UP. THERE YOU ARE. YEP. I HEREBY CALLED THIS HEARING OF THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY BOARD OF EQUALIZATION TO [Convene Meeting] [00:00:10] ORDER. SECRETARY, WOULD YOU CONDUCT A ROLL CALL OF THE MINUTES? MEMBERS. KEVIN WINFREY. RAYMOND EVERETT, PRESENT. HENRY GEISS, PRESENT. MARY ANN WHITE, PRESENT. ELIZABETH ABERNATHY, PRESENT. ERIC CRAWFORD, ALTERNATE. PRESENT. I HEREBY CONVENE THIS HEARING OF THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY BOARD OF EQUALIZATION. WOULD THE COUNTY STAFF PLEASE RISE AND INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, INCLUDING THE OFFICER AND DEPUTY? DEBORAH SALAKO, REAL ESTATE TECHNICIAN. JASON COWAN. JOHN MURPHY. CHRISTINA. FRASER. CAROL. CRAWFORD. TECHNICIAN. DEPUTY. SHERIFF. OFFICER. CAPTAIN. BRUCE. WOOD. PARTICIPANT FROM VISION. PLEASE STAND. INTRODUCE YOURSELVES. HELLO. GOOD MORNING. I'M ERIC PINER WITH VISION. WE. WOULD THE PEOPLE EXTERNALLY INTRODUCE THEMSELVES? MIKE TORELLO FROM VISION. JOHN CURLEY FROM VISION. THANK YOU ALL. EXPECTATIONS OF BEHAVIOR. INDIVIDUALS OF THE PUBLIC ARE WELCOME TO ATTEND TODAY'S HEARING, BUT THERE WILL BE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS PURSUANT TO BOE BYLAW 6.4.1. ONLY INDIVIDUALS RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR ARE PERMITTED TO SPEAK. FAILURE TO FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS OF THE CHAIR MAY RESULT IN YOUR OBJECTION FROM THE HEARING. DISRUPTION OF TODAY'S HEARINGS MAY RESULT IN A CRIMINAL CHARGE OF DISORDERLY CONDUCT, WHICH IS A CLASS ONE MISDEMEANOR. HOW THE HEARINGS WILL PROCEED AT THE CONCLUSION OF THESE INTRODUCTORY COMMENTS, WE WILL SWEAR IN THE COUNTY STAFF WHO WILL BE SPEAKING TODAY. WE WILL THEN BEGIN CALLING THOSE CASES WHICH FILED A TIMELY APPEAL PURSUANT TO PRINCE GEORGE CODE 74, DASH ONE, 95 AND 70 4-1 96. WE WILL CALL THE APPELLANT AND SWEAR THE APPELLANT IN AS A WITNESS. WE WILL THEN LET THE APPELLANT PRESENT THEIR CASE. AFTERWARD, THE COUNTY ASSESSOR'S OFFICE WILL BE PRESENT. WILL PRESENT ON THE APPEAL. THE APPELLANT WILL BE ABLE TO REBUT. ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WILL THEN MAKE A MOTION ON WHAT TO DO WITH THE APPEAL. THE BOARD MAY DISCUSS THE ISSUE AND THE BOARD WILL VOTE. IF WE CALL AN APPEAL AND THE APPELLANT IS NOT PRESENT, WE WILL DISMISS THE CASE. IF THE APPELLANT SHOWS UP LATER, WE MAY REOPEN IT UPON REQUEST. WHAT THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION WILL NOT DISCUSS TODAY. THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION WILL NOT HEAR ANY APPEALS THAT WERE NOT PROPERLY APPEALED PURSUANT TO PRINCE GEORGE CODE 17, DASH ONE, 95 AND 70 4-1 96. THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION ALSO WILL NOT VOID A GENERAL REASSESSMENT OR ANNUAL ASSESSMENT ORDER. A NEW ASSESSMENT MAKE OVERALL BLANKET INCREASES OR DECREASES IN ASSESSMENTS FOR THE LOCALITY. MAKE ASSESSMENT CHANGES THAT ARE EITHER RETROACTIVE FOR PAST YEARS OR PROSPECTIVE FOR FUTURE YEARS. CLASSIFIED PROPERTY, WHICH MEANS DETERMINE IF THE PROPERTY IS TO BE ASSESSED AS REAL ESTATE OR PERSONAL PROPERTY. ACCEPT PROPERTY OR CHANGE, A METHOD OF VALUING A CLASS OF PROPERTY. IF AFTER THE HEARING YOU WISH TO LEAVE, I WILL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEAVE BEFORE WE BEGIN CALLING APPEALS. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE DIRECT THEM TO THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE AND IT IS OPEN TODAY. I WOULD LIKE FOR THE COUNTY STAFF THAT WILL BE SPEAKING ALONG WITH VISION. THAT WILL BE SPEAKING TO RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. STAND, PLEASE. PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. [00:05:09] PLEASE SHARE YOUR FULL NAME. JASON COWAN. ERIC PINTER. CAN YOU ALL SPEAK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT? JOHN CROWLEY. DO YOU SWEAR OR PROMISE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH TODAY UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY? YES. YES. EXTERNAL. YES. THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE SEATED. THE FIRST HEARING TODAY WILL BE JAMES KELLER AND [New Business] MARIA MCDONALD. IS MR.. KELLER OR MCDONALD HERE? IF SO, PLEASE STEP FORWARD TO THE PODIUM. MR. KELLER, YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES IN WHICH TO PRESENT YOUR CASE. IF YOU WILL RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, PLEASE, PLEASE STATE YOUR FULL NAME FOR THE RECORD. JAMES KELLER, DO YOU SWEAR OR PROMISE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH TODAY UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY? YES, I DO. YOU MAY PROCEED. THANK YOU. I'M HERE TODAY IN LARGE PART BECAUSE THE COUNTY HAS NEVER ACTED ON MY TIMELY SUBMITTED APPEAL FOR AN IN-OFFICE APPEAL. I'M ALSO HERE TODAY BECAUSE THE COUNTY IS NOT COMPLYING WITH VA CODE 58.13331, PARAGRAPHS B AND C, DESPITE SEVERAL WRITTEN REQUESTS FOR THAT INFORMATION. THERE'S ALSO AN ERROR ON MY PROPERTY CARD. THE REFERRING NOW TO THE. ORGANIZATION'S MANUAL. 48 I BELIEVE. PARDON ME. HERE WE GO. PAGE 46, SECTION B, SECOND PARAGRAPH. IT DETAILS WHAT HAPPENS IF THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS MADE A WRITTEN REQUEST FOR INFORMATION. 58.1.3331 PARAGRAPH A THROUGH C, AND HAVE NOT RECEIVED IN A TIMELY FASHION WITHIN 15 DAYS. THEN THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICER, THE ASSESSING OFFICER SHALL PROVIDE SUCH RECORDS WITHIN 15 DAYS OF A WRITTEN REQUEST. MY REQUEST WAS MADE APRIL 7TH. I RECEIVED PARTIAL FULFILLMENT OF THAT ON THE 5TH OF MAY. THAT'S MORE THAN 15 DAYS. IF THE ASSESSING OFFICER FAILS TO DO SO, THE ASSESSING OFFICER SHALL PRESENT THE FOLLOWING AND EVIDENCE PRIOR TO THE PRESENTATION OF EVIDENCE BY THE TAXPAYER AT THE HEARING. COPIES OF THE ASSESSMENT RECORDS MAINTAINED BY THE ASSESSING OFFICER. TESTIMONY THAT EXPLAINS THE METHODOLOGY. THE TESTIMONY THAT STATES THE ASSESSED VALUE WAS ARRIVED AT IN ACCORDANCE WITH GENERAL APPRAISAL PRACTICES. WITH THAT, IT'S MY OPINION THAT IT'S OVER TO THE ASSESSOR TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO THE BOARD IN WRITING AT THIS TIME. YOU COULD YOU CAN ASK HIM TO JUST GO AHEAD AND IDENTIFY WHAT THE THE ISSUE IS, IS THAT IS IT THE END OF YEAR TIME. ARE YOU FINISHED, SIR? NO, NO. WELL, AT THIS POINT, THERE'S A PAUSE BECAUSE IT SAYS THIS INFORMATION AT THIS POINT, BASED ON THE INFORMATION I'VE GIVEN, THAT THE NEXT STEP IN THIS PROCESS IS FOR THE ASSESSOR TO DO THE THREE THINGS THAT I OUTLINED. BEFORE RECEIVING MY TESTIMONY. THE ASSESSOR MUST PRESENT THIS WRITTEN INFORMATION TO THE BOARD. I HAVE A WRITTEN PROPERTY RECORD CARD IN FRONT OF ME FOR YOUR PROPERTY. YES, SIR. THAT'S A THAT DOES NOT SATISFY REQUIREMENTS OF PARAGRAPH B AND C. WHAT IF I MAY? WHAT INFORMATION DID YOU NOT RECEIVE OR AT YOUR REQUEST? I'M OVER HERE. I'M SORRY. OKAY. I'M SORRY. THE INFORMATION THAT'S REFERENCED IN PARAGRAPH B AND C, SIR. SO ARE YOU. WHICH MANUAL ARE YOU USING? WHAT IS THE DATE ON THE FRONT? JANUARY 1ST, 2023. IT'S FROM THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TAXATION. IT'S THE MOST CURRENT VERSION I COULD FIND. I HAVE A JANUARY OF 2025 VERSION. I'M HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME FINDING THAT PARTICULAR PAGE NUMBER. OKAY, IT'S SECTION 58 .13379 HEARING COMPLAINTS AND EQUAL EQUALIZING ASSESSMENTS. [00:10:08] DO YOU HAVE THE LANGUAGE OF THAT STATUTE HANDY? THIS YEAR? YEAH. TALKING ABOUT SECTION I CAN SEE 3379. SO YOU GAVE THAT AS INFORMATION TO US. EXCUSE US. WE DON'T MEAN TO BE PAUSING, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND AND FOLLOW YOU IN WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. YES, MA'AM. SO JUST GIVE US A SECOND. WE'VE GOT A BIG MANUAL HERE. OKAY, OKAY. HERE IT IS. 0337. GOTCHA. IS THIS THE ONE THAT'S ON THE BOARD THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF, SIR? 58. IF YOU COULD SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. COULD WE KILL THIS? THIS IS ANNOYING. YEAH. CAN WE CUT THAT OFF FOR A MINUTE? THANK YOU. THANKS. WHAT? SO. HI. SO GOOD MORNING. I'M TALI GWYNN. I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR THE BOARD. EQUALIZATION. SO. THREE, THREE, SEVEN, NINE USUALLY HAS COME UP, AND MY PRACTICE HAS BEEN THE ACTUAL AT CIRCUIT COURT PROCEEDINGS. IT MAKES THINGS A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED TO BOE BECAUSE THE BOWS ARE IN A FORMAL PROCESS. IF YOU COULD, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAD IDENTIFIED THAT YOU HAD ONE ISSUE WITH THE PROPERTY CARD. THAT WAY WE CAN ADDRESS IT. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH. I HAVE EIGHT ROOMS INSTEAD OF TEN. OKAY. WAS THAT WAS THAT THE ONE ISSUE? YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. AT THAT POINT THEN THEN WE CAN MOVE ON AND HAVE THE ASSESSOR STATE WHATEVER THEY NEED TO COMMENT ON THERE ACCORDING TO THIS, WHICH IS OR MAYBE PROVIDING WRITTEN COPIES. YEAH. SO WE HAVE WE HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF RECORDS UP HERE FOR FOR THE BOARD ALREADY. SO YES, BUT CERTAINLY YOU CAN PRESENT ON IT. RIGHT. WE'LL CERTAINLY CORRECT A NUMBER OF ROOMS. MR. KELLER, IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. HOW MANY BEDROOMS DO YOU HAVE? FOUR BATHS. TWO AND A HALF. OKAY. SO THE ONLY THING THAT'S WRONG WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT IS THE ROOMS. NO, MA'AM. WHAT ELSE? WHAT ELSE? CHALLENGING THE ASSESSMENT. BASED ON OTHER INFORMATION FOUND IN THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION MANNER. MANUAL APPROACHES APPROACHES TO VALUE ANALYSIS, MODELING AND MODEL CALIBRATION. THE CONTRACTOR OR THE VENDOR HAS USED A COST APPROACH AND ACCORDING TO THE MANUALS, MOST SUITABLE FOR NEW, UNIQUE OR SPECIAL PURPOSE PROPERTIES. MY PROPERTY IS EITHER NEW, UNIQUE OR SPECIAL PURPOSE. IT GOES ON TO THEN ON THE FOLLOWING PAGE SALES COMPARISON APPROACH, WHICH I THINK IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE SINCE THERE ARE SUFFICIENT DATA FOR SALES. AND TWO PARAGRAPHS DOWN FROM THAT IN THE APPRAISAL PROCESS. ONE APPROACH MAY BE MORE APPLICABLE TO ONE PROPERTY CLASSIFICATION THAN THE OTHER. WHEN RECONCILING THE VARIOUS APPROACHES, AN APPRAISER MAY SELECT OR ACCORD MORE WEIGHT TO THE APPROACH THAT IS MOST APPLICABLE TO THE PROPERTY TYPE BEING VALUED. AGAIN, THE COST APPROACH BY THIS MANUAL IS FOR NEW, UNIQUE OR SPECIAL PURPOSE PROPERTIES. THE METHODOLOGY USED TO ASSESS MY PROPERTY AS WELL AS THE REST OF THE PROPERTIES IN THE COUNTY, BUT I'M NOT HERE. REPRESENTING THEM TODAY IS INAPPROPRIATE GIVEN THAT THERE ARE SUFFICIENT SALES DATA TO APPRAISE MY PROPERTY. SO I THINK AT THIS POINT, THE THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE FOR THE ASSESSOR TO STAND UP AND DEFEND THEIR ASSESSMENT. I AGREE. SO THEY HAVEN'T THEY HAVEN'T COMPLIED WITH THE FIRST REQUIREMENT HERE, WHICH IS TO PROVIDE THE BOARD WITH THE MISSING INFORMATION IN WRITING. I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT STEP AND WE CAN'T. SO YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SEE IT UP HERE, SIR, BUT WE HAVE VERY, VERY LARGE SUBSTANTIAL BINDERS WHICH IS IN WRITING FOR THE INFORMATION REQUESTED. IT'S MAINLY JUST A PROPERTY CARD. THE WHAT I WOULD SAY THE ISSUE HERE IS, IS THAT SO THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION IS HERE TO SET FAIR MARKET VALUE. RIGHT. WE HAVE THE PROPERTY CARD. WE HAVE THE ISSUES HERE FOR AS FAR AS THIS ASSESSMENT METHODOLOGY. WE CAN GO THROUGH THE ASSESSMENT METHODOLOGY AND WE CAN CHALLENGE THAT. THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO HEAR FROM THE ASSESSOR FIRST WHAT THAT METHODOLOGY IS. SO WE HAVE SOME DOCUMENTS ON RECORD HERE. BUT FOR I OBJECT TO THAT YOU ARE SKIPPING OVER THE YEAR, SKIPPING OVER A VERY IMPORTANT POINT HERE WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNER IS ENTITLED BY LAW BY VA CODE 58.13331 PARAGRAPHS B AND C [00:15:06] TO HAVE ALL THE WORKSHEETS, ALL THE INFORMATION THAT SHOWS HOW THEY CAME UP WITH MY ASSESSMENT AS WELL AS IN PARAGRAPH C, A STATEMENT JUSTIFYING AND EXPLAINING WHY THE WHY THE VALUATION CHANGED. AND I'VE NOT RECEIVED THAT. I'VE MADE MULTIPLE REQUESTS FOR THAT. I'VE BEEN STONEWALLED ALL ALONG THE WAY TO TO TO THE, TO THE POINT WHERE THE VENDOR HAS REPLIED, THAT'S ALL THE INFORMATION YOU'RE GETTING WAS A WORKSHEET THAT WAS UNDOCUMENTED DOCUMENTED VARIABLES ON THEIR. THEY'RE UNDEFINED. NO DATA, NO DATA DICTIONARY, AND CERTAINLY NO EXPLANATION THAT'S CALLED FOR IN PARAGRAPH C. I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT STEP, UNLESS YOU HAVE AS CALLED FOR BY YOUR OWN, BY YOUR OWN MANUAL TO HAVE WRITTEN DOCUMENTATION PRESENTED BECAUSE IT WASN'T PRESENTED TO ME. I CAN GIVE YOU SOME OF THE INFORMATION NOW IF YOU'D LIKE. THAT DOESN'T HELP. I UNDERSTAND THAT DOESN'T HELP IT. SO OKAY. SO SIR. OKAY SIR, I APOLOGIZE. SIR, I DON'T MEAN TO SPEAK OVER YOU AT THIS POINT, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO ACTUALLY GET THIS DONE TODAY, SO THERE IS NO RESOLUTION TO THE ISSUE THAT YOU'RE HAVING. SO OKAY. SO THEN IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE ASSESSOR HAS TO SAY, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO ALLOW THE ASSESSOR TO SPEAK. AND THEN IF YOU STILL HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE OUTCOME OF YOUR FAIR MARKET VALUE, THEN YOU HAVE FURTHER APPEAL WITH THE CIRCUIT COURT. OKAY. SO THAT IS ABOUT THE SCOPE OF THE HEARING TODAY. THANK YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE ASSESSOR? YES, BUT I OBJECT TO THE PROCESS. OH. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT MY OBJECTION ON THE RECORD. YES IT IS. IT IS THE RECORD. LIKE I SAID, WHAT SALES WERE WHAT WE USE TO DETERMINE THE MARKET VALUE OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY. I'VE GOT MR. KELLER WOULD LIKE TO. SOME OF THE INFORMATION I THINK HE WANTS. I KNOW IT'S LATE, BUT I DO HAVE IT HERE. I'LL BE GLAD TO GIVE HIM ALL THE STATISTICAL AND SO FORTH. STUFF WE USED TO COME UP WITH THESE RATES BUT NO SALES IS CALLS ON TIME. CALLS IS NORMALLY USED. AND MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING AN ODD BUILDING, SUCH AS A CHURCH. SOMETHING DOESN'T SELL VERY OFTEN. SCHOOLS, THAT SORT OF THING. BUT SALES WERE THE BASIS FOR OUR, OUR, OUR GENERAL REASSESSMENT IS WHAT WE'VE I'VE GOT THAT AS WELL HERE. THE SALES WE USE CREATE THAT DATA. AND THE THING THAT I WOULD ADD IS THAT THE VALUES ARE NOT DEPENDENT UPON THE ROOM. THE ROOMS ARE NOT LIKE A DIRECT VALUE DRIVER. IT'S MORE OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. BEDROOM AND BATHROOM. AND THEN ALSO THE COST APPROACH IS USED ALMOST UNIFORMLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY, EXCEPT FOR CALIFORNIA AND A COUPLE OTHER PLACES. BECAUSE IT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY. SO WE DO USE SALES. WE JUST DON'T DO DIRECT SALE COMPARISONS FOR YOUR HOUSE AND THEN FOR YOUR NEIGHBORS AND THEN THE ONE DOWN THE ROAD. BECAUSE IF WE PULL DIRECT SALES COMPARISONS IT WOULD JUST TAKE TOO MUCH TIME AND COST TOO MUCH TO THE TAXPAYERS. THERE ARE PROGRAMS LIKE VISION HAS AN AUTOMATED SALES COMPARISON APPROACH. I BELIEVE, IN THEIR SOFTWARE PACKAGE. I'M NOT 100% SURE ABOUT THAT, BUT IT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY. AND THAT'S HOW WE WE DID THAT IN THE DOCUMENTATIONS IN THE MANUAL. WE HAVE A COPY HERE FOR YOU. ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COUNTY OR VISION? NO, MA'AM. DO I GET THE REBUT? YES, SIR. THE EMANUEL. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 60 PAGES. 45 PAGES OR TABLES. THE FIRST 15 PAGES ARE JUST A MISHMASH. SUPPOSEDLY PASSING IS A METHODOLOGY. SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR 20 YEARS. NOT SOMEBODY'S REAL ESTATE ASSESSMENT, BUT MODELING IN GENERAL. IT'S A POOR EXCUSE FOR DOCUMENTATION. AND THERE'S ALSO THE APPROACH. YOUR OWN MANUAL DEFINES THE DIFFERENT APPROACHES. AND A COST APPROACH HAS BEEN USED IN THIS COUNTY. YES. I MEAN, 500 AND APPROXIMATELY 550 SALES WERE USED TO INITIALIZE A MODEL TO TO ASSESS 14,500 PROPERTIES AND THEN FURTHER STRATIFY FROM THAT BY BUILDING BY HOUSING STYLE AND OTHER SECTIONS. THERE'S JUST INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR THE VENDOR TO BUILD A MODEL TO ASSESS PROPERTIES IN THIS COUNTY BASED ON ON DATA THAT IS OF LIMITED. LIMITED. NUMBER 500 AND ABOUT 550. RECORDS. AND BY THE AND BY THE VENDORS OWN ADMISSION OF QUESTIONABLE QUALITY, IN SOME CASES. GARBAGE IN, GARBAGE OUT. THEY COULD DO ALL THE LEVELING THEY WANT. THEY COULD ALL THE UNIFORMITY THEY WANT, BUT GARBAGE IN, GARBAGE OUT. AND I HAVE AND I HAVE COMPARABLE SALES DATA HERE TO SUPPORT MY ASSESSMENT. AND YOUR OWN MANUAL SAYS THAT DIFFERENT APPROACHES. YOU MUST CONSIDER THEM. YOU MUST CONSIDER THEM BOTH. CAN I INTERRUPT FOR A SECOND? YES, MA'AM. YOU PUT IN YOUR REQUEST THAT YOU HAD THREE COMPS. ONE WAS ON CLIPPERTON AND ONE WAS ON RUSTIC AND ONE WAS ON TEMPLETON. DO YOU FEEL THAT THEY WERE COMPARABLES TO YOUR PROPERTY? [00:20:02] YES, MA'AM. ANYONE IN THE COUNTY WHO WAS EXCUSE ME JUST A SECOND. I HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT. 370 WHAT IS THIS CONVERSATION? IF A PRUDENT AND KNOWLEDGEABLE POTENTIAL BUYER WANTS A FOUR BEDROOM HOUSE WITH TWO AND A HALF BATHS WITH A FIVE ACRE LOT IN PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY, THEN THESE ARE COMPARABLE. OKAY. WHO SAID THAT? WHO SAID? STATEMENT. YOUR STATEMENT. I'M MAKING THE CLAIM THAT THE COMPARABLES THAT I PROVIDED, THEY'RE THEY'RE ALL ABOUT THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE, AROUND 2200 SQUARE FOOT. THEY ALL HAVE FOUR BATHROOMS. FOUR BEDROOMS. YOU SOUND LIKE YOU WERE QUOTING SOMEONE WITH NO PROFESSIONAL REAL ESTATE EXPERIENCE. NO, SIR. MY. MY NOSE. I'M LOOKING FOR THAT TYPE OF PROPERTY IN THIS COUNTY. THOSE WERE THE. THOSE ARE THE. THOSE ARE COMPARABLE. CLARIFYING WHERE THE QUOTE CAME FROM. THANK YOU. UNDERSTOOD. SO YOU FEEL YOUR VALUE SHOULD BE 386? NO, MA'AM. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THE VENDOR SUGGESTS. OKAY. THREE 7370 I'M SAYING YOUR VALUES SHOULD BE 370. YES, MA'AM. IF THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE PAPER, THAT'S MY. YES, MA'AM. BASED ON THAT, I'M SORRY. I SEE IT NOW. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. I NEED A BOARD MEMBER TO MAKE A MOTION ON WHAT TO DO WITH MR. KELLER'S APPEAL, AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS IT. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AFFIRM THE ASSESSMENT AS WRITTEN. THAT SECOND DISCUSSION. I MADE THE MOTION. I'LL START DISCUSSION. FIRST, I'D LIKE TO ASK VISION. YOU GUYS TYPICALLY USE THE VISION CAMERA SYSTEM, AND THAT'S COMPUTER ASSISTED MASS APPRAISAL. CORRECT. I UNDERSTAND THAT MOST CAMERA SYSTEMS HAVE COST MODELING IN THEM AS THEIR BASE, BUT AREN'T THOSE MODELS ALSO CALIBRATED USING MARKET SALES? RECENT AND RELEVANT SALES? YES, SIR. SO IT'S KIND OF A HYBRID OF A SYSTEM. YES, SIR. BETWEEN THE COST AND THE SALES COMPARISON APPROACH. YEAH, YOU COULD SAY THAT. AND MOST OF THE TIME IN THE RESIDENTIAL WORLD. INCOME APPROACH IS NOT VALID. CORRECT. WHEN LOOKING AT THIS, I LOOKED AT IT SPECIFICALLY, THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL. AND WHILE I, YOU KNOW, I PULLED UP SOME COMPARABLES OF MY OWN. I PULLED UP PROPERTIES ON FAIRWOOD, TWO, TWO ON FAIRWOOD, ONE ON SUNNY BROOK, ONE ON REIMS, ONE ON SANDHURST. YOU KNOW, A RATE PER SQUARE FOOT FOR THESE THAT I'VE PULLED. BRACKET ACTUALLY BRACKET PRETTY WELL. $174 A SQUARE FOOT. I'VE GOT A RANGE FROM 163 TO 180. I'M SORRY, 163 TO 2. 13 PER SQUARE FOOT. THIS ONE FAIRWOOD WAS JANUARY 24TH OF 25. SO IT'S JUST OUTSIDE THE WINDOW TELLING OF THE MARKET TRENDS, I BELIEVE. WITH THAT BEING SAID, THAT'S MY MY REASON FOR THE MOTION TO AFFIRM HIS ASSESSMENT CURRENTLY 3866. IS THAT CORRECT? THREE. EIGHT. SIX. SIX. IS THAT WHERE WE STAND? YES. IS $174.77 PER SQUARE FOOT? SEEMS LIKE THE THE SALES ARE SUPPORTING OF THAT. IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO THE TOP OF THE END OF THE RANGE, BUT IT'S IT'S IT'S IN THERE. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? YOU'RE USING A SALE OUTSIDE OF THE ANALYSIS, PERIOD. WELL, THERE'S FIVE OTHERS. WHEN YOU QUOTED WAS OUTSIDE THE OUTSIDE OF THE ANALYSIS PERIOD. OKAY. WE'LL MARK THAT ONE OFF. AND I'LL USE THESE OTHER FOUR THAT ARE WITHIN THE RANGE. 141 TO $185 A SQUARE FOOT. PRETTY CLOSE. I DISAGREE. I DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU NOW. RIGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, I'LL REMIND YOU, I THINK THEY MENTIONED IT EARLIER. THERE'S THIS IS A THREE STEP PROCESS. WE ARE STEP TWO. WELL, I DIDN'T GET STEP ONE. END ALL, BE ALL. I DIDN'T GET THE DECISION MAKERS. YOU CAN GO TO CIRCUIT COURT. AND HONESTLY, THE PROCESS QUESTIONS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP. MAYBE, MAYBE CIRCUIT COURT WILL BE A BETTER PLACE TO HEAR THOSE. WE'RE TRYING TO HEAR CASE BY CASE TODAY. WE'RE TRYING TO GET THROUGH YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY CALL BALLS AND STRIKES. YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE THE VALUE IS UNREASONABLE, AND IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S OUT OF EQUALIZATION WITH SIMILAR PROPERTIES AROUND IT. AND WE AFFIRM, I AFFIRM, I BOARD, I WOULD LIKE TO NOW CALL FOR A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF MR. WINFREY'S MOTION TO LEAVE THE ASSESSMENT AS STATED. [00:25:05] SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSITION. THANK YOU, MR. KELLER, FOR COMING TODAY. OUR NEXT CASE WILL BE JACOB IRVING. IRVING. I'M SORRY, MR. IRVING. HE WITHDREW. JACOB. IRVIN. HE WITHDREW. JACOB. IRVIN. HE WITHDREW. THANK YOU. HE WITHDREW. HE WITHDREW. YES. HE'S LEGACY LLC. HE WAS SCHEDULED FOR 930. IT'S 926. SO WE DID MAKE A PHONE CALL TO HIM, MAKING SURE HE KNEW HIS APPOINTMENT TIME. CORRECT. I BELIEVE THE PERSON WHO CAN HANDLE IT JUST STEPPED OUTSIDE. OKAY. WE WE EMAILED EVERYONE. SHE COPIED ME ON HIM. WELL, HE'S GOT FOUR MORE MINUTES. WELL, THREE MORE MINUTES. SO WE'VE GOT TO GIVE HIM TILL 930 TO BE HERE. HE'S LEGACY LLC. MISS WHITE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO, WE CAN PASS OVER HEATH LEGACY LLC. AND THEN IF HE APPEARS BEFORE THEN, WE CAN HAVE HIM CHECK IN. BUT IF WE WANTED TO HAVE WITH THIS PERSON. YEAH. OKAY. LARRY, IAN AND KATHLEEN SAY. LARRY, IAN AND KATHLEEN SAY. YES, SIR. HEATH LEGACY LLC. LARRY, ANNE AND KATHLEEN SAY. WE NEED TO GO ANY FARTHER IN THIS TIME, BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE WANT TO GO TO THE BEACH AT 1020. WE COULD ASK IF THERE WAS ANYONE HERE. THE HEARING THAT'S SCHEDULED TODAY. AND THEN THAT WAY WE COULD GO. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT IN THE COURTROOM THAT HAS A HEARING SCHEDULED FOR TODAY. YES, MA'AM. WOULD YOU LIKE TO STEP FORWARD? NO, MA'AM. I'M WAITING FOR MY HUSBAND AND MY TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND YOUR NAME, MA'AM. YOUR NAME? MA'AM. OKAY. OKAY. YOU'RE AT 1020. OKAY. OKAY. IF WE'RE NOT ON THE DOCKET, WE CAN GET THE FIRST NOTICE. ARE WE ALLOWED TO PRESENT? NO, MA'AM. NO, MA'AM. YOUR NEXT STEP WOULD BE CIRCUIT COURT. YOU CAN HAVE ANYONE TO MENTION THE. IF THERE'S A DOCUMENT THAT JAYSON HAS. IF THERE'S FACTUAL. YES. MA'AM. MA'AM. GO AHEAD. MA'AM. REAL QUICK. I WAS ASKED TO EXPLAIN THE SITUATION REAL QUICK FOR YOU. SO THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION ACTUALLY DOES NOT HAVE JURISDICTION TO HEAR UNTIMELY APPEALS, SO IT COULDN'T ACTUALLY GIVE YOU ANY RELIEF IF YOU ASKED FOR IT. HOWEVER, IF YOU HAVE ANY FACTUAL ISSUES WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT LIKE SOMETHING'S WRONG ON THE PROPERTY CARD, SQUARE FOOTAGE, ETC., THERE'S AN APPLICATION UNDER 3980 THAT THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE CAN PROVIDE FOR YOU, THAT YOU CAN ADDRESS THOSE, AND THAT MIGHT RESULT IN YOUR YOUR PROPERTY'S ASSESSMENT BEING CHANGED. YEP. AND THEY HAVE FORMS FOR THAT DOWN IN THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE. FORMS AVAILABLE TO GIVE TO THE LADY. YEAH. NOT HERE. SHE SAYS SHE NEVER GOT THE FIRST EVER NOTICE TO TELL HER THAT SHE HAS RIGHTS. RIGHT. THE ONLY NOTICE WE GOT WAS THIS ONE. AND WE'VE BEEN. I DON'T WANT TO WASTE THE COURT'S TIME. THAT'S FINE, MA'AM. WE THOUGHT. WELL, YEAH, IF YOU FILL OUT THAT ONE PAGE APPLICATION, YOU DON'T THINK IT'S NOT RIGHT? I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO WASTE ITS TIME. TOM DIDN'T TAKE A SHOT. [00:30:02] YES, MA'AM. WELL, YOU SHOULD BE. THEY SHOULD HAVE THE FORM AVAILABLE FOR YOU. WE APPRECIATE YOUR UNDERSTANDING. YES, WE APPRECIATE YOU. OKAY. APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN, MA'AM. THANK YOU. WHAT WAS THE OTHER LADY'S NAME? MYERS. MYERS. HE'S LEGACY LLC. OR LARRY, IAN AND KATHLEEN. SEE? MRS. MYERS, YOU ALL DO NOT WANT TO PRESENT YOUR CASE TILL 1020. IS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE OUR TIME WAS 1020. AND I'M SORRY, MA'AM. I WOULD LIKE TO WAIT FOR MY HUSBAND AT OUR TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'LL TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK. WHO? SECONDED. RAYMOND. EVERETT. DISCUSSION. NO DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY. SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. OKAY. MR.. SEE? ARE YOU READY, SIR? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. MR. C. WE'VE ALREADY SWORE IN ALL THE OFFICIALS THAT WILL BE SPEAKING HERE TODAY. SO I WILL ASK YOU TO RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. PLEASE STATE YOUR FULL NAME. LARRY. NEAL C DO YOU SWEAR OR PROMISE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH TODAY UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY? I DO, ALL RIGHT. YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO PRESENT YOUR CASE, SIR. OKAY. LET ME HAND YOU SOME PAPERWORK FOR I HAVE A COPY FOR? I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE EVERYTHING. OKAY. MY BIGGEST THING WAS THE. I'VE HAD AN ISSUE WITH THEM OVER APPRAISING THE DERELICT HOUSE. THE PICTURE THERE IS FROM LONG AGO. AND IT WAS BOUGHT FAIRLY BASIC. NOBODY APPARENTLY HAS COME BY AND ACTUALLY ASSESSED THE HOUSE, BUT THE ROOF'S FALLING IN. IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IN BAD SHAPE WHEN WE GOT IT. AND WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT REPAIRING THAT BECAUSE WE PLAN ON BUILDING A NEWER PLACE LATER. BUT THE HOUSE HAS BEEN UP AND DOWN ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT APPRAISALS AND ALSO THE LAND USE VALUE. LAST YEAR AND THE YEAR BEFORE, I THINK WENT DOWN, I DIDN'T CATCH THE THE DECREASE THAT I'VE BEEN RUNNING HERE AND THERE. BUT ANYHOW THEY WENT FROM $14,000 FOR THE ASSESSMENT BUILDINGS, WHICH THE BUILDINGS WAS ACTUALLY. FOUR BUILDINGS. ONE OF THEM'S NOT THERE ANYMORE, SO THERE'S ONLY THREE, BUT ASSESSED VALUE OF ABOUT $14,000 TO $104,000. SO WHEN I CALLED BACK, THEY SAID, WELL, OKAY, WE'LL DROP IT DOWN $60,000. BUT BASICALLY THE ASSESSMENT WENT UP $90,000 IN ONE YEAR. I DON'T MIND A, YOU KNOW, A SMALL INCREMENTAL ONE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE PERCENTAGES, IT WENT DOWN QUITE A BIT. AND NOW IT'S QUADRUPLED AND WENT DOWN LIKE 43%. NOW IT'S UP 200 AND SOME PERCENT. IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND TAKING A COPY OF THESE. I'VE LISTED EVERYTHING I HAVE FROM BACK IN 2019. WELL, NOW WE CAN SEE WHERE IT'S GONE UP THE LAST THREE YEARS. OKAY. YEAH. BUT ALSO BACK DOWN 42 AND 25. AND IT WENT UP 371% IN 2026. YES, MA'AM. AND THAT'S YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T CATCH IT THE OTHER YEAR BECAUSE IT WENT DOWN. AND USUALLY I HAVE A BIANNUAL PAYMENT OF ABOUT 300 SOME DOLLARS. WELL, I PAID TO 300 SOME DOLLARS EARLIER IN A YEAR AND DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THAT WAS THE WHOLE YEAR, NOT NOT HALF A YEAR. [00:35:02] BUT THEN WHEN I WENT BACK AND LOOKED, I HAD SOMETHING THERE. AND THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY BACK IN 2021 AS WELL, WHERE THEY APPRAISED THE HOUSE HIGHER AND THEN, YOU KNOW, PUT IT BACK DOWN TO WHAT IT SHOULD BE. BUT A LOT OF THIS TO THE LAND USE VALUE WENT WAY DOWN LAST YEAR AND THEN IS FOUR TIMES WHAT IT INSTEAD OF BEING BACK UP TO WHERE IT SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW AND THE LAND USE HASN'T CHANGED. I'VE GOT PART OF IT IS FORESTRY AND PART OF HIS PASTURE LAND. AND I'VE HAD HORSES ON IT FOR, YOU KNOW, QUITE A FEW YEARS NOW. BUT LIKE I SAY, WHEN THE GUY SAYS, WELL, LOOK, WE GOT YOU 60,000 OFF. I'M LIKE, WELL, I WANT TO APPEAL THAT BECAUSE YOU ADDED 90,000. YOU ONLY TOOK, YOU KNOW, 60,000 OFF. IT'S LIKE TRUMP'S DEALS WITH YOU KNOW, HE ASKED 10% AND GET FIVE OR WHATEVER. BUT I JUST THINK THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT IN THE INCREASE IN THE ACTUAL TAX IS TWICE WHAT IT WAS IN YEARS PAST. LAST YEAR'S WAS $300. BUT THIS YEAR, THEY'RE GOING UP TO 1100 AND SOME DOLLARS. AND LIKE, SAY, FOR ALL THE YEARS PAST, IT'S BEEN GENERALLY 5 TO $600 FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS. A LITTLE BIT UP A LITTLE BIT. AND I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH INCREASED VALUE OF THE HOME AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THE HOUSE DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THE PICTURE YOU HAVE. THERE'S NO PILLARS ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. ONE OF THE BARNS IN THE BACK IS GONE. AND LIKE I SAY, I'M JUST TRYING TO BE ABLE TO NOT PAY AS MUCH AS I HAVE, TO PAY AS LITTLE AS I HAVE TO, TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE MONEY BACK INTO THE PROPERTY. AND 5 OR $600 DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT, BUT IT IS WHEN YOU HAVE TWO HOMES AND YOU'RE PAYING ON IT FOR A FEW PLACES AND YOU'RE PAYING ON IT, BUT I JUST WANTED IT TO BE REASONABLE. I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I CAN UNDERSTAND EVEN 5% A YEAR GOING UP. BUT LAST YEAR Y'ALL LOST MONEY. SO I KNOW THE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING YOUR EVACUATIONS NEED TO LOOK A LITTLE MORE CAREFULLY ON SOME THINGS BECAUSE LIKE THE LAST YEAR, YOU LOST $300. I KIND OF FEEL LIKE I OWE, BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE OWE THE EXTRA 600. ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT IT USED TO BE. SO I'M JUST BRINGING IT TO Y'ALL. LIKE I SAID, I DO HAVE SOME PICTURES IN THE HOUSE. IF ANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT. I'VE GOT A LITTLE SLIDESHOW THAT IS ABOUT 30S, BUT LET ME LET THE PEOPLE FOR THE COUNTY. THEY CAN SPEAK. IS THIS YOUR HOUSE WHERE YOU LIVE? I MEAN, OR NO. OKAY. IT HAS NOT BEEN LIVABLE SINCE WE FIRST. WELL, THAT WAS MY NEXT. OKAY. THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION. IT'S NOT LIVABLE. IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR A WHILE. PROBABLY 20 SOME YEARS. WE'VE OWNED IT FOR TEN, AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN RENTED OUT 5 OR 10 YEARS BEFORE THAT. RIGHT. BUT IT'S BEEN A WHILE. FOUNDATION FANS, THERE'S NO FLOOR JOISTS. I'VE GOT A PICTURE OF THE FRONT ROOM, AND THERE'S THE WHOLE BACKBONE OF THE HOUSE THAT ROTTED AWAY. OKAY, LAWS ARE FALLING IN. AND SO IT'S BASICALLY JUST A STORAGE AREA. GOTCHA. I GOT YOU. AND WE HAD ONE BARN IN THE BACK WHICH ISN'T SHOWN ON THE COUNTY PLAT, WHICH I GOT. BUT THERE WAS ONE LARGE, LIKE, LEAN YOU PROBABLY BARN IN THE BACK. IT WAS BASICALLY JUST ROAD TO ALL OF US. I GOTCHA. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S DONE AN ON SITE APPRAISAL FOR THE ENTIRE TIME I'VE HAD IT. UNDERSTOOD. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M GOOD, I'M GOOD. MY QUESTIONS. JASON IS THE WELLER SEPTIC ANY GOOD? WELL, IS THE SEPTIC IS PROBABLY QUESTIONABLE, BUT. YEAH, THE WELL IS GOOD. THAT'S WHAT I'M USING TO WATER THE HORSES. OKAY. I MEAN, THE OUTBUILDINGS. ARE THEY USABLE? YOU SAID THE ONE IS. ONE IS TORE DOWN. ONE IS GONE. WHEN IS IT GONE? OKAY. THE OTHER ONES THE ROOF LEAKS. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT REALLY EVEN GOOD STORAGE. I HAD TO PUT TARPS OVER ANYTHING WE PUT IN THERE. OKAY. STUFF IN THERE. THERE IS ONE CARPORT THAT WAS PART OF THE BUILDING THAT WE'VE TURNED INTO A, LIKE, A BERTHING STALL JUST LIKE BOXES IN BASICALLY. BUT THAT'S THE ONLY IMPROVEMENT AS FAR AS ANY OF THE, THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES. WE HAVE ONE BUILDING THAT'S ABOUT A 16 BY 16 BESIDE THE HOUSE. YOU CAN PROBABLY SEE IT THE ONE OVER TO THE SIDE. THAT'S NOT AN ADDITION. THAT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE. AND IT'S FAIRLY GOOD. IT'S FAIRLY DRY. WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF LEAKING IN A BUNCH OF BRANDS AND IT'S OKAY, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I NEED TO REBUILD ALL THE BUILDINGS. ALL RIGHT. I CAN RECOMMEND, BASED ON WHAT HE'S TELLING ME, WE OVERRIDE THE VALUE OF THE HOUSE TO NO MORE THAN 15,000 BECAUSE YOU HAVE STORAGE VALUE AND YOU HAVE A WELL, IT'S DECENT. AND THE WELL, I BELIEVE IS INCLUDED IN THE THE HOUSE VALUE. YEAH. AND THEN THE RESULT MEANS NOT IT. THERE'S A SEPARATE LITTLE WAREHOUSE. SO. YEAH. BASE. THAT'S ONE OF THE FIVE BUILDINGS THAT SITS ON THE PLAT. OKAY. SO I THINK IT'S WORTH SOMETHING. BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST STORAGE AND AND THE WELLS, YOU KNOW, CONTRIBUTES SOMETHING. AND THEN NO MORE THAN A THOUSAND, $1,000 ON THE OUTBUILDINGS OR SOMETHING. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE RECOMMENDATION, JASON. [00:40:08] $15,000 FAIR VALUE FOR THE HOUSE AND THEN $1,000 FOR THE OUTBUILDINGS. SO THE LAND VALUE, HE DOESN'T HE DOESN'T CONTEND THE LAND VALUE, I DON'T THINK JUST THAT WHEN IT WAS DEVALUED, Y'ALL LOST MONEY. WHEN THE ACTUAL LAND LAND USE VALUE WENT DOWN IN 2025 AND IT WAS REDONE, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS LOWERED. I ALSO THE MARKET VALUE DROPPED IN 2025. I DIDN'T SEE ANY HOUSING OR PROPERTY DROPPING OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS, BUT IT WENT FROM 175,000 TO 135, AND THEN THEY BROUGHT IT BACK UP TO 175,000. BUT THE LAND USE VALUE, YOU ALL WELL HAS MONEY ON IT BECAUSE BASICALLY THE LAND USE HAS BEEN 50 TO 50 5 TO $60,000 PER YEAR. THE ACTUAL ASSESSED VALUE. AND LIKE I SAID LAST YEAR I DIDN'T CATCH IT, BUT IT WENT DOWN TO 31. AND THEN THEY CAME BACK AT 26 ON THE ACTUAL LAND USE VALUE, TAXABLE VALUE MARKET VALUE WENT DOWN. BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY A BIG THING TO ME BECAUSE I'M NOT PLANNING ON SELLING IT. AND IF I DID, IT WOULD BE REFLECTIVE OF THAT FOR WHAT THE LAND ACTUALLY IS WORTH. AND I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF YEARS, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WHERE THEY ASSESSED IT AND THEN LOOKED AT IT. I DIDN'T HAVE TO COME INTO ALL THIS BEFORE. SO YOU'RE YOU'RE SAYING TO TAKE THE BUILDING VALUE DOWN TO 6100? FOR 600 NOW. I'M SORRY, IS IT 100 FOR 600? YES. TAKE IT DOWN TO 16,000. 16,000 ON THE HOUSE AND 1000 ON THE OUTBUILDINGS. 16,000 TOTAL. YES, MA'AM. TOTAL WAS 14,800. AND NOW IT'LL BE 16,000. EXACTLY. YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S. I MEAN, THAT'S A REASONABLE INCREASE FOR BASICALLY TWO, BECAUSE THAT WAS TWO YEARS AGO. THAT WAS 2024 COMPARED TO 2026. BUT LIKE Y'ALL ARE LOSING SOME MONEY THIS YEAR THAT IF YOU REASSESS THAT I UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE IT JUST LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY MOVED SOME DECIMALS HERE OR THERE OR WHATEVER. OKAY. I NEED A MOTION FROM THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION. CAN I GET THIS STRAIGHT AS TO WHAT IT IS? OKAY. IT'S NOW THE LAND USE IS 92 ONE. IS THIS CORRECT? JASON. I'M SORRY. THE LAND USE QUESTION. THIS COMPUTER DOES NOT HAVE VISION ON IT, SO WELL, I'M LOOKING AT THE THE COUNTY STATEMENT THAT THIS GENTLEMAN RECEIVED. YEAH, IT'S 90, 2000. WE'RE GENERALLY LIKE THAT, BUT I'M SAYING IT COULD QUADRUPLE FROM LAST YEAR. SO I WANT TO GET THAT LOOKED AT 2%. WAS IT 26 9 IN 25. IT SHOULDN'T BE 26 NINE. IT SHOULD BE ABOUT 60,000. THAT'S WHAT THE LAND USE HAS BEEN FOR. SO SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU FEEL LIKE THE LAND USE VALUE THAT YOU ARE THAT'S SUBTRACTED FROM YOUR TOTAL SHOULD BE ABOUT 60. IT SHOULD END UP BEING ROUGHLY 60,000, BECAUSE IN 2023 LAND USE VALUE IS 62. 120, 2450 8000. 20. 25. THEY FIRST ASSESSED IT AT 31 FOUR AND THEN CAME BACK WITH A SECOND AT 26 NINE, WHICH BOTH OF THOSE AND I DIDN'T ASK FOR THAT ONE. THAT ONE WAS ONE THAT JUST CAME AS AN ADJUSTMENT. BUT WHEN YOU TAKE AND GO FROM 26 9 TO 92,000, IT'S LIKE 250% JUMP IN THE LAND USE VALUE, WHICH IS THE TAXABLE VALUE I PAY. YEAH. BUT LIKE I SAY, THE FAIR VALUE TO ME IS ABOUT 60,000. I KNOW THERE'S SOME VARIANCE IN LAND USE ACCORDING TO WHAT KIND OF LAND USE. IF IT'S IF IT'S HORTICULTURE OR IF IT'S CROPS, IT'S A LITTLE HIGHER, PASTURE LANDS A LITTLE LOWER. AND THAT VARIES YEAR TO YEAR ON THE FORM IN THE BACK, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE IT FROM, YOU KNOW. OKAY, JASON, IT MAY HELP IF YOU WOULD. CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW THE LAND USE STUDIES ARE DONE? ANOTHER. RIGHT. I MEAN, IT'S NOT VALUES THAT YOU GUYS HERE, THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE LEVEL ARE DEVELOPING, RIGHT? YOU GUYS ARE ARE USING STUDIES DONE. AND THEY'RE STATEWIDE BASED ON SOIL. THAT'S I'LL LET YOU EXPAND ON THAT. PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW THAT WORKS. YES, SIR. SO I'M ON THE BACK. THAT'S PROBABLY A STATE. YEAH. VIRGINIA TECH HAS AGRICULTURAL ECONOMIST WHOSE JOB IT IS TO STUDY, LIKE RENTAL RATES FOR LAND. AND THEY TRY TO TAKE THE TOTAL ENTERPRISE VALUE OF GROWING CORN AND CROPS AND THEN WHITTLE IT DOWN TO JUST THE VALUE ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE LAND. YEAH. AND THEY DO LIKE RENTAL RATE CAP RATES AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT TO DETERMINE THAT. SO IT'S A STATEWIDE THING. AND THEN THIS YEAR WE ADOPTED THE STATEWIDE VALUES. [00:45:06] AND THEY HAPPENED TO BE UP. SO IT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME THAT YOU KNOW, THE LAND USE VALUE WENT UP. I THINK IT'S PRETTY MUCH ACROSS THE BOARD. ALL THE LAND USE VALUE IS INCREASED. YEAH. BUT TO BASICALLY ALMOST DOUBLE. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS THAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE. IS THAT THE LAND USE VALUES. AND, THEY TOOK A THREE YEAR AVERAGE, WHICH IS GREAT. YEAH. AND FROM FROM A BOARD STANDPOINT, IF WE START TWEAKING LAND USE VALUES, IT REALLY RISKS THROWING A LARGE PART OF THE COUNTY OUT OF EQUALIZATION. OKAY. WE TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE STATE RUN STUDIES. THAT'S NOT THE GUIDING BOARD THAT'S DEVELOPING THOSE. THOSE ARE PRETTY WELL ESTABLISHED AND AND RELIABLE. I DIDN'T GO BACK BECAUSE ON EACH FORM YOU GET THERE IS YOU LOOK ON THE BACK, IT GIVES YOU THE LAND. I DIDN'T GO BACK AND SEE IF IT HAD DROPPED IN 2025. AND I'LL SEE THE INCREASE. AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT. WE QUITE FRANKLY, WE TRY NOT TO MESS WITH LAND VALUE, LAND USE VALUES BECAUSE OF THE RAMIFICATIONS. YEAH. WELL, I MEAN, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE DONE AS FAR AS BRINGING YOU A THREE YEAR STANDARD, I GUESS THAT'S THE WAY IT WOULD BE. BUT THE BIGGEST THING WITH ME WAS THE HOUSE. SURE, SURE. I THINK I CAN SOME REASONABLE SOLUTION WITH THE HOUSE. YEAH. YEAH. AND I FEEL HE'S MADE A REASONABLE SOLUTION FOR THAT. SO WE WOULD BE REDUCING THE HOUSE VALUE TO 16,000, BUT THE LAND VALUE WOULD STILL REMAIN AT 184 THREE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO WE'RE NOT GOING TO MARKET WITH THE WITH THE LAND USE. YES. SO, YEAH, THE ACTUAL LAND USE WOULD HAVE BEEN 92. THE MARKET VALUE OF THE SAME WOULD HAVE BEEN WITH THE 184. RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. OH. I'M SORRY. WHAT WAS THE LAND USE AGAIN? LAND USE 92 ONE. NO CHANGE ON THE LAND. WELL, THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED ON THAT. THE BUILDINGS ARE 16,000. YEAH. DO WE NEED A MOTION? YES, PLEASE. JUST FOR CLARITY SAKE, BEFORE WE MAKE THE MOTION, CAN WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT ON WHAT? THE FAIR MARKET VALUE. JUST BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IMPROVEMENTS AND LAND AND ALL THE REST OF THAT, LET'S JUST GET THAT NUMBER CLEAR OF WHAT WE WANT TO IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE IT THERE. IT LOOKS LIKE 200,300. OKAY. BY THE BY THE ADDITION OR THE SUBTRACTION? OH, YES. YEAH. 200 WITH THE HOUSE AND THE HOUSE. YES, MA'AM. RIGHT AT 184 AND 16. YEAH. WELL, I MAKE A MOTION THAT THE BUILDING VALUE BE REDUCED TO 16,000, WITH THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THE PROPERTY BEING $200,300. DO I HAVE A SECOND TO THE MOTION? I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. THANK YOU, MR. STAY. THANK YOU. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. YOU'RE WELCOME. I DIDN'T HAVE TO GET UP. WE'LL MAKE COPIES AT 830 THIS MORNING. I DID ANYHOW. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO DO EARLIER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEED SOME MONEY? THANK YOU. YOU HAVE A BLESSED DAY. Y'ALL TAKE CARE. ALL RIGHT. I'M GLAD HE SHOWED UP. YES. I HOPE I DON'T HAVE TO COME SEE YOU AGAIN. BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THIS. THANK YOU. SIR. I'LL. GET A LOT MORE WITH SUGAR THAN YOU DO WITH SALT. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW WHY I DON'T HAVE THAT. OKAY. OKAY. YES. YEAH. YEAH. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S YOU KNOW, IF YOU READ UP ON LANE, YOU IT'S A, IT'S A VERY SCIENTIFIC STUDY, YOU KNOW, STATEWIDE. I MEAN IT'S A LOT. IT'S MORE THAN JUST THESE GUYS HERE. EVEN THE MANUALS. YEAH. YEAH. WE GOT HERE, AND WE GOTTA START. [00:50:06] HERE? YEAH. AND I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING. CUT IN HALF. RIGHT? YEAH. COME BACK. YEAH. I MEAN, A LITTLE DIP DOWN BEFORE YOU SHOOT THE MOON. I'M NOT SURE. I'M NOT SURE. $200. REALLY? LIKE JASON SAID. I MEAN, THEY THEY. THEY STUDIED IN DEPTH TO 800. WITHOUT TAXES? WITHOUT TAX DOLLARS? YEAH. MOTIVATING FACTOR. RIGHT. THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE VALUE OF THE LAND, AND THEY'RE MOTIVATED BY TAX REVENUE. IF YOU'RE GOING. TO COME TO. VIRGINIA FOR CROP. OKAY. PEOPLE'S RENT FOR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. A LOT OF RURAL AREAS. OKAY. RIGHT HERE. OKAY. LET'S GO TO YOUR MOUTH. PERFECT. OKAY. YEAH. SO WHAT DO THEY BOTH YOU AND ME. YEAH. YOU'RE THE FORM WHO'S GOT A THOUSAND YEARS? YOU NEVER KNOW. HE'S PAYING THE RATE THAT A DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW COULD GET FOR A THOUSAND ACRES OF LAND. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HE'S SITTING ON, YOU KNOW, $10 MILLION WORTH OF LAND HE'S RAISING. SO HE MEANS EVERY YEAR. YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO TAX HIM ON 10 MILLION. BUT WHEN HE JUST RAISING HIM YEAR AFTER YEAR, THAT'S WHAT HE DOES. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE THEORY BEHIND IT I THINK. INTERESTING. DO THEY THINK TO DO SOMETHING ON THIS THAT. MAYBE. MAYBE. I'M CONFUSED LAST NIGHT. I KIND OF LIKE THIS SCHEDULE. YEAH. THAT'S EXACTLY. I DRINK 3 OR 3 IN THE MORNING AND THEN LOTS OF WATER THROUGHOUT THE DAY. BECAUSE IT WAS DATED AND IT NEEDS UPGRADES, BUT IT PAID FOR A TWO CAR GARAGE. I HAVEN'T BEEN. I HAVEN'T BEEN GETTING ANY OF THE ELECTROLYTES AND STUFF THROUGH MY DIET. AND YEAH, I'VE GOTTEN TO WHERE IN MY OLDER YEARS I CAN'T EVEN DRINK A WHOLE CAN OF COKE, PEPSI OR A SODA. JUST. YEAH. THE LITTLE GINGER ALE. DID A LITTLE MIX? YEAH. WE'LL KEEP IT ON HAND JUST IN CASE ONE OF THE KIDS GET SICK. YEAH. GINGER? DEFINITELY ONE OF THEM. I THINK IT'S THE TIMER. OH, OKAY. IT. WAS 357. YEAH. CHADWICK AND LAYLA. IS THAT PROPER NAME? MYERS, PLEASE. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. WARD. PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. PLEASE STATE YOUR FULL NAME. CHADWICK. DAVID. MYERS. LAYLA MYERS. DO YOU SWEAR OR PROMISE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH TODAY UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY? YES. YES. ALL RIGHT. AND MRS. MYERS IS YOUR OLDER. SHE ALREADY KNOWS THAT THE COUNTY STAFF AND VISION HAS BEEN SWORN IN. YES, I DO HAVE A REQUEST. THE INTRODUCTION WAS VERY POORLY SOUND RELATED. SO CAN I PLEASE FIGURE OUT WHO THE PERSON ON THE CORNER THERE IS? [00:55:02] HE'S WITH VISION. CAN I PLEASE GET HIS NAME? ERIC PINER, PR AND, ER. ERIC. THANK YOU. OKAY. YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. SO THIS YEAR'S ASSESSMENT PROCESS WAS A VERY EXPENSIVE DISAPPOINTMENT FOR THE RESIDENTS. THE WORK PRODUCT IS SO BAD THAT THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS INSTRUCTED OUR ATTORNEY TO PREPARE A NOTICE OF A BREACH OF CONTRACT PROVISION. THIS MEANS THAT OVER THE ENTIRE PROCESS OF THE APPEALS, STARTING IN APRIL, WE HAD TO WORK WITH VERY BAD DATA. VISION USED COMPUTER MODELING, WHICH MEANS THEY CAN DICTATE TO THE SOFTWARE WHAT TO DO, HOW TO INTERPRET THE DATA, AND THEN THE PROFESSIONALS CONTINUE TO MANIPULATE THE DATA DAILY. WE HAVE THE BURDEN TO PROVE THE ASSESSMENT IS INCORRECT, BUT IT'S VERY HARD TO DEFEND OUR POSITION USING UNRELIABLE, INCORRECT EVIDENCE THAT IS ALSO PRESENTED TO US VERY LATE IN THE DAY. VISION CONTINUALLY FAILED TO GIVE US REQUESTED INFORMATION ON A TIMELY MANNER. THAT REALLY DIDN'T HELP. OUR PROPERTY WAS NEVER ASSESSED. OVER 300,000 VALUES, OVER 300,000 VALUE IN ALL OF ITS EXISTENCE. FOR THIS YEAR. THE VALUE ON THE HOUSE ONLY INCREASE WAS $60,000. COINCIDENTALLY, THERE ARE OTHER COUPLE PROPERTIES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. TO OUR LEFT, INTO OUR RIGHT. AND THEIR VALUE INCREASE WAS ALSO FLAT 60,000 70,000 RANGE. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT LOTS, DIFFERENT HOUSES, DIFFERENT AGES. BUT THEY ALL GOT A 60 70,000 BRACKET INCREASE SLAPPED ON ALL OF THEM, WHICH IS A BLATANT PATTERN OF FLAT VALUE INCREASE APPROACH. NO LOGIC, NO REASON EXCEPT FOR THE DESIRE TO RAISE TOTAL TAX VALUE FOR THE COUNTY. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE PREVIOUS ASSESSOR TRIED TO DO A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. JUST ADDING SET VALUE TO ALL PROPERTIES ACROSS THE SINGLE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO DURING OUR INTERNAL REVIEW WE WERE ABLE TO GET A REDUCTION. BUT VISION SUMMARY ON APRIL 8TH IDENTIFIED THAT FOR AREA SIX, INFORMAL REVIEWS RESULTED IN MEDIAN VALUE DECREASE OF 19.2%, BUT OUR PROPERTY ONLY RECEIVED 4.5% DISCOUNT, SO WAY LESS THAN THE AVERAGE MEDIAN REDUCTION. OUT OF THOSE PROPERTIES THAT DID FILE APPEAL IN THAT FIRST PHASE. SO WHAT WE TRIED TO PRESENT TO THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE DURING THE APPEAL OFFICE APPEAL IS THE INCONSISTENCIES BETWEEN THE VALUES SOLD ON THE MARKET AND THE VALUES ASSESSED. WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF HOUSES AS EXAMPLES THAT WERE SOLD FOR LESS THAN WHAT THEY WERE ASSESSED BY, A VALUE OF 20 $40,000. THERE'S A PROPERTY ON CEDAR LANE THAT WAS SOLD TWICE IN TWO YEARS. SO THE MARKET DICTATED WHAT IT WAS SOLD FOR. BUT THE OPPOSITE HAPPENED. IT WAS ASSESSED FOR WAY LESS THAN WHAT IT WAS SOLD TWICE OVER. SO THIS WHOLE RELY ON A FAIR MARKET. THE HOUSE GETS SOLD FOR WHAT? IT GETS SOLD AS LONG AS IT'S ON THE MARKET. THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. AND THEN ALSO VISION LUMPED ALL HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT IN THE PAST 25 YEARS TOGETHER. USUALLY YOU LUMP THEM BY A DECADE. THEY LUMPED EVERY HOUSE FROM 2000 THROUGH 2025 INTO ONE CATEGORY. SO VERY DIFFERENT APPROACH. HUGE DIFFERENTIATION OF AGE OVER 25 YEARS, DIFFERENT WAYS THEY WILL BUILD DIFFERENT CONDITIONS AT THEIR CURRENT STAGE. THAT'S NOT A GOOD APPROACH TO DETERMINE OUR PROPERTY IF IT DOES GET SOLD ON THE MARKET. OUR PROPERTY, AS YOU KNOW, IS BUILT WITH BASIC CONSTRUCTION GRADE MATERIALS. IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF VALUES. IT HASN'T SEEN ANY IMPROVEMENTS, ANY UPGRADES FROM ITS BASIC CONTRACTOR GRADE CONDITIONS, FINISHES. WE'RE TALKING BASIC LAMINATE SURFACES FROM FLOOR TO COUNTER CABINETS TO CABINET DOORS. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE THE SAME 18 YEAR OLD HVAC UNIT THAT HAS NO GOOD MAINTENANCE REFRIGERANT REPLACEMENT TO IT PRODUCTION? YES. OLD OR 22 UNIT AND PHASED OUT. IN FACT, NEXT GENERATION AFTER R4 TEN HAS BEEN IS BEING PHASED OUT NOW. SO IF WE WERE TO PUT IT ON THE MARKET, THE BUYER IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE LOOKING AT IT SIDEWAYS. THE ROOF 18 YEAR OLD, THE GRAVEL 18 YEAR OLD AND ALL THIS TORRENTIAL RAIN THAT WE GOT THIS YEAR. WE'RE HAVING TRACKS IN THE GRAVEL IN OUR DRIVEWAY TO WHERE I HAVE TO SLOWLY APPROACH THE HOUSE SO I DON'T BUMP THE CAR. AND I'M SORRY, BUT IT'S NOT GETTING IMPROVED ANYTIME SOON. SO FROM ROOF TO GRAVEL TO FLOORS TO WALLS, WE HAVE DOGS AND BOYS IN THE HOUSE. SO YOU TAKE A GUESS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE INSIDE. WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT OUR HOUSE, IF PUT ON THE MARKET TODAY AS IS WITHOUT PUTTING LIPSTICK ON IT, WILL NOT SELL FOR WHAT IS BEING ASSESSED FOR. EVEN WITH THE 4.5% REDUCTION THAT WE GOT. BUT WE DIDN'T GET THE 19.2% REDUCTION THAT MEDIAN AREA SIX HOUSES [01:00:04] RECEIVED DURING THE FIRST ROUND OF APPEALS REVIEW. ACCORDING TO REVISIONS CHART THAT THEY SHOWED PER AREA HOW MANY PROPERTIES LIKE OUT OF 23 PROPERTIES. THEY SAID THEY HAD 19.2% CHANGE IN VALUE AND WE ONLY GOT 4.5. VISION. SO AND I THINK YOU MENTIONED IT, BUT YOU SAID THERE'S BEEN NO UPDATING. NO. THAT WAS NO, IT WAS PROBABLY BUILT SOMETIME. NEEDS A ROOF. IT PROBABLY I WOULD PROBABLY SAY IT PROBABLY COULD USE SOME MORE DEPRECIATION ON IT. BASED ON WHAT THE WHAT SHE STATED WAS THE CONDITION OF THE HOUSE. THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. I HAD SOME DEPRECIATION. CAN YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S SAYING? YEAH. WHAT ARE YOU. WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? I'M SAYING I WOULD HAVE, LIKE, A 5% DEPRECIATION TO THE TO THE BUILDING. TO THE HOUSE. IT'S BASED ON THE NO UPDATING THE AND I DON'T, I DON'T. BUILDING VALUE IS THREE. 335. 300. IF YOU GIVE ME. GIVE ME A SECOND, I CAN ACTUALLY PUNCH IT. I HAVE A VISION. I CAN PUNCH IT IN AND THEN. OKAY. I, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE AERIAL MAP HERE. I THINK THAT HER, HER LAND IS THEIR, THEIR LAND IS UNDER ASSESSED. THEY PURCHASED A LAND IN 2007 FOR $57,000, I BELIEVE, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND I'M LOOKING AT THE RECORD THEY HAVE. AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY SUFFER AN EASEMENT WHICH BASICALLY CUTS THE THE LOT INTO TWO. YOU SEE THAT AND THEY HAVE A -45% REDUCTION FOR THAT. AND THEY ALSO HAVE WHICH IS THE THIS IS THE PART WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU CORRECT. THEY HAVE A A SIMILAR 45% REDUCTION FOR SHAPE. AND IF YOU LOOK TO THE LOT TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SOUTH OF THEIRS. THEY'RE SIMILAR SHAPES, EXCEPT FOR THE EASEMENT, AND THEY DO NOT HAVE A SHAPE ADJUSTMENT. SO I RECOMMEND YOU YOU KNOW, WE REMOVED THE SHAPE ADJUSTMENT FROM THE LAND AND THEN GIVE ANOTHER SOME EXTRA DEPRECIATION FOR THE LACK OF UPDATING AND THE ROOF BEING OLD, ETC.. SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION THE LAND VALUE IS AT 27,200. YES, MA'AM. LET ME RECALCULATE IT REAL QUICK. DO WE KNOW IF NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES HAVE REQUESTED A SHAPE REDUCTION? MAYBE. MAY I? I DON'T KNOW THAT. MAY I? OKAY. GO AHEAD. THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR. AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE'LL NEVER PICK UP A PEN OR MOVE A FOOT TO FILE ANY APPEAL TO DO ANYTHING. THEIR HOUSE VALUE HAS BEEN GOING UP AND UP AND UP AND UP AND UP AND UP EVER SINCE EXISTENCE. SO THEM NOT TAKING ANY ACTION OF CORRECTING, ADDRESSING OR TRYING TO FIND THE TRUTH VALUE SHOULD NOT BE A BURDEN ON US. YOU A COUPLE YEARS AGO DECIDED ON THIS LAND VALUE. YOU GUYS FINALLY, AFTER YEARS OF US TELLING YOU WE HAVE A LAND SITUATION CHARACTERISTIC THAT DESERVES A DEDUCTION, YOU, THIS BOARD HAVE FINALLY SEEN THE TRUTH AND PUT THAT VALUE ON THIS LAND. AND IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. SO IT'S UNFAIR RIGHT NOW TO THROW THAT CHANGE AT US, BECAUSE I DIDN'T COME HERE TO BE PREPARED TO HAVE A LAND VALUE CHANGE ON US, BECAUSE YOU THIS BOARD FINALLY SEEN THE TRUTH OF IT AFTER YEARS OF US TELLING IT TO YOU. SO I RESPECTFULLY OBJECT TO THIS LAST MINUTE THROWING LAND VALUE CHANGE AT US. WE DID NOT ARGUE THE LAND VALUE. IT WAS NOT RAISED QUESTION IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS FOR FOUR YEARS, FOR FOUR MONTHS OF THIS PROCESS. I THINK IT'S VERY UNFAIR TO US RIGHT NOW TO HAVE IT DONE. YOU'RE JUST CHALLENGING THE BUILDING, RIGHT? BUT I ALSO REFER BACK TO YOU ALL SO ON. VOTE ON THIS VOTE. YOU GUYS VOTED ON THAT FINAL AND SAID, OH WOW, WE FINALLY SEE THE CUT, CUT THROUGH THE LAND. AND I MEAN, THAT'S WHY THE LAND, THE ROAD GETS DETERIORATED. WE HAVE EVERYBODY WHO HAS ACCESS DRIVING WHATEVER VEHICLES THEY WANT, BUT NO ONE MAINTAINS OR HELPS US TO MAINTAIN IT. WE ARE THE FIRST ONES, SO WE GET THE MOST BRUNT OF THE TIRE, TRUCKS, WEIGHT AND TRUCKS. IT'S LIKE GRAVEL TRUCKS, RIVER RUNNING THROUGH THE DRIVEWAY AT THIS POINT IS IT IS SLOPED, SO RAIN DOES CUT A FEW. I REMEMBER WHEN WE DID THAT, WE. OH YEAH. SO IT'S ON THE RECORD WHEN THAT HAPPENED. YEAH, I CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT I HAVE IT SOMEWHERE IN HERE THAT SAYS BASICALLY YOU GUYS FINALLY VOTED ON THAT. RIGHT. SO YOU'RE NOT REQUESTING ANY DEDUCTION IN THE LAND VALUE? JUST ONLY THE BUILDINGS. THAT'S CORRECT. MA'AM, IF IF I MAY, TO CALIBRATE THE TOTAL VALUE, THE ALLOCATION BETWEEN THE LAND AND THE BUILDING. AND BE ADJUSTED HERE AND THERE. THE TOTAL VALUE OF THE PROPERTY IS WHAT IS TAXABLE. [01:05:01] SO IF WE TAKE THE ADJUSTMENT OFF AS OUR INTERIM ASSESSOR AS SUGGESTED, AND THEN ADJUST THE IMPROVEMENT VALUE AS HAS BEEN SUGGESTED. WHAT IS THE END RESULT. IT'S ON YOUR SCREEN BEFORE YOU IT WOULD BE 347. HOLD UP 347 200 SO THE LAND WOULD INCREASE TO 49,400. THE BUILDING WOULD DECREASE DOWN TO 3.97 800. AND THIS IS WHERE I WOULD NEED. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY ABOUT THE INTERNAL REVIEWS ALREADY AT 340 553 42 500. SO THIS IS WHERE I WOULD NEED Y'ALL'S OPINION. LIKE I PUT IN FIVE AS A PLACEHOLDER FOR NEEDING UPDATING. MAYBE IT'S TEN. MAYBE IT'S 10% FOR YOU. PUT IN FIVE FOR WHAT? AGAIN? SO IN OTHER WORDS, THEY HAVE THE TABLE DRIVEN DEPRECIATION AND NOT PERCENT DEPRECIATION. YEAH IT'S EITHER 5 OR 10 WHATEVER Y'ALL RECOMMEND. YOU GUYS YOU GUYS ARE REALTORS. IF A HOUSE IS AS THEY DESCRIBED, YOU KNOW MAYBE MAYBE IT NEEDS 10%. I WOULDN'T SAY IT NEEDS 50, BUT MAYBE IT'S 10%. IF IT WAS 10%, THEN IT WOULD GO DOWN. THE TOTAL WOULD GO DOWN TO THREE. 29, 700. I'M USING 2003FT² IN MY. IS THAT CORRECT? LIVING AREA IS 2003FT². THAT'S ACCORDING TO THE DRAWING. YES. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S THE DRAWING OF THE HOUSE. YES. WE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE DRAWING OF THE HOUSE. RIGHT? YES. SO YOU BELIEVE THAT? THAT IS CORRECT? CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. JUST TO KIND OF TESTING SOME OF THE COMPARABLE THINGS. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'VE KIND OF GONE OUT TO SOME OF THE SALES IN THE AREA AND THE ASSESSED VALUE BEFORE WE'VE MOVED IT. LET'S RECALCULATE THAT. WHAT ARE YOU WHAT DID YOU COME UP WITH FOR 5%, JASON? IT WAS 347. 200, I BELIEVE. AND THEN IF IT'S 10%, THE TOTAL WOULD GO DOWN TO THREE. 29? 700. I CAN'T DO 340. AND THEN THE LAND VALUE BEING. HOW MUCH? JASON 27. I'M SORRY. THE LAND VALUE BEING. HOW MUCH? 27. TWO. IT WAS 27 TWO, WHICH IS LESS THAN THEY THEY PAID FOR IT IN 2007. RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE FIRST THING I SAW WHEN I LOOKED AT IT. YEAH. AND EVEN IF WE IT'S STILL LESS THAN THEY PAID FOR IT AT 49. YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO MAKE THAT CHANGE. MADAM CHAIRMAN, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? YES. CAN YOU GIVE US THE INDIVIDUAL VALUES YOU CREATE, YOU COME UP WITH SINCE YOUR RECALCULATION. LAND VALUE. HOUSE VALUE. TOTAL VALUE. YES, SIR. WE ALL ARE CLEAR ON WHAT YOU'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT. YES, SIR. SO THE LAND WOULD BE 49,400. THE HOUSE WITH AN ADDITIONAL 10% DEPRECIATION WOULD BE 200,300, FOR A TOTAL OF 329 700. THAT'S THE WITH THE PROPOSED CHANGES. YES, PLEASE. CAN WE MAKE OBJECTION TO THAT LAND REVALUATION AGAIN, BASED ON THE FACT THAT NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE BETTER TO THIS LAND? WE PAID WHAT WE PAID AT THE TIME, NOT KNOWING WHAT THE ACTUALLY WE DID. HOPEFULLY THOUGHT THAT WE CAN REACH OUT TO VDOT AND ASK THEM TO PUT THE ROAD BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES. AND THEY SAID NO BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY ISSUES. VDOT SAID THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. WE CANNOT MOVE THE DRIVEWAY IN BETWEEN THE TWO PERMANENT RECTANGULAR LOTS. SO BUYING IT, GOING INTO IT. WE THOUGHT WE COULD CHANGE VDOT POSITION AND THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. WE'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS IT WITH THE PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT THE LAND SAYING, CAN YOU WORK WITH US IN THE SAME THING? VDOT SAYS, WE CANNOT LET YOU PUT THE DRIVEWAY WHERE YOU WANT YOU TO REMOVE THIS WHOLE SITUATION BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC CORNER VISIBILITY SAFETY ISSUE. SO 18 YEARS AGO WILL NEVER HAPPEN. WE BASICALLY SAID, NO, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET RID OF THIS SITUATION. SO WHAT DO YOU FEEL IS THE VALUE OF THE LAND? 27 200. SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. WHAT DO YOU BASE THAT ON? BECAUSE THEY VOTED ON THAT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. AND THE HOUSE HAVE NEVER BEEN ON THE MARKET AND THE ROAD IS ONLY DETERIORATING AT THIS POINT. THERE'S NOTHING BETTER HAPPENING TO IT. WE HAVEN'T PUT A NEW LOAD OF GRAVEL IN IT FOR 18 YEARS. HOW MANY HOUSES DO YOU HAVE THAT USE THAT EASEMENT? THREE. THREE. THREE HOUSES AND TWO OTHERS. THREE HOUSES. THREE PROPERTIES. WELL, TOTAL. IT'S FIVE PROPERTIES. [01:10:03] THERE'S TWO HOUSES. THERE'S THREE BIG LOTS BEHIND THAT SOMEBODY WAS GOING TO DEVELOP ON. BUT THEN DUE TO PERSONAL ISSUES THAT GOT PUT ON HOLD. YEAH, BUT SOMETIMES PEOPLE DO USE THE ROAD TO COME CHECK. IT'S AN OLD LOGGING ROAD THAT GOES BACK TOWARDS THE SWAMP AREA. RIGHT. RIGHT. YEAH. BUT THAT OUR HOUSE. 887118755. ON A DAILY BASIS AS RESIDENCES AND MAIL DELIVERY TRUCK. DELIVERY TRUCK. AMAZON, FEDEX, UPS ALL COMING BACK AND FORTH. SOMETIMES WE GET 18 WHEELERS MISTAKENLY DRIVE INTO THEIR DISTRIBUTION CENTER IN ONE OF THOSE NAVIGATION DEVICES END UP WITH OUR ADDRESS, AND WE HAD AN 18 WHEELER ONE MORNING ON OUR STUCK IN OUR DRIVEWAY. YEAH. DID YOU TELL THEM TO LEAVE GROCERIES FOR YOU? THAT WOULD BE NICE. THANK YOU. I'LL DO IT NEXT TIME. THANK YOU. THINK ABOUT THAT. YEAH. SO IF I COULD CHIME IN REAL QUICK JUST TO I THINK IT WILL RESOLVE THE WHOLE LAND ISSUE IS. SO LONG STORY SHORT I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS JUST A CONFIRM. THERE IS NO NOTICE GIVEN OUT BY THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE AHEAD OF TIME ABOUT AN IDEA OF INCREASING THE LAND VALUE. CORRECT, CORRECT. I'M. I'M JUST DOUBLE CHECKING TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. SO JUST SO FOR EVERYONE'S CLARITY HERE, 58.1 DASH 3381, WHICH GOVERNS THE ACTIONS THAT BOARD CAN TAKE AT THE BOTTOM, SAYS THAT AN ASSESSMENT WON'T BE INCREASED ON. LET'S SEE HERE. HE'S RIGHT. LET'S SEE YOUR COMMERCIAL MULTIFAMILY. RESIDENTIAL. I TAKE THAT BACK TO MY LAST. SORRY ABOUT THAT. NO. SO I WAS THINKING 33, 81 AND 3379 MIGHT PROHIBIT THAT, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE I THOUGHT I MISREAD THE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO JUST BE RESIDENTIAL IN GENERAL. SO I TAKE THAT BACK. NEVER MIND. I NEED A MOTION FROM THE BOE SO WE CAN DISCUSS. MY QUESTION IS, DID YOU JUST TRY TO CHANGE THE VALUE TO 49 FOUR? I'M SORRY. YES. EVERYTHING I'M SEEING IS IF THE VALUE IS 27 TWO. YES, MA'AM. WELL, I LOOKED IT UP ON THE AERIAL, AND THEN I REALLY I JUST LOOKED AT THE, THE LOT VALUE AND I COMPARED IT TO THE ONES THAT ARE AROUND IT, LIKE SO THE PARCEL ABOVE IT. LET ME GO BACK TO HERE WHERE YOU CAN SEE IT. THE LAND VALUE ON THE NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH. I BELIEVE IT'S $80,000, 81,000. AND THEY HAVE A SIMILAR NUMBER OF ACRES 5.2. AND THE LAND VALUE TO THE SOUTH IS. THAT'S RIGHT, 80,000. SO THE QUESTION IS, IS THIS LOT ROUGHLY TWO THIRDS LESS VALUABLE? THAT'S THAT'S ONE THING THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY IT DOES SUFFER THAT THAT IS AN ISSUE. DOES IT MAKE IT TWO THIRDS LESS VALUABLE? YOU KNOW, I WOULD LEAN TOWARD. NO, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON IT? I AGREE. AGAIN, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO YOU GUYS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT 83,000 AS IF IT'S SLAPPED ON THOSE PROPERTIES THIS YEAR. THOSE PEOPLE DON'T APPEAL IT. IT WILL STICK TO IT. THAT'S THEIR STICKER PRICE. THAT IS NOT WHAT WE'RE ACCEPTING. THIS IS THE PROCESS OF APPEALING THIS YEAR'S ASSESSMENT. SO TO SAY THAT THAT LAND IS WORTH 83, THEREFORE, WHATEVER OURS IS WORTH IS BASICALLY ACCEPTING VISIONS WORK PRODUCT AS RELIABLE, WHICH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ALREADY SAID, WE'RE GOING TO ISSUE BREACH OF CONTRACT BECAUSE WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEIR WORK PRODUCT IS RELIABLE. SO WE CANNOT BE RELYING ON A FALSE WITNESS EVIDENCE DATA TO ASSESS US. YOU JUMPING AHEAD, YOU'RE ASSUMING THAT THE VISIONS FY 26 WORK PRODUCT IS GOOD TO TAKE TO THE BANK, AND IT'S NOT. YES, MA'AM. AND EITHER ONE OF THOSE NEIGHBORS, THEY NEVER APPEALED IT. THEY'RE BOTH COUNTY EMPLOYEES. MAYBE THEY WOULD FEEL THAT THEY ARE INTIMIDATED BY THEIR EMPLOYMENT SITUATION TO GO AGAINST THE COUNTY ON AN ASSESSMENT. TO THE SOUTH OF US. GREAT NEIGHBORS, BUT I BELIEVE THEY FEEL INTIMIDATED BY THE PROCESS. THEY FEEL THERE'S NOTHING TO DO. THEY JUST EVEN KNOW THEIR FINANCIAL SITUATION. THE EXTRA TAXES HURT THEM, BUT THEY JUST BUCKLE DOWN AND DO IT AND DON'T APPEAL. UNDERSTAND? SO WE DON'T KNOW. TO TAKE IT AS A BASE IS WRONG, BECAUSE YOU'RE ASSUMING THAT THOSE PEOPLE SAID YAY, HOORAY! THEIR SILENCE DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO SUFFER. [01:15:07] AGAIN. I NEED SOMETHING FROM THE BOARD SO WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION. I MAKE A MOTION THAT THE LAND VALUES STAY AT 27 TWO AND THE HOUSE BE REDUCED TO 280, 280,300, FOR A TOTAL OF 375. YOU'LL HAVE A SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. I'M PERFECTLY FINE. SEE YOU ABLE TO. SECOND. OKAY. NOW DISCUSSION. CAN YOU TELL US THE REASON FOR THE MOTION? ELIZABETH. WELL, I DON'T AGREE THAT THE LAND IS JUST WORTH 27. TWO. AT THIS TIME, I FEEL THAT IT'S PROBABLY WORTH MORE BECAUSE OF APPRECIATION IN IN THE SALES. NOT NECESSARILY USING THE TWO BESIDE YOU, BUT THE FACT IS THAT YOU'VE GOT A FIVE ACRE LOT THAT'S ACTUALLY BEEN SPLIT IN HALF. SO YOUR YOUR REDUCTION WAS DONE PROBABLY 3 OR 4 YEARS AGO. THINGS HAVE UP HAVE APPRECIATED OVER THE YEARS, AND I FEEL THAT IT IS WORTH A LOT MORE THAN 27. TWO. EVEN THOUGH YOUR OTHER TWO ARE 80, THEY DIDN'T APPEAL. THAT'S. SO BE IT. BUT I DON'T FEEL THAT THE VALUE IS 27 TWO ANY LONGER, BUT THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE COME HERE. I FEEL THAT IT'S WORTH PRETTY MUCH WHAT THE ASSESSOR IS SAYING AT 49.4, BECAUSE IT IS A PRETTY PIECE OF LAND. ONCE YOU GET PAST THE EASEMENT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO BACK AND WALKING IN THE WOODS, YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THREE AND A HALF ACRES OF WOODS BEHIND. WELL, WE LOSE THE PRIVACY, RIGHT? WE LOSE PRIVACY AND SAFETY. OUR KIDS CANNOT RUN AROUND ON ALL FIVE ACRES. THEY HAVE A ROAD TRAFFIC IN THEIR LIFE IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR HOUSE. I LIVE ON A 50 FOOT EASEMENT AS WELL WITH THE SAME ISSUE. BUT I, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE RESPECTFUL NEIGHBORS THAT DON'T FLY THROUGH THERE WITH THERE. WHAT ABOUT AMAZON AND DELIVERY PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE IN THE AREA, RIGHT? THEY DON'T CARE. WELL, WE'VE HAD THE POST SIGNS. YEAH, WE'VE HAD BOTH SCIENCE TEAMS. WE HAVE KIDS PLAYING. WE HAVE PRIVATE ROAD. ALL THAT WAS ALL DUE RESPECT, BUT I HAVE TO KEEP AN EYE ON MY KIDS PLAYING OUTSIDE BECAUSE THERE'S A ROAD TRAFFIC OPEN TO PUBLIC IN MY YARD. UNDERSTAND? ELIZABETH. CONTINUE. I APPRECIATE IT, BUT I STILL FEEL THE VALUE THAT JASON IS SAYING IS CORRECT, REALLY FOR YOUR PROPERTY BECAUSE THE FIVE ACRES, I MEAN, YOU CAN BUY FIVE ACRES EVERY DAY FOR 55 TO 65, 70,000. IN PRINCE GEORGE, 27 TWO IS VERY LOW. SO NOW THAT THE HOUSE CONDITION, YOU HAVE NOT MADE THE IMPROVEMENTS. I THINK THAT 280 BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A BASEMENT AS WELL, WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT THERE IS SOME VALUE THERE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT WALLS AND YOU'VE GOT THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE IT AND TO CORRECT IT. SO I, I FEEL THAT WHAT JASON IS SAYING THAT THE VALUE AT 49 FOUR AND YOUR HOUSE BEING AT 283 IS TRULY WHERE THE VALUE SHOULD BE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN CHANGE THE VALUE OF THE LAND AND THE CHANGE THE VALUE OF THE HOUSE. THAT'S THAT IS UP TO THE SOURCES HERE THAT ARE. YEAH. YEAH, I THINK WE CAN. I THINK WE CAN DO THAT IF WE VOTE TO DO SO. SO IF I CAN JUST CHIME IN. REAL QUICK IS SO I WAS LOOKING AT 33, 81 AND I THOUGHT THAT THE NOTICE ISSUE WAS A THING. I JUST WAS LOOKING TOO FAR DOWN THE STATUTE. I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE. THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE IN IT WHERE IT SAYS NO ASSESSMENT SHALL BE INCREASED UNTIL AFTER THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN NOTIFIED AND GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW CAUSE AGAINST SUCH INCREASE. I'M A I'M A I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE NOTICE BEFORE THE HEARING. I SO WHAT I HERE'S WHAT I THINK IS I THINK THAT THE CURRENT ASSESSMENT IS THE CEILING, BEYOND WHICH I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT FOR THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION TO INCREASE THE ASSESSMENT. SO I THINK THAT THE OPTIONS WOULD BE TO EITHER DECREASE THE ASSESSMENT TO SOME AMOUNT BASED OFF OF WHATEVER ANALYSIS THE BOARD AGREES ON, OR TO LEAVE IT AS IT STANDS, BUT NOT TO LIKE. SO SINCE WE'RE ONLY ADDRESSING THE FAIR MARKET VALUE AND WE DON'T KIND OF REACH INTO ALL THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF THE ASSESSMENT, WHEN THE BOARD ISSUES AN ORDER THAT'S DECREASED. I BELIEVE IF IT'S A IS IT A NET DEGREE INCREASE? YES. AFTER YOU TAKE FROM 5 TO 10, IT BECOMES A NET DECREASE. [01:20:02] OKAY. SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS GETTING AT THE ALLOCATION BETWEEN LAND AND BUILDING. SO 329 700 IS WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. CORRECT. ELIZABETH. NO IT'S NOT 375. EVEN LAND VALUE, EVEN THE LAND VALUE AT 27 TWO. 72, AND THE HOUSE VALUE AT 280,300. SINCE THEY DID NOT COME IN AND SAY, YEAH, THEY DID NOT COME IN LAND VALUE. OKAY. I WAS HEARING YOU TELL US THAT THE LAND WAS WORTH MORE THAN 27. WELL, I FEEL THAT IT IS PERSONALLY. BUT FROM WHAT TOLLEY JUST SAID, WE CAN'T. THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. BUT WE WEREN'T TOLD AHEAD OF TIME THAT THEIR VALUE WOULD BE INCREASED. IT'S NOT BEING INCREASED, BUT THE VALUE OF THE LAND WOULD BE INCREASED. SO. WELL. SO THE THE ONLY THING THAT THE BOARD REALLY RULES ON IS THE FAIR MARKET VALUE. SO WE DON'T WE DON'T REALLY GO INTO THE PROPERTY VALUE SHOULD BE THIS, ETC., THAT TYPE OF THING. SO IF IF YOU THINK THAT THE PROPERTY VALUE HAS GONE UP THEN, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD JUST LOOK AT BOTH THE LAND AND THE IMPROVEMENTS ETC. AND COME UP WITH A FINAL FAIR MARKET VALUE. MY, MY ADVICE AS THOUGH IS, IS THAT I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE. THE LANGUAGE IS A LITTLE VAGUE IN THE STATUTE, A LITTLE BIT MORE VAGUE THAN I'D LIKE. I WOULD NOT WANT TO. I DON'T THINK IT'D BE WELL ADVISED FOR THE BOARD TO INCREASE THE ASSESSMENT BEYOND ITS CURRENT AMOUNT, BUT YOU CAN DECREASE IT. SO IF YOU THINK THAT THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY, ONCE YOU LOOK AT THE LAND AND THE IMPROVEMENTS IS ABOVE THE CURRENT ASSESSMENT, I WOULD JUST LEAVE THE ASSESSMENT AS IT STANDS, IS THAT IN TOTAL OR IN PART AND THE THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THE PARCEL ON APPEAL. THAT'S THE THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT WE SETTLE ON THE TOTAL. SO THEY COULD IN THEORY INCREASE THE LAND, DECREASE THE BUILDING AS LONG AS IT WENT DOWN RIGHT. IN TOTAL, THAT WOULD BE. YES. AND SO, SO STRICTLY SPEAKING, THE BOARD DOESN'T ISSUE ORDERS SAYING THE LAND WILL BE THIS, THE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE THIS, THE DEPRECIATION WILL BE THIS MUCH. RIGHT. THE BOARD JUST SAYS THIS IS THE FAIR MARKET VALUE DONE AT THE END OF IT. WE DON'T REALLY GET INTO THE GUTS OF THE THE ACTUAL ANALYSIS. SO LONG STORY SHORT, HOWEVER, WE DO THE MATH TO COME UP WITH WHAT THE BOARD THINKS AS THE NEW ASSESSMENT FOR THIS PROPERTY. IF IT'S BELOW THE CURRENT ASSESSED VALUE, THEN THAT'S FINE. BUT IF WE THINK THAT IT MIGHT BE HIGHER, I WOULD JUST LEAVE THE ASSESSMENT AS IT STANDS. DOES EVERYONE FEEL LIKE THAT'S EXPLAINED WELL? YES. THANK YOU. YES. SO I THINK YOU'RE GETTING THAT PROBABLY THE REASON FOR THAT. SO THE THIS HEARING DOESN'T FEEL PUNITIVE. YOU COME HERE SEEKING RELIEF AND THEN I JUST I'M JUST TRYING TO READ THE STATUTE. YEAH I'M JUST TRYING TO GO OFF THE STATUTE SAYS THE IT SAYS INCREASED ASSESSMENTS WON'T BE INCREASED. HOWEVER, THE NEXT SENTENCE HAS A MUCH MORE COMPLICATED SECTION TALKING ABOUT THE EXACT DETAILS AND TIMELINES OF THE NOTICE. SO I'M A LITTLE I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE GENERAL PROVISION THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE, BUT I HAVE AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION JUST SO THAT WE'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING TOO UNTOWARD. I WOULD JUST SAY UNLESS WE HAVE NOTICE AHEAD OF THE HEARING DATE, WE SHOULD USE IT TO TREAT THE CURRENT TREAT THE CURRENT ASSESSMENT AS A CAP. SO THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO LEAVE THE LAND ASSESSMENT AT 27 TO RAISE THE MOVE THE HOUSE ASSESSMENT TO 200,300, FOR A TOTAL ASSESSMENT OF 307 500. YOU'RE READY. READY TO VOTE. YOU HAD A SECOND. I KNOW, I KNOW, BUT I WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY MORE DISCUSSION, MA'AM. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE AYE. ANY NOS. ALL RIGHT, MA'AM. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. MAY I GET THE QUOTE THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO? THE ONE THAT HAD A CODE CITATION? DID THEY HAVE? YES. I WAS REFERRING TO 58.1 DASH 3381. IT'S TITLED ACTION OF BOARD. SEMICOLON. NOTICE REQUIRED BEFORE INCREASE MADE. THANK YOU. AND IN PARTICULAR IT'S SUBSECTION A. SO THANK YOU 8.11 USE. 33. 81. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. YOU ALL HAVE A BLESSED DAY. AGRICULTURAL PROGRAM. JUSTIN GOODMAN. OKAY. OKAY. GOOD MORNING SIR. GOOD MORNING. AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, THE COUNTY OFFICIALS ENVISION THAT WILL BE SPEAKING HAS ALREADY BEEN SWORN IN. OKIE DOKE. I ASK THAT YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND STATE YOUR FULL NAME. JUSTIN GOODMAN. DO YOU SWEAR OR PROMISE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH TODAY UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY? I DO, ALL RIGHT. FIVE MINUTES. COOL. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THAT'S OKAY. SO JUST, YOU KNOW, CAN I SPEAK FREELY AT THE MOMENT? [01:25:01] WAIT A MINUTE. BREAK SOMETHING. RESET THE CHAT. YES. ALL RIGHT. COOL. OKAY. BUT. TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY. TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A TON OF HERE. GO AHEAD. OKAY, SO I STARTED THIS MORNING OUT, AND I JUST WANTED TO GO OVER MY FACTS AGAIN. AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT CAME TO MIND WAS JUST CHECKING FOR BASEMENTS. SO I DID A SEARCH. SIMPLE SEARCH, RANDOM FOR TRI LEVELS AND QUADS. AND I KID YOU NOT, EVERY SINGLE ONE THAT I PULLED IS OVER ASSESSED. YOU GUYS ARE CHARGING THEM FOR THE OVERHANGS ON THEIR HOMES. SO THE THREE THAT I DID, AND THEN I JUST STOPPED DOING THE MATH. JUST BEAR WITH ME NOW. YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE THIS. THE THE COUNTY IS MAKING 155 52 OFF THESE THREE PROPERTIES. IF THE HOMEOWNERS DON'T COMPLAIN NOW LET'S DIVIDE THAT BY THREE. THAT'S $50 A HOUSE. NOW LET'S JUST SAY THE MATH. MATH'S THERE ARE 14,000 RESIDENTS. WE ARE TALKING $700,000 IS BEING STOLEN. THIS IS TAXATION WITH REPRESENTATION, SO I'M GLAD I HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY. I AM PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN CITIZEN. I AM STARTING A FARM HERE IN THIS COUNTY SO PEOPLE CAN COME PICK THEIR OWN STUFF. I'M A REALTOR HERE. SO HAVING THIS HAPPEN TO US IS VERY DISTURBING. WE HAD INCREASES OF 2000FT² ON OUR SIX PROPERTIES HERE IN PRINCE GEORGE, WITHOUT SWINGING A SINGLE HAMMER. THE COUNTY DID RECTIFY SOME OF THAT ALREADY, BUT THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS. THAT IS $1,600 THEY'RE STEALING FROM MY FAMILY. IF WE DIDN'T FIGHT IT. EVERY CITIZEN NEEDS TO COME BEFORE AND FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT. THERE SHOULD BE SOME FORM OF MANUAL AUDIT BECAUSE I COULD DO IT. IF I GO KNOCK ON ALL THESE PEOPLE'S DOORS. YOU KNOW, I GOT THREE ADDRESSES, YOU KNOW? I MEAN, IT'S JUST TERRIBLE. IT'S TERRIBLE. SO I'M HERE BECAUSE THERE'S TWO LEFT THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY THAT DIDN'T GET ADJUSTED. ARE THEY ABLE TO PULL THOSE TWO UP. WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THE PROPERTY THAT YOU AT 807 MARLBOROUGH AVENUE. YEP. COOL. SO THEY ACTUALLY DID ADJUST THAT. IF YOU PULL UP MY APPEAL, YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY WERE CHARGING ME FOR MY CARPORT SHED, 72FT², I BELIEVE. WELL, NOW THAT'S MAGICALLY DISAPPEARED. SO I'M HERE JUST TO SAY THAT EVEN THAT IS FALSE BECAUSE I WAS BEING CHARGED. THAT'S WHAT I APPEALED, I BELIEVE, FOR THAT PROPERTY. WAS THE LITTLE SHED ON THE CARPORT. THEN THERE IS ONE MORE PROPERTY THAT I AM HERE TO TALK ABOUT, AND THAT IS THE FARM THAT IS THE HOME WE HAVE. WE HAVE A WALKOUT BASEMENT THAT HAS NO WINDOWS ON THE SIDE. THERE SHOULD BE TWO. APPEAL WAS ONLY FOR MARLBOROUGH AVENUE. IS THAT CORRECT? MAN, I I'M MA'AM, I APOLOGIZE. I APPEAL SEVEN TOTAL PROPERTIES FOR MY FAMILY. I APPEALED THREE FOR ME SPECIFICALLY. I'M SORRY. FOUR FOR ME SPECIFICALLY. OKAY, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I THINK WE HAVE TO FOLLOW. NO, NO. YOU'RE FINE. I'M SORRY. NO. SO THEY EMAILED ME CONVENIENTLY YESTERDAY AND TOLD ME THAT THEY HAD GONE OUT AND FIXED TWO OF THE PROPERTIES. I'M TELLING YOU, WE'RE TALKING, LIKE, 700FT². JUST DISAPPEARED. THIS IS JUST INSANE. SO, YOU KNOW, THEN HE TRIED TO SAY THAT 8007 WAS STILL UP FOR REVIEW. I DIDN'T CALL HIM BACK YESTERDAY, BUT TO BE TOTALLY HONEST, THAT ONE HAS BEEN ADJUSTED. BUT THAT WAS THREE. SO THAT'S THREE FOR THREE THAT WERE INCORRECT. MY PARENTS WILL BE HERE TOMORROW BECAUSE THEY HAVE THREE THAT WERE ALL WRONG. SO WE'RE TALKING SEVEN FOR SEVEN, YOU KNOW, ARE WRONG ON MY FAMILY'S PERSONAL PROPERTIES. IF YOU ALL OWN PROPERTIES IN PRINCE GEORGE, YOU BETTER REALLY CHECK BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S, YOU KNOW, SMELLS FISHY. BUT THE OTHER ONE IS, IF YOU DON'T MIND PULLING IT UP, I APOLOGIZE. THAT'S OKAY. IT'S GOING TO BE 15 201 JAMES RIVER DRIVE. I HOPE SINCE WE'RE DISCUSSING MULTIPLE APPEALS, I'LL GET MORE THAN THAT FIVE MINUTES. JUST BEING HONEST, THERE'S TWO FOR SURE, SO I SHOULD AT LEAST GET TEN MINUTES. GO AHEAD SIR. EXCELLENT. SO THIS ONE IS OUR FARM. IT IS A WALKOUT BASEMENT. THERE ARE NO WINDOWS IN THE FRONT, NOR THE SIDE. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S REALLY AWFUL THAT THEY DON'T HAVE IT BROKE DOWN TO SHOW YOU IF YOU'RE BEING CHARGED. DIFFERENT SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE LIVING SPACE. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE DOWNSTAIRS IS NOT COUNTED. IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE. I'M A REALTOR. IT NECESSARILY WOULDN'T BE COUNTED, YOU KNOW, ON CERTAIN THINGS. AND IT IS A WALKOUT BASEMENT. IT DOES HAVE HEATING AND COOLING, BUT THE ONLY WINDOW IS ON THE BACK AND THE SLIDING DOOR IS [01:30:01] A FULL WALKOUT BASEMENT. AND YOU KNOW, IF THEY ARE CHARGING ME THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE PRICE FOR THE LIVING SPACE UPSTAIRS IS DOWNSTAIRS. I JUST WANT TO SEE WHERE IN THE CODE THAT IT STATES THAT THEY DO THAT BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. AS IT CONTINUES. YEAH. COOL. AND SO THAT'S REALLY IN REGARDS TO THAT PROPERTY. I DO FEEL THAT THEIR LAND VALUES ARE SUPER OVERINFLATED, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE SMALLER PARCELS. SO UNLESS THEY ARE MANUALLY CHECKING AND THEY'RE COMPARING SALES, SOME OF YOU MAY BE REALTORS, I BELIEVE YOU KNOW THAT SALES DON'T ALWAYS APPRAISALS. PEOPLE WILL PAY CASH OVER THE APPRAISAL, SO IT'S REALLY HARD FOR THEM TO EVEN. I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THEY COME UP WITH THE VALUES THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY. BUT THERE IS A RECENT SALE OF AN ACRE IN PRINCE GEORGE. AND IT'S 40,000. SO IF YOU'RE PAYING 40 GRAND FOR AN ACRE OF LAND THAT YOU'RE BUILDING ON. OKAY, THEN WHY AM I BEING CHARGED 40 GRAND FOR 0.68? ALSO, ALL OF OUR HOMES ON MARLBOROUGH. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE THE WHO WE GET TO CHANGE IT, BUT WE ARE NOT PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER. THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE VALUE OF OUR LAND. WE ARE WELL IN SEPTIC. ALL OF THE PROPERTIES, ALL FOUR OF MARLBOROUGH, YOU KNOW. SO THERE ARE HUGE ERRORS THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE SYSTEM. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR IT GOES BACK, BUT I MEAN, I SPENT JUST A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AND I REALLY STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THE OFFICIALS WHO GET PAID TO DO THIS, TO DO IT BEFORE THE CITIZENS, EVEN IF I HAVE TO DO IT AND GO KNOCK ON THESE DOORS. I GOT THREE ADDRESSES RIGHT HERE AND LET THEM KNOW THEY'RE BEING CHARGED FOR THEIR OVERHANG. YOU KNOW, THE MONEY ADDS UP. SO MY PARENTS THREE PROPERTIES, $300 IS WHAT THEY WERE BEING OVERCHARGED TOTAL FOR THE YEAR. THAT'S 100 PER HOUSE. LET'S SAY THAT ACTUALLY MASKS TO 100 HOUSES. THAT'S $1.4 MILLION. THAT THE COUNTY IS STEALING FROM US IS REALLY BAD. THERE SHOULD BE MASSIVE APOLOGIES FROM WHOEVER HIRED VISION, BUT THAT'S MY, YOU KNOW. SO I'M JUST HERE TO SPEAK THE FACTS. AND THE FACTS ARE THAT SOMEHOW 2000FT² GOT ADDED ON TO OUR PROPERTIES. I STILL FEEL THAT IF I'M BEING CHARGED 4600 FOR 15 201 JAMES RIVER DRIVE, IF I'M BEING CHARGED THE FULL SQUARE FOOTAGE, THEN I JUST REALLY WANT TO SEE SOMETHING THAT SAYS THAT THAT WALKOUT FULL BASEMENT GETS THE SAME BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ON THERE. I MEAN, THE REALLY THE ASSESSMENTS ARE ALL FISHY. YOU DON'T SEE THE DIAGRAMS THAT'LL EVEN SHOW YOU WHAT THEY'RE CHARGING FOR SQUARE FOOTAGE UNLESS YOU GO ONLINE. HOW MANY OF OUR CITIZENS ARE ELDERLY AND ARE GOING TO DO THAT? HOW MANY DON'T EVEN WANT TO DO THE FIGHT? AND SO SINCE THEY DON'T, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS HAPPENED. IT'S 2025. IT'S REAL SCARY ACTUALLY. SO I HAVE A BOTTOM LINE. I HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER WHO WAS A CAREER SATELLITE IMAGERY SPECIALIST, AND HE SAID HE CANNOT BELIEVE THAT THE COUNTY HIRED SOMETHING TO USE A EHS. IT'S JUST INCREDIBLE. INCREDIBLE THE AMOUNT OF ERROR. AND THEN THEY JUST PASS IT OFF LIKE IT WAS COOL. I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE HERE. I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME JUST TO. BUT BUT I AM. AND I'M PROUD THAT I HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE HERE. THANK GOD. BUT YOU KNOW, SO APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AS WELL. WHAT ARE EXACTLY? LET'S TAKE ONE PROPERTY AT A TIME. YEAH, NO, THAT'S COOL CUZ I'M. I GET VERY CONFUSED. NO. IT'S COOL. THANK YOU. THE JAMES RIVER DRIVE PROPERTY. YES. 15201 JAMES RIVER DRIVE. COOL. WHAT ARE YOU ASKING FOR ON THAT PROPERTY? SO I DO HAVE 4600FT² OF SPACE, BUT IT'S A NON-AGGRESSIVE WALKOUT BASEMENT. THERE ARE NO WINDOWS ON THE SIDE, NO WINDOWS IN THE FRONT. IT DEFINITELY FALLS UNDER DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. AND YOU KNOW, AN APPRAISER WOULD DEFINITELY KNOW THAT BEST. AND THE BIGGEST THING IS, EVERYTHING THAT I'M READING IS THAT SHOULD NOT COUNT AS THE SAME PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT EVER, AS THE UPSTAIRS LIVING SPACE, BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T LIVE DOWN THERE. YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WHAT I AM ASKING FOR IS IF THEY'RE GOING TO CHARGE PEOPLE, THE CITIZENS, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT YOU RIGHT NOW. IF THEY'RE GOING TO CHARGE ME, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE BREAKDOWN. AND IF IT'S ALL THE SAME, THEN I JUST WANT TO SEE A STATUTE THAT SAYS IT'S ALL THE SAME, BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT I AM READING SAYS I SHOULD BE CHARGED DIFFERENTLY PER SQUARE [01:35:02] FOOTAGE FOR THE FOR A FOR A BASEMENT. IT'S THE BASEMENT FINISHED OR UNFINISHED. IT'S FINISHED. IT'S FINISHED AND HEATED AND COOLED AND HEATING. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AN UNFINISHED IT'S NOT A SUMP PUMP. NO, IT IS FINISHED, BUT IT SHOULDN'T. AND IF IT DOES, THEN THAT'S COOL. I JUST WANT TO SEE THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE. JUST SOMETHING IN THAT IT STATES THAT. OKAY. SO I BELIEVE JOHN, YOU MEASURE JOHN WENT AND MEASURED THREE OF THE HOUSES THAT HE IS DISCUSSING. AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE DISCUSSING JAMES RIVER DRIVE. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO STAY FOCUSED ON ONE AT A TIME. 15 201 15 201 JAMES RIVER DRIVE. OKAY. SO JUST IN GENERAL, THAT ONE WAS MEASURED. LET ME SEE IF I CAN BRING IT UP IN OUR COMPUTER SYSTEM REAL QUICK. THAT'S MARLBOROUGH. SORRY. ARE YOU WITH ME, SIR? 18415 JAMES RIVER DRIVE. IS THAT CORRECT? 15201 TOLD YOU THERE WERE A BUNCH OF THEM. SORRY. 152013. ALL RIGHT. SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO JOHN WINTON REMEMBERED IT, AND HE'S A CERTIFIED RESIDENTIAL APPRAISER. SO CAN YOU SPEAK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT, JASON, PLEASE? YES, MA'AM. SO, JOHN HERE, WE MEASURED IT YESTERDAY. WE HAVE THE BASEMENT LISTED AS BEING FINISHED AS IT IS. WELL, I HAVE TO. I'M SORRY. I HAVE TO CORRECT YOU. I MEASURED TO THIS ONE, I DID I DID NOT GET IT UP TO YOU. NO WORRIES. SO I APOLOGIZE. I DID TALK TO HIM ABOUT THE BASEMENT ISSUE. YEP. NO, NO, NO. THAT'S WHY. AND I TOLD HIM EXACTLY. I DON'T WANT TO INTERJECT, BUT WE TALKED ON THE PHONE. I TOLD HIM EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO DISCUSS, AND I BELIEVE PRETTY MUCH WHAT I TOLD YOU I WAS GOING TO BRING IN THAT. SO THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN, IS THE CAMERA SYSTEM CHARGING THE SAME RATE FOR BASEMENT SPACE AS IT IS FOR ABOVE GROUND SPACE. UNFORTUNATELY, THE PEOPLE WHO COULD ANSWER THAT NO LONGER ARE HERE. I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE SO. YES, SIR. IT IS. LET ME SEE. WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS I'M GOING TO RUN THE COST REPORT, AND SO HIS UPPER LEVEL IS 2300FT², AND THEN THE BASEMENT IS FINISHED, WHICH WOULD, IN EFFECT, DOUBLE THAT ON YOUR SCREEN HERE. HERE'S THE COST REPORT. AND IT'S TAKING IT'S USING THE TOTAL WHICH IS 4700 AND MULTIPLYING IT THERE. SO IT IS. YES, I BELIEVE SO. I WISH THESE PEOPLE WERE HERE. THE PERSON WHO DESIGNED IT DID JOIN, BUT ARE UNFORTUNATELY NO LONGER ON THE CALL. YEAH. AND AND HE'S HE'S WITH VISION BUT THE BEST OF MY ABILITY. I WOULD SAY YES IT IS. AND I DID LOOK AT. LET ME SWITCH BACK. IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, IS IT PROPER TO TO KNOW, APPLY THE SAME RATE TO THE BASEMENT SQUARE FOOTAGE AS IT IS THE ABOVE GROUND SQUARE FOOTAGE? NO, I WOULD, I WOULD NOT HOWEVER. OKAY. THAT'S NOT I MEAN, THAT'S JUST NOT. I WOULDN'T DO IT THAT WAY. I'VE NEVER SEEN IT DONE IN VIRGINIA. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SALES I TOLD YOU GUYS, I LOOKED AT THE SALES OF MYSELF. I STILL USE THEM BACK. I BELIEVE TILL 2021. HERE, LET ME SEE. HERE. I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU WRONG. DID YOU SAY A YEAR? I STARTED THE SALES BACK TO 2018. CAME UP WITH 2500 SALES. [01:40:01] AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THEM BY BASEMENT VERSUS NO BASEMENT, THE RESULTS ARE NOT DISSIMILAR. SO THE HOUSES THAT DON'T HAVE A BASEMENT, THEY'RE ASSESSED AT ROUGHLY 89% OF ITS MARKET VALUE. THE HOUSES WITH THE BASEMENT ARE AT 88%. SO ACTUALLY JUST A SMIDGE LOW. AND THEN I HAVE THIS BREAKOUT RIGHT HERE ON THIS TABLE. AND THESE ARE THE HOUSES THAT HAVE SOLD. THESE ARE ONLY THE RECENT SALES. I THINK I LIMITED IT TO SALE 24 AND 25 THAT HAVE A BASEMENT AND ARE FINISHED. SO THIS IS. THIS IS COMING RIGHT FROM THE MLS. BASEMENT FINISHED SQUARE FOOT RIGHT FROM THE MLS. THESE ARE HOUSES THAT HAVE SOLD IN PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY IN THE LAST TWO YEARS WITH FINISHED BASEMENTS. AND THEIR ASSESSMENT IS ALSO 89%. SO ALTHOUGH IT LOOKS IT LOOKS FUNNY. AND IT'S NOT HOW I WOULD HAVE DESIGNED IT HAD I BEEN THE PERSON WHO DESIGNED IT. YOU CAN'T REALLY SAY THAT THEY'RE OVER THERE, OVER ASSESSING THEM BECAUSE OF THAT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. AND I WOULD ADD IS NOT MAYBE HOW WE WOULD HAVE DONE IT, BUT THE END RESULT. AND IF I COULD ADD TO I BEING WITH VISION, I WOULD AGREE WITH JASON. I'VE NEVER SEEN IT DONE THAT WAY EITHER. AND I WOULDN'T DO IT THAT WAY EITHER. BUT THAT BEING SAID, IT, LIKE JASON SAID IT, IT WAS UNIFORMLY APPLIED, FINISHED BASEMENTS. IT WASN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, ONE NEIGHBORHOOD BASEMENT'S GOT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE LIKE THE UPSTAIRS. IT WAS APPLIED ACROSS THE COUNTY, SO IT WAS DONE UNIFORMLY. THE TEST AT THE END OF THE DAY IS. IS THIS A REASONABLE VALUE? YOU KNOW? RIGHT. RIGHT. ADD 10% HERE THAT YOU MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN DEDUCTED IN PERCENT OVER HERE, THAT MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE RIGHT AT THE END OF THE DAY. IT'S THAT THAT'S A BULK VALUE. IT GOES BACK TO THE ALLOCATION LAND BUILDING. IF IF THE TOTAL ASSESSED VALUE IS REASONABLE AND EQUITABLE AND HERE'S THEN THEN WE'RE GOOD. HERE'S THE ONE REDEEMING POINT THAT YOU CAN SAY I'M GOING TO SWITCH BACK TO THIS OTHER COMPUTER. I'M TRYING TO MATCH THREE DIFFERENT COMPUTERS. SORRY. ON THIS COST REPORT HERE. I'M GONNA MAKE IT BIGGER SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE YOU SEE HOW IT'S IT'S TAKING THIS RATE AND MULTIPLYING IT TIMES 0.56. YEP. SO IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S BEING TREATED AS THOUGH IT WAS LIKE A MONSTER SIZED HOUSE. SO IT'S GIVING A SIZE FACTOR WHICH IS REDUCING THAT RATE. YOU FOLLOW ME. YEP. SO IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY IT'S BEING TREATED THE SAME, BUT YOU'RE GETTING A BIGGER DISCOUNT. VERSUS HAVING. IF THIS WAS IF THE SIZE FACTOR WAS JUST ON THE UPPER LEVEL, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE IN THE 80S OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW. SO HIS HOUSE, LIKE ON THE UPPER LEVEL, IS NOT SO MUCH BIGGER THAN THE OTHER HOUSES IN THE COUNTY, BUT HE'S GETTING A DISCOUNT. I KNOW IT'S A LONG, ROUNDABOUT WAY OF SAYING IT. BUT HE'S THIS 0.56 IS THE DISCOUNT BECAUSE OF THE BASEMENT BEING FINISHED. IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU CONSTRUCT A HOME, THE LARGER THE SIZE OF THE HOME, THEN THE COST, THE BULK BUY DISCOUNT, I GET IT. SAME WITH LAND. YEAH. FOR SURE. I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY. YEAH. ALTHOUGH IT DOES, IT DOES LOOK FUNNY. I DON'T BELIEVE IT VIOLATES ANY. LIKE, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT BOUND BY, LIKE, FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC. AND THEY'RE LIKE PRIVATE MARKET. PRIVATE MORTGAGE MARKET RULES. THE ASSESSORS CAN EMPLOY ANY METHODOLOGY THAT'S LEGAL AND THAT PRODUCES, AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU WANT IT TO PRODUCE REASONABLE RESULTS. ABSOLUTELY. MR. GOODMAN, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP. EXCELLENT. YES. SO WHY DON'T THE CITIZENS RECEIVE THIS? WHERE CAN WE GET A COPY OF THIS? THIS IS NOT EMAILED, SO WE DON'T SEE EXACTLY HOW THE ASSESSMENT IS BEING CHARGED. THAT'S PROBABLY ON A PRIVATE SERVER THAT WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO. OKAY, COOL. SO I JUST SECOND HE WAS GOING TO ANSWER. WELL, YEAH. I MEAN, LIKE YOU DID YOU KNOW ABOUT THE COST REPORT? YEAH. I'VE SEEN YOU SEEN IT BEFORE. SO ALL THE STAFF IS RELATIVELY NEW. I THINK THE MOST TENURED PERSON STARTED IN FEBRUARY, SO THEY DIDN'T NECESSARILY KNOW THIS. I DEALT WITH VISION. YOU KNOW, I'VE USED IT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW, SO WE DIDN'T. WE WEREN'T TRYING TO HIDE ANYTHING. I DON'T KNOW IF VISION STANDARD PROCEDURE IS TO GIVE THIS OUT OR NOT, YOU KNOW WELL, THEIR STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE IS DEFINITELY TERRIBLE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE SAID THAT THAT'S NOT HOW YOU WOULD HAVE APPRAISED IT. I SEE SOME BOGUS DISCOUNT ON HERE. ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT ALTHOUGH IT DOES HAVE A WALKOUT BASEMENT, IT'S NOT LIKE I HAVE TWO STOREYS IN A BASEMENT, SO, YOU KNOW YOU BETTER. YOU KNOW, THAT'S DEFINITELY SMOKE AND MIRRORS ON Y'ALL'S PART. I GET IT. THIS IS A HORRIBLE THING THAT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT, YOU KNOW? WHAT ARE YOU ASKING FOR ON THE JAMES RIVER DRIVE PROPERTY? [01:45:02] I THINK IT'S VERY SUSPICIOUS. THE JUMP IN PRICE OF MY TAXES FROM 2005 TO 2006, YOU KNOW, AND IF THAT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOW INCLUDING MY WALKOUT BASEMENT. THE WHAT WAS YOUR INCREASE FROM 2004 TO 2005? ARE THEY ABLE TO PULL THAT UP? I CAN I CAN PULL IT UP REAL QUICK. NO PROBLEM. YEP. THAT'S A TWO YEAR INCREASE. AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT I'M TRYING TO REMIND THE FOLKS THAT ARE APPEALING THEIR ASSESSMENTS. THESE ARE TWO YEAR INCREASES. IT'S IT'S THE GROWTH OF THE MARKET OVER A TWO YEAR PERIOD BECAUSE LAST ASSESSMENT WAS VOIDED. VOIDED. OKAY. I MEAN SO SO IF IT SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, 15% MAN THAT'S A LOT. IT'S REALLY SEVEN AND A HALF OR, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS WORTH OF GROWTH. BUT ARE WE EXPECTING A SEVEN AND A HALF TAX IN, YOU KNOW, INCREASE LIKE MOVING FORWARD. IS THIS VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION. THE TAX RATE IS SET BY COUNCIL RIGHT. YOU KNOW THIS IS THE GOAL HERE IS TO COME UP WITH THE VALUE OF THE REAL ESTATE PERIOD FULL STOP. THE TAX RATE IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FUNCTION. AND THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT GETS A LITTLE BIT CONVOLUTED AND MIXED UP. CONFUSING BECAUSE YOU SEE YOU KNOW, $500,000 PROPERTY VALUE. BAM. THAT'S TAX INCREASE. WELL IT'S ONLY ONE PART OF THE EQUATION IS TO REMEMBER THE TAX RATE IS ALSO PART OF THE EQUATION. AND THEN WITH THAT ESPECIALLY WITH THIS HOUSE, AT LEAST I'M JUST YOU KNOW, I JUST THE, THE DOWNSTAIRS. I JUST DON'T KNOW, MAN, I APOLOGIZE. IT'S TAKEN ME A SECOND TO PULL THIS UP. AND SO I WOULD GO OUT ON A LIMB AND SAY THAT WOULD. THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE WILL LOOK AT IN THEIR METHODOLOGY OVER THE COMING YEAR. RIGHT. WELL, WE TREAT BASEMENTS MAYBE DID IT IS IT ERRONEOUS THIS YEAR? IS IT IS IT A AN ASSESSMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED FOR THIS CASE TODAY? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD TO THE STAFF OR TO MR. GOODMAN. AND THIS IS ABOUT 15 201 JAMES RIVER DRIVE BEFORE WE. YEP. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. SO WHAT ARE YOU. WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? YOUR ASSESSMENT SHOULD BE FOR 48 FIVE. I APOLOGIZE, I'M TRYING TO PULL IT UP. GIVE ME JUST ONE MOMENT. I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. 440 854 48 FIVE. SO I WAS. NO, I WAS EXPECTING, YOU KNOW, REALLY, LIKE 538 500 IS A MORE REALISTIC. AND THAT WAS MY 2025. YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT JUMPS UP THAT THAT HIGH OF A PERCENTAGE, I GET IT. ON YOUR APPLICATION, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE YOU'RE SEARCHING FOR 448 FIVE. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN BECAUSE I WAS GOING BACK. YEAH, I WAS I WAS GOING BACK TO LIKE, YEAH, 2020. I WAS FILLING OUT SEVEN OF THEM. SO YOU KNOW. OH, LORD. YEAH. NO. SO BUT REALISTICALLY YOU KNOW, I MEAN I REALLY YOU KNOW, THE 2025 IS A MUCH CLOSER, YOU KNOW ESTIMATE TO VALUE. OKAY. AND THAT'S THREE I'M SORRY, THAT'S 538 500. RIGHT. YEAH. WE HAVE DOWN HERE THAT THE 2026 ASSESSMENT IS 538 FIVE. ABOUT 15 201 JAMES RIVER DRIVE. 15 201 JAMES RIVER. I'VE GOT. 538 FIVE. AM I LOOKING AT SOMETHING WRONG? NO, I YOU KNOW, I'M, I AM UNDER OATH. AND I MEAN, I'M JUST PROBABLY MIXING UP MY STUFF, AND I APOLOGIZE. THAT'S OKAY. SIR. BUT IF THE IF THAT IS IT, THEN, YOU KNOW GEEZ, I. DID WELL. WHAT DID I PUT ON THERE? I DON'T HAVE IT. I'M SORRY. THE NOTICE. DO YOU HAVE THE ASSESSMENT? REASSESSMENT NOTICE? IT WOULD BE ON THERE. AND DO YOU HAVE MY APPEAL PAPER THAT I PUT? THIS THIS PAPER REASSESSMENT NOTICE THAT WAS NOT IN THERE. NO. THE GOODMAN FILE JUST HAD FOUR PROPERTY RECORDS BECAUSE THE ONE WITH THE FINISHED BASEMENT, I HAVE ASSESSED THAT FIVE, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE. THAT'S WHAT'S WRITTEN ON THE APPEAL APPLICATION PRIOR. YES. IT'S NOT ON HERE. WE STILL HAVE 538 FIVE. OKAY, THEN THAT IS WHAT HE. SO I AM APPEALING THE 578 VALUE. [01:50:03] WHAT IS THE PROPOSED ASSESSMENT FROM THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE? IT'S 570. I HAVE IT DOWN HERE. IT'S 578 NINE. OKAY. THESE GUYS HAVE A CARD PROPERTY RECORD CARD THAT SAYS FIVE 3838. WE REALLY SHOULD LOOK AT THE WEBSITE BECAUSE I DON'T WOULDN'T RELY ON THOSE NUMBERS HERE BECAUSE IT'S. YEAH. YEAH. WHAT? YEAH. FIVE. SEVEN. EIGHT. NINE. SO IF YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE AND PULL IT UP BY THE WEBSITE, YOU GO TO THAT COUNTY. IT'S RIGHT HERE. WELL, THAT'S THIS IS THIS IS RIGHT HERE IN VISION. I HAVEN'T CHANGED ANYTHING THIS MORNING ON THIS ONE. YEP. WHAT DOES THAT SAY? IT SAYS FIVE 538 FIVE. I CAN, I DON'T KNOW, JUST DANGEROUS. SEVEN 1527 1525 WHEN I LOOK ON THIS, IT SAYS ALT LAND VALUES. WHAT DOES THAT ONE MEAN? IF YOU DON'T MIND AN EXPLANATION FOR US? I'VE GOT CARDS. THREE OF THESE. I'M SORRY, BUT THERE ARE TWO OF THEM. LIKE OUR AGRICULTURAL OR SOMETHING. OKAY. HERE'S. THE APPLICATION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WHERE ARE YOU? WHAT DO YOU THINK? HE REQUESTED FOR 48 500. THIS FOR ABOUT TEN MINUTES AND LET THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE ENVISION THEIR. GET THERE. YEAH. OKAY. CAN WE TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK? I'LL GO DOWN AND PULL AND PRINT IT OUT. OKAY. TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK, AND DURING THE BREAK, CAN YOU GET SEE A VISION CAN GET BACK ON THE CALL? YES. THERE'S NO REASON THEY SHOULD NOT BE HERE. EXACTLY RIGHT. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU, MR. GOODWIN. YES, SIR. WE GOT IT. OH, THANK YOU, MISS SCOTT. I WAS REALLY GOING THROUGH MY MIND. YEAH, I'VE GOT ME A PIECE OF PAPER UP HERE. SO, MR. GOODMAN, FROM WHAT I'M TO REHASH A LITTLE BIT, YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE ON 15201 JAMES RIVER DRIVE. YES, MA'AM. YOU ARE NOT. YOU'RE REQUESTING NO INCREASE IN YOUR ASSESSMENT FROM 25. FROM 538 5 TO 578 578 NINE. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. ANY COMMENTS FROM THE VISION OR FROM THE COUNTY? MR.. MISS, TRYING TO RECAP EXACTLY WHAT HE'S REQUESTING FOR THIS ONE PROPERTY ONLY. OKAY. MR.. TRELLO IS HERE. HERE IS MR. TORELLO. I JUST. HE REQUESTED TO BE ADMITTED, AND I JUST CLICKED HIM IN. SO I BELIEVE OKAY. THEY'RE BOTH HERE. NOW. I'M JUST GOING TO. YEAH. ERIC, YOU GOOD WITH EVERYTHING? I'M SORRY. CAN YOU HEAR US? WE CAN. WE CAN HEAR YOU GUYS. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, SIR. WE CAN. ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE ALL SET WITH THE HEARING. SEAN TELLS ME I GOT OUT FOR A MINUTE AND SAID THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON CERTAIN THINGS AFTER YOU GO WITH EVERYTHING. YES. WE'RE REQUESTING THAT YOU ALL STAY ON FOR THESE HEARINGS, PLEASE. SURE. THANK YOU. DID YOU WANT HIM TO CLARIFY HOW THE BASEMENTS WERE DONE? YES, PLEASE. OKAY, SO. SO THEY HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE THE THE TAXPAYER BROUGHT UP THE METHODOLOGY OF THE BASEMENT BEING VALUED BASICALLY THE SAME AS THE UPPER LEVEL. AND I'M IN VISION AND I WENT TO THE SUB AREAS AND I CLICKED ON FINISHED BASEMENTS. AND THE PERCENTAGE OF EFFECTIVE AREA IS LISTED AT 100%. [01:55:03] SO I'M GUESSING THAT MEANS IT'S THE SAME OR I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, YOU GUYS. YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO GUESS. I WANT YOU TO EXPLAIN IT. THANK YOU. JASON. THE PROPERTY WE HAVE IN QUESTION IS 15201 JAMES RIVER DRIVE. DO YOU COPY THAT, SEAN? YEP. Y'ALL HEAR US? OKAY. I KNOW BY NOW I HAVE YOUR COPY. THANK YOU. STOLEN. YOU'VE GOT THE BINDER RINGS. I DON'T HAVE ANY. NO, I DON'T GUESS SOME GIRL JUST GAVE YOU A GIRL LIKE YOU. ARE HE SAYING THAT THEY. THEY CAN HEAR US, BUT WE CANNOT HEAR THEM, SO THAT'S NOT HELPING US AT ALL. THIS IS ME. THIS IS NOT EVEN THE RIGHT PROPERTY WE HAVE UP HERE. MAYBE. MAYBE ON MUTE. UNMUTE YOURSELF. I DON'T. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE YOU'RE MUTED HERE. MAYBE I DON'T KNOW. ARE YOU SAYING THEY'RE NOT MUTED? DOO DOO DOO DOO DOO DOO. MICROPHONE IS WRONG. I'M. SORRY, MR. GOODMAN. THANK YOU. TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES. THEY GOT A LOT OF THEM. WHAT IF I CAN DRAW YOUR ATTENTION WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THEM? MAYBE THIS TECHNICAL THING. HERE'S A HOUSE. THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE ONES THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR COST REPORT THEY'RE ADDING IN ABOUT 1000 SQUARE FOOT OF FINISHED BASEMENT AS WELL. SO YOU SEE, THIS IS 2934 RIGHT HERE. 2934 AND THEN IF YOU GO TO THE SKETCH. THE ABOVE THE ABOVE AREA IS ONLY 1500. THEY'RE ADDING IN THAT 1000. AND THIS ONE SOLD FOR 520,000. WE HAVE IT MARKED AS A VALID SALE. SEPTEMBER OF WHATEVER 2024 AND ITS BASEMENT IS BEING TREATED THE SAME AS THIS ONE. AND YET IT'S IN THE SAME RANGE OF BEING ASSESSED TO WHAT IT'S SOLD FOR. LIKE THE OTHER ONES WE TALKED ABOUT, I JUST HAPPENED TO PULL ONE UP, YOU KNOW, OFF OF MY LIST. SO THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE. ONE EXAMPLE OF A HOUSE BEING TREATED THE SAME WAY WHERE THE BASEMENT IS INCLUDED IN IT. SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE WAY THE FINISHED BASEMENT IS BEING TREATED MAY NOT BE IDEAL, BUT IT HASN'T AN ERRONEOUS ASSESSMENT. AND TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, IT HASN'T LED TO SYSTEMATIC BIAS, AS THE GENTLEMAN MAY HAVE, MAY OR MAY NOT SUGGEST, MR. GOODMAN. SO UNLESS HE HAS THESE, THE ACTUAL SALE CONTRACT, YOU KNOW, HE DOESN'T KNOW IF PEOPLE THE BUYER PAID CASH OVER THE APPRAISED VALUE. SO HIS POINT IS MOOT UNLESS HE HAS THAT TO PRODUCE. AND THAT IS A VERY VALID POINT. ON ANYTHING THAT THEY TRY TO PULL UP A SALES PRICE BECAUSE THERE ARE CASH UNLESS THEY CAN. SO ALL OF THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE TRULY NEEDS TO TAKE THE TIME AND, AND GET PAID TO DO THIS. YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU GUYS HIRE A REALTOR WHO HAS MLS ACCESS AND GOES THROUGH IT, BUT THAT IS FAX THE HOME THAT HE JUST PULLED. I CAN'T SAY, BUT HE CAN'T SAY EITHER. BUT IN A FEW MINUTES, YOU KNOW, WE COULD FIND THAT OUT. WE DON'T KNOW IF IT APPRAISED. WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S UNDER APPRAISED. AND THE BUYER HAD TO BRING CASH TO COVER THE VALUE OF THE SALES PRICE. THIS IS FROM THE MLS. I GET IT. SO DOES IT HAVE ON THERE? BUT THE ORIGINAL LIST PRICE WAS 520. LET ME SWITCH. THAT'S OKAY. I MAKE A VERY, VERY VALID POINT ON THAT. WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MASS APPRAISAL AND AND FEE APPRAISAL. WHEN YOU GO TO, LET'S SAY YOU BORROW MONEY FROM THE BANK AND YOU GET A FEE APPRAISAL DONE ON YOUR SPECIFIC PROPERTY, [02:00:04] THERE'S A LASER FOCUS ON THAT PROPERTY AND ITS MARKET VALUE. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO DO THAT ACROSS THE WHOLE COUNTY FOR EVERY PARCEL OF PROPERTY. IT'S A MASS APPRAISAL SYSTEM, AND IT'S AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, STATISTICALLY, STATISTICALLY DRIVEN. TRYING TO DO THE BEST THEY CAN WITH A FEW PEOPLE OVER THOUSANDS OF PARCELS OF PROPERTY. YOU CAN'T GO OUT AND ACTUALLY DO A LASER FOCUSED APPRAISAL, AS YOU'RE MAYBE FAMILIAR WITH, WITH YOUR OWN PROPERTIES ACROSS THE WHOLE COUNTY. EACH AND EVERY SINGLE PARCEL. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. AND I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT WE SPENT $500,000 ON VISION, RIGHT? HOW MUCH COULD WE GET ON A DISCOUNT WITH APPRAISERS TO GO OUT AND KNOCK THIS OUT FOR US? I MEAN, COME ON, WE COULD HAVE SPENT 300 GRAND TO KNOCK OUT THE WHOLE COUNTY. SO YOU ARE RIGHT. IT'S JUST EXTRA WORK THAT NO ONE WANTED TO DO. THEY TRIED TO TAKE THE EASY WAY OUT. HIRE THIS COMPANY. AND IT'S. IT'S FAILED. IT'S AN IMPERFECT SYSTEM, BUT I BELIEVE THE SYSTEM. IT WORKS MOST OF THE TIME WHEN THINGS ARE SET UP CORRECTLY. YEAH. NO. FOR SURE. YES. IS THERE A PRICE FOR EVERY EVERY SYSTEM? I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A WAY TO IMPROVE. RIGHT. ANYTHING BUILT WITH HUMAN HANDS IS IMPERFECT. BUT THAT'S THE SYSTEM WE HAVE IN PLACE. UNDERSTAND? AND I AGREE WITH BOTH OF YOU, BUT WE'RE NOT HERE TO. NO. WE'RE GOOD. YEP. SO LET'S GET BACK ON TRACK A LITTLE BIT. HAS HIS VISIONS ON THE PHONE NOW? YEAH, AND WE HAVE IT HERE. HE'S. HE'S GONNA FIX IT. HOPEFULLY. CAN YOU. CAN Y'ALL HEAR US? YES, NOW WE CAN. OKAY. OH, GREAT. SHOW UP. THAT'S ALL. DID YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE ASKING? I DO, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET INTO THE SYSTEM TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. INTO THE DATABASE. HOLD MY MOUTH IN THE RIGHT WAY. I WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE TO THE OTHER PEOPLE TO BE FOLLOWING ON THE APPOINTMENTS. WE'RE HAVING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES THAT WE WILL GET TO YOU BEFORE THE LUNCH BREAK. THIS WAS ALL THAT I GOT ON IT. COME ON. I DON'T WANT THAT. THAT WAS THE. THAT WAS IN THIS PART WHICH I HAVE A. CAN YOU HEAR ME? I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE CODE OF THE RECORD. WHAT IS THE BASEMENT CODE? ONE OF THE LETTERS FOR THE BASEMENT CODE. IT'S F F B M F B M FBI SPACE. OKAY, I'M JUST GETTING INTO CHECKED OUT. AND YOU HAVE THE CORRECT PROPERTY. CORRECT. YOU CAN GIVE THAT TO ME AGAIN. I THINK WE HAD. IT'S 15 SOMETHING. FIVE. FIVE. FIVE. FIVE. PROPERTY IS 15201 JAMES RIVER DRIVE. MADAM CHAIRWOMAN? YES. SIR, IS YOUR OTHER COMPLAINT IN RELATION IN REGARD TO THE SAME OVERALL IDEA, OR IS THERE A SET OR SEPARATE COMPLAINT ON YOUR OTHER? UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S A DIFFERENT ONE. IS IT DIFFERENT? WELL, VISIONS IN THE SAKE OF TIME. WHILE VISION IS RESEARCHING. DO WE WANT TO HEAR HIS ARGUMENT ON THE OTHER ONE JUST FOR THE SAKE OF TIME? THE OTHER ONE SHOULD BE NOT AS. OKAY. WHAT IS THE COMPLICATED ADDRESS? COOL. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE 8011 MARBURG. THAT IS CORRECT. I ALSO HAVE AN 811018415 JAMES RIVER DRIVE. YEP. THAT ONE. WE'RE PUTTING THAT ON HOLD UNTIL. SO NOW WE'RE AT 8011 MARLBOROUGH AVENUE. YES. OKAY. AND ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE TAX RECORDS ARE SHOWING THAT YOU'RE ON PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER AND IT IS WELL, IN SEPTIC? CORRECT. DO YOU FEEL THAT THAT'S GOT A VALUE? HUGE VALUE, HUGE VALUE. BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO AND LOOK AT A PIECE OF LAND, IF IT HAS WATER AND SEWER, IT IS, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUMP A SEPTIC. IT'S, IT'S A IT'S A HUGE FACTOR WHEN IT COMES TO THE VALUE OF A HOME AND THE VALUE OF LAND. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I HAVE 18 415. JAMES RIVER DRIVE IS ONE ACRE. WELL AND SEPTIC. YOU GUYS GAVE ME 40,000 FOR THAT. SO YOU KNOW THE IT IT IS JUST A SMIDGEN. YOU KNOW, I FEEL DIFFERENT, EVEN IF IT'S 10% OR 15%. IF YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY THE FOUR PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE THERE ON THAT STREET, THAT'S YOU KNOW, IT JUST ADDS UP. SO I'M LOOKING AT YOUR APPEAL APPLICATION. [02:05:03] YOU'RE WANTING TO TAKE DOWN THE TOTAL ASSESSMENT ON 801 ONE TO FROM 243 TO 147 600. SO THEY THEY DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT ASPECT IF YOU DON'T MIND. THEY FIXED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. THEY THEY HAD ME AT OVER 2000FT². SO YOU KNOW THE RE MEASUREMENT THAT ERASED 300FT² ON MY HOUSE. SO NOW WHAT IS THE CURRENT ASSESSMENT ON THAT HOUSE? THEY DROPPED IT. CAN YOU. DO YOU HAVE THAT 2 TO 8. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 8011 MARBLE. YES. 8011. AFTER THE CHANGE, IT'S 230,400. AND THEN THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD DISPUTE THERE IS THE VALUE OF THE LAND. BECAUSE WE'RE. AND I DIDN'T KNOW AND I APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T DISCOVER THE WELLAND SEPTIC THING UNTIL THIS MORNING WHEN I WAS JUST. I WAS FINE. THAT'S FINE. YEAH. NO, BUT. SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING IF YOU KNOW, WHEN WHEN AN APPRAISER GOES OUT AND LOOKS AT AN ACRE OF LAND, IF IT'S, WELL, IN SEPTIC OR IF IT'S PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER, THE PRICE IS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEN YOU'VE GOT TO GET A PERC TEST. YOU GOT TO IT COULD. YEAH. THAT'S ALL. YEP. IS IT WHAT IS THE LAND ASSESSMENT NOW? IT IS $36,800. AND WHAT'S THE IMPROVEMENT? TOTAL IS 193 600, I BELIEVE. EIGHT ZERO. YOU CHANGE THE SCRIPT. RIGHT. I HAD IT LISTED. AT ONE TIME. I CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU. THAT'S SCARY. YEAH. IF I COULD ON THE THE WELL AND SEPTIC PUBLIC WATER. NORMALLY WE JUST LOOK AT IT AS IF IT'S A DWELLING THERE, IF IT HAS WATER OR SEWER. I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S SAYING ABOUT THE PUBLIC WATER. IT MIGHT MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF IT WAS A LARGE TRACT, YOU KNOW, ZONE MAYBE COMMERCIAL OR A BIG SUBDIVISION OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. WHERE ARE YOU? PUBLIC UTILITIES WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE VERSUS YOU'RE, WELL, IN SEPTIC. BUT FOR A HOUSE SETTING, A LOT WELL IN SEPTIC VERSUS PUBLIC SEWER. MOST TIMES THE SALES DON'T SHOW ANY DIFFERENCE AS FAR AS HOW THEY SELL. THERE'S USUALLY NEGLIGIBLE DIFFERENCE. YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS IT'S GOT A WELL, IN WELL-KNOWN SUBJECT, MOST PEOPLE AREN'T LOOKING. NOT BUYING SOMETHING BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE WATER AND PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER. JOHN, I'M NOT SURE. I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK FOR MICHIGAN, BUT THAT MAY HAVE PLAYED A PART IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD RATINGS. SO IF YOU'RE MAYBE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE IT'S MOSTLY WELL AND SEPTIC, THAT COULD HAVE AFFECTED A NEIGHBORHOOD RATING. SO YOU'LL MAKE A JUSTIFICATION RATE AND THAT COULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. WELL, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, BUT THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE RIGHT. AND I DON'T KNOW EITHER ON IT. ON. SO, MISTER GOODMAN, SINCE THEY'VE LOWERED IT TO 3400. BECAUSE OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. WHAT ARE YOU REQUESTING NOW? SO, YOU KNOW, I NOT TO UNFORTUNATELY DISAGREE WITH THEM, BUT WITHOUT A DOUBT, YOU HAVE CLIENTS THAT WILL NOT BUY WELL IN SEPTIC. I WORK FOR A BUILDER. I KNOW THAT IT'S WAY MORE MONEY TO BUILD A HOUSE ON WELL AND SEPTIC THAN WATER AND SEWER. IT COSTS WAY MORE IF HE WAS TO PULL COMPS UP ON SQUARE FOOTAGE. YOU PROBABLY ARE PAYING MORE OUT IN THE COUNTY ON WATER AND SEWER THAN IN THE CITY. SO, YOU KNOW, IT REQUIRES A LOT MORE MAINTENANCE. SO YEAH. SO MY, MY MY REQUEST IS THAT YOU KNOW, THE LAND USE AND IF WHY IS THERE A OPTION FOR SUBURBAN. WELL IN SEPTIC THAT'S SUBURBAN WELL AND SEPTIC. THERE'S AN OPTION FOR IT. I'M REQUESTING TO BE CHANGED TO THAT AND LET'S SEE IF IT ADJUSTS. I JUST DID IT. YES, SIR. IF YOU. OKAY. DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO CONFIRM IN MY MIND IF IT DID OR NOT. I DON'T THINK IT'S A DIRECT VALUATION THING. THIS IS MORE FOR LABELING THINGS. WHEN WE REPORT TO THE STATE THEY DO RATIO STUDIES. SO I JUST CHANGED IT. IF YOU CAN LOOK AT THE SCREEN WHERE IT SAYS SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL WELL ON SEPTIC I HIT RECALCULATE RIGHT THERE. THE LITTLE BUTTON. IT IS NOT CHANGING THE VALUE. SO IT'S NOT A DIRECT VALUATION DRIVER. AND LIKE HE WAS SAYING IT MAY BE IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FACTORS THAT ARE APPLIED WHICH SPEAKING OF WHICH, TECHNICALLY THAT IS A LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD OF FIVE HOMES AND ALL FIVE OF THEM ARE INCORRECT AND NEED TO BE ADJUSTED. AND SO, TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, HE'S SPEAKING OF A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS A LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD BACK THERE. THERE'S FIVE HOMES BACK THERE. SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IN THE LONG RUN AN ADJUSTMENT ON ALL FIVE, [02:10:05] WHICH MY MY PARENTS WILL ADDRESS IT. AND NOW WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE OTHER ONE TO HAVE THEM CHANGE IT. I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE THINGS. YOU SHOULD LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT YOU ARE POSSIBLY. HEY GUYS, I'M GOING TO DO SOME CHANGING UP HERE BEFORE YOU JUST DO IT. THAT'S TWICE NOW. YOU DID IT FOR THE PREVIOUS PEOPLE. THAT'S NOT COOL. I WOULD JUST SLOW DOWN A LITTLE AND LET US KNOW YOU'RE MAKING CHANGES. THE CHANGES CAN'T. CAN'T BE FINAL. IT'S OKAY. YOU KNOW? IT JUST DOES. IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD ON YOUR PART. IT'S MY OPINION. OPINIONS ARE LIKE. YOU KNOW WHAT? BUT I MAY HAVE MISSED SOMETHING HERE. YOU. YOU'RE ASKING FOR A CHANGE? NO, BUT HE'S HE'S. NO, NO, BUT HE'S IN THERE FIDDLING WITH IT. I DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS FIDDLING WITH IT. IT'S THE SECOND TIME THE YOUNG LADY IN THE MIDDLE ASKED HIM IF HE HAD MADE A CHANGE. I BELIEVE WHEN THE PREVIOUS PEOPLE WERE UP HERE UNAWARE. SO IF HE'S GOING TO BE MAKING CHANGES IN THE COMPUTER TO, LIKE, CHANGE NUMBERS, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW THAT THAT. HEY, MR. GOODMAN, WE'RE GOING TO BE MESSING WITH THE COMPUTER TO CHANGE IT. HE DID IT BEFORE I SAID ANYTHING. I JUST DON'T LIKE IT. THIS WHOLE THING JUST ISN'T GOOD. SO WHEN I HIT SAVE, A BOX POPS UP AND IT LITERALLY WILL NOT ACTUALLY SAVE TO THE DATABASE UNTIL I FILL IT OUT. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO THERE'S PROTECTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT WITH THIS THAT WE DON'T KNOW, RIGHT? WELL, THAT'S NONE OF OUR BUSINESS. YES, IT'S HIS RIGHT. SO IF YOU CHANGE THAT AND IT DIDN'T CHANGE THE VALUE, THAT IS FINE. BUT IF WE COULD PLEASE PULL UP MY OTHER PROPERTY ON MARLBOROUGH AVENUE, I APOLOGIZE. YEAH. NO. YOU'RE COOL. I'M SORRY. NO. IT'S OKAY. WE'VE ALREADY GOT. I DON'T WANT TO FRUSTRATE ANYONE, YOU KNOW. OKAY. 8011 MARLBOROUGH AVENUE. DO I HAVE A MOTION FROM THE BOARD? MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE CHANGES AS PRESENTED. THAT WE PUT THE VALUE AT 2400. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND DISCUSSION. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? OKAY. SO THE ASSESSMENT ON THAT WILL STAY AT TWO 3400. COOL. NOW IT'S SAFE. NOW LET'S GO BACK TO JAMES RIVER DRIVE. VISION STILL ON THE PHONE? I BELIEVE SO. OKAY. VISION. CAN YOU GUYS HEAR US? OKAY. ARE YOU SAYING THEY CAN HEAR US? OKAY. THEY HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. YEAH. WE CAN'T HEAR THEM AGAIN. HELLO? IS ANYONE THERE FROM VISION? HE'S SAYING THEY CAN HEAR YOU. SO MAYBE Y'ALL JUST TYPE YOUR ANSWER. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 15201 JAMES RIVER DRIVE. COULD THEY CALL IN? AND WE PUT THEM ON THE MICROPHONE SO AT LEAST WE CAN HEAR DIALOG. YES, I CAN TRY THAT. SO, WONDERFUL. MR. GOODMAN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. LOVE IS PATIENT. LOVE IS KIND. BE NICE. BE NICE. I AM SERIOUS. WE DO APOLOGIZE BECAUSE WE WERE FRUSTRATED, AS YOU ARE RIGHT NOW. WHAT IF WE WERE IN A COUNTRY WHERE I COULDN'T BE HERE? OKAY, SO. AND I AGREE WITH YOU 100% ON THAT. APPRECIATE THAT SENTIMENT. ABSOLUTELY. DOES IT WORK OUT TO BE AN AMERICAN? I THINK WE CAN HEAR US NOW. WE CAN HEAR YOU. YES, JOHN. YES. PRAISE THE LORD. OKAY, GREAT. THIS IS MICHAEL. EMMY. YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. MIKE. GO AHEAD. OKAY. YEAH, I DID CHECK THE TABLE. IT IS AT 100. THE FPM SHOULD BE LOWER, USUALLY 60 OR 70. HOWEVER, BECAUSE IT'S TABLE DRIVEN, IT IS AFFECTING ALL THE PROPERTIES SIMILARLY. AND LIKE, I THINK ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN SAID WAS CHECKING THE SALES AND TESTING THE SALES AGAINST THESE TABLES, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT WE USE. THE SALES, THEY WOULD HAVE ALL BEEN ADJUSTED TO THE SALES, WITH THAT ITEM BEING A LITTLE HIGHER, ALTHOUGH SHOULD BE A LITTLE LOWER. I CHECKED MOST OF THE OTHER ONES. THEY LOOKED IN SYNC. I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT ONE WAS THAT 100. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE LOWER, BUT I THINK, AGAIN, RECONCILING WITH THE SALES AND CONSISTENCY, I THINK THAT IT'S STILL ACCURATE IN THAT SENSE. [02:15:04] SO FROM WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING FROM YOU, MR. GOODMAN, YOU WANT TO ON JAMES RIVER DRIVE. YOU'RE WANTING TO PUT THAT ASSESSMENT BACK TO THE 2025 ASSESSMENT, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. OH 40 855 38 FIVE. I MAKE A MOTION THAT THE ASSESSMENT BE AT 538 FIVE. FOR 2026. DO I HAVE A SECOND? DO I HAVE A SECOND? THAT MOTION IS VOIDED NOW. DO I HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT THE ASSESSMENT OF 5789. THE PROPOSED ASSESSMENT STAYS. I BELIEVE WE'VE. WELL, THAT'S MY MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION THAT THE ASSESSMENT STAYS AT THE FIVE, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE? DO I HAVE A SECOND TO THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR. FIVE. SEVEN. EIGHT. NINE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? NO. SECOND. THAT MOTION IS NULL AND VOID. WHAT WAS THE ASSESSMENT IN 2023? BEAR WITH ME. WANT TO LOOK IT UP? YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT IN 2023? NO, NO. UNDER HENRY PARKER, IT WAS UNDER HENRY PARKER. YEAH, I THINK I HAVE 522 EIGHT. 22. EIGHT. 24 AND 25. WE'RE 538 FIVE. IF WE DO NOT GET A MOTION TO MAKE ANY CHANGES, WHAT DO WE DO? OKAY. HEARING NO MORE MOTIONS ON THE FLOOR CONCERNING THIS PROPERTY. ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOE? THE MOTION HAS FAILED, SO THE ASSESSMENT STAY STAYS AS STATED. OKAY. NOW, IS THERE ANOTHER ONE? YES. OKAY. WHAT IS THAT ONE? IT IS 8007 MARLBOROUGH. AND THAT IS NEEDS TO BE SWITCHED TO WELL. AND SEPTIC AND THEN THAT'S IT ON THAT ONE. OKAY. THE NEW ASSESSMENT ON THAT ONE FOR 2026, IS IT? 241 500. THEY HAVE THE LAND, THE BUILDING AT 198, OUTBUILDINGS AT 6700, LAND AT 36 EIGHT FOR A TOTAL VALUE OF 241 500. AND THEY DID ADJUST THAT ALREADY. THEY TOOK OFF THE IMAGINARY ADDED SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHICH IS GREAT. ADJUSTED IT DOWN TO FROM 243 6 TO 241. YEAH, WELL IT WASN'T IT WASN'T THAT BIG ON THAT ONE. AND YOU'RE SAYING YOU FEEL LIKE THE VALUE OF THE LAND SHOULD BE 25 100? I JUST THINK A LOT CHEAPER. IT'S WELL AND SEPTIC. AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE FINDING COMPS FOR ACRES OF LAND, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ACRE THAT JUST SOLD FOR 40 GRAND. WELL. AND SEPTIC. SO WHY ARE THEY CHARGING US 38 AND CHANGE OR 36? I APOLOGIZE. YOU KNOW, AND THEY PAID CASH, WHICH MEANS IT DIDN'T HAVE TO APPRAISE. IT WAS JUST A CASH PURCHASE. IT'S BASICALLY ASSESSED AS A HOME SITE BUILDING SITE. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WITH THE 40 GRAND. BUT IT'S IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S ONE ACRE. I'D SAY IF IT WAS 100,000, THAT MEANS AN ACRE AND A HALF WOULD BE 150,000. [02:20:02] IT'S BASICALLY A LOOKED AT AS A BUILDING SITE AND KIND OF DEPRECIATE IT FOR THE SIZE OR TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SIZE, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT OF IT FOR THE CHANGE. THAT'S WHY IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU MEANT TO 40,000 ON A FULL ACRE. ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COUNTY OR VISION. AND WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT 8007 MARLBOROUGH AVENUE. YEP. DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR? YES. 245. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT THE ASSESSMENTS STAY THE SAME. DO I HAVE A SECOND TO THE MOTION? SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSITION? ASSESSMENT ON THAT PROPERTY WILL STAY THE SAME AT 241 FIVE. OKAY. ANOTHER ONE? I DON'T THINK SO. I DON'T. JUST LASTLY, YOU'RE CHANGING LAND USES HERE. IT'S WHAT I'M SEEING, RIGHT? THERE IS THE WATER SEWER. WHAT IS HE CHANGING? I FILED FOR A LAND USE CHANGE BECAUSE MY FARM IS. OOPS. THE FARM IS WRONG ON THAT TOO. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF I'M ABLE TO HAVE THEM CHANGE THAT TO AGRICULTURE HERE. WE. WE CAN'T DO IT HERE. NO. WE'RE GOOD. I'LL WAIT FOR WHENEVER THEY SEND ME THE PAPER FOR THAT. OKAY, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. GOODMAN. THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT. WE'RE SORRY FOR ALL THE INTERRUPTIONS. NO, IT'S BEEN MY PLEASURE. AND MY PARENTS WILL BE HERE TOMORROW. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SIR. THANK YOU. TAKE CARE. THANK YOU, AND GOD BLESS. THANKS. SAME TO YOU. NORWOOD. WILSON. HI, MR. WILSON. AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE LATENESS, BUT WE HAD SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES. I'M A CONTRACTOR. I'VE BEEN LATE ALL MY LIFE. IT'S REALLY COUNTY HAS FUN. THE COUNTY HAS BEEN SWORN IN. IF YOU'LL RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, PLEASE GIVE US YOUR FULL NAME. NORWOOD. WILLIAMS. WILSON THE THIRD. MR. WILSON, DO YOU SWEAR OR PROMISE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH TODAY UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY? I DO, ALRIGHT, SIR. YOU GOT FIVE MINUTES. OKAY. DO Y'ALL HAVE A PICTURE OF IT? DO YOU WANT A PICTURE OF IT? I'D LIKE TO SEE A PICTURE OF IT. OKAY. OH, GOD. I GOT THAT FOR Y'ALL. AND. THE PROPERTY. HE'S RIGHT THERE. THANK YOU. HERE'S SOME PICTURES OF IT. ESSENTIALLY, IT'S AN APPENDAGE LEFT OVER FROM MY PARENTS LOT AND HOUSE. THE ROAD THE STATE MAINTAINED ROAD ENDS AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROPERTY. THEN A ROAD GOES INTO COGGINS POINT. THAT IS PART OF THIS PROPERTY. THERE'S ALSO THE OLD ROAD THAT WAS THE ACCESS FOR COGGINS POINT. INCLUDED IN THAT IS A TELEPHONE EASEMENT. AND THEN THE PROPERTY IS BISECTED BY A CO-OP RIGHT OF WAY POWER LINE. SO IT'S 1.7 ACRES. WHEN YOU ADD UP ALL OF THE EASEMENTS, IT GETS YOU DOWN TO ABOUT 1.2. THERE'S SOME PICTURES IN THERE THAT KIND OF SHOW. IT'S BASICALLY A WETLAND. HAS CYPRESS TREES, MAPLE TREES. THERE'S A COUPLE PICTURES IN THERE THAT ARE ACTUALLY SHOWING PIPES BECAUSE THERE'S A PROBABLY DRAINS A WATERSHED AREA OF 15 TO 20 ACRES BETWEEN THAT AND POWELLS CREEK. AND IT ALL COMES THROUGH THERE AND THEN FLOWS UNDERNEATH THE ROADS AND GOES OVER TO A WETLAND ADJACENT TO ENOCH'S POND. SO THROUGH THE YEARS, I HAD, YOU KNOW, BEEN TO THE ASSESSOR AND IT WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK DOWN. AND THEN WHEN THE NEW ASSESSMENTS WOULD COME OUT, IT'S TREATED AS, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IT'S 1.7 ACRES AND YOU KIND OF EXTRAPOLATE THAT COMPARED TO A FIVE ACRE LOT. AND I THINK THEY HAVE IT AT 31,000 OR SOMETHING. [02:25:03] 31,000. YEAH. SO I WAS ASKING IT TO BE BROUGHT DOWN TO SIX BECAUSE IT REALLY HAS HAS NO VALUE. SO YOU'RE SAYING IF I CAN JUST ASK, THERE'S NO PART OF THAT PROPERTY THAT YOU CAN BUILD ON? NO, BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO CLOSE. YOU'RE TOO CLOSE TO. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GET ANY OFFSETS THAT YOU NEED ON IT. ALSO, THAT DRAINAGE COMES DEAD THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT. SO AND I'M SURE IT WOULD BE DESIGNATED IF I HAD TO TO GO THROUGH AN ENGINEER AND GET IT DESIGNATED AS WETLANDS. IT'S GOT THE IT'S GOT THE VEGETATION, PROBABLY HAS A HYDRO SOILS AND, YOU KNOW, WAY IT RAINS AROUND HERE, IT'S IT'S WET WAY MORE THAN IT'S DRY. SO COUNTY VISION HE'S PROBABLY GOT A GOOD POINT ON THAT. AND I DON'T HAVE THIS. I'M TRYING TO LOCATE IT. I DON'T HAVE THAT FILE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT WITH WHAT HE'S SAYING AND NO NATURE OF THIS TYPE PROPERTY. PROBABLY SOME REDUCTION SHOULD BE GIVEN WHAT WE SEE. YES. JOHN, CAN CAN Y'ALL HEAR US ON THE LINE, GUYS? YEAH. THERE'S A NOTE IN HERE. WE HAD WE HAD LOOKED AT THE LAYERS FOR WETLANDS AND WE DIDN'T. THERE WAS NO WETLANDS SHOWING ON THE ACTUAL LOT. NOW, THAT COULD BE WRONG IF GIS IS WRONG, BUT WE DIDN'T SEE IT ON THE LAYERS. BUT THEY DID MAKE A 50% RESTRICTIVE EASEMENT ADJUSTMENT ON IT SO THAT YOU GOT A PRETTY GOOD REDUCTION ON THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, THE MAP, IT SHOWS UP. WHAT DO YOU ALL HAVE, THE EASEMENT IN THE COUNTY? WE MEAN, WHAT DO Y'ALL HAVE, THE 50%? WE HAVE A 50% REDUCTION. AND I'LL SHOW IT ON YOUR SCREEN. I'M SWITCHING TO IT NOW. RIGHT NOW IT'S AT A 50% REDUCTION. AND THERE'S NO WETLANDS, LIKE HE WAS SAYING ON THE LOT. WITHOUT EVER SEEING THE LAND MYSELF. RIGHT HERE. THE WETLANDS AREA. IT SHOWS UP ON THE OTHER MAP. BETTER THAN. BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT'S WHERE AS CLOSE WHAT I CAN SEE. THE ONLY OTHER THING I THINK THAT 50% RESTRICTIVE MAYBE, MAYBE A SHAPE BECAUSE IT IS IT IS KIND OF AN ODD, AN ODD SHAPE. PEOPLE LAND. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN SEE. I KNOW WHAT WAS WHAT WAS THE ASSESSMENT IN 24 AND 25? ALL RIGHT. 31 AND 22 WAS 23, AND IT WAS 31,023. 31. SIX. YEAH. AND IT HAS NOT BEEN SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER THAN THAT FOR MANY YEARS. LET ME SEE. SO SINCE 23, IT'S BEEN 31. SIX. YES, MA'AM. YOU HAVE NOT RAISED THE VALUE AT ALL FOR 26. YEAH. GOING BACK TO LIKE 2016, IT WAS 21,000. AND THEN IT BUMPED UP TO 23 AND THEN 31 EVENTUALLY. YES. SO THAT WAS IN 23. YES, MA'AM. 31. SIX. YEAH. THAT'S RIVERFRONT. RIGHT? NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I'M GOING TO LOOK LIKE FROM THE MAP. WELL, THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE WITH A PARCEL THAT IT CAME OFF OF WAS. AND THEN THEY RAN A ROAD THROUGH IT, YOU KNOW, COGGINS POINT, AND IT CUT THIS OTHER LITTLE PIECE OFF OF IT. AND THEN EVENTUALLY I, I ENDED UP I ENDED UP WITH IT. BUT NO, NO, NOT. I'LL SELL IT TO YOU. UNDER THOSE ASSUMPTIONS, I WAS GONNA SAVE HIS RIVERFRONT. I'LL MAKE YOU AN OFFER FOR THAT PRICE. BUT FROM WHAT I HAVE ON, VISION SENT OUT THEIR REASSESSMENT NOTICE. THEY HAD 45 THREE, AND THEN IT DROPPED TO 37 TO 7. WELL, I DON'T DOUBT. I DON'T DOUBT THAT, BUT I JUST THINK WE'RE AT TOO HIGH OF A STARTING POINT FOR WHAT THIS IS. LIKE I SAID, THE THE THE SOUTH SIDE CO-OP EASEMENT COMES RIGHT THROUGH THE RIGHT THROUGH THE CENTER OF IT AND BISECTS IT. AND I TRIED TO BRING PAUL BROWN HERE WITH ME, BUT HE WOULD NOT COME. SO SO THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. BUT I MEAN, IT'S BISECTED BY THAT. AND WHEN YOU OFFSET, I THINK THAT'S A 25 FOOT EASEMENT THAT THAT YOU GOT TO STAY AWAY FROM THAT. SO THERE'S REALLY NOWHERE ON ANYWHERE IN HERE THAT YOU CAN SITUATE A HOUSE. [02:30:01] ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? HOW MUCH ACREAGE? IT'S ONE. IT'S ONE. IT'S 1.7. OKAY. BUT LIKE I SAID, IF YOU TAKE OUT THE THE HARD SURFACE ROAD IS PART OF IT. AND THAT'S LIKE 400 IN SOME FEET WITH PROBABLY LIKE A 50 FOOT. I THINK IT'S A 50 FOOT EASEMENT COMING THROUGH THERE. SO IT'S THAT'S INCLUSIVE IN IT. THE OLD ROAD IS INCLUSIVE IN, IN THE 1.7 THAT HAS THE THE TELEPHONE CABLE IN IT. AND THEN THE POWER LINE COMES THROUGH THE BISECTS IT THE OTHER WAY. MR. WILSON, WHAT IS YOUR WHAT IS YOUR INTENTION FOR THE PROPERTY? WHAT IS YOUR PURPOSE FOR IT? PROBABLY TO GET BURIED ON IT, BUT BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, THAT'S THE AND THAT'S NOT A GOOD USE. BUT I COULD EITHER PROBABLY TRY AND JOIN IT BACK TO COGGINS POINT FARM, WHICH IS WHERE IT CAME FROM. OTHER. OTHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS CAME OUT OF A SETTLEMENT FROM AN ESTATE. AND THAT'S HOW I ENDED UP, ENDED UP WITH IT. SO SO, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOT ANYTHING. GROW SOME TREES AND, AND LOOK AT IT AND GET THOSE THINGS IN THE MAIL FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO CLOSE IN TEN DAYS AND BUY IT. YEAH. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S IT. YEP. THAT'S THAT'S IT. BUT I COULD I'M SURE I COULD HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, DESIGNATED AS, YOU KNOW, WETLANDS IF I WANT TO GO THE EXPENSE OF HAVING AN ENGINEER. BUT THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT CHEAP EITHER. BUT AS YOU SEE THOSE TWO PIPES IN THAT PICTURE, LIKE I SAID, IT DRAINS. DRAINS YOU KNOW, 15 OR 20 ACRES STRAIGHT THROUGH IT. WHICH INCH OF RAIN ON AN ACRE IS 27,000 GALLONS. SO WHEN YOU START MULTIPLYING IT, THERE'S TIMES THAT THERE'S A SHEET FLOW BESIDE THE STREAM FLOW OF 6 OR 8IN OF WATER. YEAH. AND I KNOW THESE GUYS CAN'T GO OUT AND LOOK AT EVERY PIECE. I'M JUST BRINGING MINE TO THE FOREFRONT. WHAT DO YOU THINK? HERE IT IS. YOU SAY THERE THE THE PIPE PIPES ARE IN THE GROUND. YEAH. THEY IT. IT COMES IN AND THEN IT GOES UNDERNEATH THE ROAD. BUT IT ALL COMES. AND THEN THE ROAD THAT THAT GOES INTO COGGINS POINT DAMS ALL OF THAT WATER AND THEN TURNS IT AND IT HAS TO GO IN A PIPE AND GO UNDERNEATH THE ROAD AND GO TOWARDS ENOCH'S POND. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION? ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COUNTY? WE'RE STILL DEALING WITH TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, BUT I ASKED MR. TORELLO THE TEXT, WHAT? YOU CAN SEE IF HE RECOMMENDED. IT'S UNSUITABLE FOR BUILDING. HE SAYS THAT IT APPEARS THAT IT'S UNBELIEVABLE, BUT USUALLY LIKE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF SUPPORT TO TO REALLY GIVE IT A CHANGE, YOU KNOW, SO IT DOES FACE SUBSTANTIAL DIFFICULTIES WITH THE BUILDING, AS THE GENTLEMAN SAID IT HAS ON IT. ALL RIGHT. NOW A 50% REDUCTION FOR RESTRICTIVE EASEMENTS. WHETHER IT NEEDS MORE, YOU KNOW. WITHOUT WITHOUT KNOWING FOR SURE THAT IT CAN'T BE BUILT UPON. I MEAN, IT'S GOT THE POWER LINES. IT'S GOT A WEIRD SHAPE. I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO ADDING SOME MORE DEPRECIATION TO IT. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A REAL DESIRABLE LOT. SO MAYBE DEPRECIATION OR ADJUSTMENT ADJUSTMENTS TO LANE INFLUENCE FACTORS IS THE PROPER TERM RIGHT. SO IF YOU WERE IF YOU WERE TO REDUCE ANOTHER 20% FOR SHAPE, IT WOULD COME TO 30,500. WHICH IS JUST UNDER THE SAME WHICH IT HAS BEEN FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. AND THEN IF HE, IF HE EVER HAD LIKE A PERK TESTED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR, YOU KNOW, HAD SOME HARD CONCRETE SAYING, YOU COULD NEVER BUILD ON IT, RIGHT THEN WE WOULD DEFINITELY CONSIDER THAT AS WELL. GO BACK AND ADD THE VALUE TO IT FOR THE BUILDING SITE OR HOME SITE. THEN THEN WHAT WOULD IT BE WORTH? IF IF IF IF IF IT WAS TO BE SHOWN THAT IT COULD NOT BE BUILT ON. AND WHAT IS WHAT IS THE NUMBER THAT Y'ALL PLACE PLAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON AIR. I KNOW THERE IS A CODE FOR UNSUITABLE FOR BUILDING, AND I BELIEVE IF WE WERE TO CHANGE IT TO THAT IT WOULD BE LIKE LESS THAN 15,000 OR [02:35:01] SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. I'D HAVE TO CHANGE THE CODE. I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT ALL THAT FAMILIAR WITH THE CODING PRIMARY. MAYBE MAYBE WE COULD GO WITH WHAT A BANK WOULD LEND US ON THIS. MR. CRAWFORD? INDEED. SO IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THE NON DEVELOPMENT AND GET RID OF THE ADJUSTMENTS, IT WOULD PRICE OUT AT LIKE $35,400. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NECESSARILY LIKE HOW VISION WOULD RECOMMEND. SO. I'M THINKING OF SOME SORT OF A REDUCTION FOR HIM, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 20 AND VALUE BEING, BUT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE 23,000 IT USED TO BE, AND THE 31,000 THAT IT IS TODAY. WHAT ARE YOU GUYS THINKING? AND THEN I THINK HE COULD TALK WITH THE COUNTY AFTER HE. IF HE GOT THE WETLANDS DELINEATED. THAT WOULD SAVE HIM A TON OF MONEY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S COST. SO MAYBE. CAN JASON, CAN YOU COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S REASONABLE, A SHAPE ADJUSTMENT OR SOME SORT OF ADDITIONAL. YES, REDUCTION DISCOUNT, WHATEVER WE WANT TO CALL IT, TO GET BELOW THE 31,000. IF WE WERE TO GIVE IT AN ADDITIONAL 25% REDUCTION FOR SHAPE, THE VALUE WOULD CONCLUDE THAT HOLD UP. THE $8,700. I DON'T THINK THAT'S TOO MUCH. ACTUALLY, LET ME DO IT TO BOTH. BECAUSE IT HAS TWO LINES. OH 28 300 THE 23,000 THAT IT WAS. 23. IT WAS AT 31. SIX. CORRECT. YES. 22. IT WAS AT 23,000. 23. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S PLENTY. OKAY. DO MORE OF A SHAPE ADJUSTMENT, YOU SAID. LET'S DO 50%. WELL, YOU GOT IT. A ROAD AND THEN YOU GOT A POWERLINE POWERLINE EASEMENT, AS WELL AS A DRAINAGE EASEMENT IN IT AS WELL. A LOT OF EASEMENTS SET OUT THE GUIDELINE AND LET HIM FIGURE WHAT ADJUSTMENTS NEED TO BE TO GET IT THERE. SO HE'S GOT. SO YOU LIKE 23,000 IS WHAT YOU'RE. WELL WE HAVEN'T WE DON'T HAVE THAT MOTION ON THE FLOOR YET OKAY. YOU MIGHT. IT'S LIKELY. LET'S SEE WHERE YOU'RE COMING AT ON THE ADJUSTMENTS WE JUST SPOKE ABOUT. ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE THE OPTION OF BRINGING FORTH MORE INFORMATION TO THEM, OR. WE GOT THIS AS TODAY. YOU CAN. YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE NOT SATISFIED WITH OUR PROCEEDING, WE HAVE TO ALWAYS GO TO CIRCUIT COURT. YEAH. YOU HAVE TO ACT ON WHAT YOU BROUGHT TO US TODAY. AND IF YOU'RE NOT HAPPY WITH WHAT WE SAY, THEN YOU GO TO CIRCUIT COURT. OKAY. IN THE FUTURE OR IN THE FUTURE? YEAH. YOU CAN GET YOUR ENGINEER. YOU CAN GET WHATEVER YOU NEED. THAT'S FINE. I WAS HOPING, YOU KNOW, NOT TO GO THROUGH ALL THAT. I KNOW, YEAH. DON'T BLAME YOU BY APPLYING A., ADJUSTING FOR THE POWER LINE 20%, AND FOR THE SHAPE 25%, IT COMES TO $22,600. THAT'S BETTER. AND THAT'S. YEAH, THAT'S BACK TO WHERE WE WERE IN 2022. YEAH. BELOW WHERE WE WERE A LITTLE BIT BELOW. DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR MISTER WILSON'S. LOT 22 SIX IS WHAT JASON SAID. YEAH. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS, AS JASON STATED, TO GET US DOWN TO 22 SIX. I BELIEVE THAT'S A MORE REASONABLE VALUE FOR THIS PROPERTY. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE AYE. ANY OPPOSITION? MR. WILSON, WE DO SUGGEST THAT YOU TRY TO GO GET YOUR ENGINEERS AND EVERYONE TOGETHER, AND MAYBE YOU CAN BEAT THAT NEXT YEAR. THAT'S FINE. I'LL MAY EVEN SEND IT BACK TO COGGINS POINT. AND THEN IT'S JUST PART OF A LARGER. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. MATTHEW AND PATRICIA. AND I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO TRY TO PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME, BECAUSE I WILL MAKE A MESS OF IT. [02:40:07] BOCA. OH, BOCA. OKAY. I'M SORRY WE'RE RUNNING LATE, BUT WE'VE HAD SOME PROBLEMS THIS MORNING, SO I NEED YOU TO. ALL THE COUNTY OFFICIALS HAS BEEN SWORN IT'S GOING TO BE SPEAKING. I NEED YOU TO RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. PLEASE STATE YOUR FULL NAME. PATRICIA AND OCEAN. DO YOU SWEAR OR PROMISE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH TODAY UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY? ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, SO WE JUST BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY THIS YEAR AT 13 09D GRAVEL ROAD. WE HAD IT APPRAISED. THE APPRAISAL WAS 265. AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE COUNTY HAS IT FOR 2026. FOR 300, FOR 900. SO WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR THAT TO BE REDUCED TO THE APPRAISED VALUE. SHE ALSO PROVIDED A COPY OF THE APPRAISAL. WHEN WAS THAT APPRAISAL JUST THAT WAS DONE THIS YEAR. LAST YEAR. AREA OF THIS YEAR. JANUARY. DID THE APPRAISAL IF I'M REMEMBERING THE CORRECT? YES. WHAT DID YOU SAY? THE COUNTY HAS IT. IT LOOKS LIKE FOR 2026 IT SAYS 304 900. AND WHAT WAS THE APPRAISAL FOR? 265? I MEAN, WHAT WAS THE REFINANCE OR DID YOU BUY IT OR PURCHASE OR PURCHASE NEW PURCHASE? MA'AM, DID YOU BRING THE APPRAISAL DOWN AND SHOW IT TO THE FOLKS FROM VISION? I HAVEN'T HERE TODAY AND I DID SUBMIT IT WITH THE EMAIL. I BELIEVE WE HAVE A COPY IN OUR FOLDERS. YEAH, IT'S IT'S HERE. I CAN PUT I CAN PUT IT ON THE SCREEN IF YOU WANT. THERE IT IS. IN THE BASEMENT. YEAH, YEAH. I LOOKED AT THIS YESTERDAY. SHE BOUGHT IT FOR WHAT SHE BOUGHT IT FOR. BUT THE ONLY EXCEPTION IS THE APPRAISER USED HOUSES THAT WERE ALL SUBSTANTIALLY OLDER. LIKE, ACROSS THE BOARD. HER HOUSE IS 19 YEARS OLD. THEY USED ONE THAT WAS 52 YEARS OLD. 50 YEARS OLD, 54 YEARS OLD, AND THE SALE WAS 40 AND LISTING AT 45 YEARS OLD. BUT THEY MADE ADJUSTMENTS ON THE AGE. $1,000. I'M NOT DOING A TECHNICAL REVIEW, BUT YEAH, YOU WOULD WANT TO BRACKET AGE. SO IT'S IT'S LIKE THAT BASEMENT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IT'S SUSPECT. I CAN'T SAY IT'S WRONG, BUT I SUSPECT THIS APPRAISAL WAS FOR THE PURCHASE OF THIS PROPERTY FOR YOU. CORRECT? YES. WHAT WAS THE PURCHASE PRICE? WE BOUGHT IT FOR 250. OKAY. SO THEY WEREN'T TARGETING THE SALE PRICE. SALES PRICE HERE SHOWS 260. WE GOT IT REDUCED BECAUSE THE SEPTIC NEEDED TO BE REPAIRED. AND THE THE SELLERS DECIDED NOT TO DO THE SEPTIC, SO WE KNOCKED 15,000 OFF OF IT, OR I GUESS TECHNICALLY WAS 10,000 TO REPAIR THE SUBJECT. OKAY. OKAY. SO YOU BOUGHT IT THROUGH A REALTOR? I MEAN, IT WAS AN ARM'S LENGTH TRANSACTION. TRANSACTION? YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. GOT IT. THAT'S GOOD. I KNOW, THAT'S A SOLID BROKERAGE. AND. IT WAS BUILT IN WINDOWS. SO I HAVE I DON'T KNOW, I DIDN'T ASK FOR. BUILT IN 2006. MADAM CHAIR. YES. I THINK JASON'S WAITING IN YOUR DIRECTION. I'M SORRY. JASON. I HAVE. I HAVE IN FRONT OF US ON THE SCREEN. SALES THAT I WENT BACK. AND THESE ARE SALES GOING BACK TO 2018 THAT ARE TIME ADJUSTED. AND IF YOU LOOK AT HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT IN THE 2000, FROM 2000 TO 2006, ACROSS THE COUNTY, OF COURSE, 523 SALES THAT THE ASSESSMENT RESULTS BE. COMPARE THAT TO THE SALE PRICE THAT'S BEEN ADJUSTED FOR TIME ENDED UP BEING 89%. SO RIGHT. RIGHT ON THE MONEY. EVEN A LITTLE BIT OF A LITTLE BIT LOW. [02:45:02] AND THEN HER HOUSE IS GRADED AS A C PLUS. SO WE HAVE ONE, WE HAVE 523 SALES THAT ARE SAYING THAT HOUSE IS BETWEEN 2000 AND 2010 ARE ASSESSED CORRECTLY OR IN THE BALLPARK. AND THEN IF YOU WERE TO GO AND CHANGE THIS, LET ME ADD THE GRADE. REAL QUICK IF I CAN. QUALITY RATING. IF YOU DO SEE. PLUS WE HAVE ANOTHER 500. YOU KNOW, 75 SALES THAT ARE JUST C GRADE, THAT ARE ALL SAYING 87%, YOU KNOW. SO WE HAVE ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, SHE CAN HANG HER HAT ON THE ONE SALE WHERE SHE PURCHASED IT. WE WE HAVE OTHER EVIDENCE THAT WOULD TEND TO SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE ASSESSMENTS REASONABLE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, WE JUST GOT ONE. MA'AM, DO YOU KNOW THE DETAILS OF THE SALE ITSELF? IT WASN'T A DIVORCE CASE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT OR FINANCIAL. I DON'T PROBLEMS. I THINK THEY JUST MOVED TO FLORIDA AND THEY WERE SELLING THEIR HOME. I WILL TELL YOU, IN JANUARY, THERE WEREN'T A WHOLE LOT OF SALES TO GO BUY IT. I DON'T SEE WHY HE USED OLDER SALES. I MEAN, IT WAS TOUGH. OKAY. WE HAD MORE SNOW AROUND THAT TIME THAN WE. YEAH, WELL, I THINK SOME OF THE PICTURES YOU HAVE SNOW. YEAH. THE PICTURES. JOSEPH. APPRAISAL WAS FOR 265 265. THE HOUSE WAS ON THE MARKET I THINK FOR 265. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE LIST PRICE WAS ON THE HOUSE. 265 265. AND YOU GOT IT FOR 250. OKAY. WELL SHE GOT THE SEPTIC, BUT SHE HAD TO PUT ON A NEW SEPTIC. CORRECT. OKAY. SO WHAT'S THE ASSESSMENT? WHAT IS THE DOLLAR THAT Y'ALL WANT? THE COUNTY WANTS TO THROW. 3049 OKAY, I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THAT. AND IT WENT UP WITH 80,000 FROM THE 25. I SEE UP 80,000 FROM THE 25 ASSESSMENT. IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME THAT THERE'S A LOT OF EVIDENCE POINTING TO THE 250 TO 265 RANGE. YEAH, I AGREE. NOT AS MUCH EVIDENCE POINTING AT 304. YEAH I AGREE. ANY MOTION'S ON THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION. I MAKE A MOTION THAT THE ASSESSMENT BE REDUCED TO 265. ACCORDING TO THE APPRAISAL ON WHEN THEY PURCHASED THE HOUSE. I'LL SECOND TO ANY DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE AYE. ANY OPPOSITION? MA'AM, WE'VE REDUCED YOUR ASSESSMENT TO 265. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. CONNIE WILL BE MAKING THOSE ADJUSTMENTS ON YOUR RECORD. OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM. I'LL SAY THAT, MADAM. WILL BE ADJOURNING FOR LUNCH BREAK. WILL RECONVENE AT APPROXIMATELY 115. I'M USUALLY EARLY. I'D LIKE TO RECONVENE THE SESSION OF THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION. WE HAD A LUNCH BREAK. HOPE EVERYBODY IS READY TO FINISH THE REST OF THIS DAY OUT. I BELIEVE EVERYONE HERE FOR THE COUNTY AND FOR VISION HAS BEEN SWORN IN, SO WE WON'T GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN. OUR FIRST CASE THIS AFTERNOON WILL BE COURTNEY BROCKWELL AND LAWRENCE BROCKWELL. PLEASE COME FORWARD. HELLO, EVERYBODY. HOW ARE YOU ALL DOING? GOOD. HOW ABOUT YOU? I KNOW Y'ALL UP THERE. THIS IS MY DAUGHTER, COURTNEY BROCKWELL. I NEED YOU BOTH TO RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. THESE ARE MINE. JUST WENT BLANK. PLEASE GIVE US YOUR FULL NAME, PLEASE. COURTNEY. ALEXANDER. BROCKWELL. MORTON. BROCKWELL JUNIOR. DO YOU SWEAR OR PROMISE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH TODAY UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY? OKAY. COURTNEY, I BELIEVE YOUR CASE IS FIRST, SO. SEE, YOU ONLY WANT TO REDUCE YOUR LAND VALUE. [02:50:03] WELL. I DID THE WRITING. OKAY. SHE WAS AT WORK. SO BASICALLY I DID PUT DOWN LAND, BUT I'VE GONE ON THE WEBSITE AND I STARTED CHECKING OUT DIFFERENT PROPERTIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND THE MORE THAT I LOOK AT IT, THE MORE I SEE JUST ALL OVER THE PLACE. AND A LOT OF THE HOMES AROUND OUR PROPERTY IS BASICALLY EITHER THEY'RE GOING UP OR THEY'RE BEING REDUCED. AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT AS MUCH AS I DID WHEN I LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY AS LAND. SO BASICALLY WHAT I DID AND I KNOW I'M GOING A LITTLE BIT TOO FAR, BUT WHEN I STARTED LOOKING AT I COULD SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN PRICING ABOVE. SO I KNOW I PUT DOWN ONLY, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE WHOLE NINE YARDS. IF Y'ALL ACCEPT THAT. WHAT IS THE CURRENT ASSESSMENT ON THIS PROPERTY? 3031 SEE THE VISION HAD REDUCED IT FROM 321 FIVE 5 TO 3 031 OKAY ON HERS. Y'ALL GOT THE LATEST 13031 ALL RIGHT. YES I GOT. WELL I'VE GOT 302 300. YEAH. 300 302 353 50. HERITAGE ROAD IS 302 300. YES, THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT. THREE OH WHAT. 302 300. I HAVE A STATEMENT HERE FROM VISION SAYING THEY TOOK IT DOWN TO 303 100. SO WHICH IS CORRECT. OKAY. BECAUSE THIS WAS THE LAST ONE WE GOT. AND ON THE TOP OF THIS ONE IT SAYS CHANGE OF ASSESSMENT. IT DOESN'T DO LIKE MINE. MINE SAYS FINAL. HERS DOESN'T SAY FINAL. THE LAST ONE THAT WE GOT IN THE MAIL. OKAY. IN THE COMPUTER SYSTEM, IT'S 300 TO 300. THAT'S ON YOUR SCREEN. UP HERE IN BOLD. THAT'S FROM FROM TALKING WITH VISION. THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT ARE THE THE LATEST, GREATEST FINAL. MADAM CHAIRWOMAN. OKAY, ERIC. THERE'S AN EMAIL IN OUR PACKET FROM VISION WITH AN ADDITIONAL $800 REDUCTION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR HERE. OKAY. JOHN. MARTY. SO YOU'RE SAYING THE LAND AS WELL AS THE BUILDING? YES. OKAY. COUNTY VISION IS VISION ON THE PHONE WITH US. I'M HERE. I'M NOT REALLY SURE. WHAT. WHAT ARE YOU ASKING ME? DO YOU WANT THE VALUE OF IT CURRENTLY OR. YES. THEY'RE WANTING TO REDUCE THE VALUE OF BOTH THE IMPROVEMENTS AND THE LAND. WE'LL START WITH THE BUILDINGS. HOW HOW WAS THE HOUSE? 1980. YOU KNOW, I FORGOT MY GLASS, I GOT HER. ON HERE. HAVE YOU DONE THE UPDATING ON THE INTERIOR? ON THE INTERIOR? YES, SIR. YOU KNOW, REMODELING OR IT'S STILL DATED, IF YOU WILL. YES. WE HAVE SOME REMODELED BATHROOMS, KITCHENS, PARTICULARLY ANY. WE'VE DONE SOME UPDATING THERE. WELL, IF YOU WANT TO GET INTO THAT THE HOUSE WAS SOLD TO MY DAUGHTER FROM MY SISTER AND I BECAUSE IT WAS MY MOM'S HOUSE. EXCUSE ME. AND COULD YOU SPEAK INTO THE MIC, PLEASE? OH. I'M SORRY. AND BASICALLY, WE'VE DONE SOME RENOVATION IN THE HOUSE. WHEN WAS IT BUILT? DO YOU KNOW? 1989 1989? OKAY. NO, THAT'S NOT CORRECT. WHAT DID YOU DO THAT AT 1986? 80? YEAH, THAT'S NOT RIGHT. OKAY. 87. YEAH. BUILT 1980, 1986. I THOUGHT IT WAS BUILT IN 1986. YEAH, THAT'D BE RIGHT. AND WHAT WHAT? BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE PERCENTAGE STARTING OFF. THE FIRST ASSESSMENT WE GOT WAS 51%. NOW. THAT TO ME, IS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF RIDICULOUS IN A WAY OF GOING UP THAT MUCH. [02:55:09] AND. WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON WITH THE HOUSE. I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIG PERCENT. I KNOW THEY, THEY, THEY BROUGHT IT DOWN. AND OUR LAST ONE IS WHAT, 40, 42, 42 AND THEN I GO IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I LOOK AT. THERE NOTHING. Y'ALL HEAR ME NOW. AND WHY WHY IN THAT AREA RIGHT THERE THAT WE GOT THAT BIGGER PERCENTAGE. SHE'S 51. I WAS 32. ARE YOU SAYING COMPARED TO YOUR NEIGHBORS? IT WAS A LOT HIGHER INCREASE. OKAY. YES. AND I STARTED DOING RESEARCH ON IT AND LOOKING AND GOING ALL THROUGH THE COUNTY AND ALL DOWN MY ROAD, AND I'M SEEING STUFF. THAT'S 30, $30,000 CHEAPER ON THE SAME AMOUNT, LAND AND ROAD FRONTAGE. AND THEN I SEE HOUSES THAT'S BUILT WITH FOUR AND $500,000 HOUSES THAT ARE GOING DOWN. BUT MY LITTLE 1500 TO 1700 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE IS TAKEN OFF. SO WHY WHY ARE WE LOOKING AT LIKE THE BIGGER HOUSE, THE BIGGER LAND YOU'RE YOU'RE GETTING THE DISCOUNTS OR YOU'RE GETTING. I CAN SHOW YOU FIVE ACRE LOTS. THAT'S ONLY WORTH 12,000 MORE THAN MY 1.6 OR HERS 1.5. SO THE SMALLER OF THE LOTS IS TAKEN TO BLUNT. IN THIS COUNTY THE BIGGER LOTS. ARE GETTING. I MEAN, I COULD SEE I KNOW ONE LOT THAT'S $30,000 CHEAPER AND IT HITS A 1.3 AND MINE'S A 1.6. STUFF LIKE THAT ON MY SAME ROAD. SO IT'S IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE. AND I KNOW Y'ALL REALIZE THAT TOO. WHAT'S GOING ON? I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON FOR THIS STUFF TO JUMP LIKE IT'S JUMPING ON ON THE SMALLER. I KNOW ONE ROAD. I PULLED HIS UP HIS HIS PROPERTY AND HIS HOUSE. HIS HOUSE DROPPED $300,000. FROM 2425 TO 26, HE'S DROPPED 300,000. AND MINE GOES UP BECAUSE I'VE GOT A LITTLE 1.6 AND SHE'S GOT A 1.5. DO YOU HAVE SOME OF THE ADDRESSES OR SOMETHING. SO I COULD. SOME OF THE PROPERTIES THAT YOU MENTIONED. WELL I WROTE IT ALL UP RIGHT HERE, THE ONES RIGHT ON MY ROAD. IS THAT THE 3618 HERITAGE ROAD, 709 HERITAGE ROAD AND 5260 HERITAGE ROAD. YES, THAT'S THE FIRST ONE. OKAY, OKAY. YEAH, I SEE THAT NOW. I APOLOGIZE. OKAY. THAT'S NEARBY. NEAR YOUR HOUSE, YOUR PROPERTY. THESE HERITAGE ROAD, I GUESS. YEAH. YOU ON HERITAGE ROAD? THAT'S RIGHT. I'M SORRY. OKAY. AND I'LL KEEP AN. I KNOW I'M REPEATING MYSELF, BUT I KEEP ON LOOKING. AND IT ALL DEPENDS ON. AND MAYBE Y'ALL CAN TELL ME. IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU'RE WHERE YOUR ACREAGE IS AT AND WHERE YOUR LANDS AT AND WHERE YOUR HOUSE IS AT IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST YOU. I WAS DOWN IN CARSON THE OTHER DAY, AND I GOT HIS ADDRESS, AND I LOOKED UP HIS AND MY GOD, HIS FIVE ACRES WAS ONLY 4 OR $5000 MORE THAN MY 1.6. IS IT BECAUSE I LIVE ON HERITAGE ROAD NEAR THE COURTHOUSE AND HE LIVES NEAR STONY CREEK? THAT COULD HAVE SOME BEARING ON IT. LOCATION Y SALES IN THE AREA. SOME AREA IS MORE DESIRABLE THAN IT WAS THE OLD LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NECESSARILY THE CASE HERE, BUT I MEAN, IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT THAT'S WHAT IT IS. BUT I WILL CERTAINLY LOOK AND SEE THESE OTHER PROPERTIES ON HERITAGE. YES. WHEN YOU PULL THEM UP. YES, SIR. WELL, RIGHT BESIDE HER, WE GOT A $400,000 HOUSE, AND THEIRS WENT DOWN THE NEXT LOT BESIDE HER. YOUR KIDS? 53 990. RIGHT? [03:00:09] YEP. YEP. THAT NEW ONE. JASON, YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? A LOT TO THE NORTH OF HIS IS THAT 60,000? I THINK I'M SHOWING IT ON THE SCREEN. LIKE, HERE'S Y'ALL'S HOUSE AND THEN TWO HOUSES BESIDE EACH OTHER. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. WE'RE LOOKING AT 5350 AND I LIVE IN 5300 RIGHT BESIDE IT. OKAY. YEAH. THAT'S WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE 5350 SOUTH. THE GIBBS PROPERTY. LOOK AT THEIRS AS A COMPARISON. THERE'S SIMILAR ACREAGE THAT HAS 60,000 ON IT. YOURS IS 72. ON THE FACE OF WHAT, THEY LOOK PRETTY SIMILAR. AND THIS ONE IS FURTHER TO THE SOUTH. IS ALSO AT 60. OKAY. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE LAND ON HERS, YOU'RE AT 47,000. 600. YOU JUMP UP TO 70. ALMOST 75,000. ON JUST THE LAND. AND WHAT WHAT IS WHAT'S CHANGED? WHAT'S WHAT'S WHEN THE WORLD'S MADE THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE. MINE'S THE SAME THING. I WENT UP 74 EIGHT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THIS ONE IS 60, 53, 50, 53, 1960. 5390S. THAT'S TWO DOORS DOWN FROM YOU, RIGHT? NO, THAT WOULD BE TO THEM. FROM ME. 140. YEAH. THAT'S 60. STEPHANIE GIBBS. YEAH. THAT'S AT 60. OKAY. SO THERE. GIBBS HASN'T BEEN UPDATED, UNFORTUNATELY. SO I'M LOOKING UP IN VISION. LET ME SWITCH TO IT NOW. SO THE GIBBS PROPERTIES PULLED UP. NOW THEIR LAND VALUE 74,000. SO. I'M SORRY. I WAS LOOKING AT THE OLD GIS. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT HAD NOT BEEN DATED. SO THE GIBBS PROPERTIES, A SIMILAR ACREAGE. AND IT HAS A SIMILAR VALUE AT $74,800. BUT THAT OTHER ONE I KNOW. THAT'S GOT MORE ACREAGE. I WAS GOING TO SAY HOW MUCH LAND IS IS WITH THE GIBBS PROPERTY. 1.5 ACRES, .58 AND HAS 1.6, SO IT WAS PRETTY DEAD ON CLOSE. YEAH. WHICH ONE HAS 1.6? HERS. COURTNEY'S FIRST. HERS. MINE IS ONE SIX. COURTNEY'S IS ONE. SO 5300 IS THE 1.6 5350 IS 1.5 SOMETHING. AND WHAT'S COURTNEY'S ASSESSMENT FOR LAND? 74 FOR 74 FOR. OKAY. AND THEN LAUREN'S TWO FOR MINE WAS 70 FOR. MAMA 74 AND NINE. HERS IS 74 FOR. TOWARDS THE EQUALIZATION. IT LOOKS PRETTY. PRETTY EQUAL TO ME. RIGHT. 74. EIGHT. 74 FOUR AND 74 NINE. YEAH. I'M NOT I'M NOT DISAGREEING. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US. I'M JUST. I'M ONE THING IS THE TWO OF YOU GUYS AND GIBBS, ALL THREE ARE RIGHT IN THAT 74. 574. 4 TO 7, 74. NINE FOR THE LAND VALUE. EXACTLY. AND THEY'RE ALL ABOUT ABOUT AN ACRE AND A HALF. YES. FINE. I DON'T I DON'T DISAGREE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ON THAT. OKAY. IT'S JUST LOOKING AT WHAT IT WAS AND JUMPING UP AS MUCH AS IT JUMPED. AND THEN ALSO WHEN I PULL UP OTHER LANDS AND I DON'T SEE THE BIG JUMPS AND THE, THE BIGGER LAND. SO IF YOU BUY, THE MORE LAND YOU BUY, I THINK THE CHEAPER IT IS, RIGHT? IT GOES DOWN. SO WHY AM I GETTING PENALIZED? BECAUSE I, I JUST BOUGHT A 1.60. POLLY, YOU'RE COMPARING YOUR 1.5, 1.6 TO SOMEBODY WHO'S GOT FIVE AND A HALF ACRE, RIGHT. MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR'S GOT FIVE ACRES, OKAY? AND HERS IS ONLY LIKE $12,000 DIFFERENCE THAN MY 1.6. SO THERE'S THE PROPERTY HE'S TALKING ABOUT, I BELIEVE. YEAH. LET ME PULL IT UP IN VISION AS WELL. BEAR WITH ME. I'M DOING IT ON THE FLY. JASON, WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, JUST JUST TESTING THAT THE REMOTE MIC [03:05:08] WORKS. OKAY, GREAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANKS. JASON. CAN YOU HEAR ME ALSO? YES. YES. SO, THE FIVE ACRE PIECE THE LAND VALUE IS NOT 91,400. SO I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME SO I GUESS MAYBE THAT IS 12,000. LET HIM DO THE MATH. BUT YEAH. HAVE THE REST PULLED UP HERE UP TO. WE HAVE 91. FOUR. THIS IS THE FIVE ACRE TRACK. AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY DOWNWARD ADJUSTMENTS. AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A PRETTY STANDARD PIECE OF LAND, SO PROBABLY DOESN'T NEED ANY ADJUSTMENTS. AND SHE'S IN THE SAME SCENARIO I AM IN TOWARDS THE HOUSE AND THE LAND. HER LAND SHOT UP LIKE CRAZY. YEAH, I GOT IT RIGHT HERE TOO. AND THEN HER LAND AND WENT UP A LITTLE BIT. BUT THE HOUSE TOOK OFF LIKE OURS DID, AND SHE'S GOT A SMALLER HOUSE AND I GOT. SO, JASON, WHAT WAS YOU SAYING WHEN YOU COMPARED IT TO THE GIBBS PROPERTY? I THINK THE LAND IN THAT, IN THAT AT LEAST LOCALLY, IS EQUALIZED. I DON'T SEE ANY, ANY BIAS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT UP AND DOWN THE STREET FROM WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. THERE MAY BE, YOU KNOW, LOCATIONAL DIFFERENCES LIKE YOU WERE SEEING DOWN IN CARSON. IT MAY BE CHEAPER OR WHATEVER. AND AS FAR AS THE HOUSE IS GRADED AS A C-MINUS, SO IT'S SLIGHTLY BELOW AVERAGE. YOU KNOW, WHICH I THINK IS FAIR. YOU KNOW JUST LOOKING AT THE PICTURE OF IT, IT'S IT'S DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW. OKAY, I GOT ANOTHER ONE I WOULD LIKE FOR Y'ALL TO LOOK AT. 70 009 HERITAGE ROAD. YES. IS THAT THE ONE YOU TALKED ABOUT? I HAVE A16 HERITAGE. RUDOLPH. NO. RUDOLPH. JONES. RUDOLPH. JONES. YES. NO. IT'S NOT EVEN ON. YEAH. NO. YOU SAID 7009. 7009. HERE. TOO TRUE. 7007009 HERITAGE ROAD. THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF OLD STAGE. OTHER WAY. JASON. OKAY. FURTHER TOWARD THE CREEK. DOWN 7009 HERITAGE ROAD. THAT'S DOWN THIS WAY. CROSSOVER 635 GOING TOWARDS PAST BROCKWELL BEFORE YOU GET TO OLD TOWN. OKAY, I'LL JUST PUNCH IN THE ADDRESS. SORRY. 7009. KEEP GOING. THIS WILL BINGO IT. WENT DOWN RIGHT THERE. YEAH. SO THIS ONE I HAVE PULLED UP IN VISION. IT IS 1.6 ACRES. IT'S 70,000 IS 60,100. THE LAND VALUE. AND I'M GOING TO SHOW IT ON THE SCREEN. IT'S BECAUSE THERE IS A 20% REDUCTION FOR SHAPE, WHICH I THINK IS APPROPRIATE GIVEN THAT IT IS A DIFFERENT SHAPE. SO ALTHOUGH THE DIFFERENCE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN NUMBER, THERE'S ALSO A DIFFERENCE, IN FACT, BECAUSE THIS ONE IS YOU KNOW, KIND OF AN ODD SHAPE OR WHATEVER. SO SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN THEY START THE REASON THAT VISION DOES THIS LAND TABLE THING WITH THE WIND INFLUENCE FACTORS IS THE STARTING POINT IS EQUALIZATION ALL THE PROPERTIES IN THE SAME AREA ON THE SAME LAND TABLE. SO THEY START OUT EQUALIZED, AND THEN YOU ONLY ADJUST FOR THINGS THAT ARE FACT BASED, LIKE SHAPE, TOPOGRAPHY YOU KNOW, WHAT EASEMENTS OR WETLANDS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO THIS ONE IS EQUALIZED EXCEPT FOR THE TAKING 20% OFF FOR THE SHAPE. AND THAT'S WHY THOSE ARE DIFFERENT. WHICH I THINK IS PROBABLY REASONABLE GIVEN, YOU KNOW, THE SHAPE OF THE LAND OR WHATEVER I'D LIKE TO SEE. BUT CAN YOU PUT THE SHAPE BACK UP THERE? YES, MA'AM. LET ME SWITCH BACK. I'M SORRY THE VISION DOESN'T HAVE. I NEED TO GET IT INSTALLED ON THIS ONE LITTLE COMPUTER IN HERE. THEY'RE GOING TO LOVE ME, BUT HERE IT IS. HERE'S THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. [03:10:04] OH, 7009 HERITAGE. THAT'S MARGUERITE'S. OKAY. YEAH. MARGUERITE, I WAS THINKING IT WAS YEAH. OKAY. OKAY, SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SHAPE IS IT A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HAVING 400FT ACROSS AND A FIVE ACRE OR AN ACRE AND A HALF LOT COMPARED TO HAVING 150FT ACROSS ROAD FRONTAGE. I MEAN, YOU GET INTO THESE FIVE ACRE TRACKS AND A LOT OF THEM AREN'T, BUT 150 TO 200 FOOT ACROSS ROAD FRONTAGE, BUT THERE ARE 1000 1200 DEEP. SO WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT SHAPE. THAT'S WHERE THE DIFFERENCE IS IN THE MONEY TOO, BECAUSE THE WAY THE LAND IS, I MEAN, BUT IF YOU GOT ALMOST THE SAME AMOUNT OF ROAD FRONTAGE THAT I'VE GOT. IT'S IT'S A USABILITY FACTOR. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS WHERE MY WHERE I'M HOVERING MY MOUSE DOWN HERE BELOW TO THIS POINT, IT'S NOT AS DEEP. AND YOU CAN'T USE THIS IN THE SAME WAY AS A NICE RECTANGULAR PIECE, YOU KNOW? SO EVEN THOUGH IT MAY HAVE THE SAME OR OR MORE ROAD FRONTAGE, IT'S NOT AS USABLE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY. THAT'S THE THOUGHT PROCESS, YOU KNOW, BEHIND IT. OKAY. YOU GOT IT? YEAH. OKAY. I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T HAVE MY GLASSES WITH ME, AND I COULDN'T HALFWAY SEE IT. I'M SORRY. I DID GOOD. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOE? DO I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION OR A MOTION? DO I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION OR A MOTION FROM THE BOE? SO THE ASSESSMENT IS NOW 3023. OKAY. ON COURTNEY'S. YEAH. ON COURTNEY'S. 3023. 3023. CORRECT. UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK IT'S WORTH EVERY PENNY OF IT. EVEN THOUGH YOU THINK THE LAND IS HIGH. I MAKE A MOTION THAT THE THAT THE ASSESSMENT STAY AT 3023. DO I HAVE A SECOND TO THE MOTION? SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. NO OPPOSITION. COURTNEY. YOUR VALUE. YOUR LAND WILL STAY AT THREE 02 5330 2300. THE ASSESSMENT IS CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES, SIR. WHERE WAS THE EMAIL? THAT SOMETHING WENT DOWN. 800 MORE DOLLARS ON ONE OF THEM. I HAVE A HAVE A COPY OF IT. SO IS THAT. DOES THAT MANAGE THE. THE 300 TO 300. OR IS THAT THE FINAL? IT LOOKS LIKE 302. 300 IS THE FINAL OKAY. THIS IS FROM JOHN THREE. IT CHANGED FROM 18. WENDELL 18,400. IT WAS ON MAY THE 21ST. WAS THE HOMEOWNER NOT SENT A COPY STATING THAT THE VALUE WENT DOWN I WANT THIS, I BELIEVE THAT, YEAH, WE'RE REQUIRED TO WE'RE REQUIRED TO SEND A KNOWS WHEN THE VALUE IS CHANGED. SO MY GUESS IS VISION SENT A NOTICE. OKAY, OKAY. WHAT DATE IS THAT? YOU SAID MAY MAY 21ST. THERE'S ALSO A JUNE 26TH EMAIL. I'M SORRY. SEND IT TO THE WRONG EMAIL ADDRESS. OH, THAT'S. YOU DIDN'T GET IT? I DIDN'T GET IT. YEAH, YOU GET IT EITHER. IT'S REALLY WRONG. I THINK THEY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN IT FROM. OH, I DON'T NOTICE. YEAH. OH, THAT'S NOT GOOD. WELL, THAT'S WHERE IT WENT. WHOEVER. WHOEVER. YOU GOT THAT EMAIL ADDRESS? YEAH. SOMEBODY GOT IT. THERE YOU GO. OH MY GOD. THEY KNOCKED ALL THEY DONE $1. YOU CAN KEEP THAT, COURTNEY. YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY. LAWRENCE, YOU HAD 5300. YES, MA'AM. THAT WAS ADJUSTED TO 336. [03:15:05] I'M SURE. YEAH. MY PANEL. MY PANEL WAS AT THREE, THREE, SIX, 400. YES. OKAY. SEE, I GOT. THIS IS COURTNEY'S. OH, NO. THIS IS IT. THAT'S. THAT'S LONG. OKAY. YEAH. THREE, THREE, SIX, 400 IS WHAT WE HAVE NOW. YES, MA'AM. AND THAT WAS ADJUSTED. THAT WAS THE LAST THING I GOT. ADJUSTED FROM 343 5 TO 336 FOUR. OKAY. CORRECT. YES. CUT THAT BUZZER OFF, PLEASE. THANK YOU. YEAH. BECAUSE I DO HAVE A FINAL ON MINE. OKAY. I MEAN SQUARE FEET. DO YOU HAVE HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS IN IS IN YOUR HOUSE? OH. DID YOU SAY 1700? YEAH. IT'S SEVEN. ROUND 17. 17. RIGHT AROUND 17. YES. HE'S GOT. HE'S LUCKY. 16. 94, TO BE EXACT. THAT'S IT. OKAY. AND THEY HAVE A CONCRETE PATIO, TWO CAR GARAGE AND A TWO CAR DETACHED GARAGE, PLUS A SCREENED IN PORCH. I THINK HE'S LUCKY AT THAT. NAPOLEON. DO YOU HAVE 1 OR 2 DETACHED GARAGES, ONE COURT NEXT TO YOU. YOU HAVE TWO DETACHED GARAGES OR JUST ONE, ONE DETACHED GARAGE. OKAY. THE OTHER ONE IN THE PICTURE IT LOOKS LIKE COURTNEY'S. SO YOU'RE QUALIFYING THAT MR. BROCKWELL. WHAT? I GOT. YEAH, THAT'S THE GARAGE. I HAVE A YEAH, THE OTHER PICTURE IS HERS. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. BUT IT HAS YOU DOWN HERE. THERE'S TWO DETACHED GARAGES, TWO DETACHED GARAGE. OKAY WHAT DO Y'ALL CONSIDER A. YOU'VE GOT A POLE BUILDING. LIGHT POLE BUILDING 416. YOU'VE GOT A DETACHED GARAGE FOR 1080. YOU HAVE ANOTHER DETACHED GARAGE FOR 572. THAT'S IT. THAT WAS BUILT IN 2022. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I GOT. YEP. THAT'S A GARAGE AS WELL. YEAH. WHAT. THE DETACHED GARAGE. OKAY. OKAY. BUT DO YOU HAVE THE DETACHED GARAGE THAT WAS BUILT IN 87? 1080. THAT'S YOUR TWO. THAT'S YOUR TWO CAR GARAGE? YES, THAT'S A TWO CAR. SO YOU DO HAVE TWO DETACHED GARAGES. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. IS THE AERIAL VIEW PRETTY ACCURATE? YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. ONE'S RIGHT. SAMANTHA. THE OTHER? YEAH. THERE'S ONE RIGHT BEHIND THE OTHER. OKAY. OKAY. I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THREE. AND BY ONE, ABOUT THE POLE BARN. IT LOOKS PRETTY. BUILDING TO TWO GARAGES, RIGHT? I MEAN, HE HAS ONE. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. AND YOU THINK YOUR ASSESSMENT IS HARD? HEART 336 400. I JUST, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T MIND LIKE THE BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, AND THE HOUSE AND STUFF, BUT THE LAND. I MEAN, WHEN IT JUMPS FROM. I MEAN, AND I KNOW EVERYBODY'S PAID WHAT THEY PAID FOR WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU BUILT YOUR HOUSE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT MY GOD, FROM WHAT I BOUGHT IT AND WHAT IT'S WORTH NOW AND THEN WE JUMP FROM 40 SOME TO 70, ALMOST 75. I KNOW WE DIDN'T DO NOTHING IN WHAT, 24, 25 OR STUFF LIKE THAT. AND I REALIZE THAT. SO SO BASICALLY IT'S A TWO YEAR ASSESSMENT. YEAH. AND I JUST I WISH IT WAS JUST SOME WAY THAT WE COULD, AS IN THE COUNTY THAT WE COULD GET MORE EQUAL ON. YOU KNOW WHY? IS IT BECAUSE CERTAIN PEOPLE HAVE CERTAIN WAYS WHERE THEY LIVE AT THEIR LANDS, THIS AND THAT? AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU BOUGHT FIVE ACRES AND IT WON'T SWAMP LAND AND IT WAS GOOD PERK LAND AND THIS AND THAT, JUST BECAUSE YOU LIVE IN CARSON AND SOME MAN LIVES DOWN HERE ON THE SURREY AND PRINCE GEORGE LINE, WHY ARE THEY $20,000 DIFFERENT IN THEIR PROPERTY? THAT'S WHAT I, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH. AND THEN ON THE LOW SIDE, THE PEOPLE THAT WHEN I, WHEN I BOUGHT 1.6 ACRES OF LAND, I NEVER THOUGHT I'D STILL BE THERE 37 YEARS LATER. BUT I'M THERE AND I LOOK AT IT LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE SMALLER LOTS IS TAKING A BIG BLUNT IN THIS COUNTY. [03:20:09] AND THEN YOU TURN AROUND AND YOU HAVE DEVELOPERS AND STUFF, AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S THERE. THEY'RE LIVING. AND THEY COME IN AND BUY LOTS AND CAN SELL HOUSES AT 300 AND $400,000 ON A QUARTER ACRE LOT. YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE THAT. I THINK IT'S REALLY HURTING THESE SMALLER ACREAGE PEOPLE MORE, BECAUSE I COULD HAVE WENT RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. AND MR. VARGO HAD FIVE ACRE TRACKS AROUND THERE FOR $20,000 BACK THEN. YEAH. AND BUT I WOULD CHOSE TO WHERE I WENT, IT GOES IT WASN'T NO TREES. IT WAS CUTTING GRASS EVERY WEEK. STUFF LIKE THAT. AND SO I CHOSE THE 1.6 OFF OF HIS PROPERTY. AND NOW MY 1.6 IS ALMOST EQUAL TO A FIVE ACRE LOT. THAT'S THAT'S MY CONCERN. AND MORE THAN ANYTHING THAT THE THAT THE LOWER LOT IN THE COUNTY ARE TAKING A BIG HIT. I CAN UNDERSTAND IT. AND I MEAN EVERYBODY'S GOT AN OPINION. THAT'S MY OPINION. YOU KNOW. WELL, I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT I THINK IT'S THE SAME THING WE TOLD COURTNEY. OH, YEAH, I'M FINE, YOU KNOW? DOES ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOE HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THIS? I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU, LAWRENCE, THAT THE THAT THE BUILDING LOTS LIKE YOU GOT ONE AND A HALF ACRES, BUT UNFORTUNATELY IN PRINCE GEORGE, WHEN YOU GET FIVE ACRE LOTS, HALF OF IT SWAMP LAND AND IT'S VALUED AT THE SAME THING. AND AND THE FIVE ACRE ONES NOW ARE PROBABLY UP AROUND 90,000. CORRECT THE ASSESSMENT. YES. SO I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU, BUT I FEEL LIKE YOUR HOUSE IS BEING ASSESSED LOWER THAN OTHER HOUSES. OKAY. AREA. I THINK YOU YOU GOT LUCKY FOR THEM TO REDUCE IT TO 336. QUITE HONESTLY, BECAUSE YOUR HOUSE. IF I WERE TO PUT YOUR HOUSE ON THE MARKET TOMORROW, I WOULD. IT WOULD PROBABLY BE WELL OVER 400. YOU DON'T BUY IT, YOU WON'T BUY IT. WE CAN MAKE A DEAL ON THE MARKET FOR YOU. SO? SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE ASSESSMENT TO REMAIN AT THE 336 FOUR. OKAY. I'M SORRY. OKAY A SECOND. NO. AND YOU KNOW YOURSELF. I'M SORRY. DO I HAVE A. SO YOU'RE NO GOOD. RAYMOND. OH, RAYMOND. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE AYE AYE. LIKE, ELIZABETH, YOU KNOW, WE GREW UP IN THIS COUNTY. YEAH. AND YOU KNOW YOURSELF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FIVE ACRE TRACTS AND STUFF IN THIS COUNTY THAT WE WENT THROUGH WHEN WE WERE GROWING UP. I MEAN, YOU CAN RIDE AROUND THIS COUNTY AND TAKE A WHOLE LOT OF LOTS THAT DID NOT PERK RIGHT BACK IN THE 70S AND 80S. AND NOW LOOK AT THEM AND HAVE THEM EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID, HALF OF IT, NO GOOD LAND AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY STARTED THE SYSTEMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT IN THE COUNTY. I KNOW IT'S 100 LOTS RIGHT HERE IN THE COUNTY THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT WHEN WE WERE GROWING UP. YEAH, IT WOULDN'T BE BAD. IT WOULD NEVER PERK. YEAH. YOU'RE RIGHT. AND WE'RE RUNNING INTO THAT EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTY AND THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES. YEAH. YEAH. WELL, I'LL THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN. WE APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. GOOD SEEING Y'ALL. JEFFREY EL AND LAURA EL SMITH GRIEVES. HI. HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING TODAY? PLEASE, MADAM CHAIRMAN. DID YOU VOTE FOR THAT LAST ONE? YES. YES. YES. OKAY. OKAY. SECOND WE VOTED. YES. OKAY. SORRY. EXCUSE ME. THAT'S OKAY. PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. PLEASE GIVE US YOUR FULL NAME. MY NAME IS LAURA GREVE SMITH. DO YOU SWEAR OR PROMISE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH TODAY UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY? YES. ALRIGHT. GO AHEAD. WE'VE GOT IT. LOOKS LIKE TWO PARCELS, I DO. I HAVE TWO ADJACENT PARCELS. THE FIRST ONE IS 8859 HAINES ROAD AND THE SECOND ONE IS 8925 HAINES ROAD. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I HAVE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE [03:25:01] PRIOR TO THE CHANGES THAT WERE IN THE OFFICE AND TO THE CURRENT ONES. AND WHEN I PRINTED OUT MY PAPERWORK TODAY, IT APPEARS THAT THE CHANGES THAT MR. COHEN AND I HAD BEEN WORKING ON WERE UPDATED IN VISIONS, BUT NOT ON THE GIS, WHICH IS FINE. AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY TO SEE WHICH ONES WERE CORRECT. WE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH TEN ACRES. I ORIGINALLY ASKED THE QUESTION FOR THE FORMULA FOR THE TEN ACRES VERSUS THE TWO ACRES. MY PARCELS TOUCH EACH OTHER, AND THEY'RE BOTH OFF OF THE ROAD, SO THEY DON'T HAVE ROAD FRONTAGE. THEY ALL HAVE EASEMENTS TO GO IN. AND THEY WERE VERY HELPFUL IN EXPLAINING TO ME SOME OF THE DISCOUNTS THAT WERE SHOWN IN VISIONS TO MAKE THAT ASSESSMENT, AND I APPRECIATE THAT GREATLY. MY LAND WAS CHANGED FROM OVER $100,000 FOR THE TEN ACRES TO 81. AND I JUST NEED TO CLARIFY THAT. THAT IS STILL TRUE. THIS IS THE SECOND PARCEL, THE 8.925 FOR THE TWO ACRES AT 50,900. AND ONE OF THE ONES THAT I PRINTED OFF SHOWED THAT IT WAS 46,500. AND THEN THE SO I'M JUST LOOKING FOR SOME CLARIFICATION. THIS WAS THE PROPERTY CARD THAT I PRINTED OFF. SO IS IT AS IT STANDS TODAY, THE ONE PROPERTY, THE TWO ACRE TRACT. THE LAND VALUE IS AT $50,900. OKAY, SO THE VISIONS SHOWED IT AT 46. SO JUST KIND OF LOOKING FOR SOME CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I'M GETTING INFORMATION. OBVIOUSLY I PREFER THE 46 WHEN I LOOK AT OTHER PARCELS AROUND ME. FOR EXAMPLE, FIVE ACRES AROUND ME ARE VERY CLOSE TO THAT 50 THERE. YOU KNOW, JUST THAT'S WHY I WENT AND ASKED FOR THE FORMULA. AND UNFORTUNATELY, I NEVER WAS ABLE TO RECEIVE THAT. SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO OR HOW WE CAN LOOK AT IT, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE SOME CLARITY AND SOME UNDERSTANDING ON YOUR. I HAVE TWO ACRES. IT'S JUST THE LAND VALUE. WELL, THE HOUSE VALUE ON THIS, ON THIS HOUSE THAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW IS THREE YEARS OLD AND WITH NO IMPROVEMENTS. THE VALUE OF THAT HOUSE WENT UP OVER $30,000. AND I DO BELIEVE THAT WAS A LITTLE EXCESSIVE, BUT AFTER TALKING TO THEM IN THE OFFICE. IT WAS SOMETHING THAT I NEEDED TO BRING UP TO Y'ALL. SO. HOW OLD'S THE HOUSE? THREE YEARS OLD. THREE YEARS. OKAY. AND WITH NO IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE VALUE TO GO UP INTO. AND, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE LAST TWO YEARS, I THINK THAT THAT'S IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF WE HAD ADDED SOME VALUE TO IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE HAVE NOT. THAT WAS ABOUT A 7% INCREASE. ON MY SHEET THAT CAME IN THE IN THE MAIL ORIGINALLY. SO CONFUSING. THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN A SECOND PRINT OUT BECAUSE I WENT UP THERE SO MANY TIMES, BUT THE LAND VALUE WAS. 5900. AND IT HAD GONE UP FROM 46. SO I ASKED THEM FOR TWO ACRES JUST WHAT THE FORMULA WAS, BECAUSE WHEN I COMPARE THAT TO MY TEN ACRES, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE MATH. SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO I UNDERSTAND THE FIRST INITIAL ACRE IS A CERTAIN MUCH, AND THEN EVERY ACRE AFTER THAT, DEPENDING ON ROAD FRONTAGE AND ACCESSIBILITY AND WETLANDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I GET ALL OF THAT. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND IT. I JUST WAS LOOKING FOR SOME CLARIFICATION. SO I'M LOOKING ON HERE. IT'S A 5.6% INCREASE FROM THE PRIOR ASSESSMENT, WHICH REALLY IS FROM TWO YEARS AGO. SO EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING, ANY IMPROVEMENT TO YOUR HOUSE, YOU WOULD EXPECT THAT THE MARKET'S BEEN GOING UP AND YOU JUST SAT ON IT. YOU SEEN 5.6, 0.6 4%, 0.65%. THAT'S MARKET GROWTH. SO YOU I MEAN, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO DO IF YOU HAD DONE IMPROVEMENTS, IT WOULD HAVE GONE UP EVEN HIGHER. THEORETICALLY. RIGHT. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YOU [03:30:02] DON'T EVEN HAVE TO. THE WAY THE MARKET'S BEEN. YOU COULD JUST SIT IN NOTHING AND YOU WOULD EXPECT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF INCREASE. OKAY. AND WHAT ABOUT THE LAND? I MEAN, I HAVE TEN ACRES TOUCHING TWO ACRES, AND ONE'S OVER 50,000. AND ONE WAS AT 100 NOW. YES, IT WAS ADJUSTED TO 81, AND I APPRECIATE THAT COMPLETELY. BUT ALL I WAS DOING WAS ASKING FOR SOME TYPE OF CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE IT WAS VERY FRUSTRATING WHEN IT INITIALLY CAME IN THE MAIL. AND, I MEAN, I JUST THINK IT'S SAD THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO I MEAN, NOT EVERYBODY IS AS ACCESSIBLE AS I AM TO COME UPSTAIRS ON A DAILY BASIS AND BOTHER SOMEBODY. BUT. BUT AGAIN, HE'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL. SO YOU HAVE TEN AND THAT YOUR DAD'S HOUSE WAS ON TWO. BUT IT'S NOT PART. BUT IT WAS NEVER TECHNICALLY DAD'S. IT WAS ALWAYS MINE. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, BUT I KNEW I KNEW WHICH. YES. OKAY. SO THEY'RE JUST SIDE BY SIDE THEIR DIAGONALS. SO WHERE YOU SEE THE, THE TOP LEFT CORNER, THE PARCEL TOUCHING THAT CORNER, THE TWO A OKAY. NOW GO THE OTHER WAY. THAT'S 34. YEAH. THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. CLICK THIS ONE. THAT'S MINE. THIS ONE IS A TWO ACRE ONE THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE RIGHT. AND THE TEN ACRE ONE IS THIS OTHER ONE. THAT'S OKAY. GOTCHA. THEY'RE KIND OF CATTY CORNER IS WHAT I WOULD SAY. AND THEY BOTH HAVE ACCESS OFF THE ROAD, THE 55TH DIRT ROAD. OKAY. CORRECT. OKAY. GOTCHA. I WAS THINKING LIKE THAT THEY WERE I WAS DOING THE SAME, LIKE HERE. HERE? YEAH, I WAS THINKING SIDE BY SIDE. YEAH. OKAY. 8081. AND HERS. AND THE LAND VALUE OF THE FIVE ACRES RIGHT BELOW ME IS 60,000. IS THAT CLEAR? NO. CLARENCE BURNS IS IN FRONT OF THE TWO ACRES. WE TOOK TWO ACRES OFF OF THEIRS. OKAY. GOTCHA. YEAH. SO? SO THE TEN ACRE TRACT THEY'RE ALL IN THE SAME LAND SCHEDULE, LIKE I WAS SAYING BEFORE. SO THE THE STARTING POINT IS EQUALIZATION. SO THAT THE TEN ACRE TRACT HAS A 15% REDUCTION FOR ACCESS AND A 5% REDUCTION FOR WETLAND. AND THEN THE TWO ACRE TRACT. LET ME CALL THAT UP. ENVISION IT DOESN'T HAVE THE WETLANDS ON IT. SO IT WAS JUST THAT YOU JUST THE ACCESS. SO SO THEY WERE THE SAME. I BELIEVE IN HER CONTENTION. IS THIS HOW TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH? BUT FROM WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, IS THIS OTHER PARCEL. THE FIVE ACRE PIECE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY HAS TO SWITCH BACK TO MY SCREEN. SO THIS ONE HAS GOT A DIFFERENT ADJUSTMENT. LET ME PULL IT UP IN VISION, BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO ON A DIRT ROAD AND SHOULD HAVE THE SAME ADJUSTMENTS. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH. I FOLLOW YOUR YOUR YOUR REASONING. SO IS THERE A FORMULA THAT IS USED? IT'S NOT COMPLICATED. I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S COMPLICATED. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU MAY NOT WANT IT. I DON'T REALLY I DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE MATH. I JUST WANT THE MATH TO WORK RIGHT HERE ON THIS ONE. THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT. THIS ONE HAS A 0.7, THE FIVE ACRE TRACK JUST BELOW HERS. YOU CAN SEE NOW IT HAS A, LIKE A 30% REDUCTION FOR ACCESS. I CAN'T TELL YOU WHICH ONE IS QUOTE UNQUOTE CORRECT VERSUS LIKE. SO THE THE SWITCHBACK, UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S A TOGGLE BACK AND FORTH, BUT. THIS PARCEL, HER TRACK, THE TEN ACRES HAS GOT A 15% REDUCTION FOR NOT BEING ON LIKE A REGULAR ROAD, KIND OF OFF THE ROAD ACCESS. THIS ONE HAS GOT A 30% REDUCTION. THE SMALLER FIVE ACRE TRACK. I JUST THINK THAT BOTH OF MY PARCELS SHOULD HAVE A 30% REDUCTION IF THEY HAVE THE SAME 50 FOOT EASEMENT STYLE THAT'S COMING FROM THE SAME ROAD UP TO THE SAME DISTANCE. WELL, ONE ROAD LOOKS LIKE IT'S CUT AND ACCESSIBLE TO THESE YEAR TWO. WELL, MINE'S IN AN OPEN FIELD, SO IT DOES LOOK CUT OUT, BUT THOSE ARE OPEN CUT. THAT IS AN OPEN ROAD DOWN THERE. YES. BECAUSE THEY ALSO LIVE IN THIS HOUSE. [03:35:03] THEY HAVE PEOPLE ALSO LIVE IN THAT HOUSE THERE. SO THAT IS AN ACTIVE ROAD. OKAY. OKAY. IT JUST DIDN'T LOOK LIKE IT BY THE GIS, RIGHT? BUT THAT'S HOW THOSE PEOPLE ACCESS THEIR PROPERTY. THEY ACTUALLY OWN BOTH OF THOSE. IT MAKES SENSE. AND A TEN ACRES IS BEHIND THAT ONE. IT'S ABOVE IT FROM THIS SCREEN HERE. RIGHT? YEAH. SO SHE'S COMING IN OFF THIS GRAVEL ROAD UP HERE. RIGHT. ORIGINALLY WE WE COULD HAVE FIVE PEOPLE COME OFF THAT ACCESS THERE. AND WHEN WE BUILT THE WHITE HOUSE, WE HAD TO BUILD A NEW ACCESS OFF OF A 50 FOOT EASEMENT UP THE OTHER SIDE OF MY IN-LAWS PROPERTY. SO YOU HAD TO PUT THAT ROAD IN? YES, MA'AM. WE'LL HAVE THREE ON THE ROAD, RIGHT? YEP. YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE ROADIE. STUPID. YEAH. SO WE HAD TO DO ALL OF THAT JUST TO GET BACK THERE BECAUSE WE COULDN'T LOOP AROUND INTO OUR FROM HOURS. WHAT'S THE ASSESSED VALUE OF THE FIVE ACRE SQUARE THERE? THE THE FIVE ACRE, 151 301 58 558 FIVE. YEAH. THE GIS HADN'T BEEN UPDATED. I DON'T KNOW. SORRY. IT'S IT'S 50,500. GOT IT. AND MY TWO ACRES IS ESTIMATED AT. 50,900. I THINK I GAVE HIM THAT SHEET. THAT'S TOTAL. YEAH, HUNDRED, BUT I'M SORRY. YES, 5900. OKAY. YEAH, I WAS LOOKING AT. I WOULD THINK THAT THAT TEN ACRE PARCEL. WOULD HAVE THE SAME ADJUSTMENT AS THAT. THE FIVE ACRE ONE THAT'S BELOW IT IN FRONT OF IT, IF YOU WILL. BECAUSE THEY BOTH ACTUALLY USE PRIVATE ROADS. ACCESS. I DON'T KNOW WHY ONE WOULD BE MORE THAN THE OTHER JUST BY LOOKING AT THE MAP. IF YOU LOOK AT IT ON A PER ACRE BASIS, YOU KNOW, YOU START OFF WITH THE SMALLEST TWO ACRES IS 25,000 AN ACRE, UP A LITTLE BIGGER, FIVE ACRES IS 11,700 AN ACRE. THEN THE BIGGEST YOU'RE COMING DOWN FOR THE BULK, RIGHT? TEN ACRES IS 8100 AN ACRE. THAT'S WHAT YOU'D EXPECT TO SEE. AS YOUR PARCEL SIZE INCREASES, THE RATE PER ACRE DECREASES. IF THOSE RATES ARE CORRECT, I'M NOT SURE, BUT THAT THAT IS WHAT YOU'D EXPECT TO SEE. IS THE TEN ACRE ONE AT 8880. WELL, I GOT IT REDUCED TO 8181. IT WAS 100. OKAY. SO SO THAT'S BEEN REDUCED. YOU'RE RIGHT ON WITH YOUR FORMULA. RIGHT ON WITH THAT. HE'S RIGHT ON YEAH. YOU FOLLOW THE LOGIC WITH THE AS THE. YEAH I UNDERSTAND WHEN THE PARCELS GET BIGGER THE FORMULA CHANGES. I GET THAT PER ACRE SHOULD DROP. IT'S KIND OF RIGHT AND DISCOUNT. IT'S A LITTLE CLOSE FROM THE FIVE ACRES TO THE TWO. DON'T YOU THINK? I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH THAT AT ALL. HOLD ON. JUST SO, JASON, IF YOU APPLY THE SAME ACCESS REDUCTION TO THE LARGER TRACK, WHAT IS THE NEW VALUE COME TO YOU? ALL RIGHT, LET ME PUNCH THAT IN REAL QUICK. AND THE. AND THE SMALL ONE, BECAUSE THEY'RE BOTH ASSESSED AT 17 INSTEAD OF 30. BUT DON'T YOU HAVE WETLANDS A LITTLE BIT ON YOUR PLACE TOO, RIGHT? BUT THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE ACCENT. THIS IS THE DISCOUNT FOR THE ACCESS EASEMENT. OH, THE TEN ACRES DOES HAVE A VERY SMALL CORNER OF THAT AREA. YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK YOU WERE GIVEN A DISCOUNT FOR THAT ON THERE. OKAY. IF WE WERE TO GIVE THAT THE TEN ACRE ONE, THE SAME 30% REDUCTION FOR ACCESS, IT WOULD BE THE LAND WOULD BE 66,700. AND THE OVERALL VALUE WOULD BE. FOR 600 AND IT'S ON YOUR SCREEN NOW, RIGHT THERE IN BOLD. AND WHAT ABOUT FOR THE WHITE HOUSE? FOR THE LAND? GETTING THE 30% OFF OF THAT ONE. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO TELL YOU TO DO ONE AT A TIME. I DON'T KNOW. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? YOU MEAN VOTE ON ONE AT A TIME? YEAH, YEAH, I COULD CHANGE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, SEE WHAT IT WOULD IMPACT. [03:40:07] GIVE ME A SECOND. BUT FOR NOW, I'M NOT GOING TO SEE THE CHANGES. THAT'S NOT RIGHT. THE LAND WOULD GO TO 41,900. IF YOU WERE TO APPLY THE 30% ADJUSTMENT TO IT, TWO ACRES, WHICH WOULD BE 1.6744. WHICH WOULD BE LOWER THAN THE OLD ASSESSMENT BY $5,000, ROUGHLY. OKAY. WELL THEN WHAT WOULD THAT MAKE THE ASSESSMENTS FOR BOTH OF THEM? LET'S LET'S DEBATE THEM AND KIND OF LET US KNOW WHAT THE AMOUNTS WILL BE. SO FOR THE ONE THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US THE TWO ACRE TRACT, IT WOULD THE OVERALL THE ASSESSMENT WOULD BE FOR $422,100, WITH THE 30% ADJUSTMENT TO THE LAND INSTEAD OF THE 15%. AND THAT'S WITH THE THAT'S WITH THE ADJUSTMENT. WITH ADJUSTMENT. YES, MA'AM. THAT'S OKAY. 22 (400) 110-0100. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S FOR THE TWO ACRES. TEN ACRES. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU WANT TO SEE THE TEN ACRES WAS 6006 700 WITH A TOTAL OF 460 600. HANG ON, I GOTTA. I'M GOING TO SAVE IT PRELIMINARILY, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT ONE. IT WOULD. THE LAND WOULD BE 66,700. AND THE TOTAL WILL BE 460,600. IS THAT CLARIFICATION? YES, THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF THAT WORKS FOR Y'ALL. WELL, THERE'S THE BOSS. I THINK I THINK IT'D BE FINE. LIKE, I WOULD TEND TO JUST MY OPINION WITHOUT IT BEING HERE. THE ROAD FRONTAGE IS LESS IMPORTANT FOR THE SMALLER PROPERTY THAN THE BIGGER ACREAGE TRACK. SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU HAVE A TWO ACRE TRACK. IT'S THAT VALUE IS PROBABLY FINE THE WAY IT WAS, HONESTLY, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT TO BE BACK OFF THE ROAD PRIVACY ISSUE OR WHATEVER. SO BUT FOR THE TEN ACRE TRACK, I WOULD TEND TO BE EQUALIZING THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S MORE OF A DIFFERENCE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE AT LEAST THE POSSIBILITY OF MAYBE DIVIDING IT SOME, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WAY. I CAN'T DIVIDE IT. THE THE DRIVEWAY IS LOCKED. YEAH. SO BUT ANYWAY, I DON'T, YOU KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO DO FOR BOTH, I HAVE NO ISSUES. SO THE TOTAL ASSESSMENT ON THE TWO ACRES BEFORE 22, 100. THAT'S DOWN. FROM WHERE? NO, THAT WOULD BE 41,900. [03:45:01] THE TOTAL TOTAL FOR 22 100. I'M SORRY. AND THE TEN ACRES WAS FOR 6600 HUNDRED. OKAY. DO I HAVE A MOTION FROM THE BOE? I MAKE A MOTION THAT THE TWO ACRE PARCEL TOTAL ASSESSMENT WOULD BE FOR 22 ONE. AND THE ADJUSTMENT MADE TO THE LAND, AS JASON HAD CHANGED IT IN THE VISION AND THE TEN ACRE PARCEL. TOTAL ASSESSMENT TO BE FOR 60 460,600, WITH THE ADJUSTMENT DONE BY THE VISION FOR THE PROPERTY. DO I HAVE A SECOND TO THE MOTION? SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, VOTE BY SAYING AYE. AYE AYE AYE. ANY OPPOSITION? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. Y'ALL HAVE A GREAT DAY. JOHN AND SUSAN SUIT. JOHN AND SUSAN. SUIT. DONNA. HENSHAW. PETERS. MADAM CHAIRWOMAN. MADAM CHAIRMAN. DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ON THE NON SHOW? OR DO YOU WANT TO WAIT? YES. WAIT UNTIL YOU GIVE HER THROUGH THIS ONE. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. BOE. HOW Y'ALL DOING TODAY? FINE. APPRECIATE Y'ALL SITTING OUT. I KNOW THIS ISN'T A FUN THING TO DO, BUT WHICH ONE WOULD YOU LIKE TO START WITH? WELL, FIRST OF ALL NEED YOU TO RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. YES, MA'AM. PLEASE GIVE YOU YOUR FULL NAME. PHILLIP. THOMAS PUGH. AND YOU'RE HERE FOR MISS HENSHAW. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. DO YOU SWEAR OR PROMISE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH TODAY UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY. YES, MA'AM. RIGHT. YOU BOTH ARE. THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SPEAKING FOR THIS COUNTY HAS ALREADY BEEN SWORN IN ONCE TODAY. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. HELP YOURSELF. ALL RIGHT. IT'S TWO PROPERTIES THAT WE ARE APPEALING TODAY, I BELIEVE I DON'T DO MINE TODAY. I DON'T KNOW IF WE EVER RESCHEDULED IT. NOT ABLE TO BE DONE. WAS THAT OKAY? ALL RIGHT. IF YOU WANT, WE COULD START WITH 50 713 COURTHOUSE ROAD. GIVE US A SECOND. YES, MA'AM. CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? 713 COURTHOUSE ROAD, 5713 COURTHOUSE ROAD. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE IS ONE, IT'S A SHARED ROAD. AND ALSO IT DOES NOT HAVE UNIFORMITY TO OTHER LOTS AROUND IT. IN THAT GENERAL AREA. AND I'VE SUBMITTED SOME OF THOSE LOTS ON HERE TO COMPARE TO AND THERE'S NO ROAD AGREEMENT IN PLACE. IT'S SHARED WITH THE BUSINESS AND ALSO ANOTHER RESIDENTS AS WELL. SO IT'S GOT SOMEWHAT OF AN ACCESS ISSUE TO ME. AND THEN ALSO ON THE COMPARISONS THAT I PROVIDED KIND OF SAME HOUSE, SAME SAME STYLE, WHAT HAVE YOU. AND THEY'RE JUST PRICED WAY DIFFERENTLY. SO YOU'RE WANTING A REDUCTION IN THE LAND AS WELL AS THE IMPROVEMENT? YES, MA'AM. I BELIEVE I PUT DOWN RIGHT NOW IT'S 272, 200 FOR THE IMPROVEMENT, AND I'M ASKING TO BE AT 230. AND THEN FOR THE LAND, IT'S AT 57 TO 5, AND MY REQUEST IS TO COME DOWN TO 50. JASON VISION. YOU SAY IT'S A SHARED ROAD. DID I UNDERSTAND YOU? CORRECT. YES, SIR. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTY ALL THE WAY UP AT THE CIRCLE, THAT IS WHERE YOU HAVE TO ENTER TO GET TO THIS HOME WHICH IS CHAPEL REAL ESTATE. AND THEN YOU HAVE TO COME DOWN THE WOOD LINE BEHIND THAT HOUSE THAT YOUR CURSOR IS ON, AND THEN YOU GET TO THE BACK OF THAT HOUSE. YOU COME IN HERE. YES, SIR. BEHIND THIS HOUSE? YES, SIR. AND AND IT'S SHARED WITH 50 717. [03:50:07] BECAUSE VIDA WOULDN'T GIVE YOU A A CURB CUT BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO CLOSE TO THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE. NO. YUP. BE CLOSE TO THE CURB. MAKES SENSE. SO IT WAS NOT GIVEN AN ADJUSTMENT OR ACCESS OR ANY PROBLEMS. IT'S JUST THAT THE THE REGULAR TABLE RATE, TABLE DRIVEN RATE OR THE OTHERS GIVEN. YEAH. LET ME LOOK AT THE LET ME LOOK AT THE MCGEE'S REAL QUICK, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY TO THE ONE ONE UP CLOSER TO THE CIRCLE. SO THEY HAVE A DRIVEWAY THAT GOES TO COURTHOUSE. OKAY. THEY BUILT THEIR HOUSE BEFORE YOU DID. BOTH OF THOSE HOUSES WERE BUILT AT THE SAME TIME. ONE WAS SOLD AND ONE WAS KEPT AS A RENTAL. JASON. YES, MA'AM. THE ACCESS TO THIS HOUSE IS COMES OFF OF THE ONE THAT'S BEHIND. IT'S AT 57, 17 COURTHOUSE ROAD. THAT THERE WAS THAT WAS THE THE DRIVEWAY THAT HE'S REFERRING TO, I BELIEVE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE ON HERE THERE IS A DRIVEWAY THERE. NOT IN THE FRONT. NO, MA'AM. NOT IN THE FRONT. IT COMES BACK FROM THE NEIGHBORS ACCESS TO THAT HOUSE FROM THE COURTHOUSE ROAD. LOOK. WHAT'S THAT? WE'RE AT. MA'AM. THAT IS NOT THE HOUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE. NO, THIS IS THE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE. I'M ON THE WRONG HOUSE. I'M ON. SORRY. NO. YOU'RE FINE. YEAH. THE ACCESS WAS FOR THE HOUSE AT 5717. BECAUSE THOSE TWO PARCELS WERE TAKEN OFF OF THAT PARCEL RIGHT THERE. RIGHT. ORIGINALLY BUILT WHENEVER THE WHENEVER DONALD HUNTER SOLD THE PARCELS. THIS ONE HERE. THAT IS PRINCE GEORGE. THIS IS. NO, I WOULD THINK. YES, SIR. WHAT? THAT'S RIGHT. WHAT? I RECOMMEND YOU WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING. IF YOU LOOK AT THE. THAT'S THIS HOUSE HERE. DOES IT ALSO COME IN OFF OF IT? COMES IN OFF THE SAME DRIVE? YEAH. SO THIS ONE HAS A 20% REDUCTION FOR ACCESS. IS FRENCH THE ROAD. BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT MAYBE ISN'T A BENEFIT, RIGHT? SO MAYBE MAYBE THIS LOT, HIS LOT WOULD RECEIVE ANOTHER THE SAME 20% BECAUSE WE'RE GIVEN WE'RE GIVEN A HOUSE THAT'S SIMILARLY SITUATED. IT COMES IN OFF THE SAME ROAD. A 20% REDUCTION. YOU KNOW IT'S NOT EXACTLY THE SAME BECAUSE HIS BACKS UP TO THE ROAD. BUT YOU CAN'T PUT A DRIVEWAY IN. SO IT'S KIND OF CORRECT. THE OTHER. SO MAYBE WE GIVE THE HIS HOUSE A 20% REDUCTION ON THE LAND. OKAY. WHAT WOULD THAT BE? I WOULD AGREE IT WOULD BE HELD UP. I DID IT, BUT I HAD TO GET OFF TO LOOK UP THE NEIGHBORS. SO LET ME GO BACK. SO THE OTHER LOT WAS 39,000, WHICH IS, I BELIEVE A HAIR SMALLER. AND THEN. OR IT'S ACTUALLY A SIMILAR SIZE 0.8. IT WOULD BE 46,000 IF, IF YOU HE WERE TO GIVE IT THE SAME 20% REDUCTION. WOULD YOU GIVE ANY ON THE IMPROVEMENT? I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, IT'S IT'S IT'S CLOSE TO THE ROAD. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. YOU DO. YOU DO SEE A FAIR AMOUNT OF CARS GOING BY THERE. OH, YEAH. THERE ISN'T ONE. BUT THEN. I'D BE HESITANT TO TO DO THAT BECAUSE THEN YOU'D HAVE TO SEE ALL THESE OTHER HOUSES. YOU DON'T WANT TO DO A NEW THING WITHOUT HAVING GOOD SOLID DATA. THAT WOULD TELL YOU THAT SO WOULD BE TO NOT IT WOULDN'T GIVE IN TO THE HOUSE ON THE OTHER ONE WAS IT. [03:55:05] I DON'T BELIEVE SO NOW. THERE WAS NO THERE WAS NO EXTERNAL OBSOLESCENCE. APPLIED TO THE HOUSE BEHIND IT FOR ROAD NOISE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. NOPE. HOW ABOUT COMPARISON TO THE OTHER HOUSES IN THE AREA? I'VE GOT SOME ADDRESSES IF YOU WANT TO COMPARE THEM. I'VE GOT THEM. I SUBMITTED THEM IN THE ORIGINAL THING. ONE IS 1557 BOYCE HALL DRIVE. AND THE ASSESSMENT ON THAT WAS 283 500. AND THE ASSESSMENT ON THIS HOME IS. 329 SEVEN. AND I CAN GIVE YOU PARTIAL ID NUMBERS IF THAT HELPS YOU TO. ALL RIGHT. HANG ON A SECOND. LET ME I JUST GOTTA I DON'T TRUST THE GIS SYSTEM BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN UPDATED, SO I GOTTA I GOTTA LOOK IT UP HERE AND THEN SHOW THE SCREEN. OKAY, WE'LL GET TO IT. TRUST ME. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY I UNDERSTAND. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY, MR. PUGH. ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE BOY'S HARD DRIVE LOCATION IS COMPARABLE TO THE COURTHOUSE ROAD? I BELIEVE SO. I'VE GOT THE PROPERTY CARDS HERE SOMEWHERE. BLOCK OF BOYS HOLLOW DRIVE IS ALMOST SURROUNDED BY TRAILER PARK. AND ABOUT A BASEBALL THROW FROM THE PETERSBURG LINE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO IS THAT. I GUESS THAT'S WHY IT'S VALUED THAT WAY. ALL RIGHT, THEN, I'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE. IT'S 4612 COURTHOUSE ROAD, AND THAT ONE IS 284 900. MAYBE A BETTER COMPARABLE AS FAR AS LOCATION. YES, SIR. CAN YOU REPEAT THAT ADDRESS ONE MORE TIME? FOUR. 612 COURTHOUSE ROAD. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN I ALSO HAVE ANOTHER COMPARABLE ON COURTHOUSE ROAD AS WELL. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. SO ON YOUR SCREEN WILL BE 4612. THIS IS A HOUSE BUILT IN THE 70S. 71. WITH THE HEAT PUMP. IT'S A HALF ACRE. AND IT HAS NO NO ADJUSTMENTS FOR INFLUENCER OF ANY TYPE. IN IT ITSELF. WHEN WAS YOUR HOUSE BUILT? I BELIEVE IT WAS BUILT IN OH ONE. I'D HAVE TO. I DON'T HAVE THAT PAPERWORK IN FRONT OF ME. I COULD LOOK, BUT SO THIS ONE'S ABOUT 20, 20 ISH YEARS, RIGHT? 30 YEARS OLDER, 30 YEARS. IF IT WAS BUILT. NO ONE. THIS IS JUST BUILDING 71. AND THEN I HAVE ANOTHER ONE. IT MIGHT BE A BETTER COMPARISON. I THINK IT WAS BUILT AROUND THE SAME TIME AS THIS ONE. BUT THAT ADDRESS IS 4501 COURTHOUSE ROAD. THIS ONE WAS BUILT. 1962. THAT ONE WAS BUILT. BUILT 62. THAT WAS BUILT IN ABOUT 62. YEAH. THAT BRICK RANCHER AND THEN THE ONE BEFORE THAT WAS ALSO BUILT IN 62. 62. IT'S HARD TO FIND THE COMPARABLES TO THAT HOUSE. YOU KNOW THAT I WAS BASING IT OFF OF SQUARE FOOTAGE, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND I FIGURED THAT WAS BEING BRICK AND THIS BEING WOOD AND SIDING. YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU COULD COMPARE THEM OR NOT. I'M NOT SURE. I'M NOT A REALTOR. I'M TRYING TO DO MY BEST I CAN AT THIS. YEAH. SO JASON, WHAT DOES THAT BRING THE ASSESSMENT TO AFTER YOU MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT TO 46 K? THE TOTAL FOR 5713 WOULD BE $318,200. I WROTE IT DOWN THIS TIME SO I WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO BACK. $11,000 DEDUCTION. GIVE OR TAKE IN THAT 46 K IS LESS THAN WHAT HE WAS ASKING FOR. CORRECT? YES, SIR. ON THE LAND. ON THE LAND. I WANT A MOTION, AND I DON'T RECALL SEEING THE CAR. BUT YOU SAID THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 2001. I THINK IT WAS. I'M NOT 100% SURE. 1 OR 2? 1 OR 2 IS OKAY. SOMEWHERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. ANY OTHER HOMES WERE BUILT IN THE 60S. IT WAS. THIS ONE WAS BUILT 70S. IT WAS BUILT IN OH NINE, 2009. OKAY. I MAKE A MOTION THAT THE ASSESSMENT BE CHANGED. THE LAND BE 46. THE HOUSE REMAINED AT 272 TWO, WITH A TOTAL OF THREE. 18. TWO. DO I HAVE A SECOND TO THE MOTION? I SECOND ANY DISCUSSION. [04:00:12] ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSITION? SO, MR. PUGH, WE'VE LOWERED THAT ASSESSMENT DOWN TO 318 200. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU ALL FOR DOING THAT. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL JUMP RIGHT INTO THE NEXT ONE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE IN GRANTCHESTER LAKES. AND THAT IS GOING TO BE SIX, SIX, SEVEN, SEVEN HART SIDE DRIVE. AND THE COMPLAINT I HAVE ON THIS ONE IS IT'S NOT THAT GREAT OF A LOT. IT IS A LARGER LOT IN MANCHESTER, BUT YOU'VE GOT DELINEATED SWAMPLANDS ON IT. SO THE WHOLE RIGHT OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT REALLY USABLE, AND BEHIND IT IS NOT REALLY USABLE BECAUSE IT'S AN ACCESS ISSUE FROM WHERE THE HOUSE IS BUILT. YOU CAN'T BUILD A GARAGE, YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, ACCESS BEHIND THE AND THEN I'VE GOT SOME COMPARABLES THAT I TURNED IN AS WELL, ONES A LOT. AND THEN TWO ARE HOMES AS WELL. AND ON THAT ONE, HOMES ARE IN MANCHESTER. YES, MA'AM. AND THEN ON THAT ONE, I'M REQUESTING THE CURRENT LAND ASSESSMENT IS 92 FIVE, AND I'M REQUESTING THAT TO BE DROPPED TO 50. AND THEN THE IMPROVEMENT, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, KEEP THAT THE SAME AT 231 ONE. AND IF YOU LOOK ON THE GIS WEBSITE ON YOU SHOULD SEE WHERE IT IS DELINEATED SWAMP PLAINS, I MEAN, THERE'S CAT TAILS. FAMILIAR WITH THAT? YES, MA'AM. IT'S A WASH OVER FROM THAT POND. THE QUESTION, JASON, IS WHEN YOU GET IT PULLED UP. IS IT ALREADY? DOES IT ALREADY HAVE THE ADJUSTMENT? FOR WHAT? HERE. HERE'S THE LOT. I'M GOING TO DOUBLE CHECK. HERE'S THE LOT. AND OVER HERE ON THE VERY LEFT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF THIS. YOU CAN BARELY SEE. IT'S GREEN LIKE LINES. THAT'S WHERE THE WETLANDS IS ON THE ON THE LAND. AND THE. THERE IS I BELIEVE, NO ADJUSTMENT. THERE'S NO ADJUSTMENT IN VISION. IT'S JUST RUN THAT RUN AT THE TABLE. SO IT'S I MEAN, IT'S CLIPPING THE EDGE. IT'S THERE. YEAH. YOU KNOW, AND I'M GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IF IF WE WERE TO GO OUT AND VISIT THE PROPERTY, IT COMES UP INTO THE YARD, IT STAYS WET. NICE. IT DOES. IT DOES. I'VE NEVER SEEN IT DRY. I'VE BEEN BY THERE RECENTLY, LIKE TWO DAYS AGO. AND IT WAS A STANDING WATER OR SOMETHING. YES. WHAT IT IS. YOU'VE GOT A POND ACROSS THE STREET AND IT'S GOT A SPILLWAY THAT COMES TOWARDS THAT PROPERTY AND IT'S CONSTANTLY FLOODED. THAT SLOPES DOWN PRETTY GOOD. YES, SIR. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE HOUSE IT GOES LIKE THIS AND DROPS OFF. YEAH IT'S I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T CALL IT A RAVINE BUT IT IS, IT DOES HAVE A LOT OF SLOPE. YEAH. IF YOU LOOK AT THE FOUNDATION, THE FOUNDATION BLOCK IS PROBABLY TWO FEET HIGHER ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE. AND THAT'S THE BIGGEST HOUSE THAT CAN BE PUT THAT COULD HAVE BEEN PUT ON THAT LOT WHEN IT WAS BUILT. SO, SO IF WE WERE TO GIVE IT A 15% REDUCTION FOR, FOR WET LAND, THE VALUE WOULD GO TO $309,600. WELL, I DON'T SEE IT, BUT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING WAS, I, I DON'T AGREE WITH THE EVALUATION ON THE LAND. IN MANCHESTER, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT A LOT WE'RE SAYING IS 92.5. I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE UNHEARD OF. I HAVE NOT SEEN ONE SOLD FOR THAT. I'VE GOT TO, YOU KNOW, LUCK OF LOOKING ON MLS AND AND SEEING SOME STUFF LIKE IT AND NOTHING THAT I'VE SEEN FOR 96,000 OR 92 FIVE. I UNDERSTAND IT IS WATER AND SEWER, BUT BUT REALLY, OTHER THAN THAT, YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING. I ADDED A COUPLE PROPERTY VALUES. ONE JUST SOLD. IT'S LOT G ON TAX ROAD. THAT WAS 49.9. AND THAT HAS WATER AND SEWER THERE. AND THEN I PUT IN 5317 OAK LEAF LANE AND ALSO 7484 TRAILING ROCK ROAD FOR COMPARISONS ON PROPERTY. THERE'S NOT THAT MANY PROPERTIES IN MANCHESTER THAT EQUAL THAT THAT 0.86 I BELIEVE ON [04:05:02] THE ACREAGE. SO I WOULD I WOULD SAY JUST YOU KNOW, THE UNIFORMITY OF IT DOESN'T MAKE MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE TO ME. I THINK THAT WAY IS GOOD. I THINK 50 FOR THAT. NO, IT'S A GOOD PRICE. 32 I DON'T THINK IT'S OUT OF THE ORDINARY AT ALL IN THIS APPLICATION. AND THAT LOT THERE IS NOT A DECENT LOT AT ALL. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF EQUIPMENT. THERE'S A LOT OF WATER STANDING ON IT. I WONDER WHAT THEY PAID FOR WHEN HE BOUGHT IT. PROBABLY ABOUT 25. YEAH, BECAUSE IT WAS ONE OF THE LAST ONES. YEAH, BECAUSE I WAS WANTING TO BUILD ON IT. CAN YOU GO BACK IN THE PAPER TRAIL AND SEE KIND OF WHAT WAS PAID FOR THAT LOT WHEN IT WAS BUILT ON? THAT'S WHAT I WAS DOING NOW. I GOTTA SWITCH TO MY SCREEN. WE DON'T HAVE WE. WITH THE DONNA HENSHAW GOT IT IN 2018. AND IT WAS $0. AND THEN BEFORE THAT. MARK LYNN AT SOME POINT GOT IT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THAT HE'S THE ONE THAT BUILT ON IT. HE'S THE ONE THAT BUILT THE HOUSE. YEAH. WE DON'T ENVISION WE DON'T HAVE THE THE AMOUNT RECORDED. LET ME CHECK ONE OTHER PLACE IN THE PROPERTY NOTES THAT MAY SAY BACK THEN WETLANDS FROM 2019. YEAH. FORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE THE. THAT INFORMATION ENVISION WHAT IT WAS. WHAT WAS THE ASSESSMENT LAST YEAR ON THAT PROPERTY? GIVE ME ONE SECOND. I DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT EITHER. I HAVE NOTHING ON IT. SO THE LAND HAD BEEN 62,000. IT WAS LIKE 42, 47, 55 AND 62 BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THESE 62 EVER STUCK, BUT I THINK THE LAST ONE THAT STUCK WAS 5047 OR 55,000. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WENT UP TO 92,000. YEAH. BUT MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENTS BUILT OUT. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. ALL EXCEPT ONE LOT. YEAH. SO THE SO THIS IS ANOTHER THING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHERE IT'S KIND OF LIKE YOU HAVE A BALLOON AND YOU COULD PUMP UP THE LAND VALUE AND THEN MAKE THE HOUSE VALUE GO DOWN OR, OR VICE VERSA. SO I HAVE PULLED UP. LET ME SWITCH BACK. THERE'S THIS IS THE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. THIS TABLE IS ALL THE SALES THAT OCCURRED IN THE COUNTY FROM 2018 TO CURRENT, BASICALLY. I ADJUSTED THEM UP FOR TIME AND THEN I STRATIFIED BY NEIGHBORHOOD CODE. AND THIS IS NEIGHBORHOOD CODE 2007 FOR, FOR MANCHESTER LAKE. SO WE HAVE 211 SALES GOING BACK TO 2018. WE COMPARED THAT TO THE TO THE ASSESSED VALUES. AND WE CAME UP WITH 91%, WHICH IS NOT DISSIMILAR FROM THE OVERALL COUNTY AT 89. SO EVEN THOUGH THE THAT PART OF THE BALLOON MAY BE PUMPED UP A LITTLE BIT, OVERALL THE VALUES IN THERE ARE FINE. WHEN YOU WHEN YOU COMPARE THEM TO THE SALES. I DIDN'T BRING IT WITH ME, BUT I DO KNOW THERE WAS A LOT SOLD ON HART SIDE FOR I BELIEVE THE GENTLEMAN PAID 50 GRAND FOR IT. AND THAT WAS A HINSHAW AS WELL. THAT WAS A KEN HINSHAW. AND I CAN GIVE YOU THAT PARTIAL NUMBER IF YOU WANT TO LOOK THAT UP. YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. OH, YEAH. IT'S NOT I MEAN, THAT'S SOME EVIDENCE, BUT THE FACT IS YOU HAVE A HOUSE AND A LOT TOGETHER, YOU KNOW. SO IF IT WOULD BE SELLING IT, YOU'D BE SELLING IT FOR ONE MONEY. THE HOUSE AND THE LOT. SO THE MOST APPROPRIATE THING TO COMPARE IT TO IS IT'S SOMETHING COMPARABLE TO IT. YEAH. OKAY. THERE'S NO REASON FOR THAT. YEAH. YOU WANT TO COMPARE IT TO 5317 OAK LEAF LANE? [04:10:01] SURE. AND THE ASSESSMENT ON THAT PROPERTY IS 282 500 IS WHAT I'VE GOT WROTE DOWN. WHAT'S THE LAND ON THAT? I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME. I'LL HAVE TO PULL THE PARCEL UP. I THINK I'LL BE LOOKING AT 55. ALL RIGHT. GOT ALL THESE PROPERTY CARDS. AND CAN YOU REPEAT THAT ADDRESS YOU WANTED? THE ONE YOU WANT. THAT ADDRESS WAS 5317 OAK LEAF LANE, WHICH I'VE GOT IT RIGHT HERE. THE LAND ON THAT IS. I'VE GOT IT, MADAM CHAIRMAN. MADAM CHAIRWOMAN. SO CURRENT VALUATION LAND 52,300, BUILDING TWO 3200 FOR A LOT AND A LOT. SIZE OF 0.35 ACRES. RIGHT. AND THAT LOTS JUST A TAD SMALLER. AND THEN I HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT I PULLED. WHAT'S THE OVERALL TOTAL OVERALL OVERALL TOTAL ASSESSMENT ON THAT PROPERTY FOR 2026. 282 500 SPLIT BUILDING TWO 3200 LAND 52 THREE 1350FT². BUILT 1994. SO THIS LOT, THIS LOTS. LET ME SEE IF THIS RECORD SHOWS UP. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY LOTS IT WAS, BUT SOMEBODY MIGHT HAVE PAID 89.5 FOR IT. 90. 1994 WAS THE SALES HISTORY OF THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE. WHICH HOUSE IS THIS ONE? THIS IS SOME ONE THAT HE WANTED US TO PUT. THIS IS THIS SHOULD BE 5317 OAKLEAF LANE. THAT WAS PRETTY HIGH AND DRY. YEAH, THAT ONE'S ON THE HIGHER SIDE OF OF THE ONES HE'S TALKING ABOUT, THE THE ONE HE THAT DONNA PETERS OWNS WAS PROBABLY ALMOST THE NEXT TO LAST HOUSE BUILT IN MANCHESTER LAKES IN THAT SECTION BECAUSE THE LOT IS SO LOW. AND SO IT'S, IT JUST, IT LOOKS LIKE A PIT IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. AND THE HOUSE IS SITTING RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. OKAY. AND THEN I'VE ALSO GOT ANOTHER PROPERTY IF YOU'D LIKE TO, TO SEE THAT ONE. I MEAN THAT'S SEVEN FOR EIGHT FOR TRAILING ROCK ROAD. AND THE ASSESSMENT ON THAT IS 292 900. AND THAT WAS JUST ON TRACK. I FORGOT TO DO THE FIVE MINUTE THING. I'M SORRY. ARE WE RUNNING OUT OF TIME? NO. YOU'RE FINE. YOU AIN'T NO HURRY. IT'S JUST. JUSTIN. JASON. JUSTIN. I'M NOT IN HERE EITHER. I WAS JUST I JUST REMEMBERED THAT. OKAY, I KNOW SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION. THAT'S MINE. YOU CAN'T MAKE IT. I'VE BEEN TRYING THE WHOLE DAY, JASON. I GOTTA MAKE A MOTION. THAT'S FINE. THAT THIS LOT BE ASSESSED FOR 52,000. THE HOUSE REMAINS AT 231 ONE FOR A TOTAL. I HAVEN'T EVEN DONE MY MATH. CAN YOU REPEAT THE ADDRESS AND I'LL PUNCH IT IN AS YOU SPEAK? 6667 SEVEN. PART SAD, PART 6677 HEART SIDE. SO JUST HOLD UP AND THEN I'LL. I'LL DO IT AS YOU AS WE GO. AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT DOING THE MATH. OKAY. SO YOU WANT TO OVERRIDE THE VALUE OF THE LAND TO. YES, 52,000 EVEN. STEVEN. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. MAKE IT SO, SCOTTY, AND WE WILL DO IT. JUST LIKE ON STAR TREK. 52,000 ON THE LAND. AND THEN THAT WOULD BRING THE TOTAL VALUE TO 283,000, EVEN 183 100. BECAUSE THERE'S A 123 231,100 IS IS BUILDING. OKAY. NOW, I BELIEVE WITH 283. EVEN IF I'M SEEING TWO, I'M SEEING TWO. THAT'S WHAT. THAT'S WHAT THEY PUT DOWN. MAYBE THEY MIGHT HAVE MADE ONE. THAT'S FINE. I'M SURE DONNA WOULD TAKE OFF THE ONE. YEAH. IT'S 231 RIGHT UP HERE. YEP. YEAH. SORRY. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? DID I HAVE A SECOND TO THAT? NO. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? THAT WE CHANGE THE LAND? 52,000. LEAVE THE PROPERTY AT 231 FOR A TOTAL OF 83. [04:15:06] SECONDED. IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. WE'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW. THAT'S RIGHT. YOU DO? I'LL COME BACK TOMORROW. HE JUST LIKES IT SO WELL. OKAY, WELL. WE'RE EARLY. MADAM CHAIRWOMAN, CIRCLE BACK TO SUIT. SUIT? YES. JOHN AND SUSAN'S SUIT. I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE HERE. OKAY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT WE AFFIRM THE ASSESSMENT AS IS. OKAY. MOVE ON. SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. NOW, W FRANCIS BENFORD, WE EARLY AND SHERYL BENFORD, 250. NOT NO LONGER. GOOD AFTERNOON. BOARD. GOOD AFTERNOON. PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. HAVE YOU BEEN GIVEN PERMISSION TO SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF. YES. OKAY. PLEASE STATE YOUR FULL NAME. JUSTIN ROBLIN. AND DO YOU SWEAR OR PROMISE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH TODAY UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY? YES. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. LET'S TAKE ONE AT A TIME, IF YOU DON'T MIND. ALL RIGHT. CAN I THINK WE COULD START? PROBABLY WITH THE EASIER OF THEM. WHICH IS GOING TO BE THE EMPTY PARCEL. THAT IS 240 OH, A000 27 A SHOULD BE RIGHT NEXT TO MAURITIUS. OF COURSE, IT'S PROBABLY THE LAST ONE IN OUR BOOK. WHAT IS THE ADDRESS ON THAT? NO ADDRESS. IT'S EMPTY PARCEL. WHAT'S IT LOST LAST. CURRENT LAND ASSESSMENT 98,100. OKAY. GOT IT. THANK YOU. 1.3 ACRES. YEAH. DUAL ZONED, 1.3 ACRES. EMPTY LOT. AND. I DO NOT SEE WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING. A REDUCTION IN VALUE ON THIS. AND THIS WAS NOT A REQUEST THAT I MADE. I RECEIVED THESE THE OTHER DAY, SO I'VE GONE OVER THEM. I DIDN'T SEE WHERE THEY HAD REQUESTED ANYTHING SPECIFIC, BUT THEY HAD GIVEN COMPARISONS OF OTHER PARCELS THAT WERE SHOWN AS LESSER VALUE. SO MY ASSUMPTION WAS, IS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO GET A REDUCTION IN VALUE BASED ON COMPARISONS IN THE AREA. OKAY. AND I HAVE OTHER COMPARISONS. I KNOW THEY WEREN'T PROVIDED, BUT IT WAS A 12.7 ACRE AT 76 AND A 5.53 ACRES AT 95. YES, YES. SO THE THIS ONE IS ONLY THIS ONE'S 1.3.3 ACRES. AND IT'S A DUAL ZONE. IT'S USED AS COMMERCIAL, BUT IT DOES HAVE RA ON IT. THIS IS WHAT EVERYBODY KNOWS. THIS THE, THE EMPTY LOT NEXT TO MORELLA IS A STATE PARK ON. YEAH, THEY PARK ON. EVERYBODY PARKS ON NOW. YEAH. SO IT'S 1.3. THEY'VE GOT IT VALUED AT 98,100, I THINK. YEAH. 98 ONE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT ONE OF THE COMPARISONS WHICH IS LUCAS IT'S 12.715 ACRES THAT DOES HAVE WETLANDS. BUT IT ALSO HAS A QUITE A BIT MORE USABLE SPACE THAN THE 1.3 ACRES THAT TOTALLY ENCOMPASSES THIS PROPERTY. IT ALSO HAS INFRASTRUCTURE. IT'S GOT PARKING LOT. IT'S GOT MULTIPLE IMPROVEMENTS ON IT. YET IT'S VALUED AT 76,300 FOR 12 ACRES. DOES THIS LOT HAVE PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER? IS IT? WELL, THERE IS PUBLIC WATER IN FRONT OF IT. THE SEWER IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, WHICH WOULD TAKE A A BORE WHICH I JUST PRICED YESTERDAY FOR ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT I'M WORKING ON, WHICH IS BETWEEN 80 AND 120,000 TO BORE SEWER ON THERE. SO THERE IS NOT SEWER READILY AVAILABLE. WHAT IS IT? MIRELES. DO YOU HAVE A SEPTIC? I DON'T KNOW. DO THEY HAVE A SEPTIC? STILL THERE? IT USED TO BE A SEPTIC. I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'VE IMPROVED IT OR NOT. [04:20:03] THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. THEY. THEY'VE JUST JUMPED THAT PRICE UP IN THE LAST 5 OR 6 YEARS FOR PUTTING THAT IN, BECAUSE WE HAD IT DONE UP THE ROAD AND, AND BASED OFF OF THE GIS WATER AND SEWER AVAILABILITY OF THE SEWERS ON THE OTHER SIDE. IT DOESN'T SHOW A JUMP IN THE ROAD. IT DOESN'T SHOW USING ON THE POST OFFICE OR THE BINFORD BUILDING OR THE MORRELL. SO. IF THE COUNTY DOESN'T KEEP THE MAP UPDATED, IT'S HARD FOR CITIZENS TO TELL YOU KNOW WHAT'S THERE. EXACTLY. RIGHT. THE OTHER THE OTHER COMPARISON THERE IS THERE IS ONE MORE COMPARISON. THE 5.53 THAT ONE IS IS DUAL ZONED BUT IS BEING USED RESIDENTIAL. WHICH, WHICH DOES MAKE IT DIFFICULT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, IF THE PURPOSE IS BUT THE ONE DIRECTLY NEXT TO THE PROPERTY IS ALSO DUAL ZONED. IT'S 2.8436 ACRES DUAL ZONE B1 AND R-2. SO IT IS MORE THAN TWICE THE SIZE, SAME ZONING AND TOUCHING THE PROPERTY TO THE OTHER SIDE. AND AND IT'S AT 82,000. SO THIS ONE'S AT 98 ONE. THAT ONE'S TWICE THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY AND AT 82. AND THEN, OF COURSE, LUCAS IS ASTRONOMICALLY BIGGER, HAS PLENTY OF USABLE SPACE AND IS AT 76. SO NONE OF THEM REALLY MATCH UP. IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S ANY RHYME OR REASON TO THEM. ON TOP OF IT, THIS DOESN'T HAVE A PUBLIC ACCESS WITHOUT SHARING THE ENTRANCE. THERE IS NO BREAK IN THE CURB THERE. YOU CAN BREAK A CURB PROBLEM. JASON. VISION. GO DOWN, GO DOWN. YOU SAID OTHERWISE. I MEANT GO UP, THEN. OKAY, OKAY, LET ME ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT. OH, THIS TRACK HERE. THAT TRACK THERE IS DUAL ZONED. IT'S 2.83 ACRES. IT IS ZONED. HALF OF IT IS ZONED B1 AND IT'S VALUED AT 82,000. SO IT'S TWICE THE SIZE AND VALUED AT 17,000 LESS. SHE GOT SOME WETLANDS ON THAT TOO. YES SHE DOES. THE ENTIRE PARCEL OR THE ENTIRE PART OF IT THAT'S ZONED B IS IS USABLE. WELL, I GUESS THE THE RIGHT SIDE MIGHT HAVE SOME WETLANDS TO IT. I'M INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THAT LUCAS SITE IS. OH WISE. YEAH. IT'S EAT UP WITH WETLANDS. I'M NOT SURE HOW BADLY. YEAH. IT'S GOT I MEAN THE, THE IMPROVEMENTS ON LUCAS IS MORE THAN 1.3 ACRES AND AND THAT'S ALL FLAT, YOU KNOW, AND USABLE LAND. SO IT'S THE USABLE PARCEL OF IT IS WELL, THE FRONT OF IT, YOU KNOW EVERYTHING. YEAH. ALL THE, THE WETLANDS IN THE BACK, THE USABLE PARTS IN THE FRONT. YEAH. SO THE, A YOU CAN SCROLL A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN TO LUCAS. IT'S IT'S RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER THERE. OKAY. KEEP GOING. I'M JUST SHOWING. IF YOU POINT OVER HERE TO THE LEFT OF MY. THAT'S WHERE THE THE GREEN IS AND THE WETLANDS IS. OKAY. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S NOT ACTUALLY ON. IT IS. IT'S THE WETLANDS ARE DEFINITELY ON THE PROPERTY. ANYTHING THAT'S NOT CUT ALREADY OF THE PEOPLE THERE INTENSELY THAT BACKS UP TO THIS PROPERTY. IT'S GOT TO CARRY FLOOD INSURANCE FOR THAT LITTLE STREAM. YEAH, YEAH, THAT STREAM FLOOD. SO IF YOU ZOOM IN ON IT AND YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S NOT CUT, WHAT'S NOT MANICURED GRASS, ALL OF THAT IS WETLANDS. WHAT, WHAT? I DON'T DISAGREE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT, LIKE, WHAT'S DELINEATED IS WHEN THE WETLANDS DOESN'T TOUCH THIS PARCEL THAT I CAN SEE FROM THE GI. NOW, MAYBE THE GIS IS WRONG, BUT THE THE GIS LAYER DOESN'T SHOW TOUCHING THAT IT COMES RIGHT UP TO THE EDGE, ACTUALLY. BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WHEN I TURN OFF THIS AREA HERE, LET ME JUST DO THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN DO THAT. YEAH, THERE IT IS. YOU SEE HOW THE WETLANDS IS THIS GREEN THAT RUNS A PROPERTY LINE? IT'S IT'S CLEAR WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE AREA ON. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU KNOW. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S ALL HIGH AND DRY, BUT IT DOESN'T CROSS IT THAT I CAN SEE. OH, YEAH. I DON'T THINK SO. RIGHT NOW, YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT LUCAS. IS THAT. YEAH. LUCAS IS JUST A LITTLE FURTHER INTO THE 12.7 ACRES. SEE HOW MUCH OF IT IS THERE? NEXT ONE NOW. YEAH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS SIX ACRES. WHERE THE BUILDING SITS THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY WETLAND? SOME ON THE LEFT THERE THAT DIDN'T. YEAH, THAT DIDN'T HAVE MUCH ON IT BACK HERE BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T BUILD. [04:25:05] THIS IS HIS SECOND PARCEL AT 12.7 ACRES. DID YOU SAY THAT? YEAH, IT MIGHT BE THAT. BOTH PARCELS TOGETHER. THEY OWN BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER. SO IT MIGHT BE THE TWO COMBINED, BUT THAT ONE IS SIX. 409 IS LUCAS TWO? YEAH. WHERE'S BUREN? UP NEXT ONE UP LIKE SIX, 4 OR 5 UP THAT WAY, LITTLE PIECE. OKAY. 64. 11. IS THAT LUCAS RESTAURANT? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT HAD MUCH WETLANDS ON IT. BUT I KNOW THIS OTHER ONE DID WETLANDS HERE SOMEWHERE. CAN YOU PUT THE WETLANDS BACK ON THERE. I'M SORRY. IS IT WETLANDS. THE WETLANDS BACK ON HERE. IT IS. YEAH, IT I DIDN'T CHANGE IT. OH, OKAY. IT APPARENTLY DOESN'T HAVE IT. THIS CREEK OR WHATEVER. OH, THERE YOU GO. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. WAY BACK BEHIND IT. YOU KNOW, HERE IT IS. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. I KNEW THERE WAS SOME THERE SOMEWHERE. YEAH, WELL, THIS GOES ALL THIS. THIS PARCEL WENT ALL THE WAY BACK TO BAILEY'S TO BLACK WATER SWAMP. RIGHT. SO THIS IS THEY OWN 40 ACRES BESIDE IT, I GUESS. RIGHT. THEY DO THAT ONE. THAT ONE HAS A LOT OF WETLANDS ON IT. THE PARCEL THAT I HAVE IS 240 OH, A0002. DOUBLE ZERO. SO CAN YOU PULL THAT UP IN YOUR SEARCH SCREEN AT THE TOP? RIGHT ON THE MAP? ALL RIGHT, HANG ON. I'M TRYING TO DO A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS. YEAH. CAN YOU REPEAT THAT PARCEL ONE MORE TIME? 240 OKAY. ZERO A TRIPLE, ZERO 200. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THERE'S THAT, AND IT'S THERE'S A 12.715. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT BESIDE LUCAS. YEAH. AND THAT'S THAT'S A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT'S DUAL ZONED THE WETLANDS ARE IN THE BACK, BUT YOU SEE HOW MUCH USABLE LAND IS UP FRONT. AND THEY'VE GOT THAT AT 76,000. YEAH. IS THAT A CREEK THAT'S CUT IN THE FRONT OF THE PARTIAL BLACKWATER SWAMP? WATER SWAMP. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S WHY 76,000 IS STOOD IN 98. I REMEMBER THIS, THAT THAT ONE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING GOING BACK TO THERE. OKAY. I BELIEVE IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I NEED A MOUSE. THE ASSESSMENT ON THIS PROPERTY IS 98 ONE. OKAY. I THINK IT'S OVER A SIX. HERE SHE IS, 82. YOU SAY GIJS IS NOT UP TO DATE, RIGHT, JASON? THE VALUES, UNFORTUNATELY, ARE NOT. SO IT'S SHOWING 82 TWO AND. YEAH, BUT IT'S 98.81. GIVE ME ABOUT 30S AND I'LL HAVE SOMETHING POTENTIALLY TO GO BACK HERE. ALL RIGHT. SO. YOU YOU GUYS VISION. CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? Y'ALL HEAR ME? OKAY, BUT YOU'RE SAYING. YEP. OKAY. YEP. YOU GOT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO GOING BACK TO THE MAP WHERE WE STARTED, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT THE FIRST THING I SEE, I HAVE 3 OR 4 STEPS BEHIND YOU GUYS. WE ORIGINALLY THIS IS THE PERSON WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND IF YOU CAN COMPARE IT TO THE PERSON TO THE NORTH, AND THEY BOTH HAVE SPLIT ZONING. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. SO THE THERE'S A VARIATION IN THE VALUATION AND THE VALUES, BECAUSE THE PARCEL TO THE NORTH IS IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH I BELIEVE DRIVES THE VALUE VERSUS THIS ONE, WHICH IS IN A COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH DRIVES THE VALUE, EVEN THOUGH THEY BOTH HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL AND SOME RESIDENTIAL ZONING. SO I THINK THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. BUT I WOULD NEED VISION TO CONFIRM, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A 90% SURE ABOUT HOW THEY COME UP WITH THE LAND VALUES, BUT THERE'S STILL PARTS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT FUZZY. I'VE ASKED TALKED TO BRIAN CUNNINGHAM REGARDING THIS ISSUE WITH THE SPLIT ZONING, AND HIS ANSWER WAS THEY HAVE PRAISED THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THE PROPERTY. SO. RIGHT. SO SO THE ONE TO THE NORTH, IF IF IT'S GOT B1 ON THAT Y'S END OF THE PRICE TOWARDS B1, IT'S IF IT APPRAISES TO THE HIGHEST AND BEST VALUE ONE. IT'S JUST LIKE ZONING. ZONED FOR THE MOST RESTRICTIVE VALUE. SO IF IT'S GOT B-1 ON IT, IT SHOULD BE VALUED WITH B-1. [04:30:02] THAT ONE ALSO HAS A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. IT'S GOT HOUSE. IT'S GOT A HOUSE ON IT. YEAH. SO I DON'T KNOW. AND THAT MAKES SENSE. I THINK IT'S JUST A UNIFORMITY ACROSS ALL ALL BOARDS. IF IF YOU DO IT FOR ONE, YOU SHOULD DO IT FOR ALL YOU KNOW. AND THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE IS THAT IT'S PICK AND CHOOSE FOR WHATEVER REASON THE TWO PROPERTIES TOUCH EACH OTHER ONCE, TWICE THE SIZE. THEY'RE BOTH DUAL ZONED YOU KNOW, AND AND THE, THE EMPTY PARCEL AT QUESTION HERE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING ON IT. AND IT DOES HAVE RESIDENTIAL, SO WE COULD EASILY USE IT AS RESIDENTIAL. SO SO WHO'S TO SAY THAT WE WOULDN'T DO THE SAME THING AS THE PROPERTY ABOVE IT? THAT ONE HAS A HOUSE ON IT. SO. AND THAT ONE HAS INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS ONE DOESN'T HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE. IT DOESN'T HAVE A CURB. IT DOESN'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE. IT DOESN'T HAVE SEWER AVAILABILITY. IT SHOULD BE LOWER THAN THAT ONE. YET IT'S 17,000 HIGHER. WELL, I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT BECAUSE I OWN TWO HOUSES ON COURTHOUSE ROAD. THAT EVERYTHING ALL THE WAY UP TO WHERE? THE THE CIRCLE IS B ONE SWIPE. ITS THE SHARPIE B ONE. THERE'S A 1965. THEY TOOK A SHARPIE TO IT AND DID 200FT ALONG THE ROAD. YEAH. AND EVERYTHING. B ONE WHERE THE 200FT STARTS AND IT DOES THE SAME WAY THE OTHER WAY, TOO. IT'S A GUESS AT BEST. SO IT'S IT'S WEIRD. SO THIS ONE IS NOT BEING USED FOR COMMERCIAL. IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT HAS DUAL ZONING BUT IT HAS RESIDENTIAL ON IT. IF THE ONE NEXT TO IT, THEY'RE CHOOSING TO PRICE BASED ON RESIDENTIAL. AND IT HAS THE SAME ZONING. WHY CAN'T WE CHOOSE TO PRICE THIS ONE AT RESIDENTIAL? AND IF THIS ONE THEY'RE SAYING YOU HAVE TO USE THE BEST PRACTICE, THEN WHY WOULDN'T YOU DO IT ON THE ONE NEXT TO IT? YOU KNOW, IT'S UNIFORMITY. AND THAT'S WHAT ASSESSMENTS ARE BASED OFF OF, IS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE EQUITABLE AND UNIFORMED ACROSS THE COUNTY. WELL, LET ME LET ME CLARIFY THAT FOR JUST A SECOND. JUSTIN, ARE YOU ARGUING THAT THIS PARCEL IN QUESTION SHOULD BE ZONED OR SHOULD BE VALUED AS RESIDENTIAL? YES, BECAUSE THE PARCEL NEXT DOOR TO IT, WITH A HOUSE ON IT THAT'S IN USE AS RESIDENTIAL, IS VALUED AS RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE THIS ONE IS NOT IN USE FOR ANYTHING. NOW, IF THIS HAD A BUSINESS ON IT, THEN IT WOULD, BUT IT'S NOT USED FOR IT. IT'S THEY'VE OPTED TO DO IT AS A FAVOR, BUT IT'S NOT ZONED FOR IT. IT'S NOT USED FOR IT. IT'S IT'S IT'S ZONE B ONE RIGHT. IT'S DUAL ZONE. IT'S ZONED RA2. I DON'T THINK IT'S IN THE BACK 200FT. YEAH I DON'T THINK ANYBODY REALIZED FROM THE FRONT OF THE FROM THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY. YEAH. CAN YOU, CAN YOU ADD ZONING UNDER THAT. SO WE CAN SEE ON THAT PARCEL. YOU CAN OVERLAY ON YOUR TOOLS. YES. GIVE ME ONE SECOND. BECAUSE THERE IS ENOUGH ROOM TO BUILD A HOUSE. AND I HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO BUILD HOUSES, AND. AND I'LL GLADLY TALK TO MISS BENFORD ABOUT BUILDING A HOUSE ON IT. YOU CAN PUT A HOUSE ON THAT BACK END OUTSIDE OF THE WETLANDS. IT LOOKS LIKE THIS. THIS PROPERTY IS 90. I WOULD SAY 80. 89% ZONED RED, WHICH IS COMMERCIAL. AND THEN ONLY THE BACK PART IS RA. SO IF YOU SCROLL UP TO THE TOP ONE, IT'S ABOUT 50, 50, MAYBE 60. YEAH. THAT COURTHOUSE ROAD CORRIDOR. IT'S HARD TO CONVINCE ME THAT THAT HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THAT LAND IS RESIDENTIAL. THAT IS A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. AS IT GROWS, IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE AN INCREASINGLY DENSE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. THAT'S WHY IT'S B ONE. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S COMMERCIAL LAND. SO HOW IS THE ONE NEXT TO IT THAT'S ALSO DUAL ZONED ALLOWED TO BE TAXED AT RESIDENTIAL? I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S NOT AN EQUALITY ISSUE HERE. THERE MAY BE THE FACT THAT IT'S IN USE AS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY CURRENTLY MATTERS. YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF AS THAT OLD HOUSING STOCK GETS TORN DOWN AND REDEVELOPED INTO COMMERCIAL. IT'S KIND OF THAT TRANSITION TIME. IT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT PARCEL IS, I THINK. RIGHT. BUT THIS ONE IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE ALONG COURTHOUSE ROAD ADJACENT TO COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. SO THIS ONE BEING A VACANT LAND WITHOUT INFRASTRUCTURE DOESN'T, DOESN'T EQUATE TO A LESS VALUE THAN THAT. SO AGAIN, I SAID THIS ONE BEING A VACANT LAND WITH NO INFRASTRUCTURE DOESN'T EQUATE TO A LESSER VALUE ON IT. YEAH. I'M NOT I'M NOT VALUING THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW. I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT THE THE THEORY THERE IS COMMERCIAL FOR SURE. WE'RE TRANSITIONING OUT OF RESIDENTIAL INTO COMMERCIAL. HOW DO WE VALUE THAT? SHOULD BE FAIR AND EQUITABLE. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE WAS AN ARGUMENT IN HERE, SOMETHING ABOUT THE PAVEMENT ON FOR MORELIA AND HOW THAT WAS TAXED. [04:35:02] ALL THAT MAY BE TRUE. ALL THAT MAY BE RIGHT. I CAN'T GET ON BOARD WITH THAT BEING A RESIDENTIAL LOT. THAT'S I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. SO HOW DO WE. AND JASON'S BEEN GOOD AT HELPING US EQUALIZE SOME OF THESE THAT HAVE BEEN OUT OF WHACK TODAY? AND I THINK WE'VE DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB WITH THAT. SO, GUYS, I'M. CURIOUS TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS. I MEAN, WERE YOU THINKING THAT THAT'S A RESIDENTIAL PARCEL? NO. OKAY. YEAH, I DON'T THINK TO TO EQUALIZE IT. YOU COULDN'T BECAUSE THEY'RE THERE EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE SIDE BY SIDE. THERE'S LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, USE OR WHATEVER. SO THEN DO YOU COMPARE IT TO THE THE VACANT LOT THAT LUCAS HAS. THAT'S 12 ACRES. THAT IS 20,000 LESS, 22,000 LESS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S 12 ACRES VERSUS 1.3. IT'S ALSO DUAL ZONED. I HAVE A HARD TIME COMPARING IT TO 12 ACRES AS WELL. THIS 12 ACRES, YOU COULDN'T EVER PUT A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE MAYBE CONTRACTOR PARKING BECAUSE OF IT. BECAUSE IT'S ONLY IN THE L SHAPE THERE, YOU KNOW. SO MAYBE THEY'D LET A CONTRACTOR PARK YOUR TRUCK THERE OR SOMETHING. MAYBE. BUT AT LEAST ON THESE OTHER ONES, YOU HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF A BUILDING UP IN THE FRONT. YOU KNOW, WHERE THIS ONE YOU COULDN'T COMPARE. IT'S JUST YOU'RE COMPARING APPLES AND ORANGES. YOU KNOW, IT'S 12 ACRES VERSUS ONE OR WHATEVER, AND, YOU KNOW, 80% COMMERCIAL VERSUS 10% COMMERCIAL ZONING. I HAD THAT LOT LISTED. I COULDN'T GIVE IT AWAY. AND THE ONLY PERSON THAT WOULD BUY IT WAS THE GUY AT LUCAS BECAUSE OF THE THE NARROWNESS IN THE FRONT. THERE WAS A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS TO WHAT YOU COULD DO WITH IT. SO IT WAS IT WASN'T A PRETTY PIECE OF LAND. IT WENT LIKE, THIS IS HOW IT DID. AND IT WAS NOT A GOOD PIECE OF LAND. AND YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO DO WHAT WE HAD TO DO, TRY TO GET A PRICE ON IT. AND, AND, AND EVIDENTLY MY PRICE WAS WAY TOO HIGH BECAUSE I THINK HE PLAYED WAY. HE PAID A LOT LESS THAN WHAT I HAD IT LISTED FOR, SO. BUT IT WAS NOT A GOOD PIECE OF LAND. YEAH. COUNTY VISION. IT LOOKS GOOD AS IS TO ME. YEAH. SO I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING. SO IS THERE A INFLUENCE FACTOR ON IT FOR NOT HAVING ACCESS FROM THE ROAD, HAVING TO BREAK THE CURB? AND IS THERE AN INFLUENCE FACTOR FOR NOT HAVING SEWER WITHOUT SPENDING 80 TO $120,000 TO GET SEWER TO IT? AND IS THERE AN INFLUENCE FACTOR FOR THE FACT THAT THERE IS WETLANDS ON IT, WHILE GIS DOESN'T SHOW IT? ANYBODY WHO LOOKS AT IT KNOWS THERE'S WETLANDS ON IT. THERE SHOULD BE INFLUENCE FACTORS FOR ALL THREE OF THEM. IT STAYS VERY WET. YEAH, WE WE DO HAVE I BELIEVE THIS IS 27 A THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING CURRENTLY. THE 1.3 ACRE TRACK, IT HAS A 5% REDUCTION FOR WETLAND. THERE ARE ANY ANY OTHER THERE ARE ANY OTHER LAND ADJUSTMENTS ON THEIR LAND INFLUENCE FACTORS. SO INCREASE THE WETLANDS ADJUSTMENT. INCREASE THE WETLANDS ADJUSTMENT. I MEAN, THERE'S NO ACCESS TO PROPERTY, REALLY, UNLESS THEY GET A VDOT APPROVAL, AND VDOT IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GET THEM APPROVAL. GET ON THAT. WE DON'T WE DON'T KNOW THAT FOR THE CURB CUT FOR SURE, BECAUSE THEY DO. IF YOU GIVE ME ONE SECOND TO TAKE ANYTHING OFF, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CURB. IT'S HARD TO TELL EXACTLY, BUT YOU HAVE SOME PAVING RIGHT HERE. YOU SEE THAT? IT LOOKS LIKE A CURB CUT. THAT'S MORRELL'S. I'M SORRY. SORRY. I'M SORRY. LET ME. LET ME SHOW YOU THIS. YOU HAVE THESE FEW PARKING SPOTS UP AT THE FRONT WHERE THERE IS A CURB RIGHT HERE. I BELIEVE THIS IS A CURB CUT TO DO WITH THAT. AND THEN THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DISTURB THAT THERE ALREADY. YOU'RE RIGHT. SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF PAVING ON THIS ONE SMIDGE. AND THERE IS A CURB CUT THERE. AREAS. YES, MA'AM. SO I DON'T THINK A VOTE. YOUR PLEASURE ON THE ON THE ON THE WHATEVER YOU WANT, BUT I DON'T THINK AN ACCESS ONE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'LL DO. THEY HAVEN'T APPLIED FOR ANYTHING. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT VDOT WILL DO. MAYBE THE WETLAND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER Y'ALL WANT. [04:40:03] I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO INCREASE THE 5% WETLANDS ADJUSTMENT TO TEN. CAN I ALSO REQUEST SOMETHING FOR THE SEPTIC? BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE 80 TO 120,000 TO GET SEPTIC. AND IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S OBVIOUSLY A BUSINESS, THEN IF IT'S A BUSINESS, THEN WE'RE REQUIRED TO CONNECT TO SEPTIC. WITHOUT THAT, THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL MASSIVE COST ON THE PROPERTY. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WHAT THAT COST IS GOING TO BE WHEN IT'S DEVELOPED A YEAR FROM NOW, 20 YEARS FROM NOW, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT CONNECTION FEE AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS WILL BE ON THAT. WELL, I JUST PRICED IT ON COURTHOUSE AND I GOT IT FROM PERKINSON AND IT'S 80 TO 120,000 TO EITHER BORE OR CUT A ROAD. IT'S COURTHOUSE ROAD. SO YOU'RE NOT CUTTING IT. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SHUT DOWN COURTHOUSE ROAD TO CUT A SEPTIC. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BORE IT. THAT'S A WELL-KNOWN PRACTICE. IT'S 80 TO 120,000 TO GET SEPTIC THERE. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S MY POINT. IT'S TODAY THAT'S THE PRICE. BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO GO DOWN. WE PROBABLY PAY. PROBABLY NOT. PROBABLY NOT. SO WHAT WE GET IN DINWIDDIE WAS 127,000 OFF ALL COSTS RIGHT. I THINK YOU CAN GET INTO VALUING SITES BASED ON THE SEPTIC AVAILABILITY. YEAH DEFINITELY. ON THE SUBJECT OF AVAILABILITY THE CURRENT COST OF SERVICES WITH NO INTENTION TO DEVELOP TODAY. I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE WITH THAT, BUT HEY, HOW COULD I BE CONVINCED? I MEAN, I WANT TO GO HOME AT SOME POINT TODAY. WHAT WOULD BE THE WHAT'S THE WHAT WOULD BE THE AMOUNT IF YOU WERE TO GO FROM 5 TO 10? IT WOULD REDUCE IT TO 93,000 EVEN. LET ME PUT THAT BACK ON THE SCREEN. SO IT WOULD BE, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A 5% REDUCTION. 93. EVEN STEVEN, HIS MOTION WAS 4 TO 10. HIS MOTION WAS TO TEN. WELL YEAH THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. GOING FROM 5% REDUCTION TO 10% REDUCTION. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. SO IF YOU RIGHT, RIGHT NOW IT'S A 0.9. SO IT'S A 10% REDUCTION. MULTIPLYING AT TIMES 0.9 IS THE SAME THING IS TAKING AWAY 10%. SO PULL THAT GIS MAP BACK UP, JASON. YES, SIR. AND LET'S GO THROUGH WITH THAT. THAT'S 93,000 FOR THAT LOT AND MOVE DOWN THE PAGE. AND LET'S COMPARE ALL FOUR OF THOSE FOR EQUALIZATION PURPOSES. ALL RIGHT. SO THE ONE. ALL RIGHT. YOU AND ME. ALL RIGHT. LET ME JUST GIVE ME WE JUST DID IN ITS SIZE, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. GIVE ME ONE SECOND. I GOTTA PULL IT UP IN VISION. THREE. SO YOU WANT TO COMPARE THIS ONE TO THE WHERE THERE WAS ACTUAL BUILDING WHERE THE MEXICAN RESTAURANT IS? YES. JUST FOR LAND. JUST FOR THE LAND PLAN? YES. CORRECT. AND IT'S ON A HALF AN ACRE. AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT ONE AND THE BENFORD BUILDING SHARE THE WELL THAT'S IN BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM. POSSIBLE? THAT'S VERY POSSIBLE. SO THEY HAVE A A DEEP WELL, AND THEY HAVE SEPTIC INSTALLED. SO THIS LAND. THEY BRING IT BACK UP ON THE SCREEN WHERE THE MEXICAN RESTAURANT IS SITTING. IS 59,200. AND SO THAT'S WHERE IT IS TODAY. YEP. AND AND THE BEND FOR BUILDING IS SITTING ON POINT EIGHT. YEAH. NO, THIS IS FOR WHERE LUCAS IS. IT'S 59 259 TWO. YEP. MORELLI IS RIGHT. YEAH. I USED TO BE LUCAS, I THINK. I THINK THEY'RE LOW. I THINK FOR A HALF ACRE YOU CAN PUT A BUILDING ON. THAT'S LOW. ARE THERE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THAT? 59 FIVE? NO, SIR. THEY'RE THERE, BUT THEY'RE ALL AT ONE, WHICH MEANS THEY'RE NOT IN THE ADJUSTMENT. WHAT'S THE ZONING ISSUE? THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. I DO I DO NOT KNOW. IN TIMES PAST, IT MAY HAVE BEEN PRICED A DIFFERENT WAY, AND THEY MAY HAVE GIVEN SOME DISCOUNT FOR IT NOT BEING ENTIRELY, BUT MOSTLY BUSINESS. YOU KNOW, SO IN A DIFFERENT WAY OF THINKING, SOMEBODY COULD HAVE SAID 10% OFF FOR IT NOT BEING ALL COMMERCIAL. YEAH. PART OF ITS ZONED COMMERCIAL. PART OF RESIDENTIAL. YEAH. IT'S THE SAME RATE. [04:45:01] SIMILAR RATIO. IT'S LIKE 80, 20 YEARS IN THE BALLPARK OF THAT. BUT OR DID YOU WANT TO SEE THE NEXT ONE DOWN? ARE YOU. YES. THE ASSESSMENT ON THAT, PLEASE. ONE SECOND, I'M GONNA PULL THAT ONE UP. 240 A000268. ALL RIGHT, SO THIS ONE I PULLED UP. THIS ONE IS 0.8 OF AN ACRE. IT'S HAS NO ADJUSTMENTS. AND IT'S AT 104,002. AND THAT'S THE ONE WHERE I THINK IT'S A TWO STOREY OFFICE BUILDING OR SOMETHING. THAT'S RIGHT. BUT IT ALSO HAS PAVEMENT ON IT AND EVERYTHING AROUND IT. THERE IS PAVING THERE. LET ME SEE IF IT. YEAH, IT IS BEING VALUED. YES. THAT'S CORRECT. 15,000 FLAT. I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I'M JUST SITTING HERE LOOKING AT THIS. A HALF AN ACRE IN THE MIDDLE. THERE'S $59,200 FOR THE LAND. THAT'S. THAT'S PRETTY LOW. YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY, I THINK ALL I THINK ALL OF THE VALUES, DEFINITELY THE TWO IMPROVING PROPERTIES ARE LOW. THE THE RESTAURANTS DEFINITELY LOW. THE OFFICE BUILDING IS QUESTIONABLY LOW. THE RESTAURANT PARCEL IN THE MIDDLE, IT'S TRIANGULAR SHAPED. I MEAN, IT SHOULD GET A LITTLE BIT OF A HIT FOR ITS SHAPE. THE WETLANDS IN THE BACK CORNER? I DON'T THINK SO. THAT'S GOING TO BE SET BACK ANYWAY WHEN IT'S DEVELOPED. SO. BUT 59,200. NOT REALLY IN THE BUSINESS OF GOING UP ON VALUES HERE, BUT GOING THAT'S IF WE'RE EQUALIZING THESE PROPERTIES, THREE PROPERTIES, WE CAN'T CHANGE THAT. BECAUSE IF YOU WERE TO COMPARE THIS TO THE SAME THING, I KNOW IT'S DIFFERENT THINGS. BUT OVER THERE ON OAKLAWN BOULEVARD, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE MCDONALD'S AND THE STUFF LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE. THOSE ARE $1.5 MILLION. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE DIFFERENT TRAFFIC COUNTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT 300 AND SOME ODD THOUSAND FOR A BUILDING. WELL, AND IF YOU IF YOU COMPARE IT TO THE COUNTY OWNED PROPERTY WHERE THEY BOUGHT THE MOTEL AND HAVE IT CURRENTLY FOR SALE, THE ASSESSMENT ON THAT ONE IS 21,000. AND THAT'S TWO AND A HALF ACRES COMMERCIAL RIGHT OFF THE INTERSTATE. IF YOU WANT TO COMPARE IT TO ONE THAT THE COUNTY OWNS THAT USED TO HAVE A SCHOOL ON IT ON 460. THAT ONE'S 9500. THAT'S AN ACRE AND A HALF COMMERCIAL. I MEAN, WE CAN COMPARE ALL DAY LONG ON ON COMPARISONS, ON COMMERCIAL AND AND WE CAN GO HIGH OR LOW. YOU CAN CHERRY PICK ANYTHING AND GET IT THE WAY YOU WANT TO GET IT. YEAH. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THEM EQUALIZE THESE THESE THESE THREE EITHER RIGHT IN A ROW. RIGHT. BUT WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT OAKLAWN AND WE START TALKING ABOUT OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTY. I HAD COME UP IN ANOTHER DISCUSSION TODAY AS WELL. DO I HAVE ANY THOUGHTS FROM THE BOARD OF THE LORD? FROM THE LORD? YES. WE WE NEED TO HAVE A MOMENT. AT THE BOARD. YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT YOU SAID THE LORD. NO, I SAID THE BOARD. YOU WERE TRYING TO PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. MY MY ASKING. I THINK IT WOULD BE THE SIMPLEST WAY TO LOOK AT IT IS THE FOUNDATION OF VALUE IS WHAT THEY HAVE SET. AND IT'S BEEN MADE VERY CLEAR. WE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE FOUNDATIONAL VALUES IN THE COUNTY, BUT THERE SHOULD BE A CONSIDERATION FOR WETLANDS AND THE AVAILABILITY OF SEWER SEWERS NOT THERE ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD. THERE SHOULD BE A CONSIDERATION FOR THAT, AND THERE SHOULD BE A CONSIDERATION FOR WETLANDS LEAVE THE FOUNDATION OF VALUES WHERE THEY HAVE THEM SET, AND GIVE US A DISCOUNT PERCENTAGE VALUE ON THE TWO OF THOSE THINGS AND WHAT THE PROPERTY FALLS. THAT IS WHAT IT FALLS AT. I THINK THAT'S THE MOST FAIR AND EQUITABLE WAY THAT THE COUNTY STRUCTURES THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY'RE SET ON VALUES AND THEY'RE SET ON, ON FORMULAS FOR FOR THE CAMERA SYSTEM. AND AT THIS POINT, AND UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO REVISIT WHAT I HAD ASKED SEVERAL WEEKS AGO ABOUT LOOKING AT FOUNDATIONAL VALUES THROUGH THE WHOLE COUNTY THEN YOU LEAVE THOSE THE SAME, AND YOU GIVE US A DISCOUNT FOR FOR SEWER AVAILABILITY AND FOR WETLANDS. [04:50:03] THE PARKING PAVEMENT THAT'S ON THIS PROPERTY IS MIRELES OR ANY NET PARCEL FROM THE BENFORD'S GIFT. IT'S SO. IT'S A FAVOR TO MORELLI. OKAY. DOES IT BRING ANY VALUE? YEP. BUT THEY COULD. THEY COULD TAKE IT AWAY TOMORROW. YEP. OKAY. IT'S NOT PART OF THE LEASE. MADAM CHAIR, THERE WAS A MOTION. NO MOTION. THERE HASN'T BEEN. YEAH. I MADE A MOTION. OH, I'M SORRY TO APPLY THE EXTRA 5% WETLANDS. OKAY. I DON'T BELIEVE WE FINISHED THAT. YOU SECOND IT. WAIT A MINUTE, I THINK. DID. DID WE HAVE A SECOND? NO, MA'AM. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. I THOUGHT IT DIED. THOUGHT I SECOND, BUT I THOUGHT THE MOTION DIED WITHOUT NO SECOND. OKAY. ARE YOU SECONDING THAT? I THINK I SECOND IT. DID YOU? I THINK SO. OKAY. TAKE THE MOTION. MAKE A MOTION. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION AGAIN. THE PARTIAL IN QUESTION. I GUESS IT'S A027 ALPHA. TO INCREASE THE 5% WETLANDS DISCOUNT TO TEN SECOND, A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? A DISCUSSION, I'M SORRY. DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SO THAT WILL TAKE IT DOWN TO WHAT? JASON? 93. EVEN 93,000. EVEN 90,000. EVEN 93. OKAY. WE HAVE ANOTHER PARCEL. NEXT PARCEL IS TWO SIDE BY SIDE. AURELIUS AND BENFORD BUILDING. WHAT IS THAT ADDRESS TO YOU? 6615 AND 6619. HERE'S AN EXTRA ONE OF THIS. THANK YOU. SO WHAT ARE YOU ASKING FOR HERE? THE ASPHALT TAX ON THIS HAS NOT BEEN EQUALLY APPLIED. COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. BOTH THIS LOT AND THE ONE NEXT TO IT SHARE ASPHALT. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PARCELS ON THE COUNTY'S OWN MAP, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S SUBSTANTIALLY LESS. YET THE FACTUAL VALUES ARE. DO WE WANT TO WAIT FOR JASON UNTIL HE GETS BACK JUST SO HE CAN HEAR YOU? SORRY. THANK YOU FOR LAUREN. NO, WE DIDN'T KNOW. I FORGOT FOR A SECOND. THIS LOOKS LIKE THIS PASTOR ALSO HAS JOINT. YEAH, IT DOES WITH THE OFFICE BUILDING. YEP. THEY WERE TRYING TO START WITHOUT YOU, JASON. I COULDN'T HOLD IT ANY LONGER. I'M SORRY. I ALMOST ASKED FOR A BREAK. BUT YOU WANTED TO DISCUSS THE ONE TO THE SOUTH. THE TWO OF THEM SIDE BY SIDE. OKAY. BOTH OF THEM HAVE SAME ISSUES. IT'S 6615 AND 6619. ALL RIGHT. THE ISSUE IS THE ASPHALT TAX IS NOT BEING APPLIED EQUALLY ACROSS COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. BOTH THIS LOT AND THE PARCEL NEXT TO IT SHARE ASPHALT. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PARCELS ON THE COUNTY'S OWN MAP, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A SUBSTANTIALLY LESS AMOUNT OF ASPHALT ON PARCEL 260. [04:55:07] YET THEY ARE VALUED ALMOST IDENTICAL. IT'S ABOUT A 4000 SQUARE FOOT DIFFERENCE BASED ON GIS MAP. AND THAT'S TAKING THE ENTIRE PAVED AREA, SUBTRACTING THE BUILDING ITSELF. IT'S ABOUT A400 ZERO SQUARE FOOT DIFFERENCE. IT'S LIKE 13,000 ON ONE AND 17,000 ON THE OTHER. MORELLI IS BEING THE SMALLER. THE THOUGHT IS, IS THAT MAYBE THEY WERE APPLYING THE PAVEMENT ON THE EMPTY LOT TO MARILYN'S. WOULDN'T. SURE. BUT, YOU KNOW THAT WAS A GUESS TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, USE UP THAT, THAT PAVEMENT. AND THE ISSUE IS, IS, FOR ONE, THE ASPHALT TAX ISN'T CLEARLY DEFINED. IT'S A NEW THING FOR THE COUNTY. IT HADN'T BEEN USED IN PRIOR YEARS TO ANYBODY'S KNOWLEDGE. I'D HEARD SOMEBODY SAY THAT THERE WAS ONE PARCEL. IN PREVIOUS YEARS IT HAD BEEN TAXED. BUT THIS IS BASICALLY A NEW THING FOR THE COUNTY THAT EVEN THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAD NO IDEA WAS WAS COMING ABOUT ON. BUT IN THE VALUE BOOK, IT SAYS THAT IT'S TAXED AT $2 A SQUARE FOOT. YET ON HERE IT'S AT A DOLLAR A SQUARE FOOT. AND THEN ON SOME PARCELS IT'S A FLAT TAX. SO YOU HAVE A PARCEL DOWN THE STREET. LET'S SEE. IT'S 6550 REDWOOD LANE. IT'S ANOTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTY RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. IT'S WHITES AUTOMOTIVE. AND THEY HAVE A FLAT TAX ON ASPHALT OF. IT'S GOT ZERO UNITS, BUT IT'S TAXED AT $9,400 FOR THE PROPERTY. AND THEN YOU HAVE THP ENTERPRISES, WHICH IS ANOTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. 5716 COURTHOUSE. THAT'S THE ROUNDABOUT. SO THAT'S WHERE PRINCE GEORGE'S ELECTRIC CO-OP USED TO BE. AND I THINK IT'S STILL THE HERB BASKET OR OR SOMETHING. I THINK IT'S A POIRIER INVESTMENTS TOO. THEY HAVE A ZERO UNIT AT $10,000 VALUE. SO SOME OF THEM, THEY'RE DOING SQUARE FOOTAGE, SOME OF THEM THEY'RE DOING FLAT. AND THEN AS DISCUSSED WITH THE BOE PRIOR, THE TRAILER PARKS IN THE COUNTY ARE ALL COMMERCIAL. AND ALL OF THE ROADS IN THE TRAILER PARKS ARE PRIVATE ROADS. THEY SERVE THE SAME PURPOSE AS A PARKING LOT. THEY'RE ALL ASPHALT, BUT THEY ARE NOT CHARGED ANYTHING FOR THEIR ASPHALT. SO IT'S STILL A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. IT'S STILL FOR THE PUBLIC TO TO TRAVERSE AND PARK ON. YET IT DOESN'T CARRY A TAX AT ALL. ON TOP OF THAT, THE TAX IS CODED AS OUTBUILDINGS. IT'S NOT CODED AS COMMERCIAL YET. RESIDENTIAL IS NOT TAXED ON IT. SO THEY ARE ONLY CHOOSING TO TAX COMMERCIAL IN AN OUTBUILDING CODE, AND THEY ARE SELECTIVE ON WHAT TYPE OF ASPHALT THEY'RE TAXING FOR. AND THEN THE TAX THAT THEY DO DECIDE TO IMPLEMENT, THEY EITHER DO IT AS A BULK RATE OR AS A SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO THERE'S NO UNIFORMITY AND NO CONSISTENCY ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTY ON IT. JASON. GENERALLY COMMERCIAL. IT SHOULD BE MEASURED. SQUARE FOOT IS GETTING VALUED BY THE SQUARE FOOT, RESIDENTIAL AND USUALLY FLAT VALUE AND TRY TO BE CONSISTENT WITH IT. WELL, THEY DON'T TAX RESIDENTIAL. SO WHAT IS YOUR ASK? WHAT DO YOU WHAT ARE YOU ASKING FOR THE PAVING TO BE CHANGED TO. I MEAN, IF I'M ASKING I'M ASKING FOR Y'ALL TO REMOVE THE ASPHALT TEXT AS A WHOLE BECAUSE IT'S NOT BEEN DONE UNIFORMLY, IT'S NOT BEEN DONE CORRECTLY. IT'S IT'S PICK AND CHOOSE. IT'S SQUARE FOOTAGE BULK PRICE. IT'S IN THE WRONG CODE SYSTEM. MY ASK IS TO REMOVE IT ON THIS ONE AND THEN IN ESSENCE, REMOVE IT ON THE ENTIRE COUNTY. IT'S NEVER BEEN USED BEFORE IN THE COUNTY, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN IMPLEMENTED PROPERLY AT ALL. DO YOU KNOW WHEN IF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAD NO INFORMATION, THEY WERE CHARGING AN ASPHALT TAX AND YOU IMPLEMENTED IT? VISION IMPLEMENTED IT. IS IT? I BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS BEING TAXED IN TIMES PAST. THE PRIOR YEARS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC HAD ZERO ON EVERY COMMERCIAL BUILDING. SO THE WHAT THE THE PUBLIC COULD FIND, IT WAS THE ZERO TAX UNTIL THIS YEAR. OKAY. LET JASON. YEAH. I JUST FROM MEMORY. I REMEMBER MEASURING PAVING AND STUFF LIKE THAT FOR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. WHEN I, YOU KNOW, CAME LAST TIME, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, LIKE, SPECIFICALLY SOME OF THE LARGE INDUSTRIAL [05:00:09] BUILDINGS HAD IT ON THE RECORDS AND I WAS LOOKING AT THE THE DEFUNCT ROLLS-ROYCE PLANT. AND I WAS, BECAUSE OF THAT GOING TO COURT. AND SO I HAD TO LOOK IN THE RECORDS, AND I'M PRETTY SURE CAROL MIGHT KNOW OFFHAND THAT THEY HAD PAVING ON THAT GOING BACK IN TIME, LIKE TO 2000. AND STUFF LIKE THAT IN 2000, WHENEVER IT WAS BUILT. SO I, I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S NORMAL, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE STATE FOR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS TO HAVE BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T OPERATE THAT BUSINESS. YOU COULDN'T LIKE IF IT WAS MUD AND PARKING LOT. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WOULDN'T SHOW UP. THEY WOULDN'T COME AND EAT AT THAT RESTAURANT BECAUSE IT WAS GRAVEL OR WHATEVER. SO IT DOES CONTRIBUTE VALUE, YOU KNOW, AS A WHOLE, I THINK SO. SO IF JUST GOING SO THE ONLY WAY TO EQUALIZE, WE CAN'T EQUALIZE ACROSS THE COUNTY. IF THIS ONE'S LIKE 15, IF THE ONE BESIDE IS 15 THEN MAYBE THIS ONE SHOULD BE LIKE EIGHT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, SO MAYBE MORELIA SHOULD BE EIGHT BECAUSE IT IS SMALLER. AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT I WOULD BE ABLE TO EQUALIZE. BECAUSE HE'S CORRECT. THE METHODOLOGY SOMETIMES IS MEASURED, SOMETIMES IT'S FLAT VALUED. SECOND. YES. SO I, I ACTUALLY BROUGHT THIS ISSUE UP TO ROCKHAMPTON THROUGH THE STATE. JOHN, CAN YOU SPEAK UP, PLEASE? YES. I BROUGHT THIS. I BROUGHT THIS ISSUE UP TO ROD COMPTON WITH HIS STATE, AND HE SAYS IT IS FAIRLY TYPICAL TO ASSESS FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WITH THIS ASSESSMENT. WITH ASPHALT. YEAH. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT A CODE. I'M SAYING THAT I BELIEVE THAT THEY IMPLEMENTED THE CODE INCORRECTLY. THEY DIDN'T DO IT IN THE RIGHT CODE SECTION. IF IT'S IMPLEMENTED IN OUTBUILDINGS, THEN IT SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED ACROSS THE ENTIRE COUNTY, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, INSTEAD OF BEING A COMMERCIAL CODE. IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS IS NEW TO THE COUNTY. WHILE WE MIGHT REMEMBER THAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN ON ONE PARCEL THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT UNIFORM ACROSS THE COUNTY, WHICH IS WHAT ASSESSMENTS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE FAIR AND UNIFORM ACROSS THE COUNTY, EQUITABLE. AND AND IT'S NOT IT'S IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM IS IT EQUITABLE. NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. IT'S UNIFORM. NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. IT'S FAIR. BECAUSE THERE'S THEY PICK AND CHOOSE. JASON? YES, MA'AM. YOU ALL CANNOT IMPLEMENT A TAX IF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS NOT APPROVED TODAY. IS THAT CORRECT? THIS IS NOT WHAT? IT'S NOT A SEPARATE LEVY. IT'S. IT'S PART OF THE REAL ESTATE TAX. SO THEY DON'T NEED TO HAVE. THEY DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE IT. IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE DOING A CIGARETTE TAX. IT'S NOT A SPECIAL CLASS OF PROPERTY. SO UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF VIRGINIA AND THE ASSESSMENT LAWS, IT'S JUST PART OF THE REAL ESTATE. IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT ON THE. IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT. YES. AND IT SHOULD IT SHOULD BE ON THE OUTBUILDINGS BECAUSE THEY CAN THEY CAN DEPRECIATE SEPARATELY FROM THE BUILDING. IN OTHER WORDS, THE ASPHALT WILL HAVE A SHORTER LIFESPAN THAN THE BUILDING. THE BUILDING WILL BE THERE FOR 50 YEARS WITHOUT MAINTENANCE. THE ASPHALT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED. IT'LL. IT'LL WEAR DOWN LIKE 20 YEARS, YOU KNOW. SO THEY SHOULD BE IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. YOU KNOW, TWO DIFFERENT SPACES. SO THE ONLY THE ONLY THING THAT HE'S PROVING THAT WOULD STICK, IN MY OPINION, IS SOMETIMES IT'S FAIR VALUED. LIKE THEY JUST PUT A FLAT NUMBER ON IT. SOMETIMES IT'S MEASURED. I THINK HE HAS A HE HAS A VALID POINT THERE. SO NEXT TIME MAYBE WE'LL JUST MEASURE THEM ALL. YOU KNOW. NEXT TIME WE DO A REASSESSMENT, MAYBE WE'LL JUST MEASURE THEM ALL. BUT FOR THIS CASE, I THINK IF THIS OTHER ONE IS 15,000, MAYBE YOU MAKE THEM LIKE EIGHT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S 12 JUST BASED ON THE SIZE, YOU KNOW? BUT WE HAVE ONE DOWN THE STREET THAT'S 8600. SO. SO WHY WOULD ONE BE 15 IF ONE DOWN THE STREET IS 8600? MY CASE IS, IS THAT IF YOU ARE GOING TO TAX, THEN YOU SHOULD GO TO THE, THE VALUE OF THE ONE DOWN THE STREET. IF IT'S FAIR FOR THEM TO BE AT 8600, WHY IS IT NOT FAIR FOR THE BENFORD BUILDING TO BE AT 8600 AND THE MORALITY BUILDING TO BE AT 7000 OR SOMETHING REDUCED? YOU KNOW WHY? WHY KEEP IT ELEVATED IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO A FLAT RATE TAX ON OTHER ONES? AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THE FAIR AND EQUITABLE SOLUTION IS, IS THAT YOU'RE PICKING AND CHOOSING. YOU'RE MAKING IT UP AS YOU GO. AND IT IT DOESN'T HAVE A RHYME OR REASON, AND IT'S NOT JUSTIFIED FOR ONE AND NOT THE OTHER. YEAH. SO THEN THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS THAT THAT COULD COME INTO PLAY. THE CONDITION OF IT AND ALSO ITS CONTRIBUTORY VALUE TO THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW. WELL, PERCENTAGE WISE IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE A SIMILAR PERCENTAGE CONTRIBUTOR TO THE WHOLE. [05:05:12] I NEED TO ASK YOU, ATTORNEY, A QUESTION. WE SINCE WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE TAX IS THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN MAKE A DECISION OF WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT. IS THAT CORRECT? YOU KNOW, SO SO IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ISSUE HERE IS AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I'VE NEVER HEARD IT REFERRED TO AS AN ASPHALT TAX, BUT YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY THAT CONSTITUTE LIKE AN ASPHALT PARKING DECK. YES, IT'S COATED ASPHALT AND OUTBUILDINGS, AND IT'S BASED ON EITHER SQUARE FOOTAGE OR. OKAY. EVERYTHING IS A DETACHED GARAGE, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. AND THAT'S. THAT'S FINE. I JUST. WHEN SOMEONE SAID ASPHALT TAX, I THOUGHT THAT WAS A PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX. AND THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. OKAY. GOTCHA. OKAY. SO WHAT? THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION CAN'T SAY THAT THIS IS THE ASSESSMENT METHODOLOGY FOR ASPHALT IMPROVEMENTS TO PROPERTY HERE FOR OR ACROSS THE COUNTY. LIKE, THEY CAN'T THEY CAN'T ADJUST THAT RIGHT NOW OR MAKE A HUGE BLANKET ADJUSTMENT TO IT. WHAT THEY CAN DO IS THE ONLY REAL THING THAT THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION HAS JURISDICTION TO DO IS TO CHANGE THE ASSESSED THE TOTAL FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THE PROPERTY. SO TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT YOUR. AND SO I WOULD SAY HERE IS, IS THAT TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE A METHODOLOGICAL ERROR, I'M NOT COMMENTING ON WHETHER THAT EXISTS OR NOT. THAT WOULD ONLY SERVE TO OVERCOME THE PRESUMPTION OF CORRECTNESS OF THE ASSESSMENT, WE WOULD STILL JUST BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE FAIR MARKET VALUE IS OF THE PROPERTY. SO RESOLVE THAT DOWN. SO WHEN WE START GETTING INTO THE WEEDS ABOUT THE ASPHALT IMPROVEMENTS, WHAT WE ACTUALLY NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT IS, IS LIKE AT THE END OF THE DAY, LET'S JUST ASSUME THAT SURE, METHODOLOGY IS MESSED UP. WHAT WOULD THE NEW FAIR MARKET BUT TOTAL FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THE PROPERTY BE? NOT JUST ONE LITTLE ADDITION OR WHATEVER? WE CAN TAKE IT PART BY PART SO THAT SO WE CAN JUST ADD IT ALL UP AT THE END. BUT I WOULD SAY RIGHT NOW WHAT THE ASK IS, IS I THINK THAT EITHER THE ASPHALT ASSESSMENT IS TOO HIGH, SO THE OVERALL FAIR MARKET VALUE ASSESSMENT IS TOO HIGH OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. AND SINCE YOU'RE APPEALING IT OUT, ASSUMING YOU'D SAY THAT IT'S TOO HIGH, IF IT'S TOO HIGH, THEN LET'S KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THE PROPERTY IS, RIGHT? SO SO CAN CAN THE BOARD DOES THE BOARD HAVE THE AUTHORITY IF PARCELS ARE. VALUED AS ONE UNIT VERSUS SQUARE FOOTAGE. AND THERE'S OBVIOUSLY AN OPTION FOR BOTH OF THOSE. CAN THE BOARD DECIDE TO DO IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, OR ARE THEY ONLY ALLOWED TO ADJUST THE SQUARE FOOTAGE VALUE? SO TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION IS A BLACK BOX AS FAR AS LIKE. SO IF YOU WENT TO SAY THE CIRCUIT COURT, THE JUDGE HAS TO EXPLAIN HOW THEY COME TO THEIR DECISION. THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION DOES NOT. THEY JUST COME UP WITH A FAIR MARKET VALUE. NOW WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS SO THAT EVERYONE CAN SEE AND HEAR THE DELIBERATIONS AND ALL THE REST OF THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU IT'S REALLY THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION DECISION, LEGALLY SPEAKING. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN APPEAL TO THE CIRCUIT COURT AND WE DON'T SAY THAT. OH, WELL, YOU HAVE TO ARGUE BASED OFF OF THE BOE CONCESSIONS OR DECISIONS THAT ON THE REST OF THAT. SO TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WELL, YOU SHOULD VALUE IT BY SQUARE FOOTAGE OR SOMETHING ELSE LIKE THAT, THAT'S FINE IF THAT HELPS US ANALYZE THE SITUATION. BUT THE BOARD ISN'T REALLY TIED TO ONE OF THOSE. IF THEY THINK THAT ONE IS GOING TO BE MORE ACCURATE, THEN THEY SHOULD DO THAT. BUT THEY ALSO CAN'T SAY, WELL, ACROSS THE COUNTY, ALL ASPHALT NEEDS TO BE ASSESSED IN THIS MANNER OR THAT MANNER OR WHAT HAVE YOU. THEY JUST IN THIS SITUATION, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE ASSESSMENT. THEY'RE GOING TO DETERMINE WHETHER THEY THINK THAT THERE WAS THE PRESUMPTION THAT THE ASSESSMENT WAS CORRECT WAS OVERCOME. IF THEY THINK THAT, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT STEP OF WHAT IS THE ACTUAL COMPLETE AND TOTAL FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THE PROPERTY. AND THEN WE WILL SET THAT NUMBER AND THEN WE MOVE ON FROM THERE. SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE QUESTION WE NEED TO GET TO NOW IS, AS OPPOSED TO THE EXACT RIGHT METHODOLOGY THAT MIGHT HELP WITH THE ANALYSIS. THE STEP RIGHT HERE THOUGH IS, IS, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT FAIR MARKET VALUE IS X. SHOULD IT BE Y. AND THEN WHAT IS Y. SO PIGGYBACKING ON THAT THOUGHT THE THE MORELLI IS LAND BUILDING PAVING PORCHES. THE WHOLE SHEBANG IS A $142.69 A SQUARE FOOT. SO THE TOTAL ASSESSMENT IS THREE FOUR, SIX NINE DIVIDED BY 2431FT², 142.69. AND THAT IS LESS THAN A LOT OF THE HOUSES. JUST THE REGULAR HOUSE IS ON A PER SQUARE FOOT BASIS. SO I THINK I THINK JUST THE NUMBER WE CAN HEM AND HAW ABOUT COMPARISONS AND SAVINGS AND THIS AND THAT, [05:10:04] BUT JUST THE NUMBER ITSELF IS PROBABLY FINE. AND WHAT WAS THE LAST STATEMENT? IT'S PROBABLY FINE. ABSOLUTELY FINE. AND MY PROBLEM THERE IS, IS THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO ITEMIZE STUFF ON AN ASSESSMENT THEN EACH ITEM NEEDS TO BE CORRECT. TO, TO SAY, WELL, THE OVERALL IS, IS IS PRETTY GOOD. SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE THING OF WE CAN BLOW ONE SIDE UP AND SHRINK ONE SIDE DOWN. WELL, HOW ABOUT WE GET THEM ALL RIGHT. HOW ABOUT WE GET ALL OF THE. ALL THE VALUES. RIGHT. AND I KNOW THAT'S A DIFFICULT TASK. AND I HEAR A LOT OF PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY WE DON'T HAVE TIME. WELL, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S WRONG, IT'S BEING TAXED. AND THIS IS UNFAIR TO THE CITIZENS. HOW ABOUT WE WORK ON GETTING EACH ITEM RIGHT, OR WE JUST GIVE IT A BULK PRICE AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOUR PROPERTY IS WORTH THIS AS A WHOLE. YOUR PROPERTY IS WORTH THIS. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO ITEMIZE IT, AT LEAST GET THE ITEMS RIGHT. SO IF I'M READING WHAT I'M READING HERE, YOUR REQUEST FOR 60 615 COURTHOUSE ROAD IS TO LOWER THE ASSESSMENT FROM 517 8 TO 5 028. NO, YOU'RE ON THE WRONG ONE. 619 COURTHOUSE ROAD. YEAH. SO IT'S THE TWO TOGETHER, REALLY? AND IT'S 517 8 TO 5 5028 AND ITS FA 346 9 TO 333 TWO. THEY'RE BOTH HAVING THE SAME ISSUES. THEY'RE BOTH DIRECTLY CORRELATED TO EACH OTHER. IT'S AN ASPHALT ISSUE OKAY. HE JUST WANTS TO TAKE THE. YEAH HE WANTS TO TAKE THAT OFF. YEAH. I DON'T THINK THAT I DON'T THINK. AND IN LIGHT OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES, REMOVING IT WOULD BE, IN MY OPINION, INCORRECT BECAUSE ALL THE OTHER PROPERTIES HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, OR I DON'T I DON'T THINK WE CAN REMOVE IT COMPLETELY. YEAH. I'LL REFER THAT TO THE ATTORNEY. WE CANNOT REFER THE REMOVAL OF THE TAX. WE CANNOT REMOVE THAT TAX COMPLETELY OFF OF THAT, CAN WE? WE DON'T HAVE THAT AUTHORITY OR DO WE. SO. SO JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M, I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS SHEET THAT'S BEEN HANDED ME CORRECTLY. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS, IS THAT WE HAVE THIS APPRAISED OUTBUILDING VALUE OF $13,700. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE ASPHALT TAX. NO, THE ASPHALT TAX IS A MISNOMER. IT IS AN IMPROVEMENT THAT CONTRIBUTES TO THE WHOLE THE TOTAL ASSESSMENT. SO IT'S A IT'S A COMPONENT OF THE TOTAL ASSESSMENT. SO BUT IT'S NOT A SEPARATE IT'S A SEPARATE TAX. OKAY. BUT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THIS 13,700. BUT SO DOES THAT OUTBOUND NUMBER. DOES THAT INCLUDE ALL OF THE OUTBUILDINGS INCLUDING THE ASPHALT. OR IS IT JUST ASPHALT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THAT'S THE ONLY OUTBUILDING CODE ON THAT PROPERTY. YEAH, THAT'S JUST THE ASPHALT. OKAY. 13,700. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. YES. SO I WOULD SAY THAT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, IT'S AN APPRAISAL QUESTION LESS THAN A LEGAL QUESTION. BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING THE FACT THAT THERE'S ALLEGATIONS OF AN IRREGULARITY BETWEEN PROPERTIES AND THE COUNTY ABOUT HOW IT'S ASSESSED EITHER BY SQUARE FOOT OR WHAT FLAT RATE OUT, ETC. ETC. THAT WOULDN'T BE A BASIS FOR JUST SAYING WE'RE NOT TAXING THE ASPHALT AT ALL. RIGHT. YOU WOULD STILL WHAT IS THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF IT? THAT'S THE QUESTION OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE LOT IS SO IF WE DO HAVE A REGULARITY WITH HOW IT'S TAXED, THAT'S FINE. WE BRING THAT TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION. BUT THEN THE QUESTION REMAINS IT'S NOT WE STRIKE SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE INCORRECT. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT WAS, BUT WE DON'T STRIKE SOMETHING THAT'S INCORRECT. WE JUST SAY WHAT IS THE ACTUAL FAIR MARKET VALUE PROPERTY. SO THE PROPERTY, THE ASPHALT, PUT IT SIMPLY, THE ASPHALT IS GETTING TAXED. THE QUESTION IS, IS IF IT'S TOO HIGH OR TOO LOW OR WE THINK THAT'S A FAIR NUMBER FOR THAT IMPROVEMENT. SO SO WITH THAT CAN WE ASK ON THE COMPARISON PROPERTIES HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THE VALUE THEY DID AS A FLAT RATE. SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND A FLAT RATE TAX IF IT WASN'T DONE BY SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHAT WAS THE THE ABILITY THAT Y'ALL OR WHAT WAS THE METHOD THAT Y'ALL USED TO GET THE FLAT RATE. AND CAN WE APPLY THAT SAME FLAT RATE TO THIS ONE. SO IF WE'RE IF WE HAVE TO TAX IT IT WASN'T TAXED LAST YEAR. IT WASN'T TAXED A YEAR BEFORE. IT HAD NEVER BEEN TAXED IN THE PREVIOUS 50 YEARS. BUT NOW WE'RE SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO TAX IT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO CORRECT THE ENTIRE COUNTY. CAN WE DO A FLAT TAX ON IT? AND WHAT IS THE METHODOLOGY TO USE TO DO THAT SINCE IT'S BEING DONE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET? SO, SO THIS IS THIS IS WHAT WE'RE KIND OF CIRCLING. WE'RE CIRCLING THE ISSUE OUT IN THE DRAIN HERE. YEAH. SO HERE'S THE AT BOTTOM. IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER AS FAR AS IT'S CONCERNED. [05:15:03] LIKE IF THIS PROPERTY TAX CARD JUST HAD RANDOM NUMBERS THAT SOMEONE HAD JUST PUT INTO IT, YOU KNOW, AND I'VE SEEN LOCALITIES WHERE THEIR CAMERA HAS COMPLETELY FAILED THEM AND THEY'VE HAD BAD DATA AND ALL THE REST OF THAT. AND THERE'S SOME CORRECTIONS ON IT. WRITE THE QUESTION WHEN IT SAY, WELL, LET'S GO AND REDO THE ASSESSMENT RIGHT NOW. THE QUESTION HERE AT THIS BOARD OF EQUALIZATION IS WHAT IS THE FOR THE ENTIRE LOT. THE WHOLE PIECE OF PROPERTY. NOT JUST THE ASPHALT. NOT THE IMPROVEMENTS. WHATEVER. IF A ARMS LENGTH TRANSACTION WAS TO OCCUR RIGHT NOW, OR RATHER REALLY AS OF JANUARY 1ST OF THIS YEAR. WHAT WOULD THAT TRANSACTION LIKELY CLEAR FOR? RIGHT. AND I REALIZED THAT THERE'S DIFFERENT TIMES OF YEAR THE PROPERTIES MIGHT SELL FOR MORE WHATEVER. I GET IT. BUT THAT'S THE THAT'S THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THE PROPERTY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO EQUALIZE HERE. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THE TAX CARD MAY NOT HAVE REFLECTED SOMETHING IN PREVIOUS YEARS, OR IT MIGHT LOOK DIFFERENT TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT'S RELEVANT. ALL THAT MEANS IS, IS THAT THERE'S THAT IF THERE'S AN IRREGULARITY IN THE COUNTY, THAT MEANS THAT THE PRESUMPTION OF CORRECTNESS OF THE ASSESSMENT HAS BEEN OVERCOME. WE NOW TALK ABOUT WHAT IS THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THE PROPERTY, THE WHOLE PROPERTY. SO WE CAN FOCUS ON LITTLE PARTS OF IT IF THAT HELPS THE ANALYSIS. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE CAN'T SAY, WELL, WE THINK THE ASPHALT WAS WRONG, SO WE SLASHED IT. THAT'S NOT HOW THIS WORKS. IT'S THE WHOLE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THE WHOLE PROPERTY IN ONE NUMBER. AND SO THAT THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD NEEDS TO TO HAVE A MOTION AND SETTLE ON HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE. SO SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IN WHOLE IS, IS TO REDUCE IT FROM 346 9 TO 3 3032 WHETHER WHETHER YOU PLUG THAT IN AND ASPHALT OR WHETHER YOU PLUG IT IN AND HOLE, I'M ASKING FOR IT AS A WHOLE FOR 333 TWO ON ONE AND 5028 ON THE OTHER. ALL RIGHT. JASON, CAN YOU SHOW ME WHAT THE ASSESSMENT WAS FOR 2324? YES, SIR. AND 22 IF YOU HAVE IT. SO IT WAS SO THE THE LAND IN TIMES PAST WAS ACTUALLY HIGHER. IT WAS 68,000. SO IT WAS, IT USED TO BE 332. IT WENT TO 339 AND NOW IT'S AT 346. IN TOTAL. SO THE THE LAND USED TO BE 68 EIGHT AND IT'S NOW 59 TWO. AND THE TOTAL, LIKE I SAID, WAS 332 IN 2022 AND 2023 WENT TO 339. AND NOW IT'S AT 346 AND I THE COUNTY RECOMMENDS NO CHANGE. YEAH. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE KEEP THAT PARTICULAR PARCEL AT 346 NINE OVERALL. NO CHANGE. AFFIRM THE ASSESSMENT A SECOND. HAVE A SECOND. WE HAVE DISCUSSION. NO DISCUSSION. EVERYBODY IN FAVOR SAY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSITION? THAT ASSESSMENT WILL STAY THE SAME. I'LL MAKE A SIMILAR MOTION ON THE NEXT PARCEL. ARE WE? WAIT A MINUTE. SORRY. DID WE GO THROUGH THE SECOND PARCEL? THE THIRD PARCEL? ARE WE DOING TOGETHER THE REFERENCE? I MEAN, IT'S IT'S UP TO Y'ALL. IT'S. WE'RE DOING THOSE TOGETHER, RIGHT? WHICH I'LL MAKE A SIMILAR MOTION ON THE, I GUESS THE THIRD PARCEL, THE BENFORD BUILDING 026-A THAT THE ASSESSMENT IS AFFIRMED. 517 800 OVERALL VALUE STAYS THE SAME. DO I HAVE A SECOND TO THE MOTION? SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSITION. THAT ALSO STAYS THE SAME. THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE. THIS HAD AN APPOINTMENT AND WE'VE GONE A LITTLE BIT OVER THIS, SO PLEASE ACCEPT OUR APOLOGIES. SO WE'LL CALL THE NEXT ONE NOW. IT WILL BE CHARLES AND KIM. THE CHARLES WITH CHARLES GU. CHARLES AND KIM MC C H A R G E. IRONWOOD DRIVE, IRONWOOD DRIVE. MADAM CHAIRPERSON, I'M GOING TO STEP TO THE RESTROOM. OKAY. ME TOO. [05:20:04] WELL, WE'LL TAKE A BRIEF TEN MINUTE BREAK, AND THEN WE'LL PICK UP WITH JOHN FRENCH. ALAN FRENCH. ALAN FRENCH. THANK YOU. BACK ON YOU. HELLO THERE. HELLO. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, EVERYONE FROM THE COUNTY THAT WILL BE SPEAKING WAS SWORN IN EARLIER THIS MORNING. OKAY. IF THAT SAID, WOULD YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? YES. AND WOULD YOU GIVE US YOUR COMPLETE NAME? ALAN. JAMES. FRANSCHHOEK. DO YOU SWEAR OR PROMISE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH TODAY UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY? YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES. YOU'VE ONLY GOT ONE PARCEL, CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. 9503 MERCHANTS HOPE ROAD. OKAY. NOTHING'S REALLY CHANGED AT MY PROPERTY EXCEPT FOR EROSION WITH ALL THIS RAINFALL. IAN'S BEING FACTUAL ABOUT THAT, FOR SURE. THE ONLY THING THAT HELPS ME WITH THAT IS MY LEAVES FROM THE TREES. FROM THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY TO THE FRONT OF MY PROPERTY IS ABOUT A 12 FOOT SLOOP. IT'S 1.22 ACRES. IT'S TRYING TO DIVERT THE WATER AND DIRECTIONS, AND MOST OF THE TIME IT'S GOING OVER TOP OF MY SEPTIC. WHAT CAN YOU DO? I REQUESTED THAT IT STAY ABOUT THE SAME PRICE. IT HAS INCREASED, YOU KNOW SEVERAL TIMES HERE WITHIN THE PAST FEW MONTHS, AND WE'VE DROPPED DOWN, BACK DOWN TO 40%. STILL HAVING THE VALUE OF A LITTLE LESS THAN $200,000. IT'S A MANUFACTURED HOME BUILT, BUILT AND PUT ON THE PROPERTY IN 97. SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT TO GO? TOTAL ASSESSMENT FROM 207 9 TO 142 SEVEN. WELL, IT'S AT 1.99. 800 RIGHT NOW IS MY LAST LETTER THAT I RECEIVED. THAT WAS SENT TO ME. JULY 7TH, 2025. 99. EIGHT. 2024. IT WAS A TOTAL OF 142 700. DID THE COUNTY REDUCE IT OR VISION? DURING THE INFORMAL APPEALS, YOU MEAN? YES. GIVE ME ONE SECOND. I'M A LITTLE BIT BEHIND. IT LOOKS LIKE IT CAME DOWN FROM 207 9 TO 1 998. THAT SOUNDS RIGHT. YES. OKAY. THAT'S FROM MAY. MARCH WAS 206 600. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. NOW WE'RE DOWN TO 199 800. AND MOST OF THE PROPERTIES AROUND ME ARE BRICK HOMES OR TWO STOREY BEHIND ME. YOU WANT TO GO DOWN TO WHAT? WHAT? IT WAS ASSESSED IN 2024 OR THEREABOUTS. YOU REALIZE WE'VE HAD NO INCREASES IN TWO YEARS? YES, MA'AM. OKAY, I UNDERSTAND. BUT LIKE I SAID, THERE'S NO CHANGES EXCEPT FOR HOW MY LAND WATER IS FLOWING AROUND MY PROPERTY. AND IN THE PAST TWO MONTHS, IT'S GOTTEN WORSE, FOR SURE. COUNTY VISION. YOU SAY THERE'S NO COMPARABLES OF HOMES AROUND YOU. BRICK HOMES MOSTLY. YES. YES, SIR. OKAY. I THINK THE ONE FURTHEST AWAY IS ABOUT A THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE. MIGHT BE ANOTHER MODULAR LOAN THERE. ARE TWO DOUBLE. WHY? EXCUSE ME. SO LET ME SWITCH. PUT THIS ON THE SCREEN. SO WE HAVE GOING BACK TO MY PIVOT TABLE THAT I BUILT. WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF US IS SO HIS HIS PROPERTY IS A DOUBLE WIDE, CORRECT MANUFACTURED HOME. SO I LOOKED BACK AT THE SALES FROM 2018 CURRENT. AND THEN I PUT IN THEIR VISION STYLE CODE AND I FOUND 38 SALES THAT WERE THE PREVAILING RATE WAS 84%. SO ACTUALLY ABOUT 5% LESS THAN THE OVERALL COUNTY. UNDER ASSESSED, I MEAN, AND THEN THIS ARE SOME OF THE ONES THAT ARE ACTUALLY MANUFACTURED HOMES IN THE COUNTY. [05:25:03] LET ME SEE IF I CAN SORT IT BY. MOST RECENT ONES. SO I KNOW IT CAN MEAN A LOT WITH ACREAGE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND WHERE THEY ARE IN THE COUNTY. BUT I DON'T THINK WHAT I CAN DEFINITIVELY SAY IS I DON'T THINK MANUFACTURED HOMES ARE OVER ASSESSED IN GENERAL. AND HIS HOUSE IS LISTED AS IN FAIR CONDITION. LIKE BELOW AVERAGE. AND IT'S GRADED LIKE E AT THE LOWEST SCALE. LIKE THE GRADES. THE QUALITY RATINGS ARE LIKE A REPORT CARD, LIKE A, B, C, D, AND E, SO HIS GRADE IS. LET ME SWITCH BACK SO I CAN SHOW YOU IT'S AN E. SO IT'S AT THE LOWEST SCALE. IT'S RATED IS FAIR. WE HAVE 38 SALES THAT SHOW THAT OVERALL MANUFACTURED HOMES ARE ASSESSED IN THE BALLPARK AND MAYBE LEAN A LITTLE BIT LOW. I THINK IT'S FINE. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? EQUALIZATION. YOU KNOW. DO I HAVE A MOTION FROM THE BOARD? DO I HAVE A MOTION FROM THE BOARD? I MAKE A MOTION THAT THE ASSESSMENT STAY AT 1.998. I'LL SECOND ANY DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL RIGHT. OPPOSITION. THANK YOU, SIR, FOR COMING. I APPRECIATE IT. WILLIAM AND BRENDA THOMPSON. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. THOMPSON. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. AS I'M SURE YOU JUST HEARD ME SAY, EVERYONE THAT WILL BE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY HAS BEEN SWORN IN THIS MORNING. WITH THAT, I ASK FOR YOU TO RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. PLEASE STATE YOUR FULL NAME. WILLIAM ELVIS THOMPSON. DO YOU SWEAR? A PROMISE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH TODAY UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY? I DO, ALL RIGHT, SIR. GOT FIVE MINUTES. WELL, YOU'RE ONLY SPEAKING ABOUT ONE PROPERTY, IS THAT CORRECT? ONE PROPERTY? YES, MA'AM. THAT'S ALL I OWN IN PRINCE GEORGE. ALL RIGHT. SIR. STATEMENT I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS YOU CAN ONLY GET FOR YOUR PROPERTY WHEN YOU SELL IT. WHAT? SOMEBODY IS WILLING TO PAY FOR IT. MR. THOMPSON, COULD YOU SPEAK INTO THE MIC, PLEASE? THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. BELLA. I HAVE A BACKGROUND IN REAL REAL ESTATE. I'M NOT AS YOUNG AS I LOOK. I HAD A SALESMAN TEST AND PASSED ON THE FIRST TRY IN 1979. I HAVE THREE PROPERTIES. I BOUGHT THREE HOMES IN MY LIFE, AND I BELIEVED VISION. DID DINWIDDIE COUNTY'S ASSESSMENTS ALSO? TWO PROPERTIES IN DINWIDDIE COUNTY. ONE IS A VACANT PROPERTY, AND THE PLUMBING WAS TORN OUT ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO. HAS NOT BEEN BENEFICIAL TO ME TO RENT SINCE THEN. THE ASSESSMENT WENT UP FROM 45,000 TO 101,000. AND I KNOW THAT THESE FACTS THAT ARE BEING GATHERED FOR THE ASSESSMENTS ARE BEING GATHERED BY [05:30:10] GOOGLE MAPS OR WHATEVER, BUT THEY'RE NOT BEING GATHERED BY ON THE PROPERTY. AND OBSERVATIONS. DON'T DON'T SEE HOW MY PERSONAL PROPERTY IN HERE IN PRINCE GEORGE COULD INCREASE FROM ONE YEAR, 33%. ALMOST. THE ASSESSMENT CURRENTLY, AT WHAT THEY'VE ASSESSED IT. MY 224 WAS. 303,200. 303,200. THAT WAS IN 24. THAT WAS IN 24 AND 25 WAS DONE THE SAME. THIS ASSESSMENT. IS ON THE BOARD. 401 300. YES, MA'AM. MY LAND VALUE WENT UP FROM 74 OVER SEVEN TO OVER 90,000. I HAVE A PLAT OF MY PROPERTY. THE PINK AREA IS COVERING ALMOST HALF OF THE THE JUST SHY OF SEVEN ACRES WETLAND. THIS IS DONATED OR DESIGNATED WETLAND. SINCE THIS TWO WEEKS AGO WHEN WE GOT FIVE INCHES OF RAIN, I HAD A RIVER GOING ACROSS MY PROPERTY AND THAT'S THE WAY I'VE HAD IT SEVERAL TIMES. IT CROSSES A PAVED ROAD AT THE END OF MY LOT. I COVERED THE LOTS ACROSS THE ROAD, CONSISTED OF ABOUT ALMOST 100 ACRES OF FOREST LAND UNTIL THEY WERE SUBDIVIDED HERE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. THAT WHOLE ENTIRE 100 ACRES AND ALSO, I GUESS, MADE 50 ACRES FROM HOLLYWOOD. GOES ACROSS MY PROPERTY TOO. AND THAT'S THAT'S A LOT OF WATER AND I CAN I CANNOT GET ON IT. I GOT A WOOD STOVE THAT I HEAT MY HOME WITH, AND I CAN'T EVEN CUT TIMBER DURING THAT TIME, ESPECIALLY THIS YEAR. SOME OF THE LOTS ON THE NEW PROPERTIES THAT ARE BUILDING HOMES ACROSS THE ROAD FROM ME SOLD FOR 49 FIVE. NOW, THAT WAS BEFORE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT THE HOMES HAD BEEN PUT ON THERE. AND THE LATEST ASSESSMENT WAS FOR THE LAND VALUE WAS 70,000. THAT'S FILED WITH THE HOME, A $400,000 HOME ON IT. MADAM CHAIRWOMAN, THAT'S TIME, JUST FYI. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? OH, SO YOU'RE ASKING US TO REDUCE YOUR PROPERTY FROM 92 TO 51 AND YOUR HOME FROM 309 TO 228? THE LOT THAT BORDERS THE BACKSIDE OF MY LOT RUNS TO A FRANCE ON HOLLYWOOD. SOLD FOR 51,000. IT HAS NOT BEEN A HOME PUT ON IT. A LOT WAS CLEARED. NEVER BUILT A HOME ON IT THOUGH. THAT'S THAT'S MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT MY MY LAND USE PRICE WOULD BE. JASON, CAN YOU PULL UP THE GIS ON THIS SO WE CAN SEE? YES. YES, MA'AM. HERE IT IS. AND WE. I CAN SEE WHERE THERE'S A CREEK COMING BACK TO THE END OF THIS PROPERTY. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS MAYBE THE WETLANDS AREN'T DRAWN PROPERLY. I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT YOUR PIECE OF PAPER, IF I COULD, BUT IT STOPS RIGHT AT HIS PROPERTY LINE. YEAH. YEAH, EXACTLY. THERE'S NO THERE'S NO WETLANDS. NO, THERE'S NO WETLANDS. ACCORDING TO THE GIS ON HIS PROPERTY. ALL RIGHT LET ME TURN ON WATERSHED. I'LL GIVE IT RIGHT BACK. [05:35:02] I PROMISE YOU, I'LL SAY THAT RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM IT. SO YEAH, THIS IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT PLAT. YEAH. SO IN THE PERCOLATION PROPERTIES, IT STILL, IT DESIGNATES WETLANDS ON THAT ALSO. AND JUST ABOUT THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I HAVE TO CAN SAY IT'S MY. IT WAS DONE. IMPROVED MUCH. YEAH. EXCESSIVE BECAUSE THE IT HOME ON BEHIND ME THAT FRONTS ON HOLLYWOOD. A BRICK HOME, WHICH IS. YEAH. MORE. WELL, IT'S RIGHT IN LINE WITH TWO TIMES. THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS MY HOME. BUT IT'S BRICK. IT'S A NICE SPANISH BRICK HOME. JUST SOLD FOR 615, AND THEY GOT THAT ASSESSED FOR 665 NOW, OVER TWO YEARS. MY HOUSE IS NOWHERE NEAR THE QUALITY OF THAT ONE. I WOULD LOVE TO LOOK AT IT, BUT I KNEW IT WAS SELLING FOR TOO MUCH. JUST WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE HERE, SIR? IT'S LISTED AROUND 2000. IT'S MORE 1800 BECAUSE WHEN I MOVED IN, IT WAS A ROOM THAT WAS NOT FINISHED. YOU HAVE A DETACHED GARAGE? NO. WELL, IT'S BUILT UNDERNEATH THIS. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S ATTACHED. OKAY. IT'S PART OF THE HOME. IT'S PROBABLY 2000. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I'LL LET THIS GO DOWN HERE. LET ME SEE. THIS WAS FROM THE PLAT WHERE THEY DEVELOPED THE PROPERTY. THAT'S THE PLAT THAT I RECEIVED WHEN I BOUGHT IT. PROPERTY? YEAH. OKAY. JASON, HAVE YOU MADE ANY ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE WETLAND WETLANDS? I HAVE NOT. CURRENTLY, THERE'S NOTHING ON THE RECORD FOR THE WETLANDS. POTENTIAL WHAT? THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE WOULD JUST BE TO ASK THEM DIRECTLY. IF YOU LOOK UP HERE, THIS AREA. YOU SAID THERE'S A THERE'S SOMETHING ON THE UPPER LEVEL THAT'S UNFINISHED. LOWER. CURRENTLY ON THE LOWER LEVEL, IT'S A STORE AND A HALF. OKAY. IT'S ONLY, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A ROOM ON THE END ABOVE THE KITCHEN WAS UNFINISHED. TOTALLY WHEN I MOVED IN. BUT AS IT IS TODAY, I JUST USE IT FOR STORAGE RIGHT NOW. SO IT IS STILL UNFINISHED. WELL, WHEN I. WHEN I GOT IT LAST INSPECTION, THEY HADN'T EVEN CALLED A DOOR. IT WAS OFF AND IT HAD THEM PUT THE DOOR IN BECAUSE IT WAS NOT. WELL LET ME LET ME ASK YOU THIS. NO MATTER WHAT YOU USE IT FOR, IS THERE CARPET ON THE FLOOR? NO. OR TILE, I WOULD, I WOULD DRYWALL ON THE WALLS OR OPEN INSULATION. INSULATION. SO IT'S UNFINISHED, UNFINISHED, UNFINISHED. SO IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THIS DIAGRAM AND I DON'T THINK I CAN MAKE IT BIGGER AND I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT, LET ME SEE. I MIGHT BE ABLE TO MAKE IT BIGGER. NO I CAN'T. ALL RIGHT, SO YOU SEE, HERE'S YOUR FRONT PORCH RIGHT THERE. WHERE'S THE HALF? THE THE PART THAT'S UNFINISHED. IF YOU WERE TO WALK IN YOUR FRONT DOOR, WOULD IT BE ON THE UPPER LEVEL? ON THE RIGHT? YOU SEE WHERE THIS BIG SQUARE WHERE THE DECK IS? YES. YES, SIR. RIGHT. THAT'S NOT. THAT'S NOT CORRECT. BECKETT. I HAD A PAID EXTRA TO HAVE A FULL DECK, 30 FOOT LONG. IT WAS A PORCH. THAT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE TEN BY 30 AND TEN BY 30. WELL, IT WAS TEN BY 30, BUT THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE MY WELL, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT CORRECT. THE FLOOR PLAN. OKAY. ANYWAY, THE EXTENDED DECK IS NOT PART OF THE HEIST. THE DECK COMES AS ONE FULL FLUSH SIDE OF THE HOUSE. HE GOES FROM FRONT TO BACK WITH THE DECK CONCLUDED. OKAY. DOES IT GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE DECK? THAT'S ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS NOT. THAT'S NOT CORRECT. CAN WE DO THIS? WHAT I RECOMMEND IS YOU GUYS MAKE A DETERMINATION ON THE WETLAND AND THEN JUST VOTE ON THAT PART. THAT LITTLE OFF BOX IS WHERE THAT ROOM WOULD BE. [05:40:05] OH, THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE. YEAH. SO WHAT WE CAN WE CAN SEND JOHN TO MEASURE YOUR HOUSE NEXT WEEK AT SOME POINT, AND WE'LL FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHERE THE UNFINISHED AND UNFINISHED IS, AND WE CAN JUST CHANGE THAT ON OUR OWN. AND THEN IF YOU GUYS MAKE A RULING ON THE LAND, WE CAN JUST CHANGE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AFTER YOU MAKE THE RULING. OKAY. UNDER A 3280 CODE THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER. CAN YOU DO THE BECAUSE I THINK WE PROBABLY WE'D LIKE TO GO IN AND GET THE MATTER SETTLED FOR THE. YEAH. RIGHT. RIGHT. AND SO. BUT THAT CAN'T HAPPEN TODAY, THOUGH, UNFORTUNATELY. YEAH. SO CAN YOU MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE REDLANDS TODAY? YES, MA'AM. SO I WOULD SAY IT PROBABLY NEEDS AT LEAST A 20%. IF ALL THAT OUT OF IT. IF NOT MORE. WHAT ARE YOU. IT'S AT LEAST, AT MINIMUM, I WOULD SAY AT LEAST MAYBE 30, 30, 35%. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE'LL WE'LL LOOK AT 30 AND YOU TELL ME IF YOU THINK THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. NO. OKAY. SEVEN ACRES. I MEAN, IT'S 6.586.9 ACRES. RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO IF WE WERE TO APPLY A 30% REDUCTION FOR WETLAND, THE LAND WOULD BE 60 FOR SIX, AND THE OVERALL WOULD BE 3.73 SIX. SUBJECT TO YOUR REVIEW, RIGHT? WELL, YEAH. SO WHAT YOU I THINK THE THE PARTICULAR OPERATION WOULD BE FOR YOU GUYS TO VOTE. HOWEVER YOU CHOOSE TO VOTE. AND THEN WE WOULD CHANGE THE ASSESSMENT TO THAT. AND THEN WE WOULD GO BACK AND PROCESS IT AS A CORRECTION AND THE FACTS. AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT WITHOUT YOUR APPROVAL. WITHOUT OUR APPROVAL. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. DO I HAVE A MOTION FROM THE BOE? SO CAN I GET THIS STRAIGHT FROM WHAT WAS ASSESSED AT AT 92 THREE, 30% OFF OF THAT FOR FOR WETLANDS WOULD BE 64 SIX. IS THAT CORRECT? 64 SIX. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. I MAKE A MOTION THAT THE LAND ADJUSTMENT TO THE ASSESSMENT WOULD BE $64,600. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? NOW YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'VE DONE, MR. THOMPSON. WE CAN REDUCE YOUR LAND NOW. THEY WANT TO COME OUT AND THEY WANT TO LOOK. YOU SAID THIS WHOLE DRAWING THAT THEY SHOWED UP WAS INCORRECT. SO THEY WANT TO DO A BETTER DRAWING AND DO A BETTER ASSESSMENT ON THE BUILDING, AND THEN THEY CAN MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS THEMSELVES IF ANY ARE NEEDED. OKAY. WE'LL MAKE IT A POINT. I UNDERSTAND. COME AND MEASURE IT. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE. ANY OPPOSITION? THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I JUST TOLD THEM IT WOULD BE. I CAN GET BACK TO YOU OR. JAMES AND MARY KELLY. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. KELLY. AS YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD ME SAY, EVERYBODY WILL BE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD. CAN YOU HEAR ME A LITTLE BIT? I'M HEARING EVERYBODY THAT WILL BE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD. OKAY. HAS BEEN SWORN IN, AND I NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN NOW. SO WOULD YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? YES. PLEASE STATE YOUR FULL NAME. JAMES L KELLY JR. DO YOU SWEAR OR PROMISE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH TODAY UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY? I DO, ALL RIGHT, SIR. GOT FIVE MINUTES. ALRIGHT, I LEAVE IT. 4111 RAILROAD. AND THE PROPERTY THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS 4121, WHICH IS A VACANT LOT. THE FIRST GO ROUND WHEN THE VISION STARTED. APPRAISED THAT IT WENT UP 16 FROM 50,000 TO 6 TO 66. SO I CALLED THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE IN THE COUNTY AND TALKED TO THEM. AND I WENT AND GOT THE THREE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES THEY WANTED AND ALL OF THEM. MY, MY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS 1.85 ACRES. AND AND THE THREE THAT I GOT WERE ALL OF THEM WERE LARGER THAN MINE. [05:45:02] AND I GOT THE INFORMATION HERE. IF I CAN FIND IT. ONE OF THEM WON'T TAKE OUT A ROAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS 2.97 ACRES. AND IT WAS ASSESSED AT 40,008 HUNDRED. ANOTHER ONE IN THAT LOCATION WAS 3.17 ACRES, WHICH WAS ASSESSED AT 36 EIGHT, AND THE ONE ON CRATER ROAD WAS 2.50 ACRES, WAS 90,002 HUNDRED. SO IF I GET THOSE THREE TOGETHER AS A TOTAL OF 167,005 HUNDRED. SO IF YOU DIVIDE THAT BY THREE, IT OUGHT TO COME UP TO LIKE 55,000. SO WHY WOULD MINE THE COUNTY LOWERED MINE BACK TO 59 AND NINE. SO WHAT I'M SAYING, IF I'M IN MY LIP COUNTY BETWEEN THESE PROPERTIES THAT I GOT, SO WHY WOULD MINE DROP DOWN SOMEWHERE IN THAT THAT RANGE ANOTHER 4 OR $5000? AND WHEN I LIVE ON IT, IT INCREASED $3,500. AND IT WANTED WHEN THE COUNTY REASSESSED IT FOR ME, IT ENDED UP AT 9900. SO. I MEAN THAT I JUST FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD BE REDUCED A LITTLE BIT MORE MYSELF, RIGHT, SIR? I MEAN, THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY. IF YOU GOT SOME QUESTIONS, I'LL TRY TO ANSWER THEM. COUNTY REBUTTAL. I'M LOOKING AT THE LOT TO THE NORTH OF HIS. IT'S IT. JASON, COULD YOU SHARE THAT WITH US? I'M SORRY. YES, A VACANT LOT, IF NOTHING ON IT. WITH SOME TREES. WELL, THIS IS YOUR. THE LOT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS HERE. JAMES KELLY. CORRECT? CORRECT. CORRECT. SO THE ONE TO THE RIGHT IS AT 66,900, AND IT IS OF A SIMILAR MILLER ACREAGE. THIS HIS IS 1.85. THIS ONE IS 1.92. IT SAYS 66,900. AND THE ONE TO THE LEFT OF HIS IS THAT ONE IS THAT'S WHERE THE HOUSE IS, RIGHT? YEAH. SO IT IT'S I GUESS, LIKE HE WAS SAYING LET ME PULL IT UP IN YOUR VISION JUST TO CONFIRM. 348. YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE IF ONE WENT UP 3500, THE OTHER ONE SHOULD SHOULD BE EQUAL. I MEAN, IT'S SAME, SAME LOTS. THERE'S NO SAME SIZE AND AND SO YEAH, THERE THIS ONE IS ALSO 66 NINE. SO THIS WOULD BE AND I THINK THE REASON THE VACANT LOT IN BETWEEN THE TWO WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT IT HAS A 10% REDUCTION FOR ZONING, WHICH I DISAGREE WITH. WHAT'S THE ZONING? WELL, HERE'S HERE'S IT. IT'S ANOTHER SPLIT. SPLIT ZONING. YOU SEE HOW IT'S AND BUT THEY'RE BOTH RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE. ONES LIKE RAS AND THE ONES ARE TWO. SO WHERE THE HOUSES ARE ALONG THE STRIP IS R-2, AND THEN THE BACK LOT IS RA. SO IT LOOKS LIKE SOME OF SOME OF THESE AT ONE TIME HAD AN ADJUSTMENT FOR ZONING AND THEY'VE BEEN TAKEN OFF. BUT HIS HAS A 10% REDUCTION FOR WHATEVER REASON. SO TO EQUALIZE IT WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO RAISE HIS LOT UP. BUT IF YOU WERE GOING TO GO WITH MR. TOLLEY SAID, YOU CAN'T REALLY RAISE IT UP WITHOUT NOTICE. SO I GUESS WE RECOMMEND NO CHANGE UNLESS, YOU KNOW I'M IN AGREEMENT. I'M IN AGREEMENT? YEAH. ANY COMMENTS FROM QUESTIONS FROM THE BOE? IS THERE? ARE THERE ANY WETLANDS OR ANYTHING ON THE BACK OF YOUR PROPERTY? MR. KELLY. MR.. KELLY. MR. KELLY. ARE THERE ANY WETLANDS ON THE BACK OF YOUR PROPERTY? ARE THERE ANY WETLANDS ON THE BACK OF YOUR PROPERTY? WETLAND? YES. NO, NO, NO, NOT OLD MAN, I WOULDN'T THINK. OH, MAN. WHAT ABOUT THE EMPTY LOT? THE EMPTY LOT? YES, AN EMPTY LOT. IT'S A WETLAND. OKAY. DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT. NOTHING ON IT. OKAY. YOUR SCRUBBY OAK TREES. AND YOUR SEPTIC IS NOT ON. IT DOESN'T CROSS YOUR LINE ON TO THE OTHER ONE OR ON YOUR DRAIN FIELD. YOU DON'T WORK YOUR DRAIN FIELD. IT DOESN'T CROSS OVER INTO THAT OTHER LOT. OH, NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, WELL, THEN, AS FAR AS WE KNOW, YOU CAN YOU CAN BUILD ON IT. [05:50:02] SO WE RECOMMEND NO CHANGE. YOU CAN BUILD ON IT, I'M SURE OF THAT. YOU SEE SOME DRAINAGE ACROSS THE BACK. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT BASEMENTS NEXT DOOR TO ME. THEY'LL RUN INTO RUNNING THE LINE ACROSS THE AISLE. DO I HAVE A MOTION FROM THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION? ONE QUESTION. WHAT IS HIS LOT? ASSESSED THAT HIS IS AT 66 SIX. WHAT IS MYELITIS AFTER THAT THAT I'M LIVING ON? YEAH. OKAY. BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT, WELL ON SEPTIC ON YOURS ALREADY. PARDON ME. YOU HAVE A WELL AND SEPTIC. YEAH. I GOT A WELDING SEPTIC TANK ON A DRIVEWAY AND A GRASS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF. RIGHT. BUT THE OTHER ONE IS, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU IF YOU DO ALL OF THAT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A A LOT THAT COST $100,000, PROBABLY. I MAKE A MOTION. IT STAYS THE SAME AT 59.9 SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? I'M GOING TO LEAVE THE ASSESSMENT. IT'S THE SAME. MR. KELLY, THANK YOU FOR COMING. OKAY. TAKE CARE. OKAY. RUSSELL W GRIFFIN. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. GRIFFIN. WOULD YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? WOULD YOU STATE YOUR FULL NAME? RUSSELL. WAYNE. GRIFFIN. ALL RIGHT. SIR? DO YOU DO YOU SWEAR OR PROMISE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH TODAY UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY? YES. ALL RIGHT, SIR, YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES. MY HONOR, BE SHORT AND SWEET. I DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE BECAUSE I CAN'T USE A COMPUTER. I LIVE IN A FARM AREA. IT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL. I GOT FARMLAND FRONT BESIDE AND BEHIND ME, BUT ROUTE 35 RUNNING IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. AND WHAT I'M COMPLAINING ABOUT IS THE LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. I'VE GOT A LITTLE OVER AN ACRE OF LAND, AND YOU CAN'T STAND ON THE FRONT STOOP AND CARRY ON A CONVERSATION WITH TRACTOR TRAILERS. IF Y'ALL HADN'T BEEN OUT THAT WAY, GO OUT THERE LIVE ON A HILL, TOO. YEAH, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M COMPLAINING ABOUT. WHAT? THEY'VE GOT THE PROPERTY ASSESSED AT. NATURALLY, IF THAT COMES DOWN TO LAND. WHAT? IT'S ALL OF US COMING DOWN. THAT'S ABOUT IT. LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S JUST THEY GOT THE LAND VALUE. IT'S ONE I THINK IT'S JUST OVER AN ACRE. AND THEY GOT INVADE. WELL, THEY DID HAVE IT AT 69,700 OR SOMETHING. NOW 60. THEY LOWERED IT TO 62, BUT 62, NINE NOBODY WOULD BUY THAT HOUSE AND LIVE THERE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND, BECAUSE I WOULDN'T. IF IT BURNED TO THE GROUND, I WOULDN'T REBUILD IT. NO WAY THE LIGHT WOULD BE THERE. BUT I WOULD, ALL BECAUSE OF NOISE. AND IF ANY OF Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. AND THEN THE STATE CAME OUT AND TRENCHED FOR SAFETY REASON. THE SON OF THE ROAD. WELL, NOBODY KNOWS HOW TO DRIVE ON THEIR SIDE OF THE ROAD. SO YOU HEAR THAT NOISE? THAT'S DAYTIME ALL THE WAY UP TO. I'VE EVEN HEARD IT AFTER MIDNIGHT. SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IF ANYBODY THINKS IT'S ONE ACRE AND JUST ABOUT A 10TH IS WORTH THIS KIND OF PRICE. IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH ME? WELL, IT'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THEM. THAT'S ALL I GOTTA SAY ABOUT YOU. IS THIS YOUR HOUSE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW? YES, MA'AM. HOW FAR FROM THE ROAD ARE YOU? WHAT'D YOU SAY? ABOUT 150FT, IF I REMEMBER. REMEMBER? RIGHT. NOT FAR ENOUGH. NOT FAR. SO IT WAS WHEN YOU FIRST MOVED THERE, THOUGH. OH, WHEN I FIRST BUILT THAT. YES, SIR. WELL, I'D HAVE TO ADMIT I USED TO DRAG RACE ON ON FRIDAY. SATURDAY NIGHT. THE TRUTH COMES RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. I SIT OUT THERE ON SUNDAY AFTERNOON AFTER I BUILT IT AND SAW HIM DRAG RACE. SO POLICE OFFICERS, Y'ALL DID NOT HEAR THAT? I DON'T CARE, THAT'S STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS. [05:55:02] THANK YOU SIR. WE NEEDED THAT LAUGH TODAY. I APPRECIATE IT, SIR. WELL, YOU DON'T NEED TO LIE ABOUT IT. THAT'S THE. THAT'S A FACT. I KNOW WE ALL DID THINGS IN OUR YOUNGER DAYS, RIGHT? THEY STILL DO THINGS WE'LL PROBABLY SHOULDN'T DO. I WISH I WAS PHYSICALLY ABLE. JASON, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COUNTY OR VISION? WELL, I DID MEASURE ITS HOUSE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S 100FT FROM THE ROAD. AND THEN IT'S THE SAME BASICALLY FROM FOR THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET. THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER HOUSES IN THE IMMEDIATE. THIS ONE'S ACTUALLY THE. THE TWO STORY FARMHOUSE IS ACTUALLY 80FT FROM THE ROAD. SO THIS ONE IS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER. IS THAT THE HOUSE? YEAH. YEAH, THIS ONE'S A HAIR CLOSER TO THE ROAD. AND HIS HIS HOUSE IS IN AVERAGE CONDITION. WE HAVE A FULL BASEMENT. IS THAT CORRECT, SIR? YEAH. DID HE GIVE A FULL BASEMENT? A FULL BASEMENT? UNFINISHED? DOES IT. DOES IT LEAK ANY AT ALL? NO. WHAT DO YOU MEAN, LEAK? WELL, IF YOU. WE HAVE ENOUGH RAIN SOMETIMES. YEAH. IT WILL COME UNDER THE GARAGE DOORS. OKAY. IT HAS. LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. BECAUSE YOUR HOUSE BUILT IN THE 60S. I'D BE 68. AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY. I BUILT THIS HOUSE IN 68 TO LIVE IN. NOT TO SELL IT FOR A PROFIT. AND IT'S GOTTEN TO THE POINT WITH TAXES AND INSURANCE. YOU CAN'T EVEN AFFORD TO LIVE IN YOUR OWN HOUSE WHEN IT'S PAID FOR. AND I MADE IT THREE YEARS OLD, SO I AIN'T GOT THAT MUCH LONGER TO WORRY ABOUT IT. BUT MY KIDS WILL. WE UNDERSTAND, SIR. WHAT DOES HE WANT? HE'S WANTING US TO LOWER THE LAND TO 30,000. I'M 62 NINE. SO IT'S. CAN YOU PULL UP THE PREVIOUS TAXES, JASON? YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT, LET ME SWITCH BACK TO THIS SO Y'ALL CAN SEE THAT. 3473. ALL RIGHT. SO THE LAND WAS 38,422. AND IT WENT TO 43 AND THEN 47. AND NOW IT'S AT 62 NINE. THAT'S A LITTLE MUCH. YEAH. AND IT'S ONLY 1.17 ACRES. NOT EVEN TWO ACRES. NOT EVEN TWO ACRES. I MIGHT SAY THIS IS NOT IN A SUBDIVISION. CORRECT. IN THIS LAND, COMPARED TO WHAT? THE GENTLEMAN BEFORE I WAS ON REEVES ROAD. OR THINK OF WAYS THAT. YEAH, HE HAD MORE LAND AND THEN AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR A HOUSE, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, COMPARED TO WHAT MINE IS. MINE'S JUST ABOUT THE SAME PRICE HIS WAS. HE HAD MORE LAND. RIGHT. CAN I ADD SOMETHING TO THAT? I KNOW THIS GENTLEMAN VERY WELL. MY NAME IS MIKE PATTON.. I HELPED HIM DO SOME YARD WORK AND STUFF TO HELP HIM OUT, AND I CAN TELL YOU, HE LIVES IN THE MIDDLE OF A BUNCH OF FARMING FIELDS. IF YOU'VE EVER LIVED IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT, YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW NICE IT IS UNTIL THEY GO SPRAYING IT. YEAH, THAT'S WHY HE'S GOT OXYGEN. PROBABLY HALF THE TIME, BECAUSE THEY'RE SPRAYING CHEMICALS SO BAD, GETS IN THE WATER AND RUNS OFF ACROSS HIS LAND, AND THEY SPRAY ALL THE BUGS, COME TO HIS HOUSE. IT'S ATROCIOUS. I'M JUST TELLING YOU ALL, YOU REALLY ALMOST HAVE TO PHYSICALLY BE ON THE GROUND TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HE GOES THROUGH. I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE HOUSE AND THE TRASH THAT YOU HAVE TO PICK UP CONSTANTLY ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. I MEAN, IT'S IT'S BAD, SO I JUST WANT THAT. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY ADJUSTMENTS YOU CAN MAKE FOR THE CLOSENESS TO THE ROAD, OR WHAT DO YOU THINK AT LEAST 10% OF I THINK I RECOMMEND YOU CAN. YOU COULD DO 10% FOR THE HOUSE AND POTENTIALLY I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU NORMALLY DO? YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH THE LAND, DO YOU? HE'S NOT REALLY ASKING ANYTHING FOR THE HOUSE. WELL, THE HOUSE IS GOING TO REDUCE IF TO REDUCE THE LAND TO WHAT I THINK IT'S WORTH, I'LL BE SATISFIED WITH WHAT? THE REDUCTION. THE HOUSE AIN'T THE ONLY THING THE HOUSE IS. I'M TOO OLD AND TOO DECREPIT TO TRY TO MOVE. MY NEXT MOVE WILL BE TO THE CEMETERY OR SOMEWHERE TO SOMEBODY BE TAKING CARE OF ME. IF THAT'S REFERRED YOU TO ANY OF THE COUNTY PROGRAMS FOR TAX RELIEF. OH, YES. OKAY, OKAY. I'LL MAKE SURE THAT SOMEBODY'S MADE YOU. OH, YEAH. THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IF YOU CAN GET RELIEF, YOU'RE IN DEEP TROUBLE. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WERE. OH, YES, I HAD LOOKED INTO THAT. JUST I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT LAND COULD BE VALUED BECAUSE I GOT NOTHING TO COMPARE IT WITH. BECAUSE THERE'S NO LOTS AROUND MY HOUSE THAT I AIN'T. NO, IT'S A LITTLE OVER ACRE, LET ALONE IT'S BEEN SO. BUT I TELL YOU ONE THING. NOBODY IN HIS RIGHT MIND IS GOING TO BUY IT AND LIVE THERE. OH, I THINK SO. I THINK SOMEBODY DURING THE INFORMAL APPEALS HEARD, [06:00:10] HEARD YOUR AND THEY GAVE HIM A 10% REDUCTION HERE FOR EXTERNALITIES. SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING EXTERNAL FROM YOUR PROPERTY. SO THE ROAD NOISE, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S GOT 10%. I CAN'T SAY THAT THAT'S ALL IT NEEDS. MAYBE IT NEEDS 20 I DON'T KNOW, BUT SOMEBODY IS GIVING YOU A REDUCTION ALREADY TO GET IT DOWN TO 60, WHATEVER IT IS. NOW JASON, CAN YOU MAKE IT TO 20 AND LET'S SEE WHERE THAT LANDS. YES, SIR. SO IF YOU WERE TO REDUCE THE LAND, IT WOULD GO DOWN TO 56,000. HONESTLY? OH, YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. SORRY. I STILL THINK IT'S TO 6000. 002 47 OR 200 AND. 47. JASON, CAN YOU GIVE ME THE 2023 LAND ASSESSMENT NUMBER AGAIN? YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. SO THE 2023. WAS 43,000, EVEN 47,000. AND THERE WAS NO INCREASE FOR 24. 25. I'M SORRY WE DIDN'T HAVE A REASSESSMENT. YEAH. I'LL SAY ONE OTHER THING I FORGOT. THE REASON THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER BEEN OVER HERE. I'VE JUST DISSATISFIED WITH WHAT THEY'VE HAD THAT LAND VALUE THAT AT A LONG TIME, I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO COME OVER HERE. AND I DIDN'T WANT TO COME TODAY, BUT I SAID, I'M GOING TO GET OVER THERE. I'M GOING TO HAVE MY $0.02 WORTH. WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING. THANK YOU. AMERICAN WAY. THAT'S RIGHT. THEY'VE ALREADY GOT A 10% REDUCTION FOR ACCIDENT TONALITIES OR WHATEVER. WHY DON'T WE JUST INCREASE THAT TO 15 OR 20 AND CALL IT A DAY? YES, BUT AT 28 YEARS, 20, 50, HE DID IT. OKAY. AND WHAT DID THAT WHAT DID IT GIVE US? I GUESS, JASON, I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING ABOUT THE BASEMENT LEAKING, MAYBE WE SHOULD CONSIDER SOMETHING FOR HIS HOUSE TO 5% OR 10%. WHAT BASEMENT YOU SAID, BECAUSE IT DOES COME IN THE RIGHT DOORS. BE FUNCTIONAL, WOULDN'T YOU GUYS? WHAT'S THAT? WOULD THAT BE FUNCTIONAL? OH, YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. SO THAT WOULD THAT WOULD REDUCE THE TOTAL TO. 231. 600. IS ALMOST 20 WITH THE BREAKDOWN. THE BREAKDOWN WOULD BE LAND AT 55,800, IMPROVEMENTS AT 175 FIVE 802 31 600. OKAY, I NEED A MOTION. I MOVE THAT WE REDUCE THE ASSESSMENT TO 22, 31, 6600. HE MOVED IT. THERE IT IS 2000. I MEAN, $231,600 WOULD BE THE NEW REDUCED ASSESSMENT. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? NOPE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MR. GILL? GRIFFIN. MR. GRIFFIN, WE REDUCED YOUR ASSESSMENT TO 231,600. OKAY. PUT YOUR LAND 55 EIGHT AND YOUR HOUSE AT 175 EIGHT. WELL, I THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DID, BUT I STILL DON'T THINK THE LAND'S LOW ENOUGH. I THINK THAT'S RIDICULOUS FOR THAT LOT, PERIOD. IF ANYBODY WOULD WANT TO LIVE ON NOW, IF YOU WANT TO BUILD A BUSINESS. I'D PROBABLY BE A GREAT PLACE. BUT THAT'S AGRICULTURAL. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M REALLY TICKED OFF ABOUT. I UNDERSTAND, SIR, BUT THANK YOU FOR COMING IN. [06:05:01] ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. HAVE A BLESSED DAY. THANK YOU. STEVE HERE. MICHAEL EL MATON, JUNIOR. HERE. WE JUST THOUGHT YOU WAS HERE TO GIVE HIM A LITTLE SUPPORT. WELL, I WAS WHEN I SAW HIM, BUT WOULD YOU MIND RAISING YOUR RIGHT HAND? YES, MA'AM. I NEED YOU TO STATE YOUR FULL NAME. MICHAEL EL MARTIN JUNIOR. DID YOU GET THAT? OKAY. DO YOU SWEAR OR PROMISE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH TODAY UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY? YES. ALL RIGHT, SIR. FIVE MINUTES. OKAY. WELL, TELL ME, HAVE YOU ALL LOOKED THROUGH THE ITEMS THAT I SAW? OKAY. SO WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO EXPLAIN TO YOU? EVERYTHING OR SOME OF IT? OR PART OF IT? OR YOU ONLY GIVE ME FIVE MINUTES. SO JUST. THE HOUSE IS NOT A COLONIAL STYLE TO CAPE COD? CORRECT. AND YOU SAY THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 2000, BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY. IT WAS BUILT IN 2000. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE BACK WHERE VISIONS DID THE LET'S SEE, WHERE IS IT AT THE EFFECTIVE AGE, THEY SAID WAS 18. SO MY DISCREPANCY IS HOW DO I HAVE A 25 YEAR OLD HOUSE, BUT THE EFFECTIVE AGE IS 18. MR.. TAKE CARE OF IT. WELL. I MEAN, WELL, THAT'S I MEAN, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS BECAUSE IF YOU. OKAY, I BROKE IT DOWN INTO TWO SEPARATE CATEGORIES. PART A I DEALT WITH THE BUILDING, PART B I DEALT WITH THE LAND. PART C IS THE DISCREPANCIES I HAVE WITH VISIONS. NOW WE CAN DO AWAY WITH PART A IF YOU JUST FOCUS ON THE DISCREPANCY. I HAVE WITH VISIONS ON THE 18 YEAR, ON THE EFFECT OF AGE OF MY HOUSE BEING 18. BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT HOW VISIONS DID THEIR MATH, WHICH LET ME GET MY NOTES, THEY USE A RNC NUMBER AT THE BACK. IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE C TWO THAT I GAVE YOU TO RNC NUMBERS 379,450, THEY TAKE YOUR EFFECTIVE AGE, WHICH STARTS OUT AT 100%. OR THEY TAKE YOU HAVE 100% AGE. THEY TAKE PERCENT GOOD. SO THEY TAKE THE EFFECTIVE AGE OFF OF 100% BECAUSE YOUR HOUSE STARTS AT 100%. THEY TAKE THE EFFECTIVE AGE IS 18 YEARS OLD. TAKE THAT FROM 100%. GET 82 AND THEY MULTIPLY 82% TIMES TO 379,450. NOW IF YOU TAKE THE HOUSE AS 25 YEARS OLD AND YOU MARK THAT TO TAKE 25 OFF OF A HUNDRED, AND YOU MULTIPLY 75% TIMES THE 300 AND SOME, YOU ACTUALLY COME OUT TO ALMOST WITHIN $1,700 OF WHAT IT WAS ASSESSED AT IN 2024. AND I'M ARGUING MY HOUSE HAS BEEN OVER, OVER ASSESSED FOR A MULTITUDE OF YEARS. BUT BETWEEN WORK AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I CANNOT COME UP HERE AND FIGHT THIS BECAUSE I HAVE SPENT LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF HOURS DEALING WITH THIS. JUST THIS YEAR ALONE, BETWEEN DEALING WITH THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE VISIONS, THE APPOINTMENTS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, AND NOW I'M HERE, AND THEN NOT COUNTING THE PAPERWORK THAT I FILED THAT I HAD TO SPEND HOURS AND HOURS CONSIDERING I'M NOT A REAL ESTATE AGENT TRYING TO FIND COMPARABLES. VISIONS WILL TELL YOU YOU CAN GO TO THEIR WEBSITE. YOU CAN LOOK UP YOUR HOUSE AND IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER, YOU CAN HIT THE SALES AND IT'LL GIVE YOU ALL THE PARAMETERS FOR YOUR HOUSE. OKAY. AND YOU CAN LOOK UP COMPARABLES. YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DO THAT? WITH MY HOUSE? YOU COME UP WITH ZERO NO COMPARABLES. THE ONLY WAY YOU DO THAT AND YOU COME UP WITH COMPARABLES IS IF YOU SELECT EVERY STYLE HOUSE, EVERY AREA AND THEN ADD FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, TEN ACRES TO THE LOT BECAUSE I'M ON A ONE ACRE LOT, YOU KNOW. SO, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH EVERYTHING. IF YOU JUST WANT TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT YOU WANT, THAT'S FINE. OR I CAN GO THROUGH EVERYTHING, BUT DOING IT IN FIVE MINUTES IS GOING TO BE NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE. YOU'RE DOING GOOD. SO YOU KNOW THE NUMBER I HAVE, LIKE THE RNC NUMBER, THE WAY THEY CAME UP WITH IT, WITH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND ALL OF THAT, THAT'S FINE. AND WHEN I HAD THE PHONE CONVERSATION WITH VISIONS, THEY ALL AGREED IT NEEDED TO BE LOWERED, BUT THEN THEY LOWERED IT. BUT THEN IT'S LIKE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE POWER TO LOWER IT. THEY JUST SAID THEY COULD RECOMMEND IT, AND THEN THEY LOWER IT A LITTLE BIT AND THEN THEY LOWER IT. I THINK MINE HAS BEEN LOWERED THREE TIMES. SINCE I STARTED IN MARCH. THEY ACTUALLY LOWERED IT ONE TIME SINCE I SUBMITTED THE PAPERWORK. THE LAND HAS. SO, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME I LOOK AT IT ON THE COMPUTER, IT SEEMS TO BE ADJUSTED. SO, I MEAN, WHAT IS IT SAYS THAT NOW WHEN I LOOKED AT IT YESTERDAY, I DON'T EVEN KNOW. I DON'T THINK I PRINTED THAT OFF. IT'S 355,000 EVEN. STEVEN. WHY DON'T WE HAVE THAT? HOW MUCH IS THE LAND? [06:10:08] 43. NINE. AND SEE THE LAND. IF YOU LOOK, I GAVE YOU A MAP. I GAVE YOU A MAP FOR THE LAND TO SHOW THE AREA THAT I LIVE IN. I'M IN GREEN, AND THERE'S LITERALLY TWO PARCELS WITHIN SIGHT OF MY HOUSE. YOU CAN WALK TO IT IN LESS THAN TWO MINUTES. I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU THE LAST DIGITS OF THE PARCEL. IT'S 67 G AND 67 F. ONE IS IN ORANGE AND ONE IS IN BLUE THAT I MARKED ON THE MAP THAT I GAVE TO YOU. THEY ARE ASSESSED AT, ONE IS ASSESSED AT, OR NO ONE IS ASSESSED AT 38,100 IS 2.2 ACRES. THE OTHER ONE IS ASSESSED AT TWO 39,500 AND IS 2.44 ACRES. NOW THEY'RE BOTH ASSESSED FOR LESS THAN MINE. AND THEY HAVE DOUBLE THE LAND THAT MINE DOES IT. THAT'S TIME, MADAM CHAIRWOMAN. THANK YOU. SO HOW MANY ACRES DO YOU HAVE? ONE. DO THOSE OTHER TWO LOTS THAT YOU WERE SPEAKING OF. DO THEY HAVE A WETLAND SEPTIC ON THEM? NO REVISIONS. WELL, SEE, THAT'S THE OTHER DISCREPANCY I HAVE. DEPENDING ON WHO I TALK TO WITH THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE VISIONS, THEY'LL TELL ME, WELL, YOUR LAND VALUES MORE BECAUSE IT HAS WELL AND SEPTIC ON IT. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE CARD THAT VISION GIVES YOU WHEN YOU ASK FOR THE PAPERWORK, THEY PUT THE WELL IN SEPTIC ON THE BUILDING VALUE, NOT ON THE LAND VALUE. BECAUSE I HAVE THE LAND CARD, IT DOES NOT SHOW WELL IN SEPTIC. THE BUILDING CARD SHOWED WELL IN SEPTIC. SO IF YOU WANT TO TELL ME THAT IT INCREASES THE LAND, THAT'S FINE, BUT IT SHOULD WELL IN SEPTIC SHOULD BE PUT ON THE LAND CARD, NOT ON THE BUILDING CARD. SO AND EVERYBODY I TALK TO TELLS ME SOMETHING DIFFERENT. BUT THEN THERE IS A LOT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME 69 BE WHICH I HAVE THE PAPERWORK IN THE THING THAT I GAVE YOU HIS WAS, WHICH IS MY NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET. HIS LAND IS ONE ACRE AND IT'S ASSESSED AT 43 FIVE. MAYBE HIS WETLAND SEPTIC IS DIFFERENT THAN MINE AND HE HAS ROAD FRONTAGE, I DO NOT. THERE ARE SO MANY DISCREPANCIES WITH THIS THAT I LOSE MY MIND. THE PROPERTY YOU HAVE IN QUESTION IS 8 TO 1 JOHN'S ROAD. CORRECT. CAN WE PUT THAT OTHER ONE WAS NOT 8 TO 1. I GAVE YOU A MAP. YES, IT IS THE ONE I GAVE YOU. THE MAP OF GREEN IS 8 TO 1. WHAT? HE JUST PULLED. OH. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. THAT'S 32. ONE BLUE. CORRECT. SO HE SITS OFF THE ROAD AND IS SURROUNDED BY I GUESS HE'S A TREE. YES, THOSE ARE TREES. AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER PARCEL BESIDE HIM. THAT'S THE ONES HE'S COMPARING THEM TO ARE RIGHT UP HERE. 69. A AND B, I THINK IT'S 69. B IS JUST A ONE ACRE LOT BECAUSE IT WAS A ONE ACRE LOT. YEAH. SO YOU HAVE AN EASEMENT TO YOUR PROPERTY OFF OF JOHN'S ROAD? CORRECT. AND THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO HOUSES ON THE EASEMENT. CORRECT. CAN ANY OTHER HOUSES BE ADDED TO THE EASEMENT? YOU'D HAVE TO ASK PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY THAT YOU COULDN'T ADD IT ON MY ONE ACRE. I HAVEN'T. I WOULDN'T IMAGINE YOU COULD, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE YOU COULD IF YOU GOT IT APPROVED. I MEAN, OKAY, BUT YOU COULD TAKE SOMETHING OFF. OR HAVE THEY ALREADY TAKEN SOMETHING OFF FOR THE EASEMENT? THAT'S JUST WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. WELL, I MEAN. JASON, HAVE YOU ALL DONE ANY ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE EASEMENT? ON THIS? HIS LAND? YES. IT HAS A 35% REDUCTION FOR FOR ACCESS. OKAY. 35. THAT'S GOOD. YEAH. IT'S I THINK JUST GOING OVERALL, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY FINE TO MAYBE EVEN A HAIR LOW. WHAT ABOUT THE LOT ACROSS THE STREET? THEN WHY IS THAT ONE LOWER THAN MINE? YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, 7100. LET ME SEE WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD THEY'RE IN. THE GUY ACROSS THE STREETS IN A DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD? I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T SAY THAT FOR SURE, BUT LET ME LOOK AT IT. AND DO YOU UNDERSTAND MY PROBLEM WHEN I LOOK THIS UP MYSELF AS A CITIZEN? IT'S COMPLEX. WHEN I LOOK ACROSS THE STREET AND I CAN SEE THE HOUSE FROM MY HOUSE. IS ONE ACRES VALUE DIFFERENT THAN MINE? AND IF YOU ACTUALLY GO TO THE RIGHT OF MY PROPERTY, THERE'S ONE GUY THAT HAS ONE ACRE VALUE FOR 75,000. SO IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE. I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE YOURS THAN THE PEOPLE ON THE ROAD. YEAH, I WOULD SAY I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT HIS IS LOWER THAN MINE. HE HAS ROAD FRONTAGE, I DON'T. I'VE GOT AN EASEMENT. SO I MEAN, WHEN YOU TRY AND SELL YOUR HOUSE, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOOK FOR ROAD FROM THIS. [06:15:02] WILL YOU HOUSE SELL? YOUR HOUSE WILL SELL US WITH THE OTHER ONE. WILL? THEY DON'T WANT ROAD FURNITURE. YEAH. THAT'S YOUR OPINION. IT'S ONE ACRE. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER YOU HAVE ROAD FRONTAGE OR NOT. YOU OWN ONE ACRE. YOU DON'T OWN ANY OF THE LAND AROUND IT. WHAT SOMEBODY'S WILLING TO PAY FOR YOUR HOUSE IS WHAT IT'S DONE. I AGREE WITH THAT. BUT I MEAN, THAT'S YOUR OPINION, THOUGH, THAT SOMEBODY WOULD WANT ONE ACRE OFF THE ROAD SURROUNDED BY SOMEBODY ELSE. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE ONE THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE NOW IS AT 43, FIVE DEGREES. OKAY. SORRY. OKAY. YEAH. TOMORROW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT TOTALLY DIFFERENT. SO IT'LL BE IT'LL BE SMOOTHER TOMORROW. I HOPE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO OKAY. THIS ONE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE IS 43,500. SO YOU'RE SAYING 800? JOHN'S ROAD IS 43 FIVE. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. AND HERE'S THIS 46 EIGHT. YEAH. 4043 939 43 NINE. SO IT'S IT'S $400 MORE. CAN YOU SHOW THEM 67 F AND 67 G. CAN YOU SHOW HIM THAT, PLEASE? I HAVE TO FIND IT ON THE MAP. IT'S TO THE RIGHT. OKAY. IT'S LIKE, LITERALLY DIRECTLY, I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY EAST OF MY HOUSE, 69 D, DIRECTLY EAST. ALL RIGHT. SO SIX. COME BACK YOU GO. COME BACK OFF THE ROAD. IT'S OFF THE ROAD. IT'S KIND OF LIKE MINE IS ON AN EASEL JUST TO GO TO YOUR RIGHT. STRAIGHT OVER TO YOUR RIGHT. RIGHT THERE. ONE OF THOSE TWO RIGHT THERE. OKAY. MOVE YOUR CURSOR TO THE LEFT. RIGHT THERE. WELL, THESE THESE DON'T HAVE ANY. THIS IS A BIG PATH. DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A. YEAH, IT'S AN EASEMENT. IT'S AN EASEMENT. THERE'S A DRIVEWAY RIGHT THERE. YOU SEE IT COMING INTO HOUSES? THE DRIVEWAY GOES ALL THE WAY BACK. IT'S AN EASEMENT, JUST LIKE MINE. IT WOULD BE IDENTICAL TO MINE AS FAR AS EASEMENT PURPOSES ARE CONCERNED. SO MY QUESTION IS, THOSE LAND THAT LAND IS DOUBLE MINE, BUT THEIR PRICES ARE LOWER. NOW, I'M JUST TELLING YOU, SOMEBODY AS A CITIZEN, I'M NOT A REALTOR. I'M NOT A REAL ESTATE AGENT. I DON'T CLAIM TO BE. I'M JUST TELLING YOU AS A CITIZEN THAT GETS ON YOUR PRINCE GEORGE GIS AND IT JUST STARTS CLICKING ON THINGS. I SEE MAJOR DISCREPANCIES JUST FROM A NOVEL POINT. THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S RIGHT OR WRONG. I'M JUST TELLING YOU, WHEN I LOOK AT TWO AND A HALF ACRES VALUED AT LESS THAN MY ONE ACRE, IT SEEMS TO BE A PROBLEM. ESPECIALLY WHEN I GET THE INFORMATION FROM VISIONS THAT SAYS MY WELL AND SEPTIC IS ON THE BUILDING SIDE. SO THEN THAT TELLS ME THERE IS NO LAND VALUE FOR WELL AND SEPTIC. SO I, YOU KNOW, JUST AS SOMEBODY THAT'S JUST ON THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN, UNDERSTAND I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL, I'M JUST A CITIZEN SAYING IT DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT. SO THE ONE THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE HAS GOT A 50% REDUCTION, WHICH I THINK IS JUST JUST COMPARING THESE TWO. THIS IS CORRECT BECAUSE I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE YOURS THAN THIS ONE. THIS ONE'S GOT A 50% REDUCTION, WHEREAS HIS HAS A 35% REDUCTION IN WHY IS HIS GOT A 50% REDUCTION? WELL, I'D RATHER HAVE YOUR PIECE OF LAND THAN HIS ROAD TO IT. YEAH, IT DOES HAVE A ROAD. YOU CAN SEE THE ROAD RIGHT THERE. IT JUST STOPS WHERE THE HOUSE IS. THAT'S GRAVEL VERSUS A DIRT ROAD. OH, I SEE IT NOW. YEAH, WELL, THAT'S NOT GRAVEL. THIS LOOKS LIKE IT. IF IT'S GRAVEL BECAUSE YOU HAVE. NO, NO, IT'S NOT GRAVEL TO THE HOUSES. THERE IS A DIRT ROAD GOING TO THESE TWO PARCELS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A BUILT HOUSE ON IT YET. CORRECT. THE OTHER TWO PARCELS HAVE GRAVEL DRIVEWAY. THAT'S WHY IT SHOWS UP BETTER ON THE MAP. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. THERE IS A ROAD THERE. IT HAS AN EASEMENT TO IT. HERE'S THE YOUR GRAVEL ROAD GOING INTO YOUR CORRECT YOUR AREA AND I DOUBT LET ME GO BACK TO THE AERIAL. IF WE WERE TO GO BACK OVER IN HERE. YEAH. WE CAN'T DROP OUR MAN SO WE CAN'T SEE THAT. BUT MY GUESS IS THAT THIS IS NOT AS WELL MAINTAINED AS YOURS. WELL, IT COSTS MONEY. THERE'S MONEY TO CUT THAT DRIVEWAY IN THERE. YEAH, THE DRIVEWAY IS ALREADY THERE. THE ONLY THING IS THAT THEY HAVEN'T MAINTAINED IT SINCE THEY CUT THE PARCELS OUT. THEY JUST HAVEN'T PUT GRAVEL THERE AND MAINTAINED IT. THE ROAD IS THERE. YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE TREE LINE. YOU'RE JUST NOT SEEING THE GRAVEL LIT UP BECAUSE IT'S NOT SHINING. BUT I MEAN YOU'RE YOU'RE ARGUING SEMANTICS ON THAT, BUT THAT'S IRRELEVANT. I MEAN, DOES 67 F HAVE A 50%? 67 F? I THINK IT'S EQUALIZED. OF COURSE IT IS. JUST FROM WHAT I CAN TELL. SO JUST SO WE UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER, THOUGH. PARCEL WITH TWO AND A HALF ACRES IS VALUED LESS THAN MY ONE. [06:20:04] WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT. OKAY. AS LONG AS AS LONG AS I UNDERSTAND AS A CITIZEN THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, IT'S A, IT'S AN UNDEVELOPED ACCESS WAY EVEN THOUGH IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A PAPER STREET ESSENTIALLY. EVEN THOUGH YOU COULD, YOU COULD RIDE A FOUR WHEELER THROUGH THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, NOT A CAR PROBABLY. I'M JUST DOING AN EDUCATED GUESS. OKAY. OKAY. DO I HAVE A MOTION FROM THE BOARD? MAKE A MOTION TO CONFIRM THE VALUE. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. WOW. THANK YOU, SIR. ROBERT G. JONES, JUNIOR. HE'S NOT HERE. ROBERT JONES, JUNIOR. DO I HAVE A MOTION FROM THE BOARD? WE HAVE A JOHN. CAN YOU YOU LOOKED AT THIS PROPERTY, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. I WAS LOOKING AT YOUR NOTES HERE. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ROBERT JONES? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. ALSO KNOWN AS BUBBA DIRT. YEAH. THANK YOU. NOW I KNOW WHO IT IS. I THINK, JOHN, YOU HAD TO RECOMMEND REMOVING THE CENTRAL AIR CONDITIONING AND DOWNGRADING THE CONDITION TO POOR. YES. OH, IT'S. DID YOU DID YOU GO IN THE FIELD AND SEE THIS? OR DID YOU JUST TALK TO THE PERSON? I KNOW YOU'VE SEEN A LOT OF STUFF, BUT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR 28. THEY WOULD HAVE LET ME SWITCH SCREENS IN DIFFERENT. WE DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF. IT'S QUAKER. I CAN ATTEST THAT IT'S PROBABLY FOUR. YEAH. SO SO WE WE DID OUR OWN INTERNAL LIKE, FACT CHECK AND SOMETIMES WE WENT INTO THE FIELD. SOMETIMES WE JUST WENT ON WHAT PEOPLE TOLD US. BUT I THINK BASED ON WHAT HE'S SAYING, WE CAN REMOVE THE CENTRAL AIR CONDITIONING AND CHANGE THE, THE CONDITION FROM FAIR TO POOR. YEAH. YEAH. AND SO I'M GONNA SAY NO COOLING THERE. RECALCULATE. COULD YOU LIVE IN THE HOUSE? IS IT SO POOR YOU COULDN'T LIVE IN IT? YEAH. HE LIVES IN THE HOUSE. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO. SO BASED ON THOSE TWO THINGS, EVEN THOUGH HE'S NOT HERE, WE RECOMMEND A NEW VET, HVAC. OH, OKAY. SO HE IT DOES HAVE AIR CONDITIONING. IT SHOULD. I WAS GOING TO SAY HE'S AN HVAC MAN. LET ME ADD THAT AND WE'LL CHANGE IT TO PORT. BUT BUT THAT'S THAT'S A FACTUAL THING. THAT'S NOT A BOARD OF. THAT'S NOT A HEARING. WE DON'T NEED TO RULE IN THAT. CORRECT. SO YEAH. SO YEAH. SO WE WE WE I THINK WE SHOULD JUST AFFIRM WHATEVER THE FINAL ASSESSMENT IS. THERE'S NO HEARING. WHAT IS THE FINAL ASSESSMENT? WELL, IT'S NO CHANGE. SO LET ME PUT IT BACK TO WHAT IT WAS AND WHAT WAS THAT? 268 EVEN. STEVEN. HOW MUCH? 268,000. I AGREE. WE CAN WE CAN CHECK IT LATER ON IF WE WANT. OKAY. ALL THESE DAMN PAPERS. ALL RIGHT. WELL, ON MY HEAD, I'M LOOKING AT THE RIGHT ONE. I DON'T KNOW, I DIDN'T GO AHEAD HERE. SO WHAT WAS THE VALUE THAT HE APPEALED? WELL, IT WAS. YEAH. I HAVEN'T CHANGED ANYTHING. OKAY. ROBERT JONES JR. ALL RIGHT. ROBERT JONES YEAH THAT'S FINE. I JUST SOUNDS GREAT. LET'S JUST JUST MOTION VOTE ON AFFIRMING IT. WE CAN. DO I HAVE ANYTHING I WANT TO FIND OUT? OKAY. WHAT IS YOUR FINAL ASSESSMENT? 268 268 YEAH. SO THAT IS UP FROM WHAT? 249. 749 SEVEN YES. I MAKE A MOTION THAT THE ASSESSMENT BE REDUCED TO 268 ON THE TOTAL PROPERTY. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT FOR DISCUSSION. OKAY. DISCUSSION. WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? HE'S NOT HERE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE PRESENTED BY THE TAXPAYER. WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALREADY MOVED. BEEN BY THE HOUSE. OKAY, SO YOU'VE GOT PERSONAL, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH THAT PLACE, AND YOU KNOW THAT IT'S BAD. OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I NEED. KEVIN. I THINK THEY WERE GOING TO. [06:25:03] KEVIN. YES, ERIC. THEY WERE GOING TO MAKE THE REDUCTION ANYWAY. YEAH. THEY WERE GOING. YEAH. SO WE'RE NOT. WE'RE NOT REDUCING IT. THEY'RE MAKING THE REDUCTION ANYWAY. OKAY. I'M AFFIRMING WHAT THEY'RE. BUT THEY'RE ALREADY HERE. DECIDED? YEAH. SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL MAKE A SIDE INSPECTION WHEN HE GETS BACK FROM VACATION IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. AND THEN WE'LL. IF WE THINK IT'S POOR, WE'LL JUST MAKE IT POOR. AND Y'ALL DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT REDUCING. YOU NEED TO BE TRACKING HERE. I THINK THE LAND VALUE WENT UP AT LEAST $20,000 SINCE 2024. SO YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE CONDITION HAS GONE DOWN BECAUSE IT'S REALLY ROUGH. OKAY. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? IS EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT THE MOTION IS? THAT WE GO WITH WHERE THE COUNTY HAD LOWERED THE ASSESSMENT 2 TO 2. 68. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED. LOWER HIS ASSESSMENT TO 268 FROM 505. JEFFREY AND RACHEL, YOU WANT TO PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME FOR ME? JUST LIKE IT SOUNDS. ALL RIGHT. WOULD YOU MIND RAISING YOUR RIGHT HAND? WOULD YOU STATE YOUR FULL NAME? RACHEL MORRIS CHAPA. DO YOU SWEAR OR PROMISE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH TODAY? UNDER PERJURY? UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY? I'M SORRY. YOU'RE TIRED. I UNDERSTAND IT'S OKAY. IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. WE RECEIVED OUR PROPOSED ASSESSMENT, AND WE SOUGHT THE INFORMATION FROM VISION SERVICES, AND WE TRIED TO CALL THE COUNTY ASSESSOR'S OFFICE TO GET MORE DETAILS, PARTICULARLY WITH REGARDS TO OUR LAND USE VALUE THAT WE RECEIVED. AND THEY INFORMED US AND WE LISTENED TO ONE OF OUR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING THAT SAID, IF YOU CALLED THE COUNTY, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO GET THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED. AND AND WHAT THE CALCULATION WAS FOR THE LAND USE VALUE OR ANY VALUE. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GET INFORMATION AS TO WHY OUR LAND USE VALUE IN PARTICULAR. THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING ABOUT TODAY. ALMOST TRIPLED FROM LAST YEAR WHEN IN COMPARISON TO AT LEAST FOUR PROPERTIES IN OUR DIRECT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE IN FOREST LAND USE HAVE MUCH LOWER LAND USE ASSESSED VALUES. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY, BECAUSE OURS IS WE GOT ANOTHER MAILING WHICH IS NOW 62 62.5. SO IT DID GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE DID PRESENT FOUR EXAMPLES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OF WHERE COMPARABLE ACREAGE PROPERTIES IN FOREST LAND USE WERE ANYWHERE FROM 10,400 IN ASSESSED VALUE FOR LAND USE, UP TO 34,500, WHICH IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN OUR 62.5. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY, BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE METHODOLOGY OF HOW THE CALCULATION WAS GIVEN, EVEN CONSIDERING IF OUR FOREST VALUE WAS EVEN IN EXCELLENT CONDITION IN THE 800 RANGE TIMES OUR ACREAGE, IT JUST DOESN'T PENCIL OUT IN MY MIND. SO WE WERE JUST SEEKING A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT COULD BE DONE TO MAYBE MATCH SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS AROUND US, BECAUSE WE'VE I'VE BEEN IN THE COUNTY MY WHOLE LIFE, AND THIS PROPERTY WAS MY PARENT'S PROPERTY. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN IN LAND USE AND WE HAVEN'T CHANGED ANYTHING ON THE PROPERTY AND NOT SURE WHY IT WOULD HAVE CHANGED SO DRASTICALLY. IT CAN'T BE ANYTHING ELSE. I CAN, I CAN EXPLAIN. SO THE METHODOLOGY IS YOU HAVE 20, 28 ACRES. SO YOU HAVE A HOUSE THERE. SO THAT ONE ACRE WHERE YOUR HOUSE AND YOUR DETACHED GARAGE SITS DOESN'T QUALIFY FOR LAND USE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT FORCED DURING IT. SO YOU HAVE ONE ACRE THAT'S CARRIED FORWARD AT THE MARKET RATE. OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHER REMAINING ACRES ARE AT THE FOREST RATE. AND THIS YEAR, THE COUNTY CHANGED THE THE PRICE PER ACRE FOR LAND USE, WHICH INCREASED. SO THAT WOULD EXPLAIN THE CHANGE. SO THE, THE ONE ACRE CHANGE ACCORDING TO THE MARKET AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, THE LAND USE VALUES PER ACRE INCREASED ACCORDING AND WE USE THE MANUAL. SO AND AS FAR AS COMPARING IT TO THE OTHER ONES, IT'S BASED UPON SOIL TYPE. [06:30:06] SO SOME OF THE OTHER ONES COULD BE LIKE YOURS IS RATED AS FAR AS GOOD. SOME OF THE OTHER ONES COULD BE FOREST AVERAGE OR WHATEVER. SO FORCE EXCELLENT. FOREST FAIR. SO THERE COULD BE OTHER AND THEY AND THEIR THE RATE PER ACRES IS DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S NOT DRASTICALLY. IT'S NOT LIKE QUADRUPLE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT IS SET BY LIKE I SAID, I UNDERSTAND IN THE COUNTY TIPPERARY ARE AVERAGE WHICH GAVE YOU THE MOST FAVORABLE RATE POSSIBLE AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT. AND THAT'S SPECIFIC TO PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY. I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT, BUT IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE WHEN LET'S SAY 11. 797 IS 34 OVER FIVE FOR THE FURTHER LAND USE VALUE. AND THAT'S A HOUSE WITH ACREAGE. I UNDERSTAND THE SOIL VALUE, BUT THAT'S HALF THE VALUE, THE SUBCATEGORIES THAT MAY HAVE AFFECTED THAT THE FAIR THAT YOU'RE SAYING THE FAIR, THE EXCELLENT AVERAGE OKAY COMES INTO PLAY. SO RIGHT NEXT DOOR. YEAH. OKAY. I'M I JUST WOULD I COULDN'T GET THE CALCULATIONS FROM ANYONE. 11 797 IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? IS THAT'S THE ONE. LET ME BRING THAT ONE UP. THAT'S THE 34 FIVE. AND THEN THERE'S TWO OTHER PARCELS THAT ARE JUST THEY AREN'T ADDRESSED. AND THEN THE PARCEL AT 12, 525 FOX WOOD IS 25 EIGHT. SO. PULLING UP THE 111 11 797 CONTINENTAL FOREST. THAT'S ON CONTINENTAL. IS THAT THE ONE? OKAY. SO THIS ONE HAS IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS 19 ACRES AT FOREST FAIR. THREE ACRES OF FOREST. EXCELLENT. 1.297 ACRES FOR FOREST. GOOD ALSO HAS A HOUSE, BUT THIS ONE HAS A MARKET CARRY FORWARD OF ONLY 0.36. AND IT SHOULD BE ONE. SO THIS ONE SHOULD ACTUALLY BE HIGHER FROM WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING. HAVING JUST LET ME JUST LOOKED AT IT RIGHT NOW. SO THAT'S YOUR THAT'S YOUR DIRECT NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH. AND THEN THERE'S 15. WELL, THERE'S 12. FIVE. 25. BOXWOOD. 12. FIVE. 25. THREE. TWO. OH! HOLD ON. LET ME CLICK ON IT. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS ONE HAS THIS WAS ALSO FORCED. GOOD. BUT THEY HAVE TWO ACRES AT THE MARKET RATE. AND MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVE TWO HOUSES. I'M NOT SURE WHY. YES, IT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVE. THEY HAVE MORE LAND AREAS THAT IS NOT BEING FORESTED. SO THAT THAT COULD BE WHY. SO THAT EXPLAINS THE DISCREPANCY. OKAY. THANK YOU. I WAS JUST HOPING FOR MAYBE, LIKE, WHEN I CALLED, I COULDN'T GET ANYBODY TO ANSWER ANY OF MY QUESTIONS. AND IT'S IT SAYS ON YOUR WEBSITE THE METHODOLOGY WOULD BE PROVIDED. I COULD HAVE SAVED YOU ALL A LOT OF TIME. I'M SORRY THAT YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH SO MUCH THIS YEAR. I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S OKAY. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. THANK YOU. AND I'M JUST HAPPY THAT YOU'RE SATISFIED WITH THE ANSWER THAT YOU GOT. IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE I'VE GOT ANOTHER OPTION, BUT THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? NO, I DIDN'T. IT DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE ON THAT SECOND PROPERTY. IT HAD MORE LAND THAT WAS NOT FORESTED. WOULDN'T THAT DRIVE UP? WE'RE TAPING. YOU HAVE TO COME ON THE MICROPHONE. YEP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ON THAT SECOND PROPERTY, IF THERE'S MORE. COULD YOU SPEAK INTO THE MIC ON THAT? SORRY. ON THE SECOND PROPERTY, IF THERE'S MORE LAND THAT'S NOT BEING FORESTED. WOULDN'T THAT DRIVE UP THE COST? BECAUSE THERE'S THERE'S MORE LAND THAT'S NOT IN USE. [06:35:02] YEAH. I MEAN, WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THEIR, THEIR LAND USE VALUE IS. IT'S ALSO GOOD. SO IT'S THE SAME RATE AS YOURS. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND SO THE ASSESSMENT HISTORY THEIR. THIRD OR FOURTH ROW IS 95,000. SO THEY'RE THEY'RE ACTUALLY PAYING TAXES ON MORE OF THEIR MARKET VALUE THAN YOURS. RIGHT. YES. BUT THEIR THEIR VALUE IS LOWER THAN OURS. WHAT DO YOU MEAN THEY'RE THE ASSESSED VALUE. THE LAND USE VALUE. NO, IT'S YOU TO COMPARE TO COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES. THEY'RE. THEY'RE EXACTLY THE SAME. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOURS AND THEM IS THEY HAVE TWO ACRES THAT ARE AT THE MARKET RATE, WHEREAS YOU HAVE ONE. THAT'S WHAT I'M SEEING. SO TWO ACRES AT THE MARKET RATE VERSUS ONE SHOULD DRIVE THE COST UP HIGHER VERSUS LAND USE. I THINK SO, YES. RIGHT. BUT BUT NO BUT IT'S NOT REPORTED ENVISION AS THE LAND USE. I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THIS. I'M READING IT CORRECTLY BECAUSE I WANT TO TELL YOU WRONG. YEAH. TWO ACRES. OF MARKET CARRY FORWARD IS NOT ON THE PHONE AT ALL. AND ALSO LIKE ON THIS, THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. THEY HAVE ADJUSTMENTS. LIKE WHAT? WETLANDS AND SOMETHING ELSE. SO ON THE 512525 FOX, WOULD THEY HAVE ADJUSTMENTS? ACTUALLY, I'M SHOWING YOU ON THE SCREEN SO YOU CAN FOLLOW ALONG. THEY HAVE SUBSTANTIAL ADJUSTMENTS. SO THE DIFFERENCE IS THESE PEOPLE HAVE ADJUSTMENTS TO THEIR MARKET RATE. AND EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE MORE MARKET CARRY FORWARD BECAUSE THERE ARE BIGGER ADJUSTMENTS ON THEIR LAND, THAT MARKET CARRY FORWARD IS LOWER. SO IT'S A LONG ROUNDABOUT WAY. BUT WE GOT THERE. OKAY. SO SO WE DO HAVE YOU DON'T YOU HAVE. SO SHOW SOME WETLANDS ON OUR PROPERTY TOO. YOU HAVE A CREEK AT THE BOTTOM. YEAH. LET ME GO BACK TO YOURS. AND AGAIN, THIS IS THIS IS SURPRISING TO ME BECAUSE ALL THE OTHER I'M SEEING THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME, LIKE SO. NOTHING TO HIDE, LIKE ALL THE OTHER PROPERTIES WE LOOKED AT, HAD BIFURCATED LAND LINES, LIKE ONE ACRE AT SOMETHING AND THEN THE OTHER ONES THAT THEY HAD TWO DIFFERENT LANDLINES. THIS ONE ONLY HAS ONE. SO WHAT'S YOUR ADDRESS AGAIN? I'M SORRY. 12090. BOX ONE. SO YOU HAVE TWO THREE DIFFERENT LAND LINES. SO THAT'S ONE THING. AND THEN WE LOOK AT THIS, YOU HAVE YOU HAVE WETLANDS ADJUSTMENTS. YOU HAVE SHAPE OKAY. YEAH OKAY. SHAPE WETLANDS. YOU ALSO HAVE A RESTRICTIVE EASEMENT ON ACCESS. YOU GOT FOUR OF THEM. YOU GOT FOUR. YEAH. OKAY. SO YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT, BUT AT LEAST WE WERE ABLE. WE WERE TO GIVE YOU SOME SOME KIND OF EXPLANATION. THANK YOU. AND THEN CAME. IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET THE CALCULATION? LIKE HOW? THAT'S ALL RIGHT. YES. SO IF YOU. IF YOU CALL US FRIDAY. YEAH. CALL THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE FRIDAY. THIS IS A THIS IS CALLED THE LAND COST REPORT. OKAY. WE'LL PRINT IT AND EMAIL IT TO YOU. OKAY. MOST PEOPLE, WHEN THEY SEE THE LAND USE VALUE OF 800, WHATEVER AN ACRE, THEY THINK NATURALLY, YOU JUST MULTIPLY THAT TIMES THE ACREAGE AMOUNT. THERE'S MORE TO IT. SO IT'S HARD TO ACTUALLY FIGURE OUT HOW THE NUMBER IS CREATED. SO THAT'S WHERE IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING FOR JUST A REGULAR PERSON. YEAH, IT'S IT'S AFTER FIVE. I'M CONFUSED MYSELF. I'M. I'M. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU GUYS. SORRY IT WAS LATER THAN YOUR APPOINTMENT. WE HAVE A MOTION. TALK ABOUT YOURS SORRY. YEAH. I'LL MAKE A MOTION ON THIS. YEAH, I MOVE THAT. WE FIRM THE ASSESSMENT. OH, I THOUGHT WE ALREADY DID. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? I'M SORRY, MISS SMITH. I DID. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. [06:40:02] OPPOSED? THANK YOU ALL. MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE. MOTION TO ADJOURN. I WILL MOVE, I MOVE THAT, I MOVE THAT THE MEETING BE ADJOURNED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL OPPOSED? TO THE MIC FOR NOW. YEAH. I'M SORRY. OH, LORDY. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.