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FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF PRINCE GEORGE.
SO BEFORE THE ROLL CALL, WE WILL ASK HIM TO DIAL IN AND JOIN US SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO ALLOW HIM TO ATTEND REMOTELY PRIOR TO THE ROLL CALL. IS HE ALREADY DIALED IN? YES. OKAY, COOL. I WASN'T SURE IF YOU WERE ON THE LINE OR NOT.
SO JUST I JUST NEED TO CALL YOU FORMALLY, MR. MCDONOUGH. WHILE YOU WERE UNABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN PERSON.
AND WHERE YOU ARE CALLING IN FROM? I AM CURRENTLY IN SARASOTA, FLORIDA ON A PRE-PLANNED FAMILY TRIP THAT WE GO ON EVERY YEAR AT THE SAME TIME. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I WILL ASK THE COMMISSIONERS FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ALLOW MR. MCDONOUGH TO PARTICIPATE WITH A REMOTE LOCATION.
I MOVE TO ALLOW MR. MCDONOUGH TO PARTICIPATE REMOTELY.
SECOND. GO AHEAD. ALL RIGHT, NOW, IF WE CAN GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE FULL ROLL CALL FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, PLEASE.
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MR. WAYMACK WILL BE LEADING THE INVOCATION TONIGHT, AND.
MR.? WHAT'S YOUR LAST NAME? HAL. I'M NOT USED TO NEW NAMES YET.
WILL BE LEADING US IN THE PLEDGE. OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK THEE FOR THIS DAY THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN, AND FOR ALL OF YOUR MANY BLESSINGS BESTOWED AMONG US.
PLEASE GUIDE OUR COMMISSION AS WE HEAR THE CASES THAT COME BEFORE US TONIGHT.
PRAY FOR PEACE IN OUR COUNTRY AND FOR THOSE SERVING TO PROTECT US AT HOME AND ABROAD.
PRAY FOR ALL OF OUR ATTENDEES AND THEIR SAFE TRAVEL HOME.
IN JESUS NAME, AMEN. AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ITEM FOR TONIGHT IS THE ADOPTION OF OUR AGENDA.
[ADOPTION OF AGENDA ]
IF I CAN HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE. AND SECOND, I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE AGENDA AS WRITTEN FOR TONIGHT'S BUSINESS MEETING.CALL]. ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME, WE'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO APPROACH THE COMMISSIONERS THAT IS NOT RELATED TO SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT? AND THERE'S NO ONE COMING FORWARD. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
NEXT UP ARE THE COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS TO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR ANYTHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THIS EVENING? NO. OKAY. SO, LET'S MOVE ALONG THEN, TO OUR ORDER OF BUSINESS.
[ORDER OF BUSINESS]
THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS ADOPTION OF THE MEETINGS FROM THE JANUARY 21ST WORK SESSION.IF WE CAN, PLEASE HAVE A MOTION. AND SECOND. I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE MINUTES FROM THE JANUARY 21ST WORK SESSION AS WRITTEN. SECOND. SECOND.
YES. ALL RIGHT. NEXT IS ADOPTION OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM JANUARY 23RD.
BUSINESS MEETING. I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE MINUTES OF JANUARY 23RD, 2025, BUSINESS MEETING AS WRITTEN. SECOND.
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CALL]. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE TOPIC ON THE CHICKENS AND THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. EVENING. I'M GOING TO PINCH HIT FOR.
MR. GRAVES, WHO IS OUT TONIGHT. AND WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING THE ISSUE OF CHICKENS IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IN SOME LEVEL FOR PROBABLY 9 OR 10 MONTHS SINCE THIS, SINCE THIS STARTED. SO WE HAD A PRETTY IN-DEPTH BRIEFING ON THIS MONDAY'S WORK SESSION.
BUT I'M GOING TO WALK BACK THROUGH KIND OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT HAS BEEN DONE UP TO THIS POINT.
AND THEN WE'LL SEE WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S PLEASURE WILL BE AS FAR AS EITHER MOVING THE MOVING SOMETHING FORWARD FOR TO ADVISE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD SUGGEST, OR IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD LIKE MORE TIME TO TAKE IN ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR ASK FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM STAFF.
HERE. IS THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE BOTTOM LINE.
IS THAT FORWARD? I DON'T KNOW. OH, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.
WE CAN JUST DO IT FROM HERE. I THINK I'LL JUST DO IT.
OLD SCHOOL. ALL RIGHT. AS WE DISCUSSED THE WORK SESSION, WE'RE GOING TO VERY QUICKLY RECAP THE BACKGROUND OF HOW WE GOT HERE FROM THE ORIGINAL BOARD REQUEST AND GO BACK AND RECAP SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS AND THE WORK THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS DONE SINCE THAT TIME. AND THEN, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THEN WE'LL GET TO A POINT OF CONSIDERING SOME POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER MAKING TO THE BOARD AND GO FROM THERE.
SO NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO AS WE NOTED ON MONDAY NIGHT, AS TIM, TIM WAS BRIEFING, YOU KNOW, WE PRIOR TO 2014, CHICKENS WERE NOT PERMITTED IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS IN THE COUNTY.
THEY WERE, THEY'RE ONLY PERMITTED IN AGRICULTURAL DISTRICTS. IN 2014, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DECIDED TO AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO ALLOW POULTRY AS WELL AS SOME OTHER ANIMALS WILL JUST SAY IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS JUST IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS WITH THE LIMITATION THAT THEY HAD TO BE ON A LOT OF TWO ACRES OR LARGER, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, QUITE A BIT LARGER THAN THE STANDARD ZONING IN LIKE THE R1, R2, R3 RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. SO, IT LEFT A FAIRLY SIZABLE PORTION OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL LOTS STILL UNABLE TO HAVE CHICKENS BECAUSE THEIR LOTS DID NOT MEET THAT TWO ACRE REQUIREMENT. SOME ISSUES WERE RAISED IN 2020 REGARDING SOME CODE ENFORCEMENT.
THE BOARD ASKED THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TOOK AN IN-DEPTH LOOK AND AT THAT TIME DETERMINED NOT TO FORWARD ANY RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, AND SO NO CHANGES WERE MADE AFTER THAT.
VERY SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES POPPED UP AGAIN. 2024 HAD ADDITIONAL CODE ENFORCEMENT QUESTIONS.
SOMEONE WITH CHICKENS IN THEIR BACKYARD. THEY DID NOT HAVE A TWO ACRE PARCEL.
THEY CAME BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND TWO THINGS HAPPENED. THAT NUMBER ONE, THE BOARD SUSPENDED CODE ENFORCEMENT ON THESE BACKYARD CHICKENS AND THEN ASKED THE PLANNING COMMISSION, TAKE A LOOK AT IT. AND TO COME BACK AND MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, POTENTIALLY TO THE BOARD.
THEY FOLLOWED THAT UP BACK IN JUNE AND THEY ASKED FOR SOME ADDITIONAL PUBLIC INPUT.
SO WE'LL DISCUSS SORT OF THE PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS WE HAD AFTER THAT.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO AGAIN, DURING THE SUMMER OF 2024 WE PUT TOGETHER A SURVEY, AN ONLINE SURVEY TRYING TO MAKE IT PRETTY EASY FOR PEOPLE TO RESPOND.
SOME BASIC QUESTIONS. AND THIS WAS REALLY BUILDING ON A MORE DETAILED, MORE TARGETED SURVEY THAT WAS DONE BACK IN 2020, WHERE MORE POSTCARDS WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS IN THAT DISTRICT.
OTHERS IN THE COUNTY WERE NOT PARTICULARLY, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY ASKED TO COMMENT ON IT.
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AND SO, WE GOT THE SURVEY INFORMATION IN THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.WE ALSO PROVIDED ALL THE INDIVIDUAL COMMENTS. WE ALSO LET PEOPLE PROVIDE INDIVIDUAL COMMENTS, WHICH WERE ALSO FORWARDED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO LOOK AT, JUST SO YOU COULD SEE, IN ADDITION TO HOW PEOPLE VOTED ON THEIR ON THE SURVEY QUESTIONS.
ANY OTHER INDIVIDUAL COMMENTS THEY MIGHT HAVE HAD.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO HERE'S SORT OF A RECAP.
THIS SHOWS THE 2020 VERSUS 2024. YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE DIFFERENCE IN THE SURVEY RESPONSE.
RESPONDENTS FROM 2020-2024. QUITE A LARGER RESPONSE FROM 119 TO 687.
BUT THE INTERESTING THING IS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, VOTING PERCENTAGES, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER, THE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE WHO SUPPORTED CHICKENS ON PARCELS OF LESS THAN TWO ACRES WAS ALMOST IDENTICAL, 74 AND 75%. AND THEN ANOTHER ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS WE JUST ASKED AT THE SAME TIME WAS LIKE, HOW MANY CHICKENS IS THE RIGHT NUMBER OF CHICKENS? USING SIX AS SORT OF A FAIRLY COMMON NUMBER USED IN MANY OTHER LOCALITIES FOR BACKYARD CHICKENS.
WELL, THE COUNTY HAD HAS AT THE TIME, AND THAT CAME BACK WITH 78% AND 2020 AND 80% IN 2024.
SAID THEY THOUGHT SIX WAS THE WAS THE RIGHT NUMBER.
SO THAT WOULD BE SORT OF THE NORMAL, THE NORMAL SIZE LOT AND THE MAX NUMBER OF CHICKENS ALLOWED.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. OKAY. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID WE THE STAFF MET WITH THEM ANIMAL SERVICES BECAUSE THEY ALSO GET A NUMBER OF CALLS, AND WE KNOW DURING THIS PROCESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS ALSO ASKING ABOUT SOME CODE ENFORCEMENT DATA.
AND SO WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT YOU KNOW, THE ANIMAL SERVICES DATA AND THE NUMBERS AREN'T, YOU KNOW, EXTREMELY HIGH IN THEIR DATA AS IT'S NOT IN THE, IN THE ONES FROM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.
BUT THERE WERE A COUPLE OF COMMON, COMMON ISSUES THAT GOT RAISED, AND ONE OF THOSE BEING THE FACT THAT THE WAY THE COUNTY HAS ITS REGULATIONS REGARDING CHICKENS AND ANIMALS AND, AND SOME OF THE RESTRICTIONS THAT THE ANIMAL SERVICES HAS ON WHAT THEY CAN DO AND YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE LIMITATIONS WE WERE HAVING OVER IN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SIDE ABOUT THE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS, THEY JUST WEREN'T, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF COMPLAINTS COMING IN. SO AND WE HAD A LONG CONVERSATION WITH ANIMAL SERVICES ANIMAL CONTROL MANAGER WHO MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH WE'LL TOUCH IN A SECOND. NEXT SLIDE. NEXT KNIFE ONE.
THIS IS THE KNIFE. IS IT? KNOW WHAT? THE NEXT ONE AFTER THAT.
SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL DATA THAT JUST GOES OVER KIND OF THE NUMBERS THAT WE WERE GETTING FROM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ON A NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS THEY WERE GETTING AND WHAT THEY HAVE, AT LEAST IN THEIR RECORDS, A RELATIVELY LOW NUMBER.
AND, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, ONE OF THINGS YOU SEE BETWEEN THESE TWO THINGS IS SORT OF THE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE CHICKENS ARE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND THERE ARE COMPLAINTS ABOUT CHICKENS THAT ARE WANDERING. THERE ARE COMPLAINTS ABOUT PEOPLE HAVING ROOSTERS.
AND THERE WERE SOME CALLS TO THE ANIMAL SERVICES FOLKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CHICKENS HAVING BEEN ATTACKED BY DOGS OR BY OTHER, OTHER WILDLIFE. AND SO ANYWAY, THAT PROVIDED THAT ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND INFORMATION TO THE, TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO NEXT SLIDE. SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND TRYING TO GET TO A POINT WHERE THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT WANTS TO MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WE STARTED OFF WITH WHAT WE THOUGHT SHOULD BE SOME BASELINE ASSUMPTIONS, AND THIS IS CERTAINLY UP FOR, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IF YOU IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THESE THINGS.
BUT WE JUST STARTED OFF WITH WE WERE YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY JUST LOOKING AT WHAT THE BOARD ASKED TO LOOK AT, WHICH IS THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. WE WEREN'T LOOKING AT AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT AT ALL, PURELY THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
WE WERE ONLY LOOKING AT CHICKENS. THERE'S ALL SORTS OF OTHER POULTRY LISTED IN THE IN THE CODE, LIKE I DON'T KNOW, PEACOCKS AND OTHER. ANOTHER THIS IS PURELY LOOKING AT CHICKENS.
NO SLAUGHTERING OF ANY OF THE BIRDS UNLESS IT WAS DONE FOR PERSONAL USE IS NOT TO BE LIKE A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE OR WHAT HAVE YOU, AND THAT MUST BE CONTAINED AND FENCED ON THE PROPERTY.
SO FROM THAT WE MOVE ON TO WHAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED IS THE TWO PRIMARY OPTIONS.
THEY'RE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD BETWEEN THESE TWO.
WE HAVE OPTION A, WHICH WOULD BE TO ALLOW THE CHICKENS ON WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER A NORMAL OR,
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YOU KNOW, A WHAT WE CALL A, YOU KNOW, COMPLIANT MINIMUM SIZE LOT WITHIN THESE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.AND SO IN THAT CASE YOU'D HAVE UP TO SIX CHICKENS ON THOSE LOTS, THOSE BASELINE ASSUMPTIONS.
I JUST WENT OVER ON THE PRIOR SLIDE AND THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT SETBACKS, BECAUSE THE ONES THAT ARE ESTABLISHED FOR THE TWO ACRE PARCELS ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, NOT REALLY GOING TO WORK ON A MUCH SMALLER LOTS.
WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND I WOULD JUST MAKE A POINT.
JUST FOR EVERYONE'S UNDERSTANDING HERE IS THAT SINCE ALL OF THESE REGULATIONS ARE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHOULD THE BOARD ELECT TO GO MAKE SOME CHANGES? THIS DOES REQUIRE ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT PROCESS, WHICH WOULD MEAN, YOU KNOW, DRAFTING UP PROPER ZONING ORDINANCE LANGUAGE AND GOING THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, BOTH THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. SO, SINCE THESE ARE ALL HOUSED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THAT WOULD ANY CHANGES, THEY WOULD ULTIMATELY THE BOARD WOULD ELECT TO DO WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GO BACK THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS AND BACK TO THE BOARD. THEY'D ALSO HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THEY COULD MAKE ANY CHANGES OR DETERMINE TO NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES. SO JUST MAKE IT CLEAR THIS WON'T GO TO THE BOARD.
AND THEN THE BOARD MAKES A DECISION MOVES ON THAT THEY WOULD JUST BE AUTHORIZING ULTIMATELY THE AMENDMENT OF, YOU KNOW, FOR PREPARATION OF POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD TO CONSIDER.
SO THERE'S STILL MORE BEHIND THIS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE SHOULD A DETERMINATION BE MADE BY THE BOARD BASED ON THEIR OPINION AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO MODIFY WHAT'S ON THE BOOKS ALREADY? SO, THAT'S OPTION A, WE GO TO OPTION B ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
AND THAT'S JUST YOU KNOW, DON'T MAKE ANY CHANGES AT THIS TIME.
AND THE STAFF CONVERSATION, WE JUST MAKE THIS NOTE ON HERE.
THERE SEEMS TO BE CONFUSION. YOU KNOW THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS STRUCTURED, WHEN PEOPLE ARE READING IT, LOOKING FOR WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN HAVE CHICKENS.
AND IT WAS LIKE THE FIRST THING YOU LOOK AT SAYS, YES.
AND IF YOU DON'T LOOK A LITTLE FURTHER, YOU MISS THE TWO ACRE MINIMUM LOT SIZE TYPE OF THING.
YOU HAVE TO YOU HAVE TO KIND OF DIG A LITTLE DEEPER.
AND A NUMBER OF PEOPLE SAID THEY WEREN'T AWARE. THEY JUST SAW THAT THEY WERE ALLOWED AND THEY WEREN'T AWARE THERE WAS A, YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, WEREN'T AWARE THERE WAS WHAT WE WOULD TALK ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK AND EVEN IF NO CHANGES ARE MADE TO WHERE YOU CAN KEEP THEM OR THE NUMBER YOU'RE KEEPING THEM, THEY TRY TO REORGANIZE THE ORDINANCE TO BE A LITTLE BIT CLEARER ABOUT THE STANDARDS, SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD SEE THE WHOLE THING IN 1 IN 1 PLACE.
SO BASICALLY, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE REGULATIONS REGARDING THE NUMBER OF CHICKENS OR THE SIZE OF TWO ACRE LOTS CHANGED, WE STILL WOULD. THE STAFF IS STILL RECOMMENDING TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE JUST TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE USER FRIENDLY FOR PEOPLE LOOKING FOR THIS INFORMATION. NEXT SLIDE.
SO OTHER OPTIONS AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, I, YOU KNOW, STARTED SPEAKING.
ONE OF THE OPTIONS WOULD BE IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO GO BACK AND GATHER ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE YOU WOULD WANT US TO BRING YOU SOME ADDITIONAL RESEARCH ON OR CONSIDERATION ON. JUST LET US KNOW.
WE'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO GO BACK AND TAKE A TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
YOU KNOW, THE IDEA IS TO GET THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO A POINT WHERE WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION WE MAKE TO THE BOARD IS BASED ON YOU HAVING THE INFORMATION YOU BELIEVE YOU NEED TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION. SO JUST LET US KNOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO DO THAT.
AND WITH THAT WE'RE BASICALLY GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR YOU TO SORT OF PICK A PICK AN OPTION HERE OR TO TELL US TO GO AND DO SOME ADDITIONAL RESEARCH. SO, HERE WE ARE TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE HAVING THE NEXT SLIDE.
NEXT, NEXT SLIDE DOWN. HERE WE GO. THAT'S GOOD.
AND THEN TODAY WOULD BE YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD EITHER ON THOSE TWO OPTIONS OR TO RECOMMEND KICKING IT BACK TO THE STAFF TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL WORK FOR YOU. THAT'S TONIGHT ASSUMING THAT'S THE CASE, WE WOULD, AND YOU MADE A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE BOARD ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
OUR INTENT WOULD BE TO GO BACK AND DO A REPORT TO THE BOARD, NOT TO ASK THEM TO DO ANYTHING, BUT BASICALLY RUN OVER THE SAME REPORT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SO THEY CAN SEE THE, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS THAT WAS TAKING THE EFFORT THE PLANNING COMMISSION PUT INTO THIS THING AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WOULD THEN BE GIVEN, YOU KNOW, TIME FOR THEM TO COME BACK AND DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO MAKE ANY CHANGES OR NOT, WHICH WE ARE WOULD TENTATIVELY SAY WOULD BE IN THEIR APRIL 22ND MEETING.
SO, THAT WOULD BE THE POINT IN WHICH THE BOARD WOULD AT LEAST BE ON THEIR AGENDA FOR THEM TO ADVISE STAFF OR TO TELL STAFF THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED AND MAKE CHANGES. AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AGAIN AND TO THE BOARD AND INITIATE THE GET THE RESOLUTION ADOPTED, INITIATING THE ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS. THAT WILL TAKE US A LITTLE TIME TO PUT THAT ALL TOGETHER. SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
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I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ON EVEN OVER THIS STUFF.A NUMBER OF TIMES. AND SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GIVE US SOME GUIDANCE ON WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO LIKE US TO DO NEXT, WHETHER TO PROCEED TO THE BOARD OR EITHER WAY, WITH MAKE CHANGES OR NOT MAKING CHANGES, OR IF YOU WANT US TO GO AND DO SOME ADDITIONAL WORK. JUST ONE QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE I WAS INITIALLY CONFUSED ON THIS, I THINK I'M STRAIGHT NOW, BUT I DON'T LIKE I DON'T LIKE TO ASSUME ANYTHING.
CAN WE GO BACK TO 13 AND TWO PAGES? TWO SLIDES BACK? I THINK IT WAS ON 11. SO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT.
IF WE IF WE UPDATE, IF WE DO OPTION A, THEN THAT ZONING ORDINANCE AND ANIMAL ORDINANCE WOULD BE UPDATED IMMEDIATELY UPON BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IF THEY DECIDE THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MAKING THE CHANGE.
RIGHT. SO, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE BOARD SAID, YES, WE AGREE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE WANT TO MAKE THE CHANGE. WE WOULD HAVE TO THEN WORK WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND BASICALLY PREPARE A RESOLUTION AND TO GO BACK TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WHERE THEY WOULD THEN DIRECT THE PREPARATION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS.
OKAY. AND SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PRETTY SPECIFIC.
WE'D HAVE TO BE TELLING THEM THESE SECTIONS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE ARE THE ONES YOU WOULD NEED TO DIRECT THE STAFF TO PREPARE AMENDMENTS FOR. OKAY. BUT IF WE SELECT OPTION B AND THE BOARD AGREES WITH OPTION B, THEN THE ZONING ORDINANCE WOULD STILL NOT BE UPDATED UNTIL ITS DUE TO BE UPDATED.
WE WOULD NEED 26 TO 27. THAT'S CORRECT. SO THE STAFF WHEN WE PRESENT THIS TO OR ASSUMING THE PLANNING COMMISSION GOES ON WITH THIS OPTION B, THE STAFF WOULD STICK TO THE RECOMMENDATION THAT EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT CHANGING THE PARCEL SIZE TO HAVE THE CHICKENS, WE'D STILL LIKE AUTHORIZATION TO GO BACK AND DO SOME UPDATES IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE JUST TO MAKE IT CLEARER FOR PEOPLE SO THEY CAN GET THE INFORMATION THEY NEED AND NOT MISS HALF OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, BECAUSE IT'S NOT RIGHT BEHIND THE PART THAT SAYS YOU'RE OKAY TO GO.
UNDERSTAND, BASED OFF OF THE MEETINGS THAT YOU HAD WITH THE ANIMAL CONTROL.
RIGHT. I THINK THE SUGGESTION FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD BE RECOMMEND THE BOARD ASSESS WHETHER THEY WOULD LIKE FOR THAT TO BE YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE OBVIOUSLY.
SO IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE PURVIEW OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION. BUT THE NOTION WOULD BE TO ASK THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE INFORMATION YOU'VE OBTAINED DURING THE COURSE OF THE PROCESS, AND YOU WOULD LIKE THEM TO CONSIDER AMENDING THE SECTIONS OF THE COUNTY CODE RELATED TO THE AREA OF AUTHORITY OF THE OF ANIMAL CONTROL, AND SPECIFICALLY TO CONSIDER GIVING THEM AUTHORITY TO ASSIST IN ZONING ORDINANCE ENFORCEMENT SO THAT WHEN THEY GET OUT THERE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A CHOICE. OH, THIS IS ZONING ORDINANCE THING.
WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. THIS IS, YOU KNOW.
AND THAT'S I THINK THE PROBLEM AS I WAS WE WERE IN THE DISCUSSION WITH THEM.
THEY GET OUT ON THE SITE. SOMETIMES IT'S THE ZONING ORDINANCE STUFF AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY JURISDICTION OVER THE ZONING, EVEN THOUGH IT'S THE SAME BIRDS. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES.
AND SO THEY'RE NOT AUTHORIZED. YOU KNOW, THE AUTHORITY FOR ENFORCEMENT DOES NOT FOR ZONING, DOES NOT RESIDE IN THAT SECTION OF THE COUNTY CODE.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMEHOW WRITTEN IN EITHER THE ZONING, PROBABLY INTO THE ZONING ORDINANCE AS BEING AUTHORIZED AS A FOR ENFORCEMENT OF, OF THAT SECTION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE. OKAY.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU MIGHT NORMALLY SEE, BUT THAT'S TRYING TO GET I THINK THE IDEA IS BEING TRYING TO GET ALL OF THESE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS TO BE, YOU KNOW, SO THAT IF SOMEBODY CALLS SOMEBODY OUT FOR CHICKENS, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO SAY, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT THE RIGHT PERSON. IT'S NOT THE RIGHT DEPARTMENT.
CAN I GET SOMEBODY ELSE OUT HERE? RIGHT. AND THEN WHOEVER GOES OUT THERE THEN CAN HAVE ENOUGH AUTHORITY TO TAKE SOME ACTION AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, AS OPPOSED TO COMING BACK AND HAVING TO CALL SOMEBODY ELSE, SAY, YOU GUYS NEED TO GO OUT THERE AND TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. THIS IS YOURS, RIGHT? SO FROM THE COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED THROUGH THE SURVEY AND A LOT OF THE PUBLIC, THE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE THE PUBLIC HAD TIME TO SPEAK.
IT APPEARED THAT THAT LACK OF THEM HAVING JURISDICTION TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE IS AT LEAST ONE PRIMARY ROOT CAUSE AS TO WHY WE WERE HAVING THE ISSUES THAT WE WERE HAVING WITH A LOT OF THE COMPLAINTS. SO IF WE CHOOSE OPTION B DOES THAT MEAN THAT ANIMAL ORDINANCE WOULD NOT GET UPDATED, OR WOULD WE HAVE TO OR WOULD WE HAVE TO SAY, BUT WE STILL WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT ORDINANCE AND PART OF OUR MOTION FOR IT TO STILL BE
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COVERED. RIGHT. SO THE WAY WE'VE PREPARED THAT WE CAN GO BACK TO THE OPTION B, IF YOU LOOK AT THE THIRD POINT OF THAT EVEN IF YOU TAKE OPTION B, WHICH IS DON'T CHANGE THE RULES, THAT THIRD PARTY IS THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND THE BOARD CONSIDER UPDATING THE ANIMALS ORDINANCE TO ALLOW ANIMAL CONTROL TO ENFORCE RULES ABOUT CHICKEN AND POULTRY. SO THAT WOULD BE YOU'D STILL BE TELLING THEM YOU'D LIKE THEM TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE ENFORCEMENT PIECE OF THIS, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE LOT SIZE WHERE THE CHICKENS ARE ALLOWED, YOU STILL WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO TAKE A LOOK AT ENFORCEMENT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ENFORCED ZONING WOULDN'T BE UPDATED UNTIL 26 OR 27. THE ORDINANCE THE ANIMAL ORDINANCE COULD STILL BE UPDATED UNLESS WE NEED TO MODIFY THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.SO THIS WOULD ONLY BE FOR ENFORCEMENT. THIS WOULD NOT BE FOR, YOU KNOW, AND THE OTHER THE OTHER I THINK THE OTHER POINT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT WE STILL WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER GOING BACK, EVEN WITH NO CHANGES TO MODIFY THAT ZONING OR ZONING ORDINANCE SO THAT THOSE STANDARDS CAN GET BROUGHT FORWARD CLOSER TO WHERE THE REQUIREMENTS ARE SO PEOPLE CAN SEE THE FULL PICTURE, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING TO LOOK SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE ORDINANCE TO FIND WHAT THE RULES ARE.
SO THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OPTION A AND OPTION B RELATED TO THE ZONING IS WHETHER IT WOULD HAPPEN RIGHT AWAY THROUGH A RESOLUTION, OR WHETHER IT WOULD NOT HAPPEN UNTIL THE ZONING ORDINANCE. YEAH. WELL, I THINK OPTION A IS ALLOWING THEM ON THE SMALLER LOTS, RIGHT? OPTION B IS TO LEAVE IT AS IS. AND THEN AND THEN WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN CERTAINLY MAKE A DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION THAN WHAT THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING. WE THOUGHT, OKAY, IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE LOT SIZES, WE MAY WANT TO HOLD OFF ON GETTING INTO A LOT OF THESE ZONING ORDINANCE CHANGES. YOU KNOW, THE YEAR BEFORE WE START WORKING ON THE ZONING ORDINANCE, FOR EXAMPLE. BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN CERTAINLY SAY, NO, WE WANT THAT TO BE UP FRONT.
WE THINK THAT OUGHT TO BE ADDRESSED RIGHT AWAY.
SO THAT WAS JUST THE STAFF SAYING, HERE'S AN OPTION.
WELL, THE PLANNING COMMISSION CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SAY, NO, WE WANT YOU TO GO AHEAD AND WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH OPTION B, FOR EXAMPLE. BUT WE WANT THIS THIS UPDATING THESE RULES TO BE DONE IMMEDIATELY OR, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
AND I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY AN APPROPRIATE RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE AS WELL.
WE ALSO ARE JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM THE PRACTITIONER'S USING THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
YOU DIDN'T LOOK TO SEE WHERE YOU DON'T MEET THE STANDARD.
RIGHT. DID ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO? NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS UNDER THE SECTION OF ORDER OF BUSINESS JUST FOR US TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND MOTION.
BUT I KNOW IN SOME CASES WE'VE HAD ORDERS OF BUSINESS.
IF WE HAD CITIZENS UP HERE, WE STILL OPENED TO ALLOW THEM TO SPEAK.
OKAY. JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. SO AT THIS TIME, THEN ARE COMMISSIONERS READY TO MAKE A MOTION OR HOW DO WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR OPTIONS. OKAY.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE. DO YOU WANT TO. YEAH, I'LL GO AHEAD.
SO, MADAM CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE ADOPT RESOLUTION A SECOND.
. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO THAT MOTION CARRIES. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE PUBLIC HEARING.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS]
WE ARE NOW ENTERING THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION FOR TONIGHT'S AGENDA.THE BOARD WILL HOLD ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE MAKING A FINAL DECISION ON THE REQUEST.
FOLLOWING THE STAFF PRESENTATION FOR THE REQUEST, THE APPLICANT WILL BE PROVIDED A BRIEF OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
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DURING EACH PUBLIC HEARING PERIOD, ANYONE WHO WISHES TO PROVIDE COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION ON THE SPECIFIC APPLICATION BEING CONSIDERED MAY APPROACH THE PODIUM OR WAIT THEIR TURN AND KIND OF LINE UP AGAINST THE WALL IF WE HAVE MULTIPLE.AFTER YOU APPROACH THE PODIUM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. THERE IS A TIMER ON THE PODIUM WITH THREE LIGHTS.
THE GREEN WILL TURN ON ONCE YOU'VE ANNOUNCED YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
THEY'LL. THEY'LL START THE THREE MINUTE TIMER.
THE YELLOW LIGHT IS GIVING YOU A FINAL 32ND WARNING.
SO TONIGHT, WE JUST HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING AND THAT'S FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTION SC 2412.
YES. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. TONIGHT, I WILL BE PRESENTING SPECIAL EXCEPTION SC 2412.
THIS IS FOR STEPPING STONES FAMILY LEARNING CENTER AND JUST THE DESCRIPTION OF THE APPLICATION.
IT'S A REQUEST TO PERMIT A PRIVATE SCHOOL AND COMMERCIAL CHILDCARE CENTER WITHIN A B1 GENERAL BUSINESS ZONING DISTRICT PURSUANT TO PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE, SECTION 9332.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 3.17 ACRES IN SIZE AND LOCATED AT 4433 CROSSINGS BOULEVARD AND IS IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP NUMBER 120 0800003L.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INDICATES THE PROPERTY IS PLANNED FOR COMMERCIAL USES.
THE APPLICANT ARE VICKI HILL AND YVONNE LUSTER AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS, ANDERSON JAMES E, LLC. HERE WE CAN SEE THE LOCATION MAP. IT'S QUITE ZOOMED OUT, BUT THAT LITTLE BLUE HIGHLIGHTED AREA WHERE MY CLICKER IS ON IS THE PARCEL. IT'S LOCATED ON CROSSINGS BOULEVARD, RIGHT BY THE INTERSECTION OF OAKLAWN AND 295.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE THAT THOSE GRAY LINES, IT'S RIGHT NEAR FORT GREGG ADAMS AS WELL.
HERE'S A LITTLE CLOSER SATELLITE VIEW SHOWING THE EXISTING STRIP BUILDING THAT IT'S IN.
AND HERE IS THE ZONING MAP, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IT'S ZONED B1 GENERAL BUSINESS AND SURROUNDING ZONING IS MOSTLY B1, ALSO SOME R2.
THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH INDICATES MOST OF THIS AREA IS PLANNED FOR COMMERCIAL USES. AGAIN, JUST TO SUMMARIZE THE ACTIVITIES FOR THIS PROPOSAL ARE REALLY BROKEN DOWN INTO FOUR CATEGORIES OF ACTIVITIES, TWO OF WHICH ARE SPECIAL EXCEPTION LAND USES.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION IS FOR.
THAT'S THE PRIVATE SCHOOL PURSUANT TO SECTION 93-9332.
AND THAT'S FOR THE PRE-KINDERGARTEN AND KINDERGARTEN CLASSROOMS. AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL CHILDCARE CENTER IS ALSO PERMITTED BY SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
THAT'S PURSUANT TO SECTION 939328 FOR AFTER SCHOOL CARE AND SUMMER CAMPS.
THE OTHER PLANNED ACTIVITIES, WHICH ARE JUST PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN B1 THAT THAT THE APPLICANT WANTS TO DO ARE INSTRUCTIONAL AND OR TRAINING FACILITIES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO DANCING SCHOOLS AND DANCING STUDIOS.
AND THAT'S THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE PURSUANT TO SECTION 93-9242.
AND THAT'S FOR EXTRACURRICULAR DANCE AND EXERCISE CLASSES.
AND THEN ALSO COMMUNITY CENTER. PURSUANT TO SECTION 93-9230.
AND THAT'S FOR PARENT AND FAMILY RESOURCE SESSIONS.
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THESE OTHER TWO ARE JUST OTHER ACTIVITIES THEY PLAN TO DO, WHICH ARE PERMITTED BY.RIGHT. JUST SOME KEY DETAILS. THEY PLAN TO HAVE A STAFF OF 8 TO 10 PEOPLE A STUDENT BODY OF 50 TO 55 STUDENTS IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, A FENCED AND COVERED OUTDOOR PLAY AREA AND EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES AND MEETINGS ARE TO OCCUR NO LATER THAN 7 P.M.
HERE YOU CAN SEE THE SITE LAYOUT. THE ORANGE HIGHLIGHTED IS THE IS THE UNIT.
I KNOW IT HAS. IT APPEARS TO HAVE TWO ADDRESSES, BUT THAT IS NOW JUST ONE UNIT.
AND THE BLUE RECTANGLE IN THE REAR REPRESENTS THE FENCED PLAY AREA WHICH THEY PROPOSE.
SO DURING STAFF'S REVIEW OF THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION, WE FOUND THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CONSISTENT WITH SURROUNDING ZONING, COMPATIBLE WITH CURRENT SURROUNDING LAND USES, AND THE ANTICIPATED OFF SITE IMPACTS ARE ADDITIONAL TRAFFICS. WE HAVE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS PERTAINING TO THE DEFINITION OF PRIVATE SCHOOL, THE PERMITTED ACCESSORY USES, AND THE MAXIMUM ENROLLMENT, AS WELL AS JUST THE STANDARD CONDITIONS.
SO JUST SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED.
VDOT HAD NO OBJECTION BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY COMMERCIAL ENTRANCES TO THE BUILDING.
AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS LIKE THIS GENERATE A SIMILAR VOLUME OF CLIENTELE AND VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.
UTILITIES JUST POINTED OUT THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO ESTABLISH A WATER ACCOUNT WITH VIRGINIA AMERICAN WATER AND A SEWER ACCOUNT WITH THE COUNTY'S UTILITIES DEPARTMENT. FIRE AND EMS JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY FOLLOW SAFETY CODES FOR GREG ADAMS. HAD NO OBJECTION TO THE PROPOSAL.
THEY JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT THERE COULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC.
WE RECEIVED NO PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE HEARING OR THE STAFF REPORT.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
AS A RESULT OF THE WORK SESSION ON MONDAY, WE TALKED ABOUT ADDING A CONDITION, AND THAT'S NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS BOLDED. I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALL TRYING TO FIT ALL THE CONDITIONS ON THE SCREEN, BUT I WILL READ THEM. ONE BEING THE FOLLOWING SPECIAL EXCEPTION USES ARE PERMITTED.
PRIVATE SCHOOL DEFINED AS A NONPUBLIC SCHOOL FOR K THROUGH 12 AGED CHILDREN, AND COMMERCIAL CHILDCARE CENTER AS DEFINED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. NUMBER TWO IS THE FOLLOWING ACTIVITIES SHALL BE PERMITTED AS ACCESSORY USES, AS LONG AS AT LEAST ONE OF THE PRIMARY SPECIAL EXCEPTION USES IS PRESENT, AND THAT IS SUMMER CAMPS FOR SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN.
NUMBER THREE, BEING MAXIMUM ENROLLMENT SHALL NOT EXCEED 55 STUDENTS AT ONE TIME.
AND NUMBER FOUR IS ANY OUTDOOR PLAY AREA SHALL BE DESIGNED TO PROTECT CHILDREN FROM HAZARDS.
A FOUR FOOT FENCE OR SIMILAR STURDY PHYSICAL BARRIER DESIGNED TO PROTECT THE PLAY AREA FROM ANY ADJACENT VEHICULAR, PARKING OR TRAFFIC AREAS, SHALL BE ERECTED AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PLAY AREA AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO THIS REQUIREMENT MAY BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DIRECTOR IF NECESSARY, IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH ANY STATE OR LOCAL CODE REQUIREMENTS, SUCH AS THE BUILDING CODE OR STATE LICENSING REQUIREMENT.
AND FINALLY, THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION MAY BE REVOKED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR FAILURE BY THE PROPERTY OWNER OR TENANT TO COMPLY WITH ANY OF THE LISTED CONDITIONS OR ANY PROVISION OF FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL REGULATIONS.
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AND THEN THIS IS JUST A TABLE BREAKING DOWN THE CRITERIA AND STAFF'S OPINION FOR WHY APPROVAL WAS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.JUST SHOWING THAT WE FOUND IT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SURROUNDING ZONING DISTRICTS AND, AND SURROUNDING CURRENT LAND USES, AND THAT THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DEFINITION OF SPECIAL EXCEPTION IF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS ARE IMPOSED, AND WHETHER ALL CONCERNS HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED IS TO BE DETERMINED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
OKAY. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK OR SHARE ANYTHING? YOU DON'T HAVE TO. IT'S JUST AN OPTION TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF.
REALLY, IT'S KIND OF RELATED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND LAST MONTH'S EXCEPTION THAT WE HAD.
THIS IS TWO MONTHS IN A ROW WHERE WE HAVE AN EXCEPTION WHERE IT TICKS THE BOXES FOR.
IS THIS ALSO THE SAME CASE WHERE THE ONLY REASON IT REQUIRES AN EXCEPTION IS BECAUSE IT'S AN EDUCATIONAL SCHOOL, AND SCHOOLS ARE NORMALLY IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN THE COUNTY? OR IS THERE A DIFFERENT REASON THAT'S CAUSING THIS TO NEED AN EXCEPTION? THAT'S ACCURATE. SCHOOLS ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT, MOSTLY IN RESIDENTIAL ZONES AND IN B1 IT'S PERMITTED BY SPECIAL EXCEPTION. JUST SINCE WE'RE NOW ALSO IN THE PORT OPTION AND AREAS NOW OF UPDATING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
COULD WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT STAFF CONSIDER THIS AS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW? IS THERE IS IT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR WHERE WOULD WE NEED TO MAKE SOME TYPE OF AN AMENDMENT TO KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO CONCLUDE THAT THESE ARE ALLOWED IN BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS, TO AVOID NUMEROUS EXCEPTIONS? GOOD EVENING ONCE AGAIN. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS I'LL MENTION.
APRIL THE 23RD. I WAS GOING TO GET TO THIS LATER.
I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT TO YOU. IT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCE THE WAY IT WAS. YOU KNOW, WHAT SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS ARE BEFORE THEY'RE REALLY ALLOWED TO SAY THAT USE, IF YOU MITIGATE ANY IMPACTS, COULD BE AN APPROPRIATE USE IN THAT DISTRICT.
AND SO, IT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO HAVE AS A BY RIGHT.
SOME OF THOSE, IT MAY NOT BE NORMALLY ATTACHED TO A USE.
ONE OF THE ISSUES THE COUNTY HAS, WE'LL GO FROM COMP PLAN.
I THINK THAT CAME UP AS THE OTHER NIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE AN INSTITUTIONAL CATEGORY.
YOU KNOW, INSTITUTIONS QUITE OFTEN ARE IN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS OR IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
THEY REALLY WILL VARY, SAY A CHURCH OR A HOSPITAL OR, YOU KNOW, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE CAREFULLY. AND WHEN YOU'RE PLACING THEM INTO YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE, LIKE WHETHER THAT IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT HAS HAD SUCH LIMITED IMPACT ON WHAT'S AROUND IT THAT IT SHOULD BE ALLOWED BY.
RIGHT. LIKE IT'S NOT A BAD NEIGHBOR, OR IF IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO, SOMETHING TO RESTRICT, IT WOULD BE HOURS OF OPERATION CAPACITY, YOU KNOW, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENS IN THE COUNTY, JUST WITH THE STRUCTURE OF THE COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, YOU ONLY HAVE ONE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT. YOU KNOW, MOST LOCALITIES HAVE MULTIPLE.
YOU KNOW, LIKE AB1 IS MORE NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE AND THEN YOU GET MORE OF AB2.
IT'S MORE REGIONAL SCALE, LIKE A SHOPPING CENTER OR THINGS THAT YOU ONLY HAVE ONE.
SO YOU TEND TO HAVE MORE THINGS NEEDING SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS BECAUSE THEY CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM IN SOMEONE'S BACKYARD TO, YOU KNOW, IN THE MIDDLE OF A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, LIKE THIS PROPERTY.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, THEY'RE PRETTY COMMON FOR DAYCARE IN PARTICULAR TO PUT MITIGATING CONDITIONS IN THERE, BECAUSE JUST TO GET A LOT OF OTHER CONCERNS ABOUT THE SAFETY OF DROP OFF.
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SO WHEN YOU LOOK IN THE IN LIKE A STRIP SHOPPING CENTER, WHAT'S AROUND WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING THIS DAYCARE AND, AND OBVIOUSLY THE DEMAND FOR DAYCARE IN MOST PLACES YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE CHILDCARE CENTERS AND SHOPPING CENTERS.SO, IT'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, A SINGLE ANSWER AS TO WHY THIS REQUIRES A SPECIAL EXCEPTION BEYOND THE FACT THAT WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS PUT TOGETHER, THERE WERE USES THAT WERE LOOKED AT, THAT THOUGHT THEY SHOULD TAKE SOME ADDITIONAL SCRUTINY AND THE POTENTIAL FOR ADDING MITIGATING CONDITIONS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT'S AROUND THEM. OKAY. HOPE THAT HELPS.
YEAH. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU, I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD QUESTION THAT CAME UP. IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I MEAN, IT'S LIKE WHAT? THIS LOOKS LIKE A SIMILAR CASE. THAT'S WHY I JUST TELL THE PLANNING COMMISSION, SINCE YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE WORKING ON THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN WHEN YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE CONSULTANTS AND THEY'RE TALKING LAND USE. AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT LIKE YOU WANT YOUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE PRECISE FOR YOU RIGHT NOW, YOU JUST HAVE SOME REALLY LARGE AREAS. THIS IS COMMERCIAL.
THIS IS ALL KINDS OF RESIDENTIAL. YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALL KINDS OF INDUSTRIAL, YOU KNOW.
SO, YOU MAY WANT YOUR MAP TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE REFINED.
AND THEN THAT WILL THEN BE CARRIED OVER. WHEN YOU REDO THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO HAVE YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE BE DESIGNED TO IMPLEMENT, SORT OF THE WAY THE LAND USES ARE BEING PROPOSED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO THEY WORK AS COMPANION PIECES. SO, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S A REAL PROBLEM FOR US WHEN YOU LOOK AT A USE AND IT DOES NOT HAVE A DEFINITION, WE HAVE TO DEFINE IT SO WE CAN DECIDE HOW THE ZONING ORDINANCE APPLIES.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO GET THE ZONING ORDINANCE KIND OF UP TO SPEED.
SO YOU CAN TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE CONCERNS YOU HAVE IN THE IN THE COMP PLAN SO THAT THEY GET PICKED UP UNDER THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR IMPLEMENTING THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMP PLAN. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS FOR STAFF.
ALL RIGHT. SO, AT THIS TIME, I WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM.
FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTION SC 2412. AT THIS TIME, IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK OR ADDRESS THE COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE ADDRESS THE PODIUM AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AS YOU COME TO THE PODIUM.
GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SUSAN MCALLISTER, AND OUR ADDRESS IS 4002 JEFFERSON PARK ROAD.
OUR PROPERTY BUTTS RIGHT UP AGAINST THIS PROPERTY.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S. IT WILL BE CONNECTED WITH DESTINATION CHURCH OR.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S PRIVATE, YOU KNOW, IN SEPARATE FROM DESTINATION CHURCH.
I KNOW THERE'S ALREADY BEEN A SPECIAL EXEMPTION MADE FOR DESTINATION.
REGARDING A PRESCHOOL AND A DAYCARE. WE WERE WONDERING ABOUT OUR PRIVACY BECAUSE WE ARE SECLUDED BACK THERE. AND WILL THERE BE SOME KIND OF PRIVACY FENCE BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY AND THAT PROPERTY? I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE OUTDOOR SPACE FOR THE CHILDREN.
AND IT'S A REAL CONCERN. NOISE LEVELS. WE DO LIKE OUR PRIVACY.
AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE ISSUES WITH DESTINATION CHURCH AND THEIR ACTIVITIES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO QUIT AT A CERTAIN TIME, AND THEY GO WELL BEYOND THAT TIME.
AND IT INTERRUPTS OUR, YOU KNOW, HAVING CALM AND QUIET IN SOME RESTFUL PLACE TO COME. YOU KNOW, HAVE, HAVE AT OUR HOUSE.
SO WE WERE JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE CAPACITY.
THE OUTDOOR PLAY SPACE AND THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT GOES BACK AND FORTH.
SO THOSE ARE SOME OF OUR CONCERNS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. WAS THERE ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. OKAY. SEEING NONE OTHER, I'LL CLOSE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THE PUBLIC HEARING PERIOD.
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AND WE DID ADD SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL EXCEPTIONS, INCLUDING FENCED IN AREAS AND MORE SECURITY THAT THE PROPERTY, THE PLANNERS OR THE OF THE BUSINESS DID AGREE TO THAT.WE ADDED AS CONDITIONS THAT WILL BE REQUIRED OF THAT.
AND WE ACTUALLY WENT OUT AND SENT PICTURES TO ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS OF PICTURES OF THE PHOTOS OF, YOU KNOW, THE ADVANTAGE OF THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING IS IT'S NOTCHED BACK THREE TIMES BY THE TIME IT GETS BACK TO THAT BUILDING.
SO, WHERE THE ACTUAL FLOW OF TRAFFIC IS OR WHERE THE DMV DOES THE MOTORCYCLE TESTING AND EVERYTHING IS SIGNIFICANTLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE 100 YARDS PLUS OUT OF THAT, THAT AREA OR THAT SPACE.
THIS IS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE, DIFFERENT BUSINESS.
THEY ARE NOT AFFILIATED WITH DESTINATION CHURCH, IF I'M CORRECT, AM I CORRECT? THEY ARE NOT. YEAH. THERE IS NO AFFILIATION. THIS IS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE, DIFFERENT BUSINESS.
AT THIS TIME, THEN DO WE HAVE TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMISSIONERS? IF WE HAVE A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
SC 2412 SPECIAL EXEMPTION AS STAFF RECOMMENDED.
. OKAY. THAT MOTION HAS CARRIED. THAT WAS THE ONLY PUBLIC HEARING WE HAD FOR THIS EVENING.
SO NEXT, WE'LL MOVE INTO OUR COMMUNICATIONS PORTION OF THE MEETING.
[COMMUNICATIONS]
I ASSUME, BOB, YOU'RE GOING TO BE PRESENTING THAT.YOU DO HAVE THE RESULTS OF THE BOARD'S ACTION ON THE REZONING FOR PERRIN'S LANDING.
WHICH WAS APPROVED BY THE BY THE BOARD. AFTER THE APPLICANT RELOCATED THAT SECONDARY ROAD AWAY FROM BRICKHOUSE LANDING. THAT WAS THE CHANGE THERE. JUST SO YOU KIND OF FOLLOW THE PATH OF WHAT HAPPENED.
SO THEY HAD TO. REDESIGN THAT PORTION OF THEIR CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
MODIFYING THEIR PROFFER. YOU COULDN'T JUST TAKE THAT THROUGH AS BEING THE SAME CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
I'M JUST GOING TO MENTION, AS I DID EARLIER, CONFERENCE OF PLAN UPDATE.
AND IF THE PLANNERS WOULD LIKE US TO GIVE, YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO GIVE YOU THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION PRESENTATION, LET ME KNOW. I'LL BE GLAD TO ADD IT TO ONE OF YOUR WORK SESSIONS.
AND WE KIND OF WALK THROUGH THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION BECAUSE I DO THINK THERE'S SOME CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS AND HOW IT'S HOW IT'S STRUCTURED INSIDE YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE. I'D BE GLAD TO DO THAT. AND THEN THE LAST THING YOU KNOW, FROM THE WORK SESSION, WE DISCUSSED THE UPDATING OF YOUR BYLAWS. SO, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE GETTING THOSE BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER. THERE'S, JUST AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, THERE'S JUST A NUMBER OF THINGS IN YOUR BYLAWS THAT THAT NEED TO BE UPDATED.
YOU DID DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, THE CONCEPT OF MOVING OFF OF THE MONDAY.
MONDAY NIGHT WORK SESSION, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THAT'S REALLY YOUR CHOICE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU WANT TO DO IT OR NOT. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE OPTION WAS PRESENTED TO YOU FROM THE CONVERSATION FROM THE BOARD WHEN THEY WERE DISCUSSING WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY THE ISSUES RELATED TO ATTENDANCE AND PLANNING COMMISSIONER PAY THAT THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THAT MONDAY NIGHT WORK SESSION. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY YOUR CHOICE. IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WERE TO DECIDE IT WANTED TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU JUST NEED TO ADVISE US OF THAT.
AND SO, THE BYLAWS WILL CONTINUE TO INCORPORATE HAVING MEETINGS AS YOU CURRENTLY DO.
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AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON THAT. AND WE DISCUSSED THAT ON MONDAY NIGHT. DOES THAT NEED TO BE A FORMAL REQUEST.IT WILL BE I MEAN, YEAH, WE JUST WERE TRYING TO GET SORT OF AN IDEA SO WE CAN WORK ON THE BYLAWS. WE CAN COME BACK AND HAVE THAT STRUCTURED AS PART OF THE BYLAWS, WHICH ARE MEETING SCHEDULE AS WELL. SO, YOU HAVE TO ADOPT YOUR MEETING SCHEDULE. SO, WHAT THE CONCEPT WAS WE WERE GOING TO COME BACK AT YOUR NEXT MEETING IN YOUR WORK SESSION AGAIN AND DISCUSS MODIFYING YOUR MEETING SCHEDULE.
AND SO, YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE AN ADOPTED SCHEDULE YOU'RE OPERATING IN RIGHT NOW.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE ANYTHING, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO CHANGE THAT SOONER THAN LATER, YOU'D NEED TO, YOU KNOW, MODIFY YOUR MEETING SCHEDULE FOR 2025 AND THEN ADOPT THAT FORMALLY.
SO AS OF RIGHT NOW FOR NEXT MONTH, WE WILL STILL HAVE A WORK SESSION.
YES, YOU WILL MONDAY UNTIL SOMETHING CHANGES. YOU STILL HAVE MONDAY AND THURSDAY MEETINGS.
THAT HAS NOT CHANGED OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OKAY. DO WE HAVE MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT MOVED MOTION TO ADJOURN SECOND.
. MEETING ADJOURNED. MEETING ADJOURNED. GOOD EVENING,
EVERYBODY.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.