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>> CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER.
[CLOSED SESSION]
IT'S TIME NOW FOR OUR WORK SESSION.>> IN THE WORK SESSION WE HAVE MR. [INAUDIBLE] THE COUNTY ENGINEER TO TALK TO US ABOUT SEVERAL [NOISE] SUGGESTIONS.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS THE BOARD MR. STOKE.
>> [INAUDIBLE] WAIT FOR THEIR PRESENTATION. YOU COME UP.
EARLIER, I PUT SOME PACKET AT YOUR STATIONS.
EACH PACKAGE IN AN ORDER OF THE WORK SESSION.
THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT ITEMS THERE.
ONE IS GOING TO BE THIS FIRST PRESENTATION ON THE ALIGNMENTS FOR THE BLACKWATER GRAVITY LINE THAT WE'RE GOING TO SERVE THE FUTURE WASTEWATER CAPACITY NEEDS FOR THE COUNTY.
[WORK SESSION]
MAKE SURE THEY'RE HERE.I PROVIDE A LOT OF THESE PACKETS THAT YOU JUST RECEIVED FOR THE AUDIENCE AS WELL.
>> A LOT OF THE CONCERNS. SO AS YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY HAS BEEN WORKING AND WE HAVE HIRED A CONSULTANT TO ASSIST US TO DESIGN AND GET THE WORK STARTED FOR OUR GRAVITY TRUNK MAIN AND PUMP STATION AS WELL AS A FORCE MAINE THAT WILL EVENTUALLY CONVEY ALL OF OUR WASTEWATER FLOW TO THE CITY OF HOPEWELL.
AS PART OF THAT DESIGN, WE ARE PLANNING TO DECOMMISSION THE EXISTING PUMP STATION THAT SERVES THE BUSINESS PARK, THAT'S PUMP STATION NUMBER 21.
IT'S ALSO GOING TO INCLUDE ABOUT 16,000 NEW GRAVITY LINE OF 24 AND 36 INCH PIPE.
AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FORCE MAINE AT THIS CHART HAS ALL THE WAY TO THE CITY OF HOPEWELL AND THE PUMP STATION, WILL BE LOCATED ALONG PRINCE GEORGE DRIVE NEAR THE BLACKWATER SWAMP.
LASTLY, WE ALSO INCLUDED IN THIS DESIGN BRANCH LINES THAT WILL GO FROM THAT TRUNK LINE UP TO PUMP STATIONS 1, 2,AND 3.
BUT THE PURPOSE OF DECOMMISSIONING THOSE THREE STATIONS IN THE FUTURE.
IT MAY NOT BE CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF THE BID ITEMS WHEN WE SEND THIS OUT TO BID HERE AND SOMETIME HOPEFULLY IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
IF THE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE, WE'RE ABLE TO GET FUNDING, GO AHEAD AND CONSTRUCTED AS SOON AS WE COULD.
AS WE STARTED THE DESIGN, FIRST STEP IS TO SURVEY THE PROPERTY.
WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR CONSULTANT, WW ASSOCIATES.
THEY SENT OUT LETTERS TO ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT MIGHT BE IMPACTED BY THIS PROJECT AND THIS WAS ONLY SPECIFICALLY FOR THE GRAVITY SEWER LINE THAT'S GOING TO BE ALONG THE BLACKWATER SWAMP.
THAT WOULD ALSO REACH OUT TO PUMP STATION 21 AND PUMP STATIONS 1, 2, AND 3.
WE ONLY SEND LETTERS TO THOSE THAT WE THOUGHT THAT WAS GOING TO IMPACT BASED ON THE ALIGNMENT THAT WE HAD ALREADY CHOSEN.
SEVERAL PROPERTY OWNERS WERE CONCERNED.
THEY REACHED OUT TO MS. WADE MAC AND WE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING ON MARCH 6TH TO ALLOW THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS AND TO LEARN EVEN MORE ABOUT THE PROJECT.
BASED ON THAT MEETING, WE DIDN'T HEAR SOME CONCERNS FROM THEM AND SOME OF THEM BEING THE IMPACTS TO THE FARM ANIMALS, AS WELL AS THE USE OF THEIR LAND.
WE HAD THE CURRENT ALIGNMENT THAT WAS SENT TO THEM IN SOME OF THE FARMLAND THAT THEY COULD POSSIBLY USE OR IF THEY EVER WANTED TO DEVELOP LAND.
WE ARE BISECTING THAT LAND MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO BIND TO DEVELOP.
WE HEARD THEM AND WE CAME UP WITH ANOTHER ALIGNMENT, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU HERE THIS EVENING.
BUT THE ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT, IT WAS SELECTED BY THE COUNTY AND OUR CONSULTANT.
THE IDEA WAS TO REDUCE OUR COSTS TO CONSTRUCT THE PROJECT AND ALSO REDUCING THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF WETLANDS AND THERE'S ALSO THE SWAMP IS SWEPT SOUTH WITH THE STREAM COMING ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
WE ARE VERY MINDFUL OF THAT THERE WILL BE MITIGATION COST.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE YET.
BUT ONCE WE GET THE PLAN'S DESIGN, WE WILL SUBMIT THOSE TO THE CORE AND THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, AND THEY WILL TELL US WHAT MITIGATION IMPACTS WE'RE GOING TO INCUR.
THE NEW ALIGNMENT THAT WE ARE GOING TO SHOW YOU THIS EVENING ALSO IS BASED ON COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WE HAD WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO TRY TO REDUCE THE IMPACTS TO THEIR LAND.
SHOW YOU HOW THEY GOT THERE FIRST.
THIS IS A PAGE OUT OF OUR MASTERPLAN.
IN RED, YOU CAN SEE A LINE COMING ALL THE WAY DOWN.
IF I HAD A POINTER AT POINT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY DO NOT.
THERE'S RED LINE COMES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO A PUMP STATION LOCATED ON PRINCE GEORGE DRIVE RIGHT AT THE COUNTY PROPERTY THAT'S FORMERLY THE ANSTY PROPERTY.
YOU CAN SEE THAT RED LINE COMES UP THE BLACKWATER SWAMP.
IT TURNS LEFT TOWARDS PUMP STATION 21, BUT ALSO TURNS NORTH TOWARDS PUMPS STATIONS 1, 2, AND 3 AND THE DIFFERENT SHADES OF COLOR ARE THERE FOR
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THE EACH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY THAT YOU SEE ARE BASED ON WHAT THE CONSULTANT AT THAT TIME THIS WAS DEVELOPED IN 2014 OF WHAT THEY THOUGHT DEVELOPMENT MIGHT LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE.THOSE COLORS INDICATE THE TIMEFRAME IN WHICH THEY THINK THEY MIGHT DEVELOP.
YOU CAN SEE IN THE LEGEND ON THE FAR RIGHT-HAND SIDE WITH THOSE TIMEFRAMES ARE.
THIS MASTER PLAN IS JUST A CONCEPT.
THERE'S NO REAL INFORMATION PROVIDED.
ONCE WE DECIDE THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD THIS PROJECT, WE GO TO THE NEXT STAGE AND THAT WOULD BE A PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING REPORT.
THIS NEXT SLIDE SHOWS YOU A PAGE FROM THAT PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING REPORT.
WE HIRE DU BARRY TO CONSIDER NOT ONLY THE ROUTE BUT ALSO LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR THE LOCATION OF THE PUMP STATIONS.
YOU CAN SEE TWO PUMPS STATIONS LOCATED HERE, ONE IS IN THE ORIGINAL LOCATION WHERE WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH WHICH IS A LONG PRINCE GEORGE DRIVE, AND THE OTHER IS INTERNAL TO THE BUSINESS PARK.
WE DECIDED TO KEEP THE ORIGINAL LOCATION SIMPLY BECAUSE IT MADE THE COST SIGNIFICANTLY MORE FOR THE PUMP STATION ITSELF.
WE HAD TO KEEP THE GRAVITY SEWERS MUCH MUCH DEEPER TO BE ABLE TO TO TIE HIM PUMP STATION 3, WHICH HAD BEEN ESSENTIALLY GOING UPHILL TO GET TO THE PUMP STATION.
THIS IS MORE COST-EFFECTIVE AND SENSE OF IDENTIFYING THE LOCATION OF THE PUMP STATION.
ON THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE AS YOU GET UP TO THAT ALTERNATIVE LOCATION WHERE THE PUMP STATION IS, IT CROSSES THE BLACKWATER SWAMP GOING NORTH TOWARDS LOWER SPRING DRIVE OR LOWER SPRING ROAD.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT BRANCHES OFF THE PUMP STATIONS 1 AND 2.
IT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THIS PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING PORT IS ONE OF THE POTENTIAL ROUTES AND MOST COST-EFFECTIVE ROUTE FOR TYING THOSE TWO STATIONS.
I PROVIDED THIS SLIDE IS SIMPLY TO SHOW THIS IS A POSSIBLE ROUTE OF THE FORCE MAINE.
WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE GRAVITY LINE, BUT WE WILL BE BACK HERE AGAIN EVENTUALLY TO TALK ABOUT THE ALIGNMENT OF THE FORCE MAINE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE IMPACTS TO PERSONAL PROPERTY AS WELL.
RIGHT NOW THIS IS SHOWING, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE ONLY CONCENTRATING ON THE DRIVE LINE, THERE WILL BE IN THE SAME AREA OF POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO THOSE SAME PROPERTIES WITH THE FORCE MAINE LOCATION AS WELL.
WE STILL ARE IN THE DISCUSSION PHASES WITH THE CONSULTANT ENGINEER, DETERMINE WHAT THAT ROUTE MAYBE.
BUT WE WILL REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AND HAVE ANOTHER MEETING BEFORE WE PROCEED.
FINALLY, I WANTED TO SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT WHAT WAS SHOWN TO THE HOMEOWNERS.
THIS MAP JUST TO GET YOU ACCLIMATED, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, THAT RED SHADED AREA IS THE BLACKWATER SWAMP, BUT MORE SPECIFICALLY IS THE FEMA FLOOD AREA.
THAT IS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE 100-YEAR FLOODPLAIN.
THAT'S THE AREA THAT WE TRY TO STAY OUT OF WITH ANY TYPE OF GRAVITY SEWER.
WE DON'T WANT ANY WATER ENTERING INTO THE GRAVITY SEWER CREATE MORE IMPACTS TO THE PUMP STATION AND ULTIMATELY TO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IN HOPEWELL.
THEY COST US MORE MONEY TO MORE FLOW WE'RE SENDING TO THEM, THE MORE WE'RE LOCATED IN THAT FLOODPLAIN, THE MORE POTENTIAL THERE IS FOR INFILTRATION TO GET INTO THE SEWER.
WE TRY OUR BEST TO AVOID THE FLOODPLAIN.
FINALLY, ON HERE YOU CAN SEE SOME GREEN AND CROSSHATCHING.
WE WILL HAVE SOME IMPACTS ON THE WETLANDS, BUT WE TRY TO ELIMINATE OR TO REDUCE THAT AS TOO, AS MUCH AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE TO AVOID ANY TYPE OF MITIGATION COSTS.
THIS RED LINE IS THE LINE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY SHOWN TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS AS WHERE WE ARE ANTICIPATING THE ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT.
THIS IS WHAT WAS SHOWN TO THEM AND THEY'RE BAILING.
RIGHT NOW AFTER THAT MEETING, WE CAME UP WITH A SECONDARY ALIGNMENT OR WHAT WE CALL A MODIFIED ALIGNMENT, WHICH IS SHOWN HERE IN YELLOW.
YOU CAN SEE THE RED LINE AS YOU LEAVE PUMP STATION NUMBER 1, IT DOES CROSS SOME OF THE FARMLAND.
YOU CAN SEE NOW WE'VE PUSHED THAT DOWN TO FOLLOW THE FLOODPLAIN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND PUSH IT DOWN TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO AREAS THAT THEY POTENTIALLY COULD [NOISE] USE.
OTHER AREAS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WHERE WE'RE TRYING NOT TO BISECT THEIR PROPERTY AS BEST AS WE CAN AND STILL AVOID THE 100-YEAR FLOODPLAIN.
ALSO HERE YOU CAN SEE WE'RE CROSSING THE BLACKWATER SWAMP HAS BECOME A PUMP STATION 2 WE'VE TURNED A LITTLE BIT SHARPLY INSTEAD OF TAKING IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN.
TO AVOID A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PROPERTIES AS WELL.
WHERE WE COULD AVOID PROPERTIES, WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO DO SO.
THE ALTERNATIVE ALIGNMENT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THIS GREEN LINE HERE.
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A FORMER STUDY WAS TO SHOW HOW WE WOULD TIE INTO PUMP STATION NUMBER 1.THIS DOES IS OPTION AND IS MORE COSTLY.
I'LL GET INTO THAT A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICALLY IN JUST A MINUTE.
BUT IT DOES HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL CROSSING OF THE BLACKWATER SWAMP WHERE IT'S NOT ONLY RIGHT NEAR WHERE THE TRUNK MAINE IS, BUT ALSO AS IT COMES UP IN CROSSES THE SWAMP ITSELF.
IT'S TWO CROSSINGS THERE, BUT ONLY ONE ADDITIONAL CROSSING.
WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID AS BEST AS POSSIBLE.
THIS IS ABOUT 1,500 MORE FEET AND THE REASON WHY IT DOESN'T LOOK AS MUCH AS WE'RE TAKING THAT FROM WHERE WE TIE INTO PUMP STATION 2.
AS WE GET THE PUMP STATION 2 WHERE IT BRANCHES OFF TO GO TO ONE IS THE SHORTEST DISTANCE TO GET TO ONE, IF WE HAD TO COME ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE TRUNK MAIN GO-TO ONE IT ADDS AN ADDITIONAL 1,500 FEET.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT BEFORE I MOVE FORWARD?
>> EVERY STEP IS ON THIS FRAME.
>> THAT HAS NOT BEEN DEFINED AT THIS POINT.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE ASSUMING EVERYTHING FLOWS DOWNHILL ON THE BLACKWATER SWAMP.
OUR CONSULTANT ENGINEER IS LOOKING AT THE CONTOUR ELEVATIONS AS BEST AS THEY CAN, BUT AT THIS POINT, NOTHING HAS BEEN DETERMINED AS FAR AS DEPTH.
THAT FINAL DEPTH WOULD BE DETERMINED ONCE WE GET OUT THERE AND DO A SURVEY AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE GROUND ELEVATIONS ARE AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT THE FINAL DEPTH OF THE PUMP STATION, WHICH WILL DICTATE THE DEPTH OF THE GRAVITY LINE.
>> YOU'RE PUMPING UPHILL ON ONE SPOT NOW IT COULD BE SIGNIFICANT IN ONE AREA.
>> BUT WE'RE NOT PUMPING UP HILL AT ALL NOW.
THAT'S WHY WE MOVED THE PUMP STATION BACK DOWN TO PRINCE GEORGE DRIVE.
THE ONLY TIME IT HAD BEEN PUMPED UPHILL AS WE MOVED IT.
THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE BY DU BARRY WAS TO LOCATE THE PUMP STATION WHERE PUMP STATION 2 TIES AND WHERE IT CROSSES THE SWAMP.
YOU SEE WHERE THAT YELLOW LINE TIES IN WITH THE RED LINE? THAT WAS THE ALTERNATE LOCATION OF THE PUMP STATION, WHICH WOULD HAVE REQUIRE PUMP STATION 3 LOCATED OVER BY THE SCHOOL TO PUMP ALL THE WAY BACK UP HILL TO THAT LOCATION OR PUSHED TO GRAB YOUR LINES SO DEEP THE GRAVITY FLOW IN.
>> DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF HOW MANY RESIDENTS IN THE INITIAL PLAN WOULD BE AFFECTED VERSUS THE ALTERNATIVE? DO YOU HAVE THAT NUMBER YET OR IT'S EARLY?
>> I CAN GET YOU THAT NUMBER IS NOT HARD TO FIGURE OUT, BUT I DIDN'T COUNT THAT BEFORE I CAME IN HERE.
BUT I CAN SAY THERE'S THREE PROPERTIES THAT WE AVOIDED SPECIFICALLY.
THERE'S THREE LESS PROPERTIES WITH THE ALTERNATIVE, EXCUSE ME, WITH THE MODIFIED ALIGNMENT, WITH THE GREEN ALIGNMENT, WE ARE ESSENTIALLY AVOIDING ALL THOSE PROPERTIES THAT HAD SOME CONCERNS.
>> BECAUSE YOU WENT ON THE FAR SIDE OF THE SWAMP.
>> CORRECT. TO FINISH UP. YES, MA'AM.
>> DOES THE COMPOUND OF ENGINEERS ALLOW ME TO CROSS THE SWAMP LINE THERE?.
>> YES, MA'AM. THERE WILL BE MITIGATION COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, BUT THEY WOULD ALLOW A CROSSING THERE.
IT'S JUST WE WOULD HAVE STRINGENT DESIGN DETAILS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IN THIS CASE, WILL BE A STEEL CASING, THE CROSS THE ENTIRE SWAMP.
THAT'S GOING TO SHOW UP HERE IN THE COST ESTIMATE HERE AS WELL.
ANYTIME YOU CROSS AN IMPACT LIKE THAT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO WATER GETTING IN ANY WAY, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF ENCASEMENT AROUND THE SEWER TO ENSURE THAT SEWER DOES NOT GET INTO THE SWAMP.
YOU DON'T WANT THE SEWER TO GET INTO THE SWAMP, NOR DO YOU WANT THE SEWER TO GET INTO THE WATER?
>> NO, THE WATER GETTING INTO THE [OVERLAPPING] SEWER.
ABSOLUTELY. ANOTHER PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY WAS AN ALTERNATE ROUTE TO PUMP STATION NUMBER 2, I WOULD ONLY CONSIDER THIS AN OPTION IF WE CHOSE THE GREEN ALIGNMENT IN LIEU OF THE MODIFIED ALIGNMENT.
THAT'S THIS BLUE LINE THAT YOU SEE HERE NOW ON THE SCREEN, WHICH GIVES YOU A MORE AND THE LENGTH OF A PIPE TO PUMPS, STAGE 2 DOESN'T CHANGE, BUT IT DOES ALLOW US TO FOLLOW SOME EXISTING GRAVEL PATHWAY.
IT DOES HAVE MORE PROXIMITY TO EXISTING HOMES THAT IS NOT DESIRABLE DURING CONSTRUCTION.
BUT AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE IS CONCERNED, HAVING ON A PAVED OR GRAVEL SURFACE MAKES IT MUCH MORE DESIRABLE TO MAINTAIN SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD CONSIDER.
MOVING FORWARD. WE LOOKED AT THE ALTERNATIVES HERE AND OBVIOUSLY THE FIRST THING WE LOOK AT IS COSTS.
ONE SHOWS THE COST OF THE PREFERRED ALIGNMENT AND THE OTHER ONE SHOWS THE COST OF THE ALTERNATIVE ALIGNMENT, WHICH IS THE GREEN LINE.
YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN COSTS ARE BOILED DOWN TO THE LINEAR FEET, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY ABOUT 1,200 MORE FEET OF GRAVITY LINE AND 300 MORE FEET OF THAT STEEL ENCASEMENT THAT NEEDS TO GO INTO THE TOTAL ABOUT 1,500 FEET.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEXT PAGE, YOU CAN SEE THAT ADDITIONAL COSTS ABOUT $330,000 MORE TO FOLLOW THAT ALTERNATIVE ALIGNMENT.
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THEN JUST LOOKING AT THE REST OF THEM.THE OTHER PROS AND CONS, FOR EACH ALIGNMENT.
I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED THE COST FOR THE ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT AND IT ALSO REDUCES THAT STREAM CROSSING, THEREFORE COULD WELL AVOIDS SOME MITIGATION COSTS BY NOT HAVING THAT ADDITIONAL CROSSING.
OBVIOUSLY, THE LEAST AMOUNT OF CROSSINGS YOU HAVE, THE EASIER IT IS TO MAINTAIN THAT LINE IN THE FUTURE.
LOOKING AT THE ONLY CON RIGHT NOW IS DOES IMPACT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES I'M SURE THERE, WHICH ESSENTIALLY WE ARE IMPACTING THEIR PERSONAL PROPERTY AND THEIR ABILITY TO USE IT TO THEIR FULL DESIRES.
WE WOULD NEED EASEMENTS ACROSS THESE PROPERTIES AND WE HAVE IT IN CERTAIN CASES MAY HAVE THE NEED TO USE THEM TO DOMAIN TO PROCEED.
ALIGNMENT NUMBER 2, THE ALTERNATIVE ALIGNMENT, AND THIS IS ALL BASED OFF THEIR COMMUNICATIONS, BUT THE ACTUAL ALIGNMENT IS BASED ON THE COMMUNICATIONS, BUT THE PROS AND CONS KEEPS THE MAJORITY THAT WORK ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THE SWAMP.
THERE WILL BE NO IMPACTS TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. THAT [NOISE] WRONG.
IF WE EVER DECIDE TO EXTEND THIS TRUNK LINE TO THE OTHER SIDE OF 295.
THAT COULD PRESENT SOME LESS COSTS, BUT IN THIS CASE, THAT WOULD BE DEVELOPER DRIVEN AND THEY WOULD PAY THAT COST.
I'M NOT INTERESTED IN TRYING TO SAVE MONEY FOR THE DEVELOPERS AT THIS TIME WERE TRYING TO SAVE MONEY FOR THE COUNTY, BUT THERE COULD BE A POTENTIAL FOR THAT TO BE EXTENDED IN THE FUTURE TOWARDS COURTHOUSE ROAD UNDERNEATH 295.
BIGGER THAN ALL WILL BE THE DEVELOPMENT DRIVEN.
>> THAT WOULD BE GRAVITY RATHER THAN.
>> YES, SIR. WE WOULDN'T WANT THAT TRUNK LINE AND EXTEND IT AS FAR AS WE CAN TO UTILIZE GRAVITY EVERYWHERE TO ELIMINATE THE NEED OF MORE PUMP STATIONS.
WHAT HAPPENED? OBVIOUSLY, WE LOSE THAT SAVINGS OF $330,000 IF WE CHOOSE THAT ALIGNMENT.
AS THAT [NOISE] MITIGATION CALL, WHICH WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE YET, BUT THEN WE HAVE LESS EASE OF MAINTENANCE.
MAINTENANCE MADE THIS AIN'T GOING TO BE EASY EITHER WAY, BUT IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER WITH THE ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT.
THIS PARTICULAR ALIGNMENT WOULD ALSO NOT SERVE ANY NEW CUSTOMERS.
RIGHT NOW, IF WE KEEP IT ON THE BUSINESS PARK SIDE, ALL THOSE CUSTOMERS ARE ALREADY CONNECTED.
WE HAVE REDUNDANCY ON THAT SIDE.
MEANING EVERY COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY HAS NO FUTURE NEEDS TO CONNECT.
IF WE MOVE TO THE OTHER SIDE, THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR GROWTH THERE.
NOW WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE FUTURE EXTENSIONS TO THAT SIDE TO SERVE THOSE FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS, THIS MAKES HAVING ESSENTIALLY TWO SEWER SERVICES ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE SWAMP SO IT'S CREATING REDUNDANCY.
AGAIN, IF DEVELOPMENT DOES OCCUR ON LOWER SPRING AND IT DOES NEED TO BE EXTENDED TO THAT SIDE.
NOW WE'LL HAVE SEWER LINES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE SWAMP IF THAT EVER HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE AND WE DON'T WANT THAT EITHER.
WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE MODIFIED ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT, THAT YELLOW LINE THAT YOU SAW ORIGINALLY.
AGAIN, AS MOST COST-EFFICIENT, PROVIDES FOR FUTURE GROWTH AND ELIMINATES THAT REDUNDANCY.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST REQUESTING CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD OF WHICH DIRECTION TO GO.
WE ARE REFERRING TO PURSUE THE MODIFIED ORIGINAL LINE WHICH IS LOCATED HERE.
LET ME HELP YOU TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> YOU NEED TO ANSWER BY [OVERLAPPING].
>> WE ARE TRYING TO GET THE SURVEY DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SPRING IS HERE AND THE LEAVES ARE OFF THE TREES.
AND THE CHEAPEST, QUICKEST WAY TO GET THE JOB DONE IS AERIAL.
ACTUALLY THEY USE DRONES NOW TO DO THE SURVEYS.
SO THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT OR THE QUICKEST WAY TO DO IT IS THE DRONE METHOD.
BUT ONCE THE LEAVES COME OUT, WE LOSE THAT ABILITY.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE.
>> I'M JUST ASKING JUST FOR MY UNDERSTANDING, DOES RESIDENTS GET COMPENSATED IF YOU GO INTO THEIR LAND TO TAKE FOR THIS?
>> YES, SIR. SO TYPICALLY, THE PROCESS IS ONCE THE SURVEY'S COMPLETE, THEY'LL DO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OR ACREAGE OF THE ACTUAL IMPACTS TO THAT LAND.
THEY'LL TAKE THE ASSESSMENT OF THAT LAND AND THEN WHATEVER THAT ASSESSMENT IS, IT'S WORTH A PERCENT VALUE AND IT'S TYPICALLY ANYWHERE BETWEEN
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10-15% FOR A TEMPORARY EASEMENT AND ABOUT 30% OF A PERMANENT EASEMENT.THE REASON WHY THEY SAY 30% IS BECAUSE YOU'RE KEEPING EVERYTHING UNDERGROUND, THEY STILL HAVE THAT AVAILABLE USE OF THINGS ABOVE GROUND AND TRAVERSE OVER TOP.
BUT THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT ANYTHING PERMANENT OVER TOP OF IT.
SO NO PERMANENT STRUCTURE COULD SIT ON TOP, A NEW HOUSE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THEY COULD HAVE A FENCE LINE, THEY COULD CROSS IT IF NECESSARY.
BUT WE WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO REMOVE THAT FENCE TO GET ACCESS IN CASE OF EMERGENCY.
BUT IF THERE WAS PLANNED MAINTENANCE, WE'D WORK WITH THEM TO REMOVE IT OURSELVES AND REPLACE IT OURSELVES.
THAT'LL BE PART OF THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT.
THEN IF THERE'S ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL IMPACTS TO THE LAND, THEN THOSE THINGS WILL BE CONSIDERED INDIVIDUALLY BASED ON THE ACTUAL IMPACT.
THERE HAVE BEEN CASES WHERE WHEN WE'RE RUNNING PIPELINES, FOR INSTANCE, THE NEW WATER MAIN DOWN ROUTE 460 WHERE WE HAD A POTENTIAL ANYWAYS TO DESTROY A BRICK COLUMNS ALONG THE EDGE OF A DRIVEWAY AS THE WATERLINE WENT IN.
AND SO IF WE TORE IT DOWN, THEN WE WOULD COMPENSATE THEM TO HAVE IT REPLACED.
SO THOSE TYPE OF ITEMS AND ANY OTHER IMPACTS TO FARMLAND IF THERE WAS CROPS THAT WERE BEING DESTROYED AS PART OF THIS, WE WOULD COMPENSATE THEM FOR THE CROP THAT WAS ACTUALLY DESTROYED PER SEASON OF THE CROP.
>> SO YOU'LL ADD THAT NUMBER IN YOUR PRESENTATION BASED ON HOW MANY RESIDENTS WILL BE AFFECTED AND HOW MUCH MONEY YOU THINK YOU HAVE TO PAY THOSE RESIDENTS, VERSUS PLAN NUMBER 1 VERSUS PLAYING NUMBER 2.
[OVERLAPPING] IS GOING TO BE A COST TO US.
>> YEAH, THERE IS DEFINITELY COST THAT WAS WORKED INTO THE BUDGET WITH THIS PROJECT AS FAR AS EVEN ACQUISITION THAT IS BUDGETED IN THE COST.
NOW, IT IS NOT SHOWN IN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ALIGNMENT 1 AND ALIGNMENT 2.
BUT YES, I WAS SAVED FOR THE NUMBER OF PROPERTIES HERE.
YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING LESS THAN $20,000 TOTAL FOR THE IMPACTS FOR ALL THE PROPERTIES FOR THIS MODIFIED ALIGNMENT.
AND I'M SPEAKING TO THE YELLOW LINE AND THE RED LINE GOING TO PUMP STATION 2.
>> AND I'M JUST SPEAKING NOT KNOWING THE RULES OF ALL THIS, BUT IF YOU HAVE TO GO AROUND PEOPLE'S PROPERTY AND IT WOULD COST YOU 350 TO 400,000.
BUT IF YOU WANTED TO STICK WITH THE ORIGINAL PLAN AND GO THROUGH THAT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, IT MAY COST YOU AN EXTRA 150 OR 200,000 TO PAY THE RESIDENTS TO ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT.
OR IS THAT EVEN ON A NEGOTIATION?
OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE COUNTY AND I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, SO THERE'S SO MANY THINGS I CAN'T SPEAK TO, BUT WE TRIED TO DO FAIR MARKET VALUE AND TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH EVERYBODY, REGARDLESS OF HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE'RE GOING.
ONCE THE PATH IS CHOSEN, WE TRIED TO STAY CONSISTENT WITH OUR NEGOTIATIONS SO THAT WE KNOW PROPERTY OWNERS ARE GOING TO TALK.
HOWEVER, WE DID THE WATERLINE FOR ROUTE 460 IS THE SAME WAY WE DID THE WATERLINE FOR ROUTE 156.
SO IT WILL BE THE SAME METHOD THAT WE USE FOR THIS PROJECT AS WELL ONCE THE ALIGNMENTS ARE CHOSEN.
>> SO BASED ON YOUR MEETING AND THE CONCERNS GROWING WITH THE MODIFIED VERSION, THAT ALLEVIATE MOST OF IT. NOT ALL.
>> NOT ALL OF IT. OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE FARM ANIMALS THAT DURING THE INITIAL CONSTRUCTION OR THERE ARE CONCERNS BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS ABOUT THAT, THE NOISE OR THE ACTIVITIES THAT MIGHT DISTURB THE FARM ANIMALS.
THAT'S SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO, I'M NOT A FARMER SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY ARE TRULY IMPACTED.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM AS BEST AS WE CAN ON THE TIMING OF COMING THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THEN TRIED TO UNDERSTAND AS BEST WE CAN TO STAY AWAY FROM THEM WHENEVER POSSIBLE OR WORK WITH THEM TO FIND IF THERE IS OTHER AREAS ON THE FIELD TO GET THEM AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE FROM THAT CONSTRUCTION AREA.
OR IF THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL IMPACT TO WHERE WE HAVE TO MOVE THEM OFF-SITE TO ANOTHER LOCATION DURING THAT TIME PERIOD TO PROTECT THE ANIMALS, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH AS WELL.
>> AND THAT PERSON WOULD CERTAINLY BE COMPENSATED FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] COST OF THE COUNTY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I PERSONALLY WOULD BE LEANING MORE TO THOSE MODIFIED, THE YELLOW LINE.
I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT MR. HOLCOMB AND TEAM
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HAVE TAKEN IN THE CONSIDERATIONS OF OUR RESIDENTS.SO IT DOESN'T COMPLETELY ELIMINATE IT ALL, BUT IT DOES ADDRESS SOME OF IT.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE.
>> SO THE YELLOW LINE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE BLUE LINE OR NO?
>> NO, NOT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE BLUE LINE.
NOW THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE CAN STILL CONSIDER.
BUT AT THIS POINT, WE'RE STILL RECOMMENDING THAT THE RED LINE SHOWN TO GET THE PUMP STATION 2.
>> OKAY. NEXT TO ONE DOWN IN FRONT OF WHISPERING WINDS.
>> AND THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THAT, DOING THAT IS TO ELIMINATE THE PUMP STATION BY HAVING A GRAVITY FIELD.
IS THAT CORRECT? DO I UNDERSTAND THAT?
>> YES, SIR. THESE PUMPS STATIONS 1, 2, AND 3 ALONG LAURA SPRING AND THE ONE UP BY THE COURTHOUSE HERE ARE SOME OF THE THREE OLDEST STATIONS IN THE COUNTY AND IT'S TIME FOR THEM TO BE REPLACED.
PUMP STATION 2 AS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A MILLION TO A MILLION AND HALF DOLLAR COST TO REPLACE THAT STATION BECAUSE IT'S VERY DANGEROUS AS IT IS AND THEY COST US THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS JUST TO GET A PUMP OUT BECAUSE OF THE ACCESSIBILITY OF IT.
>> NUMBER 1 IS THE ONE OVER BEHIND THE BANK. IS THAT CORRECT? CERTAINLY BE AT AN ADVANTAGE TO GET RID OF BOTH OF THOSE.
AND I WAS ASKING COULDN'T ANSWER WHY ARE WE PROPOSING GOING ALL THROUGH THERE AND YOU'RE EXPLAINING IT NOW TO ELIMINATE THOSE PUMP STATIONS AND MAKE THEM ALL GRAVITY FIELD.
PEOPLE CAN'T HOOK TO IT BECAUSE YOU PREFER NOT TO PEOPLE TO HOOK TO.
>> THAT'S OUR NEXT CONVERSATION [LAUGHTER].
>> FORCE VEINS ARE ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT ARE HIGH PRESSURE MEANS A MAJORITY IN THE COUNTY OR HIGH PRESSURE MEANS THAT THERE'S NO AVAILABILITY TO CONNECT.
IT'S NOT RECOMMENDED AND IT'S JUST NOT SAFE FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO CONNECT TO THOSE BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES THAT MIGHT PRESENT THEMSELVES.
AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT SOON TOO.
BUT GRAVITY IS TYPICALLY YOU EXTEND GRAVITY WHERE YOU CAN AND WHERE YOU CAN'T.
YOU HAVE A PUMP STATION TO LIFT IT TO ANOTHER GRAVITY SYSTEM OR TO THE TREATMENT PLAN AND THEN EXTEND GRAVITY AGAIN AS FAR AS YOU CAN.
>> MY CONSTITUENTS ARE ALL TOTALLY AGAINST ALIGNMENT NUMBER 1 AND SO I HAVE TO LISTEN TO WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT.
NOW ALIGNMENT NUMBER 2 MIGHT WORK, THE YELLOW LINE.
THAT'S THE LINE AT NUMBER 2, CORRECT?
>> THAT IS THE MODIFIED ALIGNMENT.
ALIGNMENT NUMBER 2 WOULD BE THE GREEN LINE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THIS LINE.
>> THE YELLOW LINE IS THE ALIGNMENT NUMBER 2 BUT THAT'S NOT PROPOSED BY THE COUNTY?
>>I'M SORRY. THE YELLOW LINE IS WHAT I'M PROPOSING, BUT THAT'S THE MODIFIED OR ORIGINAL.
SO IT'S ALIGNMENT NUMBER 1 JUST SLIGHTLY MODIFIED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS.
AND WHAT THIS REALLY DOES IS IT PUTS IT IN AN AREA THAT REALLY IS NOT BUILDABLE.
AND I FAILED TO MENTION THAT EARLIER, BUT IF THEY DO DECIDE TO EVER DEVELOP THE PROPERTY, THERE'S NOTHING THAT IN THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS BECAUSE OF HOW SATURATED THEY ARE, BECAUSE IT IS SOMEWHAT WET, THEY REALLY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CONSTRUCT IN THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS.
NOW AS FARMLAND, THEY OBVIOUSLY CAN USE THAT AREA NOW FOR WHATEVER PURPOSES.
>> WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS THE YELLOW LINE?
>> DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CHOICES OTHER THAN PRODUCT COSTS.
>>THE COLLECTIVE MODIFIED WHEN THERE WILL BE THE LEAST ADDITIONAL COST.
AND WE'LL DEFINITELY DO SOME POSITIVE THINGS FOR THE LANDOWNERS FAR AS MOVING IT FURTHER AWAY FROM THE DEVELOPED PROPERTY, BACK TOWARDS THE UNBUILDABLE BASICALLY SWAMP.
>> YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE YELLOW LINE?
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>> BECAUSE IT CROSSES THE SCHOOL TWICE.
>> IT DOES HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL CROSSING AND IT'S ABOUT 1,500 FEET MORE.
THOSE TWO COMBINED CREATE THAT ADDITIONAL COST.
>> BUT WE WOULD STILL HAVE THE RED LINE THAT RUNS FROM PUMP STATION TOO AND GOES OVER TO THE LAB.
>> CORRECT. THAT'S THE PIECE THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT. IT'S NOT AVOIDABLE.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A PIECE COMING UP TO PUMP STATION NUMBER 2 AND THE IDEA IS, NOW YOU WILL IMPACT THREE MORE PROPERTIES AFTER THAT POINT TO GET THE PUMP STATION ONE, THAT'S WHY IT'S SO DESIRABLE TO GO THAT DIRECTION.
THAT'S JUST A SHORTCUT ONCE YOU GET TO STATION 2.
>> THE YELLOW LINE IS WHAT EVERYBODY'S LOOKING TO.
THAT'S WHAT ENGINEER IS PROPOSING.
>> I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS AND ALL.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S IMPACTED PROPERTY A COUPLE OF YOUR ORIGINAL CITY, THE AUDIENCE.
>>BUT OVERALL, THERE'S STILL TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
WE HAVE TO HAVE IT EITHER CATCH UP WITH IT, WE'RE WAY BEHIND IT NOW ANYWAY, I WANTED TO DEVELOP A UTILITIES.
>> THAT IN THE EXTREME COST IT'S GOING TO CAUSE TOO, IF WE KEEP THOSE PUMPS STATIONS IN PLACE.
>> WE'RE MAKING SOMETHING A PIECE OR TWO,.
>> LAST ONE WAS LIKE 1.4, 1.8.
>> THESE STATIONS ARE GETTING MORE EXPENSIVE THE LONGER WE WAIT.
>> THAT'S THE CASE WITH ANYTHING.
THESE ARE BEING PAID THROUGH THE UTILITY FUNDS.
THIS WON'T IMPACT TAXPAYERS. THIS RIGHT?
>> YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT PIECE OF IT.
I SEE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE UTILITIES.
>> THEY'RE STILL SETS AS TAXPAYERS.
>> BUSY WAITING ON A CONSENSUS OR IS THIS ON THE AGENDA? NO, THE 7 O'CLOCK
>> JUST TO CONSENSUS IN THE FOOT.
>> FOR CONSENSUS, I THINK YOU PRETTY MUCH HAVE THE CONSENSUS OF THE YELLOW.
>> PERUSE OFF. UNLESS ANYBODY DISAGREES WITH THAT.
>> NO, I DON'T I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER OPTIONS COUNCIL.
>> MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO.
I PUT IT IN YOUR PACKET THERE, IN YOUR HANDOUT PACKET.
THERE'S A SMALL FILE WITH TWO-PAGE FILE SHOULD LOOK LIKE THIS.
TALK ABOUT THE FORCE MAIN CONNECTIONS AND THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO MR. FO POWERS WHO CAME TO THE BOARD THE MARCH 28TH MEETING AND REQUESTED DURING THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTING PERIOD FOR THE COUNTY LOOK INTO HOW TO CONNECT INTO THE FIRTS MAIN ALONG PRINCE GEORGE DRIVE.
IN FRONT OF HIS PROPERTY AT 5108.
IF THIS BOARD SOME OF YOU WHO MAY HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD BACK IN 2018 WHEN WE PROVIDE A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION AT A WORK SESSION PRIOR TO CHANGING THE ORDINANCE.
ORDINANCE DOES RESTRICT CONNECTIONS ON THE UTILITY SYSTEM.
THOSE RESTRICTIONS ARE PRIMARILY ON THE HIGH PRESSURE SYSTEM.
WE DO HAVE FORCE MEANS THAT ARE DESIGNED AS LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM.
THE ENTIRE DISPUTANT AREA THAT WAS BUILT ON A COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANT FOR, EXCUSE ME, THE CITIZENS THAT ARE DOWN THERE SAID THESE SYSTEMS WERE FAILING.
THEY PUT IN A COMMON FORCE, MAINE WHERE EVERYBODY HAS INDIVIDUALIST STATIONS.
BUT THERE IS NO COUNTY PUBLIC STATION THAT HAS LARGER PUMPS THAT PUMP THAT SEWER UP TO THE GRAVITY SYSTEM.
THAT IS A LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S DESIGNED FOR.
IT'S DESIGNED TO HAVE ALL THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA CONNECT TO IT.
WE HAVE A FEW OTHERS IN THE MEADOWS WHERE THE HOMES ARE BUILT IN LOWER AREAS.
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THERE'S ABOUT TEN HOMES OR SO THAT ARE ON A COMMON FORCE MAIN.THEY ALL HAVE PRIVATE LIFT STATIONS THAT RUN ABOUT HALF A MILE DOWN THE ROAD TO THE GRAVITY SYSTEM.
THEY ARE ALL PRIVATE. NOW THAT FORCE MAIN ITSELF IS PUBLIC, WHICH IS NOT TYPICAL, BUT WAS DONE PRIOR TO MY ARRIVAL HERE.
TYPICALLY, THOSE WOULD ALL BE PRIVATE SYSTEMS IN A PRIVATE MAIN.
BUT THE COUNTY STANDARD HAS BEEN PUBLIC FORCE MAIN FOR THE PRIVATE ENTITIES TO HAVE A PRIVATE LIFT STATION.
NOW, IT STATES IN THE AORTA IS NO PRIVATE CONNECTIONS TO A PUBLIC SEWER FORCE MAIN ARE PERMITTED WITHOUT PRIOR APPROVAL FROM THE DIRECTOR, CONNECTS US TO A SEWER FORCE MAIN SHALL ONLY BE MADE THROUGH A PUBLIC PUMP STATION.
THE IDEA HERE IS WHEN WE WROTE THIS WAS FOR THAT PURPOSE ALONE.
PUBLIC PUMP STATIONS ARE MUCH LARGER IN NATURE THAN THOSE SMALL LIFT STATION THAT SERVE INDIVIDUAL HOMES.
SOME OF THESE ARE 20 UP TO 60 HOSE POWER PUMPS.
PUMPING THROUGH LARGE FORCE MEANS 12 INCH FORCE MEANS AND YOU HAVE THESE SMALL LIFT STATIONS THAT THEY'RE SERVING THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, THERE ARE CENTRIFUGAL PUMPS.
IF WE HAVE OUR PUMPS ON AND THEY'RE PUMPS TURNED ON AT THE SAME TIME, THEY'RE NOT GETTING IN.
IT'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT THE PRESSURES AND ENFORCEMENT IS SO HIGH.
THERE ARE PUMPS, WATER IS GOING TO KEEP ON TURNING TO OUR EITHER TURNS OFF OR UNTIL THERE'S AN OVERFLOW IN THE WATER AND SEWER COME OUT OF THERE LIFT STATION JUST FLOW ON THE GROUND.
THAT IS THE REASON WHY THIS ORDINANCE WAS PUT IN PLACE WAS TO ENSURE THAT IF ANY NEW PUMPS STATIONS, ANY CONNECTIONS TO THE FORCE MAIN WERE MADE IS TYPICALLY A PUBLIC STATION.
THAT WOULD REQUIRE ANYBODY WHO'S DOING SOME TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT TO BUILD THAT PUBLIC STATION.
BUT IT WOULD ALLOW STILL FOR US TO APPROVE NEW HOMES AND THE DISPUTED AREA OR NEW HOMES BEING BUILT IN THE MEADOWS THAT WERE DESIGNED AS A LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM.
THAT'S THE REASON WHY THAT CODE IS THERE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] SYSTEM THAT DON'T HAVE ANY FORM OF CHECK VALVE?
>> TYPICALLY, WE REQUIRE A REAL QUICK REVIEW OF THE PRIVATE LIFT STATION TO ENSURE THAT ONE THING IS THERE NOW FOR ALL NEW CONNECTIONS ONTO A PUBLIC FORCE MAIN FOR A PRIVATE HOME, WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A PRESSURE SERVICE CONNECTION AND THAT ALLOWS US TO PUT AN ADDITIONAL CHECK VALVE IN FOR US AND A VALVE ITSELF TO TURN OFF THE SYSTEM SO THAT THEY DO HAVE ISSUES WITH THEIR PUMPS.
THEY CAN PULL THEIR PUMPS OUT, DO ALL THE WORK THEY NEED AND NOT HAVE FLOW COMING BACK ON THEM FROM THE SEWER SYSTEM.
WE DO PUT THOSE IN FOR NEW SYSTEM.
IN FACT, EVERY TIME WE HAVE HAD A COMPLAINT, WE'VE HAD TO GO INSTALL THEM AT OUR COST BECAUSE IT WASN'T INSTALLED IT ORIGINALLY FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO MAINTENANCE ON THEIR OWN STATION.
>> WHAT KIND OF FORCE MAIN DO WE HAVE GOING DOWN COURTHOUSE ROAD TO FORCE 60?
>> THERE'S TWO. WE HAVE BOTH A LOW PRESSURE AND HIGH PRESSURE.
IF YOU START ALL WAY A DISPUTANT AT NORWOOD ROAD.
THAT IS THE LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM THAT SERVES THAT ENTIRE AREA OF QUEEN STREET ALL THE WAY UP TO 460 NEAR THAT FORCE MAIN SYSTEM.
>> ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FOOD LINE
>> ON THE OTHER SIDE OF FOOD LINE AND IT JUST DUMPS INTO WHAT WE CALL PUMP STATION 15 RIGHT THERE AT PRINCE GEORGE DRIVE AND ROUTE 460.
THAT'S WHERE IT BECOMES A PUBLIC SYSTEM.
ONCE IT DUMPS INTO THAT STATION, IT HAS NOW A HIGH PRESSURE SYSTEM GOING UP TOWARDS 295.
FROM THERE, WE WOULD NOT PERMIT ANY OTHER CONNECTIONS TO THAT FORCE MAIN.
>> HOW ABOUT FROM LIKE RIGHT HERE, GOING DOWN COURTHOUSE ROAD TO 460, WHAT IS THAT?
YES, WE HAVE SOME PRIVATE SYSTEMS CONNECTED.
JUST TO ADDRESS MR. POWERS SPECIFICALLY, ON THE SECOND SHEET, WHEN I SPOKE TO MR. POWERS OVER THE PHONE HIS OPTIONS WERE THAT HE WOULD TYPICALLY HAVE TO PUT IN A PRIVATE SYSTEM, PRIVATE LIFTS STATION AND PUMP IT TO OUR PUBLIC GRAVITY SYSTEM, WHICH IS LOCATED IN THIS CASE ON TRAILING ROCK ROAD.
HE WOULD TYPICALLY SAW SMALLEST STATION DEPENDING ON WHAT DEMANDS HE HAS AT WHICH WE'RE NOT CERTAIN OF HIS DEMANDS AT THIS POINT, AND MAYBE UP TO A TWO-INCH LINE TO GET TO THAT LOCATION, THEN HE WOULD HAVE TO OBTAIN EASEMENTS FROM HIS ADJACENT NEIGHBORS TO BE ABLE TO DO SO BECAUSE VDOT WILL NOT ALLOW A PRIVATE LINE AND THE PUBLIC ROADWAY.
UNLESS THERE WERE ADDITIONAL HOMES OR BUSINESSES THAT WANTED TO CONNECT TO THIS LINE, WE WILL NOT TAKE OVER THE MAINTENANCE OF IT FOR ONE PERSON, WHICH HAS BEEN OUR STANDARD.
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WE'D HAVE TO HAVE MULTIPLE CONNECTIONS FOR US TO MAINTAIN A FORCE MAINE TO BE CONSIDERED PUBLIC.OTHERWISE, WE'RE JUST SERVING ONE PERSON.
THE OTHER OPTION HE HAS IS TO EXTEND THE GRAVITY SYSTEM ITSELF ALL INTO HIS PROPERTY.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE COST-EFFECTIVE OPTION FOR HIM, AND IN THIS CASE, HE MAY NOT EVEN HAVE THE ELEVATIONS TO DO SO.
HIS PRIMARY OPTION IS TO INSTALL PRIVATE LIFT STATION AND THE EASEMENTS TIED INTO THE EXISTING PUBLIC SYSTEM ON TRAILING ROCK.
>> HE CAN'T DO A PRIVATE SEWER THERE?
I'M NOT SURE IF HIS CIRCUMSTANCES ARE THAT IT'S FAILED OR HE HAS A HIGHER DEMAND FOR THE BUSINESS THAT MAY REQUIRE, WELL, THAT SEPTIC SYSTEM MAY JUST NOT BE ABLE TO MEET HIS DEMANDS, I'M NOT SURE OF THAT.
BUT HE DOES HAVE AN EXISTING SEPTIC SYSTEM NOW.
>> THIS IS JUST FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES TO LET YOU KNOW HOW WE'VE ADDRESSED HIS CONCERNS.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR IF THERE'S ANY OTHER ITEMS YOU'D LIKE ME TO BRING BACK TO YOU, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO SO.
>> HE BASICALLY HAVE TO GO ACROSS THREE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS.
>> THREE TO FOUR DEPENDING ON THE ROUTE HE TOOK AND YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY LINES THAT ARE HERE.
I PICKED ONE THAT WAS PROBABLY THE MOST DIFFICULT TO OBTAIN INSTEAD OF THE SHORTCUT THROUGH.
BUT IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHO HE'S SPEAKING WITH AND WHO CAN GET EASEMENTS FROM.
THERE IS OPPORTUNITY TO SHORTCUT THERE.
>> THEY CAN'T DO THE ONE THAT GOES DOWN THE ROAD, RIGHT?
>> CORRECT. THE ORANGE LINE, I WAS LOOKING AT THIS AND IT'S HARD TO SEE, BUT THAT IS THE PUBLIC OPTION, MEANING HE WOULD HAVE TO EXTEND THE PUBLIC SEWER WHICH WOULD BE AN EIGHT INCH LINE ALL THE WAY TO GRAB THE LINE ALL THE WAY TO THIS [OVERLAPPING].
>> THAT WOULDN'T BE COST EFFECTIVE?
>> THE OPTION IT'S JUST NOT COST-EFFECTIVE FOR HIM.
>> THE RED LINE IS THE ONE THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO GO ON BASICALLY?
>> LOOK LIKE THERE ARE RUNS RIGHT OUTSIDE OF [INAUDIBLE] EASEMENT, THE ROAD EASEMENT.
>> THAT'S TYPICALLY WHERE MOST PEOPLE WOULD WANT IT.
JUST LIKE OUR FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE DON'T WANT TO FORCE MAINE OR BLIND COMING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY, WE WOULD ASSUME THAT NOBODY ELSE WOULD EITHER FOR A PRIVATE EASEMENT AS WELL.
>> HE CAN'T GO ACROSS THE ROAD.
ISN'T THERE A GRAVITY LINE ACROSS THE ROAD THERE?
>> I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT?
>> A GRAVITY ACROSS THE ROAD, THERE ALL FROM MOUNT SINAI OVER THAT AREA SOMEWHERE.
>> WHERE IS IT? YOU'D HAVE TO CROSS THE HIGHWAY OR.
>> IT'S EVEN LESS COST-EFFECTIVE.
>> I JUST KNEW THAT WHEN THE CHURCH WAS TALKING ABOUT IT, THERE WAS A GRAVITY AREA OVER THERE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT.
WHAT DID YOU WANT FROM US ON THIS?
>> NOTHING. THIS IS JUST FOR INFORMATION.
UNLESS YOU HAD SOME OTHER FOLLOW-UP YOU'D LIKE ME TO ADDRESS.
>> LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE ALREADY COVERED.
>> I'VE GOT SOME EXTRA COPIES OF THIS.
I KNOW SOME FOLKS IN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY MAY BE HERE.
I'VE GOT SOME COPIES OF THIS PRESENTATION AS WELL FOR THEM IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE ME AFTER THIS.
AS YOU KNOW, OUR CURRENT CAPACITY ISSUES HAVE CREATED SOME CONCERN WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY ABOUT OUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE THE NEEDED CAPACITIES AT THE TIME THAT THEY WILL BE NEEDED.
AS SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT SUBDIVISIONS AT THIS POINT.
JUST RECENTLY PASSED THIS PAST BOARD MEETING ON MARCH 28TH, WE REVERTED BACK TO THE ORIGINAL WAY OF COLLECTING CONNECTION FEES FOR SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES FOR THE PURPOSE OF ASSURING THAT WHEN THEY GO TO BUILD THAT HOME FOUR TO FIVE MONTHS LATER, SOMEBODY DOES A SWOOP IN AND TAKE THAT CAPACITY AWAY FROM THEM.
MUCH TO THAT IDEA, WE'RE TRYING TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT TO FIND BETTER IDEAS TO ENSURE THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY CAN BE EITHER REDUCE THEIR RISK OR AT LEAST FIND SOME ASSURANCE SO THAT THEY WILL HAVE THE CAPACITY SHOULD THEY INVEST IN INFRASTRUCTURE.
AS YOU KNOW, A LOT OF NEW SUBDIVISIONS, THEY BUILT 100 HOME SUBDIVISION,
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THEY GOT PUT IN THE WATER AND SEWER TO SERVE THOSE AREAS AS WELL AS THE ROADS AS WELL.OBVIOUSLY, ONCE THEY START BUILDING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, THEY WANT SOME ASSURANCE THAT THEY CAN AT LEAST BUILD THEIR HOMES.
WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT SOME OPTIONS HERE ON HOW TO ADDRESS THAT.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS INFORMATIONAL ONLY.
THERE'S NO ACTION TO TAKE RIGHT NOW ANYWAYS.
NOW GOT SOME NEXT STEPS I'LL SHARE WITH YOU AS WELL AT THE END.
BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, SOME OF THE ISSUES WE'VE EXPERIENCED IN THE RECENT PAST IS HAVING CAPACITY TIED UP FROM DEVELOPERS THAT DON'T PROCEED TO CONSTRUCT.
AND SO EVEN THOUGH IN THIS CASE IT WASN'T VERY LONG, IT COULD HAVE PRESENTED ITSELF VERY AWKWARDLY IF WE TIED UP 200,000 GALLONS PER DAY OF CAPACITY AND THAT PERSON EVER CONSTRUCTED FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND THEN SOMEBODY ELSE WAS DENIED ALL THIS TIME THE ABILITY TO CONSTRUCT.
WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE OPTIONS AS WELL TO PUT CONSTRAINTS ON DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO UTILIZE THAT CAPACITY SOONER THAN LATER.
AND IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO, THAT THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO REVOKE THAT CAPACITY.
THEN AS WE ALREADY STARTED AND AS WE'LL SEE LATER TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR A REFUND FOR ONE INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY OWNER.
HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT AGAIN IN THE FUTURE.
IF WE DO REVOKE IT, WE WOULD ISSUE THAT REFUND IMMEDIATELY.
SO THEREFORE, ANOTHER ONE IS LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE FROM THE COMMUNITY ON HOW WATER AND SEWER CAPACITY WILL BE RESERVED FOR THOSE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS AS WELL AS NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
STARTING WITH THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.
CURRENTLY, SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES PAY CONNECTION FEES AT THE TIME OF BUILDING PERMANENT ISSUANCE.
PRIOR TO MARCH 28TH, THEY WERE PAYING THOSE CONNECTION FEES AT THE TIME THE HOME WAS BUILT AND THEY WANTED THE METER, ESSENTIALLY THE HOME WAS SOLD AND THE HOMEOWNER THAT JUST BOUGHT THE HOME WOULD COME IN AND PAY THOSE CONNECTION FEES.
SO NOW IT'S BACK ONTO THE BUILDER TO PAY THOSE CONNECTION FEES SO THEY CAN ENSURE THAT THEY WILL HAVE THAT WATER SEWER CAPACITY AVAILABLE TO THEM BY THE TIME THE HOME HAS BUILT AND THEY HAVE A BUYER.
THAT'S NOW THE CURRENT WAY WE'RE DOING BUSINESS.
SOME POSSIBLE CHANGES THAT WE CAN ADDRESS TO GIVE THEM SOME MORE ASSURANCE WOULD BE TO REQUIRE A SORRY, WAIT JUST A SECOND.
SURE. I DON'T CROSS MUST PASS HERE.
UPON RECEIVING A PERMIT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ACTUAL INFRASTRUCTURE GOING IN BY THE DEVELOPER, WE COULD REQUIRE ALL OR A MINIMUM CONNECTION FEE AT THAT POINT AS A COLLEAGUE, A GOOD-FAITH DOWN PAYMENT, IF YOU WILL, ON THE CONNECTION FEES SO THAT THEY HAVE AT LEAST A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF WATER CAPACITIES AVAILABLE.
AS YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE SUBDIVISIONS CAN TAKE 10-15 YEARS TO BUILD OUT.
SOME OF THEM ONLY TAKE A COUPLE OF YEARS DEPENDING ON THE DEVELOPER THEMSELVES AND HOW THE QUALITY OF HOME THAT THEY BUILD OR IF THEY'RE CUSTOMIZED, IT'S GOING TO TAKE LONGER.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING THE CUSTOMIZED HOMES BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT SOME PEOPLE WANT, AND SOME PEOPLE JUST WANTED IT TO GET IN AND GET OUT AND BUILD THE HOMES AND GET THEM OFF THE MARKET AS QUICKLY AS THEY CAN.
WE CAN REQUIRE ALL OR A MINIMUM CONNECTION FEE WHEN THEY COME IN AND THEY GET A PERMIT TO BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE WOULDN'T ALLOW THEM TO START BUILDING THE WATER AND SEWER IN THE GROUND UNTIL AT LEAST A PORTION OF THAT WAS DONE.
TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, WE WOULD ADDRESS THAT IN OUR WATER AND WASTEWATER AGREEMENTS.
FOR EVERY NEW SUBDIVISION, WE DO REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER TO SIGN AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY.
RIGHT NOW THOSE ARE VERY GENERIC AND IT'S NOT VERY SPECIFIC TO EACH INDIVIDUAL.
IT'S REALLY TELLING THEM THAT THEY WILL BUILD IT AT THEIR COST, AND THEN WE WILL TAKE IT OVER AND MAINTAIN IT ONCE WE FIND IT ACCEPTABLE.
THAT IS THE GENERIC AGREEMENT ESSENTIALLY, IN A NUTSHELL.
THAT WOULD BE ALSO OUR OPPORTUNITY THOUGH TO PUT SOME CONSTRAINTS ON THEM OR SOME REQUIREMENTS OF PAYING THE CONNECTION FEES TO ASSURE THEM THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD A CERTAIN NUMBER OF HOMES PER YEAR.
YOU CAN SEE THE SECOND BULLET POINT OF THE POSSIBLE CHANGES, AND THAT THE DEVELOPER MUST BUILD A MINIMUM NUMBER OF HOMES PER YEAR IN ORDER TO RETAIN THAT CAPACITY.
THERE'S A DEVELOPER THAT'S CURRENTLY BUILDING HOMES AND THEY BUILD ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE PER YEAR.
WE WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE THAT CAPACITY BEING USED UP QUICK INSTEAD OF BEING HELD ONTO FOR 10-15 YEARS.
BUT THIS GIVES THEM THAT ABILITY AS THEY MEET THEIR TIMEFRAMES, WE ALLOW THEM TO KEEP THAT CAPACITY.
BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT CAPACITY AVAILABLE TO BEGIN WITH.
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THIS IS ALL ASSUMING THAT WE DON'T HAVE ISSUES WITH CAPACITY DOWN THE ROAD THAT WE ARE SOLVING THOSE PROBLEMS. BUT SOME OF THESE THAT ARE STILL GOING TO WANT [NOISE] THESE TYPE OF AGREEMENTS NOW BECAUSE OF OUR LIMITED CAPACITY ISSUES.ALL THESE THINGS UP HERE ARE JUST SUGGESTIONS.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S DEFINITIVE AS A RECOMMENDATION.
THE AGREEMENTS SHALL NOT EXTEND BEYOND FIVE YEARS.
THEY CAN EXTEND AS LONG AS WE WANT IT TO EXTEND BASED ON DISCUSSIONS WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPER AND HOW THEY WANT TO PROCEED WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
THE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE TO GIVE THE DIRECTOR OR THE COUNTY BOARD THE AUTHORITY TO REVOKE THE WATER CAPACITIES IF THEY ARE NOT KEEPING UP WITH THE AGREEMENT OR IF THEY ARE NOT MEETING THE TIMEFRAMES ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE AGREEMENTS.
ANY TIMEFRAME ESTABLISHED WOULD BE IN THAT WATER AND WASTEWATER AGREEMENTS.
BUT WE DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF TIMEFRAME ESTABLISHED IF THEY FAIL TO DEVELOP THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO REVOKE THAT WATER AND SEWER CAPACITY AND THEN ISSUE REFUNDS ACCORDINGLY.
WE'LL STOP THERE FOR A SECOND.
>> WELL, I'M JUST THINKING, IF WE HAVE A RIGHT TO REVOKE IT IN FIVE YEARS.
BUT SUPPOSE THEY COME AND TALK TO YOU OR WHOEVER, AND YOU SAY, OKAY, WE WILL EXTEND IT TWO MORE YEARS.
BUT THEN WE HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE WHO COMES ALONG IN FIVE YEARS AND WHO WILL REVOKE IT.
AREN'T WE TREADING ON THIN ICE THERE? WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S HARD AND FAST.
>> THAT'S WHERE THE AGREEMENTS WILL HAVE TO COME IN PLAY.
THEY ARE GOING TO BE VERY SPECIFIC.
I WILL GET TO THE NON-RESIDENTIAL IN JUST A MINUTE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO TIE THOSE TO THE BUILDING PERMITS.
EACH BUILDING PERMIT EXPIRES AFTER A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD.
ONCE THEY EXPIRE, THAT GIVES US THAT RIGHT TO REVOKE THE WATER AND SEWER CAPACITIES IF THEY HAVEN'T STARTED CONSTRUCTION.
IF THEY STARTED, WE CONTINUE. THEY ALLOW THAT.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT WE NEED TO BE SURE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO, WE NEED TO DO IT.
WE NEED NOT TO LET THIS ONE GO.
WELL, THEY'RE GOING TO START SO AND SO AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO BE CONSIDERED STURDY, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT US TO GET IN BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD SPOT WITH THAT.
>> SURE. TO YOUR POINT, WHEN PERMITS CURRENTLY EXPIRE, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS ALL OVER AGAIN.
IF ONE SITE PLANS EXPIRE, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SITE PLAN PROCESS AGAIN TO MAKE SURE THAT NO CODES HAVE CHANGED AND WE WOULD DO THE SAME THING HERE.
IF IT EXPIRES AND WE LOOK AT THE SITUATION, AND IF THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE COUNTY AND GET ALL THE PERMITS AGAIN, THEY GOT TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
IT'S AS QUICK AS THEY WANT TO GO THROUGH IT.
AS SOON AS THEY APPLY, THEY CAN GET BRIGHT BACK IN LINE TO GET WHAT THEY NEED.
>> UNLESS I MISUNDERSTOOD YOU, FRANK.
WHEN YOU MET, IF I HEARD IT RIGHT, EITHER PARTIAL OR ALL FULL CONNECTION FEES.
LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT THE MONIES, LET'S NOT TALKING ABOUT IF YOU'RE SECURING FOR OUR HOUSE, JUST GUESS A FIVE-EIGHTHS WATER METER AND X NUMBER OF GALLONS.
WHEN YOU PAY EITHER A PARTIAL OR A FULL CONNECTION FEES ON BOTH WASTEWATER AND WATER, THAT'S FOR THAT VOLUME?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. THE CONNECTION FEES RESERVES THE CAPACITY.
WHEN YOU HEAR ME SAY PAYING CONNECTION FEES OR RESERVING CAPACITY, I'M USING THOSE INTERCHANGEABLY AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
WHEN I SAID PARTIAL EARLIER UP HERE, THAT IS MEANING THAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR PARTIAL NUMBER OF THE HOMES IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT.
IF YOU'VE GOT 100 HOMES, YOU CAN PAY A PARTIAL, MEANING ONLY 50 HOMES OF THAT CONNECTION.
THAT CONNECTION FEES FOR 50 HOMES AND THAT GUARANTEES YOU 50.
THEN ONCE YOU GET TO THAT NEXT STEP OF GOING BEYOND 50, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK IN AND PAY THOSE ASSOCIATED CONNECTION FEES TO RESERVE THE WATER.
>> MY ONLY CONCERN IS WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE MASS, I'M GOING TO CALL IT A MASS BUT FOR NO DISRESPECT BECAUSE THERE'S PLENTY OF PEOPLE BUILDING THOSE NOW VERSUS A CUSTOM HOME.
A CUSTOM HOME BUILDER, MOST LIKELY IT'S NOT GOING TO BUILD THE VOLUME OF HOMES THAT A MASS BUILDER WOULD BUILD BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY MET LESS THAN ONE WITH PREFAB, FOR INSTANCE.
MY ORIGINAL CONCERN WHEN I SPOKE THE LAST MEETING WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
WE DON'T WIND UP MAKE IT TO WHERE THE SMALLER, I'M GOING TO SAY SMALLER, NOT SMALLER BUT CUSTOM HOME BUILDER WINDS UP GETTING CAUGHT UP IN THE WEB WHERE THEY GET SHORT.
>> UNDERSTOOD. THAT'S THE BALANCE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND.
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ONE OF MY NEXT STEPS IS TO TALK TO DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.THAT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO APPEASE ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE.
MOST BIG DEVELOPERS, THEY'LL COME IN AND PAY 100 PERCENT OF THE CONNECTION FEES UPFRONT BECAUSE THEY GOT THE CASH ON HAND.
THE OTHER, CUSTOM HOME BUILDERS USUALLY BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT PUTTING UP THE PRODUCT AS FAST, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF CASH ON HAND.
THAT'S UNDERSTOOD. HOW DO WE ADDRESS THEM? THAT'S WHERE THE AGREEMENTS ARE REALLY GOING TO HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC.
>> THAT'D BE GREAT IF WE WEREN'T NEARBY WITH WATER AND SEWER.
>> BASED ON [NOISE] THE CHAIRMAN SCENARIO, IF I KNOW I HAVE FIVE YEARS AND THEN YOU COULD REVOKE MY WATER AND SEWER CAPACITY AND I ONLY NEED AN ADDITIONAL ONE MORE YEAR FOR THREE OR FOUR HOMES, THEN YOU COULD PUT A CAVEAT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY THE MINIMUM WATER BILL AND SEWER BILL TO ALLOW YOU TO EXTEND THAT FOR ANOTHER YEAR.
>> THAT'S CORRECT. AS LONG AS THEY'RE CONTINUING CONSTRUCTION, IF THEY HAVE STOPPED OR HAD NOT EVEN STARTED, THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD IMPLEMENT THAT REVOKING.
IF THEY'RE SHOWING PROGRESS ALL THROUGHOUT AND NOT STOPPING, BUT IF THEY STOPPED OR THEY GO OUT OF BUSINESS, WE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO REVOKE THAT CAPACITY.
OUR GOAL IS NOT TO RIP IT OUT OF SOMEBODY'S HANDS AND GIVE IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
OUR GOAL IS TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE AREN'T TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE COUNTY AND SLOWING DOWN DEVELOPMENT FOR OTHERS THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD.
>> AND TYING IT UP TO KEEP SOMEBODY ELSE.
>> AGREES IN HER OWN HOME. THEY TIE IT ALL UP TO ANOTHER PRIMARY, IT IS NOT FOR ANYBODY ELSE TO COME IN AND COMPETE WITH.
>> THAT'S RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS.
IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS ON THAT I WANT TO MOVE TO THE NON-RESIDENTIAL, WHICH WE'RE NOT PROPOSING.
HARDLY ANY CHANGES HERE OTHER THAN TO GIVE THE COUNTY BOARD OR THE DIRECTOR THE ABILITY TO REVOKE AN ISSUE REFUNDS.
RIGHT NOW, THEY ALREADY PAID THE CONNECTION FEES UPFRONT.
WE'RE NOT ASKING THAT TO CHANGE.
THEY HAD TO PAY THAT WITH THEIR BUILDING PERMIT ISSUES.
[NOISE] WE'RE NOT GOING TO SUGGEST ANY CHANGES TO THE NON-RESIDENTIAL AT THIS TIME, ONLY THE TIMEFRAMES TO WHEN THEIR BUILDING PERMIT EXPIRES,.
IF THERE'S NO PROGRESS, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO ESSENTIALLY TERMINATE THAT BUILDING PERMIT AND REVOKE THE CONNECTION FEES.
>> YOU GET TO ORDER TO PASS TO THE BACK.
>> THE NEXT STEP IS JUST SOLICITING FEEDBACK FROM DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
THEY WILL DRAFT SOME ORDINANCES FOR YOUR REVIEW.
MAYBE COME BACK FOR ANOTHER WORK SESSION AFTER THAT, AND THEN EVENTUALLY THEY'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING TO ADDRESS THE ORDINANCES.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT.
>>WORKSTATION, VET IT IN A HALF.
>> IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THE RESEARCH SAY ABOUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
>> BUT I'LL HEAR FROM AT LEAST TWO OF THEM.
>> WE'RE BASICALLY IN A RECESS FOR ANOTHER MINUTE BEFORE WE START.
[BACKGROUND] ACTUALLY, NOW WE CAN GO INTO OUR REGULAR MEETING AND I'LL CALL BACK TO ORDER AND I'LL ASK MRS. WAYMACK IF SHE'LL SHARE OUR IMPLICATION.
>> THIS IS THE BOARD'S IMPLICATION.
GRACIOUS HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR MANY BLESSINGS.
YET AGAIN WE HAVE BEEN SPARED FROM THE BAD WEATHER SEEN IN OTHER STATES.
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WE ASK LORD THAT YOU BE WITH ALL THOSE WHO MOURN AND COMFORT THE SICK AND COMFORT THE HEAVY-HEARTED.PLEASE BE WITH THIS BOARD LORD.
MAY THEIR DECISIONS BE MERCIFUL AND JUST.
HELP THIS BOARD TO REMEMBER TO LISTEN TO THE CONCERNS OF THE CITIZENS AND BE EVER MINDFUL OF THEIR NEEDS.
[INVOCATION]
IN YOUR HOLY NAME WE PRAY. AMEN.>> THANK YOU, MRS. WAYMACK. MR. BROWN, WILL YOU LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE SIR?
>> NOW IT'S TIME FOR THE BOARD TO ACCEPT COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
ANYBODY THAT HAS A PUBLIC COMMENT CAN COME FORWARD AND SPEAK TO THE BOARD FOR THREE MINUTES AFTER GIVING YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
MADAM CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP?
>> NOBODY SIGNED UP. SO ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE DO, GIVE US YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH ANY CONCERN YOU HAVE THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.
ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD ABOUT ANYTHING OTHER THAN ON THE AGENDA.
NOT SEEING ANYONE COMING FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I SO MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
>> THANK YOU. I HAVE A SECOND?
ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NO DISCUSSION, CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.
>> NEXT WE HAVE THE ORDER OF CONSENSUS.
THERE'S THREE ITEMS ON THE ORDER OF CONSENSUS.
IF NO ONE WANTS TO REMOVE ANY, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE ORDER OF CONSENSUS.
>> THANK YOU, MR. CARMICHAEL, I HAVE A SECOND? [OVERLAPPING]
ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
[ADOPTION OF AGENDA]
>> NOW, I'M GOING TO TAKE THE CHAIR PRIVILEGE, WHATEVER, TO DO THIS NEXT PRESENTATION FOR MR. SHREVES.
ON THE CONSENSUS AGENDA, WE PASSED TO HAVE A COMMENDATION FOR THIS GENTLEMAN.
[ORDER OF CONSENSUS]
SO I'D LIKE FOR HIM TO COME FORWARD.IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE YOU WOULD LIKE TO JOIN YOU UP HERE, SIR, IF YOU WOULD.
>> BRING THEM ON. THEY ARE ALL WELCOMED [BACKGROUND] [LAUGHTER]
>> I'M DOING WELL, OKAY. [NOISE] [BACKGROUND].
[PRESENTATIONS]
[BACKGROUND]>> HAROLD, IT WILL GREAT PLEASURE TO DO THIS.
WE'VE KNOWN EACH OTHER FOR A DAY OR TWO AND WE'VE DONE A WHOLE LOT TOGETHER.
THIS IS A COMMENDATION FOR HAROLD SHREVES, SERVICE TO PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY, PRESENTED ON TODAY'S DATE, APRIL 11TH, 2023, WHEREAS ON JULY 1ST, 1998, HAROLD SHREVES WAS HIRED AS A POLICE OFFICER, AND WHEREAS DURING HIS CAREER, HAROLD SHREVES SERVED IN THE FIELD OPERATIONS DIVISION AS A PATROL OFFICER AND IN INVESTIGATIONS AS A DETECTIVE AND WHEREAS DURING HIS CAREER, OFFICER SHREVES WAS A GENERAL INSTRUCTOR, SPEED MEASUREMENT INSTRUCTOR, PRASE INSTRUCTOR, P-R-A-S-E.
>> [LAUGHTER] HE GAVE A LOT OF PRESENTATIONS ON THAT.
[LAUGHTER] ALSO ANIMAL CONTROL CERTIFIED.
WHEREAS DURING HIS CAREER, HAROLD SHREVES SERVED ON THE CRASH TEAM, BICYCLE PATROL UNIT,
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HE WAS A NATIONAL AND STATE-CERTIFIED CRIME PREVENTION SPECIALIST, SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER, AND A CHILD SAFETY SEAT TECHNICIAN.WHEREAS OFFICER SHREVES THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER HAS RECEIVED NUMEROUS LETTERS OF COMMENDATION FROM CITIZENS, BUSINESS OWNERS OF PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY.
WHEREAS OFFICER SHREVES FELLOW COWORKERS REFERRED TO HIM AS TO BEING COMMITTED AND TRUSTWORTHY VERY MUCH SO.
WHEREAS THROUGHOUT HIS REMARKABLE CAREER IN LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER SHREVES HAS SERVED THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY AND THE COMMONWEALTH TO THE UTMOST OF HIS ABILITY DEMONSTRATING PATRIOTISM, INTEGRITY, AND DEVOTION TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AND PUBLIC SAFETY IN A MANNER OF SPEAKING THE DEDICATION OF A TRUE PUBLIC SERVANT, AND NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF COUNTY OF PRINCE GEORGE, THIS 11TH DAY OF APRIL 2023, DOES HEREBY COMMEND HAROLD SHREVES FOR A COMPLETION OF 24 YEARS OF DEDICATED SERVICE TO THE COUNTY AND ITS CITIZENS.
AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THIS BOARD WISHES TO EXTEND TO HAROLD SHREVES MUCH HAPPINESS AND CONTINUED SUCCESS AS HE ENTERS THE NEXT PHASE OF HIS LIFE.
SIGNED BY MYSELF AND MR. STOKES, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
[APPLAUSE] [BACKGROUND] WELL SAID.
>> NO. IF IT WASN'T FOR MY SUPPORT STAFF BEHIND ME HERE, 44 YEARS I DON'T THINK I COULD HAVE DONE IT.
OF COURSE, THE FELLOW OFFICERS THAT I HAVE, WE'VE WORKED IN TEAM, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THE MISSIONS.
>> I'M IN FRONT OF YOU NOT BEHIND YOU.
>> [LAUGHTER] YOU HAVE DONE A HECK OF A JOB AND YOU'VE HELPED ME IN MANY OCCASIONS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE COVID THING.
[BACKGROUND] WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF DAYS TOGETHER.
>> TESTING AND SHOOTING PEOPLE.
[LAUGHTER] GETTING PEOPLE SHOT.
THAT'S WHAT I MEANT ANYWAY. ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANT TO SAY ANYTHING?
>> I CAN. [BACKGROUND] THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH AND AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS, SIR.
>> EVEN THOUGH HE DIDN'T STEP UP WITH ME, MY TRUE SUPPORT IS A MAN IN RED RIGHT HERE, MY FATHER.
>> [APPLAUSE] CONGRATULATIONS.
>> DO YOU WANT TO GET A PICTURE WITH YOUR FAMILY?
>> SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT.
>> [LAUGHTER] I KNOW, THEY'D SAY GET OVER THERE.
>> CAN TAKE YOUR MASK OFF? > THERE A QUANTIZATION? [BACKGROUND]
>> READY? BIG SMILE 1,2,3 [NOISE]
>> YEAH, I THINK YOU SUMMED IT UP, MR. HUNTER. WE APPRECIATE IT.
I THINK YOU'D BE PLEASED TO KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO RETAIN HAROLD AS A VOLUNTEER.
THAT'LL BE FREE [LAUGHTER] [BACKGROUND].
>> WE CAN ABUSE HIM A LITTLE LONGER.
>> THANK YOU. [BACKGROUND] [LAUGHTER]
>> HE HADN'T QUITE BROKEN THAT TO THE FAMILY YET, SO THANKS, CHIEF.
>> VERY GOOD. CONGRATULATIONS. [BACKGROUND]
>> IT'S A REAL HONOR FOR ME TO DO THAT AND I TOOK THE CHAIR PRIVILEGE TO DO THAT.
I DIDN'T ASK ANYBODY ELSE, I JUST DID IT ANYWAY.
HAROLD WAS A REAL ASSET TO THE COUNTY AND APPARENTLY HE'S GOING TO STILL BE AN ASSET.
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[LAUGHTER] AT THIS POINT IT'S TIME FOR SUPERVISORS COMMENTS.MR. CARMICHAEL, ANYTHING, SIR?
>> JUST TO SAY CONGRATULATION TO HAROLD AND ALL THE YEARS HE SERVED.
HAD THE OPPORTUNITY OF RIDING WITH HIM A FEW TIMES AND GREAT ASSET TO PRINCE GEORGE AND HE WILL CONTINUE.
>> NO DOUBT. MS. WAYMACK. IS YOUR MIC ON?
>> IT ISN'T ON, IS IT? I'D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.
THEY'RE ALL GREAT. WE ARE REALLY THANKFUL FOR THEM.
>> JUST CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL RETIREES.
>> SAME HERE. I HOPE HE ENJOYS HIS RETIREMENT.
>> YES. I LIKE TO SAY IT WAS A REAL HONOR FOR ME TO DO THAT AND WANT EVERYBODY TO REMEMBER TO CONTINUE TO PRACTICE SAFETY.
[SUPERVISORS’ COMMENTS]
WE WERE TALKING A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, LITTLE THING, BUT A BIG THING, WASH YOUR HANDS.WASH YOUR HANDS EVERY CHANCE YOU GET BECAUSE YOU DON'T REALIZE WHAT YOU TOUCH AND WHAT YOU CAN CARRY ONTO YOURSELF. JUST TO BE SAFE.
>> YES, IT IS. THAT'S YOUR STUFF. MR. STOKE.
JUST A FEW NOTES OUT OF THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT.
VIRGINIA'S 4:00 PM BAN LAW IS STILL IN EFFECT THROUGH APRIL 30TH.
REGISTRATION FOR THE PRINCE GEORGE YOUTH FOR EACH CAMP, JULY 3RD TO THE 7TH IS STILL OPEN.
PLEASE SEE THE COOPERATE EXTENSION OFFICE CONTACT HERM MACLIN.
ON APRIL 15TH, SATURDAY IS CLEAN COMMUNITY DAY IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.
PLEASE COME TO THE PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY POLICE PARKING LOT AND THE CONVENIENCE CENTER FROM 1:00 AM-1:00 PM.
PLEASE SEE THE WEBSITE OR SOCIAL MEDIA FOR MORE DETAILS.
THERE'LL BE A DISC GOLF TOURNAMENT AT THE PINE VALLEY AT SCOTT PARK DISC GOLF COURSE ON THE 15TH AND THE 16TH.
ON THE 15TH ALSO KICKS OFF THE 90TH HISTORIC GARDEN WEEK.
[COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR’S COMMENTS]
THERE ARE THREE HOMES IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY, AND TICKETS ARE $40 IN ADVANCE.THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL HAVE A BUDGET WORK SESSION FOR THE FY24 BUDGET ON WEDNESDAY, APRIL 19TH, BEGINNING AT 5:00 PM AND NATIONAL DRUG TAKE BACK DAY COMING UP APRIL 22ND IN THE PRINCE GEORGE POLICE DEPARTMENT PARKING LOT FROM 10:00 AM-2:00 PM.
THAT'S SOME IMPORTANT STUFF THAT CLEANUP DAY AND THE DRUG TAKE BACK BOTH.
NEXT WE HAVE MR. PAUL HINSON. SIR.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M FILLING IN FOR CRYSTAL THIS WEEK. SHE'S ON VACATION,.
>> SOMEPLACE WARM, I IMAGINE, [LAUGHTER] KNOWING CRYSTAL.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS IN ADDITION TO THE REPORT WE SENT YOU ALREADY.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THAT, JUST LET ME KNOW.
THE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THE SECONDARY SIX-YEAR PLAN ARE GOING TO BE HELD AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING IN MAY.
SAMPLES OF THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTIFICATIONS FOR THE NEWSPAPERS AND THE RESOLUTIONS FOR THE SECONDARY SIX-YEAR PLAN WERE EMAILED ON APRIL 10TH.
YOU NEED TO HAVE THE ADVERTISEMENT RUN IN THE NEWSPAPER FOR TWO CONSECUTIVE WEEKS PRIOR TO THE BOARD MEETING AND ONE OF THOSE WEEKS CANNOT BE THE WEEK OF THE MEETING.
WE GOT A COUPLE OF OTHER PROJECTS.
[REPORTS]
ONE OF OUR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, UPC 1116999, IT'S A PROJECT TO REPLACE A COUPLE OF BRIDGES.ONE OF THEM IS ON GOLF COURSE DRIVE, ONE OF THEM IS ON LOAN OAK MILL ROAD.
BURLEIGH CONSTRUCTION WILL BE GIVEN THE NOTICE TO PROCEED.
THERE WILL BE DETOURS ASSOCIATED WITH BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS.
RESURFACING SCHEDULE, OUR TWO-WEEK LOOK AHEAD, IT WAS SENT OUT TO ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS.
>> CURRENTLY, WHITEHURST IS IN PRINCE GEORGE WORKING ON ACTIVITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE SURFACE TREATMENT CONTRACT.
THE PLANT MIX SCHEDULE, WHEN EVERYBODY WANTS THE ASPHALT, WE'RE FINISHING UP IN DINWIDDIE THIS WEEK AND THEN WE'RE MOBILIZING IN PRINCE GEORGE AND WE'RE GOING TO START OUR FIRST MOWING CYCLE.
WE LATER PICK UP INTO APRIL, BEGINNING OF MAY.
WE ARE GOING TO TRY OUR BEST TO GET THREE MOWS IN THIS YEAR.
WE'RE STARTING EARLIER TO MAKE SURE WE TRY TO GET THAT DONE.
>> THAT'D BE GREAT. A TRASH PICKUP IN CONNECTION WITH THE MOWING CAN BE A REAL FIASCO IF THEY DO IT IN THE REVERSE ORDER.
>> WE'RE EVEN TALKING ABOUT MAYBE STARTING ON THE SECONDARIES BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET THAT EXTRA LITTER PICKUP THAT WE DID ON A PRIMARY, SO WE'RE STILL THINKING ABOUT THAT,
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BUT WE'RE GOING TO GET IT GOING THIS MONTH.>> ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD?
>> YOU-ALL HAVE A NICE EVENING.
>> I DON T THINK WE HAVE ANY POSTPONED ITEMS. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE ORDER OF BUSINESS.
>> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UNDER TAB 11 IN YOUR BOOK IS THE ITEM FOR DISCUSSION FOR A1.
IT IS A REQUEST FOR A RESOLUTION TO VACATE A CONSOLIDATION PLAT THAT ORIGINALLY CONSISTED OF FIVE PARCELS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF US ROUTE 1, SOUTH CRATER ROAD, AND IT WAS RECORDED LAST YEAR, CONSISTING OF 73.436 ACRES.
[ORDER OF BUSINESS]
PREVIOUSLY, WE HAD A WORK SESSION CONCERNING THIS ITEM TO TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS FOR VACATING THE PLAT, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT OF AN UNUSUAL REQUEST.WE DON'T SEE VERY MANY OF THEM.
WE WANT TO REVIEW A LITTLE BIT OF THE BACKGROUND.
THIS PROPERTY OWNER OWNED ALL FIVE OF THESE PARCELS.
THEY CONSOLIDATED THEM WITH A PROPOSED USE OF A SOLAR FARM FACILITY AT THIS PROPERTY SITE.
PART OF THE PROCESS BY POLICY AND BY STATE CODE FOR A SOLAR FACILITY IS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD HEAR IT FIRST BEFORE IT COMES TO YOU AND DETERMINE WHETHER IT WAS A SUBSTANTIAL ACCORD WITH THE COMP PLAN AS WELL AS YOUR POLICY YOU'RE CITING POLICY FOR SOLAR FACILITIES.
LAST YEAR, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID DETERMINE THAT IT WAS NOT IN SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMP PLAN AND YOUR SOLAR POLICY FOR TWO REASONS.
ONE, IT WAS WITHIN THE PLANNING DISTRICT OF THE COUNTY AND NOT IN THE INTENDED RULE CONSERVATION AREA OF THE COUNTY AND ALSO IT WAS LOCATED WITH SURROUNDING R1 ZONING.
R1 IS ONE OF OUR HIGH DENSITY ZONINGS AND IT'S NOT A LOCATION ACCORDING TO OUR CITING POLICY IN OUR COMP PLAN THAT WE WOULD WANT THAT TYPE OF USE AT THAT LARGE SIZE.
THE CONSOLIDATION DID GET RECORDED TO SUPPORT THEIR CASE, AND AT THIS TIME THAT THE CASE IS NOT MOVING FORWARD, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS REQUESTED TO VACATE THAT PLAT.
COUNTY CODE AND STATE LAW DO ALLOW A PROPERTY OWNER, WITH THE CONSENT OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS VACATE A PLAT THAT HAS BEEN RECORDED WITH THE CLERK OF THE COURT.
THERE ARE A FEW OPTIONS AND THE OPTIONS TAKEN HERE, SINCE THERE HAS BEEN NO SALE OF ANY PARTS OF THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION, STILL OWNED BY THE SAME OWNER, IS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL MAKE A DETERMINATION ON WHETHER IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH A COMP PLAN AND CAN MOVE FORWARD TO YOU AND THAT THEY'RE MEETING LAST MONTH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FIND IT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FORWARDED TO YOU WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
THIS EVENING, IN YOUR PACKET, THERE IS A COPY OF THE PLAT THAT WE REVIEWED WITH YOU AT THE WORK SESSION, A COPY OF THE REQUEST FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS, AS WELL AS COPIES OF THE TWO CODE SECTIONS THAT APPLY TO THIS PROCESS.
THERE IS ALSO A DRAFT RESOLUTION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND IF APPROVED, WE WILL FORWARD THE RESOLUTION TO THE CLERK OF THE COURT WITH THE PLAT AND THE REQUESTS FOR THE VACATION OF THE PLAT.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
>> ANYBODY? IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO PASS THE RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED.
>> WAYMACK, I THINK YOU'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. CALL ROLL, PLEASE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
>> YES, MA'AM. NEXT WE HAVE RESOLUTION PROOF OF RECOMMENDATION AT 2024, HEALTH, DENTAL, VISION INSURANCE RENEWALS. MISS HERT.
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MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. STOKE. RECENTLY, WE RECEIVED OUR RENEWAL DOCUMENTS FROM ANTHEM AND DELTA DENTAL FOR THE FY21 RENEWAL.I AM HAPPY TO SAY THAT NO INCREASES FOR THE EMPLOYER OR THE EMPLOYEES IS PROPOSED.
OUR DENTAL RENEWAL RATES WOULD ALSO REMAIN THE SAME, THAT APPLIES TO RETIREES AS WELL.
THE ONLY CHANGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE [NOISE] IS ABOUT A 6% AVERAGE INCREASE FOR THE VOLUNTARY VISION, WHICH IS ESTIMATED TO BE ABOUT A DOLLAR.
[LAUGHTER] IT'S REALLY NOT MUCH AT ALL FOR THE EMPLOYEES.
AS YOU RECALL, WE DID SEPARATE FROM PRINCE GEORGE SCHOOLS LAST YEAR IN JULY.
THEY WENT TO THE LOCAL CHOICE AND WE STAYED ALONE.
WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAINTAIN A DECENT CLAIMS HERE AND HAVE A HEALTHY FUND BALANCE STILL IN THAT ACCOUNT.
WE ARE PROPOSING ALSO THAT OUR HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT CONTRIBUTIONS REMAIN THE SAME.
FOR EMPLOYEE ONLY IT WOULD BE $1,000 PER YEAR.
EMPLOYEE CHILD OR EMPLOYEE SPOUSE WOULD BE $1,250 A YEAR AND FOR FAMILY OR EMPLOYEE IN CHILDREN, IT WOULD BE A $1,500 CONTRIBUTION, THE SAME IT HAS BEEN IN YEARS PAST.
IF APPROVED, WE WILL BEGIN OUR OPEN ENROLLMENT PROCESS NEXT WEEK AND COMMUNICATE WITH OUR RETIREES AS WELL.
WE'VE INCLUDED A RESOLUTION IN THE PACKET AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS HERT?
>> IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO PASS A RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED.
>> THE MOTION IN A SECOND ANY DISCUSSION? HEAR NONE CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
NEXT WE HAVE [NOISE] RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE A REFUND FOR PARCEL 340-22-00-012, THRESHOLD UTILIZE WATER AND WASTEWATER. FRANK.
THIS PARCEL, WHICH IS OWNED BY THE HOLLINS WOOD COMPANY, CONSTRUCTED A SPECULATIVE BUILDING AND SUBSEQUENTLY PAY THE WATER AND WASTEWATER FEES FOR A THREE-INCH METER.
THE METER WAS SIZE BASED ON THE HANDS OF A PROSPECTIVE TENANT.
THAT EVENTUALLY DID NOT COME TO FRUITION.
SINCE THEN, THEY HAVE NOW LEADS TO A TENANT THAT HAS MUCH LESS WATER AND SEWER DEMANDS.
AS RECENTLY, WE JUST ESTABLISHED AN ORDINANCE TO ALLOW FOR THE REFUNDS OF WATER AND WASTEWATER CONNECTION FEES.
SINCE THE ORIGINAL PROSPECTIVE TENANT NEVER OCCUPY THAT SPACE, THEN THIS DEVELOPER OR PARCEL OWNER WOULD QUALIFY FOR A REFUND OF THOSE CONNECTION FEES.
IF THEY DID TAKE THE SPACE AND UTILIZE THAT CAPACITY AT THAT TIME, THEY WOULD NOT BE QUALIFIED FOR A REFUND.
THE TENANT HAD THE USE OF A THREE-INCH METER NEVER TOOK THE SPACE.
THEREFORE, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE CONNECTION FEES BE REFUNDED FOR THAT THREE-INCH METER.
THAT IS A REFUND OF APPROXIMATELY $80,840 FOR THE WATER AND 55,964 THE SEWER.
WE HAVE REVIEWED THE REQUESTS FROM THE COMPANY AND FIND THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF THE CODE AND WE DO RECOMMEND THE ISSUANCE OF THE REFUND.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> NO QUESTION. IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS I OBTAIN A MOTION TO PASS A RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THE BOARD APPROVE THE RESOLUTION TO GIVE A REFUND FOR THE UNUTILIZED WATER AND WASTEWATER CAPACITY.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING? NONE. WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE?
NEXT WE HAVE RESOLUTION APPROVAL OR PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY PROJECTS SUBMITTED TO SENATOR WARNER CANE, CONGRESSIONAL DIRECTED SPENDING FUNDS PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY PROJECTS.
>> YES MR. CHAIRMAN. ONCE AGAIN, THERE HAVE BEEN OPPORTUNITIES TO APPLY FOR FEDERAL GRANTS IN THIS CASE, THERE ARE MULTIPLE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR AUTHORIZATION.
EACH OF THESE, THE OPPORTUNITIES PRESENTED THEMSELVES AND THE DEADLINES CAME REALLY QUICK AND WE REACT IT AS QUICKLY AS WE COULD TO GET OUR APPLICATIONS IN.
WE'RE COMING IN AND ASKING FOR THEIR PERMISSION, POST HASTE, BUT THE APPLICATION HAVE BEEN MADE.
BUT SENATOR WARNER AND SENATOR CANE BOTH PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUBMIT A REQUEST FOR A VIRGINIA CONGRESSIONAL DIRECTED SPENDING.
THAT TYPE OF SPENDING IS INTENDED FOR ONE TIME EXPENSES FOR PROJECTS WITHIN THE COMMONWEALTH AND THAT DEADLINE WAS MARCH 10.
WE DID REQUEST FUNDING FOR FOUR DIFFERENT PROJECTS THROUGH THE INTERIOR,
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ENVIRONMENT AND RELATED AGENCIES.SPECIFICALLY THE EPA STAG GRANTS, WHICH IS THE STATE AND TRIBAL ASSISTANCE GRANTS FOR THE FOLLOWING PROJECTS.
THAT'S THE BEECHWOOD MANNER ASBESTOS CEMENT PIPE REPLACEMENT.
IF THAT SOUNDS FAMILIAR, WE ARE ALSO REQUESTING THE DWSRF FUNDS AS WELL FOR THAT.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE GET FUNDING AS MANY RESOURCES AS WE CAN.
THEN THE APP MAX RIVER WATER TRANSMISSION LINE CROSSING, THIS IS A LINE YOU GET UNDERNEATH THE RIVER WHERE THEY RECURRENTLY HAVE A LINE ATTACHED TO THE TOP OF THE BRIDGE OR INTO THE BOTTOM OF THE BRIDGE.
THEN THE RIVER ROAD WATER STORAGE TANK AND BOOSTER STATION, ALSO KNOWN AS A TEMPLE AVENUE TANK IN BOOSTER STATION, IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE LOCATED.
RIVER ROADS WERE TRYING TO BE MORE SPECIFIC IN THE APPLICATION TO HELP PAY FOR THOSE COSTS AS WELL.
FINALLY, WE ASKED FOR WATER LINE EXTENSION FROM OUR CENTRAL SYSTEM TO THE EXISTING ROUTE THREE OR ONE WELL SYSTEM.
EACH OF THESE HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT ATTACHED IN YOUR PACKETS.
BUT WE'VE ALREADY MADE THOSE SUBMISSIONS FOR THE SENATOR GRANTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
IN ADDITION TO THOSE GRANTS, WE'VE ALSO MADE APPLICATION TO CONGRESS WOMAN'S MCCLELLAN'S OPPORTUNITY TO SUBMIT REQUESTS FOR COMMUNITY PROJECT FUNDING.
THIS IS THE SAME FUNDING THAT WAS MADE AVAILABLE FOR THE EXTENSION OF THE ROUTE TEN LINE TO THE JORDAN ON THE JAMES AND BEECHWOOD MANNERED AIR WATER SYSTEM.
WE ARE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE PROJECT FUNDING.
AGAIN, THIS IS AN ANNUAL APPROPRIATION IN WHICH THE REPRESENTS CAN APPLY FOR FEDERAL FUNDING TO HELP LOCALITIES IN THEIR DISTRICTS MEET THEIR NEEDS.
THAT DEADLINE TO SUBMIT APPLICATION WAS MARCH 19, AND WE SUBMITTED THREE OF THE SAME PROJECTS THAT WE DID FOR THE SENATORS, WHICH ARE THE BEECHWOOD MANNER ASBESTOS CEMENT PIPE REPLACEMENT, THE APP MAKES RIVER WATER TRANSMISSION LINE CROSSING, AND THE RIVER ROAD WATER STORES TANK BOOSTER STATION.
STAFF IS LOOKING FOR AUTHORIZATION TO APPLY.
NOW THERE ARE MATCHING, A LOCAL MATCH REQUIREMENT OF 20%.
IF WE DO GET AWARDED THIS PROJECTS.
THE UTILITY FUND, CASH RESERVES WOULD BE ABLE TO SUPPLY WHICH OF THE TOP LOCAL MASK REQUIREMENT WOULD BE 2.5 MILLION LOCAL MATCH TO GET THE 12.6 MILLION PROJECT, WHICH WAS PROBABLY A FAR-FETCHED PROJECT AT THIS POINT, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE MAX WE WOULD NEED TO DEFER THE ABILITY TO GET THE GRANT FUNDS.
>> YES. YOU'VE TALKED TO US ABOUT THIS TO SOME DEGREE ALREADY, SO QUESTIONS.
FOR MR. HOGAN, HAVE A MOTION TO PASS A RESOLUTION.
>> NEXT, WE HAVE CONSIDERATION OF APPOINTEES.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN CLOSED SESSION AND SAY WE HAVE ONE MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR ANYBODY?
>> HELLO? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. WAYMACK, MARK BRYAN WAYMACK, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WOULD MOVE INTO THAT SPOT TO REPLACE THE RESIGNATION OF MR. JOSEPH SIMMONS.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. I HAVE A SECOND.
>> THANK YOU, MR. HUNTER. A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, WHICH YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
>> WE JUST NEED TO WAIT A FEW SECOND.
>> WE WAIT FEW SECONDS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> YES. [NOISE] IT'S 7:30, IT'S TIME NOW TO HAVE OUR PUBLIC HEARING.
THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING ON ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE CODE OF PRINCE GEORGE, VIRGINIA 2005 AS AMENDED BY MEN IN 82-262 AND 82-537 TO REVISE WATER AND WASTEWATER USER CHARGES.
MR. CHAIRMAN, AS WE WAIT FOR OUR PRESENTATION COME UP, BUT THIS IS THE PRESENTATION REGARDING THE RATE SETTING FOR THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT.
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WE ARE RECOMMENDING AN INCREASE OF 5% OF THE WATER AND THE WASTEWATER CHARGES, AS WELL AS ADJUSTMENTS TO OUR RATE BLOCKS.WHAT IS UTILITY RATES SETTING? I'D JUST LIKE TO REVIEW THIS JUST BRIEFLY EACH TIME I MAKE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.
BUT RATE SETTING IS OBVIOUSLY ABOUT RECOVERING THE COST OF THE UTILITY,
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SETTING RATES THAT BUILD ADEQUATE RESERVES FOR THE UTILITY, FUNDING OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, AS WELL AS PAYING FOR ANY TYPE OF REPAIRS AND REPLACEMENT OF EQUIPMENT.THE DEPARTMENT OF ENGINEERING AND UTILITIES CONSULTED WITH GETTINGGREATRATES.COM, LLC BACK IN 2020 THAT WERE STUDIED THE THEN CURRENT PLANS FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IN ALL THE PLANT EXPENSES FOR THE UTILITY TO DETERMINE THESE APPROPRIATE RATES TO SET.
THOSE WERE INTENDED TO GO INTO EFFECT BACK IN FISCAL YEAR 2021.
IN '21 AND '22, WE HAD NO RATE ADJUSTMENTS PRIMARILY AS A RESPONSE TO COVID.
SO THEREFORE, IN FISCAL YEAR '23, WE'RE REQUESTING THE BOARD APPROVE THE 30% INCREASE FOR THE WATER RATES, AND 30% INCREASE ON THE REVENUES FOR WATER, AND A 33% INCREASE IN THE REVENUES FOR SEWER.
IN THE FUTURE YEARS, IT WAS PROJECTED BY THE CONSULTANT THAT WE WOULD NEED AT LEAST A 5% WATER AND A 3% SEWER INCREASE EACH YEAR JUST TO MATCH INFLATION.
AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, INFLATION HAS PROBABLY TAKEN OFF MORE THAN THIS CONSULTANT PROBABLY EVER IMAGINED.
WE ARE REQUESTING IN THIS UPCOMING BUDGET, IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2024 BUDGET FOR A 5% INCREASE FOR BOTH THE WATER AND SEWER RATES, AS WELL AS MAKING SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE RATE BLOCKS.
AS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SEVERAL VERY EXPENSIVE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO OCCUR IN THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS AND WHILE NECESSITATING IN FURTHER INCREASES IN FUTURE BUDGETS.
TO START WITH, JUST TO SHOW YOU THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE'RE MAKING, THE FIRST IS THE FIXED MINIMUM CHARGE THAT WE CHARGE EVERY SINGLE CUSTOMER BASED ON THEIR METER SIZE.
WE CAN SEE HERE IN THIS CHART, EACH METER SIZE AND WHAT THOSE BI-MONTHLY MINIMUM CHARGES WILL BE.
YOU CAN SEE THE CURRENT FIRST AND THEN WHAT THE PROPOSED MONTHLY CHARGES WILL BE, BI-MONTHLY CHARGES WILL BE.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S ESSENTIALLY A 5% INCREASE ALL THE WAY DOWN FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL BILL.
[NOISE] THEN THERE'S OUR COMMODITY CHARGE, THIS IS THE CHARGE BASED ON THE ACTUAL AMOUNT OF WATER THEY USE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE NOT ONLY THE RATE ITSELF BY 5% EACH, BUT ALSO IT CHANGES THE RATE BLOCKS SO THAT THEY GET TO THOSE SECOND TIER RATES A LITTLE BIT QUICKER THAN THEY HAVE IN THE PAST.
THIS IS A RESPONSE REALLY THAT WATER COSTS THE SAME NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU'RE GETTING.
THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH RECEIVING THAT WATER.
REALLY IS NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE FROM RECEIVING IT SOONER THAN LATER IN THE AMOUNT OF VOLUME YOU'RE GETTING.
REALLY, I PERSONALLY LIKE TO SEE THESE TIERS ALMOST BE ELIMINATED IN CHARGE THAT FLAT RATE ACROSS THE BOARD.
BUT I THINK WE'RE YEARS AWAY FROM OBTAINING THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO DO BABY STEPS TO GET THERE.
AS YOU CAN SEE HERE THE SEWER CHARGES ON THE FAR LEFT, THAT CHART ONLY SHOWS THE IMPACTS TO WATER.
WE ALREADY HAVE A FLAT RATE FOR SEWER FOR NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU USE.
WE HAVE CURRENTLY 883 PER 1,000 GALLONS AND WE'RE PROPOSING TO INCREASE THAT BY 5% TO 927 PER 1,000 GALLONS.
THAT'LL BE FOR EVERY 1,000 GALLONS YOU USE NO MATTER WHAT YEAR YOUR IN.
WE HAVE NOT DONE A FLAT RATE ADJUSTMENT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
WE DID NOT HAVE AN INCREASE IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, AND THIS YEAR WE ARE REQUESTING A 5% INCREASE IN THE FLAT RATE SEWER BILL FROM 10,748-11,285 BEING A FIVE PERCENT INCREASE.
>> YES. ANY QUESTIONS FOR REFERENCE TO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND INFORMATION?
>> I GOT A FEW MORE IF YOU DON'T MIND ME REAL QUICK.
>> YEAH. JUST A LITTLE BIT TOO QUICK.
[NOISE] BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THE QUICK IMPACTS THAT RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS, THEY MAKE ABOUT 9% OF OUR CUSTOMER BASE.
WE ALWAYS LOOK AT THEM FIRST TO SEE WHAT THOSE IMPACTS ARE GOING TO BE.
AS WE TYPICALLY SHOW, THE AVERAGE CUSTOMER USES ABOUT 5,000 GALLONS PER MONTH, WE TAKE THAT TO 10,000 GALLONS ON A BI-MONTHLY BILL, AND WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE IS THAT THE WATER BILL WILL INCREASE BY 327 PER BILL AND THE SEWER BILL WILL INCREASE TO ABOUT APPROXIMATELY 581 PER BILLS FOR A TOTAL OF $9.09 PER BILLING PERIODS.
EVERY TWO MONTHS THEY WILL PAY [NOISE] ABOUT $9 MORE, AND FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR THEY WILL BE PAYING JUST UNDER $55 MORE A YEAR.
[NOISE] THE CHARGES JUST REFLECTS THE SAME THING.
JUST SHOWING WHAT THOSE ACTUAL NUMBERS WOULD LOOK LIKE.
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[NOISE] THEN MOVE IT ONTO JUST TO THE CODE WHERE ANYTIME WE HAVE A CHANGE IN RATES, WE ARE REQUIRED TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.AGAIN IF THEY APPROVED THESE AMENDMENTS WOULD BECOME EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST OF 2023.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS NOW, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
IF NOT I'LL BE WAITING [OVERLAPPING].
>> MAY I HAVE SOME TIME? [NOISE] WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MR. HALKER.
>> YOU BASICALLY TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
[NOISE] IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANYONE HERE JUST HEARD WHAT MR. HALKER HAD TO SAY.
THE COUNTY CODE IS GOING TO INCREASE THE COST OF WATER AND SEWER [NOISE] USE, AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THIS, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND BE HEARD.
ANYBODY THAT HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE CHANGE, PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME, AND BE HEARD.
I SEE NO ONE COMING FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TURN IT BACK TO THE BOARD.
>> HEARING NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THAT THE CHANGE AND THE RESOLUTION THAT'S IN OUR BOOK.
>> HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. HALKER.
>> I THINK THE NEXT THING WE HAVE ON IT WILL BE JAMMED TO THE 19TH.
>> APRIL 19TH AT 5:00. IS THAT CORRECT?
>> APRIL 19TH AT 5:00 FOR A BUDGET WORK SESSION IN THIS ROOM.
>> MRS. WAYMACK SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? FIVE O'CLOCK ON THE 19TH RIGHT HERE.
[NOISE] ALL RIGHT, EVERYONE. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.