[A. Call to Order (6:00 pm)]
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>> [NOISE] GOOD EVENING. IT IS NOW 6:00 PM.
TODAY IS APRIL THE 23RD, AND IT IS TIME FOR OUR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WORK SESSION.
FIRST THING WE'LL DO IS, MRS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> NEXT, WE WILL MOVE INTO THE BUSINESS MEETING.
[B. Business Meeting]
I WILL DO THE BOARD'S INVOCATION, AND MR. COX WILL DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.HEAVENLY FATHER, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO MEET AGAIN THIS EVENING.
HEAVENLY FATHER, WATCH OVER THIS BOARD AS WE GO THROUGH THIS WORK SESSION TO GET AN UPDATE AND A BETTER IDEA OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LEARNING THINGS THAT WILL HELP US TO BE BETTER AS SUPERVISORS HERE IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.
HEAVENLY FATHER, WATCH OVER ALL OF THOSE THAT WANTED TO BE HERE OR MAY NOT BE HERE.
HEAVENLY FATHER, WATCH OVER OUR FIRE, OR POLICE, OUR EMS, ALL OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY, ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES, AND EACH AND EVERY PERSON THAT'S HERE AND UNDER THE SOUND OF MY VOICE.
WE ASK ALL OF THIS IN YOUR NAME THIS EVENING. AMEN.
>> THANK YOU, MR. COX, FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
WE WILL NOW GO INTO THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.
AT THIS TIME, BOARD MEMBERS, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE OUR AGENDA.
>> MR. CHAIR, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
>> IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. PUGH AND SECOND BY MRS. WAYMACK TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS SO STATED.
YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? MRS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> YES. WE ARE NOW MOVING INTO THE WORK SESSION,
[C. Work Session]
AND WE'LL START TONIGHT WITH A 2045 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHECK-IN UPDATE.>> GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN BROWN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT THE COUNTY IS WORKING ON.
I'M THE MAIN PERSON INTERFACING WITH THE CONSULTING GROUP THAT THE COUNTY HAS HIRED, THE BERKLEY GROUP.
WE'VE BEEN HARD AT WORK ON TAKING A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT AND PUTTING THAT INTO A DOCUMENT THAT COULD TAKE US FORWARD.
THERE'S JUST BEEN A LOT OF WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THIS, AND WE STILL GOT PLENTY MORE AHEAD OF US.
COLLECTIVELY, THE COUNTY DOES.
WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO GIVING YOU A NICE UPDATE TONIGHT AND HAVE A PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION.
WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE BERKLEY GROUP TO GIVE YOU THIS UPDATE.
>> THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE HAVE BEEN TOGETHER.
JUST AS A REMINDER, MY NAME IS KATHERINE REDFERN, PROJECT MANAGER WITH THE BERKLEY GROUP, PARTNERING WITH YOU ALL TO HELP YOU UPDATE YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
LOOK AT THE TECHNOLOGY. THERE WE GO.
OUR AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING IS A SCHEDULE AND PROGRESS UPDATE.
I'LL UPDATE YOU ALL ON THE PROGRESS WE'VE MADE SINCE WE WERE LAST TOGETHER IN DECEMBER.
THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO DISCUSSING OR PRESENTING THE PLANNING GOALS THAT HAVE BEEN DRAFTED FOR THE FIVE POLICY CHAPTERS CURRENTLY DRAFTED FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS IS BOTH TO INFORM YOU, BUT ALSO THE GOALS THAT WERE DRAFTED FOR THE CHAPTERS REALLY FEED INTO ITEM NUMBER 3 ON OUR SCHEDULE HERE, THE FUTURE LAND USE CONCEPT.
I'LL BE PRESENTING SOME OF THE CONCEPTS THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED ALONG WITH STAFF THAT WILL BE PART OF THE FUTURE LAND USE CHAPTER OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS ARGUABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, REALLY THE HEART OF THE DOCUMENT.
WHERE ARE WE IN THE PROCESS? WE ARE STILL IN PHASE 2 THE DRAFTING PHASE, BUT NEARING THE END.
WE HAVE HAD TWO CHECK-IN MEETINGS.
THIS IS NOW OUR SECOND CHECK-IN MEETING WITH THE BOARD AND FOUR OF THE SIX WORK SESSIONS WITH PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE HAVE A FEW MORE WORK SESSIONS LEFT TO GO BEFORE THE FULL PLAN IS DRAFTED.
AT THAT POINT, WE WILL COMPILE THE PLAN AND PRESENT
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IT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THEIR MAY WORK SESSION.AFTER THAT, THE FULLY DRAFTED PLAN WILL ENTER THE REVIEW AND REFINEMENT PHASE, THE LAST PHASE OF PROJECT UPDATE, WHERE WE WILL PRESENT THE PLAN TO VDOT AND TO DEQ FOR THEIR REVIEW, AS WELL AS OVER THE PUBLIC FOR THEIR REVIEW AS WELL.
FROM THERE, WE HAVE SCOPED A FINAL REVIEW WORK SESSION, BOTH WITH YOU ALL AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHERE WE WILL DISCUSS THE FULLY DRAFTED PLAN, AS WELL AS ANY COMMENTS WE'VE RECEIVED FROM VDOT AND DEQ, AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC.
FROM THERE, THE PLAN, AFTER INCORPORATING EDITS, MOVES INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
I DO WANT TO POINT OUT ON THIS LAST COLUMN, THE LAND USE TOOLS DIAGNOSTIC.
INCORPORATED INTO THIS SCOPE OF WORK IS A DIAGNOSTIC OF YOUR CURRENT ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES.
BASICALLY, A COMPARISON OF YOUR CURRENT ORDINANCES AGAINST WHAT WILL BE THE NEWLY DRAFTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
COMPARING THE ORDINANCES TO THE GOALS AND STRATEGIES INCLUDED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HOW TO BEST UPDATE YOUR ORDINANCES SO THAT THEY CAN SUPPORT AND IMPLEMENT THE PLAN ITSELF.
THIS IS A CLOSER LOOK AT THE DRAFTING SCHEDULE THAT WE'VE EMBARKED ON.
WE ARE HERE IN APRIL AT THE BOARD MEETING.
WE HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED IN MAY WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THEN OUR FINAL REGULAR MEETING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN JULY.
THESE ARE THE LAST MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE SCHEDULED.
WE'LL BE SCHEDULING THOSE OPEN HOUSES AND THE FINAL REVIEW WORK SESSIONS, FINDING DATES THAT WORK FOR EVERYONE AFTER THAT MAY WORK SESSION.
I'LL PAUSE HERE. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SCHEDULE, WHERE WE ARE, AND WHERE WE'RE HEADED BEFORE WE MOVE INTO PLAN CONTENT?
>> ANY QUESTIONS? NO. WE'RE GOOD.
THIS IS THE STRUCTURE OF THE PLAN THAT WE ARE DRAFTING ALONG WITH STAFF AND PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE PLAN STRUCTURE INCLUDES TWO INTRODUCTORY CHAPTERS THAT ESTABLISH PLAN AUTHORITY, AS WELL AS PLAN THEMES AND CATALYST PROJECTS.
THOSE PROJECTS ARE STRATEGIES, WHICH REALLY ARE MEANT TO KICK-START THE PLANNING PROCESS.
THE PLAN ALSO INCLUDES SIX POLICY CHAPTERS THAT ARE ORGANIZED INTO THREE CATEGORIES.
THE FIRST OF THOSE ARE YOUR COMMUNITY ASSET CHAPTERS, SO PHYSICAL COMPONENTS OF THE COUNTY THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW, NATURAL AND CULTURAL RESOURCES, COMMUNITY RESOURCES SUCH AS SCHOOLS, EMERGENCY FACILITIES, AND OTHER PUBLIC FACILITIES.
THE NEXT GROUP OF CHAPTERS ARE YOUR ECONOMIC DRIVER CHAPTERS.
THESE ARE TRANSPORTATION AND CONNECTIVITY, AS WELL AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THEN THE FINAL TWO POLICY CHAPTERS ARE YOUR STRATEGIC GROWTH CHAPTERS.
THEY ADDRESS HOUSING AND LAND USE AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE HAVE DRAFTED CHAPTERS 3, 04, 5, 6, AND 7 OF THE POLICY CHAPTERS AND ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DRAFTING THE LAND USE CHAPTER, AND WE'LL BE PRESENTING SOME OF THAT CONTENT TONIGHT.
I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE FINAL CHAPTER HERE, CHAPTER 9, THE IMPLEMENTATION CHAPTER, REALLY BECOMES THE WORK PLAN FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT TAKES ALL OF THE STRATEGIES, WHICH ARE ACTIONS OR PROGRAMS THAT ARE DESCRIBED WITHIN THE POLICY CHAPTERS AND PULLS THEM TOGETHER IN A CHECKLIST OF SORTS THAT INCLUDES THE ACTUAL PROJECT OR THE ACTION TIME FRAME, APPROXIMATE COSTS, AS WELL AS RESPONSIBLE PARTIES.
THIS BECOMES YOUR TO-DO LIST, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE GOALS AND THE VISION OF THE PLAN ARE IMPLEMENTED.
WHICH BRINGS US TO THE PLANNING GOALS.
THE NEXT PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION, I'LL BE PRESENTING THE PLANNING GOALS AND OBJECTIVES THAT ARE PART OF THE CURRENTLY DRAFTED CHAPTERS FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE SLIDES WILL LOOK LIKE THIS, WITH THE GOAL STATEMENT IN BOLD AND BLUE, AND THEN THE OBJECTIVE STATEMENTS TO THE SIDE IN RED.
THERE ARE 3-4 OBJECTIVE STATEMENTS FOR EACH OF THE POLICY CHAPTERS.
THERE ARE ALSO THE SUPPORTING STRATEGIES.
AGAIN, THOSE PLANS AND PROGRAMS THAT I MENTIONED THAT FALL UNDER EACH OF THE OBJECTIVES FOR EACH OF THE CHAPTERS.
I'M NOT GOING TO PRESENT ALL OF THOSE TONIGHT.
OTHERWISE, WE WILL BE HERE ALL NIGHT, BUT THOSE STRATEGIES ARE IN THE DRAFTED CHAPTERS THAT HAVE BEEN POSTED ONLINE.
I'M ALSO NOT GOING TO READ THE GOAL STATEMENTS AND OBJECTIVE STATEMENTS VERBATIM.
YOU ALL CAN DO THAT. YOU CAN READ ALONG.
BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS POINT OUT THE KEY FOCUS AREAS OF EACH OF THE CHAPTERS AND SPECIFICALLY POINT OUT HOW THOSE FOCUS AREAS, PLANS, AND GOALS THEN RELATE TO THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN THAT IS IN DEVELOPMENT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? NATURAL AND CULTURAL RESOURCES CHAPTER,
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ONE OF THE FIRST CHAPTERS WE DRAFTED.FOCUS AREA HERE IS REALLY ON PROTECTION OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AND ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
THIS INCLUDES COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CHESAPEAKE CONSERVATION ACT.
AS A CHESAPEAKE BAY COMMUNITY, YOU ALL KNOW THAT THERE ARE EXTRA REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU NEED TO MEET, AND ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE INCLUDED IN THIS CHAPTER OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE PLAN ALSO DISCUSSES PROTECTION OF RURAL CHARACTER, IN PARTICULAR, PROTECTION OF AGRICULTURAL LANDS AND THE CULTURAL HERITAGE BEHIND AGRICULTURE AND AGRICULTURAL HERITAGE IN THE COUNTY, AND THEN HOW TO PLAN FOR RESILIENCE AGAINST NATURAL HAZARDS SUCH AS FLOODING AND STORM EVENTS.
YOU'LL SEE THESE GOALS REFLECTED REALLY ACROSS THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.
BUT SPECIFICALLY, THROUGH THE RURAL PRESERVATION LAND USE TYPE, WHICH AIMS TO LIMIT DEVELOPMENT IN THE RURAL AREAS OF THE COUNTY AND PRIORITIZE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.
THE COMMUNITY RESOURCES CHAPTER.
THIS CHAPTER FOCUSES ON IMPROVING AND EXPANDING PUBLIC SERVICES REALLY TO MEET THE NEEDS OF WHAT IS A GROWING COUNTY.
THIS INCLUDES EMERGENCY RESPONSE, SCHOOLS, AS WELL AS RECREATIONAL AND QUALITY OF LIFE AMENITIES.
IN PARTICULAR, AND WHAT WE HEARD QUITE A BIT OF THROUGH THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS, IS GETTING FOLKS ACCESS TO THOSE NATURAL AND RECREATIONAL FEATURES THAT THE COUNTY HAS SO MANY OF, BUT RIGHT NOW ARE HARD TO ACCESS, SO MAKING SURE PEOPLE HAVE A PLACE TO LAUNCH THEIR KAYAK, TO GO FOR A HIKE, TO RIDE THEIR BIKE.
LIKE I SAID, WE KNOW THAT THE COUNTY IS GROWING.
DATA AND POPULATION PROJECTIONS SHOW THAT.
THE PLAN IS NOT ONLY ABOUT SAYING WHERE THE COUNTY COULD GROW OR SHOULD GROW OR HOW IT SHOULD GROW, BUT ALSO MAKING SURE THAT IT HAS ADEQUATE SERVICES TO SUPPORT THAT GROWING POPULATION REALLY, AND TO SUPPORT IT IN A SUSTAINABLE WAY FOR THE LONG TERM.
THIS IS REFLECTED, AS YOU'LL SEE, IN THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, THROUGH THE DESIGNATION OF UTILITY SERVICE AREAS, WHERE WE'RE PRIORITIZING THE PROVISION OF SERVICES SO THAT THERE'S AN EFFICIENT USE OF COUNTY FUNDS TO SUPPORT GROWTH.
THE NEXT CHAPTER IS YOUR TRANSPORTATION AND CONNECTIVITY CHAPTER.
THIS CHAPTER REALLY FOCUSES ON IMPROVING OVERALL SAFETY AND EFFICIENCY, PARTICULARLY AT INTERSECTIONS OR ALONG IDENTIFIED CORRIDORS LIKE 460, WHERE THERE ARE IDENTIFIED SAFETY ISSUES, AND THEN CREATING A MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION NETWORK.
REALLY, WHAT THAT MEANS IS A TRANSPORTATION NETWORK THAT ACCOMMODATES VEHICLES, IT ACCOMMODATES PEDESTRIANS, IT ACCOMMODATES BIKES, REALLY, ALL THE WAYS THAT PEOPLE GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B.
OF COURSE, IT COORDINATES THAT TRANSPORTATION NETWORK CLOSELY WITH LAND USE.
THIS IS SEEN IN THE LAND USE PLAN THROUGH THE DESIGNATION OF VILLAGE CENTER OVERLAYS, WHICH PRIORITIZE TRADITIONAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS WITH THAT MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION NETWORK, AS WELL AS YOU'LL SEE INTERSTATE EXIT OVERLAYS AND ROUTE 460 QUARTER OVERLAY WITH SPECIFIC GUIDANCE FOR IMPROVING CONNECTIVITY AT THOSE SPECIFIC LOCATIONS.
NEXT IS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CHAPTER.
THIS CHAPTER FOCUSES ON POSITIONING THE COUNTY FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BALANCED.
ESSENTIALLY, THIS MEANS CREATING A DIVERSE AND ROBUST ECONOMIC BASE, AND PARTICULARLY ONE THAT CREATES THAT DIVERSE BASE WHILE MAINTAINING THE COUNTY'S RURAL CHARACTER OF THE RURAL AREAS.
THIS INCLUDES MAKING STRATEGIC INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS TO SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT, AND LEVERAGING THE COUNTY'S PRIME LOCATION AND EXISTING ECONOMIC INITIATIVES TO GROW BUSINESSES AND JOBS.
AS WE KNOW, THE COUNTY OCCUPIES PRETTY PRIME LOCATION ALONG A MAJOR TRANSPORTATION ROUTE AND FREIGHT ROUTES.
WE KNOW FROM COMMUTER DATA THAT THERE'S A HIGH NUMBER OF BOTH IN AND OUT COMMUTERS TO PRINCE GEORGE.
THE FOCUS HERE IS REALLY ON LEVERAGING THAT LOCATION AND CREATING MORE JOB OPPORTUNITIES LOCALLY TO KEEP JOBS HERE.
AGAIN, YOU'LL SEE THIS REFLECTED IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THROUGH THE UTILITIES SERVICE AREA DESIGNATION, WATER AND SEWER NETWORKS, AS WELL AS THE DESIGNATION OF A COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL LAND USE TYPE TO SUPPORT APPROPRIATE COMMERCIAL AND BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT.
NEXT CHAPTER IS THE HOUSING CHAPTER.
AGAIN, WE KNOW THAT THE COUNTY IS GROWING, AND LIKE MOST LOCALITIES IN VIRGINIA,
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REALLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THERE IS A NEED FOR HOUSING OF ALL TYPES FOR ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE.THIS CHAPTER FOCUSES ON STRATEGIES TO MEET THAT DEMAND FOR HOUSING AND CREATING THE HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE HEARD THROUGHOUT THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS, THE PLACES THAT PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE.
THAT'S NAMELY THESE VILLAGE CENTERS.
PLACES WHERE THEY CAN WALK TO A CORNER STORE, THEY CAN WALK TO A PARK.
THEY CAN HAVE THEIR DAILY NEEDS MET CLOSE TO WHERE THEY LIVE.
AGAIN, YOU'LL SEE THIS REFLECTED IN THE LAND USE MAP, CERTAINLY THROUGH THE VILLAGE CENTER OVERLAYS, BUT ALSO THROUGH THE MARKET RESIDENTIAL AND NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL LAND USE DESIGNATIONS THAT REALLY PROVIDE THAT FOUNDATION FOR DIVERSE MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOODS AND PROVIDE HOUSING THAT'S GOING TO SUPPORT STRATEGIC GROWTH IN THE COUNTY.
THERE WE GO. I'LL PAUSE AGAIN.
ARE THERE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE DRAFT GOAL STATEMENTS AND OBJECTIVE STATEMENTS FOR THE FIVE CURRENTLY DRAFTED POLICY CHAPTERS?
>> WE'LL GET INTO THE MEAT OF IT, WHICH IS THE DRAFT FUTURE LAND USE CONCEPT.
ESSENTIALLY, WHAT I'M GOING TO BE PRESENTING OVER THE NEXT FEW SLIDES IS OUR THREE-STEP PROCESS TO CREATING A FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
THE CHAPTER, LIKE I SAID, IS STILL IN DEVELOPMENT.
WE DON'T HAVE A LAND USE MAP DRAFTED QUITE YET, BUT WE HAVE DONE, OF COURSE, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT RESULTS RELATED TO LAND USE IN THE COUNTY.
WE HAVE DONE SOME PRETTY IN-DEPTH DATA ANALYSIS.
I'LL PRESENT OUR DEVELOPMENT SUITABILITY MODEL.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS, WHAT IMPLICATIONS THAT HAS FOR DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE COUNTY.
THEN FINALLY, WE'LL PRESENT THE DRAFT LAND USE TYPES AND HAVE A CONVERSATION AROUND HOW THEY FIT AND WHERE THEY MIGHT FIT ON YOUR LAND USE MAP.
YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THIS MAP BEFORE.
THIS IS THE DIAGRAMMATIC REPRESENTATION OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT RESULTS RELATED TO LAND USE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY.
THIS, LIKE I SAID, IT'S DIAGRAMMATIC, SO IT'S BLOB HERE AND A BLOB THERE, GENERALLY REPRESENTING CONVERSATIONS AND WRITTEN RESPONSES THAT WE COLLECTED THROUGHOUT THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT EFFORT.
WE REALLY ASKED TWO I WOULD SAY TWO CORE QUESTIONS DURING THAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT EFFORT, WAS ONE, HOW SHOULD THE PLANNING AREA OR SHOULD THE PLANNING AREA BOUNDARY BE ADJUSTED TO MEET THE DEVELOPMENT AND PRESERVATION GOALS OF THE COUNTY? HOW MIGHT WE DO THAT? THEN TWO, WHERE AND WHAT TYPES OF NEW RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT SHOULD GO WHERE IN THE COUNTY AND WHAT DOES THAT DEVELOPMENT LOOK LIKE? WHAT DOES IT FEEL LIKE? THOSE RESULTS ARE SHOWN HERE ON THIS MAP.
YOU CAN SEE THE BLACK DASHED LINE THAT MEANDERS ITS WAY FROM ONE END OF THE COUNTY TO THE OTHER.
THAT'S THE GENERAL REPRESENTATION OF HOW FOLKS FELT THE PLANNING AREA BOUNDARY SHOULD BE ADJUSTED.
PULLING IT DOWN TO INCORPORATE TEMPLETON AND PULLING IT BACK UP TO HUG 156, AND THEN MORE OR LESS CONTINUING ITS CURRENT LINE ACROSS THE REST OF THE COUNTY.
BUT THEN ALSO EXPANDING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT DOWN THE 95 AND 301 CORRIDOR TOWARDS TEMPLETON, AND IN PARTICULAR, EXPANDING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT DOWN THE 460 CORRIDOR DOWN TO DISPUTANTA.
THEN FOCUSING SOME HIGHER DENSITY OR MIX OF DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AROUND THE PRINCE GEORGE COURTHOUSE WHERE WE ARE NOW AND AREAS NORTH AND SOUTH OF THAT AREA.
UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAD TO SAY ABOUT LAND USE, GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY.
WE THEN EMBARKED ON WHAT WE CALL A DEVELOPMENT SUITABILITY ANALYSIS FOR THE COUNTY.
THIS IS WHERE WE TAKE DATA, THE DATA THAT WE COLLECTED THROUGH THE DRAFTING OF THE OTHER POLICY CHAPTERS, DATA THAT WE COLLECTED THROUGHOUT FIELD RESEARCH AND PULL IT TOGETHER IN A GIS MODEL TO REALLY GIVE US THIS OBJECTIVE DATA DRIVEN WAY TO DETERMINE WHERE WE OR SHOULD NOT BE DEVELOPING IN THE COUNTY.
THOSE DATA POINTS OF FALL INTO TWO BUCKETS.
YOU'VE GOT DEVELOPMENT CONSTRAINTS, SO THOSE THINGS THAT LIMIT DEVELOPMENT AND DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES, THOSE THINGS THAT SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT.
SOMETIMES THERE'S, THEY STRADDLE THE LINE OR THEY CROSS THE LINE, BUT MORE OR LESS, THAT'S WHAT THESE TWO MAPS ARE SHOWING US.
IN THE DEVELOPMENT CONSTRAINTS, YOU'VE GOT A VARIETY OF ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES MAPPED AND THEY'RE SHOWN THE MOST ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE IN RED TO THE LEAST ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AND WHITE.
YOU SEE THE LEGEND UNDER THIS MAP.
THE MOST ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS INCLUDE THINGS LIKE FLOODPLAIN, YOUR RPA, YOUR RESOURCE PROTECTION AREAS.
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FEDERALLY OWNED LANDS LIKE THE NATIONAL WILDLIFE REFUGE, PARK AND OTHER AREAS THAT ARE OTHERWISE OUT OF PLAY, SO TO SPEAK, FOR DEVELOPMENT.THEN YOU HAVE OTHER AREAS THAT ARE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE.
MAYBE THEY'RE PRIME AGRICULTURAL LANDS OR THERE AS YET UNDISTURBED FORESTS OR JUST OTHERWISE IN SOME OTHER WAY UNDEVELOPED, THOSE FALL IN THAT SPECTRUM FROM ORANGE TO YELLOW TO GREEN.
THEN YOUR LEAST SENSITIVE AREAS, WHICH ARE BY AND LARGE, THOSE AREAS WHICH HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN DISTURBED OR DEVELOPED.
YOU THEN COMPARE THAT TO THE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES MAP, WHICH IS SHOWING US IN SOME WAYS, THE INVERSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT CONSTRAINTS MAP.
THIS MAP IS SHOWING US CONCENTRATIONS OF EXISTING DEVELOPMENT OR EXISTING LAND USE PATTERNS.
THE MOST INTENSE AREAS OF DEVELOPMENT SHOWN IN BLUE AND THE AREAS OF LEAST INTENSE DEVELOPMENT SHOWN IN WHITE.
THIS MAP IS ALSO SHOWING US EXISTING WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE, AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED UTILITY SERVICE AREA IN BLUE AND THEN THAT TRANSITION AREA BETWEEN THE UTILITY SERVICE AREA AND THE PLANNING AREA BOUNDARY.
THOSE CONCEPTS WERE PRESENTED TO YOU ALL AT THE DECEMBER MEETING AND ARE STILL IN DEVELOPMENT AS PART OF THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE PROCESS.
THE DATA BEHIND EACH OF THESE MAPS WAS PUT INTO A GIS MODEL AND THIS IS WHAT IT RETURNED TO US ESSENTIALLY.
ALL OF THOSE LAYERS WERE PUT INTO THE MODEL AND ESSENTIALLY ASSIGNED A WEIGHT OF IMPORTANCE.
LIKE, HOW IMPORTANT IS IT TO PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY, THIS PARTICULAR DATA SET? IT SPITS OUT THIS MAP THAT SHOWS US, AGAIN, A SPECTRUM FROM MOST SUITABLE TO LEAST SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT.
IN THIS CASE, DARK GREEN IS THE MOST SUITABLE AND ON DOWN TO RED IS THE SUITABLE.
THIS MAP IS INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE SOME PRETTY CLEAR PATTERNS, SOME PRETTY CLEAR AREAS WHERE IT IS NOT SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT.
OBVIOUSLY, FLOODPLAIN, RPA ARE NOT SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT.
BUT THEY ARE LARGE SPATHS OF WHAT IS CURRENTLY THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA, WHICH FALL IN TO THIS LIKE MID TO LESS SUITABLE AREA, BECAUSE THEY ARE PRIME AGRICULTURAL LANDS, BECAUSE THEY'RE CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED, BECAUSE THEY'RE FAR AWAY FROM INFRASTRUCTURE.
THEN, OF COURSE, AREAS CLOSER TO WHERE WE ARE NOW, CLOSER UP TO THE FORT AND THE INTERSTATES ARE MORE SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT.
ALL OF THIS INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A TOOL.
THIS IS NOT YOUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
THIS IS JUST A TOOL TO HELP US MAKE SOME INFORMED, SOME DATA DRIVEN DECISIONS ABOUT WHERE THE COUNTY CAN OR CANNOT OR SHOULD NOT SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT.
BUT I THINK WHAT YOU CAN START TO SEE, AND I'LL GO MORE TO THE NEXT MAP I MIGHT NEED TO TOGGLE BETWEEN THE TWO.
I WHEN YOU ASK THAT QUESTION THAT WE ASKED THE COMMUNITY OVER THE SUMMER, HOW COULD WE OR WHERE SHOULD WE ADJUST THE PLANNING AREA BOUNDARY.
THIS GIVES US SOME PRETTY HARD DATA TO START MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THAT END. THERE YOU GO.
THIS IS A MAP THAT SHOWS AREAS WHERE BASED ON THE DATA, ALSO BASED ON WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY, WE MIGHT CONSIDER ADJUSTING IN THE PLANNING AREA BOUNDARY, IF I GO BACK TO THE OTHER MAP.
IT IS SHOWN IN THIS DARK BLUE LINE HERE.
CURRENT PLANNING AREA BOUNDARY AND THEN IN THESE BLACK LINES WITH SOME OF THEM HAVE GRAINED THEM WHERE WE MIGHT ADJUST THAT PLANNING AREA BOUNDARY.
WE WORKSHOP THIS MAP WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THEIR MARCH WORK SESSION AND TO A CONSENSUS THAT THESE COULD BE APPROPRIATE AREAS TO ADJUST THE PLANNING AREA BOUNDARY.
THEY INCLUDE EXTENDING THE BOUNDARY DOWN TO TAKE IN TEMPLETON, SO THAT'S AREA A ON THIS MAP.
IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE SUITABILITY MAP, WHICH IS UNDERLAID ON THIS MAP, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO SEE.
THAT AREA IS SHOWN IN GREEN BASED ON THIS MODEL HAS A HIGH SUITABILITY TO SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT.
OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S CURRENT DEVELOPMENT THERE.
IT'S AT AN INTERSTATE INTERCHANGE, SO IT HAS POTENTIAL FOR MORE DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE.
IT COULD BE APPROPRIATE TO EXPAND THE PLANNING AREA BOUNDARY TO TAKE IN TEMPLETON.
WHEREAS AREA B IS SHOWN ON THIS MAP, JUST SOUTH OF 156 THERE.
IT'S ACCORDING TO DEVELOPMENT MODEL SHOWN IN THIS ORANGEY COLOR, IT'S LESS SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT.
THAT MIGHT BE A WAY WITH AN EYE TOWARDS PROTECTING MORE OF THE RURAL AREA OF THE COUNTY THAT WE PULL BACK THE PLANNING AREA BOUNDARY.
THAT AREA WOULD REVERT TO RURAL CONSERVATION AREA.
AREA C IS SHOWING A CORRIDOR ALONG 460,
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GOING DOWN TO GRAB DISPUTANTA.AGAIN, THERE EXISTING SERVICES, THERE'S EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THE DEVELOPMENT SUITABILITY MODEL IS SHOWING THE POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPMENT ALONG THAT CORRIDOR.
AREA D IS AN AREA WHERE WE WOULD PULL BACK THE PLANNING AREA BOUNDARY.
AGAIN, SOME HIGHLY SENSITIVE ECOLOGICAL LANDS THERE, FLOODPLAIN AREAS WHERE THERE IS AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT WITH AN EYE TOWARDS PROTECTING AS MUCH LAND AS POSSIBLE, PULLING THE PLANNING AREA BOUNDARY BACK TOWARDS 156.
THEN THE LAST AREA SHOWN ON THIS MAP HERE, AREA E IS THE SMALL LITTLE AREA THAT WOULD TAKE IN NORTH ELEMENTARY AND THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS GROUNDED INTO THE PLANNING AREA.
SINCE THERE IS EXISTING COMMUNITY SERVICES THERE, THERE IS SOME INFRASTRUCTURE THERE.
PULLING THAT INTO THE PLANNING AREA BOUNDARY.
I'LL LET YOU ALL SIT WITH THAT FOR A LITTLE BIT.
IF YOU HAVE THOUGHTS OR QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
QUESTIONS, ANYONE? MAY I ASK A QUESTION? YES, MA'AM.
DID YOU GET A CONSENSUS FROM CITIZENS ABOUT [INAUDIBLE] WE DID ASK A QUESTION, WHAT DOES RURAL MEAN TO YOU? I DON'T HAVE THE FULL RESULTS IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT SUMMARY IS, I BELIEVE IT'S ONLINE.
IT'S ONLINE. THERE WOULD BE A RESPONSE TO THAT QUESTION.
WHAT STANDARD WAS APPLIED? WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY RURAL AREAS? CAN YOU POINT TO AN AREA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? A COUPLE OF SLIDES THAT YOU HAD [INAUDIBLE] BEFORE THAT.
THIS ONE, THE COMMUNITY INPUT MAP.
HOW WAS IT DECIDED? LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A DIAGRAMMATIC MAP REPRESENTING A BROAD RANGE OF RESPONSES WE GOT FROM THE COMMUNITY.
WHAT WE DID WAS WE HAD MAPS ON TABLES AND FOLKS SAT AROUND IN A GROUP AND DREW ON THE MAP, WHERE THEY THOUGHT THE PLANNING AREA BOUNDARY SHOULD BE.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT THEY WERE ANSWERING.
WHERE SHOULD THE PLANNING AREA BOUNDARY BE? WHAT AREAS OF THE COUNTY SHOULD WE PRESERVE?THAT'S REPRESENTED IN THIS GREEN BLOB.
THEN WHAT AREAS OF THE COUNTY WOULD YOU LIKE MORE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND MORE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT? THAT'S WHAT'S REPRESENTED ON THIS MAP IS THE GENERAL RESPONSES TO THOSE QUESTIONS, WHERE WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO PHYSICALLY DRAW ON A MAP WITH MARKERS.
IT WAS MORE SUBJECTIVE BASED ON THE PEOPLE DRAWING ON THE MAPS.
IT WASN'T TRULY DEFINING A DEFINITION OF RULE.
IT WAS RULE, WHATEVER WAS IN PAIN IN [OVERLAPPING] AT THE TIME WHEN THEY WERE DOING IT ON THE PAPER.
BUT TO ADD TO THAT, YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO THE ONE QUESTION WHERE WE SPECIFICALLY ASKED, WHAT DOES RULE MEAN TO YOU? THERE WERE WRITTEN RESPONSES THAT SUPPORTED A LOT OF WHAT FOLKS DREW ON THE MAP AND ALL OF THAT INFORMATION IS IN THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT SUMMARY.
I THINK THE QUESTION TOO WAS THE LAST TIME WE GOT AN UPDATE, WE WERE IN A DISCUSSION THAT NIGHT ABOUT, WHAT RULE MEANT.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE FUTURE DECISIONS, IT WAS A CONSENSUS OF WELL, WE REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE SOMETHING, AND THEY SAY, PRESERVE MORE RULE.
WHAT IS RULE? I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO AT SOME POINT, TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT DOES RULE MEAN AND WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE OR CONSERVE THE RULE AREA, WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN? BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT IN EVERYBODY'S MIND.
ABSOLUTELY AND THAT IS I WON'T MOVE ON QUITE YET, IT MIGHT BE OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT THAT'S THE CONVERSATION WE HOPE TO HAVE WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING LAND USE TYPES.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A RURAL CONSERVATION LAND USE TYPE OR LAND USE TYPE.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN AND HOW CAN WE DESCRIBE THAT AND APPLY IT TO A FUTURE LAND USE? CORRECT. YES. EVERYBODY, GOOD. READY TO MOVE FORWARD.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO WHAT ESSENTIALLY STEP 3 OF DEVELOPING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WHICH IS THE LAND USE TYPES.
WE DRAFTED ALONG WITH STAFF SOME POTENTIAL LAND USE TYPES. OVER THERE.
WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS A DIAGRAM THAT REPRESENTS SIX BASE LAND USE TYPES.
THESE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS DIAGRAM, MOVING FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, THE IDEA IS THAT IT MOVES FROM THE MOST RURAL, WHATEVER THAT MEANS TO YOU.
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THE LEAST DEVELOPED, THE LEAST INTENSE, THE MOST NATURAL MIGHT BE ANOTHER WAY TO SAY IT OVER TO THE RIGHT, THE MOST INTENSE, THE MOST DEVELOPED LAND USE TYPE.THESE SIX BASE LAND USE TYPES ARE SUPPORTED BY FOUR OVERLAY LAND USE CATEGORIES, WHICH WE'LL GET TO IN A COUPLE OF SLIDES, BUT WE WANT TO COVER THESE POOR LAND USE TYPES.
IN ADDITION TO THIS PROGRESSION FROM MOST NATURAL TO LEAST NATURAL OR LEAST INTENSE TO MOST INTENSE, YOU ALSO SEE THE PLANNING AREA AND RURAL CONSERVATION AREA BARS SHOWN ON THIS DIAGRAM.
THESE FIRST TWO LAND USE TYPES, RURAL PRESERVATION AND RURAL WOULD, NOW, THE MAP IS NOT DRAWN YET, SO THEY COULD POTENTIALLY OR MIGHT MOST APPROPRIATELY FIT SOLELY WITHIN THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA.
HOWEVER, THAT LINE WINDS UP DRAWN ON THE LAND USE MAP.
THEN THE FINAL FOUR, SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL, MARKET RESIDENTIAL, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL ARE MOST APPROPRIATE OR WOULD MOST LIKELY BE MOST APPROPRIATE WITH THE PLANNING AREA.
SOME OF THOSE ONLY WITHIN THAT URBAN SERVICE AREA AND SOME OF THEM OR WITHOUT THAT URBAN SERVICE AREA.
THE DIAGRAM AT THE TOP IS JUST THAT.
IT'S MEANT TO BE A DIAGRAMMATIC REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THOSE LAND USES MIGHT FEEL LIKE FROM A PLAN PERSPECTIVE AND AN ELEVATION PERSPECTIVE.
THEN THE IMAGES ON THE BOTTOM ARE JUST INSPIRATION IMAGES.
SOME OF THEM ARE, IN FACT, PRINCE GEORGE, SOME OF THEM ARE NOT PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.
THEY'RE MEANT TO CONVEY IN A VISUAL SENSE WHAT THESE LAND USE TYPES ARE MEANT TO BE.
WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE SIX CO LAND USE TYPES IN MORE DETAIL, BUT IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DIAGRAM OR COMMENTS, I CAN TAKE THEM BEFORE WE DIVE IN.
WE'LL START WITH THE FIRST LAND USE CATEGORY, WHICH IS RURAL PRESERVATION.
I'LL ACTUALLY, I'LL BACK UP AND SAY.
THE WAY THE NEXT FEW SLIDES WORK, YOU'VE GOT THIS GRAPHIC BAR ON THE SIDE, WHICH IS THE SAME IMAGES THAT WE SAW ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE.
THEN THIS TABLE THAT SHOWS THE GENERAL VISION, LOT SIZE, PLANNING AREA AND WATER OR SEWER MAKEUP FOR THIS PARTICULAR LAND USE TYPE.
I'LL SAY THIS IS NOT THE WAY IT WILL APPEAR IN THE FINAL PLAN.
THESE SLIDES ARE JUST A ROUGH ESTIMATE, SOMETHING FOR US TO TALK AROUND TO SPUR CONVERSATION.
BUT SO FOR THE RURAL PRESERVATION LAND USE AREA, IT WOULD BE MUCH PRIMARILY IN THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA.
THESE ARE LARGE TRACTS OF LAND THAT INCLUDE AGRICULTURAL USES, YOUR RECREATIONAL AREAS, YOUR CONSERVATION AREAS AND ANY RESIDENTIAL USES WITHIN THESE WOULD BE PRETTY LIMITED AND VERY LARGE LOT.
OF COURSE, ANY WATER AND SEWER CONNECTIONS WOULD BE PRIVATE PRIVATE WELLS AND PRIVATE SEPTIC.
THE NEXT LAND USE CATEGORY IS RURAL.
AGAIN, WE'RE MOVING UP THE SPECTRUM.
THESE ARE TRACKS OF LANDS THAT WOULD BE SMALLER THAN THE RURAL PRESERVATION CATEGORY, BUT STILL LARGE LOT SIZES WITH A RANGE OF USES, INCLUDING AGRICULTURAL, AS WELL AS SOME LIMITED RESIDENTIAL USES.
THOSE RESIDENTIAL USES WOULD REALLY PRIORITIZE CLUSTER AND CONSERVATION DESIGNS TO PROTECT THE LANDSCAPE.
WATER AND SEWER HERE OBVIOUSLY WOULD STILL BE PRIVATE WELLS AND PRIVATE SEPTIC.
>> THOSE ARE THE TWO LAND USE CATEGORIES THAT WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE IN THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA.
WE'RE NOW MOVING INTO LAND USE CATEGORIES THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE PLANNING AREA.
THE FIRST OF THOSE ARE OUR SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
AGAIN, THESE ARE AREAS THAT WOULD BE LOCATED WITHIN THE PLANNING AREA, BUT REALLY ACT AS A TRANSITION TO THOSE MORE DENSER LAND USES, THE MARKET RESIDENTIAL AND NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL LAND USES BUFFERING THEM FROM THE RURAL AREAS OF THE COUNTY.
THESE AREAS COULD HAVE A VARIETY OF LOT SIZES FROM PRETTY LOW TO SUBURBAN SIZE LOTS IN WATER AND SEWER, IN THIS CASE, WOULD BE PROVIDED VIA PUBLIC SYSTEMS, EITHER NEW OR EXISTING CONNECTIONS OR BY WHAT WE'RE CALLING PRIVATE COMMUNITY SYSTEMS. PRIVATE SYSTEMS FOR AT A COMMUNITY LEVEL, REQUIRING DESIGN STANDARDS SO THAT THOSE PRIVATE SYSTEMS COULD LATER BE TAKEN INTO THE PUBLIC NETWORK, AND THIS WAS A CONCEPT THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN DECEMBER, IF YOU'LL RECALL,
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BETWEEN THE UTILITY SERVICE AREA AND THE TRANSITION AREA OF THE PLANNING AREA.THE NEXT LAND USE CATEGORY IS MARKET RESIDENTIAL.
THESE ARE AREAS THAT COULD ALLOW FOR REALLY A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES IN A MORE DENSER DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THESE AREAS WOULD REALLY ONLY BE WITHIN THE UTILITY SERVICE AREA, THE DESIGNATED UTILITY SERVICE AREA, WHATEVER THAT SPECIFIC BOUNDARY WINDS UP BEING WITHIN THE PLANNING AREA AND OF COURSE, THEY WOULD BE CONNECTED ONLY VIA PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS. THE NEXT LAND USE CATEGORY IS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.
WE'RE MOVING AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND MORE INTO MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
THESE COULD BE MIXED USE AREAS THAT PROVIDE A VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES, AS WELL AS MULTI FAMILY UNITS IN THAT MULTIMODAL CONNECTED NETWORK.
IN A LOT OF WAYS YOU CAN CONSIDER THE CORE OF NEIGHBORHOODS OR THE CORE OF POTENTIAL VILLAGE CENTERS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
THESE AREAS WILL MOST LIKELY BE ON PUBLIC UTILITIES, BUT DEPENDING ON THE EXACT LOCATION, WHERE THEY WIND UP BEING, SOME OF THEM COULD REQUIRE, AGAIN, THOSE PRIVATE COMMUNITY SYSTEMS WITH DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO BE TAKEN INTO THE PUBLIC UTILITY SYSTEM DOWN THE ROAD.
THE FINAL BASE LAND USE TYPE ARE YOUR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL AREAS, AND THESE COULD BE OBVIOUSLY EXISTING BUSINESS PARKS, EXISTING COMMERCIAL AREAS, INTERSTATE EXITS, AS WELL AS NEW AREAS, PERHAPS ALONG PRIMARY TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS, AS WELL AS AREAS ADJACENT TO FORT GREG ADAMS. A LOT OF VARIETY IN THE LOT SIZES, AS WELL AS WATER AND SEWER CONNECTIONS HERE.
BUT THE FOCUS ON THIS LAND USE CATEGORY WILL REALLY BE ON LANDSCAPING AND DESIGN STANDARDS, AND OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, REALLY AIMING TO CREATE WELL PLANNED AND ATTRACTIVE PLACES FOR THE COUNTY.
BEFORE I MOVE ON TO THE OVERLAYS.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE COMMENTS ON THE CORE LAND USE TYPES THAT PRESENTED?
>> COMMENTS FROM ANYONE? ONE. YES, SIR.
>> LAST SECTION YOU JUST WENT THROUGH COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL.
YOU SAID PLANNING AREA IS MOSTLY PLAN AREA.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY MOSTLY PLANNING AREA?
>> LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE NOT DRAFTED THE MAP YET, BUT BY AND LARGE, THESE AREAS WOULD FALL INTO THE CURRENT PLANNING AREA, BUT THERE MAY BE A SITUATION WHERE DOWN 460 OR DOWN 95, WHERE WE MAY DESIGNATE A COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL AREA THAT IS NOT, IN FACT, IN THE PLANNING AREA.
IT WOULD BE IN THE RURAL CONSERVATION AREA.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT AS WE'RE DRAFTING THEM OUT.
>> YOU'RE GOOD, OR YOU STILL THINK.
>> NO, I'M THINKING. I JUST LIKE ON THE SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL AND A COUPLE OF OTHERS WHERE YOU NOTATE IT ABOUT THE PRIVATE COMMUNITY SYSTEMS. I MEAN, KNOWING SOME OF THE HISTORY AND ISSUES WE HAD FROM PRIOR PRIVATE COMMUNITY SYSTEMS THAT I THINK ENDED UP EXPANDING BEYOND JUST THAT PRIVATE COMMUNITY, I JUST HOPE THAT WHATEVER GUIDELINES THAT WILL BE AROUND THOSE THINGS, THEY WOULD BE VERY STRICT AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY REALLY ARE APPROPRIATE, NOT JUST FOR CURRENT, BUT FOR DOWN THE ROAD, BECAUSE I THINK IN OUR CASE, A LOT OF THINGS WE'RE DEALING WITH NOW ARE PRIVATE SYSTEMS THAT COMMUNITY WELLS THAT JUST AREN'T ABLE TO SUPPLY THE FLOW FOR THE NUMBER OF HOMES IN THOSE COMMUNITIES OR WATER PRESSURE ISSUES.
AGAIN, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT IN THE SPECIFIC AND THE WEEDS, BUT I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE WHEN I SEE THE PRIVATE COMMUNITY SYSTEMS, AND JUST I'M A LITTLE LEERY UNTIL I FEEL BETTER ABOUT THIS.
>> YOU WANT TO GIVE SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT TO.
>> YES, I WAS AT THE MEETING LAST NIGHT, SO I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
>> BUT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS IF THIS TOPIC CAME
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UP THAT ANY NEW STANDARDS ALLOWING THAT DEVELOPMENT?>> WOULD TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT, AND THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF ATTENTION ON MAKING SURE THAT WHATEVER THEY'RE DESIGNED TO DO IS GOING TO BE A MODERN STANDARD THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT ISSUE.
THAT MAYBE SOME PAST FACILITY MIGHT HAVE TODAY.
BEFORE DOING ANYTHING LIKE THAT, YOU'D HAVE A CHANCE TO YOU'D HAVE TO REVIEW THOSE RULES THAT WOULD GO INTO EFFECT AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU AGREE THAT THEY HAVE THAT EFFECT OF PREVENTING THAT SITUATION.
BUT THERE WOULD ALSO BE OPPORTUNITY TO SET UP MAINTENANCE, REQUIREMENTS, CONTRACTS, OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE'D HAVE TO ALL PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION TO PREVENT THAT ISSUE THAT YOU'RE ALLUDING TO.
>> I WOULD HOPE THAT THE SAME AS HOW VDOT HAS STANDARDS ON WHAT A ROAD IN A VARIOUS AREA NEEDS TO BE IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BRING THAT INTO THEIR SYSTEM TO MAINTAIN IT, THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOME PRETTY HIGH STANDARDS WITH THAT AS WELL.
BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN FORCED INTO MODES WHERE WE'VE ACCEPTED THINGS, AND NOW WE'RE BEARING THE BRUNT OF.
>> THIS IS THE STUFF THAT WOULD BE INSPECTED BY THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S UP TO TO THE COUNTY STANDARD FOR A FUTURE CONNECTION.
IT WOULDN'T JUST BE BUILD WHAT YOU'D LIKE.
IT'D BE BUILD BUILD TO THIS LEVEL.
>> GOT YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
>> BACK WHEN AT MARKET SUBURBAN.
I SEE A LOT OF THAT IN LOCALITIES.
IS THAT SOMEWHAT A TREND THAT PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO SHIFT TO OR THE YOUNGER PEOPLE OR WHATEVER, WHERE THEY CAN LIVE CLOSE BY, WHERE THEY CAN WALK TO, OR WALK TO GET COFFEE, DONUTS, WHATEVER?
>> CERTAINLY IS SOMETHING THAT WE HEARD A LOT OF DEMAND FOR THROUGHOUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
IT'S ALSO A REFLECTION OF THE COST OF HOUSING.
BEING ABLE TO BUILD TOWN HOMES THAT CAN BE AFFORDABLE TO FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS AND OTHER MULTIFAMILY UNITS, PROVIDE A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES FOR A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT INCOME LEVELS IN ONE PLACE.
IT'S RECOGNIZED FOR CREATING VIBRANT NEIGHBORHOODS, VIBRANT PLACES TO LIVE.
>> YOU ARE CURIOUS, AM I TRAVEL? I'M STARTING TO SEE MORE AND MORE THEM POP UP.
>> I KNOW CHESTER TRANSITIONED I ONE AREA IN CHESTER IT BECAME LIKE A LITTLE VILLAGE AREA.
>> I MEAN, THEY'VE REALLY ATTRACTED A LOT OF PEOPLE AND BUSINESSES INTO THOSE PLACES AS WELL.
>> WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN PRINCE GEORGE WE'RE STILL STILL HAMMERING OUT.
LIKE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE COOKIE CUTTER.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WHAT CHESTERFIELD DID OR IS DOING, BUT SOMETHING THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE COUNTY HERE.
>> BECAUSE THIS CATEGORY IS A PRETTY INTERESTING ONE.
WE ENVISION, LIKE, GIVEN A LOT OF OPTIONS THERE.
BASICALLY, IT COULD GO FROM SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING TO MULTIFAMILY OR TOWN HOMES.
BUT THE BOARD AND THE COUNTY RESIDENTS, EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE CASES BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A REZONING PROCESS.
WE WOULDN'T RECOMMEND ANY WAY HAVING THE PROPERTY ALREADY ZONED FOR ANYTHING.
THEY'D HAVE TO COME BRING THAT FORWARD AND PRESENT A PROPOSAL TO YOU.
THIS WOULD JUST BE THAT THAT PARTICULAR PART OF THE COUNTY ALONG SOME PARTICULAR ROAD OR INTERSECTION MIGHT BE PLANNED FOR A VARIETY AND LET THE MARKET DECIDE WHAT IS DESIRED THERE, AND THEN LET THE COUNTY DECIDE IF IT WANTS THAT. THAT SIT.
>> YES, SIR. I WAS JUST ASKING BECAUSE I SEE THEM POP UP, TRAVELS, TALKING TO PEOPLE.
PEOPLE DON'T WANT A LOT OF LAND TAKE DON'T WANT ANY LAND TAKE CARE OF AND IT'S TRADITIONALLY THE YOUNGER GENERATION START OUT, AND THEY LIKE THE CONVENIENCE OF LIVING IN THE SUBURBS.
BUT IT'S ALMOST LIKE LIVING IN THE CITY, WHERE YOU CAN WALK OUT OF YOUR APARTMENT OR WHATEVER, AND YOU WALK DOWN THE STREET TO GO SOMEWHERE.
>> I THINK THAT'S TRUE. IT'S APPEALING TO YOUNGER FOLKS.
IT'S ALSO APPEALING ON THE OTHER END.
FOLKS WHO ARE RETIRED AND WHO DON'T WANT TO MOW THEIR LAWN ANYMORE.
THERE'S A WIDE APPEAL FOR THIS.
I WAS GOING TO TELL YOU, DON'T WALK AWAY, DON'T, AND BOTH OF YOU CAN PROBABLY.
IS THE INTENT BEHIND THE WAY ALL OF THIS IS BEING PLANNED AND LAID OUT AND BROKEN OUT INTO THESE DIFFERENT SEGMENTS IS PART OF THE END GOAL, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO GET TO MR. BALDWIN'S PRESENTATION EARLY.
BUT IS IT ALSO A THING ABOUT HELPING TO ELIMINATE A LOT OF THESE SPECIAL LAND USE SITUATIONS BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO STEER THINGS TO BE WHERE THEY'RE TYPICALLY NOW, THEY WOULD BE MORE BY RIGHT IN THESE AREAS.
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>> WE HELD BACK A BIT ON THE DETAIL HERE COLLECTIVELY IN THIS PRESENTATION.
THERE'S SOME IDEA BEHIND THIS IS THAT THERE WOULD BE CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICTS THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
BE REZONED TO IF THE LAND IS PLANNED FOR MARKET RESIDENTIAL FOR EXAMPLE.
THEN WE ARE PROPOSING TO HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND HAVING MAYBE AN ADDITIONAL ZONING DISTRICT TO SEPARATE OUT THE MORE INTENSIVE STUFF, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE BUSINESS DISTRICT, THINGS THAT REQUIRE SPECIAL EXCEPTION NOW.
MAYBE SOME OF THOSE MAKES SENSE TO BE RIGHT BY RIGHT, BUT MAYBE THE MORE INTENSIVE THINGS SHOULD BE IN A DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICT.
WE DO PLAN TO ADDRESS WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO WHERE TO MINIMIZE THE NEED FOR ANY SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS, EXCEPT FOR THOSE THINGS THAT YOU WANT THEM TO HAVE YOUR EYES ON.
>> I'LL JUST ADD TO THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COMP PLAN IS NOT YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE?
>> WE'RE WORKING MORE AT THAT GENERAL VISION LEVEL.
BUT AS I SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION, THE NEXT STEP OF THIS IS THAT LAND USE TOOLS DIAGNOSTIC, WHERE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR POTENTIALLY EXISTING OR EXCUSE ME, ADDITIONAL ZONING DISTRICTS OR CHANGES TO EXISTING DISTRICTS WILL BE ENUMERATED SO THAT CHANGES CAN BE MORE EASILY MADE TO MAKE SURE THAT COMP PLAN AND ORDINANCES ARE TALKING TOGETHER.
>> THE VERY LAST PIECE, IF I CAN GET BACK THERE, THIS CLICKER WILL WORK.
SEEMS TO BE WORKING. IS THE POTENTIAL LAND USE OVERLAYS.
I MENTIONED THAT YOU'VE GOT THE SIX BASE BASE CATEGORIES, AND THEN WE HAVE THESE FOUR LAND USE OVERLAYS, WHICH IF YOU THINK OF THESE ARE THE UNIQUE OR SPECIAL AREAS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY OR ON THE LAND USE MAP THAT ARE GOING TO REQUIRE SOME ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE IN ORDER TO HELP STAFF AND HELP YOU ALL AND HELP PLANNING COMMISSION MAKE LAND USE DECISIONS OVER TIME.
IN PARTICULAR, THESE FOUR AREAS ARE AREAS WHERE THE INTERSECTION OF LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION OR LAND USE AND ADDITIONAL ACTIVITIES IN THE CASE OF THE FORT ARE OF PARTICULAR IMPORTANCE.
WE NEED TO GIVE SOME SPECIAL ATTENTION TO HOW THOSE ARE WORKING TOGETHER.
THE FIRST OF THOSE IS VILLAGE CENTERS.
OF COURSE, WE'VE GOT THE PRINCE GEORGE COURTHOUSE AND DISPUTANTA, WHEN ARE CLEARLY IDENTIFIED BUSINESS VILLAGE CENTERS, BUT THERE ARE OTHER AREAS THAT COULD BE DESIGNATED AS SUCH.
AGAIN, THESE AREAS ARE REALLY ENVISIONED TO BE THESE MIXED USE MULTI MODAL NODES, ACTIVITY CENTERS, AND THEY'LL REQUIRE SOME ADDITIONAL PLANNING, SOME SMALL AREA PLANNING IN PARTICULAR.
WITH THE EYE AGAIN, TOWARDS COORDINATING THOSE PLANS WITH TRANSPORTATION AND DESIGN STANDARDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE DEVELOPING IN THE WAY THAT'S MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THE COUNTY.
THE NEXT LAND USE OVERLAY ARE YOUR INTERSTATE EXITS, PRETTY SELF EXPLANATORY, WHERE THOSE ARE LOCATED OR WHERE THEY WILL BE LOCATED.
BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT, THESE ARE REALLY YOUR TOURISM AND TRANSPORTATION HUBS FOR THE COUNTY, AND IN MANY CASES, YOUR GATEWAYS TO THE COMMUNITY.
THESE AREAS WILL AGAIN, REQUIRE CLOSE TRANSPORTATION COORDINATION FOR SAFETY AND LAND USE, BUT ALSO DESIGN STANDARDS, AGAIN, TO ENSURE ATTRACTIVENESS AND QUALITY DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT THAT REFLECTS THE VISION FOR PRINCE GEORGE.
THEN THE 460 CORRIDOR, AGAIN, THIS IS HIGH VOLUME TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR, REALLY A KEY ASSET FOR THE COUNTY AND AN AREA WHERE DEVELOPMENT AND TRANSPORTATION ARE GOING TO NEED TO BE CLOSELY LOOKED AT, PARTICULARLY IN AREAS LIKE DISPUTANTA, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE MOST LIKELY SUGGESTING SOME ADDITIONAL INVESTMENT OR GROWTH, MAKING SURE THAT ALL THOSE THINGS ARE WORKING WELL TOGETHER.
THEN FINALLY, THE FORT GREG ADAMS BUFFER.
COUNTY AND THE FORT HAVE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER TO IDENTIFY A BUFFER AROUND THE BOUNDARIES OF THE FORT ITSELF REALLY WITH THE IDEA TO MINIMIZE ANY CONFLICTS BETWEEN LAND USES BETWEEN WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE FORT AND ANY ENCROACHMENT FROM THE COUNTY.
THAT BUFFER ZONE WILL APPEAR ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, MOST LIKELY WILL APPEAR ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AND WE MOST LIKELY SHOW COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL LAND USES AT THE EDGE OF THE FORT, BECAUSE THE FORT DOES PRODUCE NUISANCES, THINGS THAT ARE INCOMPATIBLE FOR A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL OR OTHER COMMUNITY-BASED USES, SO ENSURING THAT THE LAND USES THAT WE ARE POTENTIALLY PROJECTING IN THE COUNTY FORT AND DON'T HINDER THE FORT AND VICE VERSA.
QUESTIONS ON THE LAND USE OVERLAYS.
THAT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION AT ONCE.
>> I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION ON THE OVERLAY, AND YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS, BUT WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT EXPANDING PLANNING LINE TO INCLUDE TEMPLETON EARLIER.
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WOULD THAT EXTEND ALL THE WAY DOWN AS FAR AS THE ROUTE 35 AREA? THE REASON I ASKED, I'VE BEEN APPROACHED BY A LOT OF DIFFERENT FAMILIES DOWN THERE THAT OWN THEIR FAMILIES OWN VERY LARGE TRACTS OF LAND AND THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW REALLY AT THIS TIME, WHAT WAS THE COUNTY'S VISION.IF YOU THINK ABOUT SAY SOMEBODY WANTING TO PUT A COMMUNITY CENTER OR SOMETHING DOWN THERE, OF COURSE, THEY WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE THINGS LIKE THE PUBLIC UTILITIES.
I WAS JUST WONDERING, WAS THAT AREA IT'S NOT THAT FAR FROM THE TEMPLETON AREA.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT'S INCLUDED IN THAT TEMPLETON AREA, AND POTENTIALLY WHAT THE FUTURE LAND USE.
I THINK THERE WILL BE QUITE A FEW FOLKS DOWN THAT WAY ON THAT PRINCE GEORGE, SUSSEX LINE DOWN THERE THAT WOULD REALLY BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING AND UNDERSTANDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FUTURE LAND USE FOR IN THAT AREA.
>> AT THIS TIME, WE HAVEN'T DRAWN A BOUNDARY, NOR HAVE WE ASSIGNED SPECIFIC LAND USES.
BUT TO THOSE AREAS, THAT OF COURSE, WE'LL BE DRAWING FROM THE TEMPLATE, SO TO SPEAK THAT WE PRESENTED TO YOU TONIGHT.
IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT IS OR IS NOT APPROPRIATE IN THAT AREA, HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN THOSE THOUGHTS.
>> I DID MENTION TO YOU EARLIER THAT I HAD THREE QUESTIONS, [LAUGHTER] AND THEY'RE AROUND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL TO JUST SAY TO ASK ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE CASINO.
IS THAT BEING FACTORED INTO OUR PLAN FOR DOWN THE ROAD AS TO ITS EFFECT ON PRINCE GEORGE POSITIVELY OR NEGATIVELY, BUT IS THAT GOING TO BE FACTORED IN? YOU WANT TO RESPOND BACK BEFORE I GO TO THE NEXT ONE?
>> LET ME ANSWER THAT QUESTION FIRST.
OBVIOUSLY, WE SEE A MAP ON THE SCREEN, AND IT'S GOT A BOUNDARY OF PRINCE GEORGE, BUT LAND USE DOESN'T END THERE.
IT'S IN A LOT OF WAYS AN ARBITRARY BOUNDARY.
OF COURSE, WE'RE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT REGIONAL CONSIDERATIONS WHEN WE'RE BUILDING THE LAND USE MAP, AND THE CASINO IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE WILL BE LOOKING INTO AS WE'RE FLASHING THIS OUT.
>> THEN THE SECOND QUESTION WAS ABOUT, WOULD THERE POTENTIALLY BE LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE 156 CORRIDOR UP NEAR THE YANCEY TRACK AREA BECAUSE THERE WAS A VISION THAT WAS DRAWN YEARS AND YEARS AGO, PROBABLY BEFORE MR. WEBB EVEN GOT ON THE BOARD, AND THE COUNTY HAS NOT STUCK TO THAT AT ALL TO THIS DAY.
I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT RESTRICTED A LOT OF STUFF IS WE DIDN'T HAVE UTILITIES IN THAT AREA AS FAR AS WATER AND SEWER, BUT I DO KNOW WITH POTENTIAL OTHER THINGS COMING, THERE COULD BE.
IS THAT BEING KEPT IN THOUGHT FOR FUTURE LAND USE AS WELL?
>> WE WILL BE APPLYING LAND USE TO THE ENTIRETY OF THE COUNTY, AND AS WE DO SO, WE DO SO WITH THE INFORMATION WE HAVE ON HAND RIGHT NOW, OR THAT INFORMATION THAT WE KNOW ABOUT.
IF THESE UTILITIES ARE EXTENDED AND PLANS NEED TO CHANGE, THESE ARE LIVING DOCUMENTS SO THEY CAN BE AMENDED AND CHANGED TO BEST MEET THE REQUIREMENTS AND CHANGING CONDITIONS OF THE COUNTY.
>> THE THIRD QUESTION THAT WAS PRESENTED TO ME WAS, WITH THE COUNTY LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES FOR WASTE TREATMENT ROUTES, THE UNEXPECTED RESULT COULD BE IT'S LABELED AS ONE AREA, BUT NOW SINCE WASTEWATER AND WATER WOULD BE AVAILABLE THERE, THAT THERE COULD BE UNEXPECTED OR UNPLANNED GROWTH, NOT EVEN RELATED TO WHAT WAS TRADITIONALLY THOUGHT FOR THAT AREA.
>> I THINK MY ANSWER WOULD BE THE SAME AS THE PREVIOUS QUESTION.
WE ARE BUILDING A LAND USE MAP BASED ON INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE KNOW OF NOW.
I DON'T KNOW OF ANY SPECIFIC WASTEWATER PROJECTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF WANTS TO TALK TO THAT, BUT I THINK THE ANSWER STILL REMAINS THE SAME THAT AS CONDITIONS CHANGE, SO WILL THE PLAN.
>> [INAUDIBLE] WAS WHAT WE'RE TALKING. [LAUGHTER]
>> NO, I'M JUST REALLY GOING TO ECHO WHAT SHE WAS SAYING IS THAT THE PLAN IS GOING TO BE BUILT OFF OF WHAT WE'RE AWARE OF.
THIS HYPOTHETICAL UTILITY SERVICE AREA, THAT'S BASED ON THE PLANS.
THIS IS BASED ON THE UTILITY MASTER PLAN THAT IS IN A DRAFT FORM AND NEARING A POINT WHERE, I THINK, THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT WILL BE DISCUSSING THAT.
THEY'RE WAITING ON THE COMP PLANS.
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BUT THE MAIN POINT THAT KATHERINE WAS CONVEYING IS THAT THE PLANS WILL NEED TO BE UPDATED AS THOSE PLANS CHANGE.WHATEVER THE BOARD DECIDES WHEN IT COMES TO THAT, WE'LL HAVE TO UPDATE.
STAFF WILL NEED TO BE UPDATING THE PLANS ALONG WITH THAT.
>> UNLESS WE'RE MAKING A DECISION ANYTIME SOON.
>> WHATEVER THE DECISION IS, WHENEVER IT IS, WE'LL HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
>> JUST TO THAT END, ALL THAT STATE CODE DOES REQUIRE YOU TO LOOK AT YOUR PLAN EVERY FIVE YEARS, BUT BEST PRACTICE IS REALLY ANNUAL REVIEW TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THOSE CHANGES THAT DO HAPPEN.
>> THANK YOU ALL. WE WILL BE WORKING FURIOUSLY OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS TO FINISH UP THE LAND USE PLAN, WORKSHOPPING THAT WITH PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THEN WE WILL SEE YOU ALL AGAIN PROBABLY IN LATE SUMMER OF THE FALL. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT.
BOARD MEMBERS, NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS A, LET'S SEE, SPECIAL EXCEPTION BRIEFING.
MR. BAL GETS THE PLEASURE OF DOING THIS.
>> IT IS MY PLEASURE. GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN BROWN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
>> GOT A RELATIVELY SHORT PRESENTATION.
I THINK I'VE INTENDED TO TAKE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS.
I'LL BE WORKING WITH MS. ERARD OVER THERE.
SHE HAS A FEW AREAS IN HERE THAT SHE'S GOING TO WANT TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS ON FROM A COUNTY ATTORNEY PERSPECTIVE.
I'M GOING TO TALK FROM THE PLANNING PERSPECTIVE.
WE'LL GO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS.
I KNOW THAT A FEW MONTHS AGO, YOU HAD A PRESENTATION FROM MS. PUDDLER ON WHAT WE CALL BY-RIGHT USES.
I'M GOING TO GO A LITTLE BIT IN THIS PRESENTATION BACK TO THE BASICS OF HOW WE REGULATE LAND USE IN GENERAL.
OBVIOUSLY, TONIGHT, YOU'VE HAD A PRESENTATION ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THAT'S REALLY YOUR POLICY, HOW YOU DETERMINE IN THE FUTURE GENERALLY WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HAPPEN.
THEN YOU HAVE TOOLS TO IMPLEMENT.
PRIMARY IMPLEMENTATION TOOLS, QUITE FRANKLY, NUMBER 1, IS YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
BEFORE I GET STARTED, JUST BEAR IN MIND.
THIS IS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ZONING ORDINANCE.
WHAT'S IN THERE NOW, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR DON'T LIKE IT HAS BEEN CREATED SOME BY YOURSELVES, BY YOUR PREDECESSORS.
GOING BACK TO 1965, YOU'VE GOT THINGS IN THERE THAT PROBABLY WERE A GREAT IDEA IN 1965, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OUT OF DATE TODAY.
IT'S A LONG TIME TO BE WORKING WITH A BASE ZONING ORDINANCE, AND SO WE DEAL WITH THOSE FLAWS EVERY DAY.
YOU KNOW THAT WHAT WAS A GOOD ZONING ORDINANCE IN 1965 IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT MOST PEOPLE NEED FOR THE COMPLEXITIES OF LAND USE THAT YOU'RE FACING TODAY, INCLUDING YOUR PROCESSES YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
WITH THAT INTRODUCTION, I'LL JUMP RIGHT IN HERE.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT A FEW THINGS HERE TONIGHT.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT BASICALLY ZONING AND YOUR LAND USE REGULATIONS AS A GENERAL CONCEPT.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT HOW YOU REGULATE LAND USE.
WHAT ARE THE COMPONENTS OF THOSE PIECES? THIS IS REALLY, QUITE FRANKLY, WHAT THE BOARD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR.
WE BRING YOU STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS.
THIS IS REALLY UP TO THE BOARD TO DECIDE HOW YOU WANT THESE THINGS TO BE REGULATED, AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHOULD BE REFLECTIVE OF THE BOARD'S DESIRES.
BOARD'S DESIRES, OBVIOUSLY ARE COMMUNITY DESIRES.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION, I THINK FROM PEOPLE NOT QUITE CLEAR ON WHAT THAT IS.
THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF TERMINOLOGY PROBLEMS WE HAVE BECAUSE THE WAY THE STATE DESCRIBES THE STUFF IN THE STATE CODE, AND IF YOU GO FROM COMMUNITY TO COMMUNITY, THEY'RE USING DIFFERENT TERMINOLOGY ALL IN THEORY, TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING, BUT IT'S CONFUSING TO EVERYONE.
IF YOU DON'T DO THIS ALL THE TIME, IT'S NOT NORMAL PEOPLE CONVERSATIONS SIT AROUND AND TALK ABOUT SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE, SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION PROCESS.
YOU SEE THOSE THAT YOU'RE AT THE DECIDING END OF THAT WHOLE PROCESS.
WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT WORKS OUT.
THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, AND I KNOW MS. ERARD WANTS TO TALK A BIT ABOUT WHEN YOU GET TO THE POINT OF DOING CONDITIONS FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS.
I KNOW YOU'RE ALL AWARE THAT THOSE ARE PRETTY COMMON.
WITH THAT, I'M JUST GOING TO JUMP RIGHT IN.
>> CAN I JUST SAY SOMETHING THERE JUST TO MAKE A POINT.
WHEN YOU HAVE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, IT IS A ZONING ACTION, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER REZONING OR THINGS LIKE THAT THAT COME TO THE BOARD.
GIVEN THAT IT'S A REZONING IN NATURE, YOU HAVE THE DISCRETION TO APPROVE OR DENY IT.
IF YOU APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS, THE CONDITIONS HAVE TO BE RELATED TO THE USE OF THE PROPERTY AND AMELIORATING OR MITIGATING ANY IMPACTS.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING BECAUSE ON THE ONE HAND, YOU HAVE DISCRETION, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THE CONDITIONS HAVE TO BE
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RELATED TO THE USE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY OWNER DOES NOT HAVE TO AGREE TO THEM.>> NO THUNDER HERE. JUST GOING BACK TO THE BASICS.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE WAY WE REGULATE LAND USE IN THE COUNTY.
THIS IS THE WAY IT'S DONE ALL ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH.
YOU USE YOUR OFFICIAL ZONING MAP AND YOU HAVE YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
THOSE ARE REALLY THE TWO PRIMARY PIECES.
WE WON'T TALK ABOUT THE SUBDIVISION PART OF THIS, BUT WHEN YOU ARE PROCESSING OR REZONING, WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY DOING IS CHANGING THE MAP.
WE HAVE A COUNTY WIDE ZONING MAP.
EVERY PERSON IN THE COUNTY HAS GOT A ZONING DESIGNATION, WHATEVER IT IS, WHETHER IT'S B-1 OR M-1 OR WHATEVER, AND WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN BEFORE YOU AND THEY'RE REZONING, WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY DOING, IS YOU'RE CHANGING THEIR DESIGNATION ON THE MAP.
BY CHANGING THE DESIGNATION ON THE MAP, IT CHANGES THE RULES THAT APPLY THEM INTO WHATEVER DISTRICT THEY'RE CHANGING IT TO.
JUST KEEP IN MIND, REZONING PRIMARILY, IT'S A CHANGE OF THE ZONING MAP.
YOU HAVE A MAP AND YOU HAVE A TEXT, AND THEY WORK TOGETHER.
[NOISE] THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS WHERE THEY'RE CRAFTED.
YOU HAVE BASIC LAND USE CATEGORIES IN THERE, AND EVERYTHING GETS BUILT OFF OF THOSE AND IT VARIES BY COMMUNITY, BUT FOR OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT, WE HAVE FOUR BASE CATEGORIES.
WE HAVE AGRICULTURAL, WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL, WE HAVE BUSINESS, AND WE HAVE INDUSTRIALS.
WE HAVE FOUR CATEGORIES, AND IN THOSE FOUR CATEGORIES, THEN YOU BREAK IT DOWN INTO YOUR VARIOUS DISTRICTS.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE IN THE WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE AGRICULTURE, YOU HAVE THE A-1 OR THE R-1.
IF YOU MOVE ALL THAT INTO YOUR BUSINESS, YOU'VE GOT B-1.
YOU GO INTO INDUSTRIAL, YOU'VE GOT, M-1, M-2, M-3.
THOSE VARIOUS DISTRICTS ARE CONNECTED TO THAT OVERALL CATEGORY.
I'M JUST MAKING A LITTLE SIDE CONVERSATION HERE FROM WHAT'S GOING WITH MODERN ZONING REGULATIONS, A LOT OF BLENDING.
HERE A LOT OF PEOPLE WANTING TO HAVE MORE MIXED USES.
A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED TO HAVE MIXED USES WHEN YOU HAVE THESE STRATIFIED ZONING DISTRICTS, LIKE ALL THE BUSINESSES OVER HERE AND ALL THE RESIDENTIALS OVER HERE.
THE DISCUSSION NIGHT ON YOUR CONFERENCE OF PLAN, WHEN YOU GET MOVING FORWARD WITH UPDATING THE ZONING ORDINANCE, YOU MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT WHETHER IT'S OVERLAY DISTRICTS OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE TO MIX SOME OF THESE USES DIFFERENTLY THAN THE WAY THE ZONING ORDINANCE HAS THEM STRATIFIED.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT, GOT THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP.
THE KEY PART ABOUT ALL OF THIS THING IN HERE IS WHAT'S IN THAT THIRD BULLET THERE.
WITHIN EACH ONE OF THOSE DISTRICTS, YOU HAVE USES THAT ARE LISTED.
YOUR FUTURE ZONING ORDINANCE WOULD HAVE THEM IN THE TABLE.
YOUR CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCES HAS THEM IN A LIST BY DISTRICT, AND THEY'RE BROKEN INTO TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
THE TERMINOLOGY THAT'S EITHER PERMITTED, THAT'S A BY-RIGHT USE, AND THEN YOU HAVE THOSE THAT REQUIRE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, WHICH IS WHAT WE'LL TALK A BIT MORE IN DETAIL ABOUT.
IF YOU LOOK IN THE M-1 DISTRICT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LIST OF USER THAT ARE PERMITTED BY-RIGHT, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER LIST THAT REQUIRE SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
THE KEY THING ABOUT A BY-RIGHT USE, THERE'S TWO PARTS ABOUT IT.
NUMBER ONE, OBVIOUSLY, THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL APPROVALS FROM THE BOARD.
THE BOARD HAS ALREADY MADE A DETERMINATION THAT THIS PARTICULAR USE IN THAT PARTICULAR DISTRICT DOES NOT NEED ADDITIONAL BOARD SCRUTINY.
THAT JUST HAS TO MEET OTHER REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS.
THEY WOULD GO THROUGH A SITE PLAN REVIEW.
WE WOULD MAKE SURE THEY MEET THEIR PARKING AND SCREENING AND SIGN REQUIREMENTS, BUT THOSE THINGS THAT ARE PERMITTED BY-RIGHT DO NOT COME BACK IN FRONT OF THE BOARD.
PEOPLE COME IN ALL DAY LONG GETTING PERMITS FOR USES OR GO THROUGH SITE PLAN PROCESS FOR USES THAT DON'T REQUIRE BOARD ACTION BECAUSE THE ZONING ORDINANCE SAYS THEM CLASSIFIED AS A BY-RIGHT OR A PERMITTED USE.
THEN YOU HAVE YOUR SECOND CATEGORY.
AGAIN, THE ONES THAT REQUIRE THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION, AND THAT DOES REQUIRE APPROVAL BY THE BOARD.
APPLICANTS, UNTIL THEY GET APPROVAL BY THE BOARD, BASICALLY, THE USE IS CONSIDERED NOT PERMITTED.
THE WAY THAT VIRGINIA WOULD CONSIDER THAT IS A NON-PERMITTED USE WITHOUT APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
LET'S TALK A BIT WHAT ARE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS, AND GERARD HAS SPOKEN TO THAT A BIT.
>> CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IT'S IDENTIFIED AS A NON PERMITTED USE?
>> SURE. BASICALLY, AGAIN, AS I WAS SAYING, WHEN YOU HAVE THE ORDINANCE, WE MENTIONED THE OTHERS THAT ARE BY-RIGHT USES.
SOMEONE COMES IN AND SAYS, I WANT TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE ON A SINGLE FAMILY LOT BY-RIGHT USE.
BUT WHEN YOU GET INTO THINGS THAT REQUIRE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE ARE NOT PERMITTED OTHERWISE.
THIS VARIES BY DIFFERENT STATES YOU GO TO HOW THEY REGULATE THESE THINGS, BUT IN VIRGINIA, IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT A USES AND NEAR ZONING ORDINANCE LIST THAT IS REQUIRING A SPECIAL EXCEPTION IS TO BE CONSIDERED NOT ALLOWED WITHOUT BOARD APPROVAL.
THAT'S WHY WE TELL SOMEBODY THEY COME IN WHEN THEY WANT DO SOME USE THAT'S LISTED IS REQUIRING A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, THAT YOUR USE IS NOT ALLOWED.
YOU CAN'T GET A BUSINESS LICENSE.
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YOU CAN'T PROCEED UNTIL YOU GET APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.IF THE BOARD TURNS YOU DOWN, YOU'RE STILL NOT PERMITTED.
>> UNLESS A USE IS SPECIFICALLY LISTED IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, IT IS NOT PERMITTED.
>> THAT'S A WHOLE ANOTHER CHALLENGE WE HAVE WITH OUR OLD ZONING ORDINANCE, BUT THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN IS IT REQUIRES INCLUSION IN THE ORDINANCE.
THERE'S SOME SMALL ALLOWANCE FOR MAKING INTERPRETATION THAT IS THAT TERMINOLOGY MIGHT MEAN SOMETHING IN GENERAL.
USE THAT'S NOT LISTED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE OUTSIDE OF THIS WHOLE PROCESS, IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED NOT ALLOWED.
THAT'S WHEN WE TYPICALLY HAVE TO DO A ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, FOR EXAMPLE.
I GIVE AN EXAMPLE WHEN NOT THAT LONG A AGO, THERE WAS A CODE AMENDMENT TO ALLOW FOR TATTOO SHOP, AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE AT THAT TIME DID NOT ALLOW A TATTOO FACILITY AT ALL.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE HAD TO BE AMENDED TO ALLOW THAT APPLICANT THEN TO PROCEED, AND THE BOARD APPROVED THE ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO MAKE IT PERMITTED, AND THEN THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR PROJECT.
BUT UNTIL THEY WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF AMENDING THE ORDINANCE, IT'S JUST A NOT ALLOWED USE.
THERE'S A LOT OF USES IN CURRENT DAY THAT ARE NOT ALLOWED.
I GIVE YOU ANOTHER ONE THAT'S A BIG AMOUNT OF DATA CENTERS.
PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE DOES NOT HAVE A CATEGORY, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER FOR DATA CENTER.
IF SOMEBODY SHOWED UP WITH AN APPLICATION FOR A DATA CENTER, WE WOULD TELL THEM IT'S NOT PERMITTED.
YOU'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND THE ORDINANCE WOULD HAVE TO BE AMENDED IN SOME FASHION.
THE BOARD WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE THEY WANTED TO ALLOW THAT IN THE COUNTY AS A USE.
CLEARLY, AN IMPORTANT THING TO UNDERSTAND FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
>> YOU JUST STRUCK A NOTE WITH ME WITH THE DATA CENTERS, THAT THEY FINALLY FIGURED OUT THEY ALL DON'T HAVE TO BE UP NORTH AND THEY'RE STARTING TO COME SOUTH OTHER THAN HAVING TO HAVE THE POWER GRID, WHICH IS A PRETTY GOOD INVESTMENT, BUT IT'S ALSO GOOD REVENUE.
IF WE KNOW WE'RE MIGRATING OR THE COUNTRY SEEMS TO BE GOING THAT WAY, THEY'RE PUTTING DATA CENTERS IN DIFFERENT PLACES.
WHY WOULDN'T IT BEHOOVE US TO GO AHEAD AND GET AHEAD OF THE CURVE ON THAT AND HAVE SOMETHING SET UP FOR IT TO ACCEPT IT?
>> I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU AT ALL.
IF THE BOARD OR SOMETHING YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT IN YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE AS A TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX, SO TO SPEAK, AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF WAYS IF WE JUST THOUGHT DATA CENTERS FOR A MOMENT.
>> I'M SORRY, MR. BALDWIN. THEY'RE PUTTING ONE RIGHT OVER HERE.
NOT TOO FAR FROM WHERE I WORK IN CHESTERFIELD.
RIGHT NEXT TO TWO SUBDIVISIONS ARE JUST PUTTING IN.
THAT'S WHAT DUE TO LIGHT BAOBAB.
>> THEY'RE MOVING ALONG. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A NUMBER OF LOCALITIES AROUND US THAT HAVE HAD CONTACT.
THEY'RE NEGOTIATING, DISCUSSING DATA CENTERS.
BIGGEST CHALLENGE OBVIOUSLY IS THEY NEED A LOT OF POWER, AND THEY TYPICALLY NEED A FAIR AMOUNT OF WATER, AND WE TEND TO HAVE A LITTLE CHALLENGE ON THAT END, BUT DEFINITELY, IT'S A BIG LAND USE IN THE COMMONWEALTH.
IT'S WHAT'S CREATING OUR ENERGY CRISIS, SO TO SPEAK, THE DEMAND FOR POWER FOR THESE DATA CENTERS.
OTHER THAN A MEETING TODAY, QUITE FRANKLY, WE'RE DISCUSSING THE DATA CENTERS WE GO UP TO NORTHERN VIRGINIA AND IT CAN SEEM LIKE LOUDON COUNTY'S GOT OVER 200 DATA CENTERS.
WE'RE DISCUSSING HOW THAT HAPPENED, AND THEIR ORIGINAL INTERPRETATION WAS THE DATA CENTER WAS AN OFFICE, WHICH TURNED OUT TO BE A BIG MISTAKE.
>> [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING] PROBABLY MORE NOW.
>> EVENTUALLY, THEY FIGURED OUT, WAIT A MINUTE, THAT'S NOT EXACTLY AN OFFICE.
BUT BEFORE THEY FIGURED THAT OUT, THEY WERE ALREADY ALLOWING THEM UNDER OFFICE.
THEY HAD TO GO BACK AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT 200 WHATEVER THEY'VE GOT UP THERE.
A LOT OF THEM IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA FOR SURE.
BUT THEY ARE MOVING DOWN, THEY'RE MOVING DOWN 995 QUARTER.
THEY'RE MOVING OUT 64. WHAT I'M GATHERING, THERE'S SOME MAJOR FIBER LINES THAT RUN BOTH DOWN 460 AND RUN DOWN 64 AND 95.
THEY TEND TO RUN WHERE THERE'S CLOSE ACCESS TO GET INTO THAT.
BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, IF THE BOARD WANTED TO ADD DATA CENTERS IN SOME FASHION, I'LL JUST MAKE ONE LITTLE COMMENT HERE.
THERE'S USUALLY TWO WAYS PEOPLE ARE DOING IT.
A LOT OF TIMES IF IT'S A SINGLE DATA CENTER, THEY MIGHT SAY THAT'S A SPECIAL EXCEPTION USE, WE'LL GET BACK TO OUR TOPIC TONIGHT.
BUT A LOT OF TIMES THE DATA CENTERS, SO THEY WANT TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE, LET'S SAY, AN INDUSTRIAL PARK OF DATA CENTERS, SOMETIMES PEOPLE WILL BUILD A ZONING JUST FOR THE DATA CENTERS AND DO ALL THE STANDARDS AS PART OF THAT ZONING CHANGE, AND THEN MAKE THEM BUY RIGHT IN THERE SO THAT EACH DATA CENTER WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
JUST A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS PEOPLE ARE TREATING THEM UNDER ZONING THESE DAYS.
OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE A LOT OF OPTIONS.
>> WELL, BOB AND I HAVE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT THIS ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION.
WE THINK PROBABLY WE WOULD RECOMMEND CREATING A NEW ZONING DISTRICT FOR THIS.
THEN THAT WOULD NECESSITATE A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT ALONG WITH THE ZONING AMENDMENT.
>> WE'LL BE CONTEMPLATING SOME ZONING ORDINANCE CHANGES COMING ALONG HERE
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THAT ARE GOING TO HELP IMPLEMENT THE PLAN THAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON.DATA CENTERS, YOU COULD DO SIMILAR TO WHAT WE JUST DID, WHAT THE SOLAR PROJECTS DID.
THE OTHER NIGHT, WE YOU TOOK THAT M3 DISTRICT WHERE WAS THE BUY RIGHT USE AND MADE IT A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
THAT'S ONE OF THOSE DISTRICTS YOU COULD INITIALLY, FOR EXAMPLE, PUT DATA CENTERS IN AS AN M3, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL A USE IF YOU WANTED TO WITH A SPECIAL EXCEPTION WITH THE IDEA THAT LATER ON, YOU WANT TO CRAFT IT INTO, WE'RE THINKING MORE LIKE AN ENERGY TYPE OF A DISTRICT, HEAVY ENERGY USE OR ENERGY DEMANDING DISTRICT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT'S A LOT OF WHAT'S HAPPENING LAND-USE-WISE, AND SO THAT'S JUST A CONSIDERATION.
>> TO THE REST OF THE BOARD I THOUGHT WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT IT, BUT THAT'S JUST ME.
>> YOU JUST SPOKE OF THE 3M DISTRICT EXCEPTION FOR SOLAR.
IS THAT THE SAME PLACE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PUT BATTERY STORAGE? [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
MOST LIKELY, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT, THAT WE WOULD GO THROUGH THE DISTRICTS WHERE WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER USE THAT MIGHT NEED BATTERY STORAGE OTHER THAN A SOLAR PROJECT.
BUT MOST LIKELY WE'RE GOING TO FIND THAT THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE DEMAND IS FOR THOSE.
WE WOULD LIKELY END UP RECOMMENDING BACK TO THE BOARD THAT YOU DON'T ALLOW THEM IN ANY DISTRICTS EXCEPT THE M3 WITH A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
QUITE OFTEN, THEY ARE PARTNERED WITH A SOLAR PROJECT.
BUT I THINK THE WAY THE COUNTY'S CURRENT STRUCTURE SET UP IS THE WAY I'D STILL RECOMMEND YOU TO DO IT, EACH ONE OF THOSE IS A SEPARATE THING, INSTEAD OF TREATING THEM ALL AS ONE BIG PROJECT.
THE DEMANDS AND THE REQUIREMENTS ARE JUST REALLY DIFFERENT FROM DEALING WITH THE TWO OF THEM.
>> ONE ISSUE I HAVE IS IN THE BY-RIGHT AREAS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, FOR THE MOST PART, THAT WORKS.
I'M JUST GOING TO USE AN EXAMPLE.
BUT LET'S JUST SAY IT'S ALREADY ZONED TO ALLOW HOUSING OF SOME TYPE.
BUT YET IN THAT AREA, THERE'S A LOT OF SWAMP LAND.
TECHNICALLY, BECAUSE IT'S BY-RIGHT, IT WOULD NEVER COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE BOARD, BUT THERE WOULD BE CONCERNS OUT THERE FOR LOW AREAS AND HOW ARE PEOPLE ABLE TO BUILD THOSE UP ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT.
MAYBE NOT A PROBLEM IN FIVE YEARS, BUT 10, 12, 15 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, PEOPLE ARE HAVING ISSUES, AND BY-RIGHT, IT DIDN'T COME TO ANY OF US TO ASK THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
I UNDERSTAND BY-RIGHT, BUT THERE'S SOMETIMES SOME THINGS THAT ARE RIGHT ON THAT BORDERLINE OF SHOULD SOMEBODY HAVE A LOOK OR SAY IN IT?
THAT'S WHY I WAS MENTIONING, YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE HAS A LOT MORE TO IT.
WE'RE JUST TAKING BITS AND PIECES.
>> YOU'VE GOT ENVIRONMENTAL SECTIONS THERE DEALING WITH FLOOD ZONES, AND YOU'VE ALSO GOT YOUR CHESAPEAKE BAY PRESERVATION.
THAT'S IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
ANYBODY WHO'S A JURISDICTIONAL WETLAND WHERE IT'S GOT CORPS OF ENGINEERS JURISDICTION OR STATES JURISDICTION, ALL THAT GETS FACTORED IN.
NOW, THERE'S THINGS WE COULD DO THAT I WOULD SAY WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE, YOU COULD GO BACK IN AND LOOK AT HOW YOU WANT LOTS TO BE CRAFTED IF THEY HAPPEN TO HAVE THESE THINGS ON SITE, HOW MUCH OF THE LOT SHOULD BE USABLE VERSUS HOW MUCH OF THE LOT DO YOU WANT TO ALLOW THAT'S GOING TO BE WITHIN SOME UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY.
THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE YOU HAVE.
OBVIOUSLY, PEOPLE HAVE THESE THINGS IN THEIR PROPERTY.
THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE TOUCHING THEM OR USING THEM, AND THEY DO.
>> THAT'S A REALLY COMPLICATED AREA BECAUSE IN SOME OF THOSE OLD LOTS THAT HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES FOR DEVELOPMENT, PROPERTY OWNERS CAN ALSO HAVE AN ARGUMENT OF INVERSE CONDEMNATION, MEANING THE GOVERNMENT TOOK MY LAND BY IMPOSING SO MANY REGULATIONS THAT I NO LONGER HAVE ANY USE FOR IT.
>> I UNDERSTAND. I'M JUST TRYING TO PROTECT EVERYBODY.
>> NO, YOU'RE CORRECT. I JUST MENTIONED THAT ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT, AND THIS IS REALLY GOING TO BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION HERE ABOUT BY-RIGHT VERSUS SPECIAL EXCEPTION WHAT YOUR PHILOSOPHY SHOULD BE.
AS THE BOARD IS LOOKING AT TRYING TO CRAFT WHICH WAY YOU WANT THINGS BE SHOULD IT BE A BY-RIGHT USE OR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION USE? ONE OF THE POINTS OF WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED IN A BY-RIGHT USE IS SOMETHING ELSE YOU COULD BUILD BACK IN YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH WOULD BE OTHER REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD APPLY TO EVERYBODY, FOR EXAMPLE.
IF THERE'S A CERTAIN LOT SIZE, IF THEY'VE GOT WETLANDS, IF THERE'S DISTANT SEPARATIONS YOU WANT, YOU CAN BUILD A LOT OF STANDARDS.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE WOULD BE NORMALLY RECOMMENDING YOU DO IS YOU LOOK AT USES, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT HAVE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION REQUIREMENT
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TODAY. YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE THEM.YOU THINK MAYBE THAT'S TOO MANY OR TOO OVERLY REGULATED.
YOU CAN PUT STANDARDS IN THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES, AND I'LL GET TO THIS IN A MOMENT, BUT YOU GET A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
THE SAME CONDITIONS TEND TO POP UP OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
IN MY MIND, WHEN YOU START TO SEE A USE, IT GETS APPROVED ALL THE TIME, AND THE CONDITIONS ARE ALWAYS THE SAME, THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO PUT THAT IN THE ORDINANCE TO MAKE THAT, SAY, A BY-RIGHT USE FOR THOSE STANDARDS BUILT IN AS, WE CALL THAT AS A USE-SPECIFIC SET OF STANDARDS.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MOMENT HERE.
THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE, I KNOW MISS LAURA WILL TALK.
EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE STATE CODE, WHEN IT COMES TO LAND USE, THEY HAVE PRE-EMPTIONS.
THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THEY RESTRICT THE COUNTY AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FROM REGULATING.
THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF USES, THEY SAY, YOU JUST CAN'T REQUIRE THEM TO GET SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS.
FOR EXAMPLE, SINGLE-FAMILY ON A SINGLE-FAMILY LOT IS VERY QUESTIONABLE IF YOU WANT TO TRY TO REQUIRE SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO GET A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
CLEARLY, WE HAVE CIVIL CULTURAL ACTIVITY, AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITY, AND THINGS RELATED TO THAT, AS WELL.
WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE CODE THEY HAVE ON RIGHT TO FARM, AND THAT INCLUDES EVEN HAVING, ROADSIDE MARKETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
CAN'T EVEN GET INTO PROPERTIES HAVING THINGS THEY WOULD CONSIDER TO BE CUSTOMARY IN A RURAL AREA.
FOR EXAMPLE, HAVING A HAY RIDE, COULD YOU MAKE PEOPLE NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAVE A HAY RIDE? THEY SAY THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN AGRICULTURAL USE.
YOU HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH THOSE AND SEE WHICH OF THOSE THINGS YOU'D SAY, THEY'RE JUST PART OF BEING IN A RURAL AREA.
IT'S PART OF BEING IN AN AGRICULTURAL ZONE.
CERTAIN THINGS ARE JUST ALLOWED TO DO.
THE ONES A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED, AND WHERE OTHER LOCALITY HAD ISSUES, YOU START TO GET INTO WINERIES AND MICROBREWERIES AND PLACES THAT ARE HAVING WEDDING RECEPTIONS IN A BARN AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, AND THEY START TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CHALLENGE, BOTH BECAUSE OF THE BUILDING CODE AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF THOSE.
THEN THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHERS.
I DON'T KNOW IF MISS LAURA WANT TO STATE THIS; THE STATE HAS A NUMBER OF OTHER USES OUT THERE.
THEY SAY, YOU JUST CAN'T REQUIRE THEM TO GET SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS.
I JUST MENTIONED ONE AS AN EXAMPLE.
>> THE HOMEBUILDERS HAVE A GOOD LOBBY IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
MOST DEVELOPERS DON'T WANT GOVERNMENT RESTRICTIONS.
>> JUST BEFORE, I JUST WANT TO HEAD THIS OFF, IF THERE'S A PARTICULAR USE THAT YOU DON'T LIKE, LIKE CHECK CASHING FACILITIES, THOSE PLACES, YOU CAN'T GET RID OF THEM BY TAKING THEM OUT OF YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE, BECAUSE THEY'RE PART OF A LARGER CLASSIFICATION OF A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION.
UNLESS YOU WANT TO TAKE ALL FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS OUT OF YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LEAVE THAT IN.
I JUST DIDN'T WANT YOU TO GO HOME AND THINK ABOUT ALL THE THINGS YOU WANT TO TAKE OUT OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCE BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIME YOU CAN'T DO IT.
>> BACK TO OUR SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
AGAIN, SPECIAL EXCEPTION PROCESS, AS YOU'VE SEEN, IT FOLLOWS THE SAME BASIC PROCESS WE WOULD USE FOR DOING A REZONING APPLICATION.
WE'RE GOING TO GET AN APPLICATION.
STAFF IS GOING TO WRITE A STAFF REPORT.
ONE MAY BE DIFFERENT IN THERE. WE WOULD HAVE PROPOSED CONDITIONS THAT THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING.
THAT STAFF REPORT THEN GOES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
AS MISS LAURA SAID, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS, AND IT'S REALLY CRITICAL TO UNDERSTAND ON A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT THE APPLICANT AGREE WITH ANY CONDITION YOU IMPOSE ON THEM.
YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE IMPACT OF THE USE AND CREATING CONDITIONS THAT ARE MITIGATING.
WE'RE GOING TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT OF THAT USE, AND WHETHER THE APPLICANT LIKES IT OR NOT IF IT'S REASONABLE, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THE BOARD HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DO.
THERE'S NOT A REQUIREMENT THAT THE APPLICANTS AGREE WITH YOU, THOUGH WE OFTEN WILL LET THEM KNOW THESE CONDITIONS ARE COMING, AND SOMETIMES THEY'LL TELL YOU THEY DON'T OBJECT TO THEM OR WHATEVER, WHICH IS GOOD INFORMATION TO HAVE.
BUT JUST SO YOU'LL KNOW, WHEN IT'S A SPECIAL EXCEPTION CASE, THE CONDITIONS BEING IMPOSED, AND THAT'S THE TERM, THEY'RE BEING IMPOSED, NOT JUST BEING ATTACHED TO A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, YOU'RE TELLING THE APPLICANT, THIS IS HOW YOUR USE IS GOING TO BE ALLOWED.
I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE USE IS NOT ALLOWED WITHOUT APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE ANY CONDITIONS THAT THE BOARD IMPOSES.
THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THING TO KEEP IN MIND; THE POWER OF THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION, WHICH IS THE ABILITY.
IT'S THE ONE PLACE YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO IMPOSE CONDITIONS ON A LAND USE AND BACK TO SOME THINGS THAT COULD BE MORE IMPACTIVE, LIKE A DATA CENTER, SOMETHING THAT'S A HIGH TRAFFIC GENERATOR, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, YOU MIGHT WANT TO HAVE SOME CONDITIONS ON THOSE TYPES OF IMPACTS.
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[OVERLAPPING].WE LOOK AT THAT IN THE COMBINED STAFF REVIEW.
THEN, ACTUALLY GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE RIGHT TO ALSO SUGGEST, MODIFY, ALTER CONDITIONS AS PART OF THEIR PROCESS, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD, AND WE'VE GOT ANOTHER CONDITION OR A MODIFIED CONDITION WE WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO CONSIDER.
THEN ULTIMATELY THE BOARD WILL MAKE THE FINAL DECISION ON WHAT THE LANGUAGE OF THOSE CONDITIONS WOULD BE.
>> THE ONLY LIMITATION THAT WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT IN IMPOSING A CONDITION ARE AESTHETIC ONES.
IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT MITIGATES NOISE, DUST, TRAFFIC, HOURS OF OPERATION THOSE ARE ALL FINE.
WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO, HOW'S THAT GOING TO LOOK, IN SOME INSTANCES, IF IT'S A WASTE TREATMENT FACILITY AND YOU WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE A REGULAR HOUSE, MAYBE THAT, BUT MAKING THINGS LOOK PRETTY IS NOT REALLY ALLOWED UNDER ZONING, GENERALLY.
>> ONE THING. YOU CAN APPLY DESIGN REQUIREMENTS IN A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, BUT YOU CAN DO THAT AS YOUR ONLY REASON. THAT'S THE MAIN THING.
THAT CANNOT BE YOUR ONE AND ONLY THING YOU WANT TO DICTATE THE APPEARANCE.
IF IT'S PART AND PARCEL OF A LARGER DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, THEN YOU WANT TO HAVE CERTAIN DESIGN STANDARDS BUILT IN, DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY ARE.
IF THEY'RE REASONABLE, THAT'S CERTAINLY APPROPRIATE TO HAVE AS A REQUIREMENT.
BUT LIKE SAYING, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO APPROVE YOU IF YOU'RE USING CAPE COD-STYLE HOUSING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S WHEN YOU GET YOURSELF OUT OF BOUNDS.
>> SHOULD MOST OF THESE CONDITIONS BE DONE EITHER BY STAFF AND OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BECAUSE I KNOW IF THEY'RE DONE THAT FAR IN ADVANCE, THEY'RE NORMALLY DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT, I'M JUST CONCERNED A LOT OF TIMES WHEN GETTING HERE IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD, AND NOW WE'RE TRYING TO IMPOSE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN DISCUSSED ALONG THE WAY WITH THE APPLICANT.
>> TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, ALWAYS STARTS WITH THE STAFF.
>> STAFF IS ALWAYS GOING TO LOOK AT A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, AND I HATE TO SAY IT'S AUTOMATIC, BUT IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO AUTOMATIC.
THERE'S TO BE SOME LEVEL OF CONDITION, EVEN IF IT'S JUST TO PUT A TIME LIMIT ON THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
SOME WE'VE BEEN DOING IN THE LAST YEARS, WHICH IS, IF YOU DON'T INITIATE THIS USE WITHIN THE NEXT THREE YEARS OR TWO YEARS, THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION WILL EXPIRE.
THAT'S SO YOU DON'T LEAVE THESE THINGS THAT HANG AROUND AND THEN 10, 20, 30 YEARS LATER, SOMEBODY SHOWS UP AND GOES, I'VE GOT A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR SOLAR FARM THAT WAS NEVER BUILT, AND I'M GOING TO GO BUILD IT NOW.
WE'D LIKE TO PUT IN, EITHER EXPIRATION DATES, WE ALSO LIKE TO PUT IN TIME FRAMES, WE CALL THE ABANDON THE USE.
STOP DOING IT FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME.
IT WOULDN'T MAKE THEM COME BACK AGAIN.
IF THAT EXPIRES, MAKE THEM START OVER.
ALL THE CONDITIONS WILL START WITH STAFF AT THE VERY BEGINNING.
AGAIN, THE PLANNING COMMISSION BY PROCESS HAS THE AUTHORITY TO RECOMMEND ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS, MODIFY THE CONDITIONS TO THE BOARD.
THE BOARD HAS SPECIFIC AUTHORITY TO IMPOSE THE CONDITIONS, WHETHER THEY'RE THE ONES THAT CAME TO YOU FROM STAFF, THE ONES THAT CAME TO YOU FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ONES YOU THINK UP YOURSELF.
WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU HEARD WITH MISS LAURA, WHEN YOU GET TO THAT POINT, IT'S A VERY GOOD PRACTICE TO POSTPONE ACTION TO ALLOW THE CONDITIONS TO BE PROPERLY CRAFTED, AND THEN YOU CAN REVIEW THEM IN ADVANCE, AND APPLICANT BE AWARE OF WHAT THE POTENTIAL.
SOMETIMES YOU NEED TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT AS WELL.
>> QUITE OFTEN, DEPENDING ON THE CONDITION, IT MAY BE JUST GOOD PRACTICE TO SAY, WE'RE GOING TO POSTPONE ACTION SO WE CAN HAVE STAFF OR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WORK WITH THAT APPLICANT UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING, TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE IF WE HAD ONE LIKE THE DAYCARE CENTER WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE.
IF STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED A FOUR-FOOT FENCE AND THE BOARD'S, LIKE, THAT'S TOO SMALL, WE THINK SIX, THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.
BUT SOME OF THESE OTHER CONDITIONS CAN BE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
FOR THOSE, WHERE THE LANGUAGE IS A CHALLENGE, YOU'RE NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW YOU WANT TO SAY IT, AND THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE TERMINOLOGY IS LEGAL, IT'S REASONABLE, ON THOSE CASES, MY RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING SIDE OF THINGS WOULD BE TO POSTPONE ACTION AND THEN LET THE PROCESS BE SET ASIDE TO GET THE CONDITIONS WORKED OUT.
THE APPLICANT CAN SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION BACK TO WHAT THE BOARD HAD ASKED FOR.
>> IF YOU READ THE PACKET AND YOU HAVE AN IDEA FOR SOME CONDITIONS, CONTACT ONE OF US AND LET US KNOW SO THAT WE CAN MAYBE HAVE SOME LANGUAGE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER AT THE MEETING.
>> IT IS NEVER A GOOD IDEA TO TRY TO ADD A CONDITION ON THE FLY. PEOPLE DO IT.
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YOU CAN DO IT. IT'S NOT THE BEST CIRCUMSTANCES BECAUSE THE WAY IT USUALLY GOES DOWN IS MR. PUGH SAYS, WELL, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DRAINAGE IS OKAY.EVERYBODY GOES, AND THEN THEY VOTE ON IT, AND LIKE, WELL, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT'S JUST ZONING IS VERY, VERY SPECIFIC, AND THE WORDS REALLY MATTER.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO WRITE THEM DOWN AHEAD OF TIME AND FOR BOTH OF OUR DEPARTMENTS TO CONSIDER THE LANGUAGE AND FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER THE LANGUAGE, BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE WRITE STUFF, AND IT'S NOT WHAT YOU WANT.
>> WELL, I KNOW LATELY, YOU'VE BEEN BRINGING A TIME FRAME AROUND THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT SITTING UP HERE TRYING TO MAKE A CHANGE TO SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE [LAUGHTER] ALREADY RECOMMENDED.
>> BUT I WILL SAY THAT ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU CERTAINLY COULD.
>> I'M NOT SAYING WE COULDN'T, BUT [OVERLAPPING].
>> I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. LIKE, WHAT YOU DO I THINK A REALLY GOOD JOB OF EVALUATING THE APPLICATION, AND TRYING TO CREATE APPROPRIATE CONDITIONS THAT THE STAFF, EITHER PARTLY FROM HISTORICAL PRACTICE HERE, PARTLY FROM JUST EVALUATING THE APPLICATION, COMMENTS FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS, TRY TO CRAFT, REASONABLE CONDITIONS.
WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IT WHEN THE BOARD IS SATISFIED THAT WE HAVE, IN FACT, ADDRESSED YOUR CONCERNS.
BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, THE CONDITIONS ARE INTENDED TO MAKE THE USE APPROPRIATE IN THE LOCATION WHERE IT'S CITY IS OTHERWISE WITHOUT A APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD IT'S NOT PERMITTED.
THOSE CONDITIONS HAVE TO BE ENOUGH OF A MITIGATING FACTOR, WHERE THE BOARD SAYS NOW, WITH THOSE CONDITIONS WE THINK OR WHATEVER.
SOMETIMES YOU MAY JUST THINK IT'S TOO MUCH IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU GO, WITH THOSE CONDITIONS, WE THINK THIS CAN BE A PERMITTED USE.
WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE, AND I WANT THE BOARD TO APPRECIATE THAT WE DO SPEND TIME CRAFTING THE LANGUAGE OF THOSE CONDITIONS BECAUSE THE OTHER THING WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT.
I'LL TALK ABOUT IN A SECOND IS BEING ABLE TO ENFORCE THEM, ONCE YOU ONCE YOU PUT THEM IN PLACE, BECAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER CHALLENGE IF YOU HAD A BADLY WORDED CONDITION, TRYING TO BE TO ENFORCE IT?
>> HERE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THESE CONDITIONS.
WE'LL JUST CARRY ON THE CONVERSATION THERE.
[NOISE] WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE CONDITIONS NEED TO BE REASONABLY AND PROPORTIONALLY RELATED TO THE IMPACTS OF THE USE.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOT REQUIRED TO AGREE WITH YOUR CONDITIONS.
THESE ARE JUST SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR CONDITION LANGUAGE.
I THINK THIS GOES ON WITH WHAT MR. RAB WAS JUST DISCUSSING.
YOU WANT YOUR CONDITIONS TO BE STATED CLEARLY IN USING TERMINOLOGY THAT PRETTY MUCH MATCHES WHAT'S IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE OR IT'S CLOSE TO WHAT'S IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
BECAUSE YOU ARE IN FACT APPLYING ZONING TO THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
IF YOU WANT TO USE SIMILAR LANGUAGE WHERE YOU CAN.
ALWAYS, WE PREFER YOU SAY SHALL OR MUST.
THAT'S ENFORCEABLE, SHOULD OR MAY, IS LIKE WHATEVER.
I SHOULD DO IT, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO.
AS OPPOSED TO, YOU SHALL DO IT, SO WE SAY YOU SHALL PUT UP A FENCE.
THERE'S NO AMBIGUITY THERE ABOUT THE REQUIREMENT.
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO GET THAT TERMINOLOGY IN THERE.
THAT'S THE WAY WE READ THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THE WAY WE READ STATE CODE, SHALL MEANS SOMETHING A LOT DIFFERENT THAN IF SOMEBODY SAYS YOU SHOULD.
AGAIN, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE TIMES FOR PERFORMANCE, AND THIS CAN MEAN A COUPLE OF THINGS, WHETHER IT'S A START DATE OR A TERMINATION DATE, OR HOURS OF OPERATION, IT WOULD BE VERY CLEAR WHAT THOSE ARE.
YOU WANT TO BE THINKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THESE THINGS ARE ENFORCEABLE.
IF YOU PUT IN SOME CONDITIONS LIKE MAYBE IT'D BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR SOMEBODY OR CERTAINLY THE COUNTY HANDLES CODE ENFORCEMENT OF THE STAFFING TO BE ABLE TO GO INTO ALL THESE PLACES LIKE IF YOU HAVE CONDITIONS THAT ARE LATE AT NIGHT OR INTO THE EARLY MORNING HOURS OR SOMETHING, INSPECT SOMEBODY TO GO OUT ON THE ZONING SIDE AND DO AN INSPECTION AT MIDNIGHT OR SOMETHING, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE.
JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT THE CONDITIONS OUGHT TO ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT THEY NEED TO BE ENFORCEABLE.
OF COURSE, IF THE BOARD WANTS CONDITIONS LIKE THAT, CERTAINLY WITHIN YOUR TOTAL RIGHT AND PURVIEW TO DO THAT.
WE JUST HAVE KEEP IN MIND WHATEVER CONDITIONS YOU PUT ON ARE GOING TO NEED TO BE ENFORCED IF THE APPLICANT GETS IN VIOLATION.
I JUST WANT BEFORE I GET INTO THE CONCLUSION HERE, I DO WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A SIDE CONVERSATION.
I THINK THIS GOES BACK TO, I THINK WHAT MR. BROWN, YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT QUITE A BIT, AND THAT IS THIS QUESTION ABOUT HOW MANY THINGS HAVE SPECIAL EXCEPTION REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS THAT DON'T AND DO TOO MANY THINGS REQUIRE SPECIAL.
ARE YOU SEEING TOO MANY? WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHO COMES IN THE DOOR AND SAYS,
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I WANT TO DO SOMETHING.THE BOARD HAS CONTROL OVER WHAT USES YOU DETERMINED NEED A SPECIAL EXCEPTION OR NOT.
THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT.
IF YOU WANTED AN ANALYSIS DONE, LIKE, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT OUR PERMITTED USES NOW, WHEN THE ZONING ORDINANCE GETS UPDATED.
YOU'RE GOING TO BE CRAFTING BASICALLY A TABLE MUCH MORE EASY TO LOOK AT.
LAND USE TABLE THAT WOULD HAVE ALL THE ZONING DISTRICTS, AND THEN THE USE IS GOING DOWN AND WHETHER IT'S PERMITTED, NOT PERMITTED, NEEDS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
BUT MINORITY EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE.
YOU KNOW, SPEND SOME TIME LOOKING AT IT BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO LIVE WITH THIS EVERY MONTH, EVERY YEAR WHEN THESE APPLICATIONS COME FORWARD AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT TABLE AND GO, YES, THAT'S THE WAY WE WANT TO REGULATE THESE THINGS.
THESE DEFINITELY NEED THIS DATA CENTER NEEDS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION OR IT DOESN'T.
OR THIS DAYCARE CENTER NEEDS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION OR IT DOESN'T. WHATEVER YOU THINK.
THEN THE LAST PART I PUT ON THAT IS, BEAR IN MIND, IF THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU THINK I COULD GENERALLY TAKE IT AS A BUY RIGHT USE.
IF THERE WERE SOME OTHER STANDARDS OR CONDITIONS WE COULD ALWAYS MAKE SURE ARE APPLIED.
YOU CAN DO THAT AS WELL THROUGH THESE USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS THAT YOU CAN PUT INTO THE ZONING ORDINANCE SAY FOR THIS A USE, YOU SHALL ALWAYS DO THIS TYPE OF THING.
THROUGH THAT ULTIMATELY, AS I WAS SAYING, BUT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THIS IS YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE, IS YOUR DOCUMENT.
WE ENFORCE ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD.
WE APPLY ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO FIX IT.
YOU CAN CERTAINLY TELL US TO GO AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND GO BRING YOU SOMETHING BACK OR TELL THE PLANNING COMMISSION YOU'D LIKE THEM TO DO THE SAME TASK.
THEN WE COULD BRING, EITHER REPORT BACK OR POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS BACK, IF YOU'RE PRETTY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT YOU WANTED.
BUT THIS IS REALLY IN THE BOARD'S HANDS TO TELL US, WE'RE JUST BRINGING YOU WHAT'S BEEN BUILT IN THIS ORDINANCE SINCE 1965.
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO IT, WOULD NOT OBJECT AT ALL.
THAT WOULD BE WHATEVER THE BOARD WOULD THINK, YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND WHY IS THIS REQUIRING A SPECIAL EXCEPTION? WHY IS THIS PERSON WHO WANTS TO DO THIS THING IN THEIR ACCESSORY BUILDING IN THEIR BACK YARD? NEED A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FROM THE BOARD? SHOULD THE BOARD BE THE AUTHORITY OVER SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I DID WANT TO MENTION ONE OTHER THING LAST, MY LAST CLOSING COMMENT, THAT IT'S AN ANOMALY IN THE STATE CODE.
BUT WHEN YOU GET THESE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS, THE STATE CODE REFERS TO THREE DIFFERENT THINGS MEAN THE SAME THING.
SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS, SPECIAL USES, CONDITIONAL USES.
THEY'RE ALL THE SAME. WE HAVE BOTH IN OUR ORDINANCE QUITE FRANKLY.
WE HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE, A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, MOSTLY SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS.
SOME LOCALITIES, DO SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS.
YOU MAY RECALL IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE DIAGNOSTIC THAT WAS DONE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE BY THE BERKELEY GROUP BEFORE THEY RECOMMENDED, WE GET AWAY FROM THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY CLEAR ON WHAT IT IS.
THEY SUGGESTED, WHICH I WOULD AGREE WITH CALLING THEM SPECIAL USES, WHICH REQUIRED CONDITION THIS UP TO THE BOARD, IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR TERMINOLOGY.
BUT IF YOU'RE LOOK IN THE STATE CODE, OR YOU'RE LOOKING IN ANOTHER LOCALITY AND THEY'RE HAVING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR YOU SEE THEY'RE HAVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, IT'S THE SAME THING AS YOUR SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENED IS OVER YEARS, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN AMENDING THE STATE CODE, AND THEY'RE BRINGING STAFF THEM FROM WHATEVER LOCALITY THEY'RE REPRESENTING THEM.
THEY GET THAT TERMINOLOGY, AND THE STATE JUST SAYS, IF YOU SEE THIS, THIS AND THIS, IT'S ALL THE SAME THING.
A LOT OF PEOPLE GET CONFUSED BY THAT.
IF THEY HAPPEN TO MOVE AROUND DIFFERENT LOCALITIES AND THEY'LL SEE. THAT'S DIFFERENT.
THEY'RE NOT GETTING A SPECIAL EXCEPTION OVER THERE.
AS THEY KNOW THEY'RE GETTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. IT'S THE SAME THING.
>> THE OTHER THING IS THAT, IF YOU EVER WANT TO TALK MORE ZONING, BOB AND I ARE BOTH AVAILABLE, WE HAVE A WEEKLY MEETING ON FRIDAYS AT THREE, NOT THIS FRIDAY, BUT GENERALLY, WE DO MEET ON FRIDAYS AT THREE AND WE LOVE TO TALK ABOUT IT.
>> I KNOW. THEY'RE TRYING TO GET [OVERLAPPING]
>> LOOKING FORWARD TO TALKING ABOUT THAT.
>> THEY'RE TRYING TO GET HELP FOR US.
>> DEFINITELY THE POINT WHERE THE COUNTY NEEDS TO TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE AND REALLY GIVE IT A GOOD REFRESH.
I'LL JUST CALL IT [NOISE] TO GET IT DO WHAT YOU WANT IT TO DO.
I SAID, A LOT OF ONE OF OUR BIGGEST PROBLEMS I JUST MENTIONED IS THEY HAVE SO MANY USES IN THERE.
ROBINSON MENTIONED THEM BEING IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
WE'VE GOT THINGS IN THE ZONING. THEY'RE UNDEFINED. WHAT IS THAT? WE HAVE TO SIT LIKE, WHAT DID THEY MEAN WHEN THEY CALLED THAT THAT.
THEN SOMETIMES YOU'LL ACTUALLY SEE IN A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
WE'LL DEFINE IT IN A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
LIKE, WE'RE GOING TO DEFINE IT, LET THE BOARD CALL IT SOMETHING, BUT THAT'S NOT GOOD ZONING PRACTICE, AND IT'S VERY INEFFICIENT FOR US, OBVIOUSLY TO HAVE A LIST OF USES THAT ARE UNDEFINED.
>> ANY QUESTIONS? BOARD MEMBERS?
>> YES, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> HOW WOULD YOU LIKE JUST TO PROCEED FORWARD WHEN WE GET A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, AND WE WANT TO PUT A STIPULATION ON IT.
DO YOU WANT US TO SEND YOU AN EMAIL AND YOU WOULD SEND IT TO
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THE DEPARTMENT HEAD OR SEND IT TO THE ENTIRE BOARD? HOW DO YOU WANT TO START GOING ABOUT IT?>>> I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO SEND IT BY EMAIL TO MISS.
WAYMACK AND MR. BALDWIN, BUT CC THE BOARD, JUST SO THE ENTIRE BOARD IS AWARE. BLIND COPY.
>> THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO DO [OVERLAPPING].
>> BUT BLIND COPY OF THE BOARD SO THAT WE ALL ARE NOT RESPONDING BACK, BUT AT LEAST THAT WAY, WE'RE ALL AWARE THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THIS OR YOU'D LIKE THEM TO LOOK INTO THAT.
>> IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN GET BOARD CONSENSUS ON BECAUSE THIS IS JUST ME.
WHAT'S THE POINT OF PUTTING THEM THROUGH THE WORK IF THE BOARD'S NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT.
>> WELL, WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD [OVERLAPPING] PUT IT IN WORDS AND [APPLAUSE] PROBABLY I DON'T KNOW, MR. STOKE WOULD CIRCULATE IT TO THE BOARD AND GET A BOARD'S CONSENSUS.
>> I JUST ADD TO THAT, I WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT MAKING US DO WORK FOR YOU.
THAT'S REALLY NOT AN ISSUE FOR US.
>> YOU'VE GOT A LOT ON YOUR PLATE.
>> WE DO, BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU WANT US TO LOOK AT, THIS IS WHAT WE DO.
WE WOULD WANT TO BE ABLE TO HELP YOU OUT.
IF YOU EVEN GET TO THE LAST MINUTE, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING, WE WOULD WANT TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO TRY TO HELP YOU WITH THAT ALL.
>> SOME HOW BETTER THAN ON THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> THE ULTIMATE GOAL FOR ME WOULD BE AND MR. WEBB HAS USED THIS TERMINOLOGY, BUT BEING FAIR AND CONSISTENT WITH EVERYONE.
THERE MAY BE CERTAIN SITUATIONS WHERE WE WANT TO MODIFY OR CHANGE SOMETHING, BUT THAT SHOULD NOT BE ON A REGULAR BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TREATING EVERYONE THE SAME.
NO ONE LOOKS BACK FOR WAIT A MINUTE.
YOU GUYS APPROVED THIS A WEEK AGO OR TWO WEEKS AGO, AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE THIS SAME STIPULATION.
>> BUT THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR SPECIAL EXCEPTION IS TO BE ABLE TO TAILOR CONDITIONS TO THAT PARTICULAR PROPOSED USE IN THAT LOCATION.
WE DO HAVE A LOT OF SIMILAR USES NOW BY SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
BUT AS BOB NOTED, IF WE CAN REALLY STANDARDIZE IT AND WE WANT THE SAME THING FROM EVERYBODY, WE SHOULD NOT REQUIRE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION AND JUST PUT THOSE IN THE ORDINANCE.
>> I WASN'T SAYING NOT TO TAILOR IT FOR SOMETHING IN A SPECIAL AREA.
BUT, IF THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH A TWO YEAR.
THEN IF WE'RE ONLY PICKING CERTAIN THINGS AND ONLY AND CHANGING THAT TO ONE YEAR, I'M LOOKING AT THAT GOING, WELL, WHAT DRIVES US MAKING THAT A CHANGE? CERTAIN THINGS I'M SAYING WE SHOULD TRY TO BE CONSISTENT.
BUT THERE WILL BE SOME THINGS, I THINK WILL DEPEND ON THE USAGE IN THAT AREA.
THAT MIGHT DRIVE US TO DO SOME SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THINGS. YES, SIR. GO AHEAD AND SWEAR.
>> I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU JUST PROPOSED.
I CAN SIT HERE AND TELL YOU THAT I'VE SEEN SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE AND IT HAPPENED PRIOR TO ME, [NOISE] BUT IT WOUND UP COMING BACK IN AIR LAPSE.
WE MADE SOME SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS.
WELL, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IT. POLITICS GOT INVOLVED.
THEY APPROVED IT, 6, 08, 9 MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD, SOMETHING CAME BACK, BUILDER HAD THE SAME CONCERN, A LEGIT CONCERN.
WAIT A MINUTE, YOU JUST DID THIS. SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
I GOT THE SAME SCENARIO EVEN IN A DIFFERENT AREA, SAME EXACT SCENARIO AND YOU'RE TELLING ME I CAN'T GET MINE.
THAT'S WHY I AM ALWAYS PUSHING TO BE FAIR AND CONSISTENT.
>> ALLOW SOMETHING FROM ONE THING, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING EXTRAORDINARILY SETS OUT, AND THEN IT OUGHT TO BE SOMEWHAT CONSISTENT STANDARD.
EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH, EVERYBODY'S GETTING A FAIR SHAKE.
THE SECOND THING IS, I LIKE THE WORD CONDITION BETTER UNDER YOUR EXCEPTION.
CONDITION JUST PUTS A DIFFERENT SLANT ON IT FOR ME, BUT THAT'S JUST ME.
>> SPECIALLY EXCEPTION. IT CAN MEAN DAMN ANYTHING.
CONDITIONS MEANS THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIFICS ON THAT.
>> BY THE GRACE OF THE BOARD. HOW ABOUT THAT?
>> NO, I DON'T THINK [OVERLAPPING] I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO QUITE THAT FAR. PLEASE, NO.
[OVERLAPPING] WE DID. THANK YOU, SIR.
>> WE'RE AVAILABLE ANY TIME. YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING TIME TONIGHT.
>> YOU DID VERY WELL, LETTING HER TRY TO RUN ME.
>> BOARD MEMBERS, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE ON OUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT, SO AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT.
>> MISS CHAIR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT.
>> IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. PUGH AND SECOND BY MR. COX THAT WE WOULD ADJOURN THE MEETING AT THIS TIME.
MISS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
>> MEETING ADJOURNED.
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