Jan 09, 2024 Regular Meeting

[A. Call to Order (6:00 pm)]

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GOOD EVENING. IT'S NOW 6:00.

I'D LIKE TO WELCOME YOU ALL TO JANUARY 9TH, 2024, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING.

UH, MISS KNOTT, CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

MR. WEBB HERE, MR. BROWN HERE, MR. COX HERE, MR. PUGH HERE.

MRS. WAYMACK HERE.

[B. Closed Session]

DO I HAVE A MOTION? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD GO INTO CLOSED SESSION FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSE.

VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 2.2-371 A1 DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION OF APPOINTMENT AS FOLLOWS.

CRATER YOUTH [INAUDIBLE] CARE COMMISSION.

IT'S MOTION.

I'LL SECOND. MRS. KNOTT CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

FOLKS, WE'RE IN CLOSED SESSION.

WE SHOULDN'T BE BUT A FEW MINUTES.

[INAUDIBLE] MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO CERTIFY THAT ONLY THE MATTERS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED AND CONSIDERED.

SECOND. I'LL SECOND.

[INAUDIBLE] CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

WE'RE OUT OF CLOSED SESSION.

WE'RE GOING TO OUR FIRST WORK SESSION ITEM, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S MR.

[C. Work Session]

GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. STOKE. TONIGHT'S WORK SESSION IS TALKING ABOUT STORM WATER.

WE'VE HAD A CONVERSATION BACK IN JULY ABOUT A LOT OF THIS.

WE ARE GOING TO DO A BRIEF REVIEW OF THE JULY 7TH PRESENTATION AND GO INTO SOME OTHER TOPICS AS WELL.

AS SOON AS THIS COMES UP, I'LL SHOW YOU THE ACTUAL AGENDA.

BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT REVIEW OF THE JULY 11TH PRESENTATION, I GOT SOME STORM WATER PROGRAM RECOMMENDATIONS, ASSUMING WE DO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROGRAM.

AND THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDE THE CRITERIA FOR SELECTING STORM WATER PROJECTS AND THEN SOME PROPOSED ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS.

AND THOSE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS ARE SURROUNDING HOW OUR FEE STRUCTURE, AS WELL AS HOW WE MIGHT PROVIDE EXEMPTIONS OR ADJUSTMENTS OF THE STORM WATER FEE IN THE FUTURE.

AND THAT'S AGAIN THIS PRESENTATION IS IN YOUR BOARD PACKET.

I HAVE MADE SOME CHANGES TO THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT BY AND LARGE IT'S IT'S ABOUT THE SAME.

SOME OF IT'S JUST MADE FOR MY PURPOSES OF UH, PROVIDING SOME CONSISTENCY AND FLOW.

UH, JUST TO START OFF, UH, THE STORM WATER UTILITY FEE WAS ADOPTED IN 2014, UH, TO FUND THE STORM WATER PROGRAM.

UH, THIS WAS IN LARGE PART DUE TO THE STATE MANDATE THAT REQUIRED, UH, ALL LOCALITIES THAT OPERATE A MS4 OR A MUNICIPAL SEPARATE STORM WATER SEWER SYSTEM.

UH, IF YOU HAVE ONE OF THOSE MS4 SYSTEMS, YOU WERE REQUIRED TO ADOPT A STORM WATER PROGRAM, A VSMP PROGRAM.

UH, AND THOSE UH VSMP PROGRAMS ARE REQUIRED TO INCLUDE, AS APPLICABLE, LOCAL ORDINANCES, RULES, POLICIES AND GUIDELINES. UH, BUT MORE SPECIFICALLY AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, PLAN REVIEWS PERMITTING LAND DISTURBANCE, UH, APPROVALS, AS WELL AS INSPECTIONS AND ENFORCEMENT.

UH, THOSE LAST ONES THAT I IDENTIFIED, UH, REQUIRE ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL TO REALLY IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAM.

UH, CURRENTLY, WE DO NOT HAVE A VSMP PROGRAM.

UH, WE STILL RELY ON DEQ TO RUN THE VSMP PROGRAM ON OUR BEHALF.

UM. SORRY.

SO TO DATE, UH, CURRENTLY THE FEE THAT WE ARE COLLECTING IS PRIMARILY USED FOR CORRECTING EROSION CONTROL PROBLEMS, AS WELL AS SOME DRAINAGE CONCERNS IN THE COUNTY.

SOME OF THOSE ARE IN COUNTY EASEMENTS SOME OF THEM ARE NOT.

AS YOU KNOW, VDOT USED TO MAINTAIN A LOT OF EASEMENTS OFF THE THE RIGHT OF WAYS.

THEY ARE NO LONGER DOING THOSE THEY USE.

SO THERE ARE A LOT OF EASEMENTS THAT WE ARE NOW MAINTAINING THAT VDOT USED TO MAINTAIN.

SO I CAN'T SAY THAT IT WAS A VDOTS RESPONSIBILITY TO DO SO IN THOSE EASEMENTS.

THEY JUST ARE NO LONGER DOING SOMETHING THAT THEY WERE IN SOME CASES, UH, DOING IT AT THE KINDNESS OF THEIR HEART, SO TO SPEAK.

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SO WE ARE USING THE FEE, USING THE FEE IN THIS MANNER.

WE ARE STILL ABIDING BY THE REGULATIONS.

SO THE VIRGINIA STORM WATER MANAGEMENT ACT, THAT IS THE THE STATE MANDATE TO ADOPT THE FEE IF YOU DO HAVE AN MS4.

AGAIN, IF YOU READ THE TOP OF THIS PAGE, THIS THIS IS STILL EFFECTIVE UNTIL JULY OF 2024.

UM, AND COME JULY OF 2024, IT WILL CHANGE.

AND I'LL GO THROUGH THAT IN THE NEXT SLIDE.

UH BUT UP UNTIL JULY 1ST OF 2024, AGAIN, IF WE OPERATE AN MS4, UH, OR IF WE DESIRED OURSELVES TO, TO HAVE A VSMP OR TO OPERATE A VSMP, UH, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO ADOPT A LOCAL ORDINANCES AND HAVE DEQ APPROVE THAT, AND THEN WE WOULD RUN OUR OWN STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.

WE WOULD NOT NEED DEQS APPROVAL FOR PERMITTING PURPOSES OR ANYTHING ELSE.

UH, CURRENTLY THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING.

WE AGAIN, WE'RE ONLY, UM, SINCE WE DO NOT OPERATE A REGULATED VSMP, WE ARE NOT REQUIRED.

EXCUSE ME. SINCE WE DO NOT OPERATE AN MS4, WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO ADOPT A VSMP PROGRAM.

UH, WE ARE STILL REQUIRED AND I MENTIONED THIS HERE IN RED AT THE BOTTOM.

SO BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COME UP A LITTLE BIT LATER AND WE ALREADY DO COMPLY WITH THIS.

UH, WE DO. WE ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL PROGRAM.

UH, AND WE ARE WE DO HAVE A PROGRAM IN THE PLANNING OFFICE, UH, THAT OUR ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITTING, UH, ANY TYPE OF PLAN REVIEWS THAT COME IN, THEY DO GET REVIEWED LOCALLY FOR, FOR, UH, ANY TYPE OF EROSION CONTROL OR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NO EROSION DURING CONSTRUCTION.

SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT LAW.

WE DO COMPLY WITH THAT LAW NOW, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO, UH, REGARDLESS HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.

SO RIGHT NOW, PRINCE GEORGE IS NOT REQUIRED TO ADOPT A VSMP.

AND AGAIN, DEQ IS OPERATING IT.

AND CHAPTER 38 OF OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE SATISFIES THE ENS LAWS.

UM, AS OF 2016, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY ADOPTED SOME BILLS THAT ARE MAKING SOME CHANGES THAT TO COMBINE AND THEN SUPERSEDE THE CODE WE JUST DISCUSSED.

UH, ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO COMBINE THE VIRGINIA EROSION SEDIMENT CONTROL PROGRAM WITH THE VIRGINIA STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.

SO NOW IT'S GOING TO BE CALLED THE VIRGINIA, UH, VIRGINIA EROSION AND STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM SO VESMP, UH, TO COMBINE THOSE TWO PROGRAMS SO THE REQUIREMENTS STILL ARE THE SAME.

YOU'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO ADOPT IT IF WE OPERATE A MS4, WE DO NOT.

SO WE DO NOT. WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO ADOPT OR TO BECOME A VESMP PROGRAM AUTHORITY.

UM, AND AGAIN, SAME, SAME THINGS HERE.

SINCE WE DO NOT THESE THINGS DON'T APPLY TO US.

WE ARE STILL OPERATING A STORM WATER PROGRAM, BUT NOT SPECIFICALLY THAT FOLLOWS THE REQUIREMENTS MS4 LOCALITIES HAVE.

SO SINCE WE THESE DON'T APPLY TO US, THERE IS A SEPARATE SECTION WHICH IS PARAGRAPH B.

UH, THERE ARE MANY OPTIONS, THREE OPTIONS HERE THAT WE HAVE TO CHOOSE FROM AND WE WILL HAVE TO NOTIFY DEQ BY JULY 1ST OF WHICH OPTION WE CHOOSE.

UH, SO WE'LL WE'LL PROBABLY COME BACK AT ANOTHER TIME AND MAY BE REQUIRED TO TAKE FORMALIZED BOARD ACTION TO INFORM DEQ OF WHICH OPTION WE WILL CHOOSE.

UH, BUT WE CAN CHOOSE TO VOLUNTARILY BECOME A VESMP.

UH, OR WE CAN SAY WE ARE A VESMP, BUT STILL ALLOW DEQ TO PROVIDE ALL THE STORM WATER REVIEWS, THE INSPECTIONS AND THE ENFORCEMENT.

UH, OR WE CAN JUST CHOOSE TO DO TO MAINTAIN OUR EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL PROGRAM.

UH, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING TODAY.

UH, AND STILL ALLOW DEQ TO DO ANYTHING RELATED TO STORM WATER REVIEWS.

UH, AND THAT INSPECTIONS AND ENFORCEMENT.

SO JUST TO QUICKLY SUMMARIZE.

UH THE FEE WAS ADOPTED IN 2014.

UM, THE COUNTY IS NOT REQUIRED TO ADOPT THE VSMP OR VESMP.

UH, WE DO HAVE TO NOTIFY THEM BY JULY 1ST OF OUR DECISION OF WHICH CHOICE WE'RE GOING TO PICK.

AND AGAIN, WE CAN BRING THAT UP AT ANOTHER TIME.

UH, BUT STAFF DOES RECOMMEND THIS IS MY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE CONTINUE AS WE HAVE BEEN AND ALLOW DEQ TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THE STORM WATER REVIEWS, THE INSPECTIONS AND ENFORCEMENT.

UH, TO DO TO DO THAT IN HOUSE WILL REQUIRE ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL TO BE ABLE TO, TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE.

UH, AGAIN, CHAPTER 38 DOES PROVIDE UH, CHAPTER 38 OF OUR COUNTY ORDINANCE DOES ADDRESS ALL OF OUR EROSION SEDIMENT CONTROL REQUIREMENTS FOR, UH, TO TO COMPLY WITH THE ENS LAWS. UH, ONE THING WE HAVEN'T COVERED YET THAT WAS COVERED IN THE JULY 11TH PRESENTATION WAS A STUDY THAT WAS PROVIDED BY

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IT WAS A FINAL REPORT THAT WAS PROVIDED BACK IN DECEMBER OF 2021.

UH, IN THIS REPORT, THEY WENT THROUGH NUMEROUS THINGS TO INCLUDE.

IT WAS REALLY TO IDENTIFY HOW MANY OUTFALLS ARE NOT BEING MAINTAINED.

UH, WHAT'S THE REASON FOR THEM NOT BEING MAINTAINED? UH, A LOT OF IT RESULTED IN, UH, WHERE [INAUDIBLE].

SO, UM, HANG ON JUST A MINUTE.

MIC] THANK YOU FRANK SORRY FOR THE INTERRUPTION.

THAT'S OKAY. SO AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THAT UH, UH, REPORT THAT VDOT PUT TOGETHER AGAIN, THERE'S IT WAS LABELED, UH, ORPHANED OUTFALLS.

WHAT'S HAPPENING TO ALL THESE OUTFALLS THAT ARE NO LONGER BEING MAINTAINED.

AND AND NOT ONLY DO THEY RESEARCH WHY THEY'RE NOT BEING MAINTAINED, THEY ALSO LOOKED INTO THE ACTUAL VIRGINIA STATE LAW ON HOW THESE THINGS ARE BEING COVERED.

AND IN THEIR IN THE STATE LAW, IT DOES PRESCRIBE THAT ALL THESE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES LIE WITH THE LANDOWNERS.

UH, SO UNLESS THERE IS SOME TYPE OF EASEMENT ON THAT PROPERTY, ASSIGNING THE MAINTENANCE TO A SPECIFIC ENTITY, UH, MAINTENANCE FALLS WITH THE LANDOWNER.

UM, SO THEREFORE, THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT BY THE COUNTY TO, TO PURSUE MAINTENANCE UNLESS IT'S BEEN ASSIGNED TO THE COUNTY.

UH, JUST RECENTLY, UH, UH, ISLE OF WIGHT COUNTY WAS, UH, SUED BY CERTAIN PROPERTY OWNERS AND FOR FOR FAILING TO MAINTAIN A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS FELT THAT THE COUNTY WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR.

UH, JUDGMENT CAME BACK JUST RECENTLY.

AND THE REASON WHY I SHARE IT WITH YOU.

BUT THE JUDGMENT CONFIRMED THAT UNLESS THE COUNTY HAS A DEEDED EASEMENT THAT'S BEEN RECORDED AT THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY HAS NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTENANCE OF SUCH EASEMENTS. SO IF THERE'S NOTHING RECORDED FOR THE COUNTY TO MAINTAIN IT, THEN THE LAW STATES THAT WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO TO TO DO ANYTHING.

UH, ALTHOUGH THERE'S ARE THERE ARE OPTIONS FOR US TO DO SO.

UH, THERE IS NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT FOR THE COUNTY TO PURSUE IT.

SO BASED ON ALL OF THAT INFORMATION, I AGAIN PRESENTED SOME OF THIS CRITERIA.

OF COURSE, WE DO HAVE VERY LIMITED RESOURCES AND OUR FEE HAS NOT CHANGED SINCE 2014.

SO IT'S STILL REMAIN THE SAME RATES AS 2014.

SO THE BOARD DOES CHOOSE TO KEEP THE STORM WATER PROGRAM, AND AT THE TIME IN JULY IT WAS DECIDED TO KEEP THE PROGRAM, WE ENACTED THIS CRITERIA AT THAT TIME.

SO WE ARE CURRENTLY FOLLOWING THIS CURRENT CRITERIA.

I CAN GO THROUGH THIS NOW.

UM, AND AT THIS TIME WE ARE, UH, REQUIRING ANYBODY WHEN WE GET ANY REQUESTS, WE WILL GO THROUGH THIS CRITERIA TO MAKE SURE IT MEETS, MEETS THIS BEFORE WE TELL ANY PROPERTY OWNER WE'RE GOING TO [INAUDIBLE] PROPERTY TO HELP.

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MOST OF THE REQUESTS WE GET ARE FOR INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS WHO HAVE SOME SLIGHT EROSION, OR THEIR ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER HAS NOT MAINTAINED THEIR THEIR DITCH WAY AND THEREFORE FLOODING IS BACKING UP ON THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY.

UH, SO THAT IS A MAJORITY OF THE TYPE OF COMPLAINTS THAT WE GET.

UH, WE IMMEDIATELY TELL THEM THAT'S, THAT'S A CIVIL SUIT WITH YOUR PROPERTY OWNER, IF NECESSARY.

YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT UP WITH THEM TO MAINTAIN THEIR PROPERTY.

UH, THERE ARE MANY, MANY EASEMENTS ON PROPERTIES, UH, THAT ALLOW ONE PROPERTY OWNER TO DRAIN THROUGH TO THE NEXT PROPERTY OWNER'S PROPERTY TO REACH THE OUTFALL.

UH, THOSE EASEMENTS ARE THERE FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

IT'S NOT THERE FOR A MAINTENANCE PURPOSE, PER SE, BUT IT DOES ALLOW THE CONVEYANCE OF STORM WATER THROUGH ANOTHER PERSON'S PROPERTY.

UH, SOMETIMES IT'S UNDERGROUND, SOMETIMES IT'S THROUGH A DITCH.

UH, BUT IT DOES. THOSE EASEMENTS ARE PARTICULARLY THERE FOR THAT PURPOSE, NOT NECESSARILY IDENTIFYING WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE.

UH, AGAIN, MUST HAVE AN EXISTING PUBLIC EASEMENT IN PLACE.

SO THEY DO MEET ONE OF THOSE IF IT IS A SAFETY OF IF THERE'S A CONCERN OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC SAFETY, OR IF IT DOES HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO POLLUTE OR DEGRADE OUR LOCAL STREAMS AND RIVERS, THEN WE GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

IS THERE A PUBLIC EASEMENT IN PLACE, OR IS THERE SOME OTHER EASEMENT THAT DOES NOT HAVE AN ASSIGNED RESPONSIBILITY THAT THEREFORE WE'LL START RESEARCHING TO SEE WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IT IS? UH, BUT IF THERE IS A COUNTY EASEMENT, THEN OBVIOUSLY THAT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY.

THEN WE WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT.

UH, IF THERE IS NO COUNTY EASEMENT OR IF THERE IS NO IF THERE IS SOME OTHER EASEMENT THAT DOES ASSIGN MAINTENANCE ENTITY THE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY TO ANOTHER ENTITY, THEN WE WILL INFORM THEM OF THAT INFORMATION AND IF NECESSARY, IF IT'S A ZONING VIOLATION, WE'LL WORK WITH OUR ZONING DEPARTMENT TO TRY TO ENFORCE THE ZONING LAWS, TO HAVE THEM FIX THAT PROBLEM. UH, IF THE SOURCE OF THE DRAINAGE ORIGINATES SOLELY FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS OR EASEMENTS.

UH, AGAIN, THIS IS TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ALL PUBLIC DRAINAGE.

UH, MAJORITY OF THE ISSUES THAT WE ARE SEEING ARE IN THE BACKYARDS OF, OF SOME PROPERTY OWNER, NOT MAJORITY.

THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM.

UH, WHERE A LOT OF THE, UH, THERE ARE SOME DRAINAGE INLETS AND LOCATED IN THE BACKYARDS, AND THEY EITHER FAIL TO RAKE THEIR LEAVES OR, UH, UH, AND ALL THOSE LEAVES CAN PILE UP OVER TOP OF THE DRAINAGE INLET AND CAN JUST ESSENTIALLY PREVENTS THE DRAINAGE FROM GETTING INTO THE STRUCTURE AND THEREFORE STARTS FLOODING THE SURROUNDING AREAS.

UH, AT TIMES, IF IT'S A LOT OF RAIN, THAT RAIN CAN SWIRL AROUND AND CAUSE SOME EROSION AS WELL AROUND THAT STRUCTURE.

AND THE STRUCTURE COULD FAIL, OR WATER'S JUST SEEPING IN THROUGH WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY AND DEGRADING THAT WHOLE AREA.

SO THERE ARE ALL DIFFERENT REASONS WHY THERE ARE FAILURES.

I DON'T NEED TO GET INTO ALL OF THOSE.

BUT A LOT OF THESE REASONS WHY THEY'RE FAILING IS JUST PEOPLE ARE NOT PROPERLY MAINTAINING THEIR YARDS.

UH, AND THE COUNTY SHOULD NOT HAVE TO THE COUNTIES, THE FEES THAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS PAYING SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR ONE INDIVIDUAL'S INABILITY OR LACK OF RESPONSIBILITY. WE ISSUED AN EASEMENT NOT BE IN PLACE, AND THE COUNTY DECIDES TO MOVE FORWARD.

WE WOULD ASK THAT THEY SIGN A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT AND TAKE OVER THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT RESPONSIBILITY IN THE FUTURE.

THIS MAY NOT APPLY TO ALL THE PROJECTS, BUT WHERE THE COUNTY DOES JUMP IN TO TRY TO ASSIST, WE FEEL THAT THAT SOMEBODY SHOULD TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY MOVING FORWARD, OR WE WOULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF LONG TERM MAINTENANCE PROGRAM THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MAINTAINING THESE IN PERPETUITY.

SO ONCE WE TOUCH IT, SOMEBODY ELSE IS GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE OVER OWNERSHIP OF IT.

WE TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR FROM HERE ON OUT.

AND THEREFORE WE WOULD HAVE TO CREATE SOME TYPE OF PUBLIC WORKS PROGRAM FOR THE FUTURE TO ENSURE THAT THOSE, THOSE EASEMENTS ARE BEING PROPERLY MAINTAINED.

UH, AND THEN THOSE THAT DO NOT QUALIFY FOR ANY ASSISTANCE AT ALL.

UH, IMPROVEMENTS. AGAIN, IF IT'S ONLY BENEFITING PRIVATE PROPERTIES, WE ARE NOT GOING TO ASSIST THEM.

UH, IF THEY'RE IF THE CONDITION OF AN EASEMENT OR STRUCTURE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY IS DUE TO THEIR FAILURE, AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THEY CORRECT THEIR OWN FAILURES.

AGAIN, IF THERE'S NO EASEMENT IN PLACE, UH, IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE LANDOWNER BY LAW, UH, TO, TO TO HANDLE THAT ISSUE.

OTHERWISE WE MAY NEED TO IF THE COUNTY DOES WANT TO PURSUE IT, THAT'S THE INSTANCE WHERE WE WOULD ASK THEM TO TAKE OVER OWNERSHIP OF THE EASEMENT.

I'VE SAID A LOT SO FAR.

UH, AND, UH, THESE ARE SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE DID TALK ABOUT LAST TIME ABOUT THE CRITERIA.

IT DOES LIMIT THE QUANTITY OF PROJECTS.

WE HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF FUNDS AVAILABLE EACH YEAR FROM THE STORM WATER FEE.

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WE'VE LEVERAGED THAT BY GOING TO DEBT TO TAKE CARE OF SOME LARGER STORM WATER PROJECTS.

MIC] AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, TOMORROW WILL BE VERY BUSY.

BECAUSE AFTER ALL THIS RAIN, WE WILL GET ALL THE CALLS AFTER THESE LARGE STORM EVENTS COME THROUGH.

I'M SURE WE WILL. UM, IT IS VERY COMMON, UH, THAT THE STORM INTENSITIES ARE GETTING STRONGER.

THE TYPICAL TEN YEAR STORM IS HAPPENING MORE FREQUENTLY.

THE 100 YEAR STORMS HAPPEN MORE FREQUENTLY.

AND YOU KNOW THAT IT DOES HAVE IMPACTS ON PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE JUST CAN'T AVOID TEN YEAR, 100 YEAR STORMS NOBODY'S, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE IS REALLY DESIGNED TO TO HANDLE THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS.

UH, SO WHEN WE GET THOSE TYPE OF STORMS, THAT'S THE FIRST THING WE TRY TO EXPLAIN.

UH, THAT TYPE OF RAINSTORM, WE'RE WE'RE NOT MEANT TO BE ABLE TO CONVEY THAT DRAINAGE DOWNSTREAM.

IT DOES TAKE TIME.

UM, ONLY BECAUSE THAT'S NOT HOW THE INFRASTRUCTURE WAS DESIGNED.

ALL RIGHT, SO BACK TO THIS AGAIN.

THE UH, ALL THIS CRITERIA WAS PUT IN PLACE, UH, PRIMARILY TO, UH, TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS WE WOULD DO TO TRY TO TO KEEP THE FEE AS LOW AS POSSIBLE, AND AGAIN, ALSO TO ELIMINATE THE FUTURE NEED OF A PUBLIC WORKS TO MAINTAIN THESE FOR IN PERPETUITY.

UH, THE STATE CODE DOES ALLOW US THE USE OF THE FEE FOR THESE PROJECTS.

BUT THE PROJECTS ARE NOT REQUIRED, ARE NOT A REQUIREMENT OF ANY DEQ PROGRAM.

UH, SO THESE PROJECTS ARE NOT A REQUIREMENT.

IF THIS IF THESE THINGS ARE NEEDED, IT COULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE LANDOWNERS TO TAKE CARE OF THESE.

UH, BUT WE COULD ALSO ASSIST, UH, WITH, UH, HELPING THESE PROPERTY OWNERS FIND GRANTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO RESTORE THEM, JUST LIKE AS WE ARE USING THE SAME GRANT PROGRAMS TO TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR FEES.

UH, SO INSTEAD OF PAYING $100,000 OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, WE SOME OF THESE OFFER 50% REIMBURSEMENT BACK TO THE COUNTY FROM THE STATE.

SO THOSE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE FOR, UH, FOR INDIVIDUALS AS WELL.

SO IF THE COUNTY DOES CHOOSE TO BECOME A VSMP OR VESMP IN THE FUTURE, OR IF DEQ MAY EVENTUALLY REQUIRE US, THIS FEE IS GOING TO BE NEEDED FOR THE FUTURE FOR THE THE PERSONNEL NEEDED TO RUN THOSE PROGRAMS. UH, THAT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED FOR THE PLAN REVIEWS, FOR THE INSPECTIONS, FOR THE PERMITTING AND THE ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE NEEDED ON A REGULAR BASIS.

UM, BUT IN LIEU OF USING THE UTILITY FEE TO FUND THESE PROJECTS.

AND I JUST MENTIONED WE COULD ASSIST LANDOWNERS IN OBTAINING GRANTS.

UH, BUT IF WE EVER DO NEED THE FEE AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE USUALLY PROBABLY BECAUSE OF THE STATE'S GOING TO REQUIRE US TO HAVE A PROGRAM AT SOME POINT.

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WE COULD CONTINUE WITH THE PROGRAM IN ITS CURRENT FORM.

WE ARE REALLY NOT IN ITS CURRENT FORM ANYMORE.

THE CURRENT FORM, AS WE WERE DOING A LOT OF PROJECTS FOR INDIVIDUALS, WE ARE NO LONGER IN THAT WORKING IN THAT NATURE.

WE ARE FOLLOWING THAT CRITERIA TO TRY TO LIMIT PROJECTS.

UH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S AGAIN, UH, HOW WE ARE, WHICH IS OPTION TWO.

THERE WE ARE WORKING USING THAT ADOPTED CRITERIA.

UH, WE COULD DISCONTINUE THE PROGRAM.

UH, AND THEN THAT STORM WATER FEE WOULD, WOULD GO AWAY.

BUT THAT COULD NOT TAKE PLACE UNTIL AFTER THOSE PROJECTS THAT WE GOT IN PLACE THAT ARE ONGOING RIGHT NOW ARE COMPLETED, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET SOME OF THESE PROJECTS ARE STATE PROJECTS AS WELL THAT WE ARE EXPECTING REIMBURSEMENT ON AS WELL.

SO WE'RE HOPING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL OF THAT.

AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE DO HAVE TO GIVE A AN ANSWER TO DEQ BY JULY 1ST OF 2024.

SO BASED ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PROGRAM, I'LL STOP RIGHT HERE.

IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS BEFORE I GET INTO THE.

YOU ALL GOT ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, I HAVE MORE.

I MEAN, THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT I HEAR IS WHY DOES IT TAKE SO LONG TO GET A PROJECT DONE OR STARTED? AND THEN THE SECOND THING I HEAR EVEN MORE, AND IT'S USUALLY LIKE RIGHT AROUND TAX BILL TIME, PEOPLE ARE, WELL, IF I LIVE IN AN AREA WHERE THERE IS NO STORM WATER RUNOFF, WHY IS IT THAT EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY PAYS THAT FEE WHEN.

I'M NOT IN AN AREA THAT'S AFFECTED BY THAT, NOT ASKING FOR AN ANSWER TONIGHT, BUT THOSE ARE JUST TWO CONCERNS OF MINE.

THE SECOND ONE MORE SO BECAUSE I KIND OF GET WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM.

IF I MAY, I'D LIKE TO TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE REAL QUICK.

UM, ANY STORM WATER PROGRAM OR ANY STORM WATER PROJECT, UH, SPECIFICALLY IN SENSITIVE AREAS, WHICH ARE THE ONES THAT WE ARE DOING ARE IN VERY HIGHLY SENSITIVE AREAS NEAR WETLANDS.

MHM. DEFINITELY WITH WITHIN THE, UH, RPA IN SOME CASES.

AND, UH, THEY REQUIRE PERMITTING AND THAT PERMITTING EFFORT CAN TAKE SOME TIME AS WE ARE REQUIRED TO HIRE A CONSULTANT AND ENGINEER TO PREPARE THOSE PLANS.

AND SOMETIMES THOSE THAT PLANNING EFFORT ALONE CAN TAKE 6 TO 8 MONTHS.

UH, WE ARE EXPERIENCING THAT WITH ALMOST EVERY SINGLE CONSULTANT RIGHT NOW.

UH, TIME FRAMES TO GET PLANS COMPLETED.

TAKE SOME TIME.

UH, THERE'S VERY FEW OF OUR CONSULTANTS THAT WE HAVE ON BOARD RIGHT NOW THAT ARE PROVIDE BETTER TIMING THAN THAT.

UM, AND THEN THE PROJECT THEMSELVES SOMETIMES ARE THE PROJECT CAN BE DONE CONSTRUCTION WISE RELATIVELY QUICKLY.

IT IS THAT PLANNING AND PERMITTING PHASE THAT TAKES SO MUCH TIME, UH, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHY AM I BEING CHARGED EVEN THOUGH MY AREA IS NOT DOES NOT SEE THAT ISSUE? UM. YEAH THE QUESTION COMES UP IS, IS THE FEE A FAIR AND EQUITABLE WAY OF CHARGING EVERYBODY FOR THIS PROGRAM? SO THE CHOICES THAT THE COUNTY HAS IS CHARGING THE UTILITY FEE OR IMPLEMENTING IT ON TAXES TO BE ABLE TO FUND THE PROGRAM.

THIS IS AN ENTERPRISE PROGRAM, JUST LIKE THE UTILITY FEE, JUST LIKE THE WATER AND SEWER UTILITY FEE.

MHM. UH, SO WE RUN IT AS SUCH.

SO ANY FEES THAT COME IN ARE SPECIFICALLY FOR STORM WATER IMPROVEMENTS AND NOTHING MORE.

THEY CAN'T BE USED FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSES OUTSIDE THE STORM WATER PROGRAM.

UH, THE ONLY WAY IT'S CHARGED IS, IS PER PROPERTY.

THAT'S HOW IT'S CHARGED.

UH, IS IT EQUITABLE? UM, IF WE WERE RUNNING A VSMP AS AS THE STATE IS, MEANING WE ACTUALLY HIRED PERSONNEL AND WE PERFORMED INSPECTIONS AND PLAN REVIEWS, THEN WE WOULD BE USING THAT FEE TO PAY THOSE SALARIES.

AND THEREFORE IT IS EQUITABLE.

RIGHT NOW WE DON'T DO THAT.

UH, IF WE ARE STILL THE WAY WE ARE MOVING FORWARD NOW, WE'RE USING IT TO ENSURE OUR STATE WATERWAYS AND GENERAL PUBLIC SAFETY IS THE TOP PRIORITY. THERE'S A BENEFIT THERE TO THE COUNTY FOR THAT PURPOSE, UH, WHICH IS THE MAIN REASON WHY I WANTED THAT CRITERIA IN PLACE, IS THAT MAKE IT FAIR AND EQUITABLE, UH, IF WE'RE ATTACKED, IF WE'RE ONLY ADDRESSING CERTAIN DRAINAGE PROBLEMS ON CERTAIN PROPERTIES, AND THAT'S ALL OUR FEE IS ALLOWED US TO DO, IT DOES NOT SEEM FAIR AND EQUITABLE TO ME.

AND THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION.

UH, SO TO TRY TO MAKE IT FAIR AND EQUITABLE, THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE TRY TO MAKE SURE THERE'S AN OVERALL A LARGER, UH, REASON FOR WHY WE'RE DOING IT.

IT'S GENERAL PUBLIC SAFETY OR THE DEGRADATION PREVENT THE DEGRADATION OF THOSE LOCAL STREAMS AND WATERWAYS.

I HOPE THAT ANSWERED IT.

OH, I RESPECT THE ANSWER.

IT'S JUST MY PHONE RINGS OFF THE HOOK AROUND THIS TIME.

I'M SURE SO DOES MINE.

YEAH. MR. COX, YOU GOT ANYTHING, SIR? DO Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING? COMMENTS.

QUESTIONS? I HAD A QUESTION, MR. HAWKINS. YES, MA'AM.

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WE ARE USING THE FEE AND LEVERAGING GRANTS.

YES. WE HAVE, UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NAME OF THE GRANT PROGRAM, BUT IT IS WITH DEQ, UH, WHERE WE GET 50% OF THE PROJECT REIMBURSED.

AFTER WE FUND THE PROJECT COMPLETELY, THEY WILL REIMBURSE US 50% IF IT SATISFIES THEIR CRITERIA.

AND AND TYPICALLY THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE MORE SENSITIVE AREAS, MAKING SURE WE'RE RESTORING, UH, THE STREAM BEDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

THANK YOU, MR. [INAUDIBLE]. YES.

I UNDERSTAND WE GOT TO MAKE A MOVE ON JULY 1ST, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS IF THERE'S WATER IN THE ROADWAY, VDOT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR REMOVING THAT WATER FROM THE ROADWAY. SO WHERE DOES THAT COME INTO PLAY WITH WHAT YOU'VE JUST DESCRIBED? SO I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF VDOT I'D RATHER VDOT BE UP HERE SPEAKING ON THEIR FOR THEMSELVES.

BUT MY UNDERSTANDING FROM VDOT IS IF THE WATER IMPACTS THE ROADS THEN THEY WILL REMOVE WHATEVER IS CAUSING THAT IMPACT.

SO EVEN IF THE IMPACT IS HAPPENING ON SOMEBODY'S PRIVATE PROPERTY 100 YARDS AWAY, BUT IT'S BACKING UP AND FLOODING THE ROAD, THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE ROAD CLEARED.

SO THEREFORE THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE PROBLEM BECAUSE IT'S AN IMMEDIATE NEED.

IF IT'S NOT IMPACTING THE ROADWAY, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TOUCH IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY UNLESS IT'S WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SO IF THERE IS A CULVERT OR A STRUCTURE THAT HAS FAILED AND IS CAUSING SOME ISSUES, THEY WILL TAKE CARE OF IT.

IF IT'S WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

ANYTHING OUTSIDE THE RIGHT OF WAY IS NO LONGER VDOTS ISSUE.

AND A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE CALL VDOT, SAY THERE'S A DRAINAGE PROBLEM.

THE FIRST THING VDOT SAYS IS CALL THE COUNTY.

UH, OF COURSE, THAT THAT PUTS US INTO THE INVESTIGATIVE MODE INSTEAD OF VDOT.

UH, THEN THE FIRST THING I DO IS CALL BACK VDOT AND TRY TO GET SOME COOPERATION, AND THEY COMPLY ALMOST 100% OF THE TIME.

SO WE WORK VERY WELL TOGETHER.

WE'VE GOT QUITE A FEW ROADS OF FLOOD.

THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD.

UNLESS SOMETHING'S CHANGED.

WELL OVER THE YEARS THAT'S CHANGED WHERE VDOT USED TO.

AS I MENTIONED, THESE ARE WHAT WE CALL THE ORPHANED OUTFALLS.

VDOT USED TO GO WAY OFF THE ROAD AND MAINTAIN THOSE, WHETHER THEY WERE EVER REQUIRED TO DO SO, I DON'T KNOW.

UM, BUT IF THEY HAVE SOME CERTAIN TYPE OF FAILURE WITHIN THE ROAD AND IT GOES OFF THE ROADWAY AND ONTO SOMEBODY'S EASEMENTS AND CAUSE EROSION AND SOME TYPE OF BLOCKAGE, THEN I DO BELIEVE VDOT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE IF THE EROSION CAME FROM THEIR RIGHT OF WAY.

THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST.

THERE'S BEEN LAWSUITS IN THE PAST.

THERE'S SOME PRECEDENT SET THERE.

UH, BUT AS FAR AS EACH INDIVIDUAL CASE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT IT ON AN INDIVIDUAL CASE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT FALLS WITHIN THEIR CRITERIA TO, TO TO RESPOND. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. YEAH. THAT'S WEIRD BECAUSE I HAD A CALL OUT ON ON TAVERN ROAD.

WE WE ALL KNOW HOW BAD TAVERN ROAD FLOODS.

AND IT WAS BECAUSE THE WATER IN THE DITCHES WERE SPILLING OVER ONTO THE ROAD.

UH, ONE RESIDENT CALLED.

THEY CAME OUT, BUT THEY TOLD THEM THAT IT WAS THEIR NEIGHBORS DOWN THE ROAD.

AND BECAUSE THEY HAD NOT PUT IN A TICKET, THEY COULDN'T GO ON THE PROPERTY TO FIX IT.

SO I DON'T KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS.

OH, I KNOW YOU DON'T. I'M JUST I'M JUST SAYING IT'S JUST IT'S NOT AN EASY THING AT ALL.

MR. HALTOM UM, OUT OF THE CURRENT PROJECTS, WHAT'S THE ETA ON FINISHING UM, THE CURRENT ONES THAT STILL ARE IN THE QUEUE, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT? UM, I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU FOLLOW UP WITH THAT WITH YOU.

I DON'T HAVE THOSE WITH ME TODAY, BUT WE DO HAVE A, A SCHEDULE OF ACTIVITIES THAT WE'RE DOING FOR THOSE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE LISTED.

UH, I'VE HELD BACK ON SOME OF THOSE UNTIL SOME OF THIS DISCUSSION HAS OCCURRED.

OKAY. UH, TO BEFORE I CUT THEM ALL LOOSE, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME, UH, PROJECTS THAT WE ARE DOING THAT NECESSARILY WOULD NOT MEET THE CRITERIA, BUT THEY STARTED LONG AGO.

UH, AND THERE MAY BE SOME, UH, EXPECTATIONS AT THIS POINT TO CONTINUE THEM.

SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE BEFORE WE, WE SPENT THAT MONEY THAT WE, WE GET CONSENSUS ON THE CRITERIA.

AND THEN AFTER WE GO INTO THE AFFECTED AREAS, HOW LONG ARE WE POLICING THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE GETTING COMPLETED, A YEAR, TWO YEARS? RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT POLICING AT ALL.

OKAY. BUT IN THE FUTURE, YES, WE WILL HAVE A REQUIREMENT IF IT'S IF THERE'S BEEN NO EASEMENT THERE AND WE REPAIRED IT AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY TYPE OF AGREEMENT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO MAINTAIN IT, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK TO US TO MAINTAIN IT IN THE FUTURE AGAIN.

RIGHT, BECAUSE WE PROVIDED THE IMPROVEMENT.

OKAY. EVERYBODY GOOD?

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I'VE MADE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER.

UH, AND THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE BEING MADE IN TANDEM WITH OUR, OUR, UH, UPCOMING BUDGET.

SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE PLACE.

AND IF THERE IS GOING TO BE ANY TYPE OF ORDINANCE AMENDMENT THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS.

UM, AGAIN, MY PHILOSOPHY ON THIS IS TO MAKE IT FAIR AND EQUITABLE ACROSS THE BOARD FOR RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USERS ON HOW THEY PAY THE FEE.

UH, SO, UH, FIRST THING WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS THE RATE STRUCTURE.

UH, YOU KNOW, I MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO NO LONGER JUST HAVE A FLAT RATE FEE BASED ON, UH, A NUMBER.

RIGHT NOW, COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL OR NON RESIDENTIAL ARE ALL PAYING BASED ON THE SIZE OF THEIR PROPERTY, NOT THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS AREA.

SO WHY DO I WANT TO HAVE IT CONSIDERED TO BE BASED ON IMPERVIOUS AREA? UH, IT'S THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS AREA ON YOUR PROPERTY THAT CREATES RUNOFF.

SO IF THE WATER CAN'T SATURATE INTO THE GROUND, IT'S GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE.

SO IT'S GOING TO RUN OFF. SO RAINFALL OUT OF THE SKY THAT HITS THE GROUND AND GOES THROUGH A BUNCH OF TREES THAT'S GETTING SPREAD OUT THROUGH THROUGHOUT AS IT TRAVELS.

UH, IT TAKES A LOT LESS TIME.

AND IT AND IT'S AGAIN SPREADING ITSELF OUT THROUGH A LARGER AREA.

WHEN YOU HAVE DEVELOPMENT THAT INCLUDES IMPERVIOUS AREA, ROADS, ROOFS, SIDEWALKS, UH, AND, UH, COMPACTED GRAVEL, UH, ALL OF THAT CREATES FASTER RUNOFF AND SOMETIMES MORE CONCENTRATED RUNOFF, CONCENTRATED BECAUSE WE'RE PUSHING IT TO TO EITHER A DITCH OR TO A STORM PIPE.

AND NOW INSTEAD OF THAT, THAT FLOW GOING, BEING SHEEP FLOWED THROUGH A PROPERTY.

WE'RE PUSHING IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE, TO A LOCATION AND ONE LOCATION, UH, THROUGH THAT PIPE OR THROUGH THAT DITCH.

SO THAT CREATES A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF MORE RUNOFF.

SO IMPERVIOUS AREA IS DIRECTLY IMPACTS RUNOFF.

AND SO IT'S RUNOFF THAT CREATES THE EROSION AND DRAINAGE ISSUES.

SO THEREFORE SINCE THAT'S HOW WE ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING BASED OFF EROSION ISSUES AND DRAINAGE ISSUES, I FULLY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE WAY THAT WE SHOULD BE MOVING FORWARD.

UM, AGAIN, THE SECOND THING WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS THE FEE EXEMPTIONS AND ADJUSTMENTS TO PROVIDE SOME CONSISTENCY ON HOW WE APPLY THOSE.

UH, ALL THIS HAS BEEN PROVIDED.

THE DRAFT ORDINANCE HAS BEEN PROVIDED IN YOUR IN YOUR PACKET FOR REVIEW.

I'M JUST GOING TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THOSE THINGS UM, RIGHT NOW.

UH, FIRST OFF THE CURRENT THIS IS THE CURRENT UTILITY FEE STRUCTURE.

UH, RESIDENTS PAY $36 A YEAR.

UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE HOW WE BREAK UP COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL.

UH, AND AGAIN, THE SIZE OF THE PARCEL REALLY MEANS NOTHING FOR STORM WATER DRAINAGE OR STORM WATER RUNOFF.

YOU CAN HAVE FIVE ACRES WITH ONLY 100FT² OF IMPERVIOUS AREA.

OR YOU CAN HAVE TWO ACRES WITH AN ONE ACRE OF IMPERVIOUS AREA.

IT REALLY IS NOT, [INAUDIBLE] IT DOESN'T REALLY APPLY EQUITABLY ACROSS THE BOARD AS FAR AS CHARGING FOR STORM WATER.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE RESIDENTIAL RATE, $36, THAT'S ROUGHLY 12% OF THE THE HIGHEST, UH, FEE FOR FOR THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL. AND, UH, IF YOU TALK ABOUT IMPERVIOUS AREA, UH, A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY HAS ROUGHLY 2,000 TO 3,000FT², AND COMMERCIAL AREAS OR INDUSTRIAL AREAS SPECIFICALLY CAN HAVE OVER 1 MILLION OR 1 MILLION AND A HALF TO 2 MILLION FT² OF IMPERVIOUS AREA.

UH, SO THAT PERCENTAGE, YOU KNOW, FROM, UH, ALMOST 12%, IT'S 0.2% IN IMPERVIOUS AREA DIFFERENCE.

SO TRYING TO FIND THE EQUITABLE WAY OF CHARGING IT.

OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO CHARGE IT BASED ON IMPERVIOUS AREA.

UH, SO I PUT TOGETHER THIS SLIDE TO KIND OF SHOW YOU HOW WE WOULD DO THIS IN THE FUTURE.

UM, IF THE BOARD DOES APPROVE THIS AND, UM, IT'S ALL BASED OFF WHAT'S CALLED THE EQUIVALENT RESIDENTIAL UNIT, AND THAT EQUIVALENT RESIDENTIAL UNIT IS ABOUT THE AVERAGE IMPERVIOUS AREA ON A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

UH, AND THEN SO LET'S JUST ASSUME AND AS WE SHOW DOWN HERE IN THE EXAMPLES WE HAVE, UH, WE WE WE EITHER DO A CALCULATION AND THERE AGAIN, THERE ARE MULTIPLE WAYS TO, TO SATISFY THIS.

IF WE WANT TO KEEP OUR REVENUES AT $490,000 A YEAR CONSISTENT.

UH, THEN WE CAN WORK THESE NUMBERS BACKWARDS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT ADDING ANY NEW REVENUE.

AND THEREFORE WE CAN SET THAT ERU TO A CERTAIN NUMBER.

UH, AND THEN OR WE CAN LEAVE THE ERU BASED OFF OF THE ACTUAL CALCULATION AND JUST SET THE, THE, THE NEW RATES BASED OFF OF WHAT REVENUES WE'RE TRYING TO GET.

UH, SO THERE ARE MULTIPLE WAYS TO HANDLE THIS.

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IF YOU WANT MORE OF THE IMPACT, GO TO COMMERCIAL THEN YOU HAVE A MUCH LOWER ERU NUMBER.

UH, THAT WAY THE RESIDENTS, THE SINGLE FAMILY OR THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, FOLKS ARE PAYING LESS OF THE RATE.

AND THE IMPACTS GO ON TO THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL.

UM THERE ARE SOME, UH, SOME FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS.

I ALSO PUT IN YOUR BOARD PACKET.

UH, IT TALKS TO, UH, IT INCLUDES, UH, THE, UH, ANNUAL FEES THAT OTHER OUR NEIGHBORING LOCALITIES CHARGE.

AND SOME OF THEM, THEY RANGE IN THAT $20 TO $54.

WE ARE ALMOST RIGHT SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT WITH $36.

UM, SO, UM, JUST BASING THIS OFF THE THE EXAMPLE, UM, YOU CAN SEE AND AGAIN, THESE NUMBERS ARE NOT WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING.

THESE ARE JUST NUMBERS THAT SHOW EASY MATH SO EVERYBODY CAN FOLLOW ALONG.

UH, I WOULD COME BACK AT A, AT A, AT A BUDGET MEETING WITH THE ACTUAL NUMBERS THAT WOULD BE RECOMMENDING, UM, BUT THESE ARE, UH, IF YOU'RE FOLLOWING THIS EXAMPLE, UH, WE'RE USING 3,000FT² AS THE EQUIVALENT RESIDENTIAL UNIT.

SO THAT'S THE AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL IMPERVIOUS AREA ON THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

AND THAT FEE WOULD BE ROUGHLY $20 PER ERU, EVERY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY ONLY PAYS ONE ERU AND THAT WOULD BE THE CASE FOR ALL RESIDENTIAL.

NO. NO EXCEPTIONS.

UM, COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WOULD PAY BASED ON THE NUMBER OF ERUS THEY HAVE ON THEIR PROPERTY.

SO IF A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY HAS 30,000 ERU THAT MEANS THEY HAVE THE EQUIVALENT I'VE.

EXCUSE ME. IF THEY HAVE 30,000FT² OF IMPERVIOUS AREA, THAT MEANS THEY HAVE THE EQUIVALENT OF TEN ERUS.

SO THEY WOULD BE CHARGED FOR TEN ERUS, WHICH WOULD BE $200.

UM, AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT FROM A STANDPOINT OF, UH, ACREAGE AT 30,000FT² IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN AN ACRE, UH, SO THEY WOULD BE GETTING CHARGED ROUGHLY ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE GETTING CHARGED RIGHT NOW, UH, WHICH IS $180,000 OR $180.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT INDUSTRIAL, THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE BIGGEST JUMP.

UM, IF YOU HAVE A PROPERTY THAT HAS 700,000FT² OF IMPERVIOUS AREA, THAT MEANS THEY HAVE 233 ERUS, AND THAT GOES TO A BILL FROM $300 TO A BILL OF $4,660.

AND WE HAVE SOME, UH, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES IN THE BUSINESS PARK THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD FALL IN THIS CATEGORY.

WE HAVE SOME THAT HAVE IMPERVIOUS AREA OF AGAIN, OVER $1.5 MILLION.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT 700,000, THAT MEANS WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE PAYING, UH, OVER $10,000 FOR THEIR STORM WATER FEE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, WHICH IS, IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER PROGRAMS, IS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER LOCALITIES OF HOW THEY CHARGE THIS FEE.

UH, AND THE MORE IMPERVIOUS AREA YOU HAVE, UH, THE MORE IMPACT YOU HAVE TO STORM WATER IN THE COMMUNITY.

UH, SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY THEY DO IT.

STOP THERE FOR A SECOND FOR FOR QUESTIONS.

I'M GOOD.

UM. YOU'RE TALKING ASPHALT, ROOF LINES, COMPACT GRAVEL, SOLAR PANELS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

CORRECT? I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT SOLAR PANELS FROM.

I'D HAVE TO ASK OTHER COMMUNITIES ON HOW THEY'RE RESPONDING TO THAT.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM CHARGING SOLAR PANELS BECAUSE IF THEY ARE CREATING MORE RUNOFF, THEN THEY SIMPLY ARE OKAY.

SOME PEOPLE WOULD CONSIDER EVEN A WOOD DECK NOT TO BE IMPERVIOUS, RIGHT? HOWEVER, BECAUSE THE WOOD IS SO CLOSE TOGETHER, IT DOES CREATE RUNOFF.

SO IN OUR ORDINANCE WOULD A WOOD DECK WOULD BE CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS.

OKAY. UM, THEN THE NEXT QUESTION I HAVE TIMBERLAND BECAUSE I DO DRAINAGE A LOT ON MY DAYS OFF.

UM, WHEN WE'VE GOT A 500 ACRE TIMBER, UH, THAT GETS CLEAR CUT, WOULD WE CHARGE THEM A RATE OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IN THE ORDINANCE? BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO CREATE MORE RUNOFF THAN THEY DID IN THE LAST 20 YEARS, SINCE THEY CLEAR CUT.

YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? I UNDERSTAND, AND IF IT DOESN'T HAVE IMPERVIOUS AREA, WE WOULD NOT BE CHARGING THEM.

OKAY. THAT IS AN AGRICULTURAL USE.

AND THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER LOCALITIES THAT CONSIDER AGRICULTURAL, UM, TO BE CONSIDERED ALMOST AT THE RESIDENTIAL RATE.

OKAY. SO THEY WOULD ONLY BE CHARGED ONE ERU AND I BELIEVE THAT'S HOW IT'S ADDRESSED IN THIS DRAFT ORDINANCE AS WELL.

OKAY. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.

YALL GOOD.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO THAT IS THE PROPOSAL FOR HOW WE WOULD CHARGE FEES.

THIS IS OUR PROPOSAL ON HOW WE WOULD CHARGE, UH, ADDRESS EXEMPTIONS.

UH, EXEMPTIONS PRETTY MUCH WOULD NOT CHANGE FROM WHAT THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND WHEN I SAY EXEMPTIONS, MEANING THEY WOULD NO LONGER EVEN HAVE TO SUBMIT ANYTHING TO GET A FEE ADJUSTMENT, THEY JUST ARE EXEMPT.

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OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE CHARGING OURSELVES A FEE.

DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO CHARGE OURSELVES TO CREATE MORE REVENUE.

JUST THEN JUST DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

SO, UH, SO PROPERTIES THAT ARE OWNED BY PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY WOULD NOT BE PAYING A FEE.

UH, THAT INCLUDES OUR SCHOOLS.

UM, AND IT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE, UM, WHICH I'M, UH, WENT THROUGH THIS JUST RECENTLY WITH, UH.

I FORGET THE NAME OF THE SCHOOL DOWN IN CARSON.

ROBANI. ROBANI.

THANK YOU. UH, THEY ARE COMPLETELY FUNDED BY SCHOOLS IN THE AREA.

NOT NECESSARILY ALL IN PRINCE GEORGE.

SO WE WE WE LOOKED AT THEIR, THEIR PARTICULAR SITUATION AND WE WOULD EXEMPT THEM AS WELL.

UM, UH, PROPERTIES OWNED BY THE FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, BUT THEY ALSO, UH, TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN STORM WATER DRAINAGE IF THEY'RE NOT TAKING CARE OF THEIR STORM WATER DRAINAGE OR THEIR DRAINING OFF SITE INTO SOME TYPE OF FACILITY, THEY WOULD STILL PAY THE FEE.

SO ONLY IF THEY ARE TAKING CARE OF THEIR OWN DRAINAGE, UH, WOULD THEY WOULD BE EXEMPT, UH, OBVIOUSLY PUBLIC ROADS AND STREETS, ANYTHING THAT VDOT OWNS, UH, WE DON'T CHARGE VDOT, UM, FOR, FOR ANYTHING IN THE RIGHT OF WAYS, THAT IS ALMOST AN IMPOSSIBLE FEAT TO DO TO HANDLE.

AND VDOT HAS THEIR OWN REQUIREMENTS FOR STORM WATER, UH, AS THEY DO IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL.

SO WE ARE NOT CHARGING VDOT ANY TYPE OF FEE.

UH, DEVELOPED PROPERTIES WITH LESS THAN 400FT² OF IMPERVIOUS AREA.

AND THERE'S REASONS FOR THIS IS, UH, THERE ARE A LOT OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE 100, SOME ACRES OR A LOT OF HUNTING PROPERTIES THAT HAVE A SMALL SHED ON THERE.

UH, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO CAPTURE ALL OF THOSE.

AND SOMETIMES IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO CAPTURE EVERYTHING.

UM, UH, THE MAIN WAY OF ADDRESSING THE IMPERVIOUS AREA OF A BUILDING, PEOPLE BY IMPERVIOUS AREA REQUIRES A NEW PIECE OF SOFTWARE WHICH LOOKS AT AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHY AND IS ABLE TO SEE THAT IMPERVIOUS AREA AND CALCULATE THAT THAT AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS AREA ON YOUR PROPERTY.

UH, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO PURCHASE AS PART OF OUR UPCOMING BUDGET.

I'VE GOT A BUDGET NUMBER OF ABOUT $5,000 A YEAR FOR THAT SOFTWARE.

UM, SO, UM.

THE OTHER THING WITH, UH, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME IMPERVIOUS AREAS THAT'S SPORADIC, WHERE YOU HAVE A SMALL PIECE OF CONCRETE HERE OR, UH, ANOTHER PIECE OVER HERE THAT JUST MEANS NOTHING THAT COULD BE REMOVED SO IF IT HAS LESS THAN 400FT² OF IMPERVIOUS HERE, WE DON'T CONSIDER IT DEVELOPED.

UH, SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR DEVELOPED PROPERTY.

UM, AND THEN, UM, A WAIVER OF UTILITY FEE MAY BE PROVIDED TO CEMETERIES AGAIN.

UH, MOST MOST OF THESE CEMETERIES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE FAMILY CEMETERIES.

THEY'RE NOT COMMERCIAL CEMETERIES WHERE THEY HAVE ROADS THROUGHOUT.

UH, THESE ARE ONES THAT YOU SEE BY THE ROADSIDE.

UH, SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO CHARGE FOR EVERY SINGLE HEADSTONE THAT'S IN THERE.

UH, SO THOSE LITTLE CEMETERIES WOULD BE EXEMPT.

SINCE YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, WHAT ABOUT THE CHURCHES? UH, CHURCHES ARE NOT EXEMPT.

UH, THAT'S WHY IT IS A FEE AND NOT A TAX, BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF CHURCHES THAT DON'T PAY TAXES, BUT A LOT OF CHURCHES PRODUCE RUNOFF.

UM, THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT IF WE WANT TO, TO DO SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.

IF WE DO, THEN THERE REALLY IS NO BENEFIT IN THE STORM WATER UTILITY FEE OTHER THAN IT JUST STAYS IN THE STORM WATER.

YOU COULD ASSESS ON THE TAXES, ANOTHER PENNY OR SO TO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET A $490,000 A YEAR.

UH, AND JUST ASSIGN THAT TO THE STORM WATER PROGRAM.

UM, THAT MIGHT BE THE REASON WHY YOU GO GO THAT DIRECTION.

SO THOSE ARE THE ONLY EXEMPTIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR FOR THE COUNTY.

SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE THEM NOW OR OTHERWISE I'LL MOVE ON TO TO THE ADJUSTMENT SIDE.

YALL GOOD. GOOD.

GO AHEAD. MR. HALTOM.

ALL RIGHT. SO ADJUSTMENTS UH, RIGHT NOW WE WE HAVE REALLY NO GUIDANCE.

THIS IS WHERE WE REALLY NEED GUIDANCE.

UM, IT'S BEEN, UM, SOMEBODY APPLIES, UH, MAKES A CASE FOR WHY THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY FEE, AND SOMEBODY AGREES THEY SHOULDN'T OR THEY SHOULD.

UM, THIS PUTS IN VERY STRICT GUIDELINES ON HOW TO APPLY FOR IT AND WHAT CRITERIA MUST BE MET TO, TO BE ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE AN ADJUSTMENT, AND ALSO SETS THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF ADJUSTMENT AT 50%.

UM, AND WE CAN THAT NUMBER AGAIN IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE TALKED ABOUT AS WELL.

AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SET AT 50%.

UH, SOME PLACES DO 40%, SOME, SOME PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A LIMIT AT ALL.

UH, THE REASON I BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE A MAXIMUM CREDIT OR ADJUSTMENT IS AS DEVELOPMENT OCCURS, IF WE START GIVING PEOPLE 100% ADJUSTMENT JUST BECAUSE THEY PUT IN A STORM WATER POND OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF FEATURE, THAT MEANS EVERYBODY, ALL THE RESIDENTIAL FEES HAS TO GO UP AS DEVELOPMENT OCCURS TO AS COST GO UP

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SO THEY STILL HAVE RUN OFF, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY HAVE HIGHER STORM EVENTS, BECAUSE MOST PONDS, AGAIN, ARE NOT MEANT TO GO ABOVE THE TEN YEAR STORM.

UH, SO THEREFORE THERE WAS A REASON WHY I BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE A MAX CREDIT, UM, IN PLACE.

UH, AGAIN, THERE THIS JUST I DON'T THINK I NEED TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE, UH, FOR THE SAKE OF TIME OF WHY WE'RE DOING THIS.

BUT ESSENTIALLY, THEY NEED TO SHOW US HOW THEY'RE GOING TO REDUCE RUNOFF OR HOW THEY'RE GOING TO REDUCE THE POLLUTANT LOAD, UH, FOR TO IN ORDER TO RECEIVE A CREDIT. UM, THERE ARE SOME PROPERTIES THAT DO HAVE A, UH, VIRGINIA POLLUTANT DISCHARGE ELIMINATION SYSTEM PERMIT, VPDES PERMIT.

UM, AND THOSE ARE TYPICALLY FOR INDUSTRIAL, UM, BUSINESSES.

UH, THEY DO HAVE A GENERAL PERMIT FROM THE STATE AND IF THEY HAVE THAT, THEN WE WOULD ALSO GIVE THEM A, A CREDIT AS WELL OF 20%.

UM, AND THE KEY ONE HERE THAT EVERYBODY IS PROBABLY GOING TO, BECAUSE THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE HAVE OUR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT CURRENTLY HAVE SOME TYPE OF ADJUSTMENT OR EXEMPTION.

UM, IF YOU HAVE A DEVELOPED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, THEN I AM SUGGESTING THAT THERE IS NO, UH, THAT THEY ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR EXEMPTION OR ADJUSTMENT. UH, THERE ARE SOME OUT THERE THAT DO HAVE, UH, FARM PONDS ON THEM.

UH, I'VE SEEN THESE FARM PONDS.

FARM PONDS ARE NOT ALWAYS DESIGNED TO HANDLE STORM WATER EVENTS.

YES, WATER MAY DRAIN INTO THEM, BUT THEY DON'T HANDLE THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT SOME OF THESE EVENTS OCCUR, UH, THAT SOME OF THESE EVENTS PRODUCE.

UM, SO, UH, IF AGAIN, IF WE START ELIMINATING A LOT OF THESE FOLKS THAT, UH, LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, TINSLEY CHARTER, UH, HAS BEEN EXEMPT BECAUSE THERE'S A STORM WATER POND IN THEIR, IN THEIR, IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, IF EVERY SINGLE DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES IN IN THE FUTURE HAS A STORM WATER POND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE CONSIDER THEM EXEMPT, OR THEY GET A BIG ADJUSTMENT, IT'S EVERYBODY ELSE OUT IN THE FARMLANDS OR, AND OUT WHO IS NOT WITHIN AN ESTABLISHED SUBDIVISION, WHOSE RATES ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO CLIMB.

SO THIS CREATES SOME STABILITY IN THE RATE KEEPS THE RATE LOWER.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UH, IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THESE ADJUSTMENTS FOR RESIDENTIAL, UH, SOMEBODY HAS TO PROVIDE THE INSPECTIONS TO SHOW THAT WHATEVER FEATURE THAT'S ON THEIR PROPERTY IS STILL WORKING ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

SO IT DOES REQUIRE MORE PERSONNEL.

IT'S GOING TO RAISE THE COST.

I THINK THAT COST OUTWEIGHS THE BENEFIT OF PROVIDING THE THE ADJUSTMENTS.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT BEFORE I MOVE ON? WELL, I'M BACK DOWN TO THE LAST SLIDE.

REALLY THIS IS JUST ME ASKING, UH, HOW YOU WANT TO PROCEED.

UM, WE ALREADY HAVE THAT CRITERIA.

WE ARE USING THE CRITERIA, UH, FOR FOR SELECTING STORM WATER PROJECTS, UH, THAT ARE FUNDED BY THE UTILITY FEE.

UH, WE ARE ASKING FOR ANY DIRECTION ON THE, UH, STRUCTURED RATE STRUCTURE IF WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, WITH OUR BUDGET PROCESS AS WELL AS, AGAIN, BOTH ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS WOULD OCCUR FOR BOTH THE THE FEE STRUCTURE AND THE EXEMPTIONS AND ADJUSTMENTS AS WELL.

WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU.

I'M NOT READY TO PICK ONE TONIGHT.

THAT'S JUST ME.

AND I'M ONLY ONE OF FIVE.

ANYONE ELSE? I AGREE WITH MR. BROWN. I WOULD LIKE TO GET THE INFORMATION FROM HIM AS FAR AS WHERE WE'RE AT ON PROJECTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, TO MAKE A DECISION AS FAR AS WHETHER WE CONTINUE TO REDUCE OR, YOU KNOW, DO AWAY WITH.

SO AS SOON AS I GET THAT INFORMATION, I CAN MAKE A DECISION.

MRS. WAYMACK YEAH, I AGREE, YOU AGREE.

ALL RIGHT. THERE'S ONE ADDITION I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHEN YOU COME BACK IS WHICH HOW MANY? HOW MANY EASEMENTS DO WE HAVE? AND WE'RE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING? BASED ON THE PROJECTS WE'VE ALREADY COMPLETED.

YEAH. WHEN WE COMPLETE [INAUDIBLE] I HOPE WE COMPLETE WHAT WE START, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY EASEMENTS WE HAVE OUT THERE THAT WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN AND WHAT'S GOING TO FALL INTO THIS OTHER CATEGORY IF WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING BY JULY 1ST.

OKAY. DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF, I MEAN, WHEN WHEN DO YOU NEED SOMETHING BACK FROM US ON SETTING A DIRECTION? UM, WE'RE IN THE BUDGET PROCESS RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND MY BUDGET PRESENTATION, MY VIDEO PRESENTATION, I'LL BE PERFORMING THE END OF THIS MONTH IS GOING TO INCLUDE THIS INFORMATION.

[00:55:03]

IS THAT TOO LATE? NO. THAT'S FINE AS LONG AS I CAN HAVE TIME TO ADJUST THE BUDGET NUMBERS TO SHOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS IT.

UM, I MEAN, AS LONG AS WE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.

AND I ALSO PREFER TO SEE WHAT THE NUMBER WOULD BE FOR THE ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL.

OKAY. BECAUSE EITHER DIRECTION WE GO, WE'RE EITHER GOING TO HAVE TO INSPECT THEM OR WE'RE NOT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO EITHER HAVE TO INSPECTIONS.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LET DEQ DO IT.

I REMEMBER BACK IN THE DAY WHEN WE STARTED, WHEN I WAS WHEN WE AGREED TO THIS TO START OFF WITH.

AND IF DEQ PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE, THAT'S FINE.

WE CHOSE NOT TO DO THAT BECAUSE THERE'S SOME HORROR STORIES THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM OTHER LOCALITIES WHEN DEQ GOT INVOLVED, WHICH THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH FORCING THEIR WAY IN INVOLVED ANYWAY. BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING.

I DIDN'T GET THE END OF IT.

SORRY. THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

I'LL REPEAT IT.

MIC] ALL RIGHT. YOU WANT ME TO REPEAT? UH, YES, SIR PLEASE.

IF YOU DON'T MIND. WHEN YOU COME BACK, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE INFORMATION ON THE PERSONNEL AND WHAT THE COSTS WILL BE, INCLUDING BENEFITS, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STARTING A PUBLIC UTILITIES OR WORK.

UH. THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT COST.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT COST, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE CITIZENS ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY EITHER DECISION, EVEN THOUGH WE MAY BE PUSHED TO HAVE TO GO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. OKAY.

UNDERSTOOD. ALL RIGHT.

EVERYBODY GOOD? YES, SIR.

THANK YOU, MR. HALTOM. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, FOLKS, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO OUR

[D. Business Meeting]

AND WE'LL START OFF WITH THE INVOCATION, WHICH MR. BROWN HAS GRACIOUSLY, UH, AGREED TO DO.

AND MR. PUGH WOULD DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE RIGHT BEHIND THAT.

HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME TO YOU THIS EVENING JUST TO SAY THANK YOU.

HEAVENLY FATHER, WE ASK YOU THIS EVENING TO PROTECT EACH AND EVERY PERSON AND KEEP THEM OUT OF ANY HARM'S DANGER.

HEAVENLY FATHER, WE ALSO ASK YOU FOR PROTECTION FOR ANY OF OUR CITIZENS, OUR POLICE, OUR FIRE EMS FOLKS WHO ARE OUT AND WORKING IN THIS WEATHER.

HEAVENLY FATHER, WE ALSO ASK YOU THIS EVENING TO BE WITH US AS WE GO THROUGH AND DECIDE ON VARIOUS TOPICS THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT WE ASK ALL THIS IN YOUR NAME.

AMEN, AMEN, AMEN.

PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT, SIR.

[01:00:04]

WHEN YOU COME TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

WHEN THE YELLOW LIGHT COMES ON, I BELIEVE YOU GOT ONE MINUTE WHEN THE RED COMES ON, PLEASE FINISH UP.

THANK YOU. YOU CAN COME FORWARD, SIR.

HELLO. UH, MY NAME IS JUSTIN NOBLIN, 8724 CENTENNIAL ROAD.

I SPOKE WITH YOU ALL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ABOUT LAND USE IN THE COUNTY.

UH, WE'VE HAD SOME MORE ISSUES WITH LAND USE WITH WITH LOCAL FARMERS.

WE'VE GOT ANOTHER FARM THAT HAS BEEN PULLED OUT, AND I JUST WANTED TO GIVE AN UPDATE.

I HAVE A FEELING I'M GOING TO BE DOING THIS QUITE REGULARLY WITH YOU ALL.

UH, I AM A MEMBER OF THE, UH, FARM BUREAU, AND I'M ON THEIR BOARD OF DIRECTORS, AND I'VE KIND OF TAKEN THIS AS MY PERSONAL CROSS TO BEAR.

UH, WE'VE GOT LONG TERM LAND USE RESIDENTS THAT ARE BEING KICKED OFF OF LAND USE AFTER SOME SOMETIMES DECADES, UH, WITH NOTHING MORE THAN A LETTER NOTIFYING THAT THEY'VE BEEN KICKED OFF.

A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE ARE ELDERLY.

THEY'RE ON FIXED INCOMES.

UH, THEY REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE IT.

AND THEY'RE REALLY CONFUSED BECAUSE THE COUNTY HAS ALLOWED IT FOR YEARS.

UH, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, A LOT OF THESE ARE BY THE BOOK DECISIONS WHERE THE COUNTY WAS ACTUALLY IN ERROR.

AND INSTEAD OF, SAY, IF IF IT'S A A SITUATION WHERE THEY'VE BEEN MISCLASSIFIED.

IF THEY HAVE A SMALL PARCEL THAT'S IN FORESTRY THAT WAS PUT IN AGRICULTURE, THEY'RE JUST BEING REMOVED.

UH, IT'S LEFT UP TO THEM TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO CORRECT IT.

UH, INSTEAD OF THE COUNTY TAKING IT UNDER, UH, THEIR AUTHORITY TO RECLASSIFY THEM AND PUT THEM IN THE CORRECT CLASSIFICATION.

I'M SORRY, MR. NOBLIN.

WE HAVE TO RESET THE CLOCK IF IT CONTINUES.

MRS. DREWRY, WOULD YOU RESET IT? WE STOPPED IT.

WE PAUSED IT. WE PAUSED IT.

OKAY, YOU PAUSED IT. OKAY, COOL.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, SO IN MANY OF THESE INSTANCES ARE MISCLASSIFIED, UH, INSTEAD OF BEING RECLASSED OR NOTIFIED THAT THEY NEED TO BE RECLASSED OR SIMPLY KICKED OFF AND TOLD THAT THEY NEED TO REAPPLY.

UH, SOME OF THESE INSTANCES, THE REAPPLICATION COMES WITH A FEE.

UH, AND AGAIN, MOST OF THESE PEOPLE ARE ELDERLY.

THEY'RE THEY'RE CONFUSED ABOUT THIS.

IT'S BEEN ALLOWED FOR YEARS.

UH, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IT MIGHT BE INCORRECT, BUT THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO THESE PEOPLE BEING THAT THE COUNTY HAS BEEN INCORRECT ON THIS FOR YEARS. UH, I HAD A MEETING WITH THE ASSESSOR, WAS SPECIFICALLY TOLD THAT AT HIS DISCRETION, ANY BUILDING ON YOUR AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY CAN BE EXCLUDED. UH, THIS INCLUDES HAY BARNS, WHICH HAVE BEEN EXCLUDED AT THIS POINT, ACCESS ROADS WHICH HAVE BEEN EXCLUDED, UH, WAS TOLD THAT SILOS OR ANY NUMBER OF OTHER TYPES OF BUILDINGS CAN BE EXCLUDED AT HIS DISCRETION.

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SO HE IS RUNNING STRICTLY OFF OF, UH, SATELLITE MAPS TO EXCLUDE THESE.

THE ONES THAT I'VE SPOKE TO HAVE SAID THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO SITE VISITS TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S AN AGRICULTURAL BUILDING.

UH, AND COMING PERSONALLY FROM HIM, HE SAID AGRICULTURAL BUILDINGS DON'T MATTER.

HE CAN EXCLUDE THEM IF HE SEES FIT.

UH, I'VE GOT REAL BIG CONCERNS ABOUT THIS, UH, AND HAVE VOICED THIS TO NUMEROUS FARMERS TO PREPARE, UH, FOR THIS OFFICE TO INCREASE TAXES ON ANY FARMER THEY WANT TO.

UH, IT'S ALSO BEEN SPECIFICALLY SAID TO ME THAT DOZENS OF RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN REMOVED DUE TO TAXES PAID LATE.

AND THEN AFTER OUR MEETING, IT WAS CONFESSED THAT THE PROPER PROCEDURE WAS NOT FOLLOWED ON THIS, THAT IT WAS THE TIMELINES WERE NOT FOLLOWED AND THE PROCEDURES WERE NOT FOLLOWED CORRECTLY.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'M REALLY STRONGLY URGING THE BOARD TO LOOK INTO SERIOUSLY AND QUICKLY TO GET THIS REMEDIED.

IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU SIR.

MR. STOKES, COULD YOU FOLLOW UP ON THAT? MR. NOBLIN, MR. STOKES WILL FOLLOW UP ON THIS FOR YOU.

OKAY? YES, SIR.

ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK PUBLIC COMMENT? MISS KNOTT, DO YOU HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP? NO, SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN.

ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND MOVE TO ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.

MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE AGENDA, I SO MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED.

SECOND. MISS KNOTT CALL ROLL PLEASE.

NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS, UH, CONSENT.

ADOPTION OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[E. Consent Agenda]

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

MISS KNOTT CALL ROLL PLEASE.

YEAH. UM.

WE'VE GOT A PUBLIC HEARING COMING UP HERE IN LESS THAN ABOUT 16-17 MINUTES, WHICH WERE MANDATED WE HAVE TO DO.

I'M GOING TO MOVE. I'M GOING TO JUMP AROUND FOR THIS RIGHT NOW.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO INTERRUPT THAT AND STOP IT IN THE MIDDLE AND GO TO SUPERVISOR COMMENT.

[G. Comments]

AND, UH, HOPEFULLY YOU GET HOME SAFELY TONIGHT.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE BAD WEATHER, AND THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.

SOMEBODY HAS COVID, SOMEBODY HAS THE FLU, SOMEBODY HAS THE GI 24 HOUR.

SO BE PREPARED.

AND IF YOU DIDN'T GET YOUR FLU VACCINE YOU CAN STILL GET IT.

IT'S NOT TOO LATE.

THANK YOU.

MR. PUGH.

UM, WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY IN DISTRICT TWO FOR, UH, VOTING ME IN AND ALLOWING ME TO SERVE.

UM, I ALSO WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL THE, UH, CHRISTMAS PARADE WINNERS AND THE CHRISTMAS CARD WINNER.

UM, AND, UH, CONGRATULATE MR. ROTZOLL FOR PUTTING A WELL, WELL JOB ON ON THAT EVENT.

THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.

MR. BROWN, AND THE SAME TO ALL OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT.

UH, TO RECEIVE THE PRESENTATION FOR THE CHRISTMAS PARADE AND EVERYTHING.

UH, BUT PLEASE, WHEN YOU WHEN YOU LEAVE HERE THIS EVENING, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE BE CAREFUL.

THERE'S A LOT OF WATER.

YOU'RE HEARING ALL THE ALERTS COMING.

WE'RE STILL IN FOR A BUSY NIGHT, SO JUST PLEASE, PLEASE BE CAREFUL THIS EVENING.

I'M GOING TO ECHO WHAT MR. PUGH AND MR. BROWN JUST SAID, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT WITH WATER ON THE PAVEMENT AND SOME OF THESE COUNTY ROADS IS REALLY HARD TO TELL WHEN THERE'S REALLY WATER COVERING THE ROAD UNTIL YOU'RE IN IT. ONCE YOU'RE IN IT, YOU HYDROPLANE.

YOU TAKE A GOOD CHANCE OF BEING PULLED INTO A DITCH.

SO JUST KIND OF SLOW DOWN AND BE CAREFUL.

ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE TO COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S COMMENTS.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THE ONLY ANNOUNCEMENT IS COUNTY OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED ON MONDAY, JANUARY 15TH FOR THE MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR HOLIDAY.

THANK YOU. RIGHT WHERE YOU WANT TO GO NEXT.

[F. Presentations]

AND THAT'S GOING TO BE MR. KEITH ROTZOLL I BELIEVE HE'S GOING TO BE PRESENTING.

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IT'S, UH, THIS IS OUR WRAP UP OF THE HOLIDAY SEASON.

IT'S, UH. IT'S BEEN A VERY, VERY GOOD HOLIDAY SEASON.

AND, UH, IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD TIME TO GET UP HERE AND DO THIS.

FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE OUR CHRISTMAS DECORATION.

HOUSE. HOUSE DECORATION WINNERS.

UM, OUR JUDGES, SCOTT LISA AND JOSEPH JOSIAH BROOKS, WERE UNABLE TO ATTEND BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER.

SO, FIRST OFF, I'D LIKE TO INVITE MIKE AND KAT DUCHARME TO COME UP.

THEY WON WITH THEIR TRADITIONAL HOUSE DECORATING UM, NEXT WE HAVE MARY AND GARY SPIVEY FOR RELIGIOUS DISPLAY.

APPARENTLY MR. AND MRS. SPIVEY COULD NOT ATTEND.

UM, TACKY HOLIDAY FUN.

IS MISS ALLISON PATE HERE? HERE WE GO [APPLAUSE].

VERY GOOD. UM, FRONT DOOR.

WE HAVE A FEW PEOPLE THAT WERE NOT HERE.

THE BEST FRONT DOOR AND PORCH WAS AARON, MELINDA AND MEGAN MUTTER.

THE CHILDREN'S DELIGHT WAS ASHLEY AND JASON EAGLE.

UM, IS SOMEBODY HERE FROM VIGILANT SELF STORAGE? NO. OKAY.

AND LAST FOR THIS IS MOST FACEBOOK LIKES LIKES WHICH WAS GABRIEL JENKINS [APPLAUSE].

UM, NEXT, I'D LIKE TO INVITE OUR CHRISTMAS CARD WINNER, MISS LEIGHANNE BECK FROM MIDDLE ROAD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL [APPLAUSE].

SHE DID AN ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL CARD.

AWESOME [APPLAUSE]. NOW, I'D LIKE TO INVITE A COUPLE OF OUR JUDGES FOR THE PARADE.

MISS MELISSA [INAUDIBLE] AND TERESA KNOTT.

AND I DO NOT BELIEVE ELAINE ABERNATHY IS HERE.

OKAY, YOU GUYS GET TO HAND OUT THESE THIS TIME.

ALL RIGHT, FIRST OFF, WE HAVE BEST DECORATED FLOAT, WHICH WAS THE BRIGHTER LIVING ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE.

GUESS WE HAD A LOT OF NO SHOWS TONIGHT.

UM, WE HAVE BEST DECORATED PUBLIC SERVICE VEHICLE.

I KNOW, I KNOW, THESE PEOPLE ARE HERE.

BURROWSVILLE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT [APPLAUSE].

AND WE MIGHT NEED YOU GUYS TO STAND UP HERE SO WE CAN FIT YOU ALL IN.

CONGRATULATIONS, SIR.

MIC]

[01:15:06]

ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE HAVE THE JUDGE'S CHOICE, WHICH WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO WINNERS.

IT WAS PRINCE GEORGE WESTERN RIDERS AND SOUTHLAND.

LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET THIS RIGHT.

PERCHERONS [APPLAUSE].

OKAY, OUR BEST OVERALL ENTRY WAS DANCE KRAZE, AND THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO COME BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER.

AND IS SOMEBODY FROM ART OF RHYTHM DANCE COMPANY HERE? ALL RIGHT AT THAT WE ARE DONE.

WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN NEXT YEAR.

GREAT JOB. THANK YOU ALL.

THANK YOU EVERYONE [APPLAUSE].

YEAH, JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S KNOWLEDGE VDOT WAS NOT HERE TONIGHT.

SHE'S SICK WITH THE FLU.

THAT'S WHY, IT'S ON THE AGENDA.

BUT SHE'S NOT HERE TO PRESENT.

ALL RIGHT.

[I. Postponed Items]

MR. CHAIRMAN, I KNOW WE HAVE, UH, SOME THAT WERE DISTRIBUTED AROUND FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS TO, TO LOOK THROUGH. UM, BUT I'D LIKE TO PUT A MOTION ON.

I'D LIKE TO MOVE THOUGH, THAT WE VOTE ON WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US OR WHAT WAS GIVEN TO US FROM THE JANUARY 2ND ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING, AND VOTED EITHER UP OR DOWN.

IF IT GETS VOTED DOWN, THEN WE TAKE ON THE OTHER, UM, OPTIONS, SO THAT THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION TO PUT ON THE FLOOR.

DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND, MISS KNOTT CALL THE ROLL.

MOTION CARRIES. NEXT WE HAVE ORDER OF BUSINESS.

[J. Order of Business]

WE HAVE A FOR ONE MEMBER FOR A FOUR YEAR TERM CRATER YOUTH COMMISSION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO APPOINT, UH RECOMMEND THAT WE APPOINT MR. BILL GANDEL TO THE CRATER YOUTH CARE COMMISSION.

GOT A MOTION DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. MISS KNOTT, CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

OKAY, FOLKS, I.

FOLKS, WE'VE GOT SEVEN MINUTES WE'VE GOT TO WAIT.

I HAD MY HEAD TURNED AROUND A FEW MINUTES AGO I MADE THIS STATEMENT.

WE HAVE TO WAIT TILL 7:30 TO START OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, SO IT'LL BE SEVEN MINUTES WE'LL BE IN RECESS.

ALL RIGHTY.

CALL OUR MEETING BACK TO ORDER.

UM, NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS PUBLIC HEARING.

[K. Public Hearings]

[01:20:02]

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

THANKS JEFF. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 0.66 ACRES IN SIZE, LOCATED AT 5842 ALLIN ROAD AND IS IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP 230(26)00-00-0.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INDICATES THAT THE PROPERTY IS PLANNED FOR VILLAGE CENTER LAND USE.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN WEBB, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND MR. STOKE. UH, SO YOU'VE HEARD THE, UH, INTRODUCTION THERE AND CAN WE GET THE NEXT SLIDE? IT'S NOT WORKING FOR ME.

YEAH. UM, HERE'S YOUR LOCATION MAP.

THE PROPERTY IS ONE OF THREE BUILDINGS.

IT'S THE BUILDING IN THE MIDDLE, LOCATED ON COURTHOUSE ROAD.

UH, NEAR THAT, UH, ROUNDABOUT WITH ALLIN ROAD.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

AND THIS IS JUST THE ZONING MAP SHOWING THAT THE PROPERTY IS ZONED COMMERCIAL, AS ARE THE BUILDINGS AROUND IT AND ACROSS THE STREET.

THE AERIAL VIEW AGAIN SHOWS THIS IS THE BUILDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THREE BUILDINGS ON COURTHOUSE ROAD.

NEXT SLIDE. SO AGAIN THIS THE GOAL OF THE APPLICANT IS TO OPEN A CHILD CARE CENTER IN THAT BUILDING.

AND THE SO THAT LAND USE AND THE ORDINANCE TERMINOLOGY IS A COMMERCIAL CHILD CARE CENTER.

AND THERE'S A CODE SECTION THAT THAT ALLOWS THAT BY SPECIAL EXCEPTION.

AND THE DEFINITION OF THAT OF SUCH A FACILITY IS PROVIDED THERE THAT'S FROM THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

AND SO, OF COURSE, THE ACTION REQUIRED BY THE BOARD IS TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN EITHER APPROVE OR DENY THIS.

NEXT SLIDE. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 13TH.

IT VOTED 4 TO 0 TO APPROVE THIS AND SUBJECT TO THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WHICH ARE IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE DRAFT ORDINANCE.

AND THEY PROVIDED THE REASON THAT IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND CURRENT SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING DISTRICTS.

NEXT SLIDE IS THAT THERE WERE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

UM THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS ADVERTISED IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE CODE REQUIREMENTS.

AND DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? AND BEFORE I SAY, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I THINK THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE.

SHE TOLD ME EARLIER TODAY SHE WOULD BE IN DC TODAY.

SHE'S A SOCIAL WORKER.

SHE GOT CALLED UP THERE AND COULDN'T MAKE IT DOWN FOR THIS.

UM, SO ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? ANYBODY? NO, SIR.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER IT FOR US OR NOT, BUT THEY SAID OUR HOURS WILL BE OUTSIDE OF THE TYPICAL 6 A.M.

TO 6 P.M..

UM, WHAT HOURS ARE WE TALKING? UH, SO THERE ARE NO, UH, THERE'S NO CONDITION.

UH, RECOMMENDED HERE TO SET ANY SPECIFIC HOURS.

THEY, UH, IN THE APPLICATION MATERIALS.

I THINK THEY TALK ABOUT THE REASON WHY THEY HAVE THOSE SET THOSE HOURS OUTSIDE OF THEIR.

WHEN THEY SAY NORMAL, OUTSIDE NORMAL HOURS, THEY MEAN MANY, UH, CHILD CARE FACILITIES, UH, CLOSE AT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT ON 5:30 OR RIGHT ON 6:00 OR RIGHT ON 5:00. UM, AND THEN IT'S UP TO, YOU KNOW, THE PARENTS OR WHOEVER'S PICKING UP THE CHILDREN TO GET THERE AS QUICK AS THEY CAN.

RIGHT. UM, BUT I THINK THIS WHAT THEY'RE GETTING AT WITH THIS IS THEY'RE TRYING TO STAY OPEN A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN OTHER PLACES DO TO BE MORE ACCOMMODATING TO PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING FROM WORK TO PICK UP THEIR CHILDREN.

SO THEY DON'T THEY DON'T HAVE ANY SET TIME.

BUT I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO FIND ANYTHING UNREASONABLE.

BUT THAT'S RIGHT. THERE'S NO CONDITION TO RESTRICT THAT.

OKAY. JUST CURIOUS. I WAS I CAN SEE LIKE 5 IN THE MORNING TO SEVEN BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, MOST TYPICAL 6 TO 6.

BUT WITH PEOPLE GOING TO WORK, ESPECIALLY IN THE COUNTY, DRIVING TO RICHMOND, THEY LEAVE A LITTLE EARLIER.

AND THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A PROBLEM.

SOMETHING REASONABLE TO EXPECT.

NOTHING CRAZY. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, SIR.

ALL RIGHT, TIM, LET ME SEE IF WE'VE GOT ANYBODY TO SPEAK.

ALL RIGHT, FOLKS, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL? OR SPECIAL EXCEPTION I'M SO SORRY. I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT IT AGAIN.

I DON'T SEE ANYBODY STANDING UP.

ALL RIGHT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE BOARD.

OKAY. WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? MR. CHAIRMAN, IF IF NONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I WOULD SO MOVE THAT WE WOULD VOTE TO APPROVE SPECIAL EXCEPTION 2 3-07. SECOND.

MISS KNOTT, CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

WAIT A MIN. I'M SORRY MR. CHAIR IS THE MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITIONS AS SET OUT IN THE STAFF

[01:25:06]

GOOD POINT. THANK YOU.

GOOD POINT. DO I NEED TO MAKE THAT AS PART OF THE MOTION, OR.

IF YOU DON'T MIND. THAT'S OKAY. I THINK I, I THINK I JUST DID OKAY.

THANK YOU. I THOUGHT YOU WERE ASLEEP THERE FOR A MINUTE, BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. WE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND, MISS KNOTT CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

AND NEXT PUBLIC HEARING IS A RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE FOR AN EXEMPTION OF SECTION 82.541 OF THE CODE, THE CODE OF THE COUNTY OF PRINCE GEORGE, VIRGINIA, AS AMENDED, FOR A LEAK ADJUSTMENT FOR PRINCE GEORGE HIGH SCHOOL.

MIDDLE SCHOOL. MIDDLE SCHOOL.

SORRY. THIS IS THE MIDDLE ROAD.

MIDDLE ELEMENT. EXCUSE ME.

ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

MIDDLE ROAD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

I APOLOGIZE, UM, UH, THE REASON WHY WE'RE COMING TONIGHT IS THIS.

THEY HAD AN EVENT WITH THEIR WASTEWATER SYSTEM.

THEY HAVE A PRIVATE LIFT STATION, AND THEY HAD A FAILURE THAT OCCURRED OVER MULTIPLE BILLING PERIODS, WHICH IS THE REASON WHY WE'RE COMING FOR THIS EXEMPTION.

UH, OUR CODE DOES ALLOW FOR LEAK ADJUSTMENTS THAT ARE NOT DUE TO THE ACTS AND NEGLIGENCE OF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE CUSTOMER, AND THEY CAN PROVE THAT THEY REPAIRED IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE HAD ISSUES WITH PUMPS, AND THEY HAD TO ORDER PARTS AND MATERIALS THAT TOOK SOME TIME TO, TO, TO GET THOSE, UH, INSTALLED.

UM, SO THE DESCRIBE THEIR EVENTS, UH, IT HAPPENED OVER.

AGAIN IT'S MIDDLE ROAD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, UM, THAT PUMPS INTO OUR COUNTY FORCE MAIN.

LIFT STATION FAILED TO OPERATE, REQUIRING THE SCHOOL TO HIRE A CONTRACTOR TO HAVE THE SEWER PUMPED AND HAULED OFF SITE.

WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE INFORMATION FROM THAT VENDOR TO GIVE US THE QUANTITY OF, OF SEWAGE THAT WAS PUMPED OUT OF THE STATION EACH DAY THEY CAME.

SO WE KNOW THE EXACT AMOUNT THAT WAS CARRIED OFF.

SO THEREFORE WE KNOW AMOUNT TO REFUND.

UH, THE EVENT DID OCCUR TWICE OVER THREE BILLING PERIODS.

UH, AND THOSE TIMES ARE UP THERE.

AGAIN, THE THE SPREADSHEET HERE KIND OF GIVES YOU THE WHOLE IDEA OF WHAT HAPPENED ON EACH INDIVIDUAL DAY.

THIS IS THE AMOUNT THE VENDOR PUMPED OUT EACH DAY.

AND AT THE VERY BOTTOM YOU CAN SEE THE OVERALL QUANTITY AND THE THE CREDIT THAT WE ARE SUGGESTING TO GIVE BACK TO THE SCHOOLS, WHICH IS AN AMOUNT OF $1,219.76, UH, TO ADDRESS THIS ONE, UH, ISSUE.

SO, UM, THE WASTEWATER CHARGES ARE, UH, BASED ON WATER CONSUMPTION.

BUT SINCE THIS WAS A FAILURE AT THE PUMP AND ALL THE WATER DID GO THROUGH THE METER, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO GET, THEY'RE NOT REQUESTING ANY ADJUSTMENT TO THE WATER CHARGES, ONLY TO THE WASTEWATER CHARGES.

UH, SINCE THE WASTEWATER WAS PUMPED OUT, THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT TO THE COUNTY SYSTEM.

AND THERE WAS NO TREATMENT COST DOWNSTREAM AT THE CITY OF HOPEWELL, WHERE WE WOULD PAY FOR THEIR COST.

UH, SO STAFF DOES RECOMMEND THE BOARD AUTHORIZE THE EXEMPTION OF THE CODE TO ALLOW THE REFUND OF $1,219.76 TO THE SCHOOLS.

ANYBODY GOT ANY QUESTIONS? NO, SIR. UM.

I SEE IT HAPPEN TWICE.

HAS THE SYSTEM BEEN FIXED? MY UNDERSTANDING IT HAS BEEN FIXED.

YES. OKAY. UM.

AND I KNOW THAT SCHOOL IS IS RIGHT NEW.

IS THERE A REASON WHY IT FAILED? I DID NOT ASK THAT QUESTION.

THAT'S THAT'S, UH, SCHOOL'S OPERATIONS [INAUDIBLE].

I MEAN, WE PUT THE MONEY, SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED.

YEAH. SO, I MEAN, THE SCHOOL'S NOT A YEAR OLD AND IT'S BREAKING AND PROBABLY SHOULD BE ADDRESSED, IT'S MY ONLY THOUGHT.

THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.

THANK YOU, MR. HALTOM. ALL RIGHT, FOLKS, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

IS ANYBODY TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS EXEMPTION? IT'S THE ALERT ON THE PHONE.

ALL RIGHT.

PUBLIC HEARING. ANYBODY SPEAKING FOR OR AGAINST.

PLEASE COME FORTH. SEEING NO ONE.

I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE BOARD.

WHAT'S Y'ALL'S PLEASURE.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE.

I'LL SECOND.

MISS KNOTT GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

ALL RIGHT. I DON'T SEE ANY ITEMS I'VE MISSED.

SO THE NEXT THING WILL BE A MOTION TO ADJOURN TO JANUARY 23RD AT 6 P.M.

FOR OUR NEXT BOARD MEETING.

SO MOVED. SECOND.

MISS KNOTT, CALL THE ROLL PLEASE

[01:30:08]

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