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GOOD EVENING. TODAY IS JUNE THE 11TH.
WELCOME TO OUR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING.
I'LL TURN IT OVER FIRST TO OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, MRS. ERARD. OKAY.
WILL THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. WEBB.
MR. WEBB IS ON THE PHONE LINE AND WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE ELECTRONICALLY.
MR. WEBB, WOULD YOU PLEASE STATE THE REASON THAT YOU'RE ASKING TO PARTICIPATE ELECTRONICALLY AND ALSO STATE YOUR LOCATION? I'M CURRENTLY ON VACATION WITH MY FAMILY.
GROVER, NORTH CAROLINA, ON THE BEACH.
SO IT APPEARS THAT MR. WEBB MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF OUR POLICY.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CALL FOR A MOTION, THAT WOULD BE AN ORDER.
OKAY. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ALLOW MR. WEBB TO ATTEND THE MEETING ELECTRONICALLY.
IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED.
MRS. KNOTT. WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? OKAY. OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS FOR TONIGHT IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO A QUICK CLOSED SESSION JUST TO
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DISCUSS A COUPLE OF MATTERS.SO AT THIS TIME I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.
SO MOVED. SECOND, AND IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY THAT MOTION IS TO GO IN PURSUANT TO VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 2.2-3711(A)(1) ONE FOR THE DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION OF APPOINTMENTS AS FOLLOWS PETERSBURG AREA REGIONAL TOURISM CORPORATION, BRIGHTPOINT COMMUNITY COLLEGE ADVISORY BOARD, RECREATION ADVISORY COMMISSION, AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, AND PURSUANT TO VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 2.2-3711(A)(1) FOR THE DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF THE SALARIES OF THREE SPECIFIC EMPLOYEES OF THE BOARD.
OKAY. MISS KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL OR DID WE DO THAT ALREADY? BOARD OF ZONING.
I'M SORRY? ALSO TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.
ALL RIGHT, MISS KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
IS THERE A MOTION TO RECONVENE IN OPEN SESSION AND CERTIFY THAT ONLY THE MATTERS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED MEETING WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED OR CONSIDERED? SO MOVED.
OKAY, SO WE WERE IN CLOSED SESSION.
WE'VE COME OUT OF CLOSED SESSION AND CERTIFIED THAT CLOSED SESSION.
SO WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO THE BUSINESS PART OF OUR AGENDA.
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AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO ASK MRS. WAYMACK IF SHE WOULD DO THE BOARD'S INVOCATION, AND THEN THAT'LL BE FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.THAT'LL BE DONE BY MISS CALLAHAN.
DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR BLESSINGS.
OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTRY HAVE BEEN PUMMELED BY STORMS AND TORNADOES, BUT YOU HAVE SPARED US.
WE ASK YOU TO BE WITH THOSE WHO HAVE LOST LOVED ONES, COMFORT THEM.
WE ASK YOU TO BE WITH THOSE SICK IN SPIRIT AND BODY.
WE ASK THAT YOU BE WITH THIS BOARD AS WE STRIVE TO DO WHAT IS BEST FOR YOUR COUNTY.
AMEN. I'D ASK MISS CALLAHAN TO COME UP.
IF YOU WOULD COME UP, PLEASE, AND LEAD US IN OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
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OKAY.THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN COME FORWARD, BRING ANYTHING TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BOARD.
THE ONLY THING THAT WE ASK YOU NOT TO DISCUSS OR BRING UP IS ANYTHING THAT IS ON THE AGENDA FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT, SO YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. WE ASK YOU TO COME UP AND GIVE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND THEN ONCE YOU START SPEAKING, THAT'S WHEN THE TIMER WILL WILL START.
MRS. KNOTT. IS THERE ANYONE THAT HAS REGISTERED WITH YOU TO SPEAK TONIGHT? YES, SIR. I HAVE A MR. CLARENCE JACKSON.
GOOD EVENING, BOARD. GOOD EVENING.
I RESIDE AT 9013 POLE RUN ROAD, JACKSON POND IF YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
IT WAS GONE, AND NOW IT'S RAISED ITS UGLY HEAD AGAIN.
TO ME, I LIVE ON THE BLACKWATER SWAMP AS A SACRED PLACE.
THE INDIANS BACK IN THE 1800S THAT WAS A WAY OF TRAVEL ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE ALBEMARLE SOUND.
INDIANS LIVED, HUNTED, FISHED AT BLACKWATER SWAMP, AND WHAT WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO TO IT, I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT IT'S GOING TO DESTROY IT, BUT IT WILL CHANGE IT, AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU ALL HAVE TO REALIZE.
IT'S GOING TO CHANGE IT, AND IT'S GOING TO CHANGE IT ALL THE WAY DOWN THE LINE.
WE'RE CLOSE TO THE HEAD OF IT.
WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF COUNTIES BELOW US THAT IT'S GOING TO.
IF WE DUMP THE EFFLUENT DOWN, IT'S GOING DOWNSTREAM.
EVENTUALLY IF WE GOT ENOUGH WATER TO PUSH IT DOWN.
AT TIMES, THE BLACKWATER SWAMP IS DRY.
ON MY SIDE, I'VE WALKED A WHOLE PROPERTY LINE.
THAT SWAMP WALK THE BOTTOM OF THAT CHANNEL THE WHOLE WAY THROUGH THERE.
YOU MIGHT HIT A MUD PUDDLE EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.
SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DUMP EFFLUENT INTO THAT? AND AT TIMES IT'S COUPLE 300 YARDS UP ON ME.
SO IF IT'S UP ON ME, IT'S A FLOODPLAIN.
YOU CAN'T RAISE THE WATER ON ME ANY FURTHER.
SO IF YOU DUMP IT, YOU'RE RAISING IT UP.
YOU'RE IN VIOLATION RAISING IT UP.
YOU ALL NEED TO PUT THIS THING TO BED.
I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH GRANT MONEY, HOW MUCH GRANT MONEY YOU GET.
THIS NEEDS TO BE PUT TO BED TONIGHT.
I'VE BEEN TOLD IT WOULDN'T BE A VOTE ON IT TONIGHT.
IT'S A VOTE ON IT TO ACCEPT IT, AND IF YOU ALL AGREE TO WHAT'S BEFORE YOU, IF WE DON'T GO TO HOPEWELL WITH IT, IT'LL BE A PLAN ON THE BLACKWATER SWAMP.
YOU NEED TO PUT IT TO BED TONIGHT.
THANK YOU SIR. MRS. KNOTT. MR. ROLAND BROCKWELL.
ROLAND BROCKWELL, 8501 POLE RUN ROAD, DISPUTANTA, VIRGINIA.
OUR FAMILY'S OWNED OUR FARM FOR OVER 140 YEARS.
IT'S BEEN IN THE BROCKWELL NAME.
IT'S ON THE BLACKWATER SWAMP FROM PRINCE GEORGE DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO CLARENCE JACKSON'S PROPERTY.
WE HAVE 300 ACRES ON THE SWAMP.
YOU COULD TAKE HIP BOOTS AND WALK ACROSS IT ANYWHERE YOU WANTED TO JUST ABOUT.
AT THE MOST, IT'S DEEP, IT IS UP TO YOUR WAIST.
THAT'S WHY IT IS CALLED A SWAMP AND NOT A RIVER.
RIGHT NOW. WE HAVEN'T HAD RAIN FOR, BUT JUST A SPRINKLE FOR ABOUT 3 OR 4 WEEKS.
THE WATER'S NOT MOVING, IT JUST SITS STILL.
IT'S NOT IF YOU START PUMPING MILLIONS OF GALLONS IN IT EVERY DAY, IT'S GOING TO FLOW EVERY DAY.
IT HAS NO CHOICE, AND THAT'S NOT NATURAL.
THAT'S NOT THE WAY THE SWAMP WAS MADE, AND YOU SHOULDN'T BE CHANGING A WATERWAY.
IT'S NOT MADE FOR THE VOLUME OF WATER YOU ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT PUMPING INTO IT.
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I DON'T KNOW. HAS ANYBODY UP HERE EVER BEEN TO THE SWAMP? OKAY, WELL THAT'S GOOD.I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU WENT OR HOW YOU WENT, BUT I WANT TO SAY ONE THING.
ANYBODY HERE EVER HEARD OF ANYBODY KAYAKING OR CANOEING OR ANYTHING FROM PRINCE GEORGE DRIVE DOWN TO CENTENNIAL ROAD? YOU CAN'T.
YOU CAN'T GET IN A BOAT, A KAYAK, ANYTHING.
I DON'T CARE HOW SMALL IT IS AND YOU CAN'T GET FROM ONE ROAD TO THE OTHER.
YOU CAN'T GET FROM MY PROPERTY TO MR. JACKSON'S PROPERTY.
IT'S BEAVER DAMS ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH THERE, AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOSING TIMBER.
THE WATER IN THAT SWAMP GOES IN THE GROUND AND FLOWS DOWN THE TO NORTH CAROLINA.
I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE IT CAN'T FLOW.
IT'S TOO MANY DAMS. IT'S PROBABLY 100 BEAVER DAMS FROM ONE END TO HINES ROAD.
I DON'T HAVE A CLUE, BUT THE BLACKWATER SWAMP IS NO PLACE TO PUT A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
THE GOOD LORD DIDN'T MAKE IT THAT WAY.
RICHARD TETTERTON, 9750 BLACKWATER FARM LANE, DISPUTANTA.
THEY KIND OF COVERED A LOT OF THINGS HERE, BUT I'M GOING TO READ THIS TO YOU.
I GOOGLED THE BLACKWATER RIVER AND IT CAME UP BLACKWATER RIVERS.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ALGAE BLOOMS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FISH KILLS.
WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH TIMBER KILLS.
THE VALUE OF THAT TIMBER MEANS SOMETHING TO THE PEOPLE THAT OWN IT, AND IT CAN BE FORESTED.
MY QUESTION IS, IS IT THE 800 YEAR OLD TUPELOS OR THE 400 YEAR OLD CYPRESS, OR THE WETLANDS THAT YOU MOST WANT TO DESTROY WITH SUCH A DUMB IDEA? WHAT'S WORSE IS YOU VOTED IT DOWN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND THEN WE VOTED ON A $30 MILLION PROJECT TO PUMP THIS THING DOWN TO HOPEWELL AND NOW WE'RE TOLD THAT WE DON'T HAVE CAPACITY IN HOPEWELL, AND I WANT TO KNOW WHO ON STAFF IN HOPEWELL OR WHO ON STAFF IN PRINCE GEORGE DROPPED THE BALL. WHY DID IT TAKE US THIS LONG TO BE TOLD THAT THERE MAY BE A PROBLEM WITH CAPACITY.
SOMEBODY'S NOT DOING THEIR JOB, BUT THEY'RE GETTING PAID EVERY FRIDAY AND THAT'S A PROBLEM.
I'M GOING TO READ SOMETHING TO YOU.
I WAS ASKED TO DO THIS BECAUSE HE HAS HIS OWN MEETING TONIGHT.
I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF MEETING THE MAYOR OF HOPEWELL, JONNY PARTON.
GOOD EVENING. I WANT TO FIRST APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING IN PERSON TO DELIVER THESE REMARKS.
UNFORTUNATELY, OUR BOARD AND COUNCIL MEETINGS FALL ON THE SAME DAY.
I STILL HAVEN'T PERFECTED THE ART OF BEING IN TWO PLACES AT ONE TIME.
HOWEVER, I BELIEVE THERE IS A BETTER WAY TO DO THIS.
HOPEWELL WATER RENEWAL IS A SIZABLE PLANT THAT HAS CAPACITY FOR ADDITIONAL WASTEWATER FLOW.
HOPEWELL AMERICAN WATER, COMPANY ADVANSIX, WESTROCK, ASHLAND.
I THINK PARTNERING WITH HWR WOULD BE A BETTER OPTION.
YOU WOULD BE PART OF HOPEWELL'S PERMITS.
OUR WASTEWATER PLANT HAS HAD MANY AMENDMENTS AND REVISIONS MADE TO FACILITY AGREEMENT OVER 50 YEARS.
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I WOULD RECOMMEND BOTH HOPEWELL AND PG ADMINISTRATION TO FULLY RESEARCH THE POSSIBILITY.IF PRINCE GEORGE IS WILLING TO STUDY THIS ISSUE, I AM WILLING TO BRING IT UP AT OUR NEXT HWR MEETING MR. TETTERTON. YES, SIR.
YOUR TIME IS UP, SIR. I'LL FINISH RIGHT HERE.
I SINCERELY APPRECIATE YOU ALLOWING THESE COMMENTS TO BE READ.
OF COURSE, IF ANY OF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, DON'T HESITATE.
JOHNNY PARDON, MAYOR OF HOPEWELL.
I'M GOING TO FINISH ON ONE THING.
HOW MUCH SEWER AND WATER CAN WE BUILD FOR 93, $95 MILLION.
MR. TETTERTON, YOUR TIME IS UP, SIR.
FOLKS, WHEN YOU DO COME UP AND GIVE YOUR COMMENTS, WE DO NOT TYPICALLY RESPOND BACK.
THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE A BACK AND FORTH.
YOU ASK US QUESTIONS, WE ANSWER BACK.
THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE BRINGING SOMETHING TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BOARD.
MRS KNOTT, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT HAS SIGNED UP BEFORE WE GO TO THE OPEN FLOOR? YES, SIR, MR. VICE CHAIRMAN.
THE LAST PERSON I HAVE SIGNED UP IS JEAN SHANKS.
GOOD EVENING, JEAN SHANKS, 8673 BLACKWATER FARM LANE, DISPUTANTA.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS THE REAL DRIVING FORCE OF THIS BOARD TO CONSTRUCT A HUNDRED PLUS MILLION DOLLAR WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY WITH NO REGARD TO OVERWHELMING OPPOSITION FROM THE CITIZENS OF PRINCE GEORGE, WHICH WE ELECTED YOU GUYS TO REPRESENT OUR VOICE.
WHAT IS THE INFLUENT TO THIS FACILITY? IS IT FOR RESIDENTIAL WASTEWATER? IS IT FOR INDUSTRIAL WASTEWATER OR IS IT FOR LANDFILL LEACHATE OR ALL OF THE ABOVE? QUICK NOTE ON LANDFILL LEACHATE.
WHAT TYPE OF EFFLUENT QUALITY IS THIS FACILITY GOING TO DISCHARGE? WHAT IS THE PLAN? TO BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCEPT SEWAGE INTO THIS FACILITY? THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO KNOW.
IF YOU ALL ARE GOING TO VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT, WE HAVE NO ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS.
THE CITIZENS NOT ONLY OF PRINCE GEORGE, BUT THE COUNTIES DOWNSTREAM DESERVE AND DEMAND THESE ANSWERS AS WELL, BUT OF COURSE, YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE THIS DATA, BECAUSE THAT WOULD PROBABLY BLOW THIS WHOLE THING UP.
PRINCE GEORGE AND ALL OF THE COUNTIES DOWN FOR 60 ARE KNOWN TO HAVE A HIGH WATER TABLE.
SIDEBAR, THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH REQUIRES CERTAIN DISTANCE, STAND OFF FROM EFFLUENT GOING INTO THE WATER TABLE, AND CERTAIN STAND OFF TO WATERWAYS TO PROTECT THE GROUNDWATER FROM THE CONTAMINANTS THAT ARE COMING JUST FROM RESIDENTIAL STRENGTH.
THE BLACKWATER SWAMP IS NOT A YEAR ROUND, FLOWING BODY OF WATER, AS YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD.
THESE TWO FACTS WILL MOST CERTAINLY CAUSE EFFLUENT TO LAY STAGNANT THROUGHOUT PARTS OF THE YEAR.
ON THE SURFACE, WHERE THIS EFFLUENT WILL BLEED INTO THE WATER TABLE AFFECTING WELL WATER.
DOES THIS BOARD HAVE A CONTINGENCY PLAN FOR WHEN THIS HAPPENS? NOT IF, BUT WHEN IT HAPPENS.
YOU ALL MAY HAVE HEARD OF FLINT, MICHIGAN AND CAMP LEJEUNE CLASS ACTION.
I ENCOURAGE YOU TO VOTE NO ON THE WASTEWATER FACILITY.
MISS KNOTT, DO YOU HAVE NO ONE ELSE SIGNED UP? NO, SIR. OKAY.
AT THIS TIME, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK BEFORE THIS BOARD? PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
GOOD EVENING BOARD. MY NAME IS JUSTIN NOBILIN, 8724 CENTENNIAL ROAD.
I'VE GOT A BIG ISSUE WITH WHAT THIS COUNTY HAS DONE OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
WE HAVE A SUPERINTENDENT WHO'S LEFT UNDER BAD TERMS, A FIRE CHIEF WHO'S LEFT UNDER BAD TERMS, A COUNTY ASSESSOR WHO'S LEFT UNDER BAD TERMS. OUR 2024 ASSESSMENTS WERE REPEALED FOR THE FIRST TIME IN COUNTY HISTORY.
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WE HAVE CURRENTLY SO FAR SPENT $1.8 MILLION TO GET ONE ASSESSMENT DONE, WHICH IS ATROCIOUS.WE'RE SEVERELY SHORT ON OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THEY REQUESTED 11 NEW OFFICERS AND GOT APPROVED FOR ONE.
WE HAVE A SEVERE DISCONNECT BETWEEN OUR PAID AND VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS.
THEY REQUESTED NINE NEW MEMBERS AND GOT ZERO.
SEVERE SHORTAGE FOR OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
THEY REQUESTED TWO AND A HALF NEW PERSONNEL AND GOT ZERO.
OUR RAINY DAY FUND IS UP TO $41 MILLION.
CURRENTLY, IT'S INCREASED $11 MILLION IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
THAT'S 2.2 ON AVERAGE PER YEAR.
WE'RE STRUGGLING TO BUY AMBULANCES TO WHERE THE BOARD IS HAVING TO ARGUE UP HERE TO GET AMBULANCES THAT ARE NEEDED, BECAUSE THE MILEAGE IS SO HIGH THAT WE'RE AGING OUT OUR AMBULANCES.
YET WE HAVE $2.2 MILLION PER YEAR TO PUT IN THE RAINY DAY FUND.
WHY IS IT UP TO 41 MILLION? THERE'S BEEN NO CLARITY FROM EVERYBODY'S UNDERSTANDING IN THE COUNTY.
THE YANCEY TRACT, WHICH IS THE TOPIC OF DISCUSSION, WAS BOUGHT UNDER THE PROMISE THAT IT WOULD BE A NEW HIGH SCHOOL. THAT WAS WHAT IT WAS BOUGHT.
THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD TOLD THE RESIDENTS IT WAS BEING BOUGHT FOR.
NOW, THE EXCUSE IS THAT THERE WAS NO WATER OR SEWER THERE, BUT THAT WAS KNOWN WHEN IT WAS BOUGHT.
SO THAT'S NOT AN EXCUSE, AT LEAST NOT A VALID ONE.
SINCE IT'S BEEN BOUGHT, THE BOARD HAS SPENT MONEY ON FOUR DIFFERENT DESIGNS THERE.
THEY HAVE SPENT MONEY ON A SCHOOL DESIGN.
THEY HAVE SPENT MONEY ON A WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY.
THEY HAVE SPENT MONEY ON A PUMP STATION.
THEY HAVE SPENT MONEY ON A CONVENIENCE CENTER.
ONLY ONE OF THOSE HAS BEEN APPROVED, BUT THE BOARD IS STEADY SPENDING MONEY ON DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT DON'T INVOLVE WHAT IT WAS BOUGHT AND PROMISED TO THE CITIZENS FOR.
THANK YOU ALL. YOU ALL HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.
THANK YOU SIR. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JIM QUIST, 9807 COUNTY LINE ROAD.
I'LL TRY TO READ THIS REAL QUICK.
SOME OF YOU ALL KNOW. I MEAN, THIS COUNTY'S BEEN DEALING WITH THIS.
I FIND OUT I'VE ONLY BEEN IN THIS COUNTY FOR A YEAR AND A HALF NOW.
I'M A NEWBIE, BUT YOU ALL BEEN DEALING WITH THIS WHOLE WASTEWATER THING FOR THREE YEARS.
I'M NOT SAYING ANYBODY HERE IS DOING SOMETHING SHADY, BUT IT SURE LOOKS SHADY, AND IT READS SHADY.
THE WAY THIS THING IS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW.
IT SAYS, QUOTE, IF WASTEWATER ALLOCATIONS ARE NOT AVAILABLE WITH THE CITY OF HOPEWELL AT THE HOPEWELL WATER RENEWAL FACILITY, COMMIT TO FUND AND CONSTRUCT WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IN THE COUNTY, UNQUOTE.
SOMEHOW, 24 HOURS AFTER THIS MEETING TONIGHT, THIS MONEY RUNS OUT ON JUNE 12TH, TOMORROW.
SOMEHOW THIS BECAME AN EMERGENCY AFTER THREE YEARS OF MESSING WITH IT.
THAT'S NOT THE WAY TO RUN A COUNTY.
THERE'S NO LOCATION IDENTIFIED, NO RESOURCE STUDY, NO RPA DETERMINATION, NO CORPS OF ENGINEERS, NO IMPACT AS TO SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND PROPERTY VALUES.
NOTHING EXCEPT IT'S NOW AN EMERGENCY OR YOU LOSE FUNDING LOSING FUNDING IS A YOU ALL PROBLEM.
THAT AIN'T AN US PROBLEM AND WE DON'T NEED TO DEAL WITH THIS.
TAXPAYERS DESERVE A WHOLE LOT BETTER FROM THIS BOARD, THE COUNTY AND ITS STAFF.
THAT MOTION LATER THIS EVENING.
I STILL GOT A MINUTE. SO I'M GOING TO STAND HERE.
THAT MOTION FOR LATER NEEDS TO BE DEFEATED.
IF YOU NEED TO REAPPLY FOR FUNDS, REAPPLY FOR FUNDS, BUT DON'T DO IT LIKE THIS.
BECAUSE IF YOU GOOGLE SHADY, THIS WILL POP UP.
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I NEED FOR YOU TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE, AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.IT'S JUST SO THAT WE CAN GET YOU ON THE RECORDING AND STUFF, SIR.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND CHAIRMAN.
LET ME I JUST WANTED TO MAKE 2 OR 3 COMMENTS.
COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME? OH, I'M RILEY INGRAM, AND I OWN A BUNCH OF PROPERTY IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.
THANK YOU, AND WHEN I WAS IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, WHEN WE PASSED THE STORM WATER THING AT THAT TIME, I READ IT, AND I VOTED FOR IT BECAUSE SOMEBODY FUSSED AT ME FOR VOTING FOR IT JUST TWO WEEKS AGO.
OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW I VOTED FOR IT, SO, BUT I DID, BUT ANYWAY, BUT WHEN I VOTED FOR IT, IT WAS.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE VOLUNTEER.
IT WAS VOLUNTEER ACROSS THE BOARD FOR A LONG, YOU KNOW, 2 OR 3 YEARS OF VOLUNTEER.
WHAT MY COMPLAINT IS, IS THAT I OWN BERKSHIRE ESTATE TOWNHOUSES, AND THEY CHARGE ME, THAT'S RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, THEY CHARGE ME FOR COMMERCIAL $180 A BUILDING.
OKAY, HERE'S A PLACE ON, BUT THEY DID STRAIGHTEN THIS ONE OUT.
THEY HAVEN'T STRAIGHTENED THE OTHERS OUT, BUT THEY DID STRAIGHTEN THIS ONE OUT.
THIS IS AT 3710 PUDDLE DUCK ROAD.
IT'S A RESIDENCE, AND THEY CHARGE ME $180.
I PAID IT BECAUSE THEY'LL GIVE ME CREDIT FOR IT, BECAUSE I ALWAYS TRY TO PAY THE STUFF, AND THEN IF I GET THE MONEY BACK, OKAY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I THINK THAT THE STORMWATER RUNOFF FEE, I DON'T MIND PAYING SOME, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE FAIR TO EVERYONE AND I ALSO WOULD RATHER PERSONALLY NOW I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ANYBODY ELSE, BUT I PERSONALLY WOULD RATHER SEE THIS TAX INCREASE TWO OR THREE CENTS, THAN I WOULD TO PAY FOR THIS THING, AND IT NOT BE FAIR TO EVERYONE.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM PAYING $180 FOR THAT, IF THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD WANTS TO DO, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY SHOULD BE IN THAT CATEGORY, BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY.
MAYBE APARTMENTS HAD 180 FOR THE WHOLE WORKS, BUT FOR SIX BUILDINGS? FOR SIX BUILDINGS.
MISTER INGRAM, IF YOU ARE ABLE TO STICK AROUND TONIGHT THERE IS A DISCUSSION TONIGHT ON STORMWATER FEES. WELL I THINK THAT YOU WOULD STICK AROUND AND LISTEN.
YEAH I THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT TO BE QUITE-- BECAUSE I WAS WORRIED IF I DIDN'T KNOW IF I COULD SPEAK AT THAT TIME OR JUST.
THAT IS ALL I HAD TO SAY. YES, SIR.
LEILA MEYERS 8711 SECOND COURT, DISPUTANTA, VIRGINIA.
ALL THE OTHER ITEMS SAY WORD RESOLUTION IN FRONT OF THEM.
YET ITEM FOUR, IN ITS PACKAGE BURIED AT THE VERY BOTTOM, DOES HAVE A RESOLUTION, BUT LIKE YOU HEARD, THE SHORT SHOULD BE FORTHCOMING WITH THE RESIDENTS WHEN THE INTENDED USE OF THE SITE CHANGES SO DRASTICALLY.
IN 2021 THIS SITE THIS PROJECT WAS VOTED TO BE A PUMP STATION, NOT A SEWAGE TREATMENT, AND YOUR PACKAGE SAYS THAT THE DESIGN FOR THE BLACKWATER REGIONAL PUMP STATION IS NEARLY 90% COMPLETE.
SO WE ARE ASKED TO BE RUSHED TO MAKE A VOTE IN THE DECISION ON THE 11TH DAY AT THE 11TH HOUR.
THE PACKAGE PRESENTED TO YOU TODAY SAYS THAT THIS DECISION DOES NOT REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT IS EVEN POSSIBLE.
IT SAYS THAT NO PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION IS REQUIRED.
ALSO, NOTHING SAYS WHATSOEVER ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WHETHER OR NOT THIS ACTION AND THIS VOTE BY YOU IS BASED ON ANY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY OR IF IT WAS EVER REQUIRED, NO MENTION OF THAT YET.
WE ARE PUSHED TO HURRY MAKE THIS DECISION, BECAUSE OF THE GRANT, MONEY IS ABOUT TO EXPIRE WHEN WE HAD TO DEAL WITH THE STINK FROM THE SUSSEX LANDFILL, IT WAS ONLY AIR QUALITY AFFECTING PRINCE GEORGE RESIDENTS, BUT THE DEQ HAD TO GET ENGAGED AND THEY HAD TO BE ON TOP OF IT FOR THREE YEARS.
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I HAD THE GUY FROM A DEQ ON A SPEED DIAL FOR THREE YEARS, GIVING HIM DAILY REPORTS HOW HORRIBLE IT WAS TO LIVE IN PRINCE GEORGE, SMELLING WHAT THE SUSSEX LANDFILL WAS BRINGING TO US IN PRINCE GEORGE, A WATER TREATMENT PLANT WILL BE AFFECTING, LIKE YOU'VE HEARD, WATER, SOIL, WILDLIFE, TREES, ENVIRONMENT, EVERYTHING. YOU DRIVE FROM HERE ALL THE WAY TO RICHMOND, YOU WILL KNOW WHEN YOU'RE PASSING WATER TREATMENT PLANTS.PETERSBURG, RICHMOND, HOPEWELL.
THIS IS GOING TO BE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S NOT RIGHT, AND WE ALREADY HAVE.
SUPPOSEDLY WE ARE A PART OF A SOUTH CENTRAL WASTEWATER AUTHORITY.
THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY WEBSITE SAYS THAT IT UNDERWENT 30 MILLION EXPANSION AND UPGRADE.
THE TREATMENT PLANT WILL SERVE BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND INDUSTRIAL GROWTH FOR THE COMMUNITY WELL INTO THE 21ST CENTURY, AND THE INVESTMENT MADE IN THESE FACILITIES IS ONE WHICH WILL PROVIDE CONTINUING BENEFITS FOR THE FUTURE GENERATIONS TO ENJOY.
WE ALREADY SPENT MONEY AND THIS IS ON PRINCE GEORGE WEBSITE.
WE HAVE WHAT YOU PROMISED TO LAST US INTO 21ST CENTURY.
I LIVE IN CHESTERFIELD COUNTY, BUT I OWN ALL THE LAND ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE YANCEY TRACT PROPERTY.
EXCUSE ME. DID YOU SAY YOU OWN THE PROPERTY HERE? YES, I OWN THE PROPERTY THAT BORDERS THIS LAND.
OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M ALREADY LOSING FIVE ACRES OF LAND TO THE BEAVERS THAT FLOODED MY LAND.
YOU ALL PLAN ON FLOODING ANOTHER 1520 ACRES? IF YOU DON'T GO IN THERE AND KILL ALL THE BEAVERS OR BREAK ALL THE DAMS ALL THE WAY UP TO THAT SWAMP, I'M GOING TO LOSE 25 ACRES OF LAND.
WHO'S GOING TO PAY ME FOR THAT? THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT, AND I'M SOLELY AGAINST THIS WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON.
I LIVE AT 9593 EAST QUAKER ROAD IN DISPUTANTA, AND MY PROPERTY BUTTS UP AGAINST MY BROTHER IN LAW'S PROPERTY, WHICH BUTTS UP AGAINST THE SWAMP, AND I SPOKE SEVERAL YEARS AGO ON THIS ISSUE AGAINST THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, AND I'M HERE TO LEND MY VOICE TO ALL THE REST OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, AND IN SO DOING, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, BY A SHOW OF HANDS, WHO IS HERE TO GO AGAINST THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT? MA'AM, YOUR COMMENTS HAVE TO BE MADE DIRECTLY TO THE-- I JUST WANT YOU TO SEE I'M MAKING OKAY.
I WILL MAKE MY COMMENTS TO YOU.
YOUR COMMENTS ARE MADE DIRECTLY TO-- BOARD, DID YOU SEE THE AMOUNT OF HANDS THAT WERE HERE BECAUSE OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT? WE VOTED IT DOWN ONCE WE HAD AN ELECTION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND VOTE AGAINST THIS.
I'M LIKE, THE OTHER MAN, PUT THIS THING DOWN.
YOU DON'T WANT THAT RESPONSIBILITY ON YOU.
MY FAMILY HAS BEEN IN THIS COUNTY FOR SIX GENERATIONS ON THAT SWAMP.
THIS IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.
I'M FRAN MORGAN, 1586 TINSLEY BOULEVARD.
THE INFORMAL PETITION SIGNATURES AS A PART OF OUR PROJECT REFLECT THE SUPPORT OF A REQUEST THAT EMERGENCY MEDICAL MANAGEMENT SERVICES BE ADDED TO THE OUTSTANDING FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES ALREADY PROVIDED BY FIRE STATION COMPANY ONE.
THIS REQUEST IS TO ENABLE A MORE RAPID RESPONSE TIME TO OUR AREA, THE HEART OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY, TO INCLUDE GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS, RESTAURANTS, ATTORNEYS, OTHER BUSINESSES AS WELL AS LARGE NUMBER OF HOMES TO INCLUDE TINSLEY CHARTER.
CURRENTLY, MEDICAL EMERGENCY RESPONDERS ARE REQUESTED FROM OTHER FIRE STATION COMPANIES.
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A MINUTE OR EVEN A FEW SECONDS CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE RECOVERY OF VICTIMS FROM HEART ATTACKS, STROKES, SERIOUS FALLS, AND SO FORTH FROM ANY OF THE BUSINESSES AND GOVERNMENT AGENCIES.NOT TO MENTION THE HOMES IN WHICH WE RESIDE OR THE WALKWAYS THROUGH THE GOVERNMENT COMPLEX.
FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE THROUGH THE, RESPONSE TIME IN A VERY POPULATED AREA.
OUR COMMENTS ARE NOT BEING MADE TO PUBLICLY CRITICIZE PREVIOUS RESPONSES FOR EMERGENCY MEDICAL CARE BY FIRST RESPONDERS, BUT TO ENHANCE THESE SERVICES WHEN LIVES ARE AT STAKE FOR BETTER RECOVERY EFFORTS.
WE HAVE PROVIDED OUR SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS AS ENCLOSURES TO A COVER LETTER FOR EACH MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO USE WHEN CONSIDERING OUR REQUESTS FOR MORE RAPID EMERGENCY MEDICAL CARE AROUND THE COUNTY FIRE STATION COMPANY ONE.
MA'AM, WE DID RECEIVE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU PUT OUT FOR US, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK AT THIS TIME? PLEASE COME FORWARD.
I LIVE IN CHESTERFIELD, BUT MY FAMILY HAS OWNED THE LAND AT THE CORNER OF 629 AND 156 FOR A LONG TIME, AND IN THE NEAR FUTURE, I PLAN TO MOVE TO PRINCE GEORGE, AND I WANT TO BUY A HOUSE OR BUY LAND AND ENJOY MY FAMILY'S LAND THAT I'VE BEEN HUNTING ON MY WHOLE LIFE, AND I WANT TO HAVE MY OWN GARDEN AND SUCH AND CONTINUE FAMILY TRADITIONS THERE BUT IT SEEMED TO ME LIKE A YEAR AGO WHEN WE ALL GOT UP AND YOU ALL TURNED THIS DOWN AND SAID IT WOULDN'T HAPPEN.
IT SEEMED TO ME LIKE YOU ALL WANTED TO BUILD THE DUMP OR THE WASTEWATER PLANT SO THAT YOU COULD EXPAND THE INDUSTRIAL CENTER AND, AND GET MORE TAX REVENUE THROUGH THAT, AND LIKE, YOU ALL WERE GOING TO YOU ALL WERE GOING TO ADD THAT WATER AND SEWER THERE, WHETHER WE SAID NO OR NOT, JUST BECAUSE YOU NEED THE TAX MONEY FROM THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE WAY THAT ANYBODY LIVING IN THE AREA WANTS TO LIVE.
SO I JUST WISH YOU'D RECONSIDER THAT, WHAT WE SAID LAST YEAR.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OKAY. THIS IS THE LAST CALL FOR ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD.
COME FORWARD TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME.
GOOD EVENING, REED FOSTER, LAUREL SPRING ROAD.
I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND EVERYONE THAT HAS SPOKE AGAINST THIS WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
I BELIEVE THAT THIS BOARD HAS AN OBLIGATION TO DO SOME RESEARCH.
BACK WHEN I WAS ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WE ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE HOPEWELL REGIONAL WASTEWATER PLANT, AND WE BOUGHT A LOT OF STORAGE, I'LL CALL IT.
THERE HAVE BEEN MANY PLANS FROM THE FORMER COUNTY ENGINEER, MR. MCBRIDE, TO THE CURRENT ENGINEER.
ABOUT REVERSING THE FLOW FROM BEHIND THE BANK OF SOUTHSIDE VIRGINIA AND RUNNING IT TO THE BAILEY RIDGE INTERCEPTOR, WHICH WOULD TAKE A LOT OF THE LOAD OFF OF THE AGREEMENT WE HAVE WITH THE AUTHORITY IN PETERSBURG.
WHEN THE INDUSTRIAL PART WAS BUILT, ONE OF THE THINGS WAS LOOKED AT IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT PUMPING STATION ON THE YANCEY PROPERTY.
THEY WERE GOING TO RUN A LINE TO 156 AND PUMP ALL THAT WASTE WATER TO HOPEWELL.
I COMMEND THESE CITIZENS THAT HAVE DONE THEIR HOMEWORK.
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YOU ALL NEED TO DO YOU ALL'S BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS HERE, BUT I THINK YOU CAN FIND SOME OF THOSE UNKNOWNS IN FORMER BOARD MEMBER MINUTES, AND I THINK THAT WILL HELP YOU ALL TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION NOT TO PUT ONE THERE.I AM LIKE MR. BROCKWELL AND MR. JACKSON. THE BLACKWATER SWAMP RUNS BEHIND MY HOME.
I HAVE HUNTED THE BLACKWATER SWAMP FROM COURTHOUSE ROAD ALL THE WAY TO THE HIGH SCHOOL.
I USED TO COULD WALK ACROSS IT LIKE MR. BROCKWELL SAYS.
DO YOUR HOMEWORK ABOUT THIS WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
AT THIS TIME, AGAIN, THIS IS THE LAST CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
OTHERWISE WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JAMIE STOVALL.
I OWN PROPERTY AT 2718 FARMINGTON DRIVE.
I'M HERE TO ADDRESS THE CALL FOR MORE STAFFING IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY FOR FIRE AND EMS. ALTHOUGH I AM NOT A, I'M NOT DISCOURAGING MORE STAFFING IN IN THE COUNTY AS A CAREER STAFF.
I'M A VOLUNTEER. I HAVE BEEN A VOLUNTEER IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY ON AND OFF SINCE 1991.
I DO NOT LIVE IN THE COUNTY, BUT I DO OWN PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY.
THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE, AND THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO ME BY MANY PHONE CALLS OVER THE LAST WEEK FROM ME MAKING COMMENTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT THE STAFFING ISSUES IS THAT WE ARE NOT USING OUR PEOPLE RESPONSIBLY AND PROPERLY AS IT STANDS TODAY.
SO WHY, AS A COUNTY, WOULD WE PAY FOR MORE TO BE POSSIBLY MISUSED AS WELL? WE HAVE A DECENT-SIZED VOLUNTEER FIRE SYSTEM.
MY FIRE STATION IS COMPANY FIVE.
WE AVERAGED FOUR PEOPLE PER CALL LAST YEAR AT ALMOST 500 CALLS FOR STATION FIVE.
LAST YEAR WE RESPONDED TO 110 EMS ASSISTS LAST YEAR WITH AN AVERAGE OF THREE PEOPLE PER CALL.
I KEEP ALL OF THE NUMBERS FROM MY PARTICULAR STATION AND A PROGRAM THAT I DO FOR OUR STUFF.
WE DON'T ALWAYS SHOW UP ON A COUNTY WEBSITE, ON OUR ESO SYSTEM OR OUR IMAGE TREND, WHICH IS TRACKED ON THE THAT THE STATE LEVEL AND THE COUNTY LEVEL. WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP TO THE STATIONS THAT ARE STANDBY OR POV, WHICH IS A PERSONALLY OPERATED VEHICLE.
THOSE PEOPLE DON'T SHOW UP ON REPORTS, BUT YET WHEN WE SEE A REPORT THAT WAS PUT OUT TWICE, NOW THAT I'VE SEEN BY THE FIRE AND EMS SYSTEM ABOUT THE PAID STAFF NUMBERS GOING UP AND THE VOLUNTEER STAFF NUMBERS GOING DOWN, THERE'S A MULTIFACETED SITUATION THAT'S GOING ON THERE.
LAST YEAR, IN FEBRUARY OF 2023, THEY REDUCED ALL OF THE VOLUNTEER FIRE DISTRICTS TO INCREASE THE PAID STAFF DISTRICTS, AND THEN ON THE FLIP SIDE, THEY SAID THE VOLUNTEERS AREN'T RESPONDING TO AS MANY CALLS AS THEY WERE.
YOU'RE NOT CALLING US ANYMORE.
MY FIRE STATION PARTICULARLY LOST ITS ENTIRE DISTRICT.
THEY ONLY CALL ENGINE FIVE, WHICH IS SEPARATE FROM COMPANY FIVE.
ENGINE FIVE IS THE PAID STAFF.
THE FIRE COMPANY, AS THEY CALL IT IN DISPATCH, IS THE VOLUNTEER SIDE.
WE GET NO CALLS FOR CERTAIN THINGS AND THEY SAY, WELL, YOU'RE NOT RESPONDING ANYMORE.
WELL, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT CALLING US.
SO I ASKED THE BOARD, BEFORE YOU INCREASE THE PAID STAFF TO LOOK AT HOW THE RESOURCES ARE BEING USED OF WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW, VERSUS JUST SAYING WE NEED MORE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY'LL END UP BEING MISUSED.
AGAIN, I'LL MAKE THE LAST CALL.
YEAH. MY NAME IS JAMES SCOTT DEDMON I LIVE IN THE 1600 BLOCK OF SOUTH CRATER ROAD.
I CAME TONIGHT TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF THE STORMWATER FEES.
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MORE SPECIFICALLY HOW THEY PERTAIN TO EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY WHERE SOME OF US OBVIOUSLY PROBABLY SHOULD AUTOMATICALLY BE EXEMPT.MY LAND GEOGRAPHICALLY IS A CUP SHAPE.
THE RETENTION POND OF ABOUT 11 ACRES.
PLUS, I'M ALSO ACCOMPANYING QUITE A BIT OF VDOT WATER THAT COMES OFF ROUTE 301.
THE INTERESTING PART OF THIS, I GUESS IT'S INTERESTING, YOU MAY FIND IT VERY INTERESTING, IN FACT, IS THAT THE PRIOR ADMINISTRATION THE DIRECTOR OF ENGINEER AND UTILITIES, ASSISTED ME IN FILLING OUT NUMEROUS FORMS CONTAINING EACH PARCEL THAT I OWN SITE VISITS THE WHOLE NINE YARDS AND WE CAME TO A UNANIMOUS AGREEMENT AT THAT TIME THAT THIS, IN FACT, WAS THE CASE, THAT THERE WAS ZERO STORMWATER RUNOFF, AND THEN THEN, OF COURSE, WITH THE CHANGING OF THE GUARD AND NEW LEADERSHIP, I'VE RECENTLY DISCOVERED THAT ALL OF THAT PAPERWORK AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY EXEMPT WEREN'T, AND THERE'S NO DOCUMENTATION OF IT AT ALL.
OF COURSE, THAT'S REALLY LITERALLY WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SPEAK OF THAT OR WHAT TO SAY TO THAT, BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY HOPE THAT IN THE UPCOMING DAYS SOMEONE WILL REACH OUT TO ME, PREFERABLY SOMEONE, ONE OF YOU OR ALL OF YOU ON THE BOARD, IN CONSIDERATION OF WHAT I'M TELLING YOU, NOT TO MENTION THAT I HAVE LIVED IN PRINCE GEORGE SINCE 1984.
WENT TO RICHMOND COLLEGE, A MEMBER OF CARSON FIRE DEPARTMENT.
A TRUE LIFE BELIEVER AND A GOOD CITIZEN OF PRINCE GEORGE.
ALWAYS MET ALL THE DEMANDS OF BURDEN, OF TAXES.
ASK OF ME, AND JUST IN THE LAST TEN YEARS ALONE, I PAID THIS COUNTY ALMOST $200,000.
OKAY, SO I'M NOT ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION, BUT I AM ASKING FOR SOME FURTHER ATTENTION.
LOOKING AT MY SITUATION, BECAUSE I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE.
THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER PROPERTIES THAT OBVIOUSLY SHOULDN'T BE SUBJECTED TO STORM WATER FEES.
OKAY. JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND.
OKAY, AND I THANK YOU, SIR AND MISS PUDLOW, WOULD YOU WOULD YOU AND STAFF FOLLOW UP WITH THIS GENTLEMAN LATER, PLEASE? THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I AM A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.
I'M A FIFTH GENERATION RESIDENT OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.
THROUGHOUT MY FAMILY, I'M A THIRD GENERATION FIREFIGHTER.
I LIVE AT 11175 WEBB ROAD IN DISPUTANTA.
MOST CITIZENS DON'T REALIZE IT.
THERE ARE DEFINITE ISSUES WITH OUR RESPONSE MODEL AND OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES SYSTEM IN THE COUNTY IN THE PAST 2 TO 3 YEARS, TO SAY SPECIFICALLY, THERE HAVE BEEN A RAISE IN CALLS FOR SERVICE AS WELL AS A DECREASE IN SOME RESPONSE.
I THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE QUESTIONS ASKED WHY STATISTICS ARE THERE.
STATISTICS CAN BE MANIPULATED TO WHATEVER AGENDA YOU HAVE.
WHY ARE WE NO LONGER HOSTING FIREFIGHTER ONE AND TWO CLASSES FOR COUNTY VOLUNTEERS THAT WE USED TO DO YEARLY? WHY ARE WE NO LONGER HOSTING EMT CLASSES THAT WE USED TO HOST YEARLY FOR VOLUNTEERS IN THIS COUNTY? I THINK THOSE ARE ALL QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ASKED.
WHY ARE WE CHANGING VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS' NAMES? TAKE THE ACTUAL NAME OUT OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND MAKING THEM PRINCE GEORGE STATION TWO, PRINCE GEORGE STATION THREE RATHER THAN VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT, CARSON VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT BURROWSVILLE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THAT HOLDS VALUE, AND WHEN THAT'S RIPPED AWAY, I DO THINK THAT HOLDS A LITTLE BIT OF MERIT TO THE SITUATION THAT WE SEE, ALONG WITH A HANDFUL OF OTHER THINGS. I THINK THAT SOME QUESTIONS AND ATTENTION NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED TO OUR RESPONSE MODEL.
WHERE ARE OUR RESOURCES GOING? HOW ARE THEY BEING ALLOCATED? HOW ARE THEY BEING MANAGED? WE SAY WE NEED STAFFING, AND I AGREE WITH STAFFING.
NOTICE I DIDN'T SAY CAREER STAFF OR VOLUNTEER STAFF.
WE NEED TO OPERATE TOGETHER AS A COUNTY, NOT A VOLUNTEER, NOT A CAREER PERSON.
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IT'S THE SAME RESPONSE FOR THE SAME INCIDENT, FOR THE SAME OUTCOMES, AND THAT'S SERVICE DELIVERY TO THE CITIZENS.WHAT IS OUR RESPONSE MODEL? WHY ARE WE SENDING CERTAIN UNITS TO CALLS THAT MIGHT NOT BELONG ON CALLS? WHY ARE VOLUNTEERS NOT BEING DISPATCHED TO CERTAIN CALLS ANYMORE AND THEN BEING PUNISHED FOR NOT RESPONDING TO SAID CALLS? WHAT DO WE ON-STAFF.
WHAT DO WE NOT ON-STAFF? WHAT DO WE CONSIDER A MEDICAL CALL VERSUS A FIRE RELATED CALL? I THINK THAT ALL OF THAT STUFF NEEDS TO BE QUESTIONED AND ATTENTION NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT TO IT.
I'M JUST GOING TO CLOSE OUT WITH THIS.
I THINK THAT ATTENTION NEEDS TO BE DRAWN TO WHY THE VOLUNTEERS RESPONSE HAS DWINDLED THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, AND THERE ARE A COUPLE COMMON DENOMINATORS, AND I'M JUST ASKING FOR A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED ABOUT THAT.
BOARD MEMBERS AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO TRY TO GET APPROVAL ON THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA, PLEASE.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD TO THE AGENDA, MR. CHAIR. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ADD.
I WANT TO ADD A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
WELL, OKAY, BECAUSE TYPICALLY ADDING SOMETHING TO THE AGENDA TAKES A MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS TO ADD.
USUALLY, WE TALK ABOUT THAT UP FRONT WITHOUT JUST I MEAN, BECAUSE WE HAVE A FULL AGENDA TONIGHT.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY.
SO THE MOTION IS TO ADOPT THE AGENDA WITH A DISCUSSION ON PUBLIC SAFETY.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
AGAIN, I JUST CLEARLY WANT TO STATE WHEN WE HAVE THINGS ON OUR AGENDA, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE PREPARED TO DISCUSS ABOUT UPFRONT IN PUBLIC.
IT BECOMES A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION WHEN YOU JUST WANT TO ARBITRARILY JUST THROW A SUBJECT OUT TO TALK ABOUT, AND AND I'LL BE VERY HONEST, YOU'RE SITTING HERE WITH MEMBERS OF THE BOARD THAT HAVE NO IDEA THAT THIS COULD HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH US OUTSIDE OF THIS MEETING, THAT I'D LIKE TO ADD THIS ITEM TONIGHT. THEN WE COULD HAVE HAD TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS OF OTHER BOARD MEMBERS.
WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT? THE ELEMENT OF THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE ELEMENT OF SURPRISE, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE FRUITFUL DISCUSSIONS AND WE KNOW WHERE CONVERSATIONS ARE GOING.
SO THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
THE NEXT WE HAVE IS THE APPROVAL OF OUR CONSENT AGENDA.
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I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.I'LL SECOND. IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED TO ADOPT THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ARE WE READY FOR THE QUESTION? MRS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? OKAY. AS PART OF THE CONSENT AGENDA, WE'RE NOW DOWN TO PRESENTATIONS.
[E. Presentations]
THERE ARE TWO PRESENTATIONS THAT WE NEED TO DO.ONE OF THEM WAS ACTUALLY WRITTEN UP AT OUR LAST MEETING AND SHE WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND.
SO WE HAVE TONIGHT AN ACCOMMODATION FOR MISS KAYLA CALLAHAN GIRL SCOUT GOLD AWARD, AND WE ALSO HAVE A ACCOMMODATION FOR LIEUTENANT WARREN.
SO I'M GOING TO ASK MRS. WAYMACK IF SHE WOULD DO THE ONE ON OUR GIRL SCOUT, AND I'M GOING TO ASK MR. COX IF HE WOULD DO THE ONE ON LIEUTENANT WARREN, AND BOARD MEMBERS.
WHERE IS MY LITTLE GIRL? COME FORWARD PLEASE, AND
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YOU LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE LATER, YOU WON'T BELIEVE ALL SHE'S DONE.DO YOU HAVE FAMILY WITH YOU? MY MOM IS HERE. YOU WANT YOUR MOM TO COME UP? SURE. OKAY. COME ON, MOM.
MOM'S GOT TO BE HERE FOR THIS TOO.
THIS YOUNG LADY, KAYLA CALLAHAN, IS A GRADUATING SENIOR OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.
HIGH SCHOOL CLASS OF 2024 AND WHEREAS ON APRIL 15TH, KAYLA WAS AWARDED THE COMPLETION OF HER GIRL SCOUT GOLD AWARD THROUGH THE GOLD AWARD REVIEW BOARD OF THE GIRL SCOUTS OF AMERICA.
COMMONWEALTH COUNCIL OF VIRGINIA.
GIRL SCOUTS TROOP 281 REPRESENTING THE PRINCE GEORGE, FORT, PRINCE GEORGE, FORT GREG, ADAMS, SUSSEX, TERRITORIES, AND WHEREAS KAYLA CURRENTLY SERVES AS AN AMBASSADOR AND A COUNSELOR FOR PRINCE GEORGE, FORT GREG ADAMS, SUSSEX.
GIRL SCOUTS OF COMMONWEALTH COUNCIL OF VIRGINIA THROUGH A YOUTH LEADERSHIP TRAINING PROGRAM OF 40 HOURS COMPLETED THROUGH HELPING YOUNGER GIRL SCOUTS TO ADVANCE IN THEIR GIRL SCOUT JOURNEYS AND PROGRAMMING THROUGH HER GOLD AWARD, AND WHEREAS, KAYLA COMPLETED HER 81.5 HOUR PROJECT OF CREATING A SERIES OF FACEBOOK, TIKTOK AND OTHER SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS, AS WELL AS INFORMATIONAL WORKSHOPS THAT TAUGHT THE PUBLIC ABOUT FOSTERING AND ADOPTING THROUGH THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY ANIMAL SERVICES.
WITH A FOCUS ON THE ANIMAL'S SPECIAL NEEDS FOR THE CONTINUING OPERATIONS AND GROWTH OF THE SHELTER.
THAT WAS FUN, WASN'T IT? YEAH, IT WAS.
AS WELL AS CARING FOR THE ANIMALS THROUGH FOSTERING AND ADOPTION.
THE DONATED SUPPLIES COLLECTED THROUGHOUT TOWN AND WILL BE ONGOING.
KAYLA'S LOVE OF HER COMMUNITY AND PETS IS SHOWN THROUGH THIS PROJECT, AND WHEREAS KAYLA IS A MEMBER OF JROTC, BETA CLUB, SGA, CRIME SOLVERS, FOUR-H CLUB, MARCHING BAND, AND TENNIS AS WELL AS WINTER GUARD AT THE PRINCE GEORGE HIGH SCHOOL, AND WHEREAS, KAYLA HAS BEEN A VOLUNTEER IN THE COMMUNITY WITH THE AMERICAN RED CROSS, RUN FOR THE FALLEN, FISHER HOUSE, THE RONALD MCDONALD HOUSE, THE FOSTER HOME OF VIRGINIA, THE FIRST THANKSGIVING FESTIVAL OF VIRGINIA YOUTH MEMBERS, AND THE PRINCE GEORGE GIRL SCOUT HONOR COLOR GUARD, AND WHEREAS, KAYLA WILL BE ATTENDING CLEMSON UNIVERSITY IN THE FALL OF 2024.
NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF THE COUNTY OF PRINCE GEORGE, THIS 28TH DAY OF MAY, HEREBY COMMANDS AND CONGRATULATES KAYLA CALLAHAN ON HER GIRL SCOUT GOLD AWARD, INCLUDING HER DEDICATED VOLUNTEER WORK ACHIEVEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THIS BOARD WISHES KAYLA CALLAHAN MUCH SUCCESS AND HAPPINESS AS SHE PURSUES THESE GOALS AND WE WISH HER THE BEST. THIS IS SIGNED BY MR. TJ WEBB, CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, AND MR. JEFFREY STOKE, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, AND THIS IS YOURS.
THANK YOU. SO SHE HAD, HER ACCOMPLISHMENTS ARE JUST SOMETHING SPECIAL.
SO LET'S GIVE HER A GOOD HAND.
NOW, MOM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING? NO? [CHUCKLING] I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL AND EVERYONE WHO SERVES US IN THE COMMUNITY.
JUST THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
JUST THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU DO, AND I APPRECIATE IT.
ALL RIGHT! ALL RIGHT. CONGRATULATIONS, DO STUDY HARD AT CLEMSON.
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YES, MA'AM.IF LIEUTENANT JODIE WARREN WOULD LIKE TO JOIN ME UP FRONT.
DO YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THEM OR DO YOU WANT THEM BEHIND ME? [CHUCKLING] OKAY. FIRST, I'M GOING TO START REAL QUICK AND SAY A FEW WORDS BEFORE I READ THIS.
THIS JUST THRILLS ME TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT THIS.
LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS CAUGHT A BAD RAP OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
THESE PEOPLE ARE WHAT WE DEPEND ON.
WHEN WE NEED TO CALL, WE DIAL 9-1-1, THEY'RE THERE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT [INAUDIBLE].
I LOVE ALL THE GUYS IN PRINCE GEORGE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
[INAUDIBLE] THIS IS SPECIAL TO ME.
OKAY, SO THIS IS A COMMENDATION TO LIEUTENANT JODIE WARREN.
SERVICE TO PRINCE GEORGE TOWN.
PRESENTED ON JUNE THE 11TH, 2024.
WHEREAS ON APRIL 1ST, 2007, JODIE WARREN WAS HIRED AS A POLICE OFFICER AND WHEREAS ON DECEMBER THE 1ST, 2010, HE WAS PROMOTED TO SERGEANT AND ON JANUARY 31ST, 2017, HE WAS PROMOTED TO LIEUTENANT AND HAS REMAINED IN THIS CAPACITY UNTIL HE RETIRED ON JUNE 1ST OF THIS YEAR, AND WHEREAS DURING HIS CAREER, LIEUTENANT ONE SERVED AS A PATROL OFFICER, A DETECTIVE AND A FIELD OPERATIONS SUPERVISOR, AND WAS A GENERAL INSTRUCTOR, FIREARMS INSTRUCTOR, AND FIELD TRAINING INSTRUCTOR, AND WHEREAS DURING HIS CAREER, LIEUTENANT WARREN SERVED ON THE NARCOTICS TASK FORCE, CRASH TEAM, HONOR GUARD, AND MARINE UNIT, AND WHEREAS, LIEUTENANT WARREN THROUGH HIS CAREER, HAS RECEIVED NUMEROUS LETTERS OF COMMENDATION FROM CITIZENS AND OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCY PARTNERS OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY, AND WHEREAS LIEUTENANT WARREN HAS A HISTORY OF EFFECTIVELY MANAGING CRITICAL INCIDENTS, INCLUDING ONE NOTABLE EVENT ON MAY 14TH, 2014.
THROUGH CALM LEADERSHIP AND CONTINUOUS COMMUNICATION, WARREN PLAYED A CRUCIAL ROLE IN MAINTAINING COMPOSURE AND ENSURING SUCCESSFUL MEDICAL INTERVENTION, ULTIMATELY SAVING THE FIRE CAPTAIN'S LIFE.
AND WHEREAS LIEUTENANT WARREN'S COLLEAGUES DESCRIBED HIM AS RESILIENT, RELIABLE AND RESPONSIBLE LEADER, AND WHEREAS THROUGHOUT HIS REMARKABLE CAREER IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, LIEUTENANT WARREN HAS SERVED THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA TO THE UTMOST OF HIS ABILITY, DEMONSTRATING PATRIOTISM, INTEGRITY, AND DEVOTION TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AND PUBLIC SAFETY IN A MANNER BESPEAKING THE DEDICATION OF A FAITHFUL PUBLIC SERVANT, AND THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF THE COUNTY OF PRINCE GEORGE 11TH DAY OF JUNE, 2024, DOES HEREBY COMMEND LIEUTENANT JODIE WARREN FOR THE COMPLETION OF 17 YEARS OF DEDICATED SERVICE TO THE COUNTY AND ITS CITIZENS. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THIS BOARD WISHES TO EXTEND TO JODIE WARREN MUCH HAPPINESS AND CONTINUED SUCCESS.
IT'S JUST BEEN MY HONOR AND MY FAMILY'S HONOR TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY.
THERE WAS A BIG SIGN OUT THERE, AND I'VE SEEN IT A HUNDRED TIMES.
IT SAYS, YOU BELONG IN PRINCE GEORGE, AND I REALLY THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
YOU HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTS THIS MORNING OR THIS AFTERNOON, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S PATIENCE, BUT IT'S AN HONOR SERVING THIS COMMUNITY AND SERVING ALONGSIDE THE WOMEN AND MEN WHO JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, BE JUST STAND IN THE GAP AND RESPOND QUICKLY TO IMPROVE.
OUR SAFETY AND IN THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S BEEN AN HONOR. IF WE COULD HAVE A BIG ROUND OF APPLAUSE.
COME UP HERE, WE'D LIKE A PICTURE WITH ALL OF YOU ALL.
DON'T ASK ME WHY, BUT HE WANTS YOU ALL UP HERE.
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SO WE WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR THE PRESENTATIONS THAT WE DID TONIGHT.I'M JUST TRYING TO GET MY COMPUTER LOGGED BACK ON.
[F. Comments]
MR. PUGH. I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT.YOU ALL HAVE MET, AND THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT AT THIS TIME.
OKAY. NEXT, I'LL GO TO MRS. WAYMACK. YES.
WELL, IN SPITE OF ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS, WE HAVE ANOTHER TICK BORNE ILLNESS OUT IN THE AREA.
SO REMEMBER, IT'S CALLED BABESIOSIS, AND IT'S CONTRACTED WHEN YOU HAVE A TICK BITE.
SO YOU NEED TO REMEMBER TO WEAR YOUR PROTECTIVE CLOTHING AND SPRAY YOUR FEET AND ANKLES AND WITH APPROPRIATE SPRAY, IF YOU'RE BITTEN, YOU NEED TO SEEK MEDICAL HELP FOR APPROPRIATE ANTIBIOTIC.
ANTIBIOTICS CAN PREVENT THE ILLNESS.
SO BE SURE TO TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF OUT THERE.
OKAY, MR. COX. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.
JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, THE ONES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN HERE.
HEARD YOU SEE ME UP HERE A LOT OF TIMES LOOKING DOWN.
I'M LISTENING. I'M TAKING NOTES.
I'D LIKE TO TAKE NOTES MYSELF.
SO IF YOU SEE ME WITH MY HEAD DOWN, THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING, BUT AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT.
IT WAS BEFORE, AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN AND PROBABLY WILL SAY IT MANY MORE TIMES.
GOVERNMENT IS ONLY AS GOOD AS YOU MAKE IT.
WE WANT YOU TO STAY UP TO WHAT'S GOING ON.
PLEASE REACH OUT TO US, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME OVER THE LAST TWO WEEKS.
THANK YOU. I KNOW I'VE MISSED CALLS.
I'VE TRIED TO CALL PEOPLE BACK.
VOICEMAIL HAS BEEN FULL, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT WORK.
SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR REACHING OUT AND THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT.
SORRY, I'M NOT THERE IN PERSON.
THANK YOU, AND I'D LIKE TO ECHO TWO.
THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO HAS COME OUT AND CONTINUE TO COME OUT.
PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT FOR THE MONTHS OF JUNE, JULY AND AUGUST, THE BOARD ONLY MEETS ONCE A MONTH, AND THAT IS ONLY ON THE SECOND TUESDAY OF THE MONTH. THOSE ARE THE ONLY THREE MONTHS WHERE WE ONLY MEET ONCE A MONTH.
OTHERWISE WE MEET THE SECOND AND FOURTH.
SO AGAIN, THANK YOU, EVERYONE.
THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERNS OUT THERE.
NEXT, I'LL GO WITH OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR COMMENTS.
I'D LIKE TO JUST HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF EVENTS ON THE COUNTY CALENDAR.
SO ON JUNE 15TH, WE'VE GOT THE HUNTER SAFETY COURSE WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.
WE ALSO HAVE THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY FARMERS MARKET.
IT'S FAMILY FUN DAY. THAT'S AT SCOTT PARK FROM 1 P.M.
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TO 5 P.M., AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE ON THE 18TH OF JUNE, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY PRIMARY ELECTION FOR THE US SENATE AND THAT'S AT ALL THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY POLLING LOCATIONS FROM 6 A.M.WE ALSO HAVE JUNETEENTH DAY HOLIDAY CELEBRATION, THE JUNE 19TH.
GOVERNMENT OFFICES AND FACILITIES WILL BE CLOSED THAT DAY.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY, AND JUST ONE LAST THING TO ADD FOR ME.
IF YOU DON'T SEE ME MOVING AROUND TOO MUCH OVER THE NEXT WEEK TO WEEK AND A HALF, I DO HAVE ANOTHER EYE SURGERY SCHEDULED FOR JUNE THE 20TH, WHICH IS NEXT THURSDAY, AND I'LL PROBABLY BE OUT OF POCKET FOR ABOUT 4 OR 5 DAYS.
[G. Public Hearings]
TO MISTER JIM CLAYTON, AND THAT WILL BE HANDLED BY MRS. ERARD, OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY.THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MS. PUDLOW. IT IS MY PLEASURE TO TALK WITH YOU THIS EVENING AND INTRODUCE A REQUEST TO PURCHASE LAND.
MR. CLAYTON AS WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING, HAS REQUESTED TO PURCHASE 0.227 MORE OR LESS OF AN ACRE, AND A PRICE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED WITH HIM.
HE IS GIVING US A RECIPROCAL EASEMENT SO THAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO OUR FACILITY.
MISS PUDLOW, CAN YOU GET THE LIGHTS? OH, THANK YOU. OH, THANK YOU.
THIS IS A DRAWING OF THE PROPOSED MEASURES ON THIS PROPERTY.
THERE WAS SOME CLEARING THAT OCCURRED ON OUR PROPERTY, AND AS STAFF DOES ON A REGULAR BASIS, THEY TRY TO WORK WITH CITIZENS TO COME UP WITH A FAIR RESOLUTION AND RATHER THAN REQUIRE REPLANTING. SINCE WE REALLY ARE NOT USING THAT PORTION OF THE LAND.
IT WAS PROPOSED AS A POSSIBILITY THAT THE 0.227 ACRES COULD BE TRANSFERRED TO MR. CLAYTON, AND SO THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT IS ONLY ABOUT THE PROPOSED TRANSFER.
HOWEVER, AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, IF THE BOARD IS INCLINED TO GRANT THE REQUEST, THERE ARE ACTUALLY THREE ITEMS IN THE RESOLUTION.
ONE IS APPROVING THE TRANSFER.
ANOTHER IS APPROVING THE BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT AND THEN ACCEPTING THE EASEMENT FROM MR. CLAYTON. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
DOES ANY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. ERARD AT THIS TIME BEFORE WE OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO, SIR, NOT AT THIS TIME.
MR. WEBB, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? NOT AT THIS TIME; I'LL WAIT. OKAY, SO, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS IS WHERE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO COME UP AND SPEAK EITHER FOR THIS REQUEST OR AGAINST THIS REQUEST.
YOU WILL HAVE YOUR I'M SORRY LET ME STOP.
MISTER CLAYTON, LET ME MAKE SURE AS THE APPLICANT, MR. CLAYTON, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WISH TO SPEAK, SAY AT THIS TIME, OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESERVE THAT IN CASE ANYBODY SAYS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO REBUTTAL? I COULD RESERVE IT. OKAY, SIR.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE IN OUR PUBLIC HEARING.
AT THIS TIME, YOU CAN COME UP TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS REQUEST.
YOU WOULD HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
SO AT THIS TIME, WE WOULD ASK IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER.
PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
MISS KNOTT, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO, SIR. MISTER VICE CHAIR.
OKAY. THANK YOU. AGAIN, I'LL ASK, IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK ON THIS MATTER AT THIS TIME? AND I'LL ASK ONE MORE TIME.
I DON'T SEE ANYBODY MOVING THIS WAY.
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OKAY. SEEING NO ONE COMING FORWARD, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THE PUBLIC INPUT TO THIS PUBLIC HEARING AND RETURN THE MATTER OVER TO THE BOARD. BACK TO THE BOARD.BOARD MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY BOARD MEMBERS THAT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THEY WOULD EITHER LIKE TO ADDRESS TO MS. ERARD AT THIS TIME? BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THAT TIME OR MISTER CLAYTON, ANY QUESTIONS TO MS. ERARD OR MISTER CLAYTON? MISTER COX, I'M.
SINCE THE LAST MEETING, WE HEARD THREE DIFFERENT STORIES, AND I STILL DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE IS RIGHT.
I ASKED FOR A SUM TO BE INCLUDED.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO ARRIVE AT A PRICE TO SELL THE LAND TO SOMEBODY WITHOUT HAVING THAT ASSESSMENT TO LOOK AT.
THAT'S BASICALLY MY QUESTIONS.
WELL, AT THE LAST MEETING WHEN WE AUTHORIZED A PUBLIC HEARING, WE ALSO STATED IN THAT MEETING THAT IF ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAD ANYTHING THEY WANTED TO ADD AS A CONDITION OR WHATEVER TO REACH OUT, AND I KNOW NO ONE'S REACHED OUT TO ME, I DO MR. WEBB HAS ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS REACHED OUT TO YOU? SINCE THE LAST MEETING ON THIS TOPIC, SIR? NEGATIVE. OKAY, SO IF THAT HAD BEEN DONE, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE GONE AROUND BECAUSE I CAN'T SAY EVERY BOARD MEMBER WAS SAYING THAT WE NEEDED TO PUT A PRICE ON IT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING.
GO AHEAD. MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT REALIZING THE MISTAKE IN WHAT MR. HOLCOMB AND THE COUNTY HAVE DISCUSSED.
HE WAS WILLING FROM NOT TALKING AHEAD OF MYSELF, HE WAS WILLING TO POUR A CONCRETE ROADWAY DOWN TO THAT PUMP STATION THAT COULD BE WOULD BE UTILIZED BY US.
WHICH WOULD MOST LIKELY OFFSET ANY COST.
YOU CAN ASK HIM TO SEE IF I'M CORRECT.
YES, I DO REMEMBER THAT BEING STATED LAST TIME, BUT, MR. CLAYTON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT? AND IF SO, PLEASE COME UP TO, IF YOU DO.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO. I'M JUST ASKING IF YOU'D LIKE TO.
THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, ORIGINALLY THE EASEMENT, IF I RECALL, WHEN I BOUGHT THE LAND THAT IS PRESENTLY OWNED BY MY FAMILY THE AGREEMENT AT THAT TIME, IT WOULD BE THAT THE COUNTY WOULD PROVIDE AN EASEMENT. I WAS GOING TO BUILD THE NEW ENTRANCE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST A CULVERT PIPE WITH GRAVEL, AND I AGREED TO BUILD A PAVED ENTRANCE.
THAT IS THE GRAY AREA GOING ON FROM THE HIGHWAY INTO THE PROPERTY.
WE WOULD ACTUALLY GO AROUND YOUR PROPERTY TO GET TO THE PART THAT WE'RE MAKING THE IMPROVEMENTS ON.
THE WAY IT LOOKS NOW, SINCE YOU WOULD BE GIVING OR TRANSFERRING THE LAND.
TO MY FAMILY, THEN WE WOULD BE GIVING AN EASEMENT TO THE COUNTY.
DOING BASICALLY THE SAME THING THAT WE HAD AGREED TO DO IN THE BEGINNING.
RIGHT, AND THAT AGREEMENT IS TO GIVE US SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THAT PUMP STATION.
OKAY, AND YOU'RE ALSO PUTTING IN THE CONCRETE ENTRANCE.
YES, MA'AM. THE GRAY AREA THERE IS GOING TO BE.
VDOT, I THINK ONCE ASPHALT PART OF IT WILL BE CONCRETE AND PART OF IT WILL BE ASPHALT.
OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. COX? I MEAN, MY QUESTION IS BASED OFF THE RESOLUTION IT'S GOT IN HERE, PAYMENT OF THE SUM OF BLANK CASH BY JAMES CLAYTON.
SO IF IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE CASHED, WHY IS IT IN THE RESOLUTION? THAT'S WHAT MY QUESTION IS.
WHY IS IT IN THERE IF IT'S IF WE DIDN'T DISCUSS THAT, WHY WAS IT INCLUDED IN THE RESOLUTION? IN THE EVENT THAT THE BOARD WANTED TO DISCUSS IT TONIGHT AND INCLUDE AN AMOUNT.
ACCORDING TO CORONER COUNTY RECORDS, THE LAND VALUE LAST YEAR ON THIS PROPERTY IS WHAT IT IS ASSESSED AT BY OUR REAL ESTATE ASSESSOR IS $20,300, AND WE'RE GOING TO CUT THAT IN HALF, CORRECT? OKAY, CUT IT IN HALF? I'M NOT FOLLOWING YOU.
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WE'VE ALREADY GOT AN ENTRANCEWAY.THERE'S AN EASEMENT, WHAT HAVE YOU.
MY QUESTION IS BY US, YOU KNOW, TRANSFERRING LAND.
WHAT IS THE COUNTY GAINING? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, MR. CLAYTON.
I MEAN, ARE YOU GOING TO PUT A FENCE UP? ARE YOU GOING TO ARE YOU ACTUALLY $10,000 WORTH OF WORK TO THAT COMPLEX? NO, SIR. I'M DOING ABOUT $35,000 WORTH OF WORK WITH THAT ENTRANCE.
OKAY. SO WE ARE PLANNING TO DO THAT AS WELL.
ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE ANY MORE TREES DOWN? JUST THE PART THAT WE'RE GOING TO ACQUIRE FROM THE COUNTY.
OKAY. OKAY, THERE'S STILL THE SETBACK LINE IS STILL THE SAME.
IT JUST CHANGED WITH THE WHERE THE LINE IS TO WHERE IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE GOING FORWARD.
OKAY. OKAY. SO I MEAN MY MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS IF YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE GOING TO PUT STORAGE BUILDINGS OVER THERE, CORRECT? YES, SIR. DO YOU REALLY WANT PINE TREES AROUND YOUR STORAGE BUILDINGS OR WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE AN EMPTY LOT? WELL THE MAJORITY.
THERE WAS ABOUT THREE LARGE TREES.
THE REST OF IT IS SCRUB STUFF ANYWAY.
OKAY, BUT THEN THE SETBACK FROM THE BUILDING TO THE PROPERTY LINE IS STILL REQUIRED TO BE TEN FEET.
OKAY, AND WE WILL BE LANDSCAPING THAT AND GRADING IT AND LANDSCAPING ACROSS THE FRONT.
OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, SIR? I DO HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION.
I KNOW WITH THE ROUNDABOUT COMING, DOES THIS AFFECT THAT IN ANY WAY? THE ROUNDABOUT? YEAH. THE ENTRANCE AND ALL.
ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, AND, MISTER CLAYTON, I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS.
I MEAN, THAT'S IT. WELL, LET ME.
YEAH. THAT'S THE SITE PLAN FROM TIMMONS GROUP.
THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO PUT ON THE GROUND.
SO WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS CONFIRMED AS AN APPROVED SITE PLAN THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE.
BECAUSE IF I DON'T, YOU AIN'T GOING TO APPROVE IT.
RIGHT. WELL, I JUST WANT IT CAPTURED.
SO WE HAVE A RECORD OF IT. THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
TO ME I THINK THAT WOULD BE IS WHAT HE'S SAYING.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S A THE NEW ENTRANCES ARE GOING TO BE OUR ENTRANCE AND BE YOUR ENTRANCE AS WELL.
IN OTHER WORDS, INSTEAD OF HAVING TWO SEPARATE ENTRANCES, WE'VE NARROWED IT DOWN TO ONE TO MAKE THE TRAVEL ALONG THAT WAY SAFER BY ONE ENTRANCE VERSUS TWO. OKAY, MISS WAYMACK, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO. THANK YOU.
MR. WEBB, DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, SIR? NO. I'M GOOD.
OKAY, I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION.
I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION AT THIS TIME, AND THERE'S ONLY A MOTION NEEDED IF IT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD TO APPROVE THIS. CORRECT.
MR. CHAIR. YES, MR. WEBB? I MOVE TO APPROVE WITH THE DISCUSSION WE JUST HAD.
MISS ANDREA CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT.
I HAVE A MOTION, AND I HAVE A SECOND, AND THIS IS TO APPROVE, AND THIS WOULD BE APPROVING THOSE THREE THINGS THAT YOU CALLED OUT THAT WERE THAT YOU CALLED OUT TO US, RIGHT, MISS? YES, SIR, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT WOULD BE APPROVING THE RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED IN THE PACKET WITH THE PAYMENT OF $0 UNLESS WE INSERT AN AMOUNT.
OKAY. YES. CAN I MAKE A QUESTION REAL QUICK, OR DO I GOTTA WAIT TILL THE DISCUSSION? NO, THIS IS A DISCUSSION.
I JUST ASK IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.
HOW MUCH REVENUE DO YOU THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET OFF OF THE BUILDINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BY ALLOWING THIS TO GO ON? JUST JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY.
MR. CLAYTON, WHAT DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE SPEC YOU'RE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, YOU ALREADY CURRENTLY OWN A COUPLE IN THE COUNTY.
THIS IS REALLY AN EXPANSION OF THAT.
YEAH. OKAY. NO, I'M JUST ASKING BEFORE I GO ON.
I GOTTA FINISH CARRYING THE MOTION.
OKAY, SO IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED, AND SECOND, TO APPROVE THIS.
MISS KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
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IT'S AN HONOR FOR US TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER IMPROVEMENT THAT I THINK YOU'LL BE PROUD OF IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY, AND IF WE CAN'T STAY, WE'VE GOT TO TRAVEL TO CINCINNATI, OHIO TONIGHT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO GET IN THE CAR AND WE'RE GOING TO BE ROLLING ALL NIGHT LONG.
YOU ALL HAVE A BLESSED EVENING, SIR.
ALL RIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT'S ON OUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
IT'S SPECIAL EXCEPTION 2404, AND THIS IS A REQUEST TO PERMIT A SPECIAL CARE HOSPITAL WITHIN A GENERAL BUSINESS B-1 ZONING DISTRICT, AND I BELIEVE, MR. GRAVES, YOU WILL BE DOING THIS ONE.
THE PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY ONE AND A HALF ACRES IN SIZE, LOCATED AT 4224 BRANCHESTER PARKWAY AND WE'VE PROVIDED THE TAX MAP NUMBER FOR THAT, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INDICATES THE PROPERTY IS PLANNED FOR COMMERCIAL USE.
WELL, THE CAN WE GET THE NEXT SLIDE, AND ON THIS SLIDE YOU CAN SEE THE AERIAL VIEW SHOWING THAT ONE AND A HALF ACRES, TREES TO THE NORTH, APARTMENTS OR CONDOS TO THE SOUTH, SINGLE FAMILY ACROSS THE STREET.
OKAY. LOOKS LIKE IT'S WORKING NOW.
SO THE APPLICANT PROVIDED THE VARIOUS DETAILS ABOUT WHAT THEY HAVE ON THE PROPERTY, BUT AGAIN, IT'S MOST MOST BASICALLY PROVIDING SERVICES DURING THE DAY FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH DEVELOPMENTAL AND INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE ADULTS AND CHILDREN IN THE LONG TERM.
YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON MAY 23RD, AND THEY VOTED 6 TO 0 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS THAT WERE THAT ARE IN THE STAFF REPORT MATERIALS, INCLUDING THE DRAFT ORDINANCE.
THE KEY CONDITIONS ARE JUST DEFINING WHAT THAT MEANS AND THAT WOULD BE A FACILITY LICENSED BY THE STATE, IF APPLICABLE, OPERATED FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING CARE, PROTECTION AND OR GUIDANCE FOR A PORTION OF A 24-HOUR DAY TO PERSONS, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED AND WHO DO NOT RESIDE IN THE FACILITY, AND THEY'LL, OF COURSE, NEED TO OBTAIN ALL REQUIRED STATE AND LOCAL LICENSES OR PERMITS. SO WITH THAT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I CAN ANSWER THEM AS STAFF, AND WE ALSO HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE. THEY'RE SEATED IN THE FRONT ROW, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM.
OKAY. THERE WERE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS.
DOES ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISTER GRAVES AT THIS TIME? DID YOU SAY THIS WAS FOR ADULTS AND CHILDREN AS WELL? YES. THEY HAVE SAID AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY ANSWERED THAT QUESTION AND THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD BE FOR ADULTS INITIALLY, AND IN THE FUTURE, THEY MAY OPEN IT UP TO CHILDREN.
DOES THAT COVER THAT? OKAY. IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, THEY CAN COME UP.
ALL RIGHT, BUT INITIALLY IT WILL BE ADULTS.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, AND HOW MANY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING.
SO CURRENTLY WE'RE SERVING ABOUT 19 OR 20 INDIVIDUALS, AND THAT IS IN THE PETERSBURG AREA.
WE DON'T CURRENTLY KNOW THE CODE AND COMPLIANCE, THE OCCUPANCY OF THAT BUILDING TO SERVE THE INDIVIDUALS OR THE ADULTS BUT I GUESS IT WOULD BE BASED ON WHATEVER THE OCCUPANCY WILL ALLOW FOR US IN THAT SPACE, AND WHAT ARE THE HOURS? WHAT WILL THEY BE? OUR HOURS WOULD BE TYPICALLY FROM 7 A.M.
INITIALLY IT WOULD BE FROM 7 TO 3 WITH ADULTS BECAUSE OUR SERVICE WILL BE GEARED.
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IF IT WAS CHILDREN, IT WOULD BE AFTER SCHOOL.SO, AND HOW MANY CAREGIVERS WILL YOU HAVE THERE? SO OUR STAFFING IS DETERMINED BY RATIOS.
SO IT WOULD DETERMINE IT WOULD BE DETERMINED MOSTLY BY THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS THAT WE HAVE, BUT WE CURRENTLY OPERATE WITH A 1 TO 4 RATIO, AND THEN HOW WILL THE TRANSPORTATION BE PROVIDED.
SO WE ACTUALLY ARE TRANSPORTATION PROVIDERS.
SO WE PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION TO AND FROM FOR OUR INDIVIDUALS, FROM THE RESIDENTIAL FACILITIES INTO THE PROGRAM, BUT THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE RECIPIENTS, THEY ALSO HAVE MEDICAID WAIVERS SO THEY CAN USE MEDICAID TRANSPORTATION AS WELL.
OKAY, AND ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE LOTS OF ACTIVITIES FOR THEM? YES, THAT'S OUR GOAL.
WE ARE A COMMUNITY-BASED PROGRAM.
YES. THANK YOU. YOU SAID YOU HAD A FACILITY IN PETERSBURG CURRENTLY? YES. WHICH ONE IS THAT? WE'RE OFF OF CRATER ROAD IN PETERSBURG.
WE'VE BEEN OPERATING SINCE 2007.
ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU.
SO EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE INSIDE CURRENTLY.
YES. SO THAT FACILITY, WE ARE A CENTER BASED AND NON CENTER BASED SERVICE.
SO OUR GOAL IS TO DO USE COMMUNITY RESOURCES, ANYTHING OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.
OCCASIONALLY OUR SERVICES WOULD BE OUTSIDE, BUT THAT WOULD BE A COOKOUT OR AN ACTIVITY, BUT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE BASED OUTSIDE, AND THE REASON I'M ASKING THAT, I KNOW WE GOT CHIEF EARLY IN HERE WE HAVE LET'S SAY WE GOT SOME LEAD FOOTS THAT COME DOWN THROUGH BRANCHESTER PARKWAY AT TIMES. GOTCHA. YES, SIR.
I'D BE WORRIED THAT SOMEBODY WOULD BE ABLE TO GET AWAY AND POSSIBLY GET INTO TRAFFIC.
THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. YES, SIR, AND WHEN THEY'RE OUT, SOMEBODY WILL BE SUPERVISED.
ABSOLUTELY. YES, WE ARE SUPERVISED PROGRAM, CORRECT.
IS THAT ALL, SIR? THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT, YEAH.
OKAY. MR. WEBB, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE OPEN THIS UP FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO, SIR. THANK YOU.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AT THIS TIME, THIS IS OUR SECOND PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS IS REGARDING SPECIAL EXCEPTION 2401 WITH THE REQUEST FOR A RESIDENTIAL.
THIS IS THE REQUEST TO PERMIT A SPECIAL CARE HOSPITAL WITHIN A GENERAL BUSINESS B-1 ZONE AT THIS TIME, IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM, PLEASE MAKE YOUR WAY TO THE PODIUM.
AGAIN, I'LL ASK, IS THERE ANYONE AT THIS TIME THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK AT THIS PUBLIC INPUT, PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER? OKAY, I SEE NO ONE MOVING.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME? SEEING NO ONE MAKING THEIR WAY THIS WAY.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC INPUT PORTION OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING AND RETURN THIS MATTER BACK OVER TO THE BOARD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, AND WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE AT THIS TIME, BOARD? I VOTE I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE IT WITH THE EXCEPTION AS WRITTEN, AND COME BACK IN A YEAR'S TIME AND REEVALUATE TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S ABOVE PAR.
IS THAT I'M LOOKING AT YOU BECAUSE THAT'S NOT NORMALLY WHAT WE DO.
MR. PUGH, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT IT HAVE A ONE YEAR EXPIRATION? YES. I DON'T KNOW.
IS THAT SOMETHING LEGAL THAT WE CAN DO? I'VE NEVER HEARD IT. I'VE NEVER HEARD US PUT A STIPULATION LIKE THAT ON A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I'M ASKING.
IT IS A CONDITION THAT IS SOMETIMES INCLUDED.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'VE JUST HAD A MOTION SO FAR FOR APPROVAL, BUT WITH A STIPULATION OF A ONE YEAR EXPIRATION ON THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION. SECOND.
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WOULD EXPIRE IN ONE YEAR.IS THERE ANY QUESTION? MISS KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? OKAY, THE MOTION IS CARRIED.
WE'RE NOW MOVING TO OUR POSTPONED ITEM THAT WAS POSTPONED FROM OUR PREVIOUS MEETING.
[H. Postponed Items]
THIS WAS SPECIAL EXCEPTION 2401, WHICH IS A REQUEST WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO PERMIT AN EXTRACTION OF OF NATURAL RESOURCES.YES, SIR, AND GOOD EVENING ONCE AGAIN.
SO THIS ITEM WAS POSTPONED FROM FROM THE LAST BOARD MEETING WE HELD.
WE DID THE STAFF REPORT, AND YOU HELD A PUBLIC HEARING.
I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
OKAY. BOARD MEMBERS, THIS IS NOT BACK OPEN FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, AS WE'VE ALREADY HAD THAT ON THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION. I WILL SAY MISTER ELLIS, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY AT THIS TIME BEFORE WE TALK MORE ABOUT THIS? OKAY. THANK YOU SIR.
SO, BOARD MEMBERS WHAT'S WHAT'S WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE HERE? LOOKING FOR ONE THING I SAW IN HERE.
IF THE BOARD'S PLEASURE IS TO APPROVE, THEN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION WITH THE CONDITIONS AS OUTLINED IN THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE IN ORDER.
IF THE BOARD'S PLEASURE IS NOT TO APPROVE A MOTION TO DENY THE REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR REASONS SUCH AS IMPACT ON A NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES AND LACK OF COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
I'M TRYING TO GO BACK AND FIND IT, OF COURSE, BECAUSE I WANTED.
I CAN'T FIND IT. I JUST WANT TO GET CLARIFICATION.
THOSE HAVE BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.
MR. ELLIS, ARE YOU AWARE OF WHAT HE'S SPEAKING OF? NO, SIR, I AM NOT. OKAY.
I'M SORRY. MR. WEBB, DID YOU HAVE ANY INPUT? AS MR. COX IS LOOKING FOR THIS.
YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I COULD BE WRONG, THAT IN ORDER TO FINISH GETTING SOME OF HIS PERMITS, HE NEEDS TO HAVE THIS EXEMPTION TO BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR IT.
IF I'M WRONG, MS. ERARD, CORRECT ME.
OKAY, AND I JUST FOUND THAT OUT A DAY OR TWO AGO, TOO.
I WAS NOT, I WAS THINKING ALL OF THE PERMITS AND STUFF HAD TO BE IN PLACE BEFORE WE DEALT WITH THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION, BUT I LEARNED THAT SAME THING AS WELL, THAT HE HAS TO HAVE THIS APPROVED IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THE PROCESS FOR GETTING SOME OF HIS OTHER PERMITS AND THINGS APPROVED.
SO, AND MR. CHAIRMAN, ONE FINAL THING.
THE BOARD IS NOT REQUIRED TO ACT ON THIS, THIS EVENING.
I KNOW IT'S CONTINUED FROM THE LAST MEETING, BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT IF ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION IS DESIRED, THAT'S POSSIBLE.
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THANK YOU FOR THAT INPUT. I'M BY PRESIDING TONIGHT.I'M NOT TAKING THE LEAD ON PUTTING A MOTION OUT BECAUSE I HAVE TO CARRY THIS.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS.
WHAT'S YOUR WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? SHE'S GIVEN US THREE OPTIONS.
I'M SORRY. YOU COME FROM ONE OF OUR DEPARTMENTS? WAS IT AN EMAIL? NO, IT WAS IN THE PAPERWORK WE GOT.
YOU REMEMBER? I DON'T KNOW WHAT.
OKAY. MISS BLOUNT IS HERE FROM THE.
ENVIRONMENTAL SIDE OF OUR ADMINISTRATION.
WOULD YOU COME UP FOR A MOMENT, PLEASE AND AS A BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANYTHING TO ASK HER IN REGARDS TO THAT BECAUSE SHE MAY BE ABLE TO SHED SOME LIGHT ON SOME THINGS. ARE YOU AWARE OF WHAT MR. COX IS SPEAKING OF? I AM NOT. GOOD EVENING, VICE CHAIR BROWN.
GOOD EVENING, MR. ROTH. MISS PARTLOW, EVERYONE ASSEMBLED.
I AM THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAM COORDINATOR FOR THE COUNTY, AND I AM NOT AWARE OF WHAT MR. COX IS SPEAKING OF.
OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER ON ANYTHING? MR. COX, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DEFER IT UNTIL NEXT MONTH IN ORDER TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO LOCATE THAT? I HATE TO DO THAT.
SO I'M READING SOMETHING, MR. COX, AND I THINK THIS MIGHT BE WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
THE LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT WILL BE ISSUED FOR THIS SITE UNTIL EVIDENCE OF THE PERMIT IS SUBMITTED.
THAT IT'S ACTUALLY A PORTION OF IT.
WE DO NOT RELEASE THOSE PERMITS IF WE HAVE OTHER AND MOST OF THE TIME IT'S STATE AGENCIES.
THAT'S RIGHT. WE WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE THOSE PERMITS IN PLACE BEFORE WE RELEASE.
OKAY. JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S A CHECKS AND BALANCES.
RIGHT. YEAH, AND THE APPROVAL OF THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION WOULD BE PART OF WHAT YOU WOULD BE WAITING ON BEFORE YOU COULD APPROVE THAT, CORRECT? YES, SIR. BECAUSE IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION WOULD ALLOW THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY.
YES, MA'AM. IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
GOTCHA. HAVE YOU DONE A SITE VISIT? I HAVE. IS EVERYTHING UP TO PAR WITH YOU? EVERYBODY'S IN COMPLIANCE, HAPPY GO LUCKY? WELL, WHEN I WENT TO THE SITE VISIT WE DID HAVE QUESTIONS AND I THINK IT'S ALL THERE WITHIN THE WRITE UP, BUT EVERYTHING'S WHOLE NOW.
EVERYTHING'S BEEN MADE WHOLE WITH PRINCE GEORGE? EVERYTHING SHOULD BE AS RIGHT NOW AS WE STAND RIGHT NOW, THERE IS A CONSERVATION PLAN.
HAS THAT PLAN BEEN FILED WITH THE COUNTY? THAT PLAN HAS BEEN FILED WITH THE COUNTY.
IT'S ACTUALLY A PLAN THAT'S WRITTEN THROUGH JAMES RIVER SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
OKAY, AND I ACTUALLY REFERRED MR. ELLIS AS WELL AS THE PROPERTY OWNER IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PROPERTY OWNER BECAUSE SHE DOES HAVE AN ACTIVE FARM, AND THERE ARE SO MANY PROGRAMS THERE THAT WILL EXEMPT FROM OUR REQUIREMENT FOR LAND DISTURBANCE.
YES, MA'AM. OKAY, BOARD MEMBERS, I NEED SOME DIRECTION.
I'VE GOT VESTED INTEREST AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, MY FAMILY OWNS A CAPYBARA PIT, AND I'VE ALSO DONE BUSINESS WITH MR. ELLIS, SO I DON'T THINK IT'D BE FAIR FOR ME TO VOTE [INAUDIBLE].
I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND THAT I NEED TO LEAN ON THE REST OF THE BOARD.
I NEED TO I NEED TO KNOW WHETHER YOU WANT TO APPROVE THIS, DENY THIS, OR DEFER THIS.
MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR, MR. WEBB. BASED ON WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED AND THE CONDITIONS DISCUSSED, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
OKAY. IT'S BEEN MOVED TO APPROVE.
THAT'S WHAT THE CONDITIONS IS OUTLINED, CORRECT, MR. WEBB? YES, MA'AM.
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OKAY. I SECOND.YOU'RE READY FOR THE QUESTION.
MRS. KNOTT. WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? OKAY. SO THE MOTION IS CARRIED ON THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION 2401.
NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS OUR REPORTS, AND FIRST UP IS MISS CRYSTAL SMITH FROM VDOT.
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GOOD EVENING MA'AM.YOUR PROJECTS ARE STILL ONGOING.
WE'VE GOT PLANT, MIXED SLURRY SEAL AND LATEX.
THE SLURRY SEAL AND LATEX ARE NOW COMPLETE.
THE PLANT MIX IS STILL UNDERWAY.
THEY'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON JEFFERSON PARK AND CROSSINGS BOULEVARD.
EDGELINE RUMBLE STRIPS ARE PLANNED FOR ROUTE TEN.
THAT'S GOING TO BE FROM JORDAN POINT TO THE SUSSEX COUNTY LINE, AND THAT IS JUST EDGE LINES.
AS YOU'LL RECALL SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THE BOARD REQUESTED THE CENTER LINE MUMBLES.
SO THIS WILL ADD ON TO THAT SAFETY MEASURE AND WE'LL BE DOING THE EDGE LINE.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, I DID WANT TO UPDATE THE BOARD ON THE CONCERNS WITH WAGNER AND 301.
I HAVE SHARED SOME CONCERNS THAT WERE PRESENTED AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING WITH VARIOUS VDOT STAFF MEMBERS AT VARIOUS LEVELS OF THE AGENCY, TO TRY TO SEE IF THERE'S SOME BRAINSTORMING THAT CAN BE DONE, TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY WAY FOR VDOT TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY OF PETERSBURG.
SO IF I HEAR ANY UPDATES ON THAT, I WILL LET THE BOARD KNOW.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR TONIGHT.
ANYTHING FOR ME? DOES ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANYTHING FOR MISS SMITH? QUICK QUESTION.
WHEN ARE WE COMING BACK AND PAVING THAT? THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE DURING CONSTRUCTION.
THAT WILL BE AFTER THE CONSTRUCTION OF GOLF COURT IS COMPLETE.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE DITCH LINE THAT WE FIXED, AND WE'VE GOT THE I'M NOT SURE THAT WE PLAN TO PAVE THAT DITCH LINE AT ALL, BUT WE STILL GOT ORANGE BARRELS SITTING IN THE DITCH LINE, AND IT'S STILL FORCING PEOPLE OUT INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD TO GO AROUND THE CORNER.
SO THE MAINTENANCE PART OF THE OF THE SOIL DITCH PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE COMPLETE.
THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH, IT IS STILL PROBABLY A LITTLE WET IN THERE, BUT I'LL TALK TO THEM ABOUT MAKING SURE IT DOESN'T GET OVERSIGHT AND THAT IT'S ADDRESSED.
OKAY. MR. WEBB, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? MR. WEBB, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR MISS SMITH? NO, SIR, I DON'T. THANK YOU, MR. SMITH. THANK YOU.
ENJOY YOUR VACATION, MR. PUGH. NOTHING.
NOTHING AT THIS TIME, MISS WAYMACK.
MISS WAYMACK, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR HER? NO, I DON'T, THANK YOU.
NEITHER DO I. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HAVE A GOOD EVENING. NEXT UNDER OUR REPORTS IS OUR PETERSBURG AREA TRANSIT BUS ROUTE DISCUSSION, AND THIS WILL BE WITH DARIUS MASON, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
GOOD EVENING, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
GOOD EVENING. ALSO CITIZENS OF PRINCE GEORGE.
SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS WELL WARRANTED FOR THIS COUNTY.
I HAVE SOME GUESTS WITH ME TONIGHT.
MY STAFF. I HAVE MISTER LESTER STEVENSON, WHO IS MY OPERATIONS MANAGER.
I HAVE MICHAEL EDWARDS, WHO IS ONE OF OUR TRANSIT SUPERVISORS, AND I HAVE ONE OF YOUR OWN PRINCE GEORGE RESIDENTS, MISS CYNTHIA BANKS, WHO IS OUR PARATRANSIT SUPERVISOR, WHO IS A RESIDENT OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.
MISS BANKS, IF YOU CAN STAND FOR HIM.
SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO TONIGHT IS TALK.
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HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT TRANSPORTATION.YES. YES. PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY, OUR NEIGHBORING COUNTY OF FRIENDS.
PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY HAS A PART OF PETERSBURG AREA TRANSPORTATION.
MCDONALD'S OFF OF WAGNER ROAD, PART OF PRINCE GEORGE.
I STARTED OUT WITH THE CITY OF PETERSBURG IN 2005 AS A BUS DRIVER, AND I NOTICED A LOT OF RESIDENTS.
SOME OF THE PLANTS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE, I SEE THEM COMING DOWN WAGNER ROAD FROM PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.
SO WE WANT TO KIND OF PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING THAT WE THINK PRINCE GEORGE WILL BE KIND OF PROUD OF, OR SOMETHING THAT I THINK WOULD OPEN YOUR EYES AS FAR AS TRANSPORTATION FOR YOUR CITIZENS. SO WHAT DOES TRANSPORTATION DO FOR THE COUNTY OF PRINCE GEORGE? TYPICALLY, A BUS ROUTE WILL COST US 400,000 TO $800,000 TO OPERATE.
RIGHT NOW THE COUNTY OF PRINCE GEORGE, LIKE I SAID, DOES NOT HAVE ANY TRANSPORTATION.
WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS CHANGE THAT.
I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE A COPY OF THE PRESENTATION THAT WE HAVE HERE I'M GOING TO PUT TOGETHER.
ALL RIGHT, SO CURRENT BUS STATUS.
IN THE CITY OF PETERSBURG, PETERSBURG AREA TRANSIT CURRENTLY SERVES RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES, VISITORS OF HOPEWELL, COLONIAL HEIGHTS, RICHMOND, MCGUIRE VETERANS HOSPITAL AND THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES OF PRINCE GEORGE AND DINWIDDIE AS A PROVEN LEADER IN PROVIDING TRANSPORTATION SERVICE TO THE SOUTHERN REGION OF VIRGINIA, WE BELIEVE THAT BUS SERVICE RECONSTRUCTION WILL BE A HUGE SUCCESS FOR THE COUNTY OF PRINCE GEORGE AND THE CITY OF PETERSBURG, VIRGINIA.
SO WITH THIS, OUR OTHER NEIGHBORING COUNTY OR CITY, CITY OF HOPEWELL.
IN 2014, WE DID A DEMONSTRATION ROUTE WITHIN THE CITY OF HOPEWELL.
DEMONSTRATION ROUTE FOR THREE YEARS WITH THE COST.
AFTER THAT THREE YEAR PERIOD, THE CITY OF HOPEWELL HAD TO DECIDE, WAS THIS ROUTE SUFFICIENT, WAS IT EFFECTIVE AND COULD WE PUT THIS IN OUR BUDGET? AFTER THAT THREE YEARS, THAT ROUTE REALLY GREW.
THE CITY OF HOPEWELL PAYS FOR THAT ROUTE NOW, AND THEY HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR THAT ROUTE SINCE 2014.
LIKE I SAID, THIS IS CALLED A DEMONSTRATION ROUTE.
DIFFERENT WITH THIS SITUATION WE ALREADY HAVE THE ROUTE IN PLACE, SO IT WOULDN'T BE CALLED A DEMONSTRATION ROUTE.
THIS WOULD BE AN EXTENSION TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO THE COUNTY OF PRINCE GEORGE.
OUR 460 COUNTY ROUTE BUS GOES UP AND DOWN 460 COUNTY DRIVE.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE SAID WE'RE ALREADY HERE IN PRINCE GEORGE.
LET'S SEE IF WE CAN VEIN OUR ROUTES OUT TO GET PEOPLE TO EMPLOYMENT, DOCTORS, YOU KNOW, SHOPPING.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER THAT I THINK WILL WILL BE A PLUS TO HELP.
WHAT AM I DOING? OH, LET ME GO BACK.
AGAIN, PITTSBURGH AREA TRANSIT WITH THE APPROVAL OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY, AND THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION, WOULD CONSIDER RECONSTRUCTING AND REROUTING ITS 460 COUNTY DRIVE BUS ROUTE TO BECOME A POTENTIAL EXPRESS THAT WILL PROVIDE SERVICE TO MAJOR POINTS WITHIN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.
ALSO WITH A FIXED ROUTE WITHIN THE COUNTY.
IT ALSO OPENED ITS DOORS FOR OUR PARATRANSIT SERVICES WITHIN THE COUNTY.
OUR PARATRANSIT SERVICES IS DOOR TO DOOR SERVICE FOR PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES, ELDERLY INDIVIDUALS.
NOW, IF YOU THINK OF IT, YOU MIGHT SAY, OKAY, SO IF WE'RE GOING TO CONSTRUCT A ROUTE THAT WILL SERVICE PARTS OF OUR ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDINGS PARTS OF SOUTHPOINT INDUSTRIAL PARK, WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY? WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S CALLED MICRO-TRANSIT THAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO, AND WE ALSO HAVE IT'S CALLED BODY ON CHASSIS BUSSES.
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WE CAN LEAVE A BUS WITHIN THE COUNTY AND JUST MAKE IT CAN DO LOOPS WITHIN THE COUNTY OF PRINCE GEORGE, AND THIS SITE COULD ACTUALLY BE A CONNECTING POINT TO GET INDIVIDUALS TO THE CITY OF PETERSBURG, COLONIAL HEIGHTS, RICHMOND, MCGUIRE VETERANS HOSPITAL.IT'S ALL IN VEINS OF HOW YOU RUN YOUR ROUTES AGAIN.
LIKE I SAID, THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION THAT WE WANTED TO BRING TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION, AND I THINK IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP THE COUNTY GROW.
ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE PUT TOGETHER.
OPERATIONS MANAGER, MR. STEVENSON PUT TOGETHER EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THIS EXTENSION OF THE ROUTE AGAIN, THE PRINCE GEORGE COURTHOUSE, THIS, THIS AREA RIGHT HERE SOUTHPOINT BUSINESS PARK, EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES.
YOU HAVE PERDUE, UNITED STATES COLD STORAGE YOU HAVE GOYA, SAM'S CLUB WORLDWIDE, AMAZON.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE JUST PUT TOGETHER AND THIS IS JUST MOCK.
IF THAT BUS CAME TO THIS, THIS AREA, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE BUS STOPS.
WE WOULD COME WITHIN THE COUNTY OF PRINCE GEORGE.
I MEAN SOUTHPOINT BUSINESS PARK ALSO.
STILL IN SOUTHPOINT BUSINESS PARK, NUMEROUS PLANTS WITHIN THAT AREA.
AGAIN, MORE STOPS WITHIN SOUTHPOINT BUSINESS PARK, AND WE ALSO TOOK IT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE PUT THIS TOGETHER, WE HAD OUR SAFETY COORDINATOR ON THE ACTUAL VAN WITH US AS WE RODE THIS, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE STOPS WERE PUT IN PLACES THAT CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, OF THE COUNTY OR EVEN CITIZENS OF PETERSBURG, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE RESIDENTS OF PETERSBURG, HOPEWELL, DINWIDDIE THAT CAN BE EMPLOYED AT THESE PLACES, BEING THAT WE CAN GET TRANSPORTATION TO THESE DIFFERENT PLANTS OUT HERE.
AGAIN MORE STOPS WITHIN THE SOUTHPOINT BUSINESS PARK.
SO WHAT I DO NOW IS YOU SAY OR YOU ASK, SO, MR. MASON, WHAT IS THIS GOING TO COST PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY? RIGHT NOW OUR BUS SERVICE IS FARE FREE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF TRANSIT TRANSIT ENTITIES THAT HAVE FARE FREE SERVICE RIGHT NOW.
WE'VE BEEN FARE FREE SINCE 2020 ONCE COVID HIT.
AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, IT COST US $400,000 TO $500,000, MAYBE $800,000.
SOMETIMES, DEPENDING ON WHAT ROUTE, YOU HAVE TO OPERATE A BUS ROUTE.
$200 AN HOUR IS OUR BASE SALARY FOR OPERATING THE BUS RATE, BUS ROUTE.
THAT'S AN HOURLY RATE OF WHAT IT COST TO PAY FOR A BUS ROUTE.
THE BUS ROUTE IS IN COUNTY DRIVERS ALREADY IN SERVICE.
SO AGAIN, IT WOULD BE AN EXTENSION TO THE COUNTY OF PRINCE GEORGE.
$19,000 FOR ONE YEAR OR YEARLY, A YEARLY RATE OF $19,000, $1,600 A MONTH IS JUST ADDED ON COST THAT WE WILL SEND TO THE COUNTY OF PRINCE GEORGE.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE DON'T WANT TO PUT A STRAIN ON ANYONE'S BUDGET.
AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DONE FOR HOPEWELL.
WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE 2014, AND NOW THEY PAY COMPLETELY FOR THAT BUS ROUTE.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO FOR RICHARD BLAND COLLEGE.
WE STARTED THIS AUGUST OF 2023 LAST YEAR WE STARTED PROVIDING SERVICE TO RICHARD BLAND COLLEGE.
SO I'LL ENTERTAIN, AND THE QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MAY HAVE.
DO ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MASON? NO, SIR.
ARE THOSE LITTLE BUS STOPS, DO YOU PROVIDE ANY SHELTERS FOR THE NOW, THE SHELTER OR BUS?
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ONLY THING THAT WE CAN PROVIDE WITHIN THE COUNTY ARE THE BUS STOP SIGNS.THAT HAS TO BE THE JURISDICTIONS ARE DOING THERE.
ONLY THING WE CAN PROVIDE IS WE CAN PROVIDE THE BUS STOP SIGNS AND WHATNOT AND THE POLES.
I MEAN I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA, BUT I REALLY WOULD WONDER IS THERE SOME WAY WE COULD SURVEY THE INDUSTRIAL PARK AREA TO FIND OUT WHAT THE RIDERSHIP WOULD POTENTIALLY BE? PEOPLE FROM, YOU KNOW, BRINGING EMPLOYEES INTO THE COUNTY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I CAN SEE IT FOR, IS BRINGING EMPLOYEES INTO THE COUNTY FROM THE CITY THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TRANSPORTATION. MUST BE A GOOD WAY TO DRIVE TO CATCH A BUS AND RIDE RIGHT TO WORK.
GOOD IDEA. YEAH. I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, TO SURVEY THAT WOULD BE GOOD, BUT IT MAY NOT GIVE US A REAL GOOD INDICATION BECAUSE I THINK THIS WOULD BE A HUGE I THINK IF YOU MENTIONED THIS TO THE BUSINESSES OVER IN THE BUSINESS PARK, THEY WOULD BE ELATED.
THEY WOULD BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO GIVE THEM A BIGGER AUDIENCE OF PEOPLE TO HAVE AS EMPLOYEES VERSUS, YOU KNOW, IF WE SURVEY IT TODAY, YOU'RE PROBABLY ONLY GOING TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ALREADY WORKING OVER THERE THAT WOULD THAT WOULD TAKE THAT ROUTE VERSUS WHAT COULD THIS POTENTIALLY DO FOR BUSINESSES THAT WE BRING IN THAT'S LOOKING FOR THAT WORKFORCE AND AND I THINK ALSO IT GIVES ANOTHER ADVANTAGE OF GETTING PEOPLE OUT TO, YOU KNOW, GETTING PEOPLE TO THE VETERANS HOSPITAL FROM HERE.
YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT LIFE TOTALLY DIFFERENT NOW.
I HAVEN'T DRIVEN IN ALMOST A YEAR BECAUSE OF MY VISION ISSUES.
SO I DEPEND ON MY WIFE TO GET ME ANY AND EVERYWHERE.
SO HAVING THAT, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THAT AS A, AS ANOTHER OPTION, IF I NEEDED TO GET TO SOMETHING WITHOUT HAVING TO BURDEN HER ALL THE TIME, I PERSONALLY THINK THIS IS A WONDERFUL THING FOR US TO AT LEAST HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ON.
I AGREE. TELL MY BUDDY MAYOR [INAUDIBLE] GIVE ME A CALL.
YEAH, HE'LL KNOW. HE'LL KNOW ME.
JUST TELL HIM FLOYD BROWN SAID TO CALL HIM.
ALL RIGHT. MR. WEBB, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ASK OR ADD TO THIS CONVERSATION? YES, SIR, I GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
YES, SIR. NUMBER ONE, WHAT'S THE FUEL SOURCE FOR THESE BUSSES? IS IT DIESEL? GAS? ELECTRIC? WE HAVE DIESEL AND GAS BUSSES.
ALL RIGHT, AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, WITH ALL THE GO GREEN AND EVERYTHING ELSE GOING ON IN PARTNERING, ARE THERE ANY GRANTS OUT HERE THAT WOULD HELP OR THAT COULD BE APPLIED TO HELP NECESSITATE THIS TEST RUN? BECAUSE THE RIDERSHIP AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT REALLY IS ALL GOING TO BOIL DOWN TO WHETHER YOU'RE PICKING UP TWO PEOPLE PER STOP OR 15 PEOPLE PER STOP, WHETHER IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE ENVIRONMENT OR CUTTING DOWN CARS ON THE ROAD OR WHATEVER.
IT'S JUST AN EXTENSION TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO THE COUNTY.
SO THERE WOULDN'T BE A GRANT ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
OKAY, AND THE QUESTION, I THINK MISS WAYMACK SOMEBODY ASKED THE COUNTY WOULD MOST LIKELY BE OR SHOULD BE REQUIRED IF WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN THIS ROUTE TO PUT UP SOME TYPE OF SHELTERS BECAUSE THE INCLEMENT WEATHER.
I'M WILLING TO LISTEN TO MORE TO IT.
I JUST DON'T HAVE ALL MY THOUGHTS TOGETHER RIGHT NOW.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE THE CURRENT RATE STRUCTURE AS FAR AS WHAT? A STOP COST TO BUILD WITH THE WITH THE PARK BENCH? WITH THE. A BUS STOP.
A BUS STOP WITH A BENCH, SHELTER AND PAD.
YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT $15,000, AND HOW MANY BUS STOPS IS THIS ONE PROPOSED? HOW MANY STOPS? WELL, THERE ARE ABOUT NINE BUS STOPS WITHIN SOUTHPOINT BUSINESS PARK AND WE WANTED TO DO TWO ON THIS SITE. SO 11 STOPS TOTAL.
YES, AND THAT COULD BE, LIKE I SAID, THAT COULD CHANGE.
THIS IS JUST A JUST A DISCUSSION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OUR BIGGEST THING IS WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE BOARD MEMBERS OF THE BOARD TO ACTUALLY COME TO PETERSBURG, AND WE COULD VENTURE OUT AND ACTUALLY DRIVE THE ROUTE BECAUSE YOU MIGHT SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS MIGHT BE A BETTER STOP, YOU KNOW, OR THIS SHOULD BE A BETTER STOP.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW WE DID IT WITH THE CITY OF HOPEWELL.
WE GOT THE CITY COUNCIL TOGETHER, PUT THEM ON A BUS, AND WE RODE THE ROUTE, AND THEY PICKED EACH BUS STOP FOR THAT CITY, AND IT'S BEEN A SUCCESS EVER SINCE.
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I MEAN, HIGH NUMBERS WITHIN THAT.THE CITY OF HOPEWELL WITH THAT BUS ROUTE.
THE OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, SIR. MR. CHAIR.
I GOT ONE MORE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT THINKING TOO DEEP INTO THIS.
OKAY. YOU SAID THE RANGE WAS LIKE FROM 40 TO 800,000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND IS THAT BASED BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT CHARGING YOUR RIDERSHIP? YES.
BASED ON HOW MANY STOPS OR HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU'RE CARRYING.
IT'S NOT BASED ON STOPS OR WE ARE GRANT FUNDED.
TRANSIT DOES NOT DEPEND ON REVENUE, ACTUALLY, BECAUSE WE'RE A GRANT FUNDED, WE'RE STATE AND GRANT FUNDED, AND IT COST US ROUGHLY BETWEEN 400,000 TO $800,000 TO OPERATE A BUS ROUTE.
AGAIN, WE'RE JUST GIVING A FRACTION OF THAT COST TO THE COUNTY WITH $19,000 $1,600 A MONTH.
I FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BURDEN A BUDGET, BUT WE WANT TO GET TRANSPORTATION WITHIN THE COUNTY OF PRINCE GEORGE TO MOVE CITIZENS TO AND FROM TO GET YOUR CITIZENS WITHIN THE CITY OF PETERSBURG, WITHIN THE CITY OF RICHMOND.
WE ALSO HAVE GREYHOUND THAT COMES OUT OF OUR STATION IN PETERSBURG.
SO WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO THE RIDERSHIP IS FREE? YES, WE ARE FARE FREE.
WE HAVE BEEN FARE FREE SINCE COVID.
OKAY, AND PETERSBURG'S PERCENTAGE WOULD BE ROUGHLY ABOUT THE SAME PER RIDERSHIP AS PRINCE GEORGE.
YES. THAT YOU'RE ASKING REQUESTING? YES. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I GOT, MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
YEAH, I CAN TELL YOU, BEING THE BEING THE CHAIR REPRESENTING PRINCE GEORGE FOR THE CRATER WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT BOARD, THEY THEY'RE OUT IN THAT OLD TOUCHSTONE BUILDING OUT THERE OFF OF 36 IN THE PRINCE GEORGE PARK.
YES. I MEAN, THIS WOULD BE MUSIC TO THEIR EARS TO BE ABLE TO GET PEOPLE THAT COME IN LOOKING FOR JOBS AND BE ABLE TO GET THEM TRANSPORTATION TO THAT.
SO IN THAT COST, IS THAT IS THAT JUST AN INITIAL COST FOR A YEAR? AND THEN AFTER THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A DIFFERENT COST THAT COST WOULD NOT CHANGE, OKAY.
IT'S ALREADY IN EXISTENCE. IF THIS WAS A IF THIS WAS A DEMONSTRATION ROUTE WHERE THERE WASN'T A BUS THAT TRAVELED COUNTY DRIVE AT ALL, THEN WE COULD SAY, OKAY COUNTY PRINCE GEORGE, I'M SORRY.
WE COULD SAY, OKAY PRINCE GEORGE, WE'RE GOING TO DO A DEMONSTRATION ROUTE FOR THREE YEARS.
IT'LL COST YOU THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY.
AFTER THAT THREE YEARS, YOU HAVE TO DECIDE.
THE COUNTY TO CONTINUE WITH THIS ROUTE THERE, AND WHAT WE DID WITH HOPEWELL, WE DID.
PUT A SURVEY OUT TO ALL THE BUSINESSES OUT THERE TO SEE WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO UTILIZE THEIR TRANSPORTATION NOW, I MEAN, THOSE SOME OF THOSE PLANTS OUT THERE, THEY HIRE AND AGAIN, INDIVIDUALS DO NOT HAVE TRANSPORTATION TO GET THERE.
OKAY, AND SINCE BOTH OF THESE OTHER COMPANIES ARE OFF OF 460, IS THERE A POTENTIAL FOR THAT TO MAYBE EXTEND OUT TO THE FOOD LION DISTRIBUTION CENTER AND STANDARD MOTORS? IT'S GREAT THAT YOU SAID THAT.
I ACTUALLY HAVE A ROUTE THAT'S CALLED THE WAVERLY WAKEFIELD ROUTE.
OKAY. I PUT IT TOGETHER ALMOST FOUR YEARS AGO.
WAKEFIELD HAD I THINK A TORNADO THAT DID SOME DAMAGE THERE AND AND THINGS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, FELL THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE GAP AND IT NEVER GOT, YOU KNOW, CAME TO FILTRATION AND WHATNOT, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE EXTENDED.
OKAY, AND WOULD YOU BE LOOKING FOR US IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE, YOU KNOW, GOT FURTHER INTO? WOULD THERE BE LIKE YOU'D WANT US TO LIKE, SIGN UP FOR A YEAR WITH RENEWABLE OPTIONS OR THAT'S, THAT'S WE CAN DO THAT.
WE CAN DO A CONTRACT FOR A YEAR.
WE CAN DO A CONTRACT MONTH TO MONTH.
IT DEPENDS ON HOW PRINCE GEORGE WANTS THE SERVICE.
ALL RIGHT. MISS, MISS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE BOARD'S CONSENT IF EVERYBODY'S AGREEMENT, I'D LIKE TO HAVE STAFF LOOK MORE INTO THIS WITH MR. MASON AND AND BRING US BACK SOME MORE INFORMATION SO WE CAN HAVE SOME MORE DISCUSSION ON GUYS.
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OKAY. WITH THAT, JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION.SO WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY $1 MILLION INVESTMENT FOR ONE YEAR.
NO, YOU SAID 400 TO 800,000 FOR A BUS.
THAT'S WHAT IT COSTS US. SO YOU'RE NOT ASKING US FOR ANY MONEY TO MAINTAIN THAT BUS.
19,000. YOU'RE NOT CHARGING ANYTHING? 19. WE ARE COVERING THE MAJORITY OF THE COST.
OKAY. SO ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS MORE INFORMATION TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD TO TALK ABOUT.
YES. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING THE DISCUSSION TO THE BOARD AND WHATNOT.
YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT, MR. COX? YES, SIR. MISS WAYMACK? YES. MR. WEBB, YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT? YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I KNOW IT'S A LONG NIGHT, FOLKS.
THIS IS OUR NEXT WONDERFUL DISCUSSION COMING UP.
SO OUR NEXT TOPIC UNDER REPORTS IS GOING TO BE OUR DISCUSSION AROUND CHICKENS AND RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT DISCUSSION, AND THIS IS MR. GRAVES. OKAY.
THIS IS JUST A REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD THAT THE BOARD ASKED FOR A FEW MONTHS AGO, AND SO TONIGHT WE WANT TO REVIEW THE TERMINOLOGY AROUND CHICKENS AND POULTRY AND FOWL, AND WE WANT TO REVIEW THE BACKGROUND AND HISTORY OF THIS TOPIC, AND IT'S NOT A NEW TOPIC, AND WE WANT TO REVIEW THE CURRENT REQUIREMENTS, MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THE CURRENT CURRENT REQUIREMENTS AND THEN WE WANT TO REVIEW WHAT STAFF PROPOSES AS NEXT STEPS IF THE BOARD SO CHOOSES.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN POULTRY WHICH IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS DEFINED THERE.
I'M NOT GOING TO READ IT, BUT IT SAYS MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF BIRDS THERE IN ADDITION TO CHICKENS, AND SO WHAT THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES HAS REQUIREMENTS ABOUT NOW IS POULTRY.
SO IT COVERS ALL THOSE TYPES OF BIRDS, NOT JUST CHICKENS, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HEAR THE WORD FOWL THE MERRIAM-WEBSTER DICTIONARY JUST CALLS THAT A BIRD OF ANY KIND.
SO AGAIN, OUR THE COUNTY'S ZONING ORDINANCE NOW TALKS ABOUT POULTRY.
SO WE WANT TO PAUSE HERE FOR A MINUTE AND CONFIRM THAT WHEN THE BOARD WANTS STAFF TO AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THESE REQUIREMENTS, AND IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER CHANGING ANYTHING, WE JUST WANT TO BE CERTAIN.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT CHICKENS OR ALL THE POULTRY AS DEFINED? SO ONE, I THINK ONE REASON THAT YOU MIGHT BE ASKING THIS IS THAT THERE ARE TYPES OF CHICKENS THAT SOME PEOPLE FIND OBJECTIONABLE BECAUSE OF NOISE, SUCH AS GUINEA HENS.
YOU CAN FEEL FREE TO MARINATE ON THAT ONE AS WE GO THROUGH THE REST OF IT, WE COME BACK TO THAT.
I KNOW THAT'S GOT A QUESTION REAL QUICK THERE IN THE PRESENTATION.
WE DON'T WANT TO MARINATE CHICKEN RIGHT NOW.
[CHUCKLING] THAT'S A GOOD PUN. THAT WAS A GOOD PUN; I LIKE THAT ONE.
SO HISTORY OF THIS TOPIC IN AS IT PERTAINS TO RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY, PRIOR TO 2014, THEY WERE NOT POULTRY WERE NOT PERMITTED IN THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, AND THEN IN 2014, THE BOARD ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO ALLOW POULTRY AND BEES.
THEY ARE IN THE ORDINANCE TOGETHER IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, BUT ONLY ON PARCELS THAT ARE AT LEAST TWO ACRES IN SIZE, AND THEN THERE ARE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS, SUCH AS SETBACKS FROM PROPERTY LINES AND FROM OTHER HOUSES, AND SO THOSE ARE THE SAME REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE STILL IN THE ORDINANCE TODAY.
IN 2020, A SIMILAR SITUATION AS TO WHAT THE COUNTY IS FACING RIGHT NOW IN WHICH AS A RESULT OF A CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTION, A CITIZEN REQUESTED THAT THE COUNTY CODE BE CHANGED TO ALLOW POULTRY AT.
THEIR CONCERN WAS CHICKENS AT THE TIME.
ON ALL RESIDENTIAL LOTS IN THE COUNTY REGARDLESS OF SIZE.
SO STAFF PROVIDED REPORTS ON THIS AND POTENTIAL ORDINANCE CHANGES TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND AT THAT TIME, IN 2020, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ULTIMATELY DECIDED NOT TO RECOMMEND ANY CHANGES AT THAT TIME.
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JUST TO RECAP WHAT HAPPENED AS FAR AS PUBLIC OUTREACH, THERE WAS EXTENSIVE PUBLIC OUTREACH IN 2020.SO AS PART OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S REVIEW THEY HAD THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT STAFF CONDUCT A SURVEY OF COUNTY CITIZENS OR COUNTY RESIDENTS, AND SO THAT OUTREACH INCLUDED POSTINGS ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE AND FACEBOOK AND A PRESS RELEASE IN THE NEWSPAPER AND WE MAILED OUT ALMOST 4000 POSTCARDS THAT WERE SENT TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAD PARCELS THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THE POTENTIAL CHANGES THAT WERE CONSIDERED AT THAT TIME.
SO BASED ON ALL THAT OUTREACH, THERE WERE 119 SURVEY PARTICIPANTS ON AN ONLINE SURVEY, AND WE ALSO AT THE TIME, IF PEOPLE CALLED IN, WE WOULD FILL OUT, YOU KNOW, TAKE IN THEIR THEIR INPUT AS WELL, AND SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT HAS A RESPONSE RATE OF LESS THAN 3% ON THAT POSTCARD MAILING AT LEAST.
SO IN THE KEY FINDINGS THERE WERE MORE QUESTIONS, BUT THESE ARE THE TWO THAT I THINK ARE MOST AT ISSUE BECAUSE THEY'RE ABOUT THE TWO ACRE REQUIREMENT, AND SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS AT THAT TIME ASKED DO YOU SUPPORT THE KEEPING OF POULTRY ON PROPERTIES LESS THAN TWO ACRES IN SIZE IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD? AND SO ABOUT ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF THE PEOPLE THAT FILLED OUT THAT SURVEY SAID THAT THEY DID SUPPORT HAVING CHICKENS ON LESS THAN TWO ACRES.
THERE WAS ALSO THIS QUESTION HOW MANY POULTRY IS A REASONABLE HOW MANY POULTRY ARE REASONABLE ON PROPERTIES THAT ARE LESS THAN TWO ACRES? AND YOU CAN SEE THE MAJORITY THERE HAD OVERALL JUST SOME NUMBER MORE THAN ZERO.
SO MAJORITY OF SURVEY PARTICIPANTS, AGAIN CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER QUESTION, WERE SAYING THAT THEY SUPPORTED HAVING SOME AMOUNT OF CHICKENS ALLOWED ON THOSE SMALLER LOTS. AFTER THE OUTREACH AND AFTER THE REPORTS FROM STAFF, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECIDED NOT TO RECOMMEND ANY CHANGES.
SO THAT BROUGHT US THAT BRINGS US BACK TO TODAY.
JUST TO REVIEW THE CURRENT REQUIREMENTS IN THOSE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
SO NOT NOT TALKING ABOUT AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICTS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT R-1, R-2, R-3, AND R-E, AND THERE'S ALSO MHR, BUT THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT IS TWO ACRES.
THE NUMBER OF POULTRY PERMITTED, IF THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO ACRES WOULD BE UP TO SIX, AND THEN IF THEY HAVE FOUR ACRES, THEN THEY CAN HAVE SIX MORE CHICKENS AND SO ON, AND THEN THERE'S SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, AND THOSE ARE IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN YOUR MIND AS FAR AS THESE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE AFFECTED.
IF YOU DO ALLOW CHICKENS ON SMALLER LOTS.
ON A SMALL LOT IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COULD BE THE BACK PROPERTY LINE, MEANING EVEN IF YOU REMOVE THE ACREAGE REQUIREMENT, IF YOU STILL HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT, THEY CAN'T HAVE CHICKENS ON THE PROPERTY, AND THERE'S ALSO A 150 FOOT DISTANCE REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT DWELLINGS.
ON SMALL LOTS, IT'S VERY HARD TO DO ON LESS THAN TWO ACRES.
SO THOSE KIND OF RULES WOULD NEED TO BE CONSIDERED.
IF YOU DO WISH TO RECONSIDER THESE THESE RULES.
SOME OTHER REQUIREMENTS ARE IN THE ORDINANCE, SUCH AS THOSE CHICKENS MUST BE CONTAINED OR FENCED.
SO IF YOU SEE CHICKENS RUNNING AROUND.
OFF OF SOMEONE'S PROPERTY ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTY, THAT'S ALREADY NOT NOT PERMITTED ANYWHERE.
IN THOSE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, NO ROOSTERS ARE PERMITTED, AND THEN RIGHT NOW THEY'RE ALLOWED, EVEN IF THERE'S NOT A DWELLING PRESENT ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH MAY WHICH CAN BE AN ISSUE IF SOMEONE DOESN'T HAVE A HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY, BUT THEY HAVE CHICKENS.
SO SOME THINGS TO THINK ABOUT IN THE CURRENT.
SO WE TOOK A LOOK AT SOME NUMBERS OF, SO, JUST TO REVIEW THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT FOR THE RESIDENTIAL ESTATE, R-E DISTRICT IS ONE ACRE MINIMUM.
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TODAY. SO ONLY ABOUT 9% OF THE LOTS IN YOUR SMALL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT PROPERTIES CAN ACTUALLY HAVE CHICKENS BASED ON THE CURRENT REQUIREMENTS, ONLY 9%.SO 90% OF THOSE LOTS TODAY ARE LESS THAN TWO ACRES, AND SO THEY CAN'T HAVE CHICKENS BY THE LAW, AND IT'S SIMILAR, SIMILAR NUMBERS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL ESTATE DISTRICT, EVEN THOUGH THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS ONE ACRE.
YOU KNOW, WHAT WE PROPOSE TO DO AND WE GOT TO REMEMBER TO GO BACK AND YOU KNOW, CONFIRM IF WE'RE FOCUSED ON CHICKENS OR ON POULTRY, BUT WE PROPOSE THAT STAFF WOULD TAKE THIS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND RECAP PRETTY MUCH THE SAME INFORMATION THAT WE TALKED TO TONIGHT, AS WELL AS GO INTO THOSE OTHER REQUIREMENTS, A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND SO BESIDES RECAPPING THAT INFORMATION, WE ALSO WOULD PROPOSE TO OBTAIN RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION ABOUT WHAT CHANGES TO MAKE. WE TALKED ABOUT VARIOUS DETAILS THERE, AND TO REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION AND FURTHER DIRECTION REGARDING AMENDING THE REQUIREMENTS.
SO REALLY TONIGHT WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR DOES THAT SOUND GOOD? AND IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, ARE WE FOCUSED ON CHICKENS OR ALL POULTRY? BOARD MEMBERS, WHAT'S YOUR INPUT? I'LL WAIT UNTIL YOU GUYS CHIME IN.
I KNOW THIS ALL STARTED OVER THE CHICKENS AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COME UP HERE AND CITE, YOU KNOW, ORDINANCES IN HOPEWELL, RICHMOND, WHAT HAVE YOU.
WHAT'S OUR ORDINANCE COMPARED TO THOSE CURRENTLY ON POULTRY OR FOWL? MOST OF THOSE THOSE ORDINANCES ALLOW CHICKENS, REGARDLESS OF THE LOT SIZE.
OKAY. THIS COUNTY HAS A MINIMUM ACREAGE, RIGHT? I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IS THAT JUST CHICKENS OR IS THAT FOWL? IS IT POULTRY? YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? YES.
SO WE'VE DONE SOME OF THAT ANALYSIS AND COULD SEND THAT TO YOU, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE CAN INCLUDE IN FUTURE REPORT INFORMATION.
OKAY. MR. COX. I'LL SPEAK LAST.
I WAS GOING TO SAY, BEING THAT I CRIED FOUL ON THIS.
OTHER ONE. JUST DON'T MARINATE ON IT.
YEAH, THE ONLY THING I'M LOOKING AT IS HENS AND A MAXIMUM OF SIX.
YOU KNOW, UNTIL YOU GET TO LARGER-SIZED LAND.
I ACTUALLY TOOK A RIDE SATURDAY EVENING OUT TO THE CITIZENS HOME THAT WAS STARTED THIS, AND I'M THANKFUL NONE OF THE NEIGHBORS CALLED THE POLICE ON ME BECAUSE I WAS SITTING THERE IN THE STREET, YOU KNOW, BUT VERY CLEAN, VERY NEAT.
DIDN'T HEAR A WORD. HAD MY WINDOWS DOWN.
AS SHE SAID, SHE'S GOT A CHICKEN COOP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BACKYARD, AND THAT'S THE THING.
THE PRICE OF EGGS, PRICE OF GROCERIES.
MY THING IS, WHY CAN'T WE HAVE.
AGAIN, AS LONG AS IT'S KEPT CLEAN AND MAINTAINED.
NO ROOSTERS, ALTHOUGH I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A ROOSTER.
I GOT A NEIGHBOR OF MINE THAT'S GOT A ROOSTER.
I LIVE BACK ON LARGER PIECES OF LAND, BUT THAT'S MY THING.
I JUST WE GOT BIGGER THINGS TO BE CHASING, AND CHICKENS IN THIS COUNTY.
YES, I AGREE, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE EGGS THAT THEY CAN COLLECT, AND IF THEY'RE KEPT IN A PROPER WAY, THEN I DON'T SEE ANY REASON THEY CAN'T HAVE THEM. THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE OUT TO PRINCE GEORGE FOR, IS TO HAVE BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME CHICKENS AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.
MR. WEBB? I CAN UNDERSTAND AND AGREE WITH WHATEVER HE'S SAYING.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US OR TO ENGAGE IN ANOTHER SURVEY.
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I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE THERE BE SOME SESSIONS WHERE THE PUBLIC HAS A CHANCE TO INPUT INTO IT, BECAUSE I'D LOVE TO HEAR THEIR THOUGHTS AROUND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE THINGS.I THINK THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD TAKE ALL THAT IN.
MR. COX, I REALLY UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT.
I MEAN, I'LL BE 66 IN A COUPLE OF DAYS, AND SO I'VE LIVED HERE ALL MY LIFE.
I GREW UP WITH CHICKENS AND PIGS.
I SWORE I WASN'T GOING TO HAVE ANY WHEN I GREW UP, BUT YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I ALSO HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND, IN A SUBDIVISION WHERE PEOPLE ARE LIVING ON A QUARTER ACRE OF PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, I KNOW LAST TIME WHEN THIS DISCUSSION CAME UP, THERE WAS A LOT OF PUSHBACK IN SOME OF THE OTHER SUBDIVISION COMMUNITIES OF, YOU KNOW, THINGS RIGHT UP NEXT TO ALMOST THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.
SO I DON'T HAVE THE MAGICAL ANSWER FOR THIS, BUT I'D LOVE TO SEE US DO AS MUCH PUBLIC INPUT AS POSSIBLE AND COME BACK TO US WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, BECAUSE I THINK, LIKE YOU JUST SAID, MR. GRAVES, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SETBACKS, AND IF YOU START DEALING IN SMALLER LOTS, WE STILL NEED SOME SETBACKS, AND WHAT WOULD THEY BE? SO THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
CAN I ADD SOMETHING REAL QUICK? YES, SIR. I WOULD SAY REACH OUT TO FARM BUREAU, TOO, AND POSSIBLY CONSULT THEM TO SEE WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE A NATIONALLY WIDE ENTITY.
I MEAN, THEY PROBABLY HAVE DEALT WITH THIS STUFF BEFORE AND MAYBE BE ABLE TO GIVE US SOME GUIDANCE.
DOES THAT SEEM AMENABLE, SIR? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
SO I'VE HEARD YOUR IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE OKAY WITH THIS PLUS YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT OTHER COUNTIES WHETHER THEY'RE FOCUSED ON CHICKENS OR POULTRY OR BOTH, AND YOU'D LIKE US ANOTHER SURVEY AND PUBLIC INPUT PERIOD ON THAT, AND REACH OUT TO THE FARM BUREAU.
DOES THAT COVER EVERYTHING? IS THERE ANY OTHER REQUESTS? PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, ENGAGEMENT.
WAS THERE ANY OTHER JUST SOME MORE THAN THAT.
I THINK THERE SHOULD BE AT LEAST 1 OR 2 COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOOD, AND THEN YOU'LL MAKE A DECISION ON CHICKENS OR POULTRY LATER ON.
I THINK THAT MAY COME OUT IN THE WASH, TOO, WITH THAT TYPE OF INPUT AS WELL.
OKAY. I MEAN, NOT HAVING ANY I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PREFERENCE, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THAT CALL WITHOUT BEING FAIRLY INFORMED ON IT.
[J. Order of Business]
OUR FISCAL 23-24 AND 24-25 POSITION CONTROL CHART, AND THAT IS GOING TO BE BY OUR HR DIRECTOR, MISS CORRIE HURT.THANK YOU. VICE CHAIRMAN BROWN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MISS ERARD, MISS PUDLOW.
SINCE THAT'S ALREADY APPROVED.
WE HAVE RECENTLY RECEIVED A RESIGNATION FROM OUR ELECTRICIAN DATED MAY 31ST, AND IN LIGHT OF THAT RESIGNATION, TYPICALLY WHAT WE WOULD DO BEFORE WE ADVERTISE IS WE REVIEW OUR JOB DESCRIPTION, AND IN DOING THAT WITH THE GENERAL SERVICES DIRECTOR, HE DID ADDRESS THE NEED FOR A POSSIBLE CHANGE.
SO THE GENERAL SERVICES DIRECTOR FEELS THAT THE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE BETTER SUITED TO HAVE ANOTHER BUILDING MAINTENANCE MECHANIC RATHER THAN AN ELECTRICIAN, AND THAT WOULD MATCH ALL THE OTHER POSITIONS THAT ARE IN THE DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY.
SO WE DO RECOGNIZE THERE IS A NEED TO HAVE THE ELECTRICAL TRADE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO HIRE AS A BUILDING MAINTENANCE MECHANIC WITH AN ELECTRICAL TRADE BACKGROUND.
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PLUMBER OR AN HVAC TECH.SO HE FELT IT WOULD BE BETTER IN LINE FOR THE DEPARTMENT, AND THEN THE GRADE IS THE SAME AS THE ELECTRICIAN TO THE BUILDING MAINTENANCE MECHANIC AT A GRADE 312. SO THERE WOULD BE NO FISCAL IMPACT FOR THE RECLASSIFICATION REQUEST, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
OKAY. DO ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS TOPIC OR FOR MISS HURT? NO, SIR. MR. WEBB, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MRS. HURT? NO, SIR.
I'M GOOD. I UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE'S DOING.
OKAY. I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS TOPIC, PLEASE.
OKAY. IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED, AND SECONDED, THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION FOR CHANGING THE POSITION CONTROL CHART FOR 23-24 AND FISCAL YEAR 24-25. YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION.
YOU'RE READY FOR THE QUESTION.
MRS. KNOTT. WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? THANK YOU, MISS HURT.
OKAY. OUR SECOND ITEM IS A RESOLUTION FOR AN APPROPRIATION OF DCJS SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER GRANT FUNDING OF $73,130, AND THIS WOULD BE DONE BY MISS BETSY DREWRY, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR WITH ASSISTANCE FROM OUR POLICE CHIEF, CHIEF EARLY.
YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING, VICE CHAIRMAN BROWN.
BOARD MEMBERS, MISS PUDLOW AND MISS ERARD.
AS YOU ARE AWARE, CHIEF EARLY CAME BEFORE YOU IN FEBRUARY TO REQUEST PERMISSION TO APPLY FOR A SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER GRANT FROM DCJS TO SERVE NORTH ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
YOU DID GRANT THAT PERMISSION, AND HE RECEIVED SOME GOOD NEWS.
THAT GRANT DOES REQUIRE A LOCAL MATCH.
BASED ON THE SCHOOL LOCAL COMPOSITE INDEX OR THE WEALTH MEASURE THAT'S IN PLACE.
SO WE ARE REQUESTING APPROPRIATION AND THE UPCOMING FY 25 BUDGET OF THAT GRANT FUNDING, PLUS A REQUEST TO TRANSFER $22,104 FROM YOUR ADOPTED GENERAL FUND CONTINGENCY TO COVER THE LOCAL MATCH, TO PAY FOR THE SALARY AND BENEFITS FOR THAT ADDITIONAL POSITION.
WE ARE ALSO ASKING FOR A CHANGE.
IN YOUR FY 25 POSITION CONTROL CHART TO ADD ONE POLICE OFFICER TO THE CHART.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, AND OF COURSE CHIEF EARLY IS IN THE AUDIENCE AS WELL.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DREWRY? NO, SIR.
JUST ONE FOR CHIEF. THIS WILL GIVE US RESOURCE OFFICERS AT EVERY BUILDING, CORRECT? YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU.
OKAY, MR. WEBB, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS TOPIC.
IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED, AND SECONDED, THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THE RESOLUTION FOR APPROPRIATION OF THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER GRANT FUNDING OF $73,130. YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION.
YOU'RE READY FOR THE QUESTION.
MRS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME MA'AM.
STORM WATER FEE MR. HALTOM COUNTY ENGINEER.
GOOD EVENING, VICE CHAIRMAN BROWN.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MS. PUDLOW. MS. ERARD.
IF YOU RECALL, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS TOPIC FOR A LITTLE WHILE NOW, SINCE JULY OF LAST YEAR, I BELIEVE, BUT IN JULY OR IN 2014 THE STATE DID REQUIRE LOCALITIES TO ADOPT A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM IF THE LOCALITY HAD A MUNICIPAL SEPARATE SEWER, STORM SEWER, MUNICIPAL SEPARATE STORM SEWER SYSTEM, MS4 FOR SHORT, OR THEY CAN VOLUNTEER TO TAKE OVER THE STATE PROGRAM AND WITH THAT THE STATE ALSO PASSED LEGISLATION TO ALLOW THE LOCALITIES TO ADOPT A FEE TO OFFSET THE COST OF THAT PROGRAM.
AS YOU SEE ON THIS SLIDE AS SOMEBODY MENTIONED EARLIER, SOMEBODY WE COULD HAVE CHARGED TAXES TO, TO OFFSET THE COST OF THE PROGRAM, OR WE COULD MANAGE THE FEE.
THIS JUST HIGHLIGHTS THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN USING THE TAXES AND THE FEE.
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IN COMPETITION FOR OTHER TOPICS AS WELL.SO THE FEES ARE OFFSET ONLY FOR PROVIDING A SERVICE.
THOSE FEES CANNOT BE USED FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE STORMWATER PROGRAM, BUT IT ALSO ALLOWS YOU TO CHARGE THOSE FOLKS THAT HAVE THAT CONTRIBUTE TO STORMWATER THAT ARE CURRENTLY ARE EXEMPT FROM PAYING TAXES.
SO THE COUNTY DID ADOPT THE FEE IN 2014 TO FUND THE PROGRAM, AND THE PROGRAM, AS THE STATE REQUIRES, SHALL INCLUDE, AND YOU CAN SEE THE LIST OF THINGS THAT ARE THERE, BUT THE PURPOSE IS FOR PLAN REVIEWS, PERMITS, LAND DISTURBANCE APPROVALS, INSPECTIONS AND ENFORCEMENT, AND IF YOU RECALL, BACK IN APRIL, WE WERE ALSO REQUIRED TO RESPOND TO THE STATE AS THEY ARE.
THE NEW STATE REGULATIONS ARE NOW COMBINING THE EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL PROGRAM WITH THE STORMWATER PROGRAM, AND WE ARE REQUIRED TO WE WERE REQUIRED TO RESPOND TO THE STATE, WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO, AGAIN, ADOPT A PROGRAM OR ALLOW DEQ TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE IT.
BACK IN APRIL, THIS BOARD VOTED TO ALLOW DEQ TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE THAT.
SO WE ARE STILL NOT PROVIDING ANY PLAN REVIEWS, INSPECTIONS OR ENFORCEMENT.
SO TO DATE, THE FEE IS USED PRIMARILY ONLY FOR EROSION CONTROL AND FOR ANY TYPE OF FLOODING ISSUES THAT THE WITHIN COUNTY EASEMENTS OR WITHIN AREAS WHERE THE VDOT USED TO MAINTAIN THAT THEY ARE NO LONGER MAINTAINING.
SO I JUST JUST MENTIONED JUST NOW ABOUT WHAT WE DID IN APRIL.
THIS WAS WHAT OUR OPTIONS WERE.
WE WENT AHEAD AND DECIDED AGAINST DOING A COUNTY PROGRAM.
SO NOW THESE THESE ARE THE REMAINING OPTIONS THE COUNTY HAS TO ADDRESS.
SO THE THREE OPTIONS WE HAVE IS EITHER KEEP THE EXISTING PROGRAM BECOME A PUBLIC WORKS, OR WE CAN STILL CHOOSE TO ELIMINATE THE PROGRAM SINCE WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE A PROGRAM, AND WE ARE STILL USING DEQ TO PERFORM ALL OF OUR SITE PLAN REVIEWS AND INSPECTIONS.
JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT A DETAILED LOOK ON THIS.
THIS THIS SLIDE PROVIDES YOU WITH SOME OF THE OPTIONS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER LOOK.
ANYWAYS, YOU CAN SEE OUR CURRENT BUDGET FOR THE EXISTING PROGRAM IS $490,000 A YEAR.
IF WE DO BECOME A PUBLIC WORKS, THAT WOULD PROBABLY JUMP UP THIS ESTIMATE OF ABOUT 1.5 MILLION.
WHAT THAT PUBLIC WORKS OPTION IS INSTEAD OF DOING JUST COUNTY EASEMENTS AND DOING THINGS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY OR FOR TO PREVENT POLLUTION OF PUBLIC WATERWAYS, THE PUBLIC WORKS OPTION-- DID I MOVE IT BACK? I'M SORRY.
SO SOMEBODY HAS A DITCH IN THEIR BACKYARD THAT'S NOT COVERED BY THE COUNTY OR BY VDOT.
OR WE CAN OBVIOUSLY DISCONTINUE THAT PROGRAM.
AGAIN, THAT WOULD REDUCE OUR COST TO ZERO.
HOWEVER, THERE IF THERE ARE ANY CONCERNS WITH PUBLIC SAFETY OR POLLUTION PREVENTION, AGAIN, THE COUNTY CAN CONTINUE TO USE TAX DOLLARS THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND TO ASSIGN PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE.
THIS OPTION COULD NOT BE EXERCISED FULLY UNTIL WE UNTIL 2026, WHICH WAS WHEN OUR BOND, I BELIEVE, RUNS OUT THAT WE ARE ALREADY BORROWING MONEY FOR THE CURRENT PROGRAM.
WE DO HAVE EXISTING PROJECTS UNDERWAY THAT WE DO HAVE TO COMPLETE.
SO WE WOULD COME BACK TO YOU, IF YOU DID DECIDE TO ELIMINATE THIS PROGRAM, WE WOULD COME BACK TO YOU AT ANOTHER TIME WITH A RECOMMENDATION ON HOW TO EITHER CLOSE OUT THOSE PROJECTS AND UTILIZE THOSE REMAINING FUNDS, OR JUST COMPLETE THOSE PROJECTS ALTOGETHER USING THOSE REMAINING FUNDS.
SO IF YOU DO DECIDE TO KEEP THE PROGRAM IN EITHER FORM, WE DO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO REVISE SOME ORDINANCES TO ADOPT A NEW RATE STRUCTURE BASED ON IMPERVIOUS AREA.
IF YOU COMPARE THE COUNTY TO OTHER LOCALITIES AROUND US, AS MISTER INGRAM SPOKE EARLIER TODAY HE WAS REFERRING TO OUR PROGRAM AS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS. WE DON'T CHARGE BASED ON IMPERVIOUS AREA AS OTHERS DO.
OKAY, I'M GOING TO START WITH MR.
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WEBB. DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION OF SO FAR OF WHAT MR. HALTOM HAS SPOKEN OF ABOUT THE PROGRAM? WELL, I CAN GIVE YOU MY EXCUSE ME, MY OPINION ON NOT A PUBLIC WORKS SYSTEM.THAT'S EQUIPMENT, SALARIES, BENEFITS, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS, AND THEN THEN IT BECOMES THE WORKLOAD.
THE CONCERN I HAVE IS, I KNOW WAY BACK WHEN WE WERE PUSHED INTO THIS, WHEN VDOT, THIS IS OVER 20 YEARS, DECIDED TO PULL THE MONEY OUT OF VDOT BUDGET TO HANDLE THE OUTFALL DITCHES. THEY TURNED IT, IT FELL ON THE COUNTY'S RESPONSIBILITY.
THE ONE THING I WOULD QUESTION, THOUGH, IS, SAY WE DO AWAY WITH THIS, WHICH I HAVE.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
I'M NOT ADVOCATING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT THEN WE HAVE ISSUES COME UP IN THE COUNTY THAT VDOTS NOT GOING TO COVER, AND THEN THE CITIZENS COME TO US, AND THEN WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TO COVER IT OR NOT, DEPENDING ON WHETHER IT'S 300,000 OR HALF MILLION DOLLAR PROBLEM.
THAT MONEY HAS TO COME FROM THE GENERAL FUND, AND IS THAT NOT, IN EFFECT, STILL COMING FROM ALL THE TAXPAYERS IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY? THAT'S MY COMMENT. OKAY.
WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT, MR. PUGH? I UNDERSTAND WHERE MR. WEBB IS COMING FROM.
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY WE'RE NOT DOING CITIZENS CLEANOUTS.
WE'RE IDENTIFYING WHAT BENEFITS PUBLIC.
RELATIONS. THE GENERAL PUBLIC, WHEN WE GO IN AND DO A CREEK RENOVATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, AM I CORRECT IN THAT STATEMENT? THAT IS CORRECT. BASED ON OUR CURRENT CRITERIA FOR PROJECTS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AND MAYBE I OVERLOOKED IT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE RATE STRUCTURE OF WHAT YOU'RE POSSIBLY PROPOSING.
BECAUSE IF WE CAN GET SOMEBODY WHO HAS, LET'S SAY, A COMMERCIAL, LARGE SCALE, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AND PUT A METHODOLOGY FEE, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO LOWER THE RESIDENTIAL COST.
THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR THAT. YES.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE SEE THE RATE FEE STRUCTURE AS, AS ONE OPTION AND THEN THE OTHER OPTION, IF THAT'S NOT APPEALING FOR THE CITIZENS TO GET SOME MORE TAX DOLLARS OFF OF THEM, I WOULD SAY WE PHASE THE FEE OUT.
OKAY. IF I MAY COMMENT REAL QUICK, THE ONLY WAY TO GET A TRUE NUMBER FOR THE RATE STRUCTURE, THE RATE STRUCTURE WE CAN BUILD, BUT THE RATE ITSELF COULD NOT BE ESTABLISHED UNTIL WE DO SOME ADDITIONAL WORK, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE HIRING A CONSULTANT AND SPENDING SOME MONEY TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE IMPERVIOUS AREA WITHIN THE COUNTY.
OKAY. SO THAT WOULD TAKE A BOARD ACTION TO BE ABLE TO MAKE US ALLOW US TO DO THAT WORK.
OKAY. MR. COX MY VOTE IS TO DO AWAY WITH IT.
OKAY? MISS WAYMACK, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF DOING AWAY WITH IT.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED IT.
YEAH, I PERSONALLY WOULD LEAN MORE TO DOING AWAY WITH IT, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY.
SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE COLLECTING SOMETHING, BUT WE'RE NOT REALLY WE'RE UNABLE TO DELIVER A COMPLETE SERVICE YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE TERMS THAT WE HAVE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY WOULD SAY I WOULD LEAN MORE TO ELIMINATING THE PROGRAM PHASE IT OUT SO THAT THE FISCAL 26 BUDGET WOULD HAVE THAT OUT, AND AGAIN, THIS MAY BE A DIFFERENT THING.
AGAIN, LOOKING FOR PUBLIC INPUT ON HOW WE WOULD DEAL WITH IT, BECAUSE I DEAL WITH MORE PHONE CALLS FROM PEOPLE UPSET THAT THEY'RE PAYING STORMWATER FEE, BUT WHEN THEY CALL AND THEY HAVE A PROBLEM, WE TELL THEM IT'S NOT A COUNTY PROBLEM, IT'S NOT A VDOT PROBLEM.
YOU NEED TO WORK WITH THE PEOPLE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET IT FIXED.
YOU KNOW? SO WHAT GOOD IS THE FEE THAT THEY'RE PAYING? THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
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MR. CHAIR. YES, SIR.AS I STATED BEFORE, I'M NOT ADVOCATING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON WHAT I'M TRYING TO PRESENT FOR STATE IS IF WE DO AWAY WITH IT.
WHICH IS FINE, AND THEN WE GOT NINE LOW LYING AREAS IN PRINCE GEORGE WE ALREADY KNOW ABOUT.
IT'S ONLY RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING IT OFF THE ROAD TO THE DITCH, AND CITIZENS START COMING TO US, AND THEN THE BOARD IS GOING TO BE TASKED BY DEFAULT ON WHAT PROJECTS TO GO AFTER.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY AND THAT'S FINE.
THAT'S JUST THE WAY THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, THE COOKIE CRUMBLES, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, AM I WRONG IN ASSUMING THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE TAXED TOTAL CITIZENS TAX DOLLARS THAT WILL BE SPENT FOR THAT PROJECT? AND IN EFFECT, ISN'T THAT THE SAME THING? AREN'T THEY STILL GOING TO HAVE HEARTBURN IF THEIR TAX DOLLARS ARE BEING SPENT FOR THAT, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE DOING AWAY WITH THIS FEE? I THINK IT STILL WOULD BE, IN ESSENCE, TAX DOLLARS IF THE BOARD WAS TO USE FUND BALANCE TO COVER A PROJECT.
SO YEAH, IT'S STILL THE CITIZENS TAX DOLLARS.
I SEE IT ON A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT LIGHT, ONLY BECAUSE NOW THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING LABELED STORMWATER FEE, IT GIVES THE CONNOTATION THAT IF YOU HAVE A STORMWATER ISSUE WE'RE GOING TO FIX IT, AND AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE.
YEAH I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO AGAIN GET PUBLIC INPUT ON THIS.
AGAIN, I HATE TO KEEP THROWING OUT SURVEYS, BUT I THINK.
WITH THE CITIZENS IN THIS COUNTY.
NOW IF THEY SAY ELIMINATE IT, THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS.
SO SO JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, YOU NEED AN ANSWER.
NOT RIGHT NOW, BUT BEFORE 2026 TO CUT IT OUT.
THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY I BROUGHT IT TODAY.
GOTCHA, AND RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT REALLY WILLING TO SPEND MONEY ON A CONSULTANT.
IF THE PUBLIC TELLS ME THEY WANT TO GET RID OF IT.
UNDERSTOOD. I THINK THAT'S A WASTE OF MONEY.
YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT, AND I AGREE WITH THAT.
YEAH. IF THE PUBLIC COMES BACK AND SAYS KEEP IT, THEN, YOU KNOW, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO COMMIT TO GETTING A CONSULTANT TO HELP US COME UP WITH DEVELOPING THAT RATE STRUCTURE, BUT I'M NOT WILLING TO SPEND THAT RIGHT NOW, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
UNDERSTOOD. IS THAT IS THAT OKAY WITH THE BOARD THAT WE DIG DEEPER INTO THIS WITH SOME TYPE OF A SURVEY OR SOME TYPE OF PUBLIC INPUT.
IS THAT OKAY, MR. HALTOM? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY.
I THINK WE HAVE A CONSENSUS ON THAT, SIR.
HEY, OUR NEXT TOPIC IS GOING TO BE OUR VBS, THE GRANT THAT'S GOING TO BE MR. HALTOM AGAIN, BUT BEFORE YOU START, SIR, I WOULD LIKE TO LET OUR DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR MISS MISS PUDLOW MAKE A STATEMENT, PLEASE. MR. VICE CHAIR, I WOULD JUST LIKE IT ON RECORD THAT THE STAFF'S INTENTION WAS TO WAIT FOR A FORMAL RESPONSE REGARDING THE CAPACITY ALLOCATION REQUEST FROM THE HOPEWELL WATER RENEWAL FACILITY BEFORE BRINGING ANY DISCUSSION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS REGARDING A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.
HOWEVER, DUE TO THE CONDITIONS AND TIMELINE PLACED ON THE COUNTY BY THE VIRGINIA ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP FOR A SUCCESSFUL VEDP OR THE VIRGINIA BUSINESS READY SITES PROGRAM GRANT APPLICATION, WE ARE REQUIRED TO PRESENT THESE CONDITIONS AS LAID OUT BY VEDP FOR BOARD OF SUPERVISOR CONSIDERATION, INCLUDING THE CONDITION OF A POTENTIAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.
IF HOPEWELL IS UNABLE TO ALLOCATE CAPACITY OR THE REQUEST IS DENIED.
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BECAME PART OF THE STATE'S APPLICATION, DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION.PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY STAFF HAVE NOT MOVED FORWARD WITH OR WORKED ON ANY ASPECTS OF A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY, AND HAVE CONTINUED TO MOVE FORWARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR.
APPROVED ACTION OF A FORCE MAIN CONNECTION TO HOPEWELL, AND AS SUCH THE STAFF'S INTENTION WAS TO WAIT FOR HOPEWELL'S FORMAL RESPONSE BEFORE BRINGING ANY DISCUSSION OR FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO KNOW THE ONLY REASON THIS DISCUSSION IS BEING BROUGHT BEFORE THE BOARD IS DUE TO THE CONDITIONS PLACED ON THE VBRSP GRANT BY THE STATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM.
OKAY. THANK YOU. I ALSO WANT TO MAKE A QUICK STATEMENT BEFORE THE PRESENTATION.
BECAUSE I KNOW HOW THIS IS WORDED.
THIS IS FOR US TO VOTE ON TO APPLY FOR THIS GRANT.
THIS GRANT CAN BE USED FOR THE.
DESIRED ROUTE THAT WE WANT, WHICH IS TO GO TO HOPEWELL.
THIS IS BY NO MEANS A VOTE THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO A PLANT.
THIS WOULD JUST START THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE THE CONNECTION TO HOPEWELL, THEN WE WOULD THEN START THE DISCUSSION AND GO THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH IN ORDER TO DO THE WHOLE THING WITH A WASTE TREATMENT PLANT, EVERYTHING FROM INVOLVING THE PUBLIC TO, YOU KNOW, PRESENTING DESIGNS, PRESENTING COSTS, ECONOMIC, ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES, ALL OF THAT STUFF IS STILL OUT THERE TO BE DONE IF THAT IS AN OPTION THAT COMES UP BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR, IF WE DO RECEIVE THIS MONEY AND WE DECIDE ONCE WE HEAR FROM HOPEWELL FOR SOME REASON, THAT WE STILL DON'T WANT TO ENTERTAIN, THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY BE IN A POSITION, I WOULD SAY, TO HAVE TO GIVE THIS MONEY BACK.
AM I CORRECT WITH THAT, MS. ERARD? OKAY, SO AT THIS TIME, PLEASE GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. THANK YOU, VICE CHAIRMAN BROWN.
I'M GOING TO GO OVER TO PROJECT UPDATE AS IT STANDS TODAY, WHICH IS THE BLACKWATER REGIONAL PUMP STATION AND FORCE MAIN THAT WILL DISCHARGE TO THE HOPEWELL PLANT, AND I'M GOING TO ALSO DISCUSS HOW THE STATUS OF THAT PROJECT DOES HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE APPLICATION, AND THEN MISTER JABRI IS GOING TO COME IN AND TALK ABOUT THE GRANT AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT GRANT TO MOVE FORWARD, AND THEN WE'LL ALL BE AVAILABLE TO TALK ABOUT THE RESOLUTIONS AND TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
SO FIRST, JUST THE PROJECT UPDATE.
AS SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS MAY RECALL, BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 21 WE'VE THE STAFF PRESENTED A LOT OF INFORMATION TO THIS BOARD TO DECIDE, MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT WE WANTED.
WE HAD TWO OPTIONS FOR A WASTEWATER SOLUTION FOR THE FULL GROWTH OF THE COUNTY.
THAT WAS THIS PUMP STATION ENFORCEMENT TO HOPEWELL OR TO BUILD A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT BACK IN SEPTEMBER 28TH, 2021, THERE WAS A MOTION THAT FAILED FOR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND A MOTION IMMEDIATELY AFTER THAT PASSED FOR THE BLACKWATER REGIONAL PUMP STATION AND FORCE MAIN TO HOPEWELL.
THAT PROJECT INCLUDES A GRAVITY INTERCEPTOR, 3 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY PUMPING STATION THAT COULD BE EXPANDABLE TO 6 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY AND NEARLY TEN MILES OF FORCE MAIN THAT WOULD EVENTUALLY DISCHARGE AT THE HOPEWELL PLANT.
FURTHER IN NOVEMBER OF 22 IS WHEN WE FINALLY AWARDED THE PROJECT TO AN ENGINEERING CONSULTANT, AND SOON THEREAFTER WE STARTED SENDING OUT LETTERS SO THEIR ENGINEERING STAFF COULD BEGIN THE SURVEY WORK OUT IN THE FIELD.
WE HAD A FOLLOW UP COMMUNITY MEETING IN MARCH TO ANSWER ALL THOSE QUESTIONS AND ADDRESS THE FOLKS CONCERNS, TO ASSURE THEM THAT WE ARE STILL WORKING ON A PUMP STATION AND A FORCE MAIN TO HOPEWELL.
SO THE CURRENT STATUS BACKING UP FROM TO JANUARY OF 23, WE DID HAVE SOME INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THE HOPEWELL STAFF, AND THEY MADE INDICATION THAT THEY HAD 7 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY OF AVAILABLE CAPACITY FOR PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.
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SO THEY CAN HAVE THEIR ENGINEERING CONSULTANT CONFIRM THAT THE THEY CAN, THAT THE PLANT COULD ACCEPT THOSE FLOWS.IN FEBRUARY OF '24, WE BEGAN TO START DRAFTING AGREEMENTS TO BE ABLE TO.
SORRY, I'M NOT SURE WHY THAT KEEPS MOVING TAKE MY THUMB OFF THE BUTTON.
ONE MORE, SORRY, AND WE WANTED TO GET A FORMAL AGREEMENT ESTABLISHED.
SO WE ASKED FOR HOPEWELL TO PROVIDE THE DOCUMENTATION AND AND START PREPARING THAT FORMAL AGREEMENT.
IT WAS AT THAT TIME THAT WE RECEIVED SOME INFORMATION FROM THE CITY OF HOPEWELL, WHICH WAS THEIR 1995 WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT ALLOCATION AGREEMENT THAT IDENTIFIED WHAT THE CITY HAS ALLOCATED VERSUS WHAT THE PLANT HAS AVAILABLE.
SO ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THIS CHART, YOU SEE TWO PIE CHARTS.
THE VERY TOP CHART SHOWS THE ALLOCATIONS, NOT CAPACITY OF THE PLANT.
IT'S A LEGAL AGREEMENT SO THEY HAVE THAT AVAILABLE TO THEM.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PURPLE CUT OUT THERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THAT FIRST PIE CHART IS 7.3 MGD.
THAT'S ALLOCATED TO THE CITY OF HOPEWELL.
THAT IS TYPICALLY THE DOMESTIC FLOW FOR FOR THAT PLANT.
THE REMAINING ALLOCATIONS IS FOR INDUSTRIAL FLOW.
SO YES, THERE IS CAPACITY REMAINING IN THE PLANT.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY'RE USING ROUGHLY 30 TO 35 MGD ON A REGULAR BASIS, BUT THE ALLOCATION THAT THE CITY HAS IS ONLY 7.3 THAT THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
SO THE SMALLER PIE CHART BREAKS THAT DOWN.
THAT WAS BACK FROM THE 1994 AGREEMENT, AND SO THAT'S 2 MGD OF THAT 7.3 THAT'S BEEN TAKEN, AND YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE OTHER ENTITIES WITHIN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY THAT ALSO HAVE ALLOCATIONS, ALONG WITH THE CURRENT AVERAGE DAILY FLOW THAT THE CITY OF HOPEWELL USES, WHICH IS ROUGHLY 3.1.
SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, THESE THIS IS WHAT BRINGS OUR CONCERN ABOUT ALLOCATION AT THE PLANT.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE FULL PLANT CAPACITY.
IT'S WHAT THE CITY HAS ALLOCATED TO THEM THROUGH AGREEMENTS, LEGAL AGREEMENTS THAT WE ARE NOT CERTAIN THAT THEY HAVE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE US MORE CAPACITY. NOW, THERE MAY BE OTHER AGREEMENTS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED FROM THE CITY.
WE'RE NOT MADE AWARE OF ANY OTHER AGREEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO CHANGE THESE ALLOCATIONS.
SO IT WAS ON APRIL 5TH AGAIN, THAT WHERE WE ACTUALLY SENT A LETTER TO THE CITY MANAGER REQUESTING WHAT THEIR ALLOCATIONS WERE, AND IN RESPONSE, THE CITY IS DOING THAT STUDY TO TRY TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
I UNDERSTAND IT MAY BE TONIGHT WHERE THEY ACTUALLY AUTHORIZE THE STUDY.
SO IF IT COMES BACK AND THE HOPEWELL DOES NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY, THEN WE DON'T HAVE A PROJECT THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH, AND AS MR. JABRI WOULD COME UP HERE IN JUST A MINUTE, WE HAVE APPLIED FOR GRANTS, AND THOSE GRANTS APPLY SPECIFICALLY TO THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE WASTEWATER CAPACITY HERE IN THE COUNTY, SPECIFICALLY THIS PROJECT.
IF WE WEREN'T IF THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US AN AWARD, THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD STILL HAVE A PROJECT, AND THAT'S WHERE THE REQUIREMENT FOR THIS BOARD TO COMMIT TO A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT WAS TO ENSURE THEY HAVE A PROJECT TO AWARD THESE FUNDS.
SO I WILL TURN IT OVER, THE MIC, TO MR. JABRI.
THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN BROWN, BOARD MEMBERS, MISS PUDLOW AND MISS ERARD FOR LETTING ME PRESENT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A VIRGINIA BUSINESS READY SITES PROGRAM GRANT, I'M GIVING YOU THE UPDATE KIND OF SOME BACKGROUND ON THE PROCESS AND THE STATE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED. SO ON SEPTEMBER 13TH OF 2022, THE BOARD APPROVED THE COUNTY STRATEGIC PLAN THAT IDENTIFIED A NEW SEWAGE PUMP STATION AND FORCE MAIN TO SERVE THE INDUSTRIAL PARKS AS A STRATEGIC PRIORITY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND PROSPERITY. OUR DEPARTMENT HAS SEEN MULTIPLE PROJECTS LOST DUE TO THE INEFFICIENCIES OF WATER AND SEWER AND THIS IS LEADING TO YOU KNOW, LOSING PROJECTS THAT COULD DIVERSIFY OUR TAX BASE.
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STATION AND FORCE MAIN PROJECT THAT WILL SERVE THE FUTURE WASTEWATER NEEDS OF CROSSPOINTE BUSINESS PARK.THE PROJECT WAS PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED AS DEBT ISSUANCE, WITH AN ESTIMATED COST OF $28 MILLION.
ON MARCH 5TH, OUR DEPARTMENT HELD A VIRTUAL SITE TOUR TO PRESENT THE PROJECT AND POTENTIAL ECONOMIC IMPACTS TO THE STATE VBRSP COMMITTEE. ON APRIL 16TH OF THIS YEAR, OUR DEPARTMENT HELD AN IN-PERSON SITE TOUR TO PRESENT THE PROJECT AND FURTHER TALKS TO THE VBRSP COMMITTEE, AND SO NOW WE'RE AT THE FINAL STAGE IN WHICH THE VBRSP COMMITTEE WOULD RECOMMEND THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE TO APPROVE, BUT WE DID RECEIVE SOME CONDITIONS FOR BOARD APPROVAL THAT WE WILL GO OVER ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO BELOW THESE ARE THE STATE REQUIREMENTS GIVEN TO THE COUNTY IN ORDER FOR THE GRANT TO PROCEED TO THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, WHICH IS THE LAST STAGE OF THE VBRSP AWARD PROCESS.
NUMBER ONE IS TO APPROVE, AND ALLOCATE 2 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER AND 2 MILLION GALLONS OF WASTEWATER TOWARDS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
1A, THE APPROVAL SHOULD INCLUDE COMMITMENTS TO APPROVE A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT FUNDING AS A WORST CASE SCENARIO. LIKE MR. HALTOM SAID THIS WOULD BE A BACKUP TOWARDS OUR PROJECT THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED.
THIS PROGRAM IS DESIGNED FOR CREATING SITES TO BE SHOVEL READY.
SO THEY'RE LOOKING FOR WATER AND SEWER IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS TO BE MADE FOR THE SITE.
NUMBER TWO, BOARD APPROVAL TO ALLOW EPC, WHICH IS ENGINEERING, PROCUREMENT AND CONSTRUCTION, DESIGN, BUILD OR OTHER STANDARD ALTERNATIVES TO EXPEDITE THESE PROJECTS.
THE STATE WOULD LIKE THE COMPLETION OF THESE PROJECTS TO BE WITHIN 2 OR 3 YEARS.
NUMBER THREE, THE FRAMEWORK FOR AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN SILVERMAN, WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE SITE, AND PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY, WITH BASIC TERMS AND CONDITIONS APPROVED, SUCH AS A CONTRIBUTION MADE BY SILVERMAN, THE UTILITY ALLOCATIONS THAT THEY WOULD RECEIVE AND COMMITTED LAND TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND PROJECTS AND PRICE PER ACRE.
AFTER SEVERAL MEETINGS HELD BY STAFF AND SILVERMAN.
WE HAVE AGREED TO THE FOLLOWING TERMS TO BRING FORWARD TO THE BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION.
SILVERMAN DESIRES TO DEVELOP AND MARKET THE PROPERTY FOR INDUSTRIAL USE.
WHICH THAT WAS REZONED BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022 FROM I-2, WHICH WAS FOR ROLLS-ROYCE TO M-2 . SILVERMAN GROUP WILL BE RESERVED, 1.3 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER CAPACITY AND 2 MILLION GALLONS OF WASTEWATER CAPACITY FOR THEIR PROPERTY FOR A CONTRIBUTION OF $5 MILLION, OR $8.3 MILLION.
IF THE COUNTY WAS TO HAVE TO CONSTRUCT A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
THE MINIMUM CONTRIBUTION WOULD BE $5 MILLION, AND ALSO, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE GRANT ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY FOR EVALUATION STUDIES.
THE SITE WOULD BE CONTINUED TO STAY IN ZONE OF INDUSTRIAL, AND FOR THE REMAINING OF THE GRANT TIMELINE, AND SILVERMAN WOULD MARKET 100 ACRES FOR SALE AT THE PRICE OF $105,000 PER ACRE DURING THE GRANT TIMELINE AS WELL, AND THE STATE REQUIRES THESE ITEMS TO BE FINALIZED BY JUNE 12TH OF 2024, AND SO NOW I'LL LET MR. HALTOM EXPLAIN THE RESOLUTION BROUGHT FORWARD TO THE BOARD AND HOW EACH CONDITION CONDITION IS COVERED IN OUR NEXT STEPS, IF THE BOARD WISHES.
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THANK YOU, AND ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS YOU KNOW, WE FEEL THIS IS OUR DUTY TO BRING THIS BACK TO THE BOARD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.STAFF CANNOT MAKE THESE DECISIONS ON OUR OWN.
SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR BOARD'S GUIDANCE.
THERE IS A DRAFT RESOLUTION IN YOUR BOARD PACKET SHOULD THE BOARD WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
SO WE I JUST WANT TO GO OVER WHAT THOSE WHAT THAT RESOLUTION LOOKS LIKE, AND RIGHT.
AS ALREADY MENTIONED, WHAT THE STATE'S REQUIREMENTS ARE THE RESOLUTION DOES STATE THAT THE BOARD WOULD AUTHORIZE THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT ONLY IN THE EVENT THAT THE CITY OF HOPEWELL DOES NOT HAVE THE NECESSARY AVAILABLE WASTEWATER ALLOCATION OF 5 MGD FOR THE COUNTY.
RIGHT NOW, THAT'S WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE IS FIVE MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
AGAIN, THE RESOLUTION WOULD ALSO DIRECT STAFF TO TAKE WHATEVER MEASURES NECESSARY TO EXPEDITE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS PROJECT, AND THAT WOULD EITHER BE COMING TO THIS BOARD AND LOOKING TO AMEND SOME ORDINANCES TO ALLOW A DESIGN BUILD TYPE SCENARIO, OR WE'D BE WORKING WITH A DEVELOPER TO ALLOW THEM TO BUILD IT TO OUR STANDARDS AND THEN CONVEY THAT INFRASTRUCTURE TO THE COUNTY.
WE'RE ALSO THE RESOLUTION DOES COMMIT THE BOARD TO ALLOCATING TWO MGD OF BOTH WATER AND WASTEWATER FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, AND AS AN AGREEMENT WITH THE VEDP WILL EVENTUALLY BECOME ONCE WE GET ALL THESE TERMS SETTLED, WE'LL COME BACK TO THIS BOARD WITH A FINAL AGREEMENT WITH BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND VEDP TO SOLIDIFY THAT AND ALSO THIS, THIS RESOLUTION COMMITS THE RESERVATION OF 1.3 MGD OF WATER CAPACITY AND 2 MGD OF WASTEWATER CAPACITY FOR SILVERMAN GROUP AND THEIR PROPERTY FOR A CONTRIBUTION OF $5 MILLION.
OR IF IT'S A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, IT WILL CONTRIBUTE $8.3 MILLION.
SILVERMAN GROUP WILL BE REFUNDED ANY SAVINGS REALIZED.
FOR CONSTRUCTION UPON RECEIVING THOSE BIDS.
SO ESSENTIALLY IT ONLY APPLIES IF THE BIDS COME BACK FAVORABLY BASED ON OUR ESTIMATES RIGHT NOW, OUR ESTIMATES FOR A TOTAL PROJECT FOR A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IS ABOUT $46 MILLION.
SO IF IT COMES IN UNDER THAT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REFUND SOME OF THOSE FUNDS, BUT THEIR MINIMUM CONTRIBUTION WOULD NOT GO BELOW $5 MILLION AND AGAIN, A FINAL AGREEMENT WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO THIS BOARD.
ONCE WE FINALIZE ALL THOSE TERMS AND THE BOARD WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE THAT AGREEMENT, AND FINALLY, THE COMMITMENT OF THE BOARD WOULD BE TO FUND THE ROUTE 156 TANK AND TANK AND BOOSTER STATION PROJECT.
THAT'S ESTIMATED AT $7 MILLION, AND THIS IS TO GIVE THE FULL CAPACITY OF WATER TO THIS, TO THE SITE.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO THE BOARD WOULD HAVE TO COMMIT TO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT OR DESIGNS UNDERWAY, BUT WE'D HAVE TO FIND THE FUNDING TO CONSTRUCT THAT PROJECT WITHIN THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 BUDGET TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS OF ALLOCATING THE FULL TWO MGD.
SO THOSE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS, AS MR. JABRI POINTED OUT, AND THE RESOLUTIONS HERE ADDRESS THOSE SPECIFICALLY.
WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
OKAY, I'LL START WITH MR. WEBB. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. JABRI OR MR. HALTOM? MR. HALTOM, THE DESIRED ROUTE IS HOPEWELL.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN MISCOMMUNICATED.
THERE SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM BUT THE BONUS TO THESE GRANT MONIES, WOULD IT OR WOULD IT NOT HELP US COMPLETE TWO TO MAYBE THREE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE NEEDED TO SAVE THE TAXPAYERS DOLLARS? YES, SIR. RIGHT NOW THERE'S THREE PROJECTS BEING CONSIDERED HERE.
WE HAVE THE RIVER ROAD TANK AND BOOSTER STATION PROJECT, AND THAT'S ESTIMATED AT 15 MILLION.
MR. JABRI MENTIONED EARLIER, BUT WE NOW ESTIMATE THAT AROUND $30 MILLION, AND THEN THE FINAL PROJECT IS JUST MENTIONED IS A ROUTE 156 TANK AND BOOSTER STATION PROJECT AT 7 MILLION.
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FUND THE ROUTE 156 TANK AND BOOSTER STATION PROJECT WITH THE FUNDS THAT WE, THE BOARD HAS ALREADY ALLOCATED TO THESE PROJECTS, PLUS THE GRANT FUNDS AND CONTRIBUTIONS.SO THAT'S WHY WE WOULD NEED THE ADDITIONAL 7 MILLION WITHIN THE 2026 BUDGET.
WHEN THIS FIRST CAME ABOUT, IT'S BEEN OUT A COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT GRANT MONEY'S USUALLY HARD TO GET WITHOUT SOME STATE HELP, AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR CLEAN INDUSTRY LIKE PHARMACEUTICALS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, NOT CHEMICAL PLANTS.
THE NEXT ROUND WOULD PROBABLY BE BASED ON WHAT THEY STARTED OFF WITH SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
WOULD PROBABLY BE, WHAT, HALF OR LESS THAN WHAT WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO GET NOW.
IT WOULD BE MORE THAN HALF, MR. WEBB. THIS YEAR'S APPROPRIATION IS AROUND 125 MILLION.
NEXT YEAR'S WILL BE 20 MILLION TOTAL.
MR. PUGH, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR INPUT? I JUST GOT SOME INPUT.
I GOT AN ISSUE THE WAY I FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS PERSONALLY.
YOU KNOW, OUR LAST MEETING, WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DISCUSS IT.
I'VE ALSO GOT AN ISSUE WITH THE WAY THIS IS READ.
HE'S TEXTED ME RIGHT NOW AND TOLD ME THERE'S A.
PUBLIC WASTEWATER COMMISSION MEETING ON THE 18TH.
YOU KNOW, WE KNEW ABOUT THIS GRANT.
WE WAITED TILL THE BOTTOM OF THE NINTH TO BRING THE BOARD IN ON IT.
THIS MORNING I GOT AN EMAIL TALKING ABOUT THE SILVERMAN GROUP.
THIS FIRST, I'VE HEARD ABOUT BEING IN TALKS WITH THE SILVERMAN GROUP.
CAN I CLEAR SOME THINGS. MR. CHAIRMAN? NO, HANG ON, HANG ON, HANG ON.
CAN I CLEAR SOME THINGS? FIRST OF ALL, MR. WEBB AND I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS AT OUR AGENDA REVIEW.
OKAY. EVERY AGENDA REVIEW, MR. WEBB REACHES OUT TO YOU GUYS TO SAY, PLEASE CALL HIM WRITE THE AGENDA REVIEW IS NOT JUST TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA THAT YOU MAY JUST LOOK AT BOARD DOCS.
IF THOSE PHONE CALLS HAD BEEN MADE, HE WOULD HAVE GONE OVER THOSE THINGS IN DETAIL WITH YOU.
SECOND OF ALL, THE MAYOR RESPONDING TO YOU IS NOT THE RIGHT PROTOCOL, SIR.
WHEN WE HAVE PEOPLE IN ADMINISTRATION THAT HAVE A JOB TO DO, THAT MAYOR SHOULD BE INTERFACING WITH THE PEOPLE IN OUR ADMINISTRATION, NOT WITH INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS.
I HEARD THE COMMENT TONIGHT FROM SOME PEOPLE THAT SAID THAT THE MAYOR RESPONDED TO THEM.
WE HAVE OFFICIALLY SENT COMMUNICATION TO HOPEWELL, AND IF THE MAYOR WANTS TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY, GET HIS CITY TO RESPOND BACK TO US IN THE MANNER THAT WE'VE REQUESTED.
WE NEED TO HAVE IT IN WRITING.
WE DON'T TAKE ONE OFF CONVERSATIONS TO THE LEFT OR RIGHT THAT'S CONFIRMATION FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD ON A PROJECT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING I APOLOGIZE IF YOU DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT IT UNTIL.
NO, NO, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU LIKE THIS, OKAY.
MR. CHAIR. POINT OF ORDER, MR. CHAIR. GO AHEAD, MR. WEBB. MR. PUGH, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT.
EVERYTHING THE VICE CHAIR JUST SAID IS CORRECT AFTER EVERY AGENDA REVIEW.
I HAVE REACHED OUT TO YOU SPECIFICALLY ON THIS MORE THAN ONE TIME, AND YOU'VE RESPONDED SAYING YOU WOULD GET BACK WITH ME AS SOON AS YOU GOT OUT OF A DUMP TRUCK OR WHATEVER ELSE YOU WERE DOING.
IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WORK WITH THE BOARD, HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO SHARE ANYTHING WITH YOU TO DISCUSS? MR. WEBB. WE TALKED ABOUT MR. WEBB. HANG ON. LET HIM FINISH.
LET HIM FINISH, AND THEN I'LL LET YOU RESPOND BACK TO HIM, OKAY? I'VE GOT THE TEXT MESSAGES.
MR. PUGH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE DISCONNECT IS.
IF IT'S ON MY END, I WILL ACCEPT IT, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS.
I HAVE NOTHING TO GAIN AND NOTHING TO HIDE.
I'VE SAID THAT FROM DAY ONE, FROM ANYBODY ON THIS BOARD OTHER THAN SHARING WITH YOU WHAT MY OPINION OR MY EXPERIENCES HAVE BEEN OVER NINE AND A HALF YEARS, AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN FOR WHAT'S BEST FOR PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY AS A WHOLE.
OKAY. NOW LET ME LET HIM HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND BACK TO YOU, SIR.
MR. WEBB, YOU ARE 100% CORRECT.
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AND MAYBE THIS COULD HAVE BEEN RESOLVED, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE'VE GOT SOMETHING BEFORE US TONIGHT THAT I'M JUST NOT IN AGREEANCE WITH.RIGHT, WRONG, INDIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, I RAN ON A PLATFORM WHERE I DON'T AGREE WITH THIS GRANT.
YOU KNOW, WE SAY WHAT WE WANT.
GRANTS COME AND GO. I SEE THEM ALL THE TIME AT WORK.
MY THING IS, I THINK WE NEED TO SIT DOWN WITH THE CITY OF HOPEWELL, AND I WOULD BE OPEN TO SITTING DOWN WITH THEM AND CREATING SOMETHING TO. GO AHEAD.
OKAY, WELL, I MEAN, IF YOU, THIS IS A DISCUSSION, IN MY OPINION.
YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, BUT THIS, MR. BROWN. HANG ON. MR. BROWN, HANG ON ONE SECOND.
HANG ON, HANG ON. THAT IS OUT OF OUR PURVIEW.
WE ARE NOT THE EXPERTS IN THIS, OR WE'RE NOT THE ONES WE'RE PAYING TO HAVE.
DO THIS. WE'RE GETTING WAY OFF BASE HERE.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE. IF YOU DISAGREE, THAT'S FINE.
JUST DISAGREE, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE COMMENT.
YES SIR, YOU ARE TOTALLY WITHIN.
YOU KNOW YOURSELF TO AGREE OR DISAGREE TO SUPPORT THIS, AND FOR ME, IT'S NOT ABOUT EACH PERSON ON THIS BOARD HAS A VOICE AND IT'S YOUR CHOICE WHETHER YOU SUPPORT ANY MATTER OR DISAGREE WITH ANY MATTER.
MY ISSUE IS THERE'S NOTHING BEING KEPT AWAY FROM ANY BOARD MEMBER, AND THAT'S THE POINT I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR, IS THAT I APOLOGIZE IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT IT WASN'T THAT SOMETHING WAS PURPOSELY DONE TO KEEP YOU OUT OF THE LOOP.
SO AGAIN, I STILL SAY, AND I HAVE SHARED THIS WITH YOU ON OTHER TOPICS.
YES, SIR. IT IS NOT A BOARD MEMBER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO INITIATE THIS TYPE OF STUFF.
WE HAVE STAFF AND WE DIRECT STAFF TO GO AND INVESTIGATE AND GET ANYTHING.
IF ANYTHING, IT'S THIS BOARD'S JOB TO SAY.
STAFF, PLEASE GET WITH THE MAYOR AND YOU GUYS GET THIS WORKED OUT.
SO THAT'S WHEN YOU HEAR THE COMMENT.
RIGHT. THERE'S BOUNDARIES THAT WE HAVE AND WE ARE NOT THE DAY TO DAY PEOPLE.
WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT DO THE DAY TO DAY ACTIVITIES.
SO AGAIN, I RESPECT THE FACT THAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN.
OKAY. I JUST FEEL THAT, AND THIS IS A WHOLE 'NOTHER BALL GAME, NOT IN REFERENCE TO THIS MATTER.
THAT'S WHY I MADE AN AMENDMENT TO THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
RIGHT? I HEAR YOU ON THAT, BUT UNDERSTAND STAFF'S FIRST RESPONSIBILITY IS TO THE CITIZENS.
THE FIRST THING, THEY HAVE JOBS DAY IN AND DAY OUT THAT THEY HAVE TO DO THINGS TO GET, AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN TELL YOU, BACK WHEN MISS DREWRY WAS GOING THROUGH BUDGET STUFF, WHEN MISS DREWRY WAS GOING THROUGH BUDGET STUFF.
I DIDN'T SAY YOU WERE YELLING.
I DIDN'T SAY YOU WERE YELLING.
I'M JUST SAYING WHERE THE PUBLIC.
[INAUDIBLE] LOOK, PLEASE, EVERYBODY BE RESPECTFUL.
YEAH. LET THE PEOPLE YOU VOTED IN TO DO THE VOICE HERE.
MR. BROWN TOLD ME TODAY ON THE PHONE THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO VOTE ON THIS.
I DID NOT TELL YOU THAT THERE WASN'T.
I'M NOT GOING TO. BE RESPECTFUL EVERYBODY OKAY.
WE'LL GET TO THE--JUST BE RESPECTFUL AS ALL I ASK.
ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SUPPORT SOMETHING OR NOT SUPPORT SOMETHING.
WELL, AND ALL I WANT US, ALL I WANT US TO DO TONIGHT IS THAT IF THERE'S QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED, EACH ONE OF US SITTING UP HERE HAS TO GO WITH OUR HEART TO DECIDE WHICH DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO IN.
YES, SIR. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
OKAY. IT'S NOT MY JOB TO INFLUENCE ANYBODY'S DECISION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF SUBSTANCE THERE FOR MR. HALTOM OR MR. JABRI? NOT AT THIS TIME.
YES, SIR. MR. COX, DO YOU HAVE ANY INPUT, SIR? I GUESS I'M GUILTY TOO, BECAUSE I TALKED TO THE MAYOR OF HOPEWELL, BUT JOHNNY AND I ARE FRIENDS, SO I GUESS I GOT PERMISSION TO TALK TO HIM, BUT I WANT TO, PULL YOUR MIC OVER SO
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THEY CAN HEAR YOU A LITTLE BIT BETTER.I, TOO, DON'T LIKE THE WAY THIS COME DOWN.
THERE WAS INFORMATION ABOUT THIS OUT IN THE STREET.
MR. STEELE JUST CAME BACK IN THE ROOM.
I ATTENDED HIS COMMUNITY MEETING IN DISPUTANTA, AND MR. STEELE ASKED ME A QUESTION ON WHERE WE STOOD WITH THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, AM I CORRECT? AND I TOLD YOU IT WAS DEAD, BUT THEN WE WERE TOLD THAT IT WAS NOT DEAD, AND I DID NOT HEAR ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT IT UNTIL THE 28TH, AND AS MR. PUGH SAID ON THE 28TH, WE WERE GOING TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA JUST FOR DISCUSSION.
NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, IT'S A VOTE.
I CAN UNDERSTAND. I WAS AT THAT SAME MEETING WITH YOU WHEN MR. STEELE ASKED THAT QUESTION, AND I THINK I REMEMBER RESPONDING AFTER YOU DID.
YOU'RE RIGHT. AT THAT POINT IT WAS DEAD.
I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS AGREEMENT BEING WORKED ON OR NOTHING AT THAT TIME, BUT-- ACTUALLY, YOU TOLD US MR. STEELE [INAUDIBLE]. PLEASE ALLOW ME TO FINISH.
I DID MAKE A STATEMENT, THOUGH, THAT, YES, IT'S DEAD FOR NOW, BUT IT COULD POTENTIALLY COME BACK AT SOME POINT OR I SAID SOMETHING IN THAT GENERAL FRAME.
I DIDN'T FIND OUT ABOUT THIS UNTIL A WEEK AGO, TUESDAY WHEN WE WERE IN THE AGENDA REVIEW.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, DID I NOT SEND YOU AND MR. PUGH THE FULL PRESENTATION AND REQUESTED YOU TO EITHER REACH OUT TO MR. STOKE, MR. HOLCOMB OR MYSELF, IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS VIA EMAIL.
THAT WAS TWO WEEKS AGO, THE 28TH? NO, SIR. I'VE GOT AN EMAIL, COUNTY EMAIL.
I CAN VERIFY THAT IT WENT TO YOU AND MR. PUGH, AND I ASKED YOU TO RESPOND BACK IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS TO MR. STOKE, MR. HOLCOMB OR MYSELF.
THAT IS CORRECT. I'LL BE GLAD TO SHOW IT TO YOU.
NO, THAT IS CORRECT, AND THAT WAS PRIOR TO THE 28TH MEETING.
WE GOT INTO THE MEETING LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO.
THAT'S WHERE MY HEARTACHE IS AT.
YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? [APPLAUSE] PLEASE.
PEOPLE, NO NO NO, THERE'S NO REACTION ALLOWED REALLY EVEN WHEN YOU SIT THERE AND CLAP DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS AND MISS ERARD, PLEASE, AM I INCORRECT WITH THAT STATEMENT? YOU'RE CORRECT. OKAY.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE REFRAIN FROM THAT.
NOW, I WAS ASKING MISS PUDLOW, WAS THERE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SAY BEFORE I GO? YES, MR. VICE CHAIR.
SO PRIOR TO THE MEETING ON THE 28TH, WHAT IS IT, VEDP, THEIR REQUIREMENTS TO MOVE TO THE NEXT STEP INCLUDED A DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
IF THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION.
AT THAT POINT, STAFF WAS NOT SURE WHAT THE BOARD WOULD DECIDE AND WE DID INFORM THE VEDP.
WE WERE NOT SURE HOW THAT RESOLUTION WAS GOING TO GO, BUT THAT WE WOULD ASK.
WE ASKED AND THEN AT THAT POINT THEY TOOK IT TO THEIR BOARD AND THE BOARD THEN CAME BACK DOWN WITH THE THAT IS COPY AND PASTED FROM THE EMAIL.
SO AT THE 28TH MEETING, OUR DIRECTION FROM THE VEDP WAS THAT IF YOU ALL VOTED TO EVEN HAVE A DISCUSSION ON WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, WE COULD MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEXT STEP, AND THEN AGAIN, THEY WENT TO THEIR BOARD AND THIS IS THE EXACT EMAIL THEY SENT US, WHICH WE WERE NOT AWARE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO PUT A STIPULATION IN THERE FOR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE THAT CLARIFICATION.
THERE ARE EMAILS WITH DATES THAT FOLKS CAN CAN REQUEST.
OKAY. POINT TAKEN, BUT I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW, AND I WANT THIS TO BE ON RECORD.
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SO I'M SORRY. I'M GOING WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ELECTED ME TO REPRESENT THEM.I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYBODY ELSE SAYS.
I'M GOOD. MISS WAYMACK, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT? NO, I HAVE NO COMMENT.
FOLKS, PLEASE, I'M ASKING YOU WITH ALL RESPECT, PLEASE STOP DOING THAT.
THE COMMENTS COMING FROM THE FLOOR ARE JUST IT'S NOT NEEDED RIGHT NOW.
IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT DISCUSSION.
SO I'M JUST ASKING PLEASE FOR THAT NOT TO HAPPEN.
ARE YOU READY FOR THE QUESTION? WELL, I'M READY TO FIND OUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AS FAR AS IN REGARDS OR, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MISTER HALTOM AND MISTER JABRI, THEN YES, I NEED TO KNOW.
HOW DO YOU WANT TO PROCEED? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY.
IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED THAT THE APPLYING FOR THIS GRANT FROM VBRSP WOULD BE DENIED.
YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. YOU'RE READY FOR THE QUESTION.
MRS KNOTT. WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. BROWN? NO. MR. COX. YES, MR. PUGH? YES.
MRS. WAYMACK? YES. MR. WEBB. NO.
OKAY, SO THE THIS VBRSP HAS BEEN DENIED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [APPLAUSE] FOLKS, I'M ASKING YOU, PLEASE NOT TO DO THAT.
EITHER WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE WITHIN THE RULES OF THIS BOARD, OR I WILL ASK THE CHIEF TO CLEAR THIS ROOM, AND I'M REALLY TRYING TO BE NICE ABOUT IT, BUT I'VE ASKED NOW FOR THE THIRD OR FOURTH TIME FOR THAT NOT TO HAPPEN.
TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE REST OF OUR BUSINESS.
THIS IS FOR THE PETERSBURG AREA REGIONAL TOURISM CORPORATION.
I BELIEVE THAT IS THE ONE WHERE MISS BOWMAN CURRENTLY IS SERVING, AND SHE WISHES TO BE REAPPOINTED.
SO WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? I MAKE A MOTION WE REAPPOINT MISS BOWMAN.
OKAY. IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED, AND SECOND, THAT WE WOULD REAPPOINT MISS BOWMAN FOR A THREE YEAR TERM ON THIS PETERSBURG AREA REGIONAL TOURISM BOARD.
MRS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? THE NEXT ITEM THAT WE HAVE IS A FOUR YEAR APPOINTMENT TO THE BRIGHTPOINT COMMUNITY COLLEGE ADVISORY BOARD.
AT THIS POINT, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY OTHER APPLICATIONS.
SO WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE, BOARD MEMBERS? MR. BROWN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE HOLD THIS PENDING CONVERSATION WITH MR. STOKE. OKAY.
CONCERNING THE DEPUTY. OH, YEAH.
OKAY. IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED, AND SECOND THAT WE WOULD GET WITH MR. STOKE ON THIS THE POSSIBLY DISCUSS ABOUT OUR DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR SERVING IN THIS ROLE.
MISS KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE DO THE ROLL CALL? ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT APPOINTMENT WE HAVE IS TWO APPOINTMENTS.
THIS IS A THREE YEAR TERM FOR THE RECREATION ADVISORY COMMISSION.
I BELIEVE IT'S MR. DREWRY AND MR. BROWN, KEITH BROWN, WHO ARE CURRENTLY SERVING IN BOTH OF THOSE POSITIONS, AND THEY BOTH WISH TO BE REAPPOINTED.
WE ALSO RECEIVED ONE ADDITIONAL APPLICANT FOR THAT POSITION AS WELL, BUT BOARD MEMBERS, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
APPROVE THE TWO THAT-- YES. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR.
IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECOND THAT WE WOULD REAPPOINT MR. DREWRY AND MR. BROWN ON THAT RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
MISS KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
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OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM THAT WE HAVE IS TWO APPOINTMENTS TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY FOR UNEXPIRED TERMS. ONE OF THEM IS FOR A TERM FOR, I BELIEVE, FIVE MONTHS, AND THE OTHER ONE IS A LONGER TERM.MR. CHEEK AND MR. WASHINGTON BOTH STEPPED DOWN FROM THAT BOARD, AND WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT HAVE APPLIED.
SO WE HAVE ONE THAT WE HAVE A SHORT TERM ON AND THE ONE WE HAVE A LONGER TERM, IF I REMEMBER.
SO AND THEN MISS JUDY CHALKLEY IS THE SECOND PERSON WHO APPLIED.
SO BOARD MEMBERS I WOULD I THINK WE TALKED AND WE SAID THAT THE PERSON THAT APPLIED FIRST, WE WOULD LOOK AT THE LONGER TERM AND THE SECOND APPLIED, WE DO THE SHORT TERM.
SO WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE THERE? MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPOINT ACCORDING TO THAT OKAY.
SO IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED IN SECOND THAT WE WOULD APPOINT MR. MASSENBURG TO THE LONGER TERM.
I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW.
MRS KNOTT WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? OKAY. THIS WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE THINGS.
[INAUDIBLE]. OH DID I? OH I'M SORRY. OKAY.
I WAS LOOKING DOWN AND PAST THAT ON ON MY SCREEN.
SORRY ABOUT THAT. WE DO HAVE ONE APPOINTMENT TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.
WE DO HAVE SOMEONE WHO WHO STEPPED DOWN, AND WE ONLY HAVE ONE APPOINTMENT.
IT'S A RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE JUDGE.
SO I HEARD FROM MR. COX. HE MADE THE MOTION, AND MR. [INAUDIBLE] IS SECONDING, AND THIS IS TO RECOMMEND TO THE JUDGE TO HAVE MISTER NOBLIN BE APPOINTED TO THAT BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS. MISS KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? OKAY, NOW, NUMBER TEN, AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO FILE A PETITION FOR WRIT OF SPECIAL ELECTION FOR THE CIRCUIT COURT CLERK, AND THIS WOULD BE MISS ERARD, OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MISTER CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MISS PUDLOW, I WILL BE VERY BRIEF.
UNFORTUNATELY OUR CIRCUIT COURT CLERK HAS TENDERED HER RESIGNATION, AND SHE TENDERED IT MAY 31ST.
IT'S EFFECTIVE THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR, AND UNDER THE STATE LAW, WHICH I HAD HOPED YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE BETTER THE COUNTY IS REQUIRED TO FILE A PETITION FOR WRIT OF SPECIAL ELECTION WITHIN 15 DAYS, AND I CANNOT FILE THAT WITHOUT YOUR AUTHORITY, AND SO I'M SIMPLY.
I'M SIMPLY ASKING FOR A MOTION AUTHORIZING ME TO FILE THE APPROPRIATE PETITION WITH THE COURT FOR THE COURT TO AUTHORIZE THE SPECIAL ELECTION IN NOVEMBER.
OKAY, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WE GOT TO DO IT. SO MOVED SECOND.
MISS KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? OKAY. WE DO HAVE AN ITEM THAT WAS ADDED TO TALK ABOUT FIRE AND EMS, AND I'M GOING TO ASK YOU, MR. PUGH, THIS IS TOTALLY YOUR DECISION BECAUSE IT'S GETTING LATE.
YEP. WOULD YOU RECONSIDER THAT WE WOULD PUT THIS AS A WORK SESSION ITEM ON OUR JULY 11TH MEETING?
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BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER MEETING BEFORE THEN.I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY KNOW.
ABSOLUTELY, AND THAT MIGHT BE JUST ME SAYING A COUPLE THINGS.
YEAH, GO RIGHT AHEAD. A COUPLE OF ISSUES THAT I'VE HAD.
I KNOW I SENT AN EMAIL THE OTHER DAY REGARDING SOME ISSUES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
I'VE SAID IT IN THE PAST, WE REALLY NEED TO BRING SOMEBODY IN AND LOOK AT OUR SYSTEM AND OUR DELIVERY OF SERVICE AND HOW WE ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING WITH OUR RESOURCE MANAGEMENT.
THE WHOLE NINE, AND I FEEL LIKE SOMETIMES IT FALLS ON DEAF EARS IN THE MEETINGS THAT I'VE HAD WITH, WITH CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST TO ME, IT'S COME TO A POINT WHERE WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
WE NEED TO BRING PROFESSIONALS IN AND GO AHEAD AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS THE SERVICE DELIVERY WE'RE GOING WITH AND WRITE POLICIES, PROCEDURES, WHAT HAVE YOU, AND MOVE THIS DEPARTMENT FORWARD.
SO WOULD YOU BE LOOKING FOR STAFF TO PULL TOGETHER THIS INFORMATION, COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION ON WHETHER TO BRING SOMEONE IN OR.
I'M JUST ASKING. SO I THINK I THINK IF IT WOULD BE OKAY TO HAVE THE STAFF MAYBE LOOK AT A COUPLE DIFFERENT AVENUES TO POSSIBLY BRING A MEDIATOR IN, TO SIT EVERYBODY DOWN AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE IN OUR ACCOMMODATION SYSTEM AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO MOVE THROUGH IT AND WORK FORWARD BEFORE WE BRING IN A NEW FIRE CHIEF TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM. OKAY, SO, MISS PUDLOW, I'M GOING TO LEAN ON YOU.
DO YOU THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNTY ADMIN COULD WORK ON TO BRING BACK TO SOMETHING FOR, LIKE A WORK SESSION? A WORK SESSION? YES, SIR. BECAUSE THAT'S TYPICALLY WHERE WE GET THE LOWER LEVEL DETAIL OF STUFF IS AT THE WORK SESSION.
FOR THAT NEXT MEETING? YES, MR. VICE CHAIR. OKAY.
ARE THE BOARD MEMBERS OKAY WITH THAT? I'M OKAY. MR. WEBB ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT, SIR? YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
I'VE GOT I'VE GOT SEVERAL QUESTIONS MYSELF BUT A WORK SESSION IS MORE APPROPRIATE.
SO AT THIS TIME SINCE WE HAVE A CONSENSUS, WE WOULD DIRECT STAFF TO GO OFF AND PULL TOGETHER THAT INFORMATION, GET THAT ON OUR JULY MEETING AND HAVE THAT LISTED IN THAT MEETING AS A WORK SESSION ITEM OKAY.
EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? YEAH. OKAY.
GO AHEAD. I HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
IS IT OKAY IF I COMMUNICATE WITH THE STAFF AND MR. STOKE ON THE SPECIFICS THERE? YEAH I WOULD ASK YOU TO REACH OUT TO MR. PUGH AND KIND OF GET SOME INDICATION, AND THEN ONCE YOU GET ALL THAT COLLECTED TOGETHER, SEND THAT OUT AS AN EMAIL TO US THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO BE GOING OFF TO BRING BACK TO THE MEETING.
I WOULD PROPOSE NOT ONLY MR. PUGH'S COMMENTS, BUT ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.
OKAY, SO I GUESS I WOULD ASK ANY BOARD MEMBERS, IF YOU HAVE ANY TYPE OF INPUT, CAN YOU TODAY'S TUESDAY, CAN YOU GET THAT TO MISS PUDLOW NO LATER THAN FRIDAY OF THIS WEEK? YES, SIR. THEN THAT GIVES.
IS THAT A GOOD TIME FOR YOU NEED IT SOONER THAN THAT.
THAT'S FINE. YOU'LL PROBABLY TELL ME YOU NEED IT TOMORROW.
RIGHT, SO THE THING IS, IS 30 DAYS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN COLLECT AND GATHER WITHIN THE 30 DAY.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS I HAVE QUESTIONS ON SPECIFIC.
SO DEFINITELY HAPPY TO WORK BEHIND THE SCENES.
BELIEVE WE HAVE COVERED ALL OF OUR AGENDA ITEMS, AND REAL QUICK.
YES, SIR. I JUST WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO THE BOARD MEMBERS.
I GOT A LITTLE LOUD TONIGHT OVER HERE, AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY I WAS APOLOGETIC FOR THAT.
SOMETIMES I, YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT SOMETHING, I'LL RAISE MY VOICE, BUT IT WAS NO ILL INTENT WHATSOEVER, AND I DIDN'T TAKE IT THAT WAY BECAUSE I CAN GET EXTREMELY PASSIONATE, BUT I'M A GEMINI, I REACT DIFFERENTLY.
[CHUCKLING] THAT'S RIGHT. SO I JUST WANTED TO APOLOGIZE TO EVERYBODY.
WE'LL GET THERE, WE'LL GET THERE.
SO NOTHING ELSE TO DO FOR TONIGHT? I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR US TO ADJOURN TO THE JUNE, JULY? JULY 9TH MEETING.
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IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE WOULD ADJOURN TO OUR JULY 9TH MEETING.MRS KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? ALL RIGHT, MEETING ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.