONNA COIN, 13620 TAYLOR DRIVE.
I WOULD JUST LIKE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON THE SPECIAL TAX ZONE.
WHO IS THIS TARGETING? IS THIS TARGETING PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY ON THE SYSTEM, OR IS IT GOING TO BE PEOPLE LIKE ME THAT ARE ALREADY ON SEPTIC, AND OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T GET ANY HELP FROM ANYBODY TO MAINTAIN THOSE SYSTEMS. WHO IS THE SPECIAL TAX ZONE TARGETING? THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR PUBLIC INPUT ON THIS MATTER? I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE MOVING FORWARD, SO I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC INPUT PORTION INTO THIS TOPIC.
I WOULD ASK MR. HOLTON IF HE COULD ANSWER OR SHED SOME LIGHT ON THE QUESTION THAT WAS JUST ASKED, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE, SIR.
>> I THREW THOSE OPTIONS UP THERE, PRIMARILY, JUST TO SHOW YOU THOSE ARE TOOLS THAT THE COUNTY COULD USE.
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THERE'S BEEN NO DRAWING OF LINES AT THIS POINT.THE COUNTY CAN DRAW THOSE LINES, AND THEY'RE ALLOWED TO GERRYMANDER HOWEVER YOU WISH.
THIS IS JUST MY FRANK'S PERSONAL OPINION, I AM NOT THE FINANCE PERSON HERE WHO MAY BE ABLE TO SAY THESE THINGS, BUT YOU WOULD WANT TO DRAW THOSE LINES WHERE TYPICALLY THOSE FOLKS ARE RECEIVING A GREATER IMPROVEMENT OR PUBLIC SERVICE THAN OTHERS AROUND THEM.
I'M JUST USING IT FROM A UTILITY PERSPECTIVE.
WE WANT TO DRAW THOSE LINES TO WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF VACANT LAND THAT THEY CAN SEE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENT.
THEREFORE, WE'RE TARGETING FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO BE DOING DEVELOPMENT.
BUT YOU COULD ALSO USE THAT FOR OTHER AREAS AS WELL.
YOU COULD USE IT FOR SCHOOLS, WHERE THE SCHOOL IS GOING TO BE, OR FOR CONVENIENCE CENTERS, OR FOR CURBSIDE PICKUP.
ADDITIONAL PUBLIC SERVICE IS WHAT THAT REPRESENTS.
IT DOESN'T MEAN JUST NECESSARILY UTILITIES.
IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH TIFFS OR NOT, THE TIFF IS DEFINITELY FOR VACANT LANDS WHERE YOU ALREADY HAVE SOME TAX REVENUES COMING IN, AND ONCE THAT PROPERTY DEVELOPS, YOU'VE INCREASED THAT TAX REVENUE ON THAT ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THE IDEA OF A TIFF IS, YOU'RE TAKING THE INCREASE IN TAX REVENUES.
IF I'M TAKING A PROPERTY THAT I'M GATHERING $100 A YEAR IN TAX REVENUES.
THAT PERSON GOES AND DEVELOPS A PROPERTY, NOW INCREASE TO TAX REVENUES TO $1,000.
I'M TAKING $900 OF THAT AND USING FOR IMPROVEMENTS OR ANY PORTION OF THAT $900, AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO BE ALL OF IT.
BUT THE IDEA IS THAT YOU HAVE THAT AS A TOOL FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
>> JUST TO SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC, ALL OF THESE ARE JUST OPTIONS.
>> BUT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS GOING ON.
I'M NOT GOING TO ELABORATE TOO MUCH ON THE DETAIL, BUT THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HELP MAY COME FROM THE FEDERAL LEVEL, STATE LEVEL.
THERE COULD BE GRANTS AVAILABLE TO HELP OFFSET SOME OF THE COST.
THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS OUT THERE.
I THINK RIGHT NOW, AGAIN, OUR GOAL TONIGHT IS TO CHOOSE AN OPTION SO THAT WE CAN GET THIS AGREEMENT COMPLETED WITHIN THE EIGHT WEEKS THAT HELPS US TO SECURE THIS $10 MILLION GRANT FROM THE STATE.
BUT WHEN THAT AGREEMENT IS SIGNED, OR PUT TOGETHER, IT STILL HAS TO COME BACK AND BE VOTED ON BY THIS BOARD AND AGREED UPON AND THAT THING.
IF I'M SPEAKING CORRECTLY, MR. HOLTON, THAT'S WHAT THE GOAL IS TONIGHT IS FOR US TO GIVE YOU THE APPROVAL TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CHOOSING OF THESE TWO SITES.
>> THAT'S CORRECT. I WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME BACK AT SOME POINT AND ASK FOR AUTHORIZATION TO START THAT DESIGN TO BE ABLE TO GO MOVE TOWARDS THAT SOLUTION AS WELL?
>> YES, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS, BOARD MEMBERS FOR MR. HOLTON OR STATEMENT.
LET ME GO TO MR. WEBB, AND I'LL COME BACK TO YOU.
>> GO AHEAD, MR. WEBB. I GOT ON A BOARD IN 16.
I GOT PASSIONATE ABOUT IT IN 2008.
I DON'T REMEMBER AS FAR BACK AS THE GENTLEMAN JUST SPOKE TO, AS FAR AS THE WATER AUTHORITY.
WE HAD A PERSON THAT DONATED LAND FOR US TO PUT A WATER TOWER UP RIGHT THERE AT ROUTE 10 AND 156, AND WE WOULD HAVE BEEN MOVING DOWN ROUTE 10, AS WE CURRENTLY JUST SPENT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO DO.
IN THE MEANTIME OF THAT, WE HAD THE FACILITY STORM DAMAGE AT JORDAN OR JAMES, WHICH PUT PEOPLE IN A HARDSHIP GETTING THE WATER OUT OF THAT AQUIFER.
THEN WE ALSO HAD ONE FOLLOW-UP THAT WAS AT RIVER'S EDGE THAT TOOK HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS BETWEEN THE TWO TO GET THEM STRAIGHT AND GET THEM UP WHILE WE WERE WAITING AND STRUGGLING TRYING TO GET THE WATER DOWN ROUTE 10, WHICH WE CURRENTLY DO NOW.
THAT WATER AUTHORITY WAS DONE AWAY WITH, AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, YOU 2013 TO 2014, AND SPEAKING OF MISTAKES, NOBODY HAS A CRYSTAL BALL.
BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD AT THAT TIME VOTED TO DO AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE THEY SAID, WE DIDN'T NEED IT.
NOW, IT COULD HAVE BEEN FOR A MULTITUDE REASON, COULD HAVE SELF SELF-BENEFICIAL SOMEBODY.
>> IT COULD HAVE BEEN NOT WANTING A FOOD LINE, WHICH EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN ON BOARD, THAT'S ALL I'VE HEARD.
WHY CAN'T WE GET A FOOD LINE? WHY CAN'T WE GET SOME OF THIS STUFF DOWN THE AIRWAY, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE ALL WAY TO THE COUNTY OR DRIVE OVER TOWARDS CHARLES CITY.
YOU LEARN A LOT AS YOU'RE ON THE BOARD, AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT.
BUT WHAT CONCERNS ME BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY DECIDED WHICH WAY I'M GOING.
WHAT CONCERNS ME IS YOU'VE HAD THREE SPILLS LAST YEAR THAT GO DIRECTLY INTO THE JAMES, CHESAPEAKE BAY.
YOU HAD ANOTHER SPILL THIS YEAR THAT DEQ CAME IN.
THE REPAIRS THAT MR. HOLTON TOUCHED ON,
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WHAT THE MEDIA REPORTED THAT THEY CLAIMED THEY PULLED RIGHT FROM THE BOARD, WAS IT'S IN MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR JUST TO GET THE PLANT UP BACK TO WHERE IT SHOULD BE, AND THEY RECOMMEND THERE'S 17 PEOPLE SHORT, 17 OPERATORS SHORT.THAT WOULD TAKE MONTHS, IF NOT YEARS.
THAT STUFF JUST DOESN'T TURN AROUND UNLESS SOMEBODY'S GOT 150 CONTRACTORS AND $150 MILLION JUST TO THROW AT IT AND SAY, GET IT DONE.
IT JUST DON'T HAPPEN THAT WAY.
TO ME, AND I'VE ALWAYS SAID, WE SHOULD HAVE HAD OUR OWN WASTE TREATMENT PLANT BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN CONTROL OF HER OWN DESTINY.
THEN YOU COULD TAKE THE PROFITS OR WHATEVER, AND YOU REINVEST, PAY DOWN DEBT OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, BUT I GET OFF THAT SOAPBOX.
THE POINT I'M GETTING AT IS, IF I'M IN FAVOR OF SUSSEX FOR THIS REASON, BECAUSE THAT'S WHY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ME VOTE IF IT'S BROUGHT UP, WILL BE OWNER.
HOPEFULLY, WE CAN SAVE THIS $10 MILLION GRANT SO WE DON'T LOSE IT, BECAUSE WE'RE IN A FOUR TO SIX WEEK WED TO GET IT.
WE CAN GO BACK TO THE STATE TO GET ADDITIONAL HELP TO HELP OFFSET SOME OF THE COSTS, KNOWING WHAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO, SINCE WE PUT A GOOD FOOT FORWARD, AND THEY KNOW WE'RE COMMITTED TO IT.
THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT BOILS DOWN TO IN MY MIND.
>> THIS IS GOING TO BE A QUESTION FOR YOU AND POSSIBLY YOGI BACK AND FORTH HERE.
HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT WOULD TAKE TO CONSTRUCT A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND RUN 14 MILES OF LINE TO SUSSEX COUNTY?
>> TO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT ROUGHLY FOUR YEARS.
THERE ARE OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO STREAMLINE THAT.
IN FACT, AS PART OF THE VB RSP GRANT, THEY WANT SOME TYPE OF EXPEDITED CONSTRUCTION TO OCCUR, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE SOMETHING LIKE A DESIGN BUILD.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IMPROVEMENTS DONE WITHIN TWO YEARS.
>> BUT THERE ARE SOME MEANS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DO A LITTLE BIT FASTER.
THE NEXT QUESTION, HOW LONG WOULD IT BE TO CONSTRUCT IT TO HOPEWELL? FOR JUST THE FORT MAIN ITSELF, NOT INCLUDING ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PLANT THAT WE'RE NOT IN CONTROL OF?
>> THE FORT'S MAIN ITSELF, PROBABLY A COUPLE OF YEARS.
AGAIN, THAT'S NOT ASSUMING EXPEDITED, BUT YOU COULD EXPEDITE THAT AS WELL, PROBABLY GET IT DONE IN A YEAR AND A HALF.
A YEAR AND A HALF AND FOUR YEARS.
WE WOULD POTENTIALLY NOT SEE ANY REVENUE FROM ANY NEW BUSINESS FOR NINE YEARS.
AM I CORRECT IN THAT? UNDER THE CURRENT WAY IT'S WRITTEN? BECAUSE WE GIVE A FIVE-YEAR REBATE.
THE LESS WE VOTE TO CHANGE THAT 50% REBATE? THAT'S JUST ON MACHINERY AND TOOLS TAX.
CORRECT. MACHINERY AND TOOLS TAX.
WHAT REVENUE ARE WE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY TO PAY FOR THIS? IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT?
>> WELL, I THINK THE MANGUM REPORT HIGHLIGHTED THOSE REAL ESTATE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES.
WITH DATA CENTERS, THAT WOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX.
WE ARE A LONG WAYS FROM ATTRACTING A DATA CENTER.
WE HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED THE PROCESS OR IMPLEMENTED THAT IN OUR ORDINANCES.
BUT REAL ESTATE TAX, BUSINESS PERSONAL AND PROPERTY TAX, MACHINERY AND TOOLS, WHICH IS CURRENTLY A FIVE-YEAR 100% REBATE.
>> MY NEXT QUESTION, WE'RE LOOKING AT MINIMUM OF FOUR YEARS TO GO TO SUSSEX, A YEAR AND A HALF TO TWO YEARS TO GO TO HOPEWELL.
THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IT WOULD COST TO GO TO HOPEWELL.
WHAT WAS THAT AGAIN? YOU MIGHT HAVE TO PULL IT BACK UP FOR ME.
>> AGAIN, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT ME FROM.
>> THIS SHOWS A DEBT SEVERANCE PAYMENT ALONG WITH THE ANNUAL OPERATING COST ON THESE.
AGAIN, THIS WAS REALLY FOR JUST TWO MGD.
WE WERE LOOKING AT ULTIMATELY A FIVE MILLION GALLONS PER DAY INCREASE.
>> I'LL JUST TELL YOU WHERE I STAND ON IT.
ME PERSONALLY, I'D RATHER TAKE THAT 10 MILLION, INVEST IT, AND GO TO HOPEWELL AND POSSIBLY DO A AGREEMENT, WASTEWATER TREATMENT, REGIONAL, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT WITH THEM.
I KNOW THERE'S A MEETING COMING UP IN SEPTEMBER 2 TO DISCUSS, I GUESS, THE FUTURE OF THAT PLANT, BUT I WOULD BE MORE WILLING TO SPEND MORE MONEY ON A WATER PLANT JUST BECAUSE OF THE LIABILITY OF IT.
YOU LOOK AT RICHMOND, YOU LOOK AT HOPEWELL, ALL AGING PLANTS, ALL HAVE ISSUES, ALL HAVE SPILLS.
TONIGHT, WE TALKED ABOUT WALTON SCHOOL.
WE GOT TO PUT A ROOF ON WALTON SCHOOL.
THIS IS JUST ANOTHER PROJECT THAT I SEE THE SAME THING THAT HAPPENED AT WALTON SCHOOL.
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HAPPENED TO THIS 30, 40 YEARS FROM NOW.THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.
TWO MILLION GETS US IN THE DOOR, AND IT ALLOWS US TO GET THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IN HERE TO PAY TO POSSIBLY GO TO SUSSEX LATER ON IN LIFE.
THAT'S JUST MY TWO CENTS ON IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BOARD THINKS ABOUT THAT.
>> I'M GOING TO SHARE MY OPINION REAL QUICK.
THE ROOF WAS ON NORTH, FOR THE PARKS AND REX BUILDINGS.
DON'T WANT ANYBODY THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEMOLISHING THE WALTON BUILDING.
I DON'T YOU THINK WE'RE PUTTING A NEW ROOF ON THERE.
I ALSO THINK YOU'RE NOT COMPARING 100% APPLES TO APPLES, BECAUSE MR. HOLTON SAID THAT THE STATE WOULD LIKE TO SEE US GET THIS EXPEDITED AND IN TWO YEARS.
BUT HE DID SAY IT COULD TAKE FOUR YEARS.
YOU USED THE FOUR YEARS TO COMPARE TO THE TWO.
I WOULD SAY IF YOU USED A RANGE TO SAY 2-4 YEARS, I COULD BUY INTO THAT STATEMENT A LOT CLEANER THAN TAKING THE WORST CASE.
I'VE BEEN READING UP ON THE HOPEWELL THING.
IT'S BEEN IN THE NEWS JUST ABOUT EVERY DAY, AND I'VE BEEN READING ON IT, THEY'RE RIGHT NOW IN A FLUX OF EVEN NOT EVEN KNOWING WHAT THE TRUE COST IS, WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO SELL THE PLANT.
THEN I KNOW IF THEY SELL THE PLANT, IT'S GOT TO TAKE GENERAL ASSEMBLY APPROVAL.
THERE'S A LOT THERE THAT IS BEYOND OUR CONTROL.
MR. WEBB AND I HAVE TALKED BEFORE.
I'M ALSO A BELIEVER IN, WE HAVE TO CONTROL OUR OWN DESTINY TO SOME POINT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT 100% AND GET AWAY FROM EVERYBODY ELSE, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER SOLUTION.
BUT IF WE JUST GO TO PEOPLE, I LOOK AT THE SUSSEX ROUTE AS, IT'S A PARTNERSHIP.
WE HAVE A BIGGER SAY IN THAT VERSUS, EVEN IN WATER, IF WE GET A BIGGER WATER CAPACITY OR WASTE TREATMENT CAPACITY FROM SOMEBODY ESTABLISHED, THE CATCH 22 IS THE RATES.
THEY CONTROL THEIR OWN RATES, WHICH WE THEN HAVE TO AUTOMATICALLY PASS ON TO OUR CUSTOMERS VERSUS I SEE, EVEN IF IT WASN'T SUSSEX, IF IT WAS ANOTHER SOLUTION WHERE WE'RE BOUGHT INTO IT, WE'D HAVE A BIGGER SAY IN HOW WE CAN CONTROL THOSE RATES FOR THE PRINCE GEORGE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
>> IF I MAY, JUST TO ADD TO THAT CONVERSATION.
THE RATES THAT ARE REPRESENTING HERE IN THESE ANNUAL OPERATING COSTS ASSUME TODAY'S RATES THROUGH THAT 20 YEAR PERIOD.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE RATES ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE AS THEY GROW, ESPECIALLY IF THEY COME OUT OF WHATEVER SOLUTION THERE IS WITH HOPEWELL.
IT IS EXPECTED THOSE RATES ARE GOING TO CLIMB.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
I HAVE NOT REPRESENTED THAT HERE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OF THOSE RATES.
BUT AGAIN THE ANNUAL OPERATING COSTS REPRESENTS ONLY TODAY'S RATES, ADDING TWO MGD TO THAT AS FAR AS ADDITIONAL FLOW TO THE PLAN, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD PAY IN TODAY'S RATES.
>> THE LAST PART ON THE HOPEWELL SIDE, FOR ME, THAT I HAVE A CONCERN IS THEY'RE STILL NOT CAUGHT UP ON THEIR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
I HAVE A PROBLEM INVESTING MONEY.
IT'S LIKE ME INVESTING MY PERSONAL MONEY INTO A BANK THAT HASN'T DONE THEIR FILINGS.
I WOULDN'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT.
I'M DEALING WITH TAXPAYER MONEY.
WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE HAVE TO STOP KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
I APPRECIATE MR. TETERTON'S INPUT AND HIS STATEMENT ON THIS TONIGHT.
I WASN'T ON THE BOARD BACK IN 2009.
BUT WE HAVE TO STEP UP AND DO SOMETHING.
I ALREADY HAVE AN IDEA WHICH WAY I'D LIKE TO GO.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT.
MR. WEBB, YOU HAD ASKED FOR THE FLOOR.
I'VE BEEN ON PROJECTS WHERE WE WORKED FROM TWO DIFFERENT ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM.
KNOWING YOU NEED TO BE AT A CERTAIN POINT WITHIN REASON, AND THEN YOU MAKE SOME SLIGHT MODIFICATIONS IF YOU MISS IT A COUPLE OF INCHES OR WHATEVER IT LIKE THAT WITH THE PIPING OR WHATEVER.
IS THAT NOT POSSIBLE TO DO WITH THE WASTE TREATMENT PLAN IF YOU HAD TO DESIGN BUILD? IT DOESN'T MEAN WE GOT TO LAY THE PIPE FIRST AND THEN BUILD THE PLANT.
AM I CORRECT IN ASSUMING THAT?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. THE CRITICAL PATH, IF YOU WILL, WILL BE THE PLANT.
THAT'S GOING TO TAKE THE LONGEST TO CONSTRUCT.
WE'LL NEED TO ENGAGE AN ENGINEER AS WELL AS A DESIGN BUILDING COMPANY THAT'S FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROCESS AND START THAT PROCESS SOON.
IF WE'RE GOING TO MEET TWO YEARS.
THAT'S PUSHING IT TWO YEARS OF PUSHING IT.
>> YES, SIR. YOU'VE GOT ONE AT MY PLANT.
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YOU GET THE RIGHT ENGINEERING HERE.THEY KNOW IT INSIDE OUT, AND THEY CAN COME IN AND KNOCK IT OUT.
THE BIGGEST THING IS POURING THE CONCRETE FOR THE WALLS OR WHATEVER TYPE OF EQUIPMENT THEY'RE GOING TO SET THE BASES ON.
>> ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBER HAVE ANY INPUT? MR. COX, PLEASE. GO AHEAD.
>> MY QUESTION IS TO MISS DREWRY.
MISS DREWRY, HOW'S THIS GOING TO AFFECT US WITH OUR DEBT CAPACITY IN BARN?
>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THOSE COSTS, WE WOULD BORROW AND WHEN.
IT'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DEBT THAT'S FALLING OFF.
MR. HOLTON DOES HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CAPACITY IN THE ADOPTED 26 BUDGET.
WE BUILT IN PRINCIPLE AND INTEREST PAYMENT ON APPROXIMATELY $30 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS.
YOU COMMITTED ALMOST 11 MILLION OF THAT WITH A RIVER ROAD TRANSMISSION LINE, WHICH LEAVES ABOUT 19 LEFT.
THAT'S A QUESTION I'M NOT PREPARED TO ANSWER.
I DO KNOW THE DEBT PAYMENTS MORPH ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS TODAY.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT DEBT FALLING OFF WITHOUT FINDING ADDITIONAL REVENUES.
>> THAT'S MY CONCERN. WE'VE GOT A MULTITUDE OF PROJECTS IN THIS COUNTY THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
WE'VE GOT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
WE'VE GOT A COURTHOUSE THAT NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED.
WE'VE GOT A POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED.
WE'VE GOT SOCIAL SERVICES NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED.
WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE MONEY'S COMING FROM FOR ALL THIS.
WE KEEP SAYING WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING TO BRING MONEY IN, BUT WE NEVER BRING MONEY IN, AND WE NEVER DO ANYTHING.
WE JUST KEEP FALLING FURTHER AND FURTHER BEHIND THE CURVE.
I UNDERSTAND THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IS A NEED.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AN IMMEDIATE NEED.
WE CAN'T KEEP LETTING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE CRUMBLE DOWN AROUND US WHILE WE KEEP CHASING DREAMS. THE MAGNA REPORT IS FINE, BUT THAT'S ALL HYPOTHETICAL.
WHAT HAPPENS IF WE HIT ANOTHER DOWNTURN IN REAL ESTATE LIKE WE DID IN 2009, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY COMING.
I DON'T LIKE LOOKING AT A CRYSTAL BALL THAT'S 30 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
I'M SORRY. I HAVEN'T FOUND ONE I CAN TRUST YET.
HOW CAN YOU FIND ON FOR 30 DAYS.
I WOULD PREFER TO WAIT UNTIL THE MEETING THAT'S GOING TO BE TAKING PLACE IN THE FIRST PART OF SEPTEMBER TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT MAY HAPPEN, AND THEN BRING IT TO OUR FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, AND THEN, I THINK WE COULD BE BETTER INFORMED TO MAKE A DECISION.
>> HELP ME UNDERSTAND. WE'RE SITTING HERE BEING TOLD WE'VE GOT ROUGHLY AN EIGHT WEEK TIMELINE.
IF WE PUT THIS OFF UNTIL SEPTEMBER, YOU'VE IMMEDIATELY CUT THAT TIMELINE DOWN TO FOUR WEEKS TO GET AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE, WHICH I DON'T EVEN THINK THAT'S HIGHLY PROBABLE AT ALL.
HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT'S YOUR SOLUTION TO THAT TO DELAY THIS, THEN IF WE SAY, WAIT UNTIL WE COME BACK IN SEPTEMBER.
>> WELL, FIRST OFF, AN AGREEMENT SHOULD BE TO BE EXECUTED WITHIN A COUPLE OF DAYS IF IT'S ALREADY WRITTEN.
>> WELL, THEN WHY AREN'T WE WRITING IT? WHY HAVEN'T WE ALREADY WRITTEN IT?
>> BECAUSE THIS BOARD HAS NOT GIVEN ANYBODY THE AUTHORITY TO GO AND DO IT.
>> GIVE THEM THE AUTHORITY TO GO AHEAD AND WRITE THE AGREEMENT, BUT DON'T EXECUTE IT YET.
>> I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TONIGHT, RIGHT, SIR?
>> YEAH. THAT'S WHAT HE'S HERE TRYING TO GET TONIGHT.
IS THE AUTHORITY TO WORK ON THE AGREEMENT WITH PARTY A OR PARTY B?
>> WELL, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE, SO THAT'S MY VOTE.
>> NO. I UNDERSTAND. I'M NOT TRYING TO CHANGE YOUR VOTE.
I'M SAYING IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH WHAT'S ON THE TABLE, WHAT'S YOUR ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION? BECAUSE JUST TO SAY I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
MY DAD ALWAYS SAID, IF YOU JUST TALK ABOUT THE PROBLEM AND YOU DON'T PRESENT SOME TYPE OF SOLUTION, THEN YOU'RE JUST PART OF THE PROBLEM.
THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, IF YOU'RE SAYING TO DELAY, WHAT'S YOUR OPTIONS? WHAT OPTIONS WOULD YOU PROPOSE TO THIS BOARD AND TO THAT DEPARTMENT TO HELP US TO BE BETTER OR GET BETTER?
>> HOW HARD WOULD IT BE TO WRITE AN AGREEMENT WITH BOTH OF THEM? IS THAT DIFFICULT?
IS IT DIFFICULT? NO, IF WE HAD THE RIGHT RESOURCES.
I'M ONE PERSON HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH MULTIPLE PEOPLE WITHIN MY ALREADY BUSY SCHEDULE.
>> IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD GET YOU SOME ASSISTANCE WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPER AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY OR THE CURRENT SITTING COUNTY ATTORNEY?
>> WE WOULD WANT SOME ATTORNEY THAT'S FAMILIAR WITH THESE TYPE OF AGREEMENTS AS WELL.
I ASSUME THEY MAY HAVE SOMEBODY ON STAFF IF I CAN MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT, THERE ARE WAYS OF TRYING TO EXPEDITE IT,
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BUT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT FULL CONTROL OF THIS, EITHER.WE HAVE OTHER PUBLIC BODIES THEY HAVE TO APPROVE IT AS WELL, AND WE HAVE TO WORK ALL THOSE TERMS OUT.
>> CAN IT BE DONE? THAT'S MY QUESTION.
>> HE CAN'T PROMISE WHAT THE OTHER LOCALITIES GET DONE AND WHEN THEY GET IT DONE
>> THAT SUSSEX COUNTY AND OR HOPEWELL VOTE.
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.[OVERLAPPING]
>> WE'RE PUTTING ALL OUR EGGS IN ONE BASKET WITH SUSSEX.
HOPE AND THEY SAY, YES. AM I CORRECT IN THAT STATEMENT? OR HAS THERE ALREADY BEEN TALKS OF THEM SAYING YES.
>> WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH HOPEWELL IN THE PAST.
WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH SUSSEX SERVICE AUTHORITY.
WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH SUSSEX COUNTY, AND ALL SEEMED TO BE WILLING TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION TO FORM AN AGREEMENT.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT SUSSEX COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR IS IN THE AUDIENCE.
>> I APOLOGIZE. I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THAT EARLIER.
>> PERFECT. COULD YOU SHED SOME LIGHT ON THIS CONVERSATION FOR US IF YOU DON'T MIND.
[BACKGROUND] I UNDERSTAND YOUR ASSISTANT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR IS HERE AS WELL.
>> I JUST SEND GREETINGS FROM OUR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AS FRANK SAID.
>> AS FRANK SAID, THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF, AND WITH OUR BOARD, AND OUR BOARD WAS UNANIMOUS AND VERY ENTHUSIASTIC IN PARTNERING WITH PRINCE GEORGE ON THIS PROJECT.
WE SEE IT AS A WIN WIN BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE SAME BOAT.
WE NEED WASTEWATER, WE NEED WATER.
THEY BOTH GO HAND IN HAND, AND THIS IS THE WAY TO COST EFFECTIVELY DO IT.
I THINK IT CAN BE A VERY GOOD PARTNERSHIP AND OUR BOARD HASN'T OFFICIALLY TAKEN ACTION ON THIS.
BUT AGAIN, THEY'VE EXPRESSED SINCERE WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH YOU TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE WORKED THROUGH WITH THAT AGREEMENT.
I THINK TONIGHT JUST CONCEPTUALLY, DO YOU WANT TO PARTNER WITH SUSSEX A LITTLE BIAS OF SUSSEX HOPEWELL [LAUGHTER].
THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH HOPEWELL. THAT'S THE CASE.
WE'VE BEEN VERY ACTIVE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WE'VE LOST PROJECTS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE WATER AND WASTEWATER CAPACITY.
OUR SERVICE AUTHORITY IS IN A POSITION WHERE THEY ARE PROBABLY GOING TO PRIVATIZE.
WE LOOKED AT THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE ALL TO GET A SYSTEM IN PLACE THAT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO MEET YOUR NEED, BUT IT WILL ALSO MEET OUR NEED TOO.
I LOOK FOR THE WIN WIN IN ANY SITUATION, AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT IS A PERFECT MATCH AT THE RIGHT TIME TO DO SOMETHING IN PARTNERSHIP. ANY QUESTIONS?
>> GET MY ATTENTION, GUYS, SO I CAN KEEP TALKING ABOUT PARTNER NOW.
ARE Y'ALL LOOKING FOR US TO BUILD A PLAN AND OPERATE OR Y'ALL WANT TO SHARE THE COSTS WITH US?
>> WELL, THOSE ARE THE DETAILS OUT TO BE WORKED OUT.
I THINK WE HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED FRIDAY.
IF ALL GOES WELL, IF IT DOESN'T GO WELL, WE OBVIOUSLY WONT MEET, BUT, YEAH, WE WOULD HAVE A STAKE IN THAT.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, BUT, WE WOULD HAVE A STAKE IN THAT.
THAT'S ONLY FAIR IF IT'S GOING TO MEET OUR NEEDS AS WELL.
>> TO BE HONEST, IT MAKE ME FEEL MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE IF WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY THAT'S GOING TO AT LEAST SHARE PART OF THE COST WITH US.
I MEAN, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST TRYING TO PARTNER WITH SUSSEX AND TO BENEFIT YOUR COUNTY AND OUR COUNTY.
THAT WOULD BE VERY GOOD TO HEAR.
>> IT MAKES ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD INSTEAD OF US BUILDING OUR PLANT, YOU'RE BUILDING YOUR PLANT, WE UNDERSTAND WE HAVE COSTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INCUR FOR BOTH WATER AND WASTEWATER.
IF WE CAN DO IT COLLECTIVELY IT'S A GREAT THING.
>> I SAW YOU COME UP. DID YOU WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY?
>> GOOD EVENING, DAVID CONEY, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.
I WANT TO ALSO ADD TO THE CONVERSATION ON THE PARTNERSHIP YOU JUST HEARD EARLIER FROM MR. BOSWELL,
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THE RFA, WHO WAS TALKING, THAT IS ONE OF THE MECHANISMS BY WHICH THIS PARTNERSHIP COULD REALLY WORK WELL.WE ALSO HAVE OUR SITE AS WELL.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HELPS US WITH OUR SITE.
THIS IS A MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL PROJECT FOR BOTH COMMUNITIES.
THIS ALLOWS US TO SCALE UP IN A WAY THAT I DON'T THINK EITHER COMMUNITY COULD REALLY DO ON ITS OWN, OR IT WOULD BE THAT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT.
I JUST WANT TO SHARE THOSE TWO POINTS.
>> I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING ABOUT WHAT MR. BOSWELL PRESENTED TONIGHT, AND TO ME, THIS WOULD BE RIGHT IN LINE WITH THAT.
THERE MAY BE MONEY THAT VIRGINIA GATEWAY CAN GET FOR US AS WELL TO HELP SUPPORT BOTH LOCALITIES THROUGH THE VIRGINIA GO FUND.
BUT THIS IS A PERFECT REGIONAL.
THEN THERE'S OTHER REGIONAL MONIES OUT THERE THAT PROBABLY NONE OF US HAVE LOOKED INTO YET BECAUSE WE WEREN'T THINKING ABOUT WORKING REGIONALLY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OUR FRIENDS HERE THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT TO GIVE US SOME INSIGHT?
>> JUST A COMMENT WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING.
NO. IT MAKES ME FEEL A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TOWARDS A VISIONAL TYPE SITUATION.
THAT GOES A LONG WAY IN STEERING ME IN A DIRECTION.
>> THANK Y'ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT, THOUGH.
>> WHAT ARE WE DOING? PLAYING CARDS?
>> NO, I'M PASSING SOMETHING DOWN. YOU WANTED HIM TO SEE.
>> FOLKS, SO WE ARE AT A POINT TO HAVE TO OR HOPEFULLY MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH ROUTE WE WANT TO GO.
WE'VE HAD HOPEWELL HERE IN THE PAST.
THEY WERE AT A PRIOR MEETING, AND THEY SPOKE, AND WE NOW HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM SUSSEX COUNTY THAT HAVE SPOKEN TONIGHT. YES, SIR.
>> MR. CHAIR, IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION.
I'VE HEARD BOTH SIDES AND I UNDERSTAND MOST OF IT.
HOWEVER, I'M NOT OF AN OPINION TO TRY TO PUT.
YOU GOT TO LOOK AT THE PROS AND THE CONS, NOT WHAT COULD HAPPEN.
THERE ARE KNOWNS OUT HERE RIGHT NOW THAT WE KNOW ARE KNOWNS, WHICH SCARED THE HELL OUT OF ME AS FAR AS TRYING TO CUTTING ANY TYPE OF DEAL, NOT KNOWN AND NOT KNOWING THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY IN CONTROL OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
THEREFORE, I'M MAKING A MOTION FOR FRANK TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AGREEMENT WITH SUSSEX.
>> I'VE HEARD A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND?
>> WELL, I'M NOT SURE WHAT HE SAID. COULD YOU REPEAT.
>> HE MADE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD TO HAVE MR. HOLTON TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN AGREEMENT WITH SUSSEX COUNTY.
THAT'S A MOTION THAT'S MADE BY MR. WEBB.
I'M GOING TO ASK AGAIN, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION, WHICH MEANS AS A CHAIR, I CAN SECOND THAT MOTION, BUT I WILL GIVE UP THE GAVEL TO OUR VICE CHAIR OR CO CHAIR SO THAT SHE WOULD HAVE TO CARRY THE MOTION.
IF I'M FOLLOWING ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, PROPERLY, I CAN MAKE A SECOND, BUT I CANNOT CARRY THAT MOTION IF I WAS TO MAKE A MOTION OR THE SECOND, AM I CORRECT, SIR?
>> THAT'S EVEN IN YOUR [INAUDIBLE]
I WILL TURN THE GAVEL OVER TO OUR CO CHAIR, VICE CHAIR FOR HER TO CARRY THE MOTION.
THE MOTION WAS TO GO WITH THE SUSSEX ROUTE, TO AUTHORIZE MR. HOLTON TO GO WITH THE SUSSEX ROUTE, AND IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECOND.
YOU HAVE TO CARRY THAT MOTION THROUGH, MA'AM.
>> MS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
>> MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GIVE FRANK THE ABILITY TO WORK ON A CONTRACT WITH HOPEWELL AND SUSSEX TOGETHER.
>> BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. PUGH AND SECOND BY MR. COX, THAT WE GIVE MR. HOLTON THE AUTHORITY TO WORK WITH BOTH LOCALITIES ON AN AGREEMENT.
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YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION? ARE YOU READY FOR THE QUESTION? MS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?>> MOTION CARRY. MR. HOLTON, I'M REALLY PRAYING YOU HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO MAKE THIS WORK.
I'M VERY HONESTLY DISAPPOINTED.
I THINK WE'RE MAKING A HUGE MISTAKE HERE TONIGHT.
>> IF I COULD, THE SECOND ACTION WE'RE REQUESTING IS THAT CAN WE LOOK INTO A CONSULTANT TO HELP DEVELOP A FUNDING PLAN.
I BELIEVE WE JUST NEED A CONSENSUS.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED AN ACTUAL ACTION ITEM OR NOT, BUT TO BE ABLE TO LEAST START SEEKING OUT A CONSULTANT TO HELP US FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO FUND IT.
>> WOULDN'T WE HIRE DAVENPORT?
>> HE'S ASKING ABOUT DAVENPORT.
>> DAVENPORT IS ABLE TO ASSIST US IN THIS. SURE.
>> YOU DON'T NEED THAT FROM US.
>> NUMBER 5 IS A RESOLUTION FOR AN AWARD OF CONTRACT TO CAROLINA RECORDING SYSTEMS. THIS WILL BE MR. CHAD BOSSERMAN, WHO IS OUR DIRECTOR OF EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS.
I GUESS MS. DREWRY, IF NEEDED.
>> HEY, GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. STOKE AND MR. COLLOS.
>> I'M HERE TO SEE A RE-CUSTOMER RESOLUTION TO APPROPRIATE GRANT FUNDING AND TO AUTHORIZE AN AWARD OF CONTRACT TO PURCHASE A NEW LOGGING RECORDER FOR THE CENTER.
BACK IN MARCH, THE CENTER RECEIVED AUTHORITY TO APPLY FOR THE VDEM NEXTGEN, ADDITIONAL FUNDING 911 GRANT.
THAT GRANT WAS AWARDED LAST MONTH, TOTALING 150,000.
WITH THAT FUNDING AND THROUGH COOPERATIVE CONTRACT PRICING, I'M REQUESTING TO AWARD THE CONTRACT TO CAROLINA RECORDINGS IN THE AMOUNT OF $123,697.
THAT WILL PROVIDE A ROBUST RECORDING SYSTEM FOR THE CENTER.
THE PURCHASE WILL RESULT IN AN AMENDMENT TO THE L3HARRIS SERVICE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT, WHICH WILL BE COMING FORWARD IN A FUTURE MEETING.
THE REMAINING FUNDS FROM THE GRANT WILL GO TOWARDS REPLACEMENT OF CHAIRS AND OTHER OPERATIONAL ITEMS. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
>> DOES ANY BOARD MEMBER HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BOSSERMAN ON THIS AWARD OF CONTRACT?
>> I'M GOOD. THIS IS NOT TO EXCEED $123,697.07.
SO BOARD MEMBERS, I NEED A MOTION ON THIS, PLEASE?
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR, TO APPROVE.
>> IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. PUGH AND SECOND BY MR. COX THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THE RESOLUTION FOR THE AWARD OF CONTRACT TO CAROLINA RECORDING SYSTEMS LLC, NOT TO EXCEED $123,697.07.
YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. ARE YOU READY FOR THE QUESTION?
>> MS. KNOTT, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
>> THE NEXT ITEM, AND JUST TO CALL OUT TO OUR BOARD MEMBERS, IT'S 9:31.
WE DO HAVE A CLAUSE IN OUR BY LAWS THAT WE CANNOT GO PAST 11:00 PM.
IF WE GET TO THAT POINT AND THERE'S ANY ITEMS THAT WE HAVE NOT COVERED, THEY WOULD AUTOMATICALLY ROLL OVER TO THE NEXT BOARD MEETING.
>> MR. BROWN, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I HOPE WE'RE NOT HERE TILL 11:00.
>> WELL, I DO HOPE WE'RE NOT HERE, BUT I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT AS RECORD, SO EVEN THAT THE PUBLIC IS AWARE.
>> I THINK WE'LL BE ALRIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 6 IS A RESOLUTION FOR AN OPIOID ABATEMENT AUTHORITY COOPERATIVE PARTNERSHIP AWARD, AND THIS IS FROM MS. DENISE WAFF, WHO IS OUR RCJA DIRECTOR.
>> YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING. I WILL BE BRIEF.
GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN BROWN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. STOKE. I AM HERE WITH GOOD NEWS TONIGHT.
I WAS LAST BEFORE THE BOARD BACK IN FEBRUARY AND REQUESTED FOR STAFF TO PREPARE AN APPLICATION FOR OUR VIRGINIA OPIOID ABATEMENT AUTHORITY COOPERATIVE PARTNERSHIP GRANT APPLICATION, AND THAT WAS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THREE OF OUR NEIGHBORING LOCALITIES: DINWIDDIE, SURRY, AND THE CITY OF HOPEWELL.
YOU ALL DID AUTHORIZE STAFF TO SUBMIT THAT APPLICATION, AND THAT WAS AGAIN, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THOSE OTHER LOCALITIES I MENTIONED, AS WELL AS WITH OUR COMMUNITY SERVICES BOARD, DISTRICT 19, NOW CALLED GREATER REACH.
THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR, AND THAT GRANT WAS FOR A MOBILE OVERDOSE RESPONSE UNIT.
I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE TERRELL STEWART IS HERE WITH GREATER REACH CSB.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT PROJECT,
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I DID GO OVER THE SPECIFICS OF THAT PROJECT WHEN I WAS HERE IN FEBRUARY.AS I SAID, THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED IN APRIL.
PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY DID RECEIVE NOTIFICATION IN JUNE THAT WE RECEIVED AN AWARD.
OUR TOTAL FY 2026 GRANT AMOUNT IS $113,981.
I HAVE PROVIDED A COPY OF THE AWARD LETTER IN YOUR PACKET, AS WELL AS AN AWARD ACCEPTANCE PACKAGE FOR YOUR REVIEW.
AS CONTINGENCY TO ACCEPTING THIS AWARD, COMPLETION OF AN OPERATIONAL AGREEMENT IS REQUIRED BY THE PARTICIPATING LOCALITIES AND MUST BE SUBMITTED TO THE OPIOID ABATEMENT AUTHORITY BEFORE THEY WILL RELEASE FUNDING.
THE OPERATIONAL AGREEMENT IS ALSO PROVIDED FOR YOUR REVIEW IN YOUR PACKET.
IT WAS DRAFTED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY IN DINWIDDIE, BUT RECEIVED INPUT FROM THE OTHER LOCALITY ATTORNEYS, AND WE ALSO WORKED WITH SANDS ANDERSON THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.
THE COUNTY OF DINWIDDIE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DID APPROVE THE OPERATIONAL AGREEMENT ON JULY 15.
THE CITY OF HOPEWELL HAS THIS ITEM ON THEIR AGENDA ACTUALLY TONIGHT AS WELL, AND SURRY COUNTY WILL BE VOTING TO APPROVE THE OPERATIONAL AGREEMENT THIS THURSDAY.
I'M HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY, REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD; FOR OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE A REGIONAL OPIOID ABATEMENT OPERATIONAL AGREEMENT SO THAT WE CAN PROCEED WITH ACCEPTING THE AWARD.
>> BOARD MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. COX AND SECOND BY MR. PUGH THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO ENTER INTO THIS PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT AND TO SIGN THE OPERATIONAL AGREEMENT.
YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THE AGREEMENT THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET IS NOT THE FINAL VERSION THAT'S BEEN NEGOTIATED.
I THINK THE WAY YOU WORDED THE MOTION IS FINE, BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THAT'S NOT THE FINAL VERSION JUST TO GIVE AUTHORIZATION.
>> WE WOULD BE GIVING AUTHORIZATION TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO SIGN THE OPERATIONAL AGREEMENT AS FINAL ACT.
>> WE'LL APPROVE IT AS TO FORM FOR IT'S BENEFIT.
>> YES, SIR. NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. [OVERLAPPING] THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> I BELIEVE A FOOTNOTE WAS REMOVED, AND THERE WAS A DUPLICATE PARAGRAPH. THERE WERE SOME MINOR.
>> THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER PARTY WHO WAS ADDED LATER WHO HAS NOT GOTTEN BACK TO US WITH COMMENTS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE ANYTHING SUBSTANTIVE.
>> IS THAT PARTY THE GREATER REACH CSB?
I THINK YOU MAY BE SPEAKING OF THE MOU.
THAT'S BETWEEN FISCAL AGENT PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY AND THEIR DEPARTMENT.
>> THIS ONE STILL, THOUGH, THAT'S NOT THE FINAL VERSION.
>> I DON'T THINK THAT CHANGES [OVERLAPPING].
>> YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? MS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
>> THANK YOU ALL. HAVE A GOOD EVENING.
>> THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
NEXT IS A REQUEST FROM HCA VIRGINIA TO ESTABLISH AND OPERATE A NON EMERGENCY INNER FACILITY AMBULANCE TRANSPORT SERVICE IN PRINCE GEORGE, AND THIS WILL BE FROM CHIEF CACERES.
>> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, ALL ASSEMBLED.
TONIGHT, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE A REQUEST BY HCA VIRGINIA TO ESTABLISH AND OPERATE A NON EMERGENCY INNER FACILITY AMBULANCE TRANSPORT SERVICE IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.
THIS REQUIRES APPROVAL BY THIS BOARD, ACCORDING TO THE VIRGINIA CODE, FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH THIS SERVICE.
TWO THINGS THAT ARE OF WHY I'M ACTUALLY HERE PRESENTING.
THE FIRST ONE IS THAT THERE'S A BENEFIT TO THE CITIZENS, THE RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY, AS IT IMPROVES THE CONTINUITY OF CARE.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE TRANSPORT SOMEBODY TO THE STANDING ER IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY WITH THIS NON EMERGENCY SERVICE, THEY CAN EXPEDITE THE AVAILABILITY OF BEDS.
THEY CAN EXPEDITE THE TRANSFER OF ONE OF OUR RESINS TO A MORE APPROPRIATE FACILITY.
SO THAT EXPEDITES THE SERVICE AND THAT THEY PROVIDE AS A TEAM WITH PRINCE GEORGE FIRE & EMS. THE OTHER SMALLER BENEFIT OF SORTS IS THAT,
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WE DON'T DO IT A LOT, BUT IT WILL REDUCE THE NUMBER OF NON EMERGENT TRANSPORTS THAT WE HAVE TO DO FOR HCA IF THEY CAN'T FIND A PRIVATE PROVIDER.THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE IT ON THEMSELVES.
THEY'LL BE ABLE TO COORDINATE THIS SERVICE BETTER, AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO DOES EXPEDITE THE SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE TO THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY.
MEMBERS OF HCA OR REPRESENTATIVES OF HCA ARE HERE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE THEM.
IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU? THEY CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT BETTER FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE.
BOARD, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.
CHIEF DID A WONDERFUL JOB OF EXPLAINING THE PURPOSE OF OUR VISIT HERE TONIGHT.
IT DOES REQUIRE RESOLUTION FOR US TO GET OUR EMS LICENSE, TO BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH AND OPERATE THE AMBULANCE SERVICE.
AND AGAIN, IT'S FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PATIENTS, TO BENEFIT PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY FREESTANDING ER OPERATED BY HCA SO WE CAN EXPEDITE PATIENT TRANSPORTS TO EITHER DEFINITIVE CARE, TRY CITY'S HOSPITAL OR WHEREVER THEY WOULD NEED TO GO.
>> WE WILL PARK THE AMBULANCES BASICALLY EVERY NIGHT OR WHEN THEY'RE OFF DUTY AT CHIPPENHAM HOSPITAL, AND THAT'S DUE TO PHARMACY REGULATIONS.
WE'LL BE DEPARTMENT OF CHIPPENHAM, BUT WE WILL BE SERVING MAINLY PRINCE GEORGE FREESTANDING ER AND SWIFT CREEK FREESTANDING ER.
>> WE'LL NOT BE DOING ANY 911 RESPONSES.
>> WHAT ARE YOUR HOURS OF OPERATION?
>> CHIEF, ARE WE LOSING ANY REVENUE FROM DOING THIS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY GETTING?
>> NO, I THINK IN BALANCE, IT'S A BENEFIT TO US.
THESE NON EMERGENT TRANSPORTS TAKE LONGER.
THEY TAKE OUR RESOURCES OUT OF THE COUNTY FOR LONGER PERIODS OF TIME.
LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T DO A LOT OF THEM.
I THINK IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS, WE MIGHT HAVE DONE TWO, MAYBE THREE. WE DO SOME.
>> BOARD MEMBERS, PLEASE, I HAVE TO REMIND YOU.
IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK, PLEASE GET MY ATTENTION AND BE RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR SO THAT YOU CAN SPEAK ON THE FLOOR.
I DO THAT SO THAT NOBODY IS STEPPING OVER ANYBODY ELSE.
THAT'S PART OF ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, IT'S TO BE RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR, AND THEN YOU'RE GIVEN THE FLOOR TO SPEAK.
>> ONE OF THE OTHER MAIN PURPOSES IN DOING THIS IS, IN THE CURRENT STATE OF EMS TRANSPORT IN VIRGINIA, IT'S BECOMING MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT TO GET TRANSPORT IN A TIMELY MANNER.
WE IDENTIFIED THAT NEED, AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE DECIDED TO DOWN THIS PATH.
WE'VE ALREADY PURCHASED TWO AMBULANCES.
WE'LL BE APPLYING FOR OUR LICENSE SOON.
WE HOPE IT'LL BE OPERATIONAL BY JANUARY.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF OR FOR ANYBODY FROM HCA?
>> IF NOT, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE?
>> BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. WEBB AND SECOND BY MR. COX THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THIS REQUEST FROM HCA TO ESTABLISH AND OPERATE A NON EMERGENCY AMBULANCE TRANSPORT SERVICE HERE IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.
YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION, ARE YOU READY FOR THE QUESTION? MRS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
>> OUR NEXT ITEM IS A RESOLUTION FOR AN EXEMPTION FOR ONE YEAR ON THE USE OF SCHOOL STYROFOAM TRAYS.
I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE MR. BARNES.
>> GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN BROWN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. STOKE, CITY AND COUNTY ATTORNEY, AND THOSE ASSEMBLED.
AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE, THE STATE OF VIRGINIA INSTITUTED A BAN ON STYROFOAM AND PRIVATE FOOD SERVING FACILITIES THIS YEAR, AS OF JULY 1ST, AND THAT DOES AFFECT PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
NONE OF OUR EIGHT SCHOOLS HAVE DISHWASHERS IN THEM.
WE HAVE ALWAYS RELIED ON SINGLE-USE TRAYS.
WE DO HAVE THE OPTION OF COMPOSTABLE TRAYS THAT RUN ABOUT A LITTLE LESS THAN FIVE CENTS A PIECE, MORE EXPENSIVE, AND WE SERVE AROUND A MILLION MEALS A YEAR.
WE ARE ASKING FOR A ONE-YEAR EXEMPTION BASED ON THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF $50,000 A YEAR IN ADDITIONAL COSTS FOR OUR PROGRAM JUST TO SERVE THE KIDS LUNCH.
THE LEGISLATURE HAS PROVIDED FOR THIS LAW AS OF JULY 1ST, BUT THE LOCAL BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS THE ONE THAT PROVIDES THE EXEMPTION.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BARNES?
>> NO, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
>> BOARD MEMBERS, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE?
>> MR. CHAIR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION.
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>> IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY MR. PUGH AND SECONDED BY MR. WEBB THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION GIVING A ONE-YEAR EXEMPTION ON THE USE OF SCHOOL STYROFOAM TRAYS.
MS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
>> NEXT IS THE AUTHORITY TO APPLY FOR VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER GRANT.
THIS WOULD BE FOR SOUTH BEASLEY MIDDLE ROAD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, AND THIS IS POLICE CHIEF EARLY.
>> YES. GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN BROWN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
MR. STOKE. APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE YOU.
WE RECENTLY WERE MADE AWARE OF ANOTHER DCGS DEPARTMENT OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES SRO FUNDING GRANT OPPORTUNITY.
I'M HERE BEFORE YOU TO ASK FOR AUTHORITY TO APPLY FOR THE GRANT.
YOU ALREADY MENTIONED THE THREE SCHOOLS, SOUTH, BEASLEY, AND MIDDLE ROAD.
WE'RE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING AUTHORITY TO APPLY FOR GRANTS FOR THOSE THREE SCHOOLS.
WE COULD BE DENIED ALL OF THEM.
WE COULD GET ONE TWO, OR ALL THREE.
THE GRANT FUNDS, IF AWARDED, WILL BE FOR A 12-MONTH CYCLE BEGINNING JANUARY 1ST OF 2026, ENDING DECEMBER 31ST OF 2026.
AS YOU KNOW, THE CONTINUATION FUNDING IS NEVER GUARANTEED, BUT WE HAVE HAD GRANTS RUN FOR SIX YEARS.
THE TOTAL AMOUNT REQUESTED FOR THE GRANT APPLICATION IS $100,000 PER POSITION FOR A TOTAL OF 300,000 FOR THE THREE POSITIONS.
WE ARE REQUESTING THE STATE TO PROVIDE $76,790 PER POSITION FOR A GRAND TOTAL OF $230,370 FROM THE STATE TO GRANT TO US.
WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MATCH $23,210 PER POSITION FOR A TOTAL OF 69,630 FOR THE THREE POSITIONS.
THAT'S BASED ON THE COMPOSITE INDEX, LOCAL ABILITY TO PAY AT A RATE OF 0.23, 21, OR 23%.
THE TOTAL SALARY AND BENEFITS PER POSITION THAT THE COUNTY PAYS IS $93,662.
THE COUNTY WILL BE REQUIRED TO PAY THE DIFFERENCE IN SALARY AND BENEFITS IN THE AMOUNT OF $16,872 PER POSITION.
THE COUNTY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR 78,212 FOR VEHICLE AND EQUIPMENT EXPENSES PER POSITION.
TOTAL COUNTY COSTS PER POSITION WOULD BE $95,084.47.
TOTAL COUNTY EXPENSES FOR ALL THREE POSITIONS SHOULD WE BE AWARDED ALL THREE GRANTS, OR ALL THREE POSITIONS WITHIN THE GRANT WOULD BE $285,253.41.
THE DEADLINE FOR THE GRANT SUBMISSION IS TOMORROW.
WE HAVE THE GRANT APPLICATION READY TO GO.
THERE'S A DRAFT RESOLUTION IN YOUR PACKET, AND I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF EARLY?
>> IF NOT, I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION, PLEASE.
>> MR. CHAIR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
>> IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. PUGH AND SECOND BY MRS. WAYMACK THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THIS AUTHORITY TO APPLY FOR THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES GRANT FOR THE THREE SCHOOLS THAT WERE MENTIONED EARLIER.
MRS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
>> THANK YOU, SIR. THIS IS A RESOLUTION TO REAPPROPRIATE 296,000 OUTSTANDING JUNE 30TH 2025, COUNTY ENCUMBRANCES PURCHASE ORDERS, AND THIS WILL BE FROM MRS. DREWRY.
>> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS, MR. STOKE, MR. COUNCIL.
WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING BEFORE YOU AN ANNUAL REQUEST TO REAPPROPRIATE FUNDING OF SINGLE-YEAR FUNDING FOR PURCHASE ORDERS THAT WERE OUTSTANDING ON JUNE 30TH.
THERE WERE 16 PURCHASE ORDERS THAT REMAINED OUTSTANDING OR OPEN ON JUNE 30TH THAT NEED REAPPROPRIATION BY THE BOARD.
THEY TOTALED $296,633.46, OF WHICH, $255,628.46 IS GENERAL FUND.
THIRTY THOUSAND IS WITHIN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND, ANOTHER $10,455 IS WITHIN THE UTILITIES OPERATING FUND, AND $550,000 IS IN THE UTILITIES REPLACEMENT RESERVE FUND.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
IN THE BOARD PACKET IS ALSO A LISTING OF THOSE CAPITAL PURCHASE ORDERS THAT DO NOT REQUIRE REAPPROPRIATION, AND THERE WERE 23 OF THOSE, AND THEY TOTAL OVER 22 MILLION, THE LARGEST OF WHICH ARE FOR UTILITY AND CAPITAL-FUNDED PROJECTS.
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THERE I>> S ONE PURCHASE ORDER TO VISION WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND.
THAT AMOUNT MAY ACTUALLY GO DOWN.
MR. STOKE DID HAVE SOME INVOICES THAT ARE OPEN FROM FY 25 THAT WE MAY PAY FROM FY 25 AND REDUCE THE AMOUNT CARRIED FORWARD INTO '26.
WE ARE WORKING OUT THE ACCOUNTING ON THAT.
THOSE TWO INVOICES DID TOTAL $36,005.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DREWRY?
>> IF NOT, I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS REAPPROPRIATION.
>> I'LL TAKE IT AS MR. WEBB, YOU'RE MAKING THE MOTION, AND MR. COX, AM I OKAY FOR YOU A SECOND?
>> THANK YOU. THIS IS TO REAPPROPRIATE $296,633.46 FROM OUTSTANDING PURCHASE ORDERS.
MS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
>> DON'T GO ANYWHERE, MISS DREWRY.
>> NOW IT'S A REAPPROPRIATION ON THE SCHOOL OPERATING FUND OF $97,098.97.
>> YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING AGAIN.
THE SCHOOL DIVISION, SIMILAR TO THE COUNTY, DID HAVE SOME OPEN PURCHASE ORDERS ON JUNE 30TH.
THE SERVICE WAS NOT COMPLETE, OR THE GOODS WERE NOT DELIVERED ON OR BEFORE JUNE 30TH.
THEY'RE REQUESTING REAPPROPRIATION FOR 12 PURCHASE ORDERS, $97,098.97.
AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, THE SCHOOL OPERATING FUND DOES NOT CARRY A FUND BALANCE.
ANY RESERVES REVERTS TO THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE AT YEAR END.
WITH THIS REAPPROPRIATION, THIS AMOUNT WOULD REDUCE THE CARRY-FORWARD APPROPRIATION THAT MAY BE BROUGHT TO YOU AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THE AUDIT.
I WILL SAY THAT OF THAT 97,000 $80,108.97 WOULD COME FROM FUND BALANCE, ANOTHER 16,990 WOULD BE A GRANT REIMBURSEMENT.
>> I COULD ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FROM MISS JERRY ON THIS SCHOOL REAPPROPRIATION? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, PLEASE.
>> MR. CHAIR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
>> IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. PUGH AND SECONDED BY MRS. WAYMACK THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THE RESOLUTION ON THE REAPPORTIONMENT OF A TOTAL OF $97,098.97 RELATED TO SCHOOL OPERATING FUND OUTSTANDING PURCHASE ORDERS.
MRS KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
>> MOTION CARRY. NEXT IS A RESOLUTION FOR AN APPROPRIATION OF UNEXPENDED 2024/'25 BUDGETS TO FISCAL YEAR '25/'26.
IT'S A LITTLE OVER $890,000, GRANTS, DONATIONS, AND DESIGNATED FUNDS. MISS DREWRY.
>> YES, SIR. AS MR. CHAIRMAN INDICATED, WE ARE REQUESTING REAPPROPRIATION FOR MULTIPLE FUNDING SOURCES FOR GRANTS, DONATIONS, AND DESIGNATED FUNDS THAT SPAN MORE THAN ONE FISCAL YEAR.
THOSE LARGELY ARE RELATED TO PUBLIC SAFETY GRANTS, OUR LAW LIBRARY, FIRE PROGRAM FUNDS, OTHER FIRE AND EMS GRANTS, THE SHERIFF COURTHOUSE SECURITY FEE, SMALL AMOUNT OF DONATIONS WITHIN SOCIAL SERVICES, THE FARMERS MARKET, AND THE RECOVERY COURT, ALSO WITHIN PARKS AND RECREATION.
THE GENERAL FUND TOTAL IS $803,837.91.
AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT OF $74,150.40 IS ASSET FORFEITURE FUNDS.
THERE'S ALSO A LITTLE UNDER 11,000 IN SPORTS TOURISM WITHIN THE TOURISM FUND, AND SPECIAL WELFARE FUNDS AMOUNT TO $1,611.56.
REAPPROPRIATION WILL ALLOW STAFF IN THOSE DEPARTMENTS TO CONTINUE TO MAKE EXPENDITURES WITH THOSE DONATIONS AND DESIGNATED FUNDS IN THE NEW FISCAL YEAR.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS YURY ON THIS ONE?
>> I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS, PLEASE.
>> IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. COX AND SECOND BY MR. WEBB,
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THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THE RESOLUTION FOR THE APPROPRIATION OF THESE UNEXPENDED FUNDS OR UNEXPENDED BUDGETS 2024-2025 TO 2025/'26.YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. YOU'RE READY FOR THE QUESTION?
>> MS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
>> MOTION CARRY. THANK YOU, MISS DREWRY.
NEXT IS A RESOLUTION FOR AN APPOINTMENT TO THE APPOMATTOX REGIONAL LIBRARY BOARD, AND THIS IS AN INTERIM TERM.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE NOMINATE MISS VANESSA DENNIS FOR THE REGIONAL LIBRARY INTERIM POSITION. WINNER. I'M SORRY.
>> WHAT'S THE LAST NAME AGAIN?
>> DENNIS. I NEED A SECOND, PLEASE?
>> IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. COX AND SECOND BY MR. PUGH THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THE RESOLUTION APPOINTING MISS DENNIS, RIGHT? TO THE APPOMATTOX REGIONAL LIBRARY BOARD TO FULFILL AN INTERIM TERM.
YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> MS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
>> MOTION CARRIED. NEXT IS A RESOLUTION FOR AN APPOINTMENT TO THE SOCIAL SERVICES ADVISORY BOARD.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO APPOINT MISS ASHLEY BASS TO THE SOCIAL SERVICES ADVISORY BOARD.
>> MISS BASS, I NEED A SECOND, PLEASE?
>> IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. COX AND SECOND BY MRS WAYMACK THAT WE WOULD APPOINT MISS BASS TO THE SOCIAL SERVICES ADVISORY BOARD.
MS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
NEXT IS A RESOLUTION FOR THREE APPOINTMENTS TO OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT COMMITTEE.
IT'S A ONE-YEAR TERM, AND THERE ARE THREE APPOINTMENTS THAT WE'LL NEED TO MAKE.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO APPOINT MR. VATIPO, MISS SHRIVER, AND MR. NUGENT.
>> THOSE ARE THE THREE APPOINTMENTS, MR. NUGENT.
I BELIEVE THESE ARE THE THREE CITIZEN APPOINTMENTS TO THAT COMMITTEE FOR A ONE-YEAR TERM.
>> MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE FOR THE CLERK TO NOTE I'M ABSTAINING BECAUSE I CURRENTLY SIT ON A CIP.
>> IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED, AND SECOND FOR THE THREE NAMES THAT WERE READ OUT THAT WE WOULD APPOINT.
MR. WEBB HAS STATED THAT HE WILL ABSTAIN BECAUSE HE IS ACTUALLY THE BOARD'S APPOINTEE TO THE CIP COMMITTEE.
SO HE'S ABSTAINING FOR THAT REASON. YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? MS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
>> MOTION CARRY. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THAT'S THE END OF OUR BUSINESS ITEMS FOR TONIGHT.
I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT, PLEASE.
>> MR. CHAIR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
>> IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. PUGH AND SECOND.
I'M GOING TO GO WITH MRS WAYMACK TO ADJOURN OUR MEETING FOR TONIGHT.
MS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
>> MOTION CARRIED. WE HAVE ADJOURNED.
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