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MIC'S ON. EVERYBODY WANT TO TURN THEIR MIC ON.
[CALL TO ORDER]
GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.I WANT TO WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THIS MONTH'S PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
IF WE CAN STAND NOW FOR INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
AND WE JUST PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GUIDE US AND KEEP ALL OF OUR MINDS OPEN.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ALL RIGHT. OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS TO REVIEW AND ACCEPT THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.
[ADOPTION OF AGENDA]
CAN I HAVE A MOTION.I MAKE A MOTION WE ADOPT THE AGENDA.
YES. MISS CANEPA? YES. MISS ELDER? YES. MR. WAYMACK? YES. MR. BRESKO.
DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE TONIGHT BEFORE WE GET STARTED? NO. OKAY, LET'S MOVE FORWARD, THEN, TO THE ORDER OF BUSINESS.
[PUBLIC COMMENTS]
IF THERE IS ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE STEP FORWARD AND PROVIDE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.AND JUST A REMINDER FOR ALL OF THOSE THAT MAY BE FIRST TIME GUESTS HERE TONIGHT.
IF YOU DO SPEAK AT ANY TIME DURING THE MEETING, THERE IS A MONITOR WITH LIGHTS ON IT ON THE PODIUM.
YOU ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
SO WE DO ASK THAT IF YOU DO COME UP AND SPEAK, THAT YOU PLEASE PAY ATTENTION.
ARE THERE ANY ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT? GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS RICHARD TUTTERTON.
I LIVE AT 9750 BLACKWATER FARM LANE, DISPUTANTA.
SO I DON'T COME UP AND SPEAK ON EACH AGENDA.
I LOVE SEEING A HOME BUSINESS HAPPEN.
I THINK WE SHOULD DO EVERYTHING WE COULD TO ENCOURAGE THOSE HOME BUSINESSES.
I GREW UP WITH MY FATHER HAVING A MECHANICAL SHOP IN THE BACKYARD.
IT WAS HOW WE MADE OUR LIVING.
MANY OF US STILL DO SMALL FARMS. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
PROFFERS, I WAS SENT ALL OVER THE STATE OF VIRGINIA BY THE SOUTHSIDE VIRGINIA ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS, OR ACTUALLY BY THE STATE ASSOCIATION TO SPEAK AGAINST PROFFERS BACK IN 05, 06, 07, 08 TIME FRAME WHEN THEY WERE REAL POPULAR.
IT'S ONE OF THE WORST IDEAS THAT HAS EVER BEEN ADOPTED IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA ANYWHERE.
THEY ALREADY CAN'T AFFORD GROCERIES.
INFLATION IS KILLING OUR ECONOMY.
AND YET WE'RE GOING TO ADD 2 TO $300 A MONTH TO THEIR MONTHLY PAYMENT BECAUSE THE POLITICIANS ARE GOING TO SELL THIS AND THEY'RE GOING TO TELL YOU THE DEVELOPER PAYS THIS, THE DEVELOPER IS THE GUY WE'RE PUNISHING, THIS PERSON DOING THIS BUSINESS, WE'RE GOING TO PUNISH HIM.
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WE'RE GOING TO MAKE HIM PAY TO BUY INTO THIS COUNTY.ANYBODY RUNS A BUSINESS KNOWS YOU PUT THAT RIGHT DOWN ON YOUR BOTTOM LINE.
YOU ADD IT RIGHT ONTO THE TOP, AND WHEN YOU ADD IT TO THE TOP, YOU ADD IT TO THE VALUE OF THE HOUSE.
AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS? ALL THE TAXPAYERS ARE SAYING, HEY, THEY GOT THE DEVELOPER, THEY GOT THE DEVELOPER, THE POLITICIAN SELLS THAT BILL OF GOODS.
AND WHAT HAPPENS? EVERY HOUSE SURROUNDING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD STARTS RISING, THE VALUE GOES UP AND THE VALUE GOES UP.
AND WHAT DOES THAT DO THAT RAISES THEIR TAX BURDEN.
WE'RE TELLING THEM THE DEVELOPER AND THE BUILDER PAYS IT.
EVERY TIME I TURN AROUND, POLITICIANS COME TO ME AND THEY SAY, RICK, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO TO GET AFFORDABLE HOUSES? AND I AIN'T GOING TO LIE TO YOU, I WANT TO PUNCH THEM.
I ABSOLUTELY CAN'T STAND THAT QUESTION, BECAUSE WHAT THEY DO WHEN THEY RAISE THE FEES EVERY TIME, WHICH IS A TAX, EVERY GOVERNMENT FEE IS A TAX, NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.
SO WHEN YOU RAISE THE SEWER AND WATER FEE, WHEN YOU RAISE THE PROFFER, WHEN YOU RAISE THE BUILDING PERMIT, WHEN YOU RAISE THE COST FOR THE HEALTH PERMIT, YOU RAISE THE PRICE OF THAT HOME. SO DON'T ASK ME EVER IF YOU ALL PASS THROUGH THESE THINGS AND YOU SUPPORT THESE THINGS, PLEASE DON'T EVER ASK ME WHY WE CAN'T BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. TUTTERTON. WAS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TONIGHT? OKAY. THERE BEING NO OTHER, LET'S MOVE IN TO ORDER OF BUSINESS AND THE ADOPTION OF THE WORK SESSION MEETINGS FROM FEBRUARY THE 20TH,
[ORDER OF BUSINESS]
2024. I MOVED TO ADOPT THE WORK SESSION MEETINGS FROM FEBRUARY 20TH, 2024.YES. MR. BROCKWELL. YES, MISS ANDERSON? YES. MISS CANEPA? YES. ALL RIGHT.
NEXT IS THE ADOPTION OF THE BUSINESS MEETING MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY THE 22ND, 2024.
MR. BROCKWELL. YES, MISS ANDERSON.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THE MEETING SCHEDULE BE ADOPTED.
MR., I'M SORRY, MISS ANDERSON.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS]
ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME, WE'LL BEGIN OUR PUBLIC HEARING SECTION FOR THE NIGHT.THE STAFF WILL COME FORWARD, PLEASE.
THE FIRST ITEM TONIGHT IS REZONING OF RZ-24-01.
THE REQUEST FOR A NEW RESIDENTIAL TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT THAT WILL INVOLVE THE COUNTY.
OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR ANDERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
I'M A PLANNER PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS CASE.
SO THIS IS A REQUEST TO CONDITIONALLY REZONE 8.761 OR REALLY APPROXIMATELY NINE ACRES FROM R2 LIMITED RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO RTH2 RESIDENTIAL TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT.
AND THE PURPOSE IS TO DEVELOP UP TO 56 TOWNHOMES INSIDE OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.
SO A LARGER PORTION OF THIS OVERALL DEVELOPMENT IS INSIDE OF THE CITY OF HOPEWELL.
THEY'VE ALREADY HAD A REZONING PROCESS COMPLETED IN THE CITY OF HOPEWELL.
AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INDICATES THIS PROPERTY IS PLANNED FOR RESIDENTIAL USES.
ON THIS SLIDE, YOU HAVE A LOCATION MAP.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE FOUR PARCELS ARE.
IN THE COUNTY, THERE'S A COUNTY MAP VIEW IN THE TOP RIGHT CORNER.
SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS CENTRAL NORTH PART OF THE COUNTY.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE IT'S SITUATED IN BETWEEN INTERSTATE 295 AND THE SUBDIVISION, EXISTING SUBDIVISION INSIDE OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.
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AND THEN IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH IS THE CITY OF HOPEWELL.GOT AN AERIAL OR SATELLITE VIEW? REALLY? YOU CAN SEE THE PARCELS HAVE TREES ON THEM.
YOU HAVE THE REST OF THE PROPERTIES IN THE IS IN THE CITY OF HOPEWELL.
AND IT'S JUST GOT TREES ON IT NOW.
IT'S R-2 THAT'S LIMITED RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
IT'S KIND OF THE MEDIUM DENSITY ZONING, RESIDENTIAL ZONING OF THE COUNTY.
GOT A LOW BATTERY IN THIS REMOTE.
[LAUGHTER] SO BEAR WITH ME AS AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.
OKAY, HERE'S THE CONCEPTUAL MAP.
IT'S NOT PART OF YOUR ACTUAL DECISION BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
THE COLORFUL AREA TO THE BOTTOM SHOWS THE PROPOSED 56 TOWNHOMES LAID OUT ON PUBLIC ROADS, WITH SOME OPEN SPACE AND SOME A STORMWATER POND, STORMWATER RETENTION POND, WHICH WOULD BE A LIKE A VISUAL AMENITY FOR THAT COMMUNITY.
HERE ARE SOME RENDERINGS OF TOWNHOUSES.
THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO DO A PRESENTATION AS WELL.
AND THIS IS THE SMALLER PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS INSIDE OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.
THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE COUNTY FOR OVER A YEAR LEADING UP TO NOW.
AND THEY HAVE PROPOSED ADDITIONAL RECREATIONAL AMENITIES IN THE CITY OF HOPEWELL.
THOSE WOULD INCLUDE AND THEY'RE SHOWN ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
THERE'D BE A PORTION OF THE PEDESTRIAN TRAIL WOULD BE IN PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY.
THEY'D ALSO BUILD SIDEWALKS, AND THOSE ARE REQUIRED BY THE CODE.
AND THEY PROVIDED A PROFFER STATEMENT.
OKAY. JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I DIDN'T SKIP ANYTHING.
WE TALK ABOUT THE PROPOSED LAND USE IS TOWNHOUSES.
THEY ARE DEFINED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THE OTHER USES THAT ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT ARE SUMMARIZED THERE.
BUT THE ONLY REALLY THE ONLY RESIDENTIAL ONE IS TOWNHOMES.
SURROUNDING LAND USES AND ZONING DISTRICTS WE LOOKED AT MAPS.
COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING.
IT APPEARS TO BE GENERALLY COMPATIBLE, IT FEELS APPEARS TO BE SIMILAR IN NATURE.
A LITTLE DENSER, BUT SIMILAR IN NATURE.
OTHER APPLICABLE ZONING PROCESSES ARE MENTIONED THERE.
THOSE ARE WHAT THEY'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
THOSE ARE REGULATORY STANDARD REVIEWS WHERE DETAILED REQUIREMENTS ARE REVIEWED AT A LATER TIME.
AGAIN, RIGHT NOW YOU'RE JUST DECIDING ON A REZONING.
AND WE'VE MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS THERE'S ONE SECTION OF THE COUNTY CODE IN THE TOWNHOUSE ZONING DISTRICT THAT ISN'T QUITE MET ON THIS, BUT THE INTENT OF THAT WAS THAT THERE WOULD BE A MINIMUM LAND AREA OF TEN ACRES.
AND THIS IS VERY CLOSE TO THAT.
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PROFFERS REVIEW.SO LIKE I SAID, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A PROFFER STATEMENT.
YOU HAVE THAT IN YOUR MATERIALS.
THE SUMMARY OF WHAT'S ON THERE.
THEY HAVE A CONDITION ABOUT DEVELOPING IN GENERAL CONFORMANCE WITH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
THEY WOULD HAVE A ATTACHED GARAGE IN EACH UNIT.
THEY TALKED ABOUT LANDSCAPING.
THEY TALKED ABOUT THE RECREATIONAL AMENITIES IN PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY.
AND THERE WOULD BE A PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION.
AND THEY ALSO VOLUNTARILY OFFERED $3,500 CASH FOR EACH UNIT, THOSE THAT WOULD BE PAID AROUND THE BUILDING PERMIT TO CONSTRUCTION TIME FRAME.
ALL RIGHT. THIS SLIDE IS FOCUSED ON CASH PROFFERS.
WHEN I SAY PROFFERS, THAT'S A GENERAL TERM FOR PROMISES MADE BY THE DEVELOPER TO THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO THAT THEY'RE VOLUNTARILY GOING TO ADHERE TO DURING THE DEVELOPMENT. CASH PROFFERS IS A SPECIFIC TYPE OF PROFFERS.
THAT'S JUST WHEN THEY'RE OFFERING CASH.
AND BASICALLY YOU HAVE AND YOU HAVE A SUMMARY THERE OF THE CATEGORIES THAT THE MONEY THAT'S OFFERED AS A CASH PROFFER CAN BE SPENT ON WHICH INCLUDES SCHOOLS, PARKS, FIRE AND EMS AND PUBLIC SAFETY AND SO, YEAH, IT'S A CONTRIBUTION TOWARD THE ESTIMATED COSTS OF BUILDING CAPITAL FACILITIES SUCH AS SCHOOLS TO SERVE NEW RESIDENTS. SO THAT'S THEIR CONTRIBUTION THAT THEY'RE OFFERING IS TO $3,500 PER UNIT.
THAT IS LESS THAN THE CASH PROFFER RECOMMENDED MAXIMUM.
OTHER DEPARTMENT COMMENTS WE HAD VDOT.
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW THIS PROJECT IS INTO TWO DIFFERENT LOCALITIES.
VDOT WOULD ONLY REGULATE THE ROADS INSIDE OF PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY, SINCE THE CITY OF HOPEWELL MAINTAINS THEIR OWN ROADS. AND THEN VDOT ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THE ROADS ON THEIR CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
SINCE THEY'RE ONLY IN A CONCEPTUAL PHASE RIGHT NOW.
THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT NOTED THAT WATER SERVICE IN THIS AREA WOULD COME FROM VIRGINIA.
AMERICAN WATER, WHICH IS THE COMPANY THAT SERVES CITY OF HOPEWELL, AND WASTEWATER FLOW FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE HANDLED INSIDE OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY WITH THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY PUBLIC SEWER SYSTEM.
THE SCHOOLS PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS OFFER COMMENTS ABOUT THEIR NEED TO RENOVATE VARIOUS SCHOOL BUILDINGS THAT WOULD BE SERVING THE DEVELOPMENT.
THOSE WOULD BE BEASLEY, JE J MOORE AND PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL, AND THEY PROVIDED ESTIMATED NUMBERS OF STUDENTS THAT THEY WOULD EXPECT ESTIMATED COMING OUT OF EACH UNIT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEY NOTED THAT ONE OF THE THAT THE HIGH SCHOOL IS OVER CAPACITY RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE DEMAND FOR HAVING A WHOLE NEW HIGH SCHOOL.
THEY NOTED THAT STATION FIVE IS THE CLOSEST STATION, AND THEY HAVE SOME NEEDS AS FAR AS STAFFING.
AND THEY TALKED ABOUT THE DISTANCE THAT STATION FIVE IS AWAY FROM THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO JUST SOME CHALLENGES THAT THERE WOULD BE FOR SERVING THE NEW RESIDENTS.
NOTHING THAT THEY, CAN'T WORK THROUGH.
BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT EACH NEW RESIDENT PROVIDES NEW DEMANDS ON PUBLIC FACILITIES.
ANTICIPATED IMPACTS AND MITIGATION.
PARKING WILL BE PROVIDED ON SITE FOR EACH UNIT.
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THEY HAVE ATTACHED GARAGES, SO THAT'S A NON-ISSUE, WE THINK.THE MAIN ENTRANCE FOR THIS WHOLE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH AGAIN, MOSTLY IS IN HOPEWELL.
THAT ENTRANCE, THE MAIN ENTRANCE WOULD BE IN HOPEWELL.
NOW, THEY WOULD EXTEND MONROE AVENUE INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT FROM THE PETERSBURG SIDE.
SO THERE WOULD BE ACCESS THROUGH THAT WAY.
THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT THEY PROVIDED INDICATED THAT THERE WERE NO NEEDED IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ONE INTERSECTION THAT WAS MOST AFFECTED THAT WOULD BE MOST AFFECTED INSIDE OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.
THAT WAS THE INTERSECTION OF MONROE AVENUE AND OLD IRON ROAD.
AND VDOT OFFERED NO OBJECTION TO THAT FINDING.
AND REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THIS REZONING IS APPROVED, THE DEVELOPER PLANS TO PROCEED WITH THAT EXTENSION OF MONROE AVENUE IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THAT SECOND POINT OF ACCESS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
FIRE AND EMS DEPARTMENT WE TALKED ABOUT THEIR COMMENTS ALREADY.
AND THERE'S A NOTE ABOUT THE CASH PROFFER.
WHAT CONTRIBUTION THIS MAKES TOWARD THIS, THEIR CASH PROFFER WOULD MAKE TOWARD THOSE NEW COSTS FOR FIRE AND EMS. AND THE SAME FOR POLICE.
THERE WOULD BE NEW FACILITY COSTS FOR TO SERVE NEW RESIDENTS.
AND THERE'S AGAIN, THE CASH PROFFER WOULD COVER A PORTION OF THAT.
AS FOR PARKS, AND THE SAME THING APPLIES FOR COUNTY SCHOOLS.
COUNTY SCHOOLS TENDS TO BE THE MOST COST FOR NEW TO SERVE NEW RESIDENTS.
SO AGAIN, IT'S A CASH PROFFER WILL FUND, A PORTION OF THAT NEED.
PARKS AND RECREATION, SAME THING.
AND ALSO THE APPLICANT HAS PROFFERED TO PROVIDE VARIOUS RECREATIONAL AMENITIES IN THIS COMMUNITY.
WE POSTED A SIGN ON THE PROPERTY AND WE SENT LETTERS TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
WE POSTED AN AD IN THE NEWSPAPER.
WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST THIS REQUEST PRIOR TO THIS POINT.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE PROFFERED CONDITIONS.
WE PROVIDED OUR CONSIDERATIONS THERE FOR YOU.
THIS WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE REZONING THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE IN HOPEWELL.
WHERE THEY WILL HAVE TOWNHOUSES AND A MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING.
THERE WAS NO NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND THEY OFFERED PROFFERED CONDITIONS.
AGAIN, I'M TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THE PROFFERS THERE.
WHICH ARE GENERALLY ACCEPTABLE.
AS FAR AS ADJUSTING THOSE CASH PROFFERS OVER TIME, WHICH THEY ELECTED NOT TO INCLUDE IN THERE.
NEXT STEPS FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU HAVE THOSE HERE FOR YOUR REFERENCE, BUT THAT BASICALLY WILL MEAN DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME FIRST, BEFORE WE GIVE THE APPLICANT A CHANCE TO SPEAK. OKAY AND YOU CAN ALWAYS ASK LATER.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE APPLICANT COME UP AND I'LL PULL UP THEIR PRESENTATION ON THE SCREEN.
GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DAVID MONDS.
I AM THE DEVELOPMENT MANAGER FOR THE PRINCIPAL.
ABU M LLC, ALSO KNOWN AS MANSOUR REAL ESTATE.
OUR TEAM, MR. BASIM MANSOUR, WHO IS OUR PRINCIPAL, MYSELF, DEVELOPMENT MANAGER, MRS. JENNIFER MULLEN, WHO WAS OUR ZONING ATTORNEY WITH ROTH JACKSON, MARK BOYD WAS OUR CIVIL ENGINEER WITH KIMLEY-HORN, AND MR.
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OMAR KANAAN, WHO WAS OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER WITH KIMLEY-HORN AS WELL.GO BACK. WHAT IS HOPECREST? HOPECREST IS A 56 TOWNHOME COMMUNITY IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY, WITH AN ADJOINING 173 TOWNHOME UNITS IN THE CITY OF HOPEWELL WITH A 48 UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING.
THE COMMUNITY WILL PROVIDE A NUMBER OF AMENITIES SUCH AS A PICKLEBALL COURT, WALKING TRAILS, AERATED PONDS, THE CENTRAL POND THAT YOU SEE. BOTH PONDS NOTATED WITH THE LETTER E, WILL BE AERATED WITH FOUNTAINS.
THE CENTRAL POND WILL HAVE SEATING AS WELL AS WALKING TRAILS AROUND THAT AS WELL.
WE'LL HAVE A DOG PARK, A PLAYGROUND FOR THE KIDS WHICH WILL PROVIDE ACCESS BETWEEN BOTH LOCALITIES.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, SO WHERE IS HOPECREST LOCATED? HOPECREST BEGINS AT THE INTERSECTION OF BUTOR ROAD AND MONROE AVENUE IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY, ALONG THE INTERSTATE 295 CORRIDOR.
THE SECOND POINT OF ACCESS BEGINS AT THE OLD OAKLAWN BOWL IN THE CITY OF HOPEWELL. WHY IS HOMECREST IMPORTANT TO PRINCE GEORGE? IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE HOUSING STOCK.
EVERYONE KNOWS THE NEED OF HOUSING ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
AND WE COULD, YOU KNOW, BRING THAT ADDITIONAL HOUSING TO THE COUNTY WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WE WILL BE IMPROVING THAT AND EXTENDING MONROE AVE TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
THAT STREET IS COMPLETELY IN PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY AND IS A VDOT ROAD.
THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT IS ROUGHLY 37 ACRES.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ABOUT 19 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE ACROSS BOTH LOCALITIES.
OUR DEVELOPED RECREATIONAL SPACE IN THE COUNTY.
WELL, I WOULD SAY TOTAL IS 5.4 ACRES.
WE'LL HAVE 56 TOWNHOMES IN PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY.
AND 173 TOWNHOMES IN HOPEWELL.
BUT THAT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER.
THERE ARE SOME PICTURES OF OUR DESIGN PRECEDENTS.
WE'LL HAVE SOME WOODED TRAILS.
THERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF OUR PAVILION AND GAZEBO AERATED PONDS.
THE PLAYGROUNDS, THE PICKLEBALL COURTS AND THE DOG PARKS.
WE ARE PROVIDING STREET TREES.
AND DUMPSTER ENCLOSURES TO COVER THAT UP.
THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE SOME CONCEPTUAL TOWNHOMES THAT WE RECEIVED FROM NATIONAL BUILDERS.
WE ARE NOT BUILDING THE HOMES.
WE ARE DEVELOPING THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND HAVING A NATIONAL BUILDER BUILD THE ACTUAL PROPERTIES.
WE HAVE NOT SELECTED A BUILDER YET.
WE HAVE FIVE THAT ARE INTERESTED, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH YOU ALL FIRST BEFORE WE SELECT IT, BECAUSE YOU ALL MAY HAVE A PREFERENCE, BUT WE'LL GET TO THAT.
THE NEXT SLIDE IS FOR SOME MORE CONCEPTUAL TOWNHOMES.
AND THEN YOU'LL SEE A TYPICAL TOWNHOME BLOCK NOTATED THERE AS WELL.
YOU MAY BE WONDERING WHAT ABOUT THE NOISE? THERE IS A SOUND BARRIER BORDERING INTERSTATE 295 THAT ENCOMPASSES THE TOWNHOME PORTION OF THE COMMUNITY.
BETWEEN THE TOWNHOMES REAR PROPERTY LINE AND THE SOUND BARRIER, WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE A NATURAL TREE BARRIER TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT NOISE. WHAT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC?
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A TRAFFIC STUDY WAS CONDUCTED BY KIMLEY-HORN AT SEVEN INTERSECTIONS NEAR THE DEVELOPMENT.HOW MUCH WOULD THE TOWNHOMES COST? WHAT WE RECEIVED FROM THESE BUILDERS IS BETWEEN THE HIGH TWO HUNDREDS TO MID THREE HUNDREDS AT THIS TIME.
YOU MAY ALSO BE WONDERING WHAT ABOUT THE SEPARATION BETWEEN MUNICIPALITIES? THERE WILL BE NO TOWNHOMES ON THE MUNICIPAL LINE, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ALLEVIATE THAT CONFUSION IF THERE MAY ARISE.
WE ARE PROPOSING A CASH PROFFER CONSISTENT WITH THE LAKEWOOD TOWNS PROJECT IN THE COUNTY.
OUR PROJECT WILL OFFER SIGNIFICANTLY MORE OPEN SPACE.
A TOTAL OF 18.7 ACRES WITH ADDITIONAL AMENITIES SUCH AS RECREATIONAL COURTS, DOG PARK, WALKING TRAILS ACROSS THE 28 ACRES OF THE TOWNHOME PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT. WE WILL ALSO HAVE AN AERATED CENTRAL POND WITH A FOUNTAIN AND SEATING.
WE WILL ALSO IMPROVE MONROE AVENUE.
AND WITH THIS EXTENSION, IT WILL INCLUDE SIDEWALKS, THE REVENUE GENERATION, BASED ON THE DIRECT AND INDIRECT IMPACTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT, MITIGATE ANY ADDITIONAL SERVICES COSTS.
AND WHO KNOWS ABOUT THIS? LIKE TIM SAID, WE DID GET APPROVAL ON THE REZONING IN THE CITY OF HOPEWELL.
OUR WEBSITE IS STILL UP FOR THOSE WHO MAY HAVE INTEREST.
THESE LAST FEW SLIDES ARE HERE FOR YOUR REFERENCE.
WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS THE MULTIFAMILY PORTION BORDERING OAKLAWN BOULEVARD.
THE MULTIFAMILY BUILDING WILL BE THREE STORIES, 48 UNITS.
WHAT YOU SEE AT C IS THE DOG PARK.
AT F WE HAVE SOME WETLANDS ON SITE.
A IS WHERE WE'LL HAVE THE PAVILION.
WHAT'S THAT? AND THE PLAYGROUND.
SORRY. AND D REPRESENTS OUR WALKING TRAILS.
ANOTHER SHOT OF IT FROM THE HOPEWELL SIDE.
THE CENTRAL POND WITH THE AERATION AND FOUNTAIN.
AND THE PRINCE GEORGE SIDE AS WELL.
SURE WE'LL ALLOW THAT AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ALL RIGHT AT THIS TIME WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THIS UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
WHEN YOU DO SO, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
AT THIS TIME, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
RICK TUTTERTON, 9750 BLACKWATER FARM LANE.
JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND, IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT I DO, I AM A DEVELOPER.
I'M ALSO A REAL ESTATE BROKER.
AND I'VE SOLD REAL ESTATE IN PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY SINCE 1996.
THE WAY I DEVELOP IS FLAWED IN ITS OWN RIGHT.
I HAVE 38 HOMES THAT ARE ON 276 ACRES.
THAT SHOULD BE PARED DOWN, IN MY OPINION.
WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO DO 50 HOMES ON ONE ACRE LOTS INSTEAD OF DOING ALL THESE FIVE ACRE LOTS, AND WE COULD HAVE PUT INTO SOME KIND OF A CONSERVATION EASEMENT, 175 OR 80 ACRES OF FARMLAND TO CONTINUE TO BE USED AS FARMLAND.
EVERYBODY IN THIS COUNTY CLAIMS THEY WANT TO HAVE ALL OF THIS STUFF.
THEY WANT TO PRESERVE FARMING.
THIS PROJECT GIVES YOU 56 HOMES, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT GIVES YOU 56 HOMES.
AND LET ME JUST MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR.
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THIS EXISTED UNTIL TODAY.
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I FOUND OUT TODAY THE REASON I CAME HERE WITH THE PROFFER ISSUE.THE ONLY THING I DON'T LIKE IS THE FACT THAT THEY WERE TOLD, AND IT'S NOBODY'S FAULT HERE.
THESE PROFFERS I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH CASH PROFFERS, BECAUSE, AGAIN, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO PAY MORE.
EVERY ONE OF YOU ARE GOING TO PAY MORE BECAUSE THEY GET THEIR FOOT IN THE DOOR.
THEY WERE AT $75,000 IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA AT ONE TIME.
WHEN YOU CLEAR IT SEPTIC WELL AND BUY THE LOT.
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO FOR YOUNG PEOPLE? WE KNOW WE HAVE A HOUSING SHORTAGE.
SO WE COME UP WITH A TERRIBLE HOUSING SHORTAGE.
THAT'S WHY THIS THING HAS MANAGED TO HOLD ON EVEN IN WHAT I THINK IS A DANGEROUS ECONOMY.
THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I DON'T LIKE THAT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
I AM, I TOLD THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN 2005 THAT IF THEY KEPT PUSHING THE LITTLE BUILDERS, THE LOCAL BUILDERS, THE LOCAL DEVELOPERS AND KEPT PUSHING US OUT, SOONER OR LATER THEY WERE GOING TO GET HIT BY THE NATIONAL BUILDERS.
PERSONALLY, I THINK THE NATIONAL BUILDERS BUILD JUNK.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM. THEY GOT ATTORNEYS.
THEY CAN SUE ME IF THEY WANT TO. I'VE SAID IT PUBLICLY, I'LL KEEP SAYING IT AND I CAN PROVE IT.
I THINK THEY'D HAVE A BETTER SHOT OR BETTER SALES WITH THEM DUE TO THE PEOPLE HERE, BUT WE HAVE GOT TO DO SOMETHING THAT HELPS PEOPLE GET INTO HOUSES. WE'VE GOT TO GIVE PEOPLE SOME HOW TO START.
AND I KNOW I GREW UP ON FIVE ACRES.
I'VE ALWAYS LOVED BEING ON FARMS. I LIVE ON 70 SOME ACRES.
YOU COULDN'T PUT ME IN ONE OF THESE BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT WHO I AM.
BUT I WILL TELL YOU, THIS IS THE DIRECTION THAT THE WHOLE WORLD IS GOING.
THEY'RE NOT MAKING ANY MORE LAND, AS THE MAN SAID A LONG TIME AGO.
SO IF WE'RE GOING TO SAVE LAND, PLEASE APPROVE PROJECTS LIKE THIS.
I'M BEGGING YOU. IT'S SO MUCH EASIER TO POLICE THIS.
YOU GOT 56 HOUSEHOLDS RIGHT THERE WHERE THE POLICE CAN WORK RIGHT IN THAT LITTLE AREA.
IT'S SO MUCH EASIER FOR A FIRE DEPARTMENT TO RESPOND IN THESE LITTLE SHORT AREAS.
I STILL WANT TO KEEP STUFF LIKE WHAT I DO.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S WHAT I DO, BUT I WANT TO I'M GOING TO BE VERY INVOLVED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE I BELIEVE THERE ARE BETTER WAYS FOR US TO DO THAT, AND WE'LL STILL BE ABLE TO OFFER SOME BIGGER LOTS TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LIVE THE WAY I WANT TO LIVE, AND THE WAY OTHERS IN THIS COUNTY WANT TO LIVE.
BUT THE AVERAGE PERSON DOESN'T.
AND JUST I'M GOING TO CLOSE REAL SIMPLE.
AND I KNOW THIS IS A LITTLE CRUDE WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY, BUT I KEEP TELLING PEOPLE THIS.
IF YOU DON'T WANT MORE HOUSING, STOP BREEDING.
BECAUSE THAT'S JUST AS SIMPLE AS IT GETS.
WE HAVE A LARGER POPULATION THAN WE'VE EVER HAD AND THAT POPULATION IS CONTINUING TO GROW.
NOW, THE OTHER THING I WILL QUESTION REAL QUICK.
WHAT TYPE OF SUBSIDY DO WE GET OUT OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT? WHAT TYPE OF SUBSIDY DO WE GET OUT OF STATE GOVERNMENT? HOW MUCH OF THAT'S ALREADY PAID FOR? THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS, IF WE ONLY HAD 10,000 HOUSEHOLDS IN PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY, ONE TIME FEE OF $20, ONE TIME FEE OF $20, INSTEAD OF RAISING THE REAL ESTATE VALUE HERE, WOULD PAY OVER $200,000.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PROFFERING $200,000 ROUGHLY.
SO WHY ARE WE GOING TO CONTINUE TO PUNISH A BUSINESS THAT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING TO GIVE PEOPLE A PLACE TO RAISE THEIR FAMILIES AND GET STARTED? AND I WILL SAY ONE THING I KNOW I GOT TO CLOSE.
THIS IS ALSO THE WAY THAT A LOT OF SENIORS WANT TO LIVE.
THAT PROJECT OVER THERE IS A SUCCESS.
PEOPLE LOVE IT, AND SENIORS DO NOT NEED BIG YARDS TO TAKE CARE OF IN A LOT OF CASES.
SO THIS IS GOING TO BE MORE THAN JUST ENTRY LEVEL HOMES.
JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? WELCOME. PLEASE START OUT BY PROVIDING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.
I LIVE AT 4903 EDINBURG COURT.
MY QUESTION IS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW THIS WOULD IMPACT TAXES.
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AND WHERE MY HOUSE IS ACCORDING TO THE MAP, THIS COMES RIGHT UP ALMOST TO MY BACKYARD.SO I WANT TO KNOW IF WE WOULD BE KEPT IN THE LOOP AS TO HOW CLOSE THIS IS GOING TO BE TO OUR HOUSES.
THERE'S ONLY THREE HOUSES IN MY COURT, BUT MINE AND ONE MORE IS WHERE IT WOULD ACTUALLY ABUT.
AND I HEARD HIM SAY SOMETHING ABOUT TREE BUFFER.
SO. I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THAT WOULD EXTEND, YOU KNOW, AND SEPARATE US, BUT THOSE ARE JUST THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.
OKAY. WE'LL TRY TO GET THAT ANSWERED FOR YOU SHORTLY.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY. BECAUSE THIS TIME WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION.
AND NOW I KNOW THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS THERE, TIM FOR YOURSELF, FOR THE DEVELOPER, IF EITHER ONE OF Y'ALL WANT TO TRY TO SHARE, TO EXPLAIN THAT BUFFER QUESTION THAT THE RESIDENT HAD. I KNOW YOU HAD SEVERAL PHOTOS ALSO.
POSSIBLY ONE OF THOSE MIGHT HELP HIM BE ABLE TO GET A VISUAL.
OKAY, CAN WE PULL IT BACK UP? SO I'LL ADDRESS MR. TIM'S COMMENT ABOUT THE BUILDERS WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO, OH HE'S GONE.
LOCAL BUILDERS OR REGIONAL BUILDERS.
WE'VE BEEN APPROACHED BY REGIONAL BUILDERS.
ONE OF THE, I GUESS, THE OWNERS WHO WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY FROM.
HE WAS CONSIDERING COMING BACK TO BUY THE FINISHED LOTS AND DEVELOP SOME OF HIS OWN.
BUT IN REFERENCE TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT LIVES ON EDINBURG, I BELIEVE.
SO WE HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST 100FT OF SEPARATION BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY AND HIS.
SO NO HOMES WOULD BACK UP TO YOUR BACKYARD? I BELIEVE. OMAR, YOU GOT THE SITE PLAN.
HOW LARGE IS IS THAT STORM WATER POND.
WHERE IS EDINBURG ON HERE? PROPERTY LINE.
SHOW BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE PROPERTY LINE, THAT THE NARROWEST POINT IS 100FT.
SO YEAH, THE NARROWEST POINT IS 100FT, BUT.
NO, I WAS SAYING THAT [INAUDIBLE] THE STORM WATER POND.
I THINK IT MIGHT BE ON THERE, BUT I THINK IT WAS LIKE A ACRE AND A HALF, BUT A NICE SIZED POND.
I THINK HE'S INTERESTED MORE IN THE TREE BUFFER, HOW CLOSE IT'S GOING TO BE.
YEAH, I WAS TRYING TO LOOK AND SEE EXACTLY WHERE HIS STREET WAS.
IS IT GOING TO BE BORDERING THIS TREE BEHIND SECTION F OR? LOTS. OH, YEAH. AND THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE MIGHT HAVE BEEN YOUR PRESENTATION.
THE FOUR LOTS THE LAST TWO HOUSES.
SO WE HAVE SOME WETLANDS DOWN THERE.
SO WE'RE NOT IMPACTING THAT AT ALL.
SO IT'LL BE QUITE A BIT OF DISTANCE.
SO THIS SECTION THAT SAYS F AND THEN ALL OF THE TREES BEHIND IT, THAT'S THE WETLAND SECTION THAT WOULD BE? YES, MA'AM. YEAH.
SO OVER 200FT FROM OUR ENGINEER.
NOW I DON'T KNOW, IS THERE ANY.
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TIM ARE THERE ANY STAFF HERE THAT COULD EVEN ANSWER HIS QUESTIONS REGARDING THE TAX QUESTION? YEAH. THE BOARD SETS MAKES ALL THE DECISIONS ABOUT TAXES, SO I CAN'T PREDICT WHAT IF THIS WOULD HAVE ANY IMPACT OR NOT.OKAY. I'D LIKE TO ASK HIM A QUESTION.
HOW MANY BEDROOMS WOULD BE IN THIS TOWNHOUSE? GOOD QUESTION. THEY'RE GOING TO BE AT LEAST THREE BEDROOMS, TWO AND A HALF BATHROOMS. THE ONE CAR GARAGE.
ALL OF THEM WILL BE THREE BEDROOMS. YES, SIR. I THINK I REMEMBER SEEING A MINIMUM OF 1,276, 1200 SQUARE FEET.
DID ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU ALL. ADDRESSING HIS QUESTIONS.
ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME, I SAID THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS ALREADY BEEN CLOSED.
THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
WE'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR COMMISSIONERS IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THE MOTION? SECOND. ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
MR. BRESKO? YES. MR. BROCKWELL? YES.
OKAY. MOVING TO OUR NEXT TOPIC TONIGHT IS FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTION SE 23-11.
TO PERMIT A PER PROVINCE PRESCHOOL FOR CHILDREN.
CLOSE THAT DOOR WHEN THEY GO OUT.
THIS IS A REQUEST WITHIN A GENERAL BUSINESS ZONING DISTRICT TO PERMIT A PRIVATE SCHOOL OR PRESCHOOL SPECIFICALLY, AND FOR CHILDREN AGES 3 TO 5 AND A CHILDCARE CENTER FOR CHILDREN AGES 3 TO 12.
SUBJECT PROPERTY IS AT THE CROSSINGS SHOPPING CENTER.
THE ADDRESS IS 5258 OAK LAWN BOULEVARD AND IS IDENTIFIED AS A TAX MAP NUMBER PROVIDED THERE, AND THE COMP PLAN SAYS THIS PROPERTY IS APPROPRIATE FOR COMMERCIAL USE.
SO LOCATION MAP SHOWS THE CROSSING SHOPPING CENTER.
AND BEFORE IT WAS THE DESTINATION CHURCH, IT WAS THE THEATER [LAUGHTER] PROBABLY [INAUDIBLE].
AND ON THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SHOPPING CENTER.
AND ON THIS SLIDE, ANOTHER VIEW WITH THE SECTION OF THE BUILDING OUTLINE ROUGHLY.
AND ON THE SLIDE YOU CAN SEE THE ZONING MAP.
IT'S ZONED B1 GENERAL BUSINESS.
REQUEST AGAIN I MENTIONED WHAT IT IS.
IT'S PRESCHOOL AND DAYCARE FOR CHILDREN AGES 3 TO 12.
ESSENTIALLY THAT WOULD INCLUDE SUMMER PROGRAMS. SO THIS WOULD OPERATE YEAR ROUND.
IT WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
IT'S NOT JUST FOR CHURCH MEMBERS.
THEY COULD HAVE UP TO 250 KIDS THERE, BUT THAT WOULD BE LIMITED BY THE BUILDING CODE.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CONDITIONS TO LIMIT THAT NUMBER.
THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE CHURCH FOR THE DAYCARE WOULD BE ABOUT ALMOST 12,000FT².
THEY WANT TO OPEN UP THIS YEAR.
THEY'D BE OPEN FOR THIS ACTIVITY MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, HOURS OF OPERATION 8 A.M.
TO 5 P.M.. AND THE PICKUP AND DROP OFF COULD BE AT THE FRONT OR BACK OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN IF YOU RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DENIAL, IT WILL GO TO THE BOARD FOR A DECISION.
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THERE WEREN'T ANY OUTSTANDING COMMENTS FROM OTHER COUNTY STAFF.THEY WOULD HAVE TO UPDATE THEIR PERMITS WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT.
AND THEY MAY NEED A BUSINESS LICENSE FOR THE BUSINESS.
THERE WERE NONE FOR THIS REQUEST.
WE ADVERTISED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STATE CODE.
STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
AND RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS ARE MINIMAL.
BASICALLY JUST SPECIFYING WHAT LAND USE IS APPROVED.
AND THEN A PRETTY STANDARD CONDITION IS REQUIRING ALL FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL LICENSES OR PERMITS TO BE MAINTAINED, OBTAINED AND MAINTAINED FOR THE APPROVED USES. SO YOU HAVE THE FULL LIST OF THOSE CONDITIONS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, AND YOU HAVE SAMPLE MOTIONS, I BELIEVE, FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL OR POSTPONEMENT.
SO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR FOR STAFF? OKAY. AND IS THERE ANYONE FROM DESTINATION CHURCH THAT WANTS TO COME UP THAT'S REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT? I'M NOT SEEING. OKAY.
IS THERE ANYONE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT? THE PERSON THAT I'VE DEALT WITH IS NOT HERE.
TIME FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
THE ONLY THING THAT I'M LIKE, A LITTLE PUZZLED BY ARE THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
I'VE NEVER KNOWN A DAYCARE THAT DOESN'T HAVE PARENTS THAT PICK UP CHILDREN LATE.
BY THEM LIMITING THE STRICTLY JUST TO 8 TO 5 IN THE HOURS, WOULD THAT CAUSE ANY TYPE OF A VIOLATION IF THEY HAVE ISSUES OF PARENTS PICKING UP CHILDREN LATE? I WAS JUST CONCERNED. YEAH, MAYBE THEY SHOULD HAVE EXPANDED THOSE HOURS TO ALLOW FOR THOSE TYPES OF CONDITIONS.
I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT NOT HAPPEN BEFORE.
SO I JUST DIDN'T WANT THEM TO BOX THEMSELVES INTO, YOU KNOW, A PROBLEM THAT I JUST WASN'T SURE.
WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED A VIOLATION OR WOULD IS IT STILL ALLOWABLE THAT HOURS? IS THAT JUST AN ESTIMATE? WELL, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
HOWEVER, WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING THAT THERE BE A CONDITION ON THOSE HOURS.
JUST AS CONSISTENT WITH ANY OTHER BUSINESS IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER.
OKAY, SO THERE'S NO CONDITION TO RESTRICT THEIR HOURS OF OPERATION.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO INTO PUBLIC HEARING? NO. ALL RIGHT.
AT THIS TIME, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THIS FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
IF ANY CITIZENS WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.
BEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE A MOTION RECOMMENDATION FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS? I MOVE TO FORWARD REQUEST SE-23-11 TO THE BOARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
MR. BROCKWELL? YES. MR. BRESKO? YES.
OUR THIRD ITEM TONIGHT FOR PUBLIC HEARING IS SPECIAL EXCEPTION SE 24-01 FOR A RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT TO PERMIT A BORROW PIT, AS WELL AS SOME SALES OF FOREST PRODUCTS.
BUT, MISS ANDERSON, YOU COVERED IT FOR THE MOST PART.
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AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST IS TO ALLOW DESIGNATED AREAS OF THE LAND TO BE EXCAVATED AND BACKFILLED AND TO MULCH AND AGRICULTURAL AND FOREST PRODUCTS ON SITE, AND TO PROVIDE ONLINE SALES PICKUP FOR MATERIALS STORED ON SITE.TAX MAP NUMBERS ARE PROVIDED HERE.
THERE'S THREE TAX MAPS NUMBERS INVOLVED, AND THEY'RE THE LAND USE IS PROPOSED TO OCCUR IN A SMALLER AREA WITHIN THAT OVERALL, THOSE OVERALL TAX PARCELS ARE TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 85 ACRES OUT OF THE TOTAL PARCEL SIZE OF 238 ACRES. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INDICATES THIS PROPERTY IS PLANNED FOR VILLAGE, CENTER AND RESIDENTIAL LAND USES.
HERE'S A MAP OF THOSE THREE PARCELS.
THEY ESSENTIALLY ARE FORM THE ENTIRE DISTANCE FROM WHERE HOPEWELL TURNS INTO PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY, ALL THE WAY ALONG THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF ROUTE TEN, OR JAMES RIVER DRIVE UNTIL YOU GET TO RUFFIN ROAD.
AND THERE'S A SATELLITE VIEW SHOWING THE PROPERTY AS OF 2020.
AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE TWO ENTRANCE LOCATIONS WERE ALREADY IN PLACE THERE.
YOU CAN SEE ONE ON ROUTE 10 TO THE NORTH AND ONE ON RUFFIN ROAD TO THE EAST.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE BREAK IN THE TREES IS TO ENTER THE PROPERTY.
IT SHOWS THIS PROPERTY IS ENTIRELY ZONED RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL.
AND HERE'S THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND USE MAP, WHICH SHOWS IN THE FUTURE.
THIS PROPERTY IS PLANNED FOR VILLAGE CENTER AND RESIDENTIAL USES.
AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE PLANNED FOR PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL USES.
THE LAYOUT OF THE PROPERTY IS SHOWN HERE.
AGAIN, IT'S A SMALLER AREA WITHIN THE OUTER BOUNDARIES OF THE PROPERTY.
THE SMALLER WORK AREA ON THE SOUTHEAST PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY IS THE INITIAL AREA WHERE THEY WOULD BEGIN AND THEN THEY WOULD EXPAND TO A LARGER AREA OVER TIME.
AGAIN, THIS APPLICANT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE COUNTY FOR SOME TIME.
AND THERE IS A SOME LAND RECLAMATION GOING ON WHERE THEY'RE CLEARING TREES AND THEN WORKING TO REESTABLISH FARMLAND. SO THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE DRIVING BY THE PROPERTY, LOOKING THROUGH THE TREES.
THE APPLICANTS GOALS AGAIN ARE A BORROW PIT, WHICH MEANS EXTRACTING RESOURCES FROM THE SITE, TAKING THEM OFF SITE THE PROCESSING OF NATURAL MATERIALS SUCH AS BRUSH AND TREES FROM THE SITE AND ALSO IMPORTED TO THE SITE.
AND THEN THAT'S BASICALLY MULCHING THAT STUFF AND THEN MIXING SOIL ON THE SITE, AND THEN SALE OF THOSE MATERIALS, THE MULCHED AND MIXED SOIL AND NATURAL DEBRIS.
SO THOSE THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO DO ARE ENCOMPASSED WITHIN THE LAND USE ORDINANCE.
THOSE CODE REFERENCES ARE PROVIDED THERE AND THE NAMES OF THOSE USES ARE PROVIDED THERE EXTRACTION OF NATURAL RESOURCES, PROCESSING OF AGRICULTURAL AND FOREST PRODUCTS AND LANDSCAPING SUPPLIES SALES.
ACTION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION TONIGHT IS THE SAME AS THE OTHER REQUESTS.
IT'S RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DENIAL AND FORWARD THIS TO THE BOARD FOR A DECISION.
FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT OUR COMMENTS INCLUDE THE SURROUNDING LAND USES.
THERE'S NOT VERY MUCH OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
SURROUNDING ZONING DISTRICTS INCLUDE THE SAME ZONING RA AS WELL AS R1 AND R2.
WE LOOKED AT A ZONING MAP. SO YOU SAW THAT.
THIS IS GENERALLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES.
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AS LONG AS THERE'S SUFFICIENT, YOU KNOW, DISTANCE BUFFERING AND VISUAL SCREENING TO SHIELD VIEW OF THE ACTIVITIES FROM SURROUNDING ROADS AND PROPERTIES AND THEN POTENTIALLY PROVIDE A SOUND OR NOISE BUFFER AS WELL WITH THOSE TREES IN PLACE.SO THIS ISN'T QUITE WHAT THAT WAS ASKING FOR.
AFTER THE BORROW PIT OPERATIONS CONCLUDE THE LANDOWNERS PLAN IS TO CONDUCT AGRICULTURAL USES ON PART OF THE PROPERTY, AND THE LAND IS ALREADY ZONED TO ALLOW THAT. REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GUIDANCE IS FOR THE FUTURE.
SO A SITE PLAN REVIEW WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO THIS, AND THAT WOULD BE WHERE THEY WOULD PROVIDE A DETAILED LAYOUT OF EVERYTHING OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED TO HAPPEN TO THE LAND.
AND SO EVERYTHING WOULD BE REVIEWED IN DETAIL AT THAT TIME.
THERE'S A WHOLE COUNTY CODE SECTION WITH ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS.
OF COURSE, THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION DECISION IS ABOUT IS THIS APPROPRIATE ON THIS PROPERTY WITH APPROPRIATE CONTROLS IN PLACE? THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION VDOT MENTIONED IN THEIR COMMENTS ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL ENTRANCES BEING REQUIRED AND IF WARRANTED TURN LANES WOULD BE REQUIRED.
AND THAT WOULD HAPPEN DURING THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS, WHICH I MENTIONED A MOMENT AGO.
BUT BASED ON THAT ANTICIPATED TRIP GENERATION THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT AND THAT WE'VE PUT IN OUR RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS, IT'S NOT ANTICIPATED THAT TURN LANES WOULD BE WARRANTED DURING THAT PROCESS TO FOLLOW.
AND VDOT INDICATED THAT BASED ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN SUBMITTED, THE PROPOSED ENTRANCES WOULD MEET THEIR SPACING REQUIREMENTS, HOW FAR THEY ARE FROM INTERSECTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. ENVIRONMENTAL DIVISION IN THE COUNTY SAID THAT ANY LAND DISTURBING ACTIVITY FOR EXCAVATION MUST BE COVERED UNDER PERMIT WITH DEPARTMENT, THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY AND THE OTHER LAND DISTURBING ACTIVITIES THAT AREN'T COVERED UNDER THAT LAND RECLAMATION CONSERVATION COMPLIANCE PLAN WILL NEED TO BE COVERED UNDER A SPECIAL PERMIT ISSUED BY DEQ DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY.
SO THERE'S SOME STATE AGENCY PERMITS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THE STUFF GOING ON IN THIS PROPERTY.
OKAY. DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY RECEIVED A COPY OF THESE MATERIALS AND THEY PROVIDED SOME COMMENTS BASICALLY TO THE EFFECT THAT THEY'VE INTERACTED WITH THE APPLICANT.
AND HE KNOWS AND THEY KNOW THAT HE NEEDS TO GET A STATE DEPARTMENT PERMIT WHEN IF THIS PROJECT PROGRESSES PAST THE STAGE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY TALKING ABOUT THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION PROCESS.
AND THEY'LL REVIEW FOR WHAT THEY REGULATE.
ANTICIPATED IMPACTS OF THIS PROJECT WOULD INCLUDE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC.
NOW, THE APPLICANT PROVIDED SOME ESTIMATES OF THE TRAFFIC NUMBERS THAT THEY ANTICIPATE IN TERMS OF LOAD TRUCK LOADS COMING IN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY EACH DAY OR EACH WEEK.
AND THEY SAID THERE'D BE APPROXIMATELY 15 LOADS OF BRUSH IMPORTED PER WEEK TO BE PROCESSED.
THEY SAID THERE'D BE APPROXIMATELY 10 TO 50 LOADS A RANGE OF NUMBER THERE PER DAY OF TOPSOIL THAT WOULD BE IMPORTED TO THE PROPERTY AND THEN MIXED ON SITE WITH SAND FROM THE BAR PIT THAT THEY'RE DIGGING.
AND THEN THEY ALSO SAID THERE WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 10 TO 40 LOADS PER DAY OF MATERIALS THAT THEY HAVE SOLD THAT WOULD LEAVE THE PROPERTY EXPORTED FROM THAT BAR PIT AND THEIR PROCESSING OF MIXING MATERIALS ON THE SITE.
AND OF COURSE, THOSE LOADS WOULD INCREASE AS THE OPERATION EXPANDS.
AND THEY SAID THAT THAT MAY EXCEED 100 LOADS INCOMING OR OUTGOING ON A DAILY BASIS.
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COULD BE ON A DAILY BASIS.AND THE MITIGATION THEY ALSO PROVIDED OR SORRY.
AND THEY ALSO MENTIONED WHAT I MENTIONED BEFORE ABOUT THE TURN LANES, WHICH IS DETERMINED LATER ON IN THE PROCESS, BUT THEY'RE NOT ANTICIPATED TO BE REQUIRED. THE VISUALS OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE VISIBLE ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES OR FROM THE ROAD IF THEY'RE NOT OTHERWISE SCREENED.
SO THE APPLICANT IS IN SUPPORT OF A CONDITION OF REQUIRING A MINIMUM OF 100FT OF TREES AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE OPERATIONS, THERE WOULD BE NOISE FROM VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT ON THE PROPERTY.
NOW, THERE'S A COUNTY NOISE ORDINANCE TO ENFORCE WHATEVER REQUIREMENTS APPLY TO ANYONE ELSE.
AND THAT TREE BUFFER SHOULD ALSO HELP TO LIMIT NOISE LEAVING THE PROPERTY.
IT'S ALSO A VERY LARGE PROPERTY, SO THERE'S SOME GOOD DISTANCE FROM OTHER SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
AND THE APPLICANT HAS VOLUNTEERED TO HAVE A CONDITION REQUIRING THAT HE KEEP OR ANY OTHER BUSINESS OPERATOR KEEP THOSE PUBLIC ROADS CLEAR OF DEBRIS AND DUST.
SO THAT'S HOW THE DUST AND DEBRIS WOULD BE MITIGATED.
THEIR PERSON ACROSS RUFFIN ROAD, NORWOOD WILSON.
AND THOSE CONDITIONS INCLUDE SPECIFYING WHAT USES WHICH WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND EXTRACTION, NATURAL RESOURCES, THE LANDSCAPING, SUPPLY, SALES AND THE PROCESSING OF NATURAL PRODUCTS.
AND THEY COULD EXCEED THAT TO TRY TO GIVE THEM SOME FLEXIBILITY.
AND THEN THE CONDITION ABOUT THE 100FT OF TREE BUFFER TREES WOULD BE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE OPERATIONS, AND A CONDITION ABOUT OBTAINING A DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY PERMIT BEFORE BEGINNING OPERATIONS.
WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS IN THE WORK SESSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC COULD BRING THEIR YARD DEBRIS TO THIS PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CONTEMPLATED WHEN WE STAFF REVIEWED THIS REPORT.
THAT WOULD GENERATE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC.
ONLY THE OPERATOR SHALL BE AUTHORIZED TO IMPORT MATERIALS TO THE SITE, AND CUSTOMER TRAFFIC INTO THE SITE SHALL BE FOR THE PURPOSE OF PICKING UP THE SOLD MATERIALS TO BE TRANSPORTED OFF SITE, SO IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE GENERAL PUBLIC BRINGING YOU KNOW, THE FALLEN TREE ONTO THE PROPERTY.
I HOPE THAT MAKES SOME SENSE THERE.
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SO THAT COVERS THE CONDITIONS THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING.IF WE HAVE THIS RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL, THAT'S WE RECOMMEND THOSE CONDITIONS BE PART OF THAT.
AND SO THE NEXT STEPS FOR TONIGHT WOULD BE TO ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
AND I THINK THE APPLICANT ALSO WOULD LIKE TO COME UP.
AND YOU CAN ASK HIM ANY QUESTIONS AFTER HE SPEAKS.
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS IF YOU HAD A DAY, FIVE DAYS WORTH 250 LOADS ARE GOING IN, AND COMING OUT IT'S NOT GOING TO REQUIRE TURN LANES? CORRECT. THAT'S ACCORDING TO VDOT.
YEAH, I THINK THE TURN LANES ARE BASED ON PEAK FLOW AND HOW OFTEN AND DIFFERENT TIMES OF DAY.
SO THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT THOSE 250 WOULD BE SPREAD OUT THE DAY.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ALL AT ONCE.
BUT EITHER WAY, VDOT GOT THAT SAME INFORMATION AND IT DIDN'T CHANGE THEIR ANSWER ON THAT.
BUT AGAIN, THAT WILL BE LOOKED AT AGAIN AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
SO IF THERE'S ANY CLARIFICATION NEEDED THEN THAT'LL HAPPEN THEN.
AND THEN THE SECOND ONE BEING FOR MINING.
THAT DOESN'T LIMIT HIM TO STARTING ANY OPERATIONS, WOULD IT? BECAUSE THAT PERMIT IS ONLY REQUIRED.
SO THAT WOULD IN THAT CASE, THAT'S ONLY APPLYING TO THE EXTRACTION OPERATIONS.
ONE IS THE EXTRACTION OF MATERIAL THAT'S REGULATED BY DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY PERMIT.
SO THAT DEPARTMENT OF STATE WOULD BE PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PROCESSING OF MATERIALS AND THE SALE OF MATERIALS.
AND THAT'S WHERE IT NEEDS THIS EXTRA, YOU KNOW, APPROVAL FROM THE COUNTY.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR TIM BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP TO THE APPLICANT.
NO. DID THE APPLICANT WANT TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION? GOOD EVENING, MIKE ELLIS.
ELLIS COMPANIES. ELLIS CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS IN HOLLAND.
TIM, THANKS FOR HELPING ME OUT ON THAT.
BORROW PITTS HAS BEEN IN THE COUNTY FOR A LONG TIME.
IT'S A LOT OF INTRICATE PARTS INTO IT.
AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN AN AVERAGE BORROW PIT.
AND THE RAVINES ARE COLLAPSING, FAILING, GETTING ALL PULLED OUT.
SO THERE'S MULTIPLE PARTS THAT ARE HELPING THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO REALLY RECLAIMING HER PROPERTY TO PREVENT THE FAILURE OF THE RAVINES, THE KUDZU JUST OVERGROWN.
SO THAT WAS A BIG PART OF US EVEN GETTING THIS STARTED.
AND AS TIM SAID, SOME OF THE OTHER PARTS IN THE BORROW PIT AND THE LOADS COMING IN AND OUT, SO WE'LL YOU GOT, YOU GOT TO CLEAR THE IT WAS LOGGED MANY YEARS AGO PROBABLY WHAT, TEN YEARS AGO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THERE'S JUST LITTLE SAPLINGS AND OVERGROWTH THAT'S GOING NOW.
PULLING THAT BACK, STRIPPING THE OVERBURDEN.
SO THE BRUSH THAT'S THERE IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO PILE IT UP, GRIND IT, TURN IT INTO COMPOST, BLEND WITH TOPSOIL DISTRIBUTE AMONG CITIZENS IN THE COUNTY OR OUR PROJECTS OR EVEN VDOT PROJECTS.
EVERYTHING ELSE, I THINK IS PRETTY CLEAR ON YOUR ON THE APPLICATION AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
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WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO BRING THE DIRT IN FROM PROJECTS.WE'RE ALLOWED TO BRING BRUSH IN, STUMPS IN FROM PROJECTS, BUT THE CITIZENS CAN'T BRING MATERIALS IN.
SO REALLY, I NEED EVERYTHING THAT I CAN GET.
IF Y'ALL GOT ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'M.
YES, MA'AM. I CAN UNDERSTAND YOUR THING ABOUT THE CITIZENS COMING IN.
I CAN ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT COULD CREATE A PROBLEM ALSO, IF YOU HAVE, LIKE IF I GO IN WITH A TRUCKLOAD AND THEN THIS NEXT PERSON GOES IN WITH A TRUCKLOAD, I COULD SEE IF IT WAS A BIG AMOUNT THAT SOMEONE WAS BRINGING IN.
BUT THIS PERSON MAY COME IN WITH TWO LITTLE TREE BRANCHES.
I MEAN, I'VE SEEN PEOPLE THAT TAKE THAT SMALLER AMOUNT, THEY COULD CREATE POSSIBLY A PROBLEM WITH THE TRAFFIC BACK AND FORTH.
RIGHT? IT WILL INCREASE THE VOLUME OF THE TRAFFIC, FOR SURE, BUT IT'S KIND OF LIKE ANOTHER PART TO HELP THE, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS OUT OVER THERE AT THE LANDFILL ON WALTON LAKE ROAD WHERE YOU GO IN AND IF YOU TAKE A TRAILER FULL OF BRUSH IN THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND 2 OR $300 TO DUMP THE BRUSH JUST BECAUSE YOU GUYS GOT, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO HIRE SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND MULCH.
WELL, IN OUR APPLICATION ALSO OFFERED TO TEAM UP WITH PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY IF YOU HAVE THE STORM DEBRIS, WHICH WE GOT TO GET A PERMIT, IF IT DOES COME IN, SO CAN WE HELP THE COUNTY IN COLLECTING THIS DEBRIS, THE BRUSH, THE LEAVES, THE ACORNS.
HOW ARE YOU? YOU'RE GOOD. HOW ABOUT IF YOU.
WE START OUT AND SEE HOW THINGS GO WITH THE TRAFFIC? AND IF IT ENDS UP NOT BEING AS MUCH TRAFFIC AS YOU THINK IT MIGHT BE, YOU MIGHT BE.
WE MIGHT CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT.
TIM, ARE YOU OPEN TO THAT? THAT'S CORRECT. WE'VE KIND OF BEEN BACK AND FORTH ON THAT.
YEAH. I MEAN. WE COULD HAVE TWO CARS ONE DAY.
SO IT'S VERY HARD TO ACCOMMODATE THAT EACH WAY.
IF THERE'S ANY COMPLAINTS WITH ANY OF THAT I'LL ADDRESS IT IMMEDIATELY.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. CAN WE COULD YOU DO THAT? MAYBE. IF HE DOESN'T GET THE TRAFFIC HE'S CONTEMPLATING GETTING TO START WITH.
I HAD TO SPEND OVER $1,000 TO TAKE THE WOOD TO THE LANDFILL TO DUMP IT, YOU KNOW? SO I WAS LIKE, OH MAN, YOU KNOW, I WAS EXCITED WHEN I ACTUALLY SAW THIS.
IT'S NOT BEING MULCHED, NOTHING'S BEING DONE WITH IT.
ESPECIALLY IF IT HADN'T CAUSED A PROBLEM.
I MEAN, AND IT MIGHT WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH. TO ANSWER MR. BROCKWELL'S QUESTION, MR. ELLIS, IF THIS IS APPROVED, HE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND ASK TO MODIFY THIS AND ADD SOMETHING ADDITIONAL, SUCH AS THAT TO THE REQUEST IF IT GOES FORWARD AS IS. AS FAR AS WHETHER YOU COULD JUST CHANGE IT LIKE HE'S ASKING RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S SOME OTHER STUFF THAT STAFF WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT IF THAT WERE TO BE ADDED.
I THINK THERE'S MORE TO IT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO TAKE SOME TIME TO LOOK AT.
SO ANOTHER OPTION IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PROCEED.
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HANDWRITTEN APPLICATION, IMPORTING THIS INFORMATION WAS ON THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION.SO HOW IS THIS OUTSIDE OF THIS REQUEST? IT DOESN'T LIMIT IT AND SAY IMPORTING ONLY BY COMMERCIAL USE OR I MEAN BUT TO BE ABLE TO IMPORT DIRT TOPSOIL THESE PRODUCTS WAS ON THE PERMIT. SO HOW WAS THIS OUTSIDE OF THE INITIAL REQUEST? WE ENDED UP TALKING ABOUT THE NATURE OF WHO'S COMING IN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY.
IF HE DOESN'T HAVE CONTROL OF THOSE INCOMING OUTGOING TRIPS, BECAUSE THERE'D BE ANY CITIZEN OF THIS COUNTY OR ANY OTHER COUNTY, THEN WE WOULD RECOMMEND THINKING ABOUT THAT SOME MORE FIRST BEFORE GOING FORWARD.
WOULD AN OPTION B, THEN POSSIBLY LIKE I NOTICED THE SALES PART, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH YOUR HOME OFFICE TO PLACE THE ORDER TO ARRANGE TO BE SCHEDULED TO PICK UP. IT'S ALL ONLINE. YES.
COULD SOMETHING SIMILAR BE REQUIRED FOR DROP OFFS AS WELL SO THAT IT IS ORGANIZED? POTENTIALLY WE AGAIN, WE'D HAVE MULTIPLE THINGS THAT WE AS STAFF WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT FURTHER.
AND THAT'S MOSTLY BECAUSE HE'LL HAVE CONTROL OVER THOSE THOSE VISITS TO THE PROPERTY.
THEY'RE NOT COMING UNLESS HE'S ASKED THEM TO COME.
SO THE PERMITTING WITH THE DEQ AND THE PERMITTING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF MINING NOT MINING ANYMORE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY.
YEAH. WELL, WILL YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO GO TO A DROP OFF BY APPOINTMENT ONLY.
YES, SIR. IF YOU WERE GOING TO.
IF WE APPROVE THIS AS IS, IT'S NOT ALLOWED.
NOT ALLOWED. BUT I MEAN, IF YOU WERE GOING TO CHANGE IT YOU COULD CHANGE IT TO THAT.
SO IS THE OPTION FOR THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE AS IS, OR COULD THE COMMISSION AS PART OF A MOTION.
YOU CAN ADD ANY CONDITIONS YOU WANT.
DID ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALL RIGHT. WE'LL NOW OPEN THIS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND BEING NONE I'LL CLOSE IT AT THIS POINT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE TO FORWARD THE REQUEST.
SE-24-01 TO THE BOARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT.
AND THE REASONS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE BORROW PIT WILL DEFINITELY SUPPLY MATERIALS FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS IN OUR AREA, AS WELL AS CONTRIBUTE TO ROAD CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS FOR VDOT.
THERE WILL BE RECLAMATION OF PASTURE LAND IN THIS PROPOSAL, AND THE INTAKE OF WOODY VEGETATION AND MATERIALS FOR RECYCLING TO CREATE MULCH AND COMPOST AND INCORPORATE IT INTO TOPSOIL FOR LANDSCAPING USE IS DEFINITELY BENEFICIAL.
SECOND. MISS ELDER? YES. MISS ANDERSON.
YES. MR. BROCKWELL. [INAUDIBLE]. MISS CANEPA? YES. ALL RIGHT.
SO OUR NEXT TOPIC TONIGHT IS SPECIAL EXCEPTION SE 24-02 REQUEST OF DONALD AND SHERYL DEAVER TO PERMIT A FURNITURE SALES AND REPAIR SHOP HOME OCCUPATION WITH AN ACCESSORY BUILDING.
GOOD EVENING. HOW ARE YOU ALL? BEFORE YOU HAVE.
YOU HAVE SE 24-02, WHICH IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR DONALD AND CHERYL DEAVER, WHICH WILL PERMIT FOR
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A FURNITURE AND SALES AND REPAIR SHOP.AS A HOME OCCUPATION WITHIN ACCESSORY BUILDING ON THEIR PROPERTY.
AND RIGHT THERE YOU CAN SEE A LOCATIONAL MAP OF THE PROPERTY FOR 15200 LINDBERG DRIVE.
HERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY WITH THE ORANGE ARROW INDICATING THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
HERE'S THE ZONING MAP, WHICH IS ZONED RA.
AND THEN YOU CAN TELL ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY IS ALSO ZONED RA.
IT'S GOING TO BE AGRICULTURAL.
HERE YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THE ACTUAL PROPOSED 40 BY 48 ACCESSORY BUILDING.
THE APPLICANT WISHES TO OPERATE A HOME OCCUPATION BUSINESS WHERE THEY REPAIR AND RESTORE ANTIQUE FURNITURE, AS WELL AS BUILD KITCHEN TABLES.
THE REQUESTED LAND USE IS A FURNITURE SALES REPAIR SHOP AS A HOME OCCUPATION WITHIN AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, AND THE ACTION REQUIRED BY YOU ALL IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DENIAL AND FORWARD TO THE BOARD.
THE STAFF COMMENT SUMMARY GIVES YOU THE DEFINITION OF THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
YOU KNOW, WHICH IS A USE THAT IS NOT NORMALLY WITHIN THE ZONING DISTRICT, BUT IN CONTROLLED AS WELL.
THE PROPOSED ACTIVITY DOES APPEAR TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT DEFINITION OF SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
AND THE ALL ADJACENT PROPERTIES ARE ZONED CONSISTENTLY AS WELL.
AND OBTAIN A COUNTY BUSINESS LICENSE.
THE ONLY OTHER DEPARTMENT THAT REALLY HAD ANY COMMENTS WAS THE BUILDING INSPECTION DIVISION.
WE DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL FROM A NEIGHBOR VOICING THEIR SUPPORT ACTUALLY THIS MORNING.
THERE YOU HAVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, WHICH WOULD BE APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS, HIGHLIGHTING YOU KNOW THAT THERE BE NO THAT ALL THE TRASH AND DEBRIS BE REMOVED IN A PROPER AND TIMELY MANNER.
AND THAT ALL MATERIAL BEING STORED INSIDE IS KIND OF THE KEY HIGHLIGHTS.
ANY QUESTIONS? AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME.
OKAY. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? NO, NONE. ALL RIGHT GO AHEAD AND OPEN THIS UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
BEING NONE. I'LL CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I WOULD MOVE TO FORWARD REQUEST SE-24-02 TO THE BOARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.
EXPECTED OFF SITE IMPACTS APPEAR TO BE ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED BY THE CONDITIONS.
OUR LAST PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING IS SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
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SE 24-03 REQUEST OF ALYSSA AND CHARLES JOHNSTON TO PERMIT A REUPHOLSTERY SHOP AS A HOME OCCUPATION WITHIN AN ACCESSORY BUILDING. LET THE PRESENTATION ROLL DOWN THERE.BEFORE YOU HAVE THE REQUEST FOR THE REUPHOLSTERY SHOP TO BE LOCATED AT 17,000 JOLLY ROAD FOR ALYSSA AND CHARLES JOHNSTON. THERE'S A LOCATION MAP SHOWING THE PROPERTY.
HERE IS A PICTURE OF THE PROPOSED BARN TO BE USED.
I BELIEVE THE MAJORITY OF IT, WHERE THE WINDOW IS, IS THE ACTUAL INTERIOR LOCATION.
ONCE AGAIN, THE APPLICANT HOPES TO OPERATE THE UPHOLSTERY SHOP AS A HOME OCCUPATION BUSINESS, WHICH IN THE EXISTING 8 BY 22 ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, NO ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES OTHER THAN THE APPLICANT WILL BE ON SITE AND NO CUSTOMERS WILL DROP OFF OR PICK UP FURNITURE FROM THE PROPERTY.
THERE AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE DEFINITION FOR THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
THE PROPOSED ACTIVITIES APPEAR TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE DEFINITION OF A SPECIAL EXCEPTION SO LONG AS THE APPROVAL IS SUBJECT TO REASONABLE CONDITIONS. ALL PROPERTIES ARE ALSO ADJACENT PROPERTIES ARE ALSO THE RA.
THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT REALLY FOR THIS WAS LIKE THE OTHER ONE.
THE CASE WAS ADVERTISED, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE STATE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
AND STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO SUBJECT TO THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
ALL BEING THAT LIKE THE LAST ONE KIND OF HIGHLIGHTING, KEEPING, YOU KNOW, THE TRASH AND DEBRIS OFF THE PROPERTY AND THE PROPER, TIMELY MANNER AND THAT ALL INTERIOR MATERIALS BEING STORED INSIDE.
AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK, THEY MAY.
IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS YOU GOT NO CUSTOMERS MAY DROP OFF OR PICK UP FURNITURE ON THE PROPERTY. HOW DO YOU STRUM UP THE BUSINESS? IT'S NOT FURNITURE. SO IT WOULD BE YEAH, UPHOLSTERY.
HOW AM I GOING TO DRUM UP BUSINESS? RIGHT. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU MY BUSINESS CARD BEFORE I LEAVE.
HOPEFULLY YOU GOT A BOAT OR A MOTORCYCLE THAT I CAN RE-UPHOLSTER.
[LAUGHTER] I GOT AN ATV THAT NEEDS SOME UPHOLSTERY.
I JUST DID ABOUT FIVE ATV SEATS.
APPARENTLY I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS AND FAMILY, SO I'M GOING TO START CHARGING THEM.
ALL RIGHT. I HAVE IT TO TO HAVE IT UPHOLSTERED.
DO YOU PICK IT UP OR I MEET YOU SOMEWHERE? CORRECT. SO I RESPECT MADAM CHAIR, THE BOARD.
BUT THERE'S A HIGHER AUTHORITY IN THIS ROOM, AND IT'S MY WIFE.
SO WHEN I RAN THIS IDEA BY HER.
BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF FREE TIME.
SO THAT JUST SAYS, I HAVE TO TAKE MY TRUCK AND GO PICK EVERYTHING UP.
OKAY. YEAH, THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NOPE. ALL RIGHT.
GO AHEAD AND OPEN THIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, MA'AM. AND GO AHEAD AND OPEN THIS NOW FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
BEING NONE. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
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I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR TO COMMISSIONERS FOR A MOTION.I MOVE TO FORWARD REQUEST SE-24-03 TO THE BOARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THIS EVENING, AND WE'LL MOVE INTO THE COMMUNICATIONS.
[COMMUNICATIONS]
TIM, DO YOU HAVE ANY UPDATES FOR THE COMMISSIONERS? YEP. REGARDING ACTIONS OF THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, THE MARCH BZA MEETING WAS CANCELED BECAUSE THERE WERE NO CASES.WE HAVING THAT CASE IN APRIL? THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE A MEETING IN APRIL.
WE'RE STILL CONFIRMING WITH THE APPLICANT ON THE STATUS OF THEIR CASE.
AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS YOU HAVE RECAPS IN YOUR PACKET UNDER TAB TEN.
WE ALSO PROVIDED TO YOU TONIGHT THE MOST RECENT ONE, WHICH WAS THE MARCH 26TH BOARD MEETING.
THERE WERE NO PLANNING ITEMS AT THAT MEETING.
THERE WAS A LOT OF BUDGET AND ASSESSMENT DISCUSSION DURING THAT MEETING.
AND ON FEBRUARY 27TH, THE BOARD APPROVED THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR THE CHILD CARE CENTER.
SECOND BUILDING OF HEAVEN SENT CHILD CARE ON COURTHOUSE ROAD OR.
YEP. AND THEN ON MARCH 12TH, THE BOARD.
ALSO DID SOME WORK ABOUT THE LAND USE ORDINANCE WHICH RELATES TO ASSESSMENTS.
SO THERE WERE NO PLANNING ITEMS AT THAT MEETING.
BUT YOU ALSO, OF COURSE, HAD THE MARCH 21ST JOINT WORK SESSION WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN WHICH YOU HEARD THE PRESENTATION FROM THE COUNTY'S CONSULTANT FOR DOING THE COMP PLAN UPDATE, AND YOU PROVIDED SOME INPUT TO THEM.
SO YOU WERE ALL THERE FOR THAT.
AND ALSO OTHER UPDATES WE HAVE PROVIDED UPCOMING TWO OF THE UPCOMING CASES FOR NEXT MONTH.
THEY'RE BOTH SUBDIVISION WAIVERS.
SUBDIVISION WAIVER, BASICALLY ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT WAIVERS.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK FORWARD TO NEXT MONTH.
AND THEN WE HAVE OUR MY REMINDER HERE ABOUT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE PROCESS.
WE JUST MENTIONED HOW YOU HAD THAT MEETING ON MARCH 21ST.
SO RIGHT NOW STAFF IS SCHEDULING PEOPLE TO FILL IN SLOTS AND FOCUS GROUPS.
A LINK IS ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE.
I THINK IT'S BEING PUSHED OUT TO SOCIAL MEDIA AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY, PLEASE FILL OUT THE SURVEY.
AND ANYBODY LISTENING TO THIS ONLINE OR LISTENING TO THIS LATER, THE SURVEY IS ON THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WEB PAGE, THERE'S A LINK FOR YOUR INPUT ON THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN PROCESS. I KNOW THEY SHOWED US FLIERS FOR THAT AT THE MEETING.
ARE THEY, LIKE, MAILING THEM OUT AT ALL OR.
YEAH. WE'RE NOT MAILING OUT THOSE.
BUT THEY'RE POSTED ONLINE AND WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THAT GOING ONLINE.
YEAH. WE'LL LOOK AT SOME OTHER, SOME OTHER WAYS TO GET THINGS OUT.
BUT TO MAIL THE ENTIRE COUNTY WOULD BE QUITE A COSTLY AND LABOR INTENSIVE EFFORT.
THERE'LL BE THE NOTIFICATION THROUGH CHANNELS SUCH AS THIS MEETING, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETINGS.
WE'LL HAVE ADS IN THE NEWSPAPER BY THE TIME IT GETS TIME TO ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING.
BUT WE'LL LOOK AT SOME OTHER WAYS TO GET THE WORD OUT.
THANKS FOR THAT QUESTION, TIM.
YEAH. LOOKING AT THIS TIMELINE FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THESE MEETINGS THAT ARE SCHEDULED IN MAY, THESE FOCUS GROUPS AT 1:30, 3:00, AND THEN THE ONES WE'VE GOT AT 6:00.
SO WE ARE AT LIBERTY AS COMMISSIONERS TO ATTEND THOSE.
NO. THE FOCUS GROUPS WILL HAVE SPECIFIC ATTENDEES THAT ARE EITHER EXPERTS OR JUST CHOSEN BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT SUBJECT AREA.
THE TIME FOR THAT WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU INVOLVED IS FOR THE PUBLIC WORKSHOPS.
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THOSE ARE THE ONES IN THE EVENINGS ON THOSE DATES.YEAH. SO WE'LL HAVE SMALL GROUPS FOR THE FOCUS GROUPS.
AGAIN, WE'RE INVITING PARTICULAR PEOPLE TO THOSE THAT ARE RELATED TO THOSE TOPICS.
AND THEN THE GENERAL PUBLIC IS WELCOME TO ATTEND ANY OF THE THREE PUBLIC WORKSHOPS.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. THOSE ARE SCHEDULED FOR MAY 8TH, 15TH.
AND WAS THAT 22ND? YEP. THOSE WILL BE IN THE EVENING AT 6 P.M.
AT THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY LIBRARY.
SO YOU CAN BE THERE FOR THE WHOLE THING.
IT'S NOT LIKE A SHOW UP WHEN YOU WANT, INTERACT WHEN YOU WANT.
IT'S MORE OF LIKE A IT'S GOT AN AGENDA KIND OF THING.
THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT.
Y'ALL FIGHTING US. SAY, WHO COULD DO THAT ONE RIGHT.
MISS ELDER. YES.
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