Nov 28, 2023 Regular Meeting

OKAY. IT IS NOVEMBER THE 28TH, 2023 AT 5 P.M., CALLING THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF THE COUNTY OF PRINCE GEORGE MEETING

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CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

HUNDRED PERCENT ATTENDANCE.

[B. Closed Session (5:00 pm)]

I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD GO INTO CLOSED SESSION UNDER THE FOLLOWING PROVISIONS OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT PURSUANT TO VIRGINIA CODE, SECTION 2.2-3711. SECTION A, ITEM EIGHT FOR THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE RELATED TO RZ-23-04 ALSO C-23-08 AND THE PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT PERTAINING TO TAX MAP NUMBERS 3400A00-007-D AND 3400A00-007-E TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE FROM COMMERCIAL-TO-COMMERCIAL/INDUSTRIAL. THAT'S THE MOTION.

YOU'VE HEARD IT, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

WE'RE IN CLOSED SESSION.

SO, WE NEED A MOTION TO RECONVENE IN TO OPEN SESSION AND CERTIFY THAT ONLY MATTERS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION IN THE CLOSED SESSION WERE HEARD.

MR. CHAIR. MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE RECONVENE IN OPEN SESSION AND CERTIFY THAT ONLY THE MATTERS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED OR CONSIDERED.

I'LL SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

WE WILL BE IN RECESS UNTIL 7 P.M.

IT'S 7:00.

[C. Business Meeting (7:00 pm)]

IT'S NOW TIME TO START OUR REGULAR MEETING.

SO, WE WILL START OUR REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING AND ASK MISS WAYMACK IF SHE'LL GIVE US OUR INVOCATION.

OUR HEAVENLY FATHER.

WE THANK YOU FOR ALL OUR MANY BLESSINGS.

WE THANK YOU FOR THE RECENT PRIVILEGE.

TOGETHER WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS IN THANKS.

LORD, WE ASK THAT YOU BE WITH THOSE WHO ARE SUFFERING FROM ILLNESS AND GIVE THEM COMFORT.

BE WITH THOSE WHO HAVE LOST LOVED ONES AND GIVE THEM COMFORT.

BE WITH OUR LEADERS, O LORD, AND GUIDE THEM.

BRING PEACE TO THE WORLD, O LORD, IN YOUR HOLY NAME WE PRAY.

AMEN. AMEN.

NOW, A SPECIAL TREAT WE HAVE TONIGHT.

WE HAVE BROOKE AND ZOE THAT ARE GETTING AWARDS TONIGHT.

BUT THEY'RE GOING TO LEAD US IN OUR PLEDGE TO THE FLAG.

ALLEGIANCE].

THANK YOU, LADIES, AND THANK YOU.

WE'LL BE SEEING YOU ALL AGAIN IN A MINUTE.

NOW IT'S TIME FOR ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS.

PEOPLE THAT WANT TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT THINGS THAT AREN'T ON THE AGENDA ALREADY, YOU CAN COME FORWARD AND BE HEARD.

WE DO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT, SO THERE'LL BE PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE AND DURING THOSE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

BUT AT THIS TIME, IT'S TIME FOR ANYBODY TO COME FORWARD FOR COMMENTS TO THE BOARD.

THAT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT ISN'T ON THE BOARD ALREADY ON THE DOCKET.

DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS? NO, SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THERE'S NO ONE SIGNED UP.

IS THERE ANYONE WANT TO COME FORWARD TONIGHT AND HAVE COMMENT? GIVE US YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS AND WHAT YOU GOT.

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THANK YOU. MY NAME IS DONNA COYNE.

I'M AT 13620 TAYLOR DRIVE.

AND I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE SOLAR SITE THAT'S COMING UP.

BUT, MA'AM, I CAN TALK ABOUT ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.

THIS WAS OKAY. OKAY.

EXCUSE ME. GO AHEAD.

MY HUSBAND COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT.

HE WANTS YOU TO KNOW AS AN AMATEUR, EXTRA LICENSE HOLDER, THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF LICENSE THAT A RADIO AMATEUR PERSON CAN HAVE.

HE HAS CONCERNS ABOUT HIS STATION, AND ANY OTHERS IN THE AREA WILL POTENTIALLY BE IMPACTED BY THE SOLAR SITE.

SOLAR FARMS CAN CAUSE INTERFERENCE WITH RADIO EQUIPMENT AND TV SIGNALS.

THIS IS BECAUSE MOST SOLAR SYSTEMS USE OPTIMIZERS WHICH CAN INTERFERE WITH RADIO.

AMATEUR HAM OPERATORS.

RECEPTION OF SHORTWAVE RADIO AND TV SIGNALS.

MR. HUNTER AND MR. CARMICHAEL, I AM AWARE THAT YOU WILL BE LEAVING THE BOARD AT THE END OF THE YEAR, AND I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE LAST OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO ADVOCATE FOR THE CITIZENS OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY, WHO ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT PROTECTING THEIR RURAL LIFESTYLE.

THIS LARGE SCALE INDUSTRIAL SOLAR FARM THAT INCLUDES A BATTERY STORAGE DOES NOT BELONG IN THE MIDDLE OF A RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT IS SURROUNDED BY HOMES.

RWE DOES NOT HAVE OUR BEST INTEREST IN MIND, ONLY THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT THEIR SHAREHOLDERS.

THIS WOULD BE A 40-YEAR COMMITMENT THAT THE RESIDENTS OF PRINCE GEORGE DO NOT WANT TO COMMIT TO.

I URGE ALL THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO ADHERE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S UNANIMOUS DECISION TO FIND RWA NOT TO BE IN SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE AND DENY THEIR REQUEST FOR AN EXEMPTION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

AARON. STORY, 1316 PUMPHOUSE ROAD.

SIR, PULL THE MIC DOWN A LITTLE BIT, PLEASE, SO IT CAN BE HEARD A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

YEAH. 1316 PUMPHOUSE, 1316 PUMPHOUSE DRIVE ROAD.

IF THE MAP IF YOU ALL HAVE A PICTURE OF THE MAP THAT WAS MAILED TO THE RESIDENTS ABOUT THE SOLAR FARM, THE LARGE RED AREA IS INDICATED AS THE SOLAR FARM.

THE LITTLE BITTY RED AREA IN THE MIDDLE IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE'LL BE SURROUNDED HALF MILE IN EVERY DIRECTION OF SOLAR FARM.

WE WILL LITERALLY BE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

IT'S SIX HOUSES.

I'VE GOT ABOUT TEN QUICK POINTS OF INTEREST.

THE WELL WATER MY WHERE THE RED AREA IS.

THE SOLAR FARM WILL BECOME A 200FT FROM MY WELL.

MY WELL WATER IS 14 FOOT DEEP.

WHEN YOU LIFT A LID, YOU CAN SEE IT DOWN 14FT.

I HAVE A FEELING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOIL EROSION, CORROSIVE CHEMICALS GOING INTO MY WELL .

ALSO, THE WILDLIFE COMPLETELY GOING TO BE GONE.

LIKE I SAID, MY NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE SURROUNDED, LITERALLY LANDLOCKED IN SOLAR PANELS.

THE PROPERTY VALUE WOULD DROP TREMENDOUSLY BECAUSE WE WOULD NEVER, NOT THAT I'M GOING TO, BUT WE'D NEVER BE ABLE TO SELL.

I WAS TOLD THAT THERE IS A 20-DEGREE TEMPERATURE CHANGE IN THE SOLAR FARM ITSELF.

FROM THE OUTSIDE AREA.

THE SUPERVISORS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SLOGAN IS EMBRACING ITS RURAL CHARACTER.

AND THAT WAS ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT, BECAUSE WHEN I BOUGHT IN PRINCE GEORGE OR DISPUTANTA.

I DIDN'T BUY.

DIDN'T WANT TO BUY INTO A MIDDLE OF A SOLAR FARM.

I BELIEVE Y'ALL ARE GOING TO HAVE A.

I BELIEVE IT WAS POSTED IN THE NEWSPAPER.

OH, I BELIEVE SOMEONE HAD TOLD ME THAT LAST MONTH IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE POSTED IN THE NEWSPAPER FOR DECEMBER 12TH MEETING.

A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS AND I WAS TOLD IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ONE MILE OF THE SOLAR FARM, THAT ALL THE RESIDENTS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE NOTIFIED.

A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE NOT BEEN NOTIFIED ABOUT THIS AT ALL.

I'VE BEEN BRINGING IT TO THEIR ATTENTION.

I WAS WONDERING IF POSTING IT IN THE NEWSPAPER IS THE BEST FORM OF ADVERTISING.

BECAUSE NOBODY READS A NEWSPAPER ANYMORE.

YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP, BUT THE MAIN THING IS, I'D LIKE FOR Y'ALL TO AT LEAST SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT THE MAP AND REALIZE THAT RIGHT DEAD IN THE CENTER, THE LITTLE BITTY RED SQUARE IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S ABOUT A QUARTER MILE LONG, AND IT WOULD BE COMPLETELY SURROUNDED.

LITERALLY, I'D BE THE ONLY ONE LEFT WITH STANDING TREES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

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I'M AT 13732 PUMPHOUSE.

I'M ACTUALLY MR. STORY'S NEIGHBOR.

ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SOLAR FARM.

JUST A FEW POINTS.

FIRST OF ALL, I'VE KIND OF GONE OVER Y'ALL'S PROPOSAL FROM.

OR. EXCUSE ME, YOUR POLICY THAT WAS IN PLACE FOR THIS SOLAR FARM.

THEY'RE REQUESTING 506 ACRES, WHICH IS ACTUALLY ALREADY OVER 22.3 ACRES OVER WHAT IS ALLOTTED FOR THE SOLAR FARMS IN THE COUNTY OF PRINCE GEORGE.

SO, THEY'RE IN EXCESS WITH THAT.

I'M SURE YOU'LL SEE THAT ON THEIR APPEAL.

NUMBER THREE IN YOUR POLICY SAYS THAT PRINCE GEORGE IS DESIRED TO PROTECT, MAINTAIN AND IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF THE NATURE OF THE ENVIRONMENT.

THIS IS NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

LIVING BESIDE OF HIM, I CAN TELL YOU WE'VE ALREADY HAD LAND CLEARED IN THE AREA.

OUR WILDLIFE HAS ALREADY BEEN DISPLACED AND THIS WOULD BE ISSUES WITH POSING TO THE WETLANDS THAT ARE AROUND US.

WE HAVE SWAMP LAND ACROSS THE STREET BESIDE OF US ALL IN OUR AREA THAT COULD BE IMPACTED FOR DUCKS, GEESE THAT ARE, WE KNOW.

ARE THERE EAGLES THAT WE HAVE SEEN THERE? WE'VE ALSO GOT MANY OTHER WILDLIFE ANIMALS.

MY HUSBAND SEEING SOMETHING RUN ACROSS THE ROAD, WE ACTUALLY HAD TO GOOGLE IT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT IT WAS ONE DAY.

ALSO, 6.B WAS NO KETAMINE CADMIUM, SORRY.

IN THE PANELS AND ALL THE RESEARCH THAT I'VE DONE ON THE PANELS, THEY USE A COMBINATION OF CADMIUM, ARSENIC AND ALSO LEAD IN THEIR STUFF WHEN THEY'RE MADE. SO, I WOULD BEG YOU TO PLEASE ASK THEM, WHERE ARE THEY GETTING THEIR PANELS MADE? WHAT ARE THEY CONSISTENT OF? BECAUSE THAT DOES GO BACK TO THE CONSTITUTION WITH WHAT HE'S SAYING WITH WATER RUNOFF.

AND OUR WELLS ARE RIGHT THERE AT WHERE THE LAND IS PROPOSED.

MY LAND WOULD ACTUALLY BE RIGHT BESIDE OF THE PROPOSED, LITERALLY IN THAT FIRST SQUARE.

OURS IS THE FIRST HOUSE, AND THEY'RE RIGHT BESIDE OF US.

UM, OTHER.

THERE'S THE NOISE THAT IT WILL BRING TO THE AREA.

THERE IS THE NOISE OF THE CONSTRUCTION, ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC TO THE AREA, WHICH WE'RE ALREADY REROUTED RIGHT NOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BRIDGE RIGHT AT THE BAKER'S POND AREA. SO, WE'RE ALREADY BEING REROUTED TO THWEATT, AND A LOT OF TRAFFIC IS PICKED UP THROUGH THE AREA.

LIGHTING THAT WILL BE THERE FOR THE FACILITY.

WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO ONCE THEY DECOMMISSION IT AFTER THE 40-YEAR PROJECT? I KNOW MOST PANELS DON'T LAST BUT 20 TO 25 YEARS, AND ALL THE RESEARCH THAT I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT KIND OF WRAP THIS UP, IT'S JUST NOT GOOD FOR US.

AND I IMPLORE YOU AS OUR BOARD AND TO PROTECT YOUR RESIDENTS, PLEASE VOTE NO WHEN IT COMES TO THIS APPEAL.

ONE FINAL THING. I JUST HAVE TO SAY, I SEEN THIS QUOTE THE OTHER DAY AND IT REALLY SPOOKED SPOKE TO ME.

IT SAYS YOU SERVE YOUR LORD AND YOUR COMMUNITY OR THE MASTERS OF YOUR MONEY.

IT REALLY MEANT A LOT TO ME.

AND I'LL SAY ONE LAST THING.

WE MOVED TO PRINCE GEORGE ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO NOW, A YEAR AFTER I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH STAGE FOUR BREAST CANCER.

AND OUR HOME IS MY OASIS AND I HATE TO SEE THAT RUINED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

OH. GOOD AFTERNOON, GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING, SIR. MY NAME IS MARK GRUBBS.

MY ADDRESS IS 2100 COURTLAND ROAD SOUTH, PRINCE GEORGE, VIRGINIA, 23805.

I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THE SOLAR FARM A WEEK OR SO AGO.

MY WIFE AND I OWN 49 ACRES IN CHARLES CITY COUNTY.

AND IN APRIL OF LAST YEAR, WE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM DOMINION POWER IN REFERENCE TO OPENING OUR PROPERTY UP FOR SOLAR PANELS.

OKAY, SO I CALLED IT WAS A FIRST-CLASS LETTER, SO I KNEW IT HAD SOME LEGITIMACY TO IT.

SO, I CALLED AND TALKED TO A SUPERVISOR AT DOMINION POWER TOO AND SPENT ABOUT 35 MINUTES ON THE PHONE WITH HIM ABOUT THIS.

AND SINCE I THINK A LOT OF THIS LAND IS FARM OR FIELDS, SO THAT'S PRETTY EASY.

THEY HAVE THREE PHASES THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH WITH PROPERTY.

SO, IF YOU HAVE WOODS THAT'S GOING TO TAKE THE LONGEST AMOUNT OF APPROVAL TIME ANYWHERE FROM 5 TO 7 YEARS.

OKAY. THE CONTRACT TO PAY WHOEVER OWNS THE PROPERTY IS FOR 15 TO 25 YEARS.

OKAY. NOW THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN AND THEY'RE GOING TO COMPLETELY REDO THE LAND BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO HAVE RUNOFF FOR WATER DRAINAGE, THAT SORT OF THING. THEY ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY'VE GOT ENOUGH POWER CABLES TO MAKE IT TO A SUBSTATION.

THEY ALSO LIKE TO TRY AND GET ONE MEGAWATT OF POWER PER 5 TO 7 ACRES PER YEAR.

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SO, AFTER THE 20, AFTER THE CONTRACT IS OVER WITH, THEY WILL GET THE PROPERTY BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS.

IF IT WAS A FIELD GRADE, I GUESS IF IT WAS WOODS, THEY'RE GOING TO RESEED IT AND SEEDLINGS.

BUT THIS IS THE KICKER.

THERE'S A 25-YEAR HALF-LIFE PERIOD THAT YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THAT PROPERTY, BECAUSE WHAT THE LADY SAID A LITTLE BIT AGO ABOUT CADMIUM AND ARSENIC AND OTHER TOXIC AND CARCINOGENIC CHEMICALS, THAT'S GOING TO STILL BE IN THE AREA.

OKAY. SHE TALKED ABOUT WILDLIFE.

OKAY. WHERE'S ALL THE ENVIRONMENTALIST WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS? YOU'RE TALKING OVER 500 ACRES OF SOLAR PANELS WHERE ALL THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO RELOCATE A LOT OF WILDLIFE.

AND THEN THE NEXT THING TO THINK ABOUT, I DON'T THINK THIS COUNTY WOULD HAVE ANY ISSUES AFTER THE 25 YEARS, BUT WHERE THOSE PANELS ARE NOT BIODEGRADABLE, WHERE DO THEY GO? WHERE ARE THEY TRANSPORTED TO DISPOSE OF? IT'S JUST LIKE THESE WINDMILLS THAT WE GOT THOSE BLADES AND EVERYTHING.

IT'S IN PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE WINDMILLS THAT WE HAVE IN TEXAS AND IN THE PLAINS STATES, AND OUT IN THE OCEAN, FOR THAT MATTER, AFTER THEIR 15 OR 25 YEAR LIFE. WHERE DO THOSE PANELS GO? AND THOSE BLADES, THEY'RE NON-BIODEGRADABLE.

SO, THEY GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE.

SO, I'M IN OPPOSITION TO THIS.

I WANT TO THROW THAT LITTLE BIT OUT THERE ABOUT THAT HALF-LIFE.

BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING UP TO 50 PLUS YEARS FOR THE ENTIRE PROCESS FROM START TO FINISH TO GO THROUGH THIS AND WE'LL ALL BE DEAD.

BUT ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT.

I AM IN OPPOSITION TO THIS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

GOOD EVENING, GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.

GOOD EVENING. OK IS GOING TO START AND I GOT MY EYES FIXED.

YEAH, OKAY. GOT BOTH CATARACTS DONE.

ALL RIGHT. I CAN SEE DOWN.

SO. GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS JIM QUIST. LIVE AT 9807 COUNTY LINE ROAD.

MAKE NO MISTAKE, THIS IS NOT RESIDENTIAL SOLAR.

THIS IS UTILITY SCALE SOLAR.

I CALL IT INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

THE SHEER VOLUME OF THIS MACHINERY AND BATTERY STORAGE REQUIRED FOR BAKER'S POND HAS NO PLACE BEING LOCATED IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

A CAPACITY OF 100MW.

THAT'S THE HANDOUT THAT I GAVE YOU, BY THE WAY.

THIS PROJECT WILL REQUIRE 227,000 OF THE PANELS.

THE GENTLEMAN WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT A QUARTER OF A MILLION PANELS FOR 100MW.

IT'LL ALSO REQUIRE 16 CONTAINER STRUCTURES.

SEE THIS PICTURE DOWN THE BOTTOM OF THIS HANDOUT.

THAT'S THE BATTERY STORAGE.

THEY HAVEN'T EVEN BROUGHT THIS UP ON THEIR APPLICATION, BUT IT'S ON THEIR WEBSITE.

LOOK AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE.

THAT'S THE RWC WEBSITE.

IT CLEARLY SAYS 100MW AND BATTERY BACKUP NOT IN THE APPLICATION.

WHERE ARE THESE BATTERIES GOING TO GO? THEY REQUIRE A FIVE-ACRE SET ASIDE JUST FOR THE BATTERIES.

AND THE COOLING EQUIPMENT, SO THE ENVIRONMENTAL FIRE HAZARDS ARE REAL.

COMPLETELY LEAVING THIS OUT OF THE APPLICATION IS FALSE AND MISLEADING.

BASICALLY, THE SITING POLICY SAYS THIS SOLAR FACILITY WITHIN THE PRINCE GEORGE PLANNING AREA SHOULD BE AVOIDED.

SHOULD BE AS A VERY SIMPLE PHRASE AS LIKE YELLING UPSTAIRS AT YOUR KIDS, YOU SHOULD BE DOING YOUR HOMEWORK.

IT SETS AN EXPECTATION, SHOULD BE VERY CLEAR WORDS.

LET'S LOOK AT THE WORD SUBSTANTIAL AS IN SUBSTANTIAL ACCORD.

CAMBRIDGE SAYS THAT MEANS LARGE IN SIZE, LARGE IN VALUE, OR VERY IMPORTANT, SUBSTANTIAL ACCORD.

TO ME AS AN ENGINEER MEANS THERE'S NO EMISSIONS OF ANY ESSENTIAL PART.

AND THERE'S BEEN A FIRM EFFORT TO COMPLY FULLY WITH THE STANDARDS, I.E.

FUTURE LAND USE.

THIS APPLICANT IN THEIR APPEAL.

IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE DOCUMENT, I HOPE YOU WILL BEFORE THE MEETING NEXT MONTH BECAUSE IT'S A WORK OF FICTION.

THEY WANT THIS BOARD TO BELIEVE THAT TWO THIRDS OF THE TOTAL 1200 ACRES BEING PLACED IN THE WRONG PLANNING AREA IS THE SAME AS SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GETTING VERY MANY THINGS OTHER THAN COAL IN THEIR STOCKINGS THIS YEAR.

YOU CAN'T TELL A LIE LIKE THAT AND KEEP A STRAIGHT FACE.

IF THE BRAKES ON YOUR CAR ONLY WORK 33% OF THE TIME, OR THE PLUMBING IN YOUR HOUSE DUMPS 66% OF THE TOILET IN YOUR LIVING ROOM, YOU WOULDN'T CALL EITHER ONE OF THOSE THINGS COMPLIANT.

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MY PAPA USED TO SAY, A PARTIAL TRUTH IS A LIE.

AS A TEENAGER, THAT WAS A HARD LESSON TO LEARN.

BUT IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR A SUBSTANTIAL ACCORD.

I'LL BE BACK NEXT MONTH.

I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO UPHOLD THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RULING THAT THIS IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE.

THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU. WE'RE STILL IN A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION OF THE MEETING.

SO ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS ANY COMMENTS TO MAKE THAT AREN'T ON THE AGENDA ALREADY COME FORWARD, PLEASE.

SO, SEEING NO ONE ELSE COMING FORWARD, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SECTION.

NEXT IS THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.

ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED.

SO MOVED. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION IN A SECOND.

ANY COMMENTS? HEARING NONE. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

NEXT IS THE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[D. Order of Consensus]

SO MOVED. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION.

A SECOND. A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. CALL THE ROLL.

NOW WE HAVE TO SEE THE TWO YOUNG LADIES THAT JUST LED US A MINUTE AGO.

[E. Presentations]

I THINK MS. WAYMACK IS GOING TO READ THAT COMMENDATION TO.

BROOKE IS HERE, RIGHT? BROOKE IS RIGHT THERE.

OKAY. NOW COME FORWARD, PLEASE.

YOUR PARENTS OR ANYBODY ELSE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE CAN COME FORWARD AS WELL.

COME ON OUT.

STAND RIGHT UP HERE AND FACE THE FOLKS.

AND MS. WAYMACK WILL READ YOUR ACCOMMODATION FOR YOU.

HOW ARE YOU DOING, SIR? ALL RIGHT. THIS IS AN HONOR TO DO THIS.

AND, BROOKE, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I WAS ONCE A GIRL SCOUT.

AND YES, THERE WERE GIRL SCOUTS BACK IN THE DARK AGES.

SO, I'M VERY HAPPY TO DO THIS FOR YOU.

BROOKE REYNOLDS.

BROOKE REYNOLDS OF GIRL SCOUT TROOP 360 HAS EARNED HER GIRL SCOUT GOLD AWARD.

AND WHEREAS THE GOLD AWARD IS A 90-HOUR PROJECT AND MUST BE ABLE TO BE CONTINUED ANNUALLY WITH THE SPONSOR ORGANIZATIONS. AND WHEREAS BROOKE REYNOLDS HAS COMPLETED OVER 500.

COMMUNITY SERVICE HOURS WITH INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS THROUGHOUT HER GIRL SCOUT CAREER.

OH, THAT'S A LOT OF HOURS.

WHEREAS BROOKE DID HER GOLD AWARD ON A SAFETY DEFENSE PROGRAM FOR TEENS AND PRE-TEENS.

THE PROGRAM WAS CALLED.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

OR FREEZE! SHE TAUGHT MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS.

ABDUCTION AWARENESS AND SAFETY.

USING SELF-DEFENSE WITH KARATE EXPERT.

SHE TAUGHT SELF-AWARENESS AND NUTRITION WITH A NURSE NUTRITIONIST.

THIS WAS CREATED FOR TEAMS TO BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE, REACT, AND ESCAPE BAD SITUATIONS.

AND WHEREAS BROOKE IS A GIRL SCOUT NATIONAL DELEGATE FOR GIRL SCOUTS, COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA 2023 NATIONAL CONGRESS.

SHE'S A PRINCE GEORGE CHEERLEADER.

IN THE BAY CLUB.

MULTICULTURAL CLUB JROTC.

MODEL U.N., DECA.

PRESIDENT. INTERACT CLUB AND AN HONOR STUDENT.

COULD SHE DO ANYMORE? WHEREAS BROOKE IS A GIRL SCOUT NATIONAL DELEGATE FOR GIRL SCOUTS, COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA.

2023 NATIONAL CONGRESS.

WHEREAS BROOKE REYNOLDS DEDICATED CONSCIENTIOUS PARTICIPATION.

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NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF THE COUNTY OF PRINCE GEORGE.

THIS 28TH DAY OF NOVEMBER 2023, HEREBY COMMENDS AND CONGRATULATE BROOKE REYNOLDS ON ATTAINMENT OF THE GOLD AWARD IN THE GIRL SCOUTS.

NEED FOR DEDICATED VOLUNTEER WORK ACHIEVEMENTS IN THE COMMUNITY.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THIS BOARD WISHES BROOKE REYNOLDS MUCH SUCCESS AND HAPPINESS AS SHE PURSUES HER FUTURE GOALS.

AND THIS IS SIGNED BY DONALD HUMMER, CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, AND JEFFREY DE.

WHO'S THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR? ALL RIGHT.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING? I'M VERY HONORED. YOU KNOW GOLDMAN.

AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU GOT IT, IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME AND DEDICATION.

YOU HAVE MADE NIGHTS OF CRYING, WANTING TO TELL THE COMPUTER.

A LOT OF WORK, BUT DID YOU GET IT DONE? IT'S EASY. OPENS UP MANY OPPORTUNITIES.

THINGS TO ACHIEVE IN LIFE.

WE'RE VERY PROUD OF YOU.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING? PARENTS. NO, NO.

OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU. OUR NEXT ACCOMMODATION IS FOR ZOE STOKE.

IF YOU WOULD COME FORWARD WITH YOUR FAMILY.

OH, THEY LOOK FAMILIAR.

OH, YEAH. WELL, THIS GIVES ME GREAT HONOR.

AND I WAS NOT. THAT'S GOOD.

BUT AT ANY RATE, IT GIVES ME A REAL HONOR TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THIS TO ZOE AS ACCOMMODATION FOR ZOE STOKE ATTAINMENT OF GIRL SCOUT GOLD AWARD PRESENTED ON TODAY'S DATE NOVEMBER 28TH, 2023.

WHEREAS ZOE STOKE OF GIRL SCOUT TROOP 281 HAS EARNED HER GIRL SCOUTS GOLD AWARD.

AND WHEREAS THE GOLD AWARD IS A [INAUDIBLE] PROJECT AND MUST BE ABLE TO CONTINUE ANNUALLY WITHOUT THE WITHIN THE SPONSOR ORGANIZATION. WHEREAS ZOE STOKES.

ZOE HAS COMPLETED OVER 500 COMMUNITY SERVICE HOURS WITH INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS THROUGHOUT HER GIRL SCOUT CAREER.

AND WHEREAS, ZOE DID HER GOLD AWARD ON SELF-AWARENESS, HEALTHY LIVING AND NUTRITION, HER PROGRAM WAS CALLED LET'S GET PHYSICAL. SHE HAD CLASSES FROM LOCAL PROFESSIONAL ZUMBA INSTRUCTOR, ZUMBA INSTRUCTORS, YOGA NUTRITIONIST.

HEALTHY EATING WEIGHTS AND AS WELL AS BECOMING A HEALTHY BODY, MIND AND SOUL.

AND WHEREAS ZOE IN THE IS IN THE COLOR GUARD FOR THE MARCHING BAND AT PRINCE GEORGE HIGH SCHOOL, THE BETA CLUB, THE NATIONAL HONOR SOCIETY STUDENT GOVERNMENT PRESIDENT.

THE 4H CLUB, WOODDALE SWIM TEAM AND MU ALPHA, IS THAT RIGHT? MU ALPHA THETA.

THAT WAS CLOSE.

AND WHEREAS, ZOE STOKES DEDICATED CONSCIENTIOUS PARTICIPATION AND LEADERSHIP IN COMMUNITY AND HUMANITARIAN ACTIVITIES ARE RECOGNIZED AND SALUTED.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF THE COUNTY OF PRINCE GEORGE, THE 28TH DAY OF NOVEMBER 2023, HEREBY COMMENDS AND CONGRATULATES ZOE STOKES ON ATTAINMENT OF THE GOLD AWARD IN THE GIRL SCOUTS, INCLUDING HER DEDICATED VOLUNTEER WORK ACTIVITIES IN THE COMMUNITY.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THIS BOARD WISHES ALWAYS STOKED MUCH SUCCESS AND HAPPINESS AS SHE.

PURSUES FOR FUTURE GOALS.

BY MYSELF AND YOUR DAD.

HERE'S YOUR AWARD.

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DID MR. [INAUDIBLE], SIR.

NO COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.

DID HE WRITE DADDY ON IT? I THINK [INAUDIBLE]. I'M SORRY.

CONGRATULATIONS, SIR.

CONGRATULATIONS, JEFF. THAT'S ALWAYS A NICE THING TO HAPPEN TO HONOR THESE YOUNG FOLKS FOR DOING HONORABLE THINGS.

WE NOW MOVE DOWN TO SUPERVISORS' COMMENTS.

[F. Comments]

THANK YOU, MS. WAYMACK.

YES. I HAD A COMMENT THAT I WANTED TO PASS ALONG TO THE CITIZENS ABOUT THE DOG DISEASE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN READING ABOUT IT IN THE PRESS, BUT THERE IS A NEW DOG DISEASE THAT HAS NOW BEEN SEEN IN VIRGINIA, AND THEY'VE JUST DISCOVERED THAT IT'S CAUSED BY A NEW BACTERIUM NEVER SEEN BEFORE.

AND THERE'S NOT MUCH IN THE PLACE OF TREATMENTS YET.

THEY HAVEN'T WORKED OUT A GOOD ANTIBIOTIC AGAINST IT.

AND THE DOG HAS A PNEUMONIA TYPE.

IT'S A RESPIRATORY DISEASE AND IT IS NOT A VIRUS.

IT'S A BACTERIUM.

SO THAT WILL MAKE IT EASIER TO BE TREATED IF THEY EVER FIND THE ANTIBIOTIC THAT WILL WORK.

SO, THEY RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO NOT TAKE YOUR DOGS TO DOG PARKS.

DO NOT LET THEM AROUND OTHER DOGS.

THE VETS HAVE THEIR OWN REGULATIONS.

IF YOU TAKE THEM TO THE VET, THEY'LL TELL YOU WHAT TO DO AND I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG THIS WILL GO ON OR IF IT'LL GET WORSE.

NOBODY KNOWS. BUT IF YOU HAVE A DOG, KEEP THEM AT HOME FOR RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU, MS. WAYMACK. MR. BROWN, NO COMMENT. NO COMMENT TONIGHT, SIR.

NO COMMENT. NO, SIR.

NOT TONIGHT. OKAY.

AND I'LL MOVE ON TO COMMENTS FROM THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

AS WE ENTER THE HOLIDAY SEASON, JUST A NOTE OF A COUPLE UPCOMING EVENTS TOMORROW, WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 29TH, IS THE PRINCE GEORGE ANNUAL CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING CEREMONY AT 7 P.M.

NEAR THE PRINCE GEORGE REGIONAL HERITAGE CENTER.

ON FRIDAY, DECEMBER 1ST, THERE WILL BE A WREATH LAYING CEREMONY TO HONOR FALLEN OFFICERS.

THE 9 A.M.

IS AT MERCHANT'S HOPE CEMETERY AND THE 11 A.M.

IS AT SOUTH LAWN MEMORIAL PARK.

AND ON SATURDAY, DECEMBER 2ND WILL BE THE PRINCE GEORGE CHRISTMAS PARADE.

COURTHOUSE ROAD WILL BE CLOSED DOWN FOR A SHORT TIME.

THE PARADE STARTS AT 3 P.M.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE MOVE INTO THE ORDER OF BUSINESS.

SIR? YES, YES.

OKAY, SO IT IS 7:30.

[H. Public Hearings]

THANK YOU, MR. BROWN. THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IS A REZONING RZ-23-04 REQUEST OF THE INTERSTATE VIRGINIA HOLDINGS, LLC TO CONDITIONALLY REZONE APPROXIMATELY 11.366 ACRES FROM RESIDENTIAL TO GENERAL BUSINESS.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, PULLING UP THE PRESENTATION.

GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN HUNTER AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. ART AND MR. STOKE. SO, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THE BOARD IS HEARING THIS REQUEST AND IT'S OF INTERSTATE HOLDINGS.

INTERSTATE HOLDINGS TO CONDITIONALLY REZONE ABOUT 11.4 ACRES FROM A AND B1 TO JUST BE ONE WITH PROFFERS.

AND THE DEVELOPER PLANS TO BUILD A TRAVEL CENTER ON THE PROPERTY.

AND IT'S ON SUNNYBROOK ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 16,600.

AND IT'S THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR COMMERCIAL USES OF THAT PROPERTY.

AND IN JUST A MINUTE, WE'LL HAVE A HAVE A MAP UP TO SHOW THAT.

THERE IT IS THE PROPERTIES OUTLINED IN RED AND THEN ALSO BLUE, SHOWING A SMALLER AREA WITHIN THAT TAX PARCEL THAT IS ACTUALLY BEING REQUESTED FOR REZONING.

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IS THE OYO HOTEL ON THE TOP, TOP PART OF THE IMAGE OR TOP NORTH PART OF THAT PROPERTY.

AND THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE INTERSTATE INTERCHANGE THERE, 95 WITH COURTLAND ROAD.

HERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.

AGAIN, THAT'S THE TAX PARCEL.

BUT THE HOTEL AT THE TOP IS NOT PART OF THE REQUEST.

AND THERE'S. LOOK AT THE ZONING MAP.

PART OF THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL, AGRICULTURAL.

THAT'S THE TAN COLOR, AND THE REST OF IT ALONG SUNNYBROOK ROAD IS GENERAL BUSINESS.

AND AGAIN, THEIR GOAL IS TO MAKE IT ALL GENERAL BUSINESS.

THIS IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

YOU CAN SEE IT'S PLANNED FOR THAT PROPERTY TO BE COMMERCIAL USE AND NEARBY.

THERE'S ALSO PLANNED AGRICULTURAL USE AND PUBLIC USES.

AS WELL AS MORE COMMERCIAL USE.

THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.

AND THE AREA REQUESTED FOR REZONING IS OUTLINED IN RED.

THIS LOOKS I THINK THIS LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE LAST TIME YOU SAW IT IN JUNE.

THE BUFFER HAS BEEN EXPANDED FROM 30FT MINIMUM TO 50FT.

YOU CAN SEE IT AROUND THE PERIMETER TO THE NORTH AND VEGETATED BUFFER THAT WOULD HAVE TREES AND SHRUBS INSIDE OF IT.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED TRAVEL PLAZA DEPICTED THERE WITH PARKING AREAS FOR TRUCKS, PARKING AREAS FOR CARS AND THE BUILDING.

AND WE'LL GET WE'LL JUST REVIEW THOSE DETAILS BRIEFLY IN JUST A MINUTE.

THIS IS THE PHOTOS OF THE SITE AS IT IS TODAY OR A FEW MONTHS AGO AND IT'S VACANT PARCEL.

THERE USED TO BE BUILDINGS ON IT, HOTELS, TWO DIFFERENT HOTELS IN THE PAST AND THEY INCLUDED A RESTAURANT, BUT THEY'VE BEEN THEY WERE REMOVED AROUND 2017.

SO JUST GOING BACK ON HOW WE GOT HERE ON APRIL 6TH.

THE APPLICATION TO REZONE THE PROPERTY WAS SUBMITTED IN MAY.

THERE WAS A PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND JUST PRIOR TO THE MEETING, THEY SUBMITTED SOME PROFFERS TO ADDRESS SOME CONCERNS THAT HAD COME UP RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING, AND THEN THAT THAT REQUEST WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, SUBJECT TO THE THREE PROFFERS THAT WERE OFFERED AT THAT TIME. AND THEN IN JUNE, THE BOARD HEARD THIS REQUEST AND DECIDED TO POSTPONE IT AND ASKED FOR THE APPLICANT TO MEET WITH STAFF, TRY TO RESOLVE THE CONCERNS THAT CAME UP AND ASK FOR CRIME DATA.

AND THEN THE CASE WAS SUBSEQUENTLY ADVERTISED, BUT IT WAS POSTPONED AGAIN.

WHILE THERE WERE STILL UPDATES GOING ON TO THE APPLICATION MATERIALS AND THE PROFFERS.

AND THAT BRINGS US TO TONIGHT IS THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS WOULD BE TONIGHT.

AND THEY HAVE REVISED PROFFERS THAT ARE DATED NOVEMBER 15TH.

THAT THERE ARE ADDITIONAL PROFFERS IN COMPARISON TO BEFORE.

IT'S JUST GOING BACK OVER THIS REQUEST.

THE GOALS ARE TO DEVELOP A 13,000 SQUARE FOOT TRAVEL PLAZA.

SOME COMPONENTS OF THAT ARE SHOWN THERE, INCLUDING CONVENIENCE STORE, RESTAURANT AND PARKING SPACES, AND A DOG PARK AND SHOWER AND LAUNDRY ACCOMMODATIONS FOR TRUCK DRIVERS. AND SO, THE REQUEST AGAIN IS TO REZONE FROM TWO DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE ON THERE.

IT'S SPLIT ZONED RIGHT NOW.

SO, TO JUST ONE ZONING DISTRICT WITH PROFFERS, STAFF REVIEW COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

JUST NOTING IF IT'S REZONE, THEN ALL BE ONE BY RIGHT.

LAND USES WOULD BE PERMITTED, INCLUDING TRAVEL, THE COMPONENTS OF A TRAVEL PLAZA AND THE SITE WAS USED COMMERCIALLY.

IN THE PAST WE TALKED ABOUT THAT STRUCTURES WERE DEMOLISHED EXCEPT FOR THE HOTEL, AND THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

KEEP IN MIND, A SITE PLAN WOULD BE REQUIRED BEFORE CONSTRUCTION CAN BEGIN, AND THAT WOULD COVER ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS LIGHTING, LANDSCAPING, PARKING, ETCETERA.

THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE SERVED BY PRIVATE WATER AND SEWER.

THERE'S NO PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER AVAILABLE THERE.

CRIME DATA, AS REQUESTED BY THE BOARD WAS PROVIDED BY THE CHIEF OF POLICE.

IT'S IN THE APPLICATION MATERIALS AND THE APPLICANT REVISED THEIR PROFFERS SINCE THE LAST TIME THAT YOU HEARD THIS REQUEST.

ADJACENT USES. JUST REMEMBERING WHAT'S THERE.

YOU HAVE THE VACANT LAND AROUND IT, AS WELL AS INTERSTATE 95, A VDOT MAINTENANCE FACILITY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF COURTLAND ROAD.

THERE'S A TELECOM TOWER ON THE SITE, AND THERE ARE A FEW SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLINGS TO THE NORTH AND WEST OF THIS PROPERTY.

EXCEPT EXPECTED OFFSITE IMPACTS, OF COURSE, VEHICLE TRAFFIC BEING THE MOST OBVIOUS ONE.

THE APPLICANT DID CONDUCT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND THAT WAS SUBMITTED AND ACCEPTED.

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AND THOSE ARE BASED ON SIMILAR TYPES OF FACILITIES IN THE AREA.

AND THE APPLICANT, IF NEEDED, CAN ELABORATE ON ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.

NOISE AND VISUALS FROM OPERATIONS OF THE PLAZA AND AS WELL AS HAVING TRUCKS ON THE SITE.

SO THOSE WOULD BE AN IMPACT TO THIS.

AND SO, SOME MITIGATION WOULD INCLUDE THE COUNTY'S EXISTING NOISE ORDINANCE ENFORCED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THE APPLICANT IS ALSO OFFERED PROFFERS PROMISES FOR PROVIDING A 50-FOOT VEGETATIVE BUFFER AND SCREENING FOR ROOFTOP MECHANICAL UNITS. THAT IS SOME ASPECT OF MITIGATION THERE.

AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERN THEY HAVE OFFERED PROFFERS REGARDING PUTTING UP A PRIVACY FENCE AROUND THE NORTHERN PERIMETER AND LIGHTING AND SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS ON SITE, INCLUDING LICENSE PLATE READERS.

VDOT REVIEWED THIS REQUEST AGAIN.

THEY LOOKED AT THAT TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WAS SUBMITTED, AND THEY JUST NOTED WHAT THE CONCLUSIONS WERE IN THAT STUDY.

IT SAID THAT THE INTERSECTIONS THAT WERE STUDIED ARE PROJECTED TO OPERATE AT A SATISFACTORY LEVEL, AND THEREFORE NO IMPROVEMENTS ARE RECOMMENDED.

UTILITIES DEPARTMENT NOTED THAT THIS PROPERTY DOES NOT HAVE COUNTY WATER SEWER AVAILABLE, SO THEY'LL HAVE TO INSTALL A PRIVATE SYSTEM.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE COMMENTS, BUT THIS THEY'LL HAVE TO SUBMIT.

THE OWNER WILL HAVE TO GET PERMITS FOR WHATEVER THEY'RE INSTALLING.

PUBLIC COMMENTS.

SO OF COURSE, THIS CASE WAS ADVERTISED IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE CODE REQUIREMENTS, AND THERE IS A SIGN ON THE PROPERTY.

PRIOR TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING, WE RECEIVED SOME PHONE CALLS IN OPPOSITION AND THEN AT THE PUBLIC, AND THIS WAS BACK IN MAY.

AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, TWO PEOPLE SPOKE IN OPPOSITION.

THEN WHEN IT GOT TO THE BOARD IN JUNE, SEVERAL PEOPLE SPOKE IN OPPOSITION.

AND PRIOR TO THIS MEETING, WE HAD MARK GRUBBS, ADJACENT OR NEARBY PROPERTY OWNERS, SENT INFORMATION TO THE BOARD, AND THAT INCLUDED A PETITION SIGNED BY 38 PEOPLE.

AND THEN ONE ADDITIONAL NEARBY PROPERTY OWNER SUBMITTED WRITTEN COMMENTS, I THINK, TODAY ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE.

PUBLIC CONCERNS RAISED.

ARE ON THE SCREEN FOR YOU.

JUST A REMINDER.

ALL RIGHT. AND PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION AFTER THEIR PUBLIC HEARING WAS APPROVAL FOR TWO BY 4 TO 1 VOTE.

AND THEY PROVIDED THE REASON THERE, AND THE VOTE WAS 4 TO 1 IN RESPONSE TO THE PUBLIC CONCERNS.

THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A REVISED CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND REVISED PROFFERS.

IN NOVEMBER, THEY SUBMITTED A FEW ROUNDS OF THAT, AND WE WORKED AS WE WORKED THROUGH THAT WITH THEM.

AND THAT'S THE FINAL VERSION THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR IN YOUR STAFF REPORT PACKAGE.

A SUMMARY OF THIS PROFFERS.

THERE ARE NINE PROFFERS IN THERE, AND THEY PERTAIN TO THE USES THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED THE VEGETATIVE BUFFER SCREENING FOR ROOFTOP MECHANICAL UNITS.

THEY'LL HAVE TO DEVELOP ACCORDING TO THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN ABOUT SECURITY.

THERE WOULD BE LICENSE PLATE READERS.

FOOTAGE WOULD BE SHARED WITH THE POLICE UPON REQUEST.

THERE BE ONE SECURITY EMPLOYEE ON SITE.

THERE'S A PROFFER ABOUT THE PRIVACY FENCE.

IT WOULD BE OPAQUE KNOTT, CHAIN LINK PARKING LOT LIGHTING AND COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

THERE'LL BE SHRUBBERY WOULD BE LOW LEVEL.

SO, YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE PROPERTY IF YOU'RE STANDING ON THE PROPERTY OVERNIGHT.

TRUCK PARKING ON ONLY ON THE INTERIOR AREAS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, UP TO 23 SPACES FOR OVERNIGHT PARKING IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

SO, THE APPLICANT DID SEND A PRESENTATION.

CLIFF, CAN YOU PULL IT? OKAY. SO, AND THEY WANTED TO COME UP AND MAKE THEIR OWN STATEMENT.

AND THEN AFTER THAT WE CAN DO QUESTIONS IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

MY NAME IS ANDY COLEMAN.

ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, INTERSTATE HOLDINGS.

WITH ME IS CHRIS THOMPSON AS WELL, THE ENGINEER FOR THE SITE.

HERE WE GO.

ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO TRY NOT TO REPEAT, BUT I DID HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE SIMILAR TO WHAT MR.

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THE SITE WITH THE FORMER HOTEL AND RESTAURANT USES IS PARTIALLY ZONED THE BUSINESS, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY REZONING THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROPERTY, REQUESTING REZONING SO THAT THE PROPER CONDITIONS APPLY TO NOT JUST THE PROPERTY THAT'S NOT B1, BUT TO THE ENTIRETY OF THE B1 PROPERTY.

I THINK THAT'S SIGNIFICANT GIVEN THE EXTENT OF THE PROFFERS THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED.

AND I THINK MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR COMMERCIAL ZONING.

THIS IS WHAT IT'S INTENDED FOR.

WE'RE ASKING FOR THE B1, CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMERCIAL ZONING.

AND WE BELIEVE WE'VE PROVIDED PROFFERED CONDITIONS THAT ALLOW FOR SOME OF THE ALLEVIATION OF THE IMPACTS THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.

WITH RESPECT TO WHAT HAS BEEN HEARD SO FAR IN THE WRITTEN MATERIAL, BUT ALSO THE PRESENTATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED.

MR. GRAVES HAS POINTED OUT THE PROPOSED LAYOUT THAT INCLUDES OUR PROPERTY, THE 11 ACRES THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE, AS HE SAID, THE OYO HOTEL OR THE CELL TOWER THAT'S IN THE BACK AS WELL. SO, IT WOULD JUST APPLY TO THE B ONE AND TO THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE PROPERTY THAT WE'VE SHOWN IN THE BOUNDARIES THERE.

TAKING A CLOSER LOOK. THE REQUEST IS PRETTY SIMPLE.

THAT'S BEFORE YOU B1 IS FOR THE COMMERCIAL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION IS DESIGNATED FOR USES PERMITTED IN B1.

ACCORDINGLY, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY'S COMP PLAN, BUT RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL.

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY, MORE IMPORTANTLY, TO TAKE VACANT PROPERTY THAT HAS BEEN USED, PROBABLY IN INAPPROPRIATE WAYS IN THE PAST, AND MAKING A PRODUCTIVE USE OF THIS PROPERTY AND ENCOURAGING REDEVELOPMENT AND UPGRADES TO THE ENTIRE AREA.

AND WE HAVE PROVIDED IN OUR PROFFERS QUALITY STANDARDS.

IN FACT, WE'VE, I BELIEVE, PROVIDED FOR EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN ASKED FOR, INCLUDING THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND PROVIDING FOR ACCESS POINTS, HAVING A TRUCK ACCESS POINT OFF OF COURTLAND TO ENCOURAGE THAT SO THAT IT'S NOT OFF OF SUNNYBROOK.

PROVIDING FOR BUFFERS AND INCREASING THE WIDTH OF THOSE, BUT I THINK PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL PLANTINGS EVERY 100 LINEAR FEET.

AND WE'VE DEFINED THOSE IN THE PROPER CONDITIONS.

AT THE LAST BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING, IT WAS REQUESTED THAT WE MEET WITH THE POLICE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY WE'RE PROVIDING FOR, INCLUDING THE FLOCK CAMERA SYSTEM FOR THE LICENSE PLATE READERS, WHICH WOULD BE THE FIRST, I BELIEVE, OF ITS KIND IN THE AREA THAT IN ADDITION TO VIDEO CAMERAS IN ALL PUBLIC SPACES AND SURVEILLANCE FOOTAGE BEING MADE AVAILABLE AT THEIR REQUEST TO BOTH LOCAL AND STATE POLICE, AND HAVING A SECURITY EMPLOYEE THERE ANY TIME IT'S OPEN FOR BUSINESS.

THERE WAS ALSO CONCERN REGARDING THE ADJACENT HOTEL AND MAKING SURE THAT'S SEPARATED FROM THIS BUSINESS.

AND SO, WE'RE PROVIDING FOR A SECURITY FENCE AND OPAQUE SIX FOOT MINIMUM SIX-FOOT HEIGHT FENCE AND PROVIDING FOR ENHANCED PARKING LOT LIGHTING AS REQUESTED BY THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO OVERALL, I BELIEVE WE'VE CREATED THE PROPER CONDITIONS THAT HELP RESPOND TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS.

AND WE ULTIMATELY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS GOING TO HELP PROVIDE FOR AN UPGRADE IN THIS COMMUNITY, UPGRADE IN THE AREA FOR SOME OF THE BUSINESSES AND WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT, TAKING PROPERTY THAT, QUITE FRANKLY, HAS GONE THROUGH SOME TECHNICAL CHALLENGES IN PROVIDING FOR A POSITIVE REDEVELOPMENT ON THAT.

SO, WE BELIEVE WE'VE MET THE.

LEGISLATIVE REQUIREMENTS FOR REZONING BASED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BASED ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE, BASED ON THE PROFFERED CONDITIONS AND THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE'RE HAPPY TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU TO TAKE THIS PROPERTY AND AGAIN, MAKE IT A PRODUCTIVE USE.

SO, WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

ANY QUESTIONS? ANYBODY? I'M GOOD. THANK YOU.

OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR, VERY MUCH.

SO, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

I'M SORRY, MR. GRAVES.

DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE, SIR? NO, I WAS JUST MAKING SURE AND SEE IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE YOU START.

NO, I JUST ASKED. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS STAFF.

OKAY, GREAT. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

OKAY. OKAY.

THANK YOU, MR. GRAVES. IS THIS A PUBLIC HEARING? ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OR OPPOSING THIS PUBLIC HEARING FOR REZONING REQUEST, PLEASE COME FORWARD. GIVE US YOUR NAME.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE, MA'AM.

I SPOKE AT THE LAST MEETING.

MY NAME IS VICKIE COUNCIL.

I RESIDE AT 2107 CORTLAND ROAD.

I AM JUST A TWO-YEAR RESIDENT HERE AT PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.

THE PLACE I PICKED TO RETIRE IN.

I'VE TALKED WITH MANY RESIDENTS IN THE AREA.

THEY DO NOT WANT TO COME FORTH.

THEY DO NOT WANT TO SIGN A PETITION BECAUSE THEY FEAR IT'S THE SAME OLD THING IT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH.

I REFRESH THEIR KNOWLEDGE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS AN ELECTED POSITION.

WE THE PEOPLE PUT YOU HERE AND YOU WORK FOR US, AND WE HOPE YOU WILL LISTEN TO US TODAY.

SOME TIME AGO, I TALKED WITH ANDRE GREEN.

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I ASKED HIM ABOUT INGRESS AND EGRESS OF THESE 18 WHEELERS.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE ENTERING AND EXITING DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF MY PROPERTY.

I AM NOT A HAPPY CAMPER ABOUT THAT.

I LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT.

I'VE BEEN OVER AND TALKED WITH THEM.

THEY EMPHASIZED THAT THEY HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THAT TIME.

I DON'T KNOW NOW WHETHER THEY DO OR NOT.

THE DEVELOPER ON THE SITE THAT I LOOKED AT IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY IS A MR. SINGH. HE'S ONLY LISTED AS THE REGISTERED AGENT.

SO, I LOOKED UP THE REGISTERED AGENT'S ADDRESS.

IT'S 501 SOUTH PARK BOULEVARD, WHICH IS A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH A BURGER KING ATTACHED TO IT.

HE RECEIVES ALL OF HIS MAIL THERE, ALONG WITH 18 OTHER COMPANIES.

IN LIGHT OF THE CURRENT POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT INCREASED CRIME, POLLUTION, DRUG ACTIVITY, HUMAN TRAFFICKING, NOISE, AND THE LIGHTING WITHIN A TWO-MILE RADIUS.

THERE ARE TWO OTHER TRUCK STOPS IN THIS AREA, ONE AT COURTLAND AND ONE DOWN ON CRATER ROAD.

I'VE EXPERIENCED BEING WOKEN UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WITH THEM TRYING TO MANEUVER, COME IN THE DRIVEWAY, BECAUSE THE MAPPING SYSTEM ON THE CELL PHONES ARE NOT ACCURATE AND UP TO DATE. TURNING AROUND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YARD, HAVING TO GRASP AND RESEED THE YARD HAD TO MOVE MY MAILBOX TWICE, WHICH COST MONEY.

NOW IT'S ON A NEW LOCATION.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE COUNTY'S CODE COMPLIANCE DEPARTMENT.

WHY HAVEN'T THEY GONE AND DONE SOMETHING ABOUT THE TRASH BUILD UP ON THIS PROPERTY? UM, IT'S AN EYESORE.

EVEN THE PLACE NEXT DOOR, THE OYO MOTEL.

I AGREE THAT TRUCK DRIVERS NEED A VARIETY OF AMENITIES AT THESE LOCATIONS, BUT THIS ONE'S NOT GOING TO HAVE ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN THOSE ALREADY ESTABLISHED ON CRATER AND CORTLAND ROAD. THERE ARE FRONTLINE WORKERS AND AN ESSENTIAL SERVICE THAT IS NEEDED.

I'M THANKFUL EVERY DAY FOR THE AMAZING JOB THEY'RE DOING AT THIS CRITICAL TIME.

I JUST CAN'T SEE THE NEED FOR ANOTHER TRUCK STOP.

REGARDLESS OF WHAT I THOUGHT THE HIGHWAY HAD DONE THE SURVEY, IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE THAT DID THE SURVEY AND GAVE IT TO INTERSTATE.

THE DITCH LINES ARE ERODING TERRIBLY, ESPECIALLY AT MY MY AREA, AND I HAVE CALLED THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT AND HAVE NOT SEEN ANYBODY COME OUT AND RESPOND TO IT. LIKE I SAID, I RETIRED.

I DIDN'T ANTICIPATE HAVING TO LOOK OVER MY SHOULDER, BE AWARE OF MY ENVIRONMENT EVERY TIME I GO OUT ON MY DECK TO WANT TO HAVE A CUP OF COFFEE, LISTEN TO THE BIRDS SINGING AND LOOK AT THE SUNSET.

THANK YOU. I'M OPPOSED TO THIS.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT.

BACK AGAIN. MARK GRUBBS, 2100 COURTLAND ROAD SOUTH.

PRINCE GEORGE. I HOPE I DIDN'T OVERLOAD Y'ALL'S INBOXES THE OTHER DAY WITH THOSE POWERPOINTS.

A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM ON MY END.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS ALREADY SENDING.

BUT ANYWAY, I AM DEFINITELY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS THING.

I WAS AT THE 13TH OF JUNE MEETING WHERE MR. WEBB HAD CAUGHT THE APPLICANT'S FEMALE ATTORNEY IN A LIE.

THERE WAS A THING ABOUT OVERNIGHTING AND SHE SAID THAT THERE WAS NO OVERNIGHTING, AND MR. WEBB STATED THAT HE WAS A TRUCK DRIVER AT ONE TIME.

AND WHEN THAT LOGBOOK IS FULL, YOU NEED TO PULL OVER AND FIND A PLACE TO CRASH.

SHE EVENTUALLY, AFTER 2 OR 3 TIMES SAYING THAT THERE WAS NO OVERNIGHTING STATED THAT THERE WAS OVERNIGHTING FOR 50 TRUCKS.

I JUST NOW HEAR THAT THERE'S OVERNIGHTING FOR 23.

SO, WHICH ONE IS IT? TALKING ABOUT TRUCK STOPS, WE GOT FOUR TRUCK STOPS IN THREE EXITS.

WE GOT THE SUNOCO, THE BP AT EXIT 45.

WE GOT THE EXXON AT EXIT 41, AND WE HAVE A HUGE DAVIS TRUCK STOP AT EXIT 33.

WHAT DO WE NEED THIS THING FOR? PROPERTY VALUES ARE GOING TO REDUCE SIGNIFICANTLY BECAUSE WHO WANTS TO HAVE A TRUCK STOP NEXT DOOR.

WE LIVE AN EIGHTH OF A MILE FROM THAT THING OR WHERE IT MAY COME FROM.

I DON'T KNOW WHO DID THIS ASSESSMENT, BUT TO ME, IF YOU GOT 3423 VEHICLES IN A 24-HOUR PERIOD AND YOU DON'T SEE ANY ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, YOU'VE GOT TO BE BLIND.

OR YOU DID THIS THING AT TWO IN THE MORNING.

THERE IS NO WAY THAT YOU CAN HAVE 3423 VEHICLES ON THAT EXIT IN ONE DAY AND NOT HAVE WRECKS.

THERE'RE WRECKS EVERY MONTH ON THAT EXIT.

MR. CARMICHAEL'S DAUGHTER GOT HIT, AND NOT EVEN AT THAT EXIT.

THAT WAS A HALF A MILE AWAY AT A RESTAURANT.

SHAKER'S. OKAY.

THEY ALSO THE FEMALE ATTORNEY STATED THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR EMPLOYMENT.

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SO, YOU'RE GOING TO TRY AND TELL ME THAT THIS HAS GOT EMPLOYMENT PROSPECTS FOR A TRUCK STOP, AND YOU CAN'T EVEN KEEP $2 GENERALS OPEN ON A WEEKEND.

SCHOOL BUSSES GOT SCHOOL BUSSES UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD ALL DAY LONG, AND THEY'RE GOING TO MANEUVER THROUGH 3423 VEHICLES.

I DON'T THINK SO.

DRUGS, PROSTITUTION.

THERE'RE POLICE AT EXIT 45 EVERY SINGLE DAY.

I SEE THEM ALL THE TIME.

DRUGS, PROSTITUTION, POLLUTION.

WE ALL HAVE SHALLOW WELLS WHERE WE LIVE.

THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DIG DEEP WELLS.

WHAT HAPPENS IF OUR WELLS DRY UP? WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR THOSE FOR DIGGING POLLUTION? THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.

SO, THERE YOU HAVE IT.

I'M IN OPPOSITION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR.

WE'RE STILL OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE REZONING.

THE FIRST REZONING? YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING BOARD.

GOOD EVENING. ADMINISTRATOR.

MY NAME IS SHANE BRIDGEMAN.

I RESIDE AT 4100 REDGATE DRIVE, DISPUTANTA.

I OWN THE PROPERTY AT 2176 COURTLAND ROAD, WHICH IS BACKS RIGHT TO THIS TRUCK STOP WHERE MY MOTHER RESIDES.

I'VE BEEN TO EVERY MEETING.

THE ONE VOTE THAT GOT YOU, THE ONE PERSON THAT VOTED AGAINST IT AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS A RETIRED VDOT REPRESENTATIVE.

HE WAS TOTALLY AGAINST IT.

TOTALLY. UM.

I SPOKE AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT ALL THE NEGATIVE STUFF, WHICH YOU'VE HEARD SOME OF IT HERE TONIGHT.

YOU KNOW, THE CRIME, THE PROPERTY VALUE DECLINE.

DISTURBING NOISES.

MORE NOISE. POLLUTION FROM IT.

EXCESSIVE TRAFFIC.

LOOK, I'VE BEEN IN THIS COUNTY MY WHOLE LIFE, 48 YEARS.

UM. I GREW UP IN THIS COUNTY.

MY FAMILY'S BEEN A PART OF THIS COUNTY.

I'M ALL ABOUT EXPANSION.

YOU KNOW, MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THIS COUNTY GROWING.

PLAIN AND SIMPLE, BUT I'M DEFINITELY AGAINST A TRUCK STOP RIGHT HERE.

THAT EXIT HAS NEVER BEEN SUITABLE FOR THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT COMES OFF OF IT NOW.

IT DEFINITELY ISN'T SUITABLE WHEN THE TRUCK STOP GETS BUILT.

UM, SOME OF THE PROFFERS I SEE.

THOSE ARE JUST GENERIC PROFFERS.

FOR EXAMPLE, YOU GOT 11 ACRES OF TREES SITTING THERE.

WELL, LET ME REPHRASE THAT.

YOU GOT EIGHT ACRES OF TREES SITTING THERE.

NOW THAT DOESN'T BUFFER THE HIGHWAY FROM THE FROM THE RESIDENTS THERE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK 50 FOOT IS GOING TO DO? NOTHING. THE OTHER ISSUES I GOT WITH THIS.

YOU KNOW, WELLS WERE BROUGHT UP A LITTLE WHILE AGO ABOUT BEING CONTAMINATED OR GOING UP DRY.

I MEAN, SOME OF THE PROPERTIES I'D LIKE TO SEE ADDED IS A SOUND RETAINING WALL IN FRONT OF THAT 50-FOOT BUFFER.

IF THIS DOES GO THROUGH SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS UNDERGROUND DETENTION SYSTEM TO HELP FILTER OUT ALL THE OILS AND ANYTHING THAT COMES INTO THAT POND ON THE CORNER THERE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE POND IS SHOWING.

IT'S LISTED IN THERE. THAT'S NOT A POND.

I'VE BEEN THERE MY WHOLE LIFE.

THAT'S A SEWAGE LAGOON THAT THE HOTEL USED, AND THE RESTAURANT USED.

WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THAT? UM. SO, I MEAN, I'M TOTALLY AGAINST THIS.

LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT GOING TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE.

EVERYBODY ELSE HAS BROUGHT UP THE CRIME AND ALL THAT STUFF.

I BROUGHT IT UP BEFORE.

I JUST, I DON'T THIS ISN'T THE PROPER LOCATION FOR A TRUCK STOP.

I AGREE, IT'S A PROPER LOCATION FOR A BUSINESS, NOT A TRUCK STOP.

NOT A TRUCK STOP. THAT'S ALL I GOT WITH THAT.

THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING THE REZONING OF THE INTERSTATE HOLDINGS LLC, APPROXIMATELY 11 ACRES. ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS REZONING COME FORWARD AND LET THE BOARD HEAR.

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PUB AND TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE BOARD FOR COMMENTS.

YEAH, I HAVE NO COMMENT.

NO COMMENT. COMMENTS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR.

MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE THERE'S DISCUSSION, IT MIGHT BE PROPER TO ASK IF THERE'S A MOTION TO BRING THE MATTER BEFORE THE BOARD, AND THEN THE BOARD COULD DISCUSS THE MOTION IF.

IF YOU THOUGHT THAT WAS APPROPRIATE.

OKAY, SO IF ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION TO BRING IT BEFORE THE BOARD.

YEAH. MR. CHAIRMAN, I DO.

OKAY. AND I'VE SAT HERE IN VARIOUS MEETINGS AND LISTENED VERY OPENLY TO ALL THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO DENY RZ-23-04, BECAUSE BASICALLY THE AREA THAT'S BEING REQUESTED TO BE REZONE IT DIRECTLY ABUTS BACK UP TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

AND BASICALLY, IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD USAGE.

ALSO, THIS AREA, AS WE KNOW, IS NOT YET READY FOR THE IMPACT OF THIS EXPANDED COMMERCIAL USE.

FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S NO WATER, THERE'S NO SEWER.

AND AT THIS TIME.

WHICH HAS INDICATED THAT THE AREA IS NOT READY YET FOR FULL CONVERSION TO A COMMERCIAL USE SUCH AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME.

SO THAT IS MY MOTION, SIR.

I'LL SECOND IT. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

HAVE ANY DISCUSSION.

NO. NO DISCUSSION.

POINT WELL TAKEN.

MR. BROWN. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION REQUEST TO PERMIT A SPECIAL CARE HOSPITAL WITHIN A GENERAL BUSINESS B1 ZONING DISTRICT PURSUANT TO PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE, 93938 ALL RIGHT.

GOOD EVENING ONCE AGAIN.

AS WE PULL THAT UP, THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST IS TO ALLOW AN ADDICTION TREATMENT FACILITY TO OPEN IN EXISTING BUILDINGS.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY SIX AND A HALF ACRES IN SIZE.

IT'S LOCATED AT 16905 PARKDALE ROAD.

AND IT'S IDENTIFIED AS A TAX MAP NUMBER THERE.

AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR COMMERCIAL USES ON THIS PROPERTY.

ALL RIGHT. SO ON THIS SLIDE YOU CAN SEE THE MAP SHOWING THE PROPERTY THAT IT'S OUTLINED IN RED THERE OFF THE INTERSTATE IS BASICALLY THE OTHER SIDE OF THE INTERCHANGE FROM THE OTHER PROPERTY ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND ON PARKDALE ROAD.

AND YOU CAN SEE TO THE SOUTH THERE'S THE BEXLEY MANUFACTURED HOUSING COMMUNITY.

AND THEN.

ON. YOU CAN'T SEE MUCH ON THE AERIAL VIEW, BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT ADJACENT LAND USES SOON.

BUT IT'S MOSTLY VACANT OTHER THAN ON THE SURROUNDING AREA, EXCEPT FOR THE BEXLEY MOBILE HOME PARK, AND THIS IS THE AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.

YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING BUILDINGS AND EXISTING PARKING AREAS.

THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL OR A VIEW OF THIS CONCEPTUAL PLAN SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.

YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING BUILDINGS AGAIN OUTLINED WITH THE PROPERTY LINES AND THE PARKING AREAS, AND SOME PHOTOS OF THE PROPERTY, THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING IN THE TOP LEFT, ANOTHER PART OF DIFFERENT BUILDING ON THE BOTTOM, AN INTERIOR PHOTO.

I THINK THAT'S THE INTERIOR OF THE HOTEL LOBBY AREA OR FORMER HOTEL LOBBY AREA.

ALL RIGHT. SO JUST FORMERLY THIS FACILITY WAS OPERATED AS A HOTEL.

IT WAS CALLED THE GATEWAY INN AND ECONO LODGE.

AND SO, THIS THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER IS LOOKING TO HAVE A NEW USE IN THERE, WHICH IS AN ADDICTION TREATMENT FACILITY.

THE COMPANY IS CALLED ONE SOURCE COMMUNITY CARE.

THEY HAVE OTHER LOCATIONS IN VIRGINIA, AND THIS FACILITY WOULD HAVE UP TO 50 ROOMS FOR STAYS OF UP TO 30 DAYS AT A TIME, WITH MEETING ROOMS AND CLASSROOMS. AND SO, THE REQUEST IS FOR A SPECIAL CARE HOSPITAL, WHICH IS THE ZONING ORDINANCE TERM FOR THAT GENERALLY COVERS WHAT YOU SEE IN THE DEFINITION THERE, INCLUDING

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COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

YOU HAVE.

THE ADJACENT USES ARE VACANT LAND A MOBILE HOME, MOBILE HOME PARK A CREEK.

INTERSTATE 95 AND ONE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING ABUTTING THE PROPERTY AND EXPECTED OFFSITE IMPACTS WOULD BE AS FAR AS VEHICLE TRAFFIC IS CONCERNED, LESS THAN A HOTEL.

THERE'S NOT. THE PEOPLE STAYING THERE AREN'T LEAVING FOR ABOUT 30 DAYS.

SO. BUT YOU WOULD HAVE THE EMPLOYEES.

OF COURSE, THOSE ARE THE KNOWN OFFSITE IMPACTS.

AS FAR AS RECENT SIMILAR REQUESTS, THERE WAS THE ARROWWOOD ADDICTION TREATMENT FACILITY A FEW MONTHS AGO THAT WAS AT THE CROSSINGS OR NEAR THE CROSSINGS.

ON THE NORTH SIDE OF ADJACENT TO HOPEWELL.

OTHER STAFF REVIEW COMMENTS.

BUILDING INSPECTIONS. IT'S A STANDARD COMMENT.

THEY'LL HAVE TO OBTAIN CHANGE OF USE PERMITS AND MEET ALL BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS TYPE OF USE.

THEY'LL DO SOME OUTFITS OF THE OF THE BUILDINGS FOR THAT.

THE BUILDING THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH NOTED THEY WILL NEED TO GET PERMITS FOR THEIR USE OF PRIVATE WELL AND SEPTIC SYSTEM.

AND VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION SAID THAT THERE ARE TWO EXISTING COMMERCIAL GRADE ENTRANCES.

SO, THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO THIS AS FAR AS THE ABILITY TO ACCOMMODATE INCOMING OUTGOING TRAFFIC.

PUBLIC COMMENTS.

WE ADVERTISE THIS ACCORDANCE WITH THE STATE CODE, AND THERE WAS ONE EMAIL LETTER THAT WAS SENT FROM THE OWNER OF OR EMAIL WITH SOME CONCERNS THAT WAS SENT FROM THE OWNER OF BEXLEY MANUFACTURED HOUSING COMMUNITY.

THEY SENT IT TO THE BOARD AND IT WAS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT MATERIALS.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION ON OCTOBER 26TH WAS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

AND THEY PROVIDE THE REASON THERE.

AND THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS INCLUDE.

I'M JUST LIMITING THIS TO THE TREATMENT OF PATIENTS FOR SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND OR MENTAL HEALTH ILLNESSES, NOT OTHER TYPES OF SPECIAL CARE HOSPITAL USE.

SO, IT'S SPECIFICALLY THAT LODGING ROOMS CAN ONLY BE USED FOR THE STATED PURPOSE.

THEY CAN'T MIX AND HAVE OTHER TYPES OF LODGING THERE.

THE EXPANSION BEYOND 50 ROOMS REQUIRES WOULD REQUIRE AMENDING THIS IF IT IS APPROVED, SO THERE WOULD BE LIMITED TO 50 IF YOU DO APPROVE IT WITH THESE CONDITIONS, 50 ROOMS. AND OF COURSE, THEY'LL NEED TO OBTAIN ALL THEIR REQUIRED PERMITS BEFORE THEY CAN OPEN FULL LIST OF CONDITIONS IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE. ALL RIGHT.

AT THIS POINT, WE COULD.

I'LL SEE IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO COME UP.

IT LOOKS LIKE THEY DO. SO, GET TO HEAR FROM THEM.

THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU, MR. GRIEVE. GOOD EVENING, SIR.

GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

GOOD EVENING. I AM LAWRENCE WILLIAMS. I AM A REGISTERED ARCHITECT HERE IN VIRGINIA, AND I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH MR. STEVE PARSONS ON DEVELOPING THIS PROJECT, AS YOU HAVE ALREADY BEEN AWARE IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU HAVE, WE ARE PROPOSING 50 HOTEL ROOMS THAT WILL BE USED FOR PEOPLE WITH SUBSTANCE ABUSE.

AND WHEN WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT, WE JUST FELT THAT IN THE REGION, THERE'S ALWAYS A NEED FOR DEALING WITH AT RISK PEOPLE, AND WE HAVE ALL SORTS OF INSTITUTIONAL ELEMENTS SET UP ALL ACROSS THE REGION, BUT WE NEED MORE OF THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES, AND ALSO BECAUSE IT'S REMOTE COMPARED TO AN URBAN SETTING.

I NOTICED WHEN I DID MY SURVEY OF THE BUILDINGS THAT THIS IS A GOOD LOCATION FOR THAT TYPE OF FACILITY.

THE IMPACT OF THE ADJACENT LAND USE, I THINK IS CONSISTENT.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IF WE PUT A INSTITUTIONAL LAND USE THERE, THAT'S A STABILIZING ELEMENT COMPARED TO MANY COMMERCIAL FACILITIES OR LAND USES THAT MAY EVENTUALLY OCCUR.

SO, DEVELOPMENT OF NEW INSTITUTIONS IN YOUR COUNTY, I THINK IS A VERY POSITIVE THING IN TERMS OF WORKING WITH MR. STEVE PARSONS, WHO IS THE CEO.

I'VE KNOWN HIM FOR 20 YEARS, AND I'VE ALSO KNOWN THAT HE HAS OTHER FACILITIES, THAT HE HAS EXPERTISE.

AND AS WE ALL KNOW, AS WHEN DEALING WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND LOCAL JURISDICTIONS AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, HE IS WELL EXPERIENCED IN PURSUING THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

I'VE SEEN HIM TAKE EXISTING NURSING HOMES THAT WERE NOT UP TO SPEED, AND HE'S BOUGHT THEM AND TURNED THEM TOTALLY

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SO, HE'S THE TYPE OF FELLOW THAT IS INNOVATIVE IN TERMS OF NEW PROGRAMS THAT ACTUALLY WORK IN THIS REGION, AND HE DOES HAVE OVER 20 YEARS' EXPERIENCE IN DOING THIS.

SO, I'M CONFIDENT THAT THE FACILITY ITSELF IS GOING TO BE UPGRADED.

I THINK MOST OF YOU ARE AWARE OF IT PHYSICALLY.

THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES ARE STILL IN GOOD SHAPE.

WE ARE GOING TO REDUCE THE, YOU MIGHT CALL IT THE UNIT COUNT.

THE UNIT COUNTS.

WE WILL COMBINE HOTEL ROOMS TO FORM SEMINAR SPACES AND EMPHASIZING AGAIN THAT IT'S FOR 50 INDIVIDUALS FOR 30 DAYS. I THINK THIS PROCESS THAT WE ARE IN NOW IS, I WOULD CALL IT A POLICY DECISION FROM A ZONING POINT OF VIEW. ONCE WE HAVE THAT POLICY DECISION FROM YOU, WE CAN BEGIN TO DEVELOP WHAT I CALL DEVELOPMENT PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT SOLUTIONS, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY BUILDING PERMITS, OCCUPANCY PERMITS.

AND AT THAT POINT, I THINK WE CAN BEGIN TO ESTABLISH WORKING WITH THE INDIVIDUALS FROM A SECURITY POINT OF VIEW AND ALL OF THE PHYSICAL SECURITY ITEMS, SUCH AS CLOSED-CIRCUIT CAMERAS AND FENCES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

BUT IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY AT THEIR PLAN, ALL OF THE ROOMS THAT ARE GOING TO BE OCCUPIED ARE INWARD FACING, AND ALL OF THE ROOMS THAT ARE OUT FACING OUTWARD, IN THIS CASE TOWARD BEXLEY, ARE JUST A CLASSROOM SPACE.

SO, WE ARE TRYING TO AGAIN MEET ALL OF THE COMMUNITY ISSUES.

THERE WAS AN ISSUE ABOUT THE WELL.

THE WELL IS PROVIDED BY THE HOTEL.

OBVIOUSLY 5050 UNITS ARE NOT GOING TO USE MUCH WATER, BUT MR. PARSONS LITERALLY PAYS THAT BILL EVEN FOR THE BEXLEY SUBDIVISION AS WELL.

SO, THEY'RE ALL PARTNERS TOGETHER.

AND I THINK THAT'S A POSITIVE THING.

SO, WE'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY.

BUT WE'VE GOT TO GET PAST THIS POLICY DECISION BECAUSE THOSE ARE PHYSICAL ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

AND I'M CONFIDENT THAT WHEN WE GET OUR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

QUESTIONS FOR. FOR THE APPLICANT OR MR. GREAVES? NO, SIR.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

AND ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE SPECIAL EXEMPTION FOR THE REQUEST FOR A PERMIT FOR SPECIAL CARE HOSPITAL COME FORWARD.

YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING, SIR.

GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

MY NAME IS MARK KRONENTHAL.

I AM A CONSULTANT AND LAWYER PRACTICING IN ALL CROSS, VIRGINIA, HERE REPRESENTING THE BEXLEY COMMUNITY, WHOSE ADDRESS IS 2325 ALL STATE ROAD.

AND THAT'S IMMEDIATELY ABUTTING THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY.

SO, THE BEXLEY COMMUNITY, THE CURRENT MANAGEMENT AND OWNERSHIP HAS BEEN THERE FOR NINE YEARS.

THEY DID SEND COMMENTS ON THIS MATTER, WRITTEN COMMENTS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON OCTOBER 26TH.

AND THEN THERE WAS A FOLLOW UP ON NOVEMBER 16TH.

SO, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF TECHNICAL COMMENTS THAT ARE ON THE RECORD AND IN THE FILE, BUT I WANT TO LIFT UP A FEW COMMENTS HERE FOR YOU VERY BRIEFLY.

SO, THE BEXLEY COMMUNITY IS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING AREA.

IT IS MANUFACTURED HOUSING.

IT IS A SAFE, DIGNIFIED PLACE FOR CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY TO LIVE AND HAVE AN AFFORDABLE PLACE.

THERE ARE 140 ADULT RESIDENTS IN BEXLEY.

THERE ARE 20 CHILDREN AND THERE ARE TWO SCHOOL BUS STOPS WITHIN 200FT OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY.

SO, TWO SCHOOL BUS STOPS.

SO, WE BELIEVE THAT THE PROPOSED USE IS INAPPROPRIATE IN THE B1 DISTRICT ADJACENT TO THIS EXISTING AFFORDABLE AREA. AND WE'RE HERE BECAUSE OF THE INTEREST OF OUR RESIDENTS, RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY WHO ARE GENERALLY A VULNERABLE POPULATION.

AND THIS IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT IN THIS CASE BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN NO COMMUNITY MEETING.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHETHER THE APPLICANT HAS MET STATE CODE IN TERMS OF NOTICES, BUT FOR A SPECIAL CARE HOSPITAL, WE WOULD EXPECT A VERY HIGH DEGREE OF PRECISION IN THE APPLICATION, WHICH WE DON'T SEE HERE, AND A HIGH DEGREE OF SENSITIVITY TO

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AGAIN, NO COMMUNITY MEETING HERE, NO COMMUNITY MEETING FOR THE RESIDENTS.

ESPECIALLY SURPRISING CONSIDERING THAT WHILE IT IS TRUE THAT THERE IS A WASTEWATER AGREEMENT THAT BOTH BEXLEY AND THE HOTEL SITE SHARE, THE APPLICANT DOES NOT PAY FOR BEXLEY.

BEXLEY DOES MAKE ITS PROPORTIONATE SHARE PAYMENT.

SO THAT WAS A MISSTATEMENT BY THE APPLICANT.

WE'RE ESPECIALLY CONCERNED BECAUSE THIS SAME APPLICANT DURING THE PANDEMIC OPERATED PATIENT HOUSING ON THIS PROPERTY WITHOUT PERMITS ON, ON THEIR ON THEIR PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY THAT'S THE SUBJECT OF THE APPLICATION AND PATIENTS IN CRISIS FROM THAT FACILITY, THAT UNPERMITTED FACILITY ENTERED THE BEXLEY NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THERE WERE INTERACTIONS IN THE BEXLEY COMMUNITY AMONG THOSE 140 PEOPLE, 20 CHILDREN AND NEAR THE BUS STOPS WHERE THERE NEEDED TO BE POLICE INTERVENTION AT THE REQUEST OF OUR NEIGHBORS.

AND THIS IS AGAIN, THIS IS THIS IS THE SAME APPLICANT.

SO, WITH THOSE IN MIND, THOSE ITEMS IN MIND, YOU HAVE OUR TECHNICAL COMMENTS.

BUT I REALLY WANTED TO LIFT UP THE WHO THE NEIGHBORS ARE TO YOU BECAUSE WE ARE PROFOUNDLY SYMPATHETIC.

YES, SIR. WE ARE. I HATE TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT.

UNDERSTOOD. UNDERSTOOD.

MINUTES ARE UP, SIR. YES, SIR.

I WANT TO BE FAIR TO EVERYONE.

YES, SIR. YES, SIR. WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU DENY THE APPLICATION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

ARE THERE OTHERS THAT WANT TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST? YES, SIR. I'M STEVE PARSON.

I'M ACTUALLY THE CEO OF ONESOURCE, SO I'M THE OWNER.

I WANTED TO ADDRESS THE GENTLEMAN.

FIRST OF ALL, WHAT WE DO.

WE DO IT FOR THE COMMUNITY.

COULD YOU GIVE US HER ADDRESS, PLEASE? 9120 CARDIFF ROAD, RICHMOND, VIRGINIA.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WE DO IT FOR THE COMMUNITY.

WE DON'T DO IT TO BE A STAIN IN THE COMMUNITY.

ALL RIGHT, SO I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK ON.

YOU KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.

THIS IS THE PROGRAM THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT OPERATING.

OKAY. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF STUFF RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS TO MITIGATE, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS BARRIER, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A SIX-FOOT FENCE ON THE PROPERTY.

IT WOULD BE WELL LIT SECURITY, SECURITY PEOPLE ALSO, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE WHAT WE CALL A SECURE FACILITY OR LOCK FACILITY.

NOT THAT IT'S A PRISON, BUT THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO LEAVE THE ACTUAL GROUNDS FROM A STANDPOINT OF IT'S A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM.

YOU. IF YOU WANT TO BE IN THE PROGRAM, YOU MUST CONFORM TO WHAT WE ASK THEM TO DO.

HAVING THE CLASSROOMS ON THE EXTERIOR.

FACING THE EXTERIOR IS ANOTHER BARRIER.

THEY'RE NOT. THERE'S OTHER.

THERE'S THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BE OVER THERE ON THAT SIDE OF THE FENCE, BY THE BEXLEY BY THE BEXLEY HOMES.

HAVING AWAKENED STAFF THAT ARE AROUND ROOM CHECKS, SENSORS AROUND AREAS THAT THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE AT, THIS IS THIS IS THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT WE'RE THINKING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS SAFE.

KNOWING WHERE EVERYBODY IS.

THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING.

IT'S IN A REMOTE LOCATION, YOU KNOW, BUT FOR THE BEXLEY HOMES.

BUT WE UNDERSTAND.

WE SCREEN EVERYBODY.

WE DON'T TAKE VIOLENT INDIVIDUALS.

WE TAKE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE SUBSTANCE ISSUES.

THAT COULD BE ANYBODY THAT'S NOT A HARDENED CRIMINAL THAT HAS A VIOLENT BACKGROUND OR SEX OFFENDER.

SEX OFFENDERS NEED TREATMENT.

THAT'S JUST NOT MY MISSION, THOUGH.

UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S THE LIMITATION THAT WE SET.

WE TAKE PEOPLE THAT ALL WALKS OF LIFE.

DOCTORS, LAWYERS, POLITICIANS, POLICEMEN, FIREMEN AND THEN PUT THEM BACK OUT THERE AND MUCH IMPROVED.

SO, WE DO BELIEVE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY AND NOT TO BE AN IMPEDIMENT TO OR A SAFETY ISSUE TO ANYBODY.

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WE, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE OUR WATER READINGS AND ALL OF THAT.

WE DO SHARE A WASTEWATER PLANT WITH BEXLEY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.

WE WANT TO BE COMPLIANT.

YOUR TIME IS UP ALSO SIR.

SO, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, SIR.

YES, SIR. I'M THE BEARER OF BAD NEWS HERE.

NO, YOU DON'T NEED MY NAME AGAIN.

YES, SIR. OKAY. MARK GRUBBS, 2100 COURTLAND ROAD SOUTH, PRINCE GEORGE, VIRGINIA.

THANK YOU. I'LL TELL YOU; I'M LOOKING AT THIS LETTER FROM Y'ALL I GOT THE OTHER DAY ABOUT THAT TRUCK STOP AND EMBRACING ITS RURAL CHARACTER.

I RETIRED FROM FORT LEE BECAUSE I WANTED TO BE IN THE COUNTRY.

NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A MENTAL AND DRUG ADDICT HOSPITAL THAT'S ABOUT A HALF A MILE FROM WHERE WE LIVE.

CONCERN. SECURITY.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO KEEP THESE PATIENTS CONTAINED? THE FENCING, THE MONITORING.

I'LL TELL YOU WHAT.

AT FORT LEE AND AT FORT PICKETT TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, WHEN THEY BROUGHT IN AUGUST OF 21, WHEN THEY BROUGHT IN ALL THOSE AFGHAN REFUGEES.

WELL, THERE WAS PROBABLY ABOUT 30% THAT WAS ACTUALLY VETTED.

BUT FORT LEE'S MPS, DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY, POLICE AND EVEN THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND AT FORT PICKETT COULD NOT KEEP AFGHAN CITIZENS FROM ESCAPING OFF THOSE INSTALLATIONS.

NOW, THESE ARE FEDERAL INSTALLATIONS.

AND THESE PEOPLE WERE CONTAINED IN A IN THE LODGING FACILITY AT FORT LEE AND AT THE SAME AT FORT PICKETT.

AND THEY STILL GOT OFF POST.

SO, YOU TELL ME ON THAT ONE.

IT'S THIS IS A MOTEL BECAUSE WE LIVE RIGHT OFF THAT EXIT.

IT'S NOT A MENTAL HOSPITAL.

WHAT'S THE EXPANSION PLANS ON THIS THING? YOU KNOW, IS THERE GOING TO BE A LARGER FOOTPRINT DOWN THE ROAD? WELL, NEEDLESS TO SAY, I'M OPPOSED TO THIS.

THE NEXT THING IS, I KEEP HEARING A LOT ABOUT BEXLEY, AND I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE AS A RESIDENT SINCE JANUARY OF 12.

AND BEXLEY AND OHIO MOTEL ARE GOING TO BE THE PRIME CANDIDATES FOR THESE PATIENTS BECAUSE BEXLEY, THAT TRAYLOR CORE IS NOTHING BUT A METH HAVEN.

I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME.

I WORK THE ELECTION POLLS AT SOUTH ELEMENTARY EVERY SIX MONTHS, AND I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME FROM PEOPLE COMING IN THERE, AND THEY JUST TALK ABOUT WHAT A DRUG PROBLEM IT IS. AND OHIO IS THE SAME WAY TOO.

SO ANYWAY, THAT'S MY THAT'S MY OPINION ON THIS.

I DON'T WANT IT.

WE LIVE IN THE COUNTRY FOR A REASON, AND WE DON'T NEED THIS KIND OF STUFF DUMPED ON US.

HERE'S A TRUCK STOP, 3423 VEHICLES ON EXIT 41.

AND GUESS WHAT? THIS PLACE IS ON EXIT 41, TOO.

SO ANYWAY, I WOULD YOU WOULDN'T WANT THIS STUFF NEXT DOOR TO Y'ALL EITHER.

I'M SURE OF THAT.

OKAY, SO ANYWAY, THAT'S MY OPINION ON THIS AND THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR.

YES, SIR. CHAIRMAN HUNTER.

VICE CHAIR OF WEBB. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

MY NAME IS FORD PUGH. I LIVE AT 13305 COLLEGE ROAD.

MY WIFE'S A TEACHER AT SOUTH ELEMENTARY.

WE SERVICE THE KIDS IN BEXLEY.

DURING THE PANDEMIC, WE TOOK THEM SCHOOL SUPPLIES, TOOK THEM WEEKLY SCHOOL PLANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THEY'RE GOOD KIDS IN THERE.

I DON'T THINK I WOULD SUBJECT THEM TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

THE OTHER THING IS THAT ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AGO, SOMEONE ESCAPED FROM POPLAR SPRINGS HOSPITAL, MADE THEIR WAY DOWN TO SONGBIRD ROAD.

IT'S 2.8 MILES AWAY, AND THAT WAS FROM POPLAR SPRINGS.

POPLAR SPRINGS HAS BEEN AROUND FOR 40 PLUS YEARS, AND THEY COULDN'T GET A 15-YEAR-OLD KID TO STAY IN THEIR HOSPITAL.

NOTHING AGAINST MR. PARSONS. I APPRECIATE HIS MISSION TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD PLAN FOR THAT PROPERTY.

I WOULD DENY IT. THANK YOU, SIR.

IT'S STILL A PUBLIC COMMENT.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST? THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTION REQUEST.

SEEING YOU HAVE ANYTHING? MRS. KNOTT? NO, SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN. ALL RIGHT.

I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE BOARD.

DOES ANY BOARD MEMBER HAVE COMMENT OR MOTION? MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A MOTION.

OKAY. A MOTION IS TO DENY SC-2308 BECAUSE OF A RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT FACILITY.

AND THE USE OF IT IS TOO INTENSE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING RESIDENTS.

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WE HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A.

I'LL SECOND THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN.

A MOTION AND A SECOND.

LOCATION IS IMPORTANT.

YEAH. ANY DISCUSSION? NO, SIR. HEARING NONE.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE .

CPA 23-04 REQUEST TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATED FOR A SPECIAL PROPERTY FOR COMMERCIAL-TO-COMMERCIAL/INDUSTRIAL. MR. GREAVE. THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING.

SO, IF THIS REQUEST IS APPROVED, THEN THE CONFERENCE PLAN WOULD SUPPORT INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS AND USES ON THIS PROPERTY. AND THIS PROPERTY IS TO TAX PARCELS TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 44.2 ACRES.

AND IT'S LOCATED AT THE END OF WAGNER WAY NEAR THE INTERSTATE INTERSECTION INTERCHANGE.

WE'LL LOOK AT IT IN A MOMENT, AND THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY THAT IS LOCATED IN THE CITY OF PETERSBURG.

OF COURSE, YOU'RE JUST CONSIDERING THE PART THAT'S IN PRINCE GEORGE.

HERE IS YOUR LOCATION MAP ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE INTERCHANGE OF 295 AND COUNTY DRIVE, AND THE PROPERTY IS BORDERED BY COUNTY DRIVE GOING INTO THE CITY OF PETERSBURG AND AND COURTHOUSE ROAD IN PRINCE GEORGE.

AND THIS IS BASICALLY BEHIND THE WALTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL OR FORMER SCHOOL.

ALL RIGHT. THE AERIAL VIEW, YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY CONSISTS OF SOME FIELDS AND TREES, AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE WEST SIDE WHERE THE PART THAT'S IN BETWEEN THAT BLUE LINE ON THE WEST SIDE AND IN BETWEEN THAT AND COUNTY DRIVE IS THE PART THAT'S IN PETERSBURG.

THIS IS ALSO AGAIN; WAGNER WAY IS NEAR TRACTOR SUPPLY AND MCDONALD'S.

ALL RIGHT. THIS IS THE ZONING MAP SHOWING ITS ALREADY ZONED BUSINESS.

PROPERTY AROUND IT. TO THE NORTH AND EAST IS RESIDENTIAL, AGRICULTURAL, AND THEN IT HAS CITY OF PETERSBURG.

AND THERE IS A REZONING, SEPARATE REZONING REQUEST IN PETERSBURG FOR THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.

AND THE INTERCHANGE TO THE SOUTH.

AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH CALLS FOR COMMERCIAL LAND USE ON THAT PROPERTY AND RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST.

AND THERE IS YOU CAN SEE TO THE SOUTHWEST ACROSS THE INTERSTATE OR ACROSS COUNTY DRIVE.

AND IN SOUTH OF PETERSBURG, YOU HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL LAND USE DOWN THERE.

I THINK YOU'LL SEE A ZOOMED-OUT VIEW LATER ON IN THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION.

THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR WHAT THE PROPERTY OWNER, OR AT LEAST THE APPLICANT, ENVISIONS ON THE PROPERTY.

THE APPLICANT WHO IS, I THINK, THEIR CONTRACT PURCHASER.

AND SO, THEY ENVISION THIS THIS BUILDING APPROXIMATELY 500 OVER 500,000FT² IN THE PARKING AREAS AND ACCESS FOR THAT. UM, IT'S DIFFICULT TO READ BECAUSE IT'S OVERLAID ON TOP OF SHOWING WETLANDS AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ENCOMPASSED ON THIS VIEW. THE REQUEST SUMMARY, AGAIN, WHAT THEY ENVISION IS A 540,000 SQUARE FOOT INDUSTRIAL FLEX BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY TO SERVE TENANTS THAT THEY HAVE, THAT ARE INTERESTED AND THAT ARE IN THE MARKET.

SO, THE REASON WHY THIS IS NOT ALREADY ALLOWED IS IN ORDER TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY FOR THOSE USES, IT WOULD NEED TO BE REZONED TO INDUSTRIAL.

NOW, IF THEY WERE TO APPLY FOR INDUSTRIAL LAND ZONING, WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAP THAT SAYS COMMERCIAL LAND USE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS.

SO, IT WOULDN'T. SO, AN INDUSTRIAL REZONING WOULDN'T BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CONFERENCE PLAN.

BUT THIS IS REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN FOR THAT PROPERTY FROM COMMERCIAL TO EITHER COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL.

SO, THEY THINK IT SHOULD BE EITHER ONE OF THOSE USES SHOULD BE ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY.

AND SO, THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST IS AGAIN HAS CHANGED.

THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION FOR THIS PROPERTY FROM COMMERCIAL-TO-COMMERCIAL/INDUSTRIAL.

AND THOSE DESIGNATIONS, THOSE CATEGORIES ARE LAID OUT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND THOSE DEFINITIONS THAT ARE PROVIDED ARE THERE FOR YOU.

I MEAN, AGAIN, THE COMMERCIAL/INDUSTRIAL ALLOWS EITHER ONE.

THE APPLICANT IN THEIR APPLICATION PROVIDED RATIONALE.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO MINUTE DETAIL HERE, BUT STAFF NOTED AND RESPONDED TO EACH OF THEIR KIND OF MAIN POINTS THAT THEY HAD.

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THEY WERE SAYING, SUCH AS THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN ZONED BUSINESS SINCE 1990 AND HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED FOR THAT PURPOSE DURING THAT TIME PERIOD.

IT WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED AND REZONED WITH A SHOPPING PLAZA IN MIND, BUT THAT HASN'T HAPPENED SINCE THAT TIME AS REZONED.

THEY SAID THAT THEY HAVE INDUSTRIAL FLEX USERS READY TO GO INTO THE BUILDING.

THIS TYPE OF USE IS FEASIBLE AND DOABLE ON THE PROPERTY.

SO, THERE'S NO DISAGREEMENT THERE.

THERE COULD BE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU COULD CONSIDER FOR THAT PROPERTY, SUCH AS COMMERCIAL JUST COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL MIXED USES YOU CAN CONSIDER IN ANY OF THOSE.

BUT THEIR CLAIM IS THAT THEY HAVE INDUSTRIAL USERS READY TO GO.

SO. ANOTHER CLAIM WAS THIS WOULD, IF IT'S DEVELOPED AND REZONED AS PROPOSED, AND THE BIG BUILDING ON THERE WITH AN INDUSTRIAL FLEX USER THAT IT WOULD INCREASE THE ANNUAL REVENUE TO THE COUNTY SIGNIFICANTLY.

SO, AND THAT IS TRUE, IT WOULD GO FROM VACANT TO WELL-DEVELOPED THEN IT WOULD HAVE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IF, YOU KNOW, COUNTER EXAMPLE, YOU HAD RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE PROPERTY, YOU WOULD HAVE MORE PROPERTY VALUE THERE AS WELL, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE AN INCREASED SERVICES FOR SCHOOLS AND FIRE AND EMS ETCETERA.

SAME THING AS IF IT WERE DEVELOPED FOR COMMERCIAL USE, THEN YOU'D HAVE MORE REVENUE.

IT'S REALLY A POLICY DECISION OF WHAT YOU WHAT YOU ENVISION OR WHAT THE COUNTY WANTS ON THAT IN THAT AREA.

ANOTHER CLAIM BY THE APPLICANT COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL USES, ALLOWING EITHER ONE OF THOSE PROVIDES GREATER FLEXIBILITY FOR THAT PROPERTY TO ACTUALLY BE DEVELOPED.

THEY TALKED ABOUT HOW THE PROPERTY IS AN ISLAND SURROUNDED BY MAJOR ROADS AND A SWAMP AND SUBSTANTIAL WETLANDS AROUND IT, KIND OF ON ITS OWN, AS IS THE POINT THERE.

AND THEY TALKED ABOUT IN THEIR APPLICATION THAT THE TRAFFIC WOULD BE MUCH HIGHER FOR A COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH IS CURRENTLY THE PLAN IN THE CONFERENCE PLAN FOR THAT PROPERTY, OR AT LEAST BUSINESS USES.

SO, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW THAT TRAFFIC WOULD BE MUCH HIGHER FOR THAT VERSUS AN INDUSTRIAL FLEX USER.

AND WITH THE SHOPPING PLAZA, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU WOULD HAVE A LOT OF CARS COMING IN.

IF IT'S SUCCESSFUL, YOU HAVE A LOT A GREATER NUMBER OF CARS IN THEORY.

THE TRUTH IS ACTUAL TRAFFIC COUNTS WILL VARY WIDELY DEPENDING ON WHAT ACTUALLY GOES INTO WHATEVER BUILDINGS ARE BUILT ON THE PROPERTY.

AND IF IT IF THIS CONFERENCE AND PLAN CHANGE WERE APPROVED, YOU'D HAVE A REZONING PROCESS IN WHICH YOU COULD CONSIDER WHAT TYPE OF USES YOU'RE OKAY WITH HAVING THERE AND WHAT KIND OF TRAFFIC IMPACTS THERE MIGHT BE FROM THOSE, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE CONSIDER WITH THE OTHER CASE TONIGHT, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE PROFFERS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO RESTRICT CERTAIN USES, RESTRICT THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLES ALLOWED, THAT KIND OF THING.

SO AGAIN, THIS REQUEST BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS JUST A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE.

BUT THAT WOULD BE YOUR GUIDE THAT YOU'D BE SETTING FORWARD FOR.

WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IF THERE IS A REZONING REQUEST.

WHICH THEY DO PLAN TO REZONE IF THIS IS APPROVED.

SO, THAT WOULD BE COMING SOON AS POSSIBLE.

AND SO, THIS CASE WAS ADVERTISED AS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STATE CODE.

AS FAR AS COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

THERE WEREN'T ANY FROM THE FROM THE COUNTY RESIDENTS.

THERE WERE THERE WAS ONE LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE PORT OF VIRGINIA PRIOR TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT THERE'S BEEN NOTHING FROM THE COUNTY RESIDENTS.

UM, STAFF CONSIDERATIONS HERE AS YOU AS YOU CONTEMPLATE YOUR DECISION.

THIS IS A POLICY DECISION TO BE DECIDED BY THE ELECTED LEADERSHIP.

AND SO JUST THOUGHT PROCESS IS IF YOU, YOU KNOW, ONE CONSIDERATION MIGHT BE IF YOU WANT TO HAVE IT THE PROPERTY DEVELOPED, THEN APPROVAL MIGHT RESULT IN THAT SOONER THAN LATER.

IF YOU WANT TO WAIT FOR A COMMERCIAL USER, THEN YOU MAY WANT TO DENY THIS REQUEST.

PLANNING COMMISSION HAD A VOTE OF 7 TO 0 RECOMMENDING APPROVAL ABOUT THIS REQUEST.

THAT WAS OCTOBER PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AND THEY SAID THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP CHANGES THAT ARE REQUESTED ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ENVISIONED LAND USES FOR THAT PROPERTY AND ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

SO, THEY'RE SAYING IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THAT AREA.

QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.

BUT ACTUALLY, FIRST THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION.

SO, THEY WANTED TO PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME INFORMATION FIRST.

OKAY. WELL, IF BOTH OF YOU WILL I'M GOOD.

SEE THE APPLICANT.

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WELCOME TO THE BOARD. ANDY KELLMAN HERE ON BEHALF OF LINGERFELT DEVELOPMENT.

WITH RESPECT TO THIS, AND AGAIN, THANK YOU TO MR. GREAVES FOR PROVIDING A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF THIS PROPERTY.

AND YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THE SAME SLIDES, BUT PART OF THE PROPERTY IS IN PETERSBURG AND IN PETERSBURG, IT'S ALREADY GONE THROUGH A REZONING THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT THEY'RE HOLDING IT AT THE CITY COUNCIL UNTIL PRINCE GEORGE ACTS FROM THE REZONING.

SO, THEY'RE GOING TO WAIT FOR HOPEFULLY THROUGH THE CPA PROCESS WILL STILL HAVE TO APPLY FOR REZONING AND GO THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

THEN THE CITY OF PETERSBURG WILL ACT AFTER THE PRINCE GEORGE PLANNING COMMISSION.

IF WE GET TO THAT POINT.

JUST AS A POINT OF REFERENCE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES CALL FOR COMMERCIAL, OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING DESIGNATION.

BUT WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR INDUSTRIAL ZONING BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR LIKE THE ROLLS-ROYCE PLANT, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES.

WE'RE ANTICIPATION IS TO HAVE SOME FLEX SPACE AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, WHICH I WILL PROVIDE SOME EXAMPLES FOR THAT.

THAT WE DID PROVIDE AS WELL.

THE SECOND THIS PROPERTY IS VERY WELL SITED, WE THINK, FOR THIS TRANSITION FROM A COMMERCIAL TO A COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL BECAUSE IT IS ADJACENT TO COUNTY DRIVE AND THE OFF RAMP OFF OF 285, WE ARE SURROUNDED BY SWAMPS.

THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL IMMEDIATELY NEXT DOOR TO US, AND IT HAS BEEN SITTING SINCE 1990 AS COMMERCIAL ANTICIPATION FOR A SHOPPING CENTER PLAZA.

AND LITERALLY NO, NO OPPORTUNITIES HAVE ARISEN NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE DEMOGRAPHICS, BUT ALSO BECAUSE OF THE MARKET STANDPOINT THAT WE HAVE SOME PARCELS WITH MCDONALD'S AND THE TRACTOR SUPPLY.

BUT SINCE 1990, OVER 30 PLUS YEARS, WE'VE BEEN WAITING AND TRYING TO MARKET THIS PROPERTY WITH NOTHING.

AND THE MARKET HAS CHANGED PRETTY SUBSTANTIALLY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHAT GOES ON.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS, WE'VE LABELED THE PROPERTY, BUT WE ALSO LABELED THE INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY IN THE AREA THAT'S NOT JUST IN PRINCE GEORGE, BUT ALSO IN THE CITY OF PETERSBURG.

INDUSTRIAL DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN ANY MORE HEAVY PRODUCTION, HEAVY DISTRIBUTION.

THE MARKET HAS CHANGED QUITE A BIT, QUITE FRANKLY, NOT JUST BECAUSE OF COVID, BUT IT CERTAINLY HAS ACCELERATED FROM THAT STANDPOINT OF HAVING A SUPPLY CHAIN.

AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PROPOSE SOMETHING THAT'S REFLECTIVE.

NOW, THIS IS NOT PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

WE'VE ACTUALLY GONE THROUGH A REQUEST FOR REZONING.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING AT IT FOR WELL OVER A YEAR.

AND THE IDEA CAME BACK, WELL, MAYBE WE SHOULD ASK THE COUNTY, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FROM A POLICY DECISION.

IS THIS APPROPRIATE FOR POTENTIAL INDUSTRIAL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES VERSUS JUST ASKING FOR THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING OR ACTUALLY YOUR B1 ORDINANCE ACTUALLY ALLOWS FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTION, EVEN IN THAT CASE, FOR CERTAIN INDUSTRIAL USES.

WE THOUGHT IT BEST NOT TO ASK FOR THAT UNLESS WE GO THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

BUT WE ARE LOOKING FOR USERS FOR A FLEX SPACE, AND THE MARKET HAS CHANGED IN SUCH A WAY THAT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TO BUILD A SPEC BUILDING BECAUSE THE USERS THAT ARE LOOKING TO GO INTO THESE SPACES WANT TO GET IN THERE WITHIN JUST A FEW MONTHS.

THEY JUST WANT TO DO THEIR TENANT FIT UP.

AND IF YOU CAN'T SUPPLY THAT, THEN THEY MOVE ON TO THE NEXT LOCATION.

AND THERE WAS A REFERENCE TO THE PORT AUTHORITY THAT HAS PROVIDED FOR A SPECIFIC SUPPORT OF THIS, BECAUSE AS PART OF THEIR MISSION, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR ABILITY TO BRING IN CERTAIN BUSINESSES THAT WILL HELP SUPPORT THE PORT AS WELL.

AND THIS IS A VERY CRITICAL ASPECT OF THIS.

BUT WHAT USERS ARE LOOKING FOR, AND WITH A 500,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, WE'RE LOOKING AT 1 OR 2 OR MAYBE EVEN THREE POSSIBLE USERS THAT ARE LOOKING FOR CUSTOMIZABLE SPACE THAT IS SCALABLE WITH A FLEXIBILITY AND USES.

AND THE REALITY IS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR MULTI BAY MULTIFUNCTIONAL SPACES THAT PROVIDE FOR RETAIL TYPE USES INVENTORY, LIGHT ASSEMBLY, OFFICE, SUPPLY CHAIN, LOGISTICS. AND I HAVE A LARGE LIST OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN THE MARKET.

THAT'S MY EXAMPLES ON THE RIGHT SIDE THAT YOU SEE THERE THAT ARE IN THE MARKET TODAY LOOKING FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, A FURNITURE ASSEMBLY AND SHOWROOM UP TO 350,000FT² WHERE THE FURNITURE COMES IN AND THEY JUST PUT THEM TOGETHER AS THEY'RE ORDERED AND DELIVER THEM TO CUSTOMERS.

WE HAVE AN ENERGY AND UTILITY TECHNOLOGY.

I JUST FINISHED UP A LEASE ON A VERY SIMILAR FACILITY THAT WOULD FOR RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT FOR A PACKAGING COMPANY THAT IS WELL KNOWN IN THE AREA THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE, AND THEY HAD TO HAVE 200,000 SQUARE FOOT FOR JUST RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT.

AND YOU SEE ALSO AS FOOD AND BEVERAGE, UP TO 100,000FT².

SO, WE'VE PROVIDED A SAMPLE LIST OF PEOPLE THAT ARE OVER 30 USERS THAT ARE IN THE MARKET THAT WOULD NOT FIT INTO THE B1, BUT BECAUSE THE MARKET HAS CHANGED, THEY NEED THAT FLEXIBLE TYPE OF USE THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED.

THERE WAS A REFERENCE TO TRAFFIC.

AGAIN, WE HAVE THE BENEFIT OF HAVING APPLIED FOR AND RECEIVED VDOT REVIEW OF OUR TRAFFIC STUDY TODAY WITH A RETAIL WITH A SHOPPING PLAZA.

WE'RE LOOKING AT OVER 20,000 VEHICLE TRIPS COMING OUT OF THIS SITE.

WITH THIS USE. IN PARTICULAR, THE ESTIMATION IS ABOUT 2700.

AND THAT'S NOT 2700 TRUCKS.

THAT'S EMPLOYEES AS WELL AS TRUCK TRAFFIC THAT WOULD COME IN.

THERE'S OBVIOUSLY TRUCK TRAFFIC WITH RETAIL, BUT THIS WOULD BECOME A LITTLE BIT MORE TRUCK TRAFFIC.

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AND I WANT TO GET BEYOND THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS.

AND WE WILL KNOW THAT WE WILL ADDRESS TRAFFIC FROM A STANDPOINT OF OUR ZONING CASE.

I CAN'T ADDRESS IT NOW THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT WE DO KNOW WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT.

FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE DID THE REZONING AND I DID THE REZONING ON THE ROLLS-ROYCE CASE, WE ACTUALLY PUT A PROFFER IN THERE THAT LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC BASED ON THE TYPE OF USES. AND IT'S A PROFIT CONDITION THAT CAN BE THAT CAN BE ENFORCED.

SO AS THE USES CHANGE, WE CAN'T EXCEED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND CERTAIN TYPE OF USES ON A SQUARE FOOTAGE BASIS BASED ON THAT TRAFFIC.

I CAN'T PROFFER THAT TODAY UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT WHEN I DO MY REZONING, I CAN PROVIDE THAT PROFFERED CONDITION.

THERE WAS A REFERENCE TO ECONOMIC IMPACT AND DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IMPACT.

WE'RE ANTICIPATING A SIZE OF THIS FACILITY AND SIMILAR FACILITIES OF OVER 600 JOBS THAT WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE, AND THAT'S NOT EVEN COUNTING THE CONSTRUCTION JOBS THAT GO INTO THIS, BUT OVER 600 JOBS AS WELL.

AS YOU CAN SEE THE ASSESSED VALUE GOING A LITTLE OVER $1 MILLION, GOING UP TO ALMOST $61 MILLION WITH A TAX REVENUE OF A HALF $1 MILLION TO THE COUNTY.

AGAIN, THOSE ARE SIMILAR, SIMILAR PROJECTS THAT HAVE THAT KIND OF IMPACT.

AND FINALLY, I JUST WANTED TO STRESS WITH RESPECT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR.

TODAY IS ONLY THE FIRST STEP.

AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS MADE ABOUT TRAFFIC AND IMPACT ON THE INTERSECTION AT COUNTY DRIVE AND COURTHOUSE ROAD, AND WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE.

AND WE KNOW WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THOSE IN THE ZONING CASE.

I CAN'T ADDRESS THEM TODAY.

RIGHT NOW, THE MARKET SAYS YOU'VE BEEN THERE 30 YEARS WITH RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL, AND WE DON'T FORESEE THAT CHANGING FOR ANOTHER NUMBER OF DECADES.

THAT'S JUST NOT THERE TODAY, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THERE IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.

WHAT THE MARKET IS CALLING FOR IS HEAVY JOBS WITH 600 PLUS JOBS AND GREAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY, BUT BUSINESSES THAT WANT TO COME INTO THIS AREA THAT ARE GOING TO SUPPORT THIS COMMUNITY AS WELL.

SO, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE IMPACTS WHEN WE GET TO THE REZONING.

BUT AS I SAID, WE CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL WE GET TO THAT POINT.

SO, TO REITERATE A COUPLE OF POINTS, IN THE LAST FEW CASES, THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA.

WE'RE SURROUNDED BY A SWAMP AND ROADS.

THERE IS GOING TO BE ULTIMATELY PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER AS PART OF OUR PROPERTY CONDITIONS.

WE ANTICIPATE PRESENTING THAT IF WE WILL HOOK UP TO THE WATER AND SEWER WHEN IT BECOMES AVAILABLE, AND IT WILL BECOME AVAILABLE AS PART OF THE SYSTEMS THAT ARE PLANNED ALREADY FOR THE FROM THE COUNTY FOR PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER, AND THAT WE FEEL LIKE THIS HAS LESS IMPACT THAN THE CURRENT ZONING.

SO THAT WILL ACTUALLY REDUCE THE IMPACT BY ALLOWING FOR THIS TYPE OF USES.

AND WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE THROUGH PROPER CONDITIONS.

AS FAR AS TRAFFIC GOES, SOME OF THE TRAFFIC ISSUES.

SO, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU FOLLOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION.

THIS IS A LITTLE UNUSUAL FROM THAT STANDPOINT WHERE WE'VE ALREADY GOT A ZONING CASE, WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN REVIEWED BY VDOT, WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN REVIEWED BY A LOT OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. WE ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

AND THE MARKET SAYS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AND HAVING LESS IMPACT THAN THE EXISTING ZONING.

THE FINAL COMMENT I WOULD MAKE IS I DON'T THINK THIS IS APPROPRIATE FOR RESIDENTIAL.

I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S OFFERED RESIDENTIAL.

IT'S GIVEN WHERE ITS PROXIMITY IS.

WE DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A VIABLE USE.

SO, WE THINK THIS IS THE BEST USE WITH LESS IMPACT AND IMPACTS THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED.

WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS.

QUESTIONS OKAY.

QUESTIONS? NO, SIR.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

MR. GREAVES, ANY FINAL COMMENT? NO MORE COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT.

ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT ON CPA 23-04 REQUEST TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR FUTURE USE AND THE AREA BEHIND WHERE THE SCHOOL WAS ON COURTHOUSE ROAD NEAR 460.

ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT? COME FORWARD.

YES, SIR. HOW ARE YOU DOING, NEIL PATEL? I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.

8901 BROOK ROAD IS OUR ADDRESS.

RICHMOND, VIRGINIA.

2006. OH, OKAY.

I'D LIKE TO, MR. CONLON SAID. WE'VE HELD THIS PROPERTY WELL OVER 15 YEARS AND WE'VE VETTED OUT SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES.

NONE OF THEM WERE SHOPPING CENTERS OR ANY OF THAT KIND.

WE FEEL THAT THIS IS THE BEST OPTION FOR THE COUNTY, ESPECIALLY WITH ROLLS-ROYCE AND OTHER WAREHOUSES IN THAT VICINITY.

WE FEEL THAT THIS IS A GOOD AND A GOOD FIT AND A TIMELY FIT IN THE MARKET AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.

AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, OTHER COUNTIES I.E.

HANOVER, THEY'VE BEEN INUNDATED WITH A LOT OF WAREHOUSES VERY WELL.

I BELIEVE THAT PRINCE GEORGE CAN PIGGYBACK ON THAT AND BENEFIT FROM THIS BUILDING AS WELL.

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OKAY. THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ANYBODY? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

THANK YOU. SO, DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PUBLIC HEARING ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO REQUEST A PLAN OF FUTURE LAND USE? SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NO ONE.

MRS. KNOTT SIGNED UP FOR IT.

YES, SIR. OKAY.

SEEING NO ONE COMING FORWARD, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE BOARD.

IS THERE ANY BOARD MEMBER HAVE ANY COMMENT OR RECOMMENDATION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE TO DENY THE REQUEST TO CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR TAX MAP NUMBERS 340-00-007-D AND 340-00-007-E FROM COMMERCIAL TO COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL.

BECAUSE ADDING INDUSTRIAL USES TO THE EXISTING BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL.

USES IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND BECAUSE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALREADY CONTAINS SUFFICIENT DESIGNATIONS FOR INDUSTRIAL USE.

IS OUR MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND, SIR.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

NUMBER FOUR.

THE AMERICAN LEGION POST 1703 LEASE RENEWAL.

MR. CHAIRMAN? YES. THIS MATTER COMES BEFORE YOU AS LEGALLY REQUIRED.

WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ANY TIME THE BOARD DISPOSES OF PROPERTY THAT IS PUBLICLY HELD.

AND THE REQUEST.

ON BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN LEGION, IS TO RENEW THE LEASE THAT THEY HAVE HAD FOR THE PROPERTY.

OKAY. SO, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, IS IT NOT? YES, SIR. SO, IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO, ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST RENEWING THE LEASE OF THE AMERICAN LEGION AT THE CWC, COME FORWARD AND SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST IT.

GOOD EVENING, GOOD EVENING, GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME. FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR EVEN GIVING ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP HERE AND SPEAK.

MY NAME IS MABEL FERRIS.

ADDRESS 3900 DOE RUN ROAD, PRINCE GEORGE, VIRGINIA.

AND I AM THE COMMANDER OF THE AMERICAN LEGION POST 1703 HERE IN PRINCE GEORGE.

IN CASE ANYBODY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS AN AMERICAN LEGION HERE IN PRINCE GEORGE, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE ARE HERE, AND WE ARE HERE FOR YOU.

I KNOW THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE SOME VETERANS THAT ARE IN IN HERE NOW.

I HAVE SOME BROCHURES.

IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED IN JOINING OUR POST.

WE'RE ALWAYS HAPPY TO GET NEW MEMBERS.

AND I JUST WANTED TO.

LET THE BOARD KNOW SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN UP TO AND THE THINGS THAT WE BRING TO THE COMMUNITY.

WE ARE A PART OF THE LARGEST VETERAN'S ORGANIZATION IN THE WORLD.

THERE IS AN AMERICAN LEGION POST IN EVERY COUNTRY THAT THE UNITED STATES IS INVOLVED IN.

WE ARE THE ONLY VETERAN'S ORGANIZATION WHO REPORTS TO CONGRESS EVERY YEAR IN REFERENCE TO THE THINGS THAT WE DO FOR VETERANS AND THE COMMUNITY.

OUR PROGRAMS ARE TO TEACH OUR YOUTH AND YOUNG ADULTS ABOUT AMERICANISM AND THE IMPORTANCE OF PATRIOTISM. AND WE DO A LOT OF SERVICES FOR THE VETERANS THAT HELPS THE VETERANS NOT HAVE TO COME OUT OF THEIR POCKET FOR THE

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AS AN ACCREDITED SERVICE OFFICER, MYSELF, I COULD CHARGE VETERANS FOR THE WORK THAT I DO FOR VETERANS CLAIMS. IF IT'S NOT AN INITIAL CLAIM, IF IT'S AN INITIAL CLAIM, WE DO IT FOR FREE.

BUT ONCE THE FREE SERVICE IS DONE, WHEN A VETERAN COMES BACK TO US AND THEY WANT TO TRY TO GET AN UPGRADE OR INCREASES IN ANY OF THEIR VETERAN'S RATINGS FOR THEIR DISABILITIES, A SERVICE OFFICER THAT IS ACCREDITED CAN THEN CHARGE.

WE DON'T CHARGE, AND I WON'T CHARGE VETERANS WHO COME TO US TO GET SERVICES BECAUSE I ENJOY WHAT I DO.

I KNOW THAT THE VETERANS DESERVE EVERYTHING THAT THEY GET AND THEN SOME.

SO, WE KNOW THAT PRINCE GEORGE IS A VERY VETERAN, FRIENDLY COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF VETERANS THAT ARE IN THE PRINCE GEORGE'S AREA.

AND WE JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION.

SO, ALL THE THINGS THAT WE DO FOR THE COMMUNITY, THE VETERAN'S SPOUSES, ALL OF THE ABOVE, WE DO IT FROM DONATIONS AND FUNDRAISERS.

THAT ALLOWS US TO CONTINUE TO DO THE THINGS THAT WE DO FOR THE VETERANS AND THE COMMUNITY.

I DO HAVE, WHICH I CAN SEND TO YOU A REPORT.

LIKE I SAID, WE REPORT EVERY YEAR ON THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE TO THE VETERANS.

WE'VE DONE.

OVER 30 CLAIMS LAST YEAR.

WE DID. WE GIVE OUT FUNDS FOR EMERGENCY AID, FOR TEMPORARY FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO FAMILIES THAT HAVE CHILDREN IN THE HOME AND CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY THEIR RENT, DIFFERENT BILLS.

WE HELP THEM WITH THAT.

SO, I JUST WANT PRINCE GEORGE TO KNOW THAT WE ARE I FEEL, A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE COMMUNITY, AND WE ARE GLAD TO BE IN THE COMMUNITY AND HAPPY THAT YOU ALL HAVE GIVEN US THE SPACE THAT WE NEEDED TO PERFORM OUR BUSINESS TO HELP VETERANS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR INFORMATION.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. ARE THERE OTHERS THAT WANT TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST? THE AMERICAN LEGION POST 1703 LEASE RENEWAL.

WELL. GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING, MA'AM. GOOD EVENING, MA'AM.

COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

I KNOW YOU ALL ARE TIRED.

YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR ALL THE RAMBLING ON, BUT I AM DR.

LEON LEE. MY RESIDENCE IS 6457 BLAIR COURT, PRINCE GEORGE.

I AM THE FINANCE OFFICER AT THE POST 1703.

DO YOU KNOW THE SIGNIFICANCE OF 1703? YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT.

BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE RECOGNIZED IN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN PRINCE GEORGE WAS ESTABLISHED.

EXACTLY. UH HUH.

OH. YOU WERE. I'M SORRY.

I'M SORRY.

I SHOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU A CHANCE.

BUT WE ARE VERY APPRECIATIVE FOR YOU ALLOWING US TO UTILIZE THE SPACE AND TRUST US THAT WE WILL USE IT TO THE BENEFIT OF THE COUNTY.

NOT ONLY ARE WE WORKING WITH THE VETERANS, BUT WE ALSO WORK WITH ACTIVE DUTY.

WE ALSO WORK WITH RESERVISTS AND GUARDSMEN AND THEIR FAMILIES.

SO, CONSIDER WHAT IT IS THAT WE DO FOR YOU AND OUR NEW VETERANS.

YES. JOIN US.

WE HAVE THE APPLICATION HERE WITH US TONIGHT.

I APPRECIATE IT, I'M IN TOO MANY COMMITTEES AND STUFF.

WELL, YOU CAN'T SAY I DIDN'T OFFER.

I DID OFFER, YES, BUT WE DO APPRECIATE YOU ALL FOR ALLOWING US.

AND WE THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

MA'AM. WELL THANK YOU.

YEAH. YEAH.

OH, AND I'M FOR.

YES. OH, YEAH. WE GOT THAT FAR.

YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS MAURICE STOVER.

I RESIDE IN HANOVER COUNTY.

OKAY, OKAY. I'D LIKE TO TELL YOU; THIS HAS DONE A LOT FOR ME.

I LOVE COMING DOWN HERE.

I PASSED MANY A POST ON MY WAY, BUT I KNOW THEIR MISSION, AND I BELIEVE IN THEIR MISSION, SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS.

BECAUSE ANYTHING I CAN DO TO HELP THIS COMMUNITY.

BECAUSE ONE TIME I DID LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY IN PRINCE GEORGE, OKAY, I'M IN FAVOR OF IT.

AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL AGREE THAT AND LET US STAY THERE.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

YES, SIR.

GOOD EVENING. ALFRED WILLIAMS 11628 CENTENNIAL ROAD, PRINCE GEORGE, VIRGINIA.

YES. BEEN A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY SINCE 2002.

I STARTED OFF AT FORT LEE.

MOVED OUT IN COMMUNITY IN 2005.

SO GLAD TO BE HERE AND NEXT MONTH IT'LL BE THE LONGEST PLACE I'VE EVER BEEN IN MY LIFE.

SO, I AM A VIRGINIAN NOW.

RIGHT. WELL, WE'RE GLAD.

I AM A CURRENTLY WORKING AS A HOUSING CHIEF ON FORT GREG ADAMS.

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THE HEAD COACH FOR OUR STATE CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM OUT OF PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY LAST YEAR, AND A MEMBER OF OUR GREAT AMERICAN LEGION TEAM.

OUR EFFORTS OUT HERE IN THE COMMUNITY ARE JUST GREAT.

IT'S WONDERFUL TO SEE OUR TEAM MEMBERS GO OUT AND ENGAGE WITH JUST SO MANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE THINGS THAT WE DO WHEN WE'RE OUT THERE DOING OUR WORK IN THE FACILITY THAT YOU HAVE PROVIDED.

IT'S GREAT TO SEE FOLKS COME DOWN THE HALLWAY, ASK US WHAT WE DO, YOU KNOW, GET ENGAGED WITH US AND SEE HOW WE CAN HELP.

IT'S JUST A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO VOLUNTEER TO GIVE BACK.

AND WE JUST THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT DOWN IN OUR CENTER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. FACILITY IS OPEN EVERY DAY.

ALL RIGHT. I WILL LEAD OUT ONTO MY SERVICE OFFICER.

I'M A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE STILL, SO I WORK EVERY DAY.

ANSWER. YES, SIR.

OKAY. MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

ABOUT EVERY DAY IN THE WEEK.

I COME IN TUESDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

YES, SIR. OKAY.

THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU, SIR.

ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST.

ALL RIGHT, SEEING NO ONE ELSE.

HE'S COMING. HE'S COMING, HE'S COMING.

GOOD AFTERNOON. I APOLOGIZE.

TRIED TO CUT YOU OUT.

YES, SIR. MY NAME IS THOMAS COLQUITT, AND I'M FROM DC, DINWIDDIE COUNTY.

OKAY. AND I'M PART OF 1703.

AND I CAN'T EXPLAIN ENOUGH THAT WHAT WE'VE DONE THROUGHOUT THE TIME WE'VE BEEN HERE, AND I MEAN, ALL ACROSS THE SCHOOL, EVERYTHING WE DO IS ABOUT THE COUNTY.

IT'S ABOUT THE INDIVIDUALS THAT MAKE THIS COUNTY.

AND I'M ALL FOR IT.

IF WE CAN DO IT, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT GO FORWARD.

THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR.

SIR, EVEN IF YOU ARE FROM DC.

WE'LL ACCEPT THAT, SIR.

WANT TO KEEP MESSING UP INTERSTATE 85? WELL, WE DO.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

I'M SORRY. DOES ANYBODY ELSE.

CAN ANYBODY OUT? IF THERE'S NO ONE ELSE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE BOARD FOR ANY COMMENTS.

MR. CHAIRMAN. YES, SIR.

I JUST WANT TO SAY, FIRST OF ALL, WITH THE AMERICAN LEGION, WHAT YOU DO HERE IN THIS COUNTY AND WHAT YOU DO OVER EVERYWHERE IS, IS A TESTAMENT TO YOUR ORGANIZATION.

WE ARE PROUD TO HAVE YOU AT THE CWC FOR ALL THE CENTRAL WELLNESS CENTER FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW, AND THE WORK THAT YOU DO IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I'M IN ORDER, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS, I WOULD SO MOVE THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THE RENEWAL OF THEIR LEASE CONTRACT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND. SECOND.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? WAYMACK. AND MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY THAT THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE A LEASE WITH AMERICAN LEGION POST 1703 TO LEASE THE ROOM IN THE CENTRAL WELLNESS CENTER FOR THE SUM OF $1,827 PER YEAR, FOR A TERM OF ONE YEAR, WITH THE OPTION OF A ONE-YEAR RENEWAL.

OKAY, SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE MOTION.

YOUR SECOND IS STILL GOOD, WAYMACK.

YES. OKAY WITH THAT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS? NO, SIR. HEARING NONE.

WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? OKAY. WE'LL GO BACK TO THE.

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE AND WHAT YOU DO.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK, SIR.

TILL 9:00.

OKAY, SO, GENERAL ORDER OF BUSINESS.

[G. Order of Business]

GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, SIR.

MR. STOKE AND MR. ERARD.

AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, WE ARE UNDER CONTRACT WITH UTILITY SERVICES GROUP.

THEY ARE PERFORMING OUR ARMY OR ADVANCED METERING INFRASTRUCTURE CONTRACT, WHICH INCLUDES TWO COMPONENTS, WHICH IS THE IMPLEMENTATION TO INSTALL ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL AS THE MAINTENANCE COST AS WELL.

THE FIRST STAGE OF THAT CONTRACT REQUIRES A FIELD INVESTIGATION, WHICH WE KNEW THERE WAS GOING TO BE SOME INCONSISTENCIES WITH OUR SCOPE OF WORK VERSUS WHAT WAS ACTUALLY OUT IN THE FIELD. UPON COMPLETION OF THAT FIELD INVESTIGATION, WE'VE IDENTIFIED SEVERAL THINGS THAT NEED TO BE UPDATED IN THE SCOPE OF WORK, INCLUDING THE NUMBER OF METERS.

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WE KNEW THAT WAS GOING TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS MOVING FORWARD.

SO, WE DID INCLUDE A 10% SCOPE IN THE AWARD OF THIS CONTRACT.

SO, WE'VE GOT THE COST COVERED.

BUT THAT COST THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO COVER IS $158,175 FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION COST, AND IT'S AN ADDITIONAL $4,975 FOR THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE FEE.

THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE FEE IS INCREASED BECAUSE WE ARE INCLUDING ADDITIONAL METERS, AS WELL AS THE ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S NEEDED TO BE MAINTAINED.

YOU DO HAVE A COPY AT YOUR DESK OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT, WHICH OUTLINES THOSE ADDITIONAL COSTS AS WELL AS THE BREAKDOWN OF HOW MANY NEW WATER METERS, THE NEW LIDS, THE POLES THEMSELVES, AS WELL AS SOME CREDITS THEY'VE ALSO ISSUED IN THIS FIRST AMENDMENT. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ON THE SCOPE OF WORK, BUT WE DO RECOMMEND THAT THE BOARD APPROVE THE RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HOLT? NO. IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO PASS THE RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED.

I'M SORRY, MISTER CHAIRMAN.

OKAY, IF YOU'RE READY.

YOU GOT IT. YOU GOT IT BACK.

OKAY. MISTER CARMICHAEL MADE THE MOTION.

I'LL SECOND. IT WAS SECONDED BY MR. BROWN. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

ALL RIGHT. NEXT, WE HAVE A AUTHORITY TO ADVERTISE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR AN EXEMPTION TO THE COUNTY ORDINANCE FOR LEAK ADJUSTMENTS.

YES, SIR. OUR COUNTY ORDINANCE ONLY ALLOWS ONE ADJUSTMENT OVER A 12-MONTH PERIOD.

RIGHT NOW, THE PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY SCHOOLS, ONE OF THEIR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, HAS A PRIVATE LIFT STATION THAT HAS SOME PROBLEMS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

EXCUSE ME. WE'VE THE SCHOOLS HAVE PROVIDED US A LOT OF INFORMATION ON EXCUSE ME.

THEY PROVIDE US SOME INFORMATION ON WHAT THEY HAD TO DO TO PERFORM THOSE MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS ON THAT PUMP STATION WHILE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THAT MAINTENANCE ACTIVITY.

THEY HAD TO DO A PUMP AND HAUL OF ALL THE SEWAGE COMING OUT OF THAT STATION.

SO NONE OF THAT SEWER ACTUALLY CAME INTO OUR PUBLIC SYSTEM FOR US TO CONVEY OR EVEN PAY FOR TREATMENT.

SO THEREFORE, THEY'VE ASKED US TO LOOK AT THIS AS A HOLISTIC EVENT, BECAUSE IT DID HAPPEN OVER TWO DIFFERENT EVENTS, OVER MULTIPLE BILLING PERIODS.

SO WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR TODAY IS TO ADVERTISE A PUBLIC HEARING, SINCE THIS IS AN EXEMPTION TO OUR ORDINANCE TO ALLOW THEM TO RECEIVE A CREDIT OF APPROXIMATELY $1,220 FOR THE AMOUNT OF WASTEWATER THAT DIDN'T ACTUALLY GET INTO OUR WASTEWATER STREAM, OUR WASTEWATER PIPES, EVEN THOUGH THEY DID PAY FOR IT.

OKAY, THERE'S A RESOLUTION INCLUDED TO MAKE THAT ADVERTISEMENT.

WE WOULDN'T WANT THAT TO COME BACK WHEN.

AT THE.

I'M SORRY. THE JANUARY.

THE JANUARY 1ST MEETING IN JANUARY.

FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY.

SO THAT WOULD BE JANUARY THE 9TH.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A REORGANIZATION.

OKAY. SO BACK FOR JANUARY 9TH.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO GO.

I'M SORRY, THE QUESTION.

MR. HOLCOMB, DID THEY FIX THE ISSUE? THE ISSUE HAS BEEN FIXED.

TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, YES, THEY'VE FIXED IT ONCE AND APPARENTLY OCCURRED AGAIN.

BUT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT EVERYTHING IS FIXED AT THIS POINT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. IS THAT THE SAME DATE AS YOURS? ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING, OR IS THAT TO BE THE FIRST REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING? AND MR. HALTOM. JUST FOR THE RECORD, I HAVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL GLADLY HOLD THOSE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT I'M NOT SATISFIED WITH, BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO, IT'S ONE MAN. STILL A GOOD DATE FOR THAT? YES. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO, FOR ONE NINE.

SO, WE HAVE A MOTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I SO MOVE THAT WE AUTHORIZE THIS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WOULD COME BACK TO THIS BOARD ON JANUARY THE 9TH.

RIGHT? JANUARY THE 9TH.

THAT'S IN THE RESOLUTION.

I'M SORRY. 2020, 2024.

AND I'LL SECOND IT.

WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

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GOOD EVENING, SIR.

MR. WEBB. GOOD EVENING.

BOARD. MR. STOKES.

MR. ROD. WHAT I BRING FOR YOU TONIGHT IS A.

THANK YOU.

MY COMPUTER TO COME UP.

AS A RESOLUTION TO AWARD A CONTRACT FOR A GROUND MAINTENANCE GROUND MAINTENANCE CONTRACT.

WE RECEIVED NOTIFICATION FROM HEATON THAT THEY WERE GOING OUT OF BUSINESS AND WOULD NO LONGER BE ABLE TO SERVICE OUR GROUNDS CONTRACT, SO GENERAL SERVICE DEPARTMENT AND FINANCE PUT THIS OUT OF THE IFB WHICH WE RECEIVED SEVEN BIDS FOR.

WHAT WE HAVE HERE TONIGHT IS OAK RIDGE ENTERPRISES WAS THE LOWEST COMPETITIVE BIDDER THAT AT A BID OF $85,200.

THIS BID IS $2,624 HIGHER THAN THE CURRENT BID FROM HEATON.

BUT THIS WILL REALLY HAVE NO FINANCIAL IMPACT TO THE BUDGET BECAUSE WE CAN WE HAVE A PERCENTAGE THAT WE INCREASE EVERY YEAR ANYHOW, SO IT'LL BE COVERED IN OUR 2024 CURRENT BUDGET YEAR.

SO, WE JUST ASK THAT WE ALLOW THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO ENTER INTO THE CONTRACT WITH OAK RIDGE.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? THE ONLY COMMENT I GOT JUST.

PLEASE CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING THEY'RE TELLING YOU THEY'RE DOING.

WE, I MEAN, WE WROTE THE LAST ONES YOU DID.

CORRECT. I KNOW YOU'RE SHORTHANDED SOMETIMES, BUT THEY STAY ON TOP OF ALL THE SEATING AND THE THINGS THAT THEY SAY IN THEIR IN THEIR CONTRACT.

CORRECT. WHICH WOULD BE GREAT.

OKAY. NO QUESTIONS AFTER THAT.

ENTERTAIN. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS.

MOVE TO APPROVE.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

SECOND MOTION IN A SECOND TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED.

ANY QUESTIONS? NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU.

NEXT IS A REVISION TO THE PERSONNEL POLICY.

THIS CORRIE WAS HURT.

HOW ARE YOU, MA'AM? GOOD EVENING.

MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

MR. ERARD.

GOOD EVENING. SO, I'VE GOT A COUPLE REVISIONS TONIGHT FOR THE PERSONNEL POLICIES TO CONSIDER.

THE FIRST ONE IS SECTION 21.1 ENTITLED HOLIDAYS.

AND THAT POLICY IS REQUESTED TO BE REVISED IN PARAGRAPH TWO.

WE'VE DISCUSSED HOLIDAY PAY, WHICH HAS BEEN A THING FOREVER.

I'VE BEEN HERE TEN YEARS. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A THING, BUT IT'S JUST NEVER BEEN OUTLINED IN POLICY.

WHAT HOLIDAY PAY IS, WHO GETS IT.

SO, WE'VE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT TO CLARIFY IN POLICY THAT IT'S A USE OR LOSE ACCRUAL EACH YEAR THAT'S GIVEN TO POLICE OFFICERS, CAREER FIRE AND EMS AND EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS.

THEY EARN IT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, AND THEY EARN IT BECAUSE THEY'RE REQUIRED TO WORK THE HOLIDAYS WHERE MOST OF US ARE NOT.

SO, WE FRONTLOAD THAT TO THEM.

I'VE INCLUDED LANGUAGE IN PARAGRAPH TWO THAT WOULD ALLOW THESE EMPLOYEES, WHO WERE HIRED IN THE LAST QUARTER OF THE CALENDAR YEAR TO CARRY OVER THE HOLIDAY TIME, TO BE USED WITHIN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF THE NEW CALENDAR YEAR.

AND THAT'S PRIMARILY BECAUSE THE STAFF WE HAVE ON HAND HAS ALREADY REQUESTED THEIR VACATION DAYS, AND IT'S VERY HARD TO FLUCTUATE THROUGH THE TRAINING PROCESS FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO GET THAT HOLIDAY REPAY BACK.

SO, THE WAY WE HAVE IT WRITTEN, AND IT IS PER MEMO RIGHT NOW, SO WE'RE TRYING TO PUT IT INTO POLICY, IS TO ALLOW THOSE PEOPLE TO USE IT IN THAT FIRST SIX MONTHS, AND IF THEY DON'T, IT WOULD BE FORFEITED.

PARAGRAPH THREE WOULD STATE THAT A HOLIDAY REPAY IS ELIGIBLE TO BE PAID OUT UPON SEPARATION, AND THAT'S ONLY FOR ANY HOLIDAYS THAT WERE EARNED PRIOR TO THEIR SEPARATION. PARAGRAPH FOUR STATES THAT TO BE PAID THE HOLIDAY LEAVE, AND THIS INCLUDES ANY HOLIDAYS THAT THE EMPLOYEE MUST BE IN A PAID STATUS THE DAY PRECEDING AND THE DAY FOLLOWING THE HOLIDAY.

AND THAT IS PRIMARILY BECAUSE WE ARE EXPERIENCING IT A LOT LATELY, ESPECIALLY THROUGH THANKSGIVING, WHERE WE GET THE RESIGNATION.

WE WERE OFF A HALF A DAY WEDNESDAY AND THEIR RESIGNATION WAS DATED FOR FRIDAY, SO WE NEED TO BE CLEAR THAT THEY NEED TO BE EMPLOYED, ACTIVELY EMPLOYED THE DAY BEFORE AND THE DAY AFTER A HOLIDAY IN ORDER TO RECEIVE THAT.

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QUESTIONS? I'M GOOD.

NO QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MOVE ON TO.

ALL RIGHT. SECTION 8.1 THROUGH 8.9 IS OUR INTOXICANTS AND DRUGS POLICY THAT IS BEING REVISED FOR THE FIRST PURPOSE IS SECTION 8.1 WOULD REMOVE THE VOLUNTEER FIRE AND EMS FROM COUNTY POLICY.

AS THE BOARD MAY RECALL, BACK IN JULY OF 2022, THE ORDINANCE CHANGE, THE GRIEVANCE POLICY CHANGED.

AND IN DOING THE GRIEVANCE POLICY, WHAT WE DID WAS REMOVE THE VOLUNTEERS FROM OUR COUNTY GRIEVANCE AND THEY NOW HAVE THEIR OWN SEPARATE GRIEVANCE WITHIN THE FIRE AND EMS INTERNAL POLICIES. SO, IN DOING THAT, WE'RE TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR POLICIES TO NOT DISCUSS THE VOLUNTEERS WITHIN OUR COUNTY POLICIES BECAUSE THEY NEED TO FOLLOW THE INTERNAL FIRE EMS AND FOLLOW THAT GRIEVANCE IF THERE'S ANY DISCIPLINARY.

THERE ARE CHANGES JUST TO SOME CAPITALIZATION GRAMMAR IN SECTIONS 8.1 THROUGH 8.3 THAT I DON'T REALLY NEED TO HIGHLIGHT.

AND THEN IN 8.4 THERE IS CHANGES TO THE LANGUAGE FROM SAYING SHOULD TO SHALL.

SECTION 8.6 ALSO CHANGES LANGUAGE SO THAT OUR TIMELINES DO NOT APPEAR TO BE OPTIONAL TO THE EMPLOYEES.

IN ADDITION, LANGUAGE IS ADDED TO 8.6 TO SAY IN THE EVENT THAT THE EMPLOYEE, IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH POLICY, HAS TO PAY FOR THE DRUG TEST, THE EMPLOYEE WILL BE REIMBURSED BY THE COUNTY FOR THE COST OF THE TEST.

AND THEN IN SECTION 8.8, THERE'S A CHANGE TO THE LANGUAGE FROM SHOULD TO SHALL, IN REFERENCE TO THE EMPLOYEE BEING CALLED OUT WHEN THEY ARE NOT IN AN ON-CALL STATUS. IF THEY'VE BEEN DRINKING, THEY SHOULD.

THEY SHALL, INSTEAD OF SHOULD, LET THEIR SUPERVISOR KNOW THAT THEY ARE UNABLE TO DRIVE, AND THEY SHALL DECLINE THE CALL OUT, RATHER THAN THAT THEY SHOULD. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE EMPLOYEE HAS TO PAY FOR THE DRUG TEST AND WILL BE REIMBURSED BY THE COUNTY.

IF THE DRUG TEST IS A POSITIVE RESULT, WILL THEY BE REIMBURSED? WELL, THEY WILL BE REIMBURSED BY THE COUNTY.

YES. IF THEY HAVE TO PAY AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE, BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE PAID EITHER WAY.

ALL RIGHT. YOU MAY NOT BE EMPLOYED, BUT THEY'LL BE, I UNDERSTAND.

DIDN'T WANT TO SAY THAT.

BUT YOU SAID IT.

PERFECT. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT POLICY.

QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? NO, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR.

IT'S CLEAN UP. THANK YOU.

YEP, YEP, YEP. THAT'S ALL I GOT.

THE NEXT ONE. ADMINISTRATIVE.

OKAY. I'M SORRY.

JUST IT'S A SEPARATE RESOLUTION BECAUSE WE KNOW YOU HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE FOR THAT ONE TOO.

SEPARATELY, IS THERE A SEPARATE RESOLUTION? YES, SIR. YES.

ALL RIGHT, THEN, LET ME FIND IT.

MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE CHANGES IN THE POLICIES THAT WERE JUST DISCUSSED.

AND I'LL SECOND IT.

I'M GOOD WITH IT.

I JUST COULDN'T FIND IT. BUT.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

AND THE LAST ITEM I HAVE IS ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY.

AND THE REASON THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE RESOLUTIONS IS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE PERSONNEL POLICIES AND THEN WE HAVE THE ADMINISTRATIVE POLICIES.

SO, WE DO LIKE TO KEEP THOSE SEPARATE.

THIS REVISION IS INCLUDED IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY SECTIONS ONE 10.1 THROUGH ONE 10.5 ENTITLED COUNTY VEHICLE.

IT IS BEING REVISED FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES.

AS STATED PREVIOUSLY IN ONE OF THE POLICIES, DUE TO THE VOLUNTEERS BEING REMOVED FROM THE COUNTY'S GRIEVANCE POLICY, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER ONE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO TIDY UP, REMOVE THE VOLUNTEERS AND CREATE THE INTERNAL POLICY.

I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT BOTH OF THESE POLICIES WILL ROLL OUT TOMORROW, SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, AND WILL PRACTICALLY MIRROR EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IN COUNTY POLICY.

BUT IT'S REALLY TO GIVE THE VOLUNTEERS THEIR OWN POLICY AS WELL.

AND THEN IN SECTION ONE 10.2, NUMBER 13, IT REMOVES THE WORD FIRE AND EMS VOLUNTEERS SPECIFICALLY, BUT I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT NO OTHER CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE POLICY IN REFERENCE TO THE WORD VOLUNTEER.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT SECTION ONE 10.5, IT IS ABOUT COUNTY VOLUNTEERS, BUT IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO FIRE AND EMS VOLUNTEERS.

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AND SO WE DO WANT TO KEEP VOLUNTEER WITHIN OUR POLICY TO COVER THOSE VOLUNTEERS.

BUT WE WANT TO REMOVE FIRE AND EMS VOLUNTEERS TO BE IN THEIR INTERNAL POLICIES.

AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.

CLEAR. IT'S STRAIGHTFORWARD.

OKAY. EVERYBODY CLEAR WITH THAT IN MIND.

ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO PASS THAT.

AS PRESENTED.

SO MOVED, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU, MR. BROWN. HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

COMPLETES ALL OF OUR, I THINK WE'RE AT ADJOURNMENT.

THE NEXT MEETING, I THINK, IS DECEMBER 12TH.

12TH. IS THAT RIGHT? YEP. 12. 12.

ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO MY BIRTHDAY.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH.

IN A MOTION TO ADJOURN TO 1212.

SO MOVED. 5:00.

SO MOVED, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY QUESTIONS? CALL THE ROLL.

NO, I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE.

YES, YES.

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