Mar 28, 2023 Regular Meeting

IT'S 7:00, MARCH THE 28TH, AND I'M GOING TO CALL THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING TO ORDER AND CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

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HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME TO YOU THIS EVENING JUST TO SAY THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO YET SEE ANOTHER DAY, A DAY THAT WE'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE AND A DAY WE'LL NEVER SEE AGAIN.

HEAVENLY FATHER, WE ASK YOU THIS EVENING TO WATCH OVER EACH AND EVERY PERSON HERE IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.

WATCH OVER OUR EMERGENCY FOLKS, OUR POLICE, OUR FIRE, EMS, ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES, ALL OF THE CITIZENS, AND MORE, ESPECIALLY HEAVENLY FATHER WE ASK YOU THIS EVENING TO PLEASE WATCH OVER THIS BOARD AS WE WORK EACH AND EVERY WEEK, EACH AND EVERY DAY TO DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN FOR PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.

HEAVENLY FATHER, I COME TO YOU THIS EVENING TO ASK FOR A SPECIAL PRAYER TO WATCH OVER OUR YOUTH.

OUR YOUTH ARE OUR FUTURE, AND HEAVENLY FATHER, WE'RE JUST LOSING TOO MANY YOUTH TO GUN SHOOTINGS AND OTHER ACTIVITIES, AND IF WE KEEP UP AT THAT PACE, HEAVENLY FATHER, WE WON'T HAVE THAT FUTURE TO CARRY US FORWARD, AND HEAVENLY FATHER, WE ASK YOU TONIGHT THAT YOU LEAD GUIDE AND DIRECT US AS WE CONTINUE TO WORK AND DO THINGS FOR PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.

WE ASK ALL OF THIS IN YOUR NAME.

AMEN. THANK YOU, MISTER BROWN.

MR. CARMICHAEL WILL YOU LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE? THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.

NEXT WE HAVE THE ADOPTION OF THE.

YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

NEXT, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

PUBLIC COMMENTS.

ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY THEY WANT TO SAY? COME FORWARD. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, AND AS LONG AS IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT'S ALREADY ON THE AGENDA.

THANK YOU. [INAUDIBLE] AND I LIVE IN HOPEWELL 3607 STONE MILL DRIVE.

I OWN THE PROPERTY AT 5108 PRINCE GEORGE DRIVE, WHERE THE ROSS BUILDING USED TO BE.

PAINT SHOP. I BOUGHT THE BUILDING IN GOOD FAITH THAT WE COULD SELL A BUILDING AND BRING A GOOD BUSINESS IN.

WE HAVE THIS LADY WANT TO OPEN UP A HONEY PROCESSING BUSINESS AND IT'S A GOOD, CLEAN BUSINESS AND EXPECT TO BRING 20,000, $15,000 A YEAR TAXES TO THE STATE, TO THE COUNTY, AND WHEN I BOUGHT THE BUILDING, I TALKED TO MR. ROSS. HE SAID, WELL, WE'VE GOT WATER COMING THROUGH THE COUNTY HOOKED ONTO THAT AND PAID FOR THAT.

HE SAID, THE SEWER LINES OUT IN THE STREET I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT.

I ASKED HIM, COULD WE HOOK ONTO IT? SO AFTER SHE GOT INVOLVED IN IT, WE GOT TO CHECKING TO GET THE REZONING AND ALL THAT DONE.

SHE'S DOING THAT, AND SHE SAID THAT.

WE GOING TO HAVE TO HOOK ON THE COUNTY [INAUDIBLE] WE GOT TO HOOK ONTO THE SEWER.

SO I ASKED HIM ABOUT IT.

HE SAID, WELL, YOU HADN'T PAID YOUR FEE, SO YOU CAN'T HOOK ONTO IT NOW, AND THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, HE HOOKED ONTO IT THREE MONTHS AGO.

HE PAID HIS FEE BACK AT 20 YEARS AGO.

I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'S BEEN PUT IN AND WHICH I DIDN'T OWN THE PROPERTY AT THAT TIME.

I'D HAVE PAID TO OWN THE PROPERTY, AND HE SAYS, YOU AIN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO HOOK ONTO IT BECAUSE YOU HADN'T PAID YOUR FEE.

I SAID, WELL, IF I'D HAVE PAID MY FEE SAID, YEAH, IF YOU PAID YOUR FEE, YOU COULD HOOK ONTO IT.

SO I KNOW THAT THE FLOW LINE, IF IT'S A PROBLEM TO TAKE IN A NEW CUSTOMER BE PAYING THE $5,000 THEN OR NOW, NOT GOING TO HELP THE FLOW OF THAT LINE AND I FEEL THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD GIVE ME SOME KIND OF VARIANCE TO HOOK ONTO IT BECAUSE THEY PENALIZED ME BECAUSE I DIDN'T PAY THE $5,000. THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, HE PAID HIS SOMEBODY PAID IT AND HE COULD HOOK ON IT BUT NOW WE WANT TO HOOK ON.

THEY SAID WE CAN'T HOOK ON, AND I THINK THAT THE COUNTY, THE ENGINEER SAID IF THE BOARD WOULD PROVE TO GIVE A SUBSTANCE SOME KIND OF NOT HOLDING Y'ALL RESPONSIBLE, IF THE PUMPS GO DOWN, YOU COULDN'T SUE THE COUNTY FOR LOSS OF BUSINESS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I DIDN'T EXPLAIN AT ALL THAT Y'ALL MIGHT WOULD APPROVE IT.

SO THAT'S WHAT I COME HERE TONIGHT AND HOPING THAT YOU WILL CONSIDER MAKING SOME KIND OF EFFORT TO LET US HOOK ONTO IT , AND THE LADY IS HERE THAT'S GOING TO RUN THE BUSINESS.

YOU MIGHT WANT TO HAVE A WORD TO SAY.

I AM TONYA HALEY.

I OWN HALEY'S HONEY.

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SO I'M HOPING THE COUNTY WILL APPROVE FOR US TO HOOK ONTO THE COUNTY LINE SEWAGE LINE.

I THINK IT'S A PROCESS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH.

YOU'D HAVE TO, I THINK, START IN THE PLANNING COMMITTEE.

MS. WALTON IS HERE SOMEWHERE.

SHE WAS HERE, BUT AT ANY RATE, IF YOU WOULD SPEAK WITH HER AND SHE COULD PROBABLY GIVE YOU SOME GUIDANCE TO WHERE YOU HAVE TO GO TO BEGIN THAT PROCESS, MA'AM.

OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU ALL.

IS ANYONE ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO, SIR. MR. CHAIRMAN.

ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD TONIGHT ABOUT ANY MATTER? ONCE AGAIN, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

JUST GIVE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND THE TOPIC THAT YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO.

SEEING NO ONE ELSE COMING FORWARD.

SO I'LL CLOSE A COUPLE OF PUBLIC COMMENTS SECTION.

[ADOPTION OF AGENDA]

SO YOU SEE THE AGENDA BEFORE YOU ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADOPT IT.

MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE WE ADOPT THE AGENDA, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE ADD ITEM A5, WHICH IS THE GRANT AND ADDING THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA WITH THAT ADDITION, SIR.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA WITH A5, THE DSS GRANT ADDED TO THAT.

WITH THAT IN MIND, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

[ORDER OF CONSENSUS]

THERE'S THREE ITEMS, I THINK, UNDER ORDER OF CONSENSUS OR I'M SORRY, THERE'S FOUR AT THIS POINT UNDER ORDER OF CONSENSUS.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION THAT WE REMOVE C4 FROM THE CONSENSUS AGENDA AND APPROVE THE OTHERS, AND I SECOND THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN. SO YOU WANT TO EXTRACT C4, AND WHERE WOULD THAT GO ON THE AGENDA THEN? [INAUDIBLE].

ALL RIGHT, IT WOULD BE THE NEXT THING AFTER THE CONSENT.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL BE VOTING ON C ONE, TWO AND THREE ON THE CONSENSUS.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING? SO CALL THE ROLL.

NOW WE HAVE THE EXTRACTED C CONSENT ITEM WILL NOW ADDRESS THAT.

YEAH, MR. HALTOM.

GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

YES, SIR. MR. WHITTEN AND MR. STOKE.

THIS ITEM IS A PART OF A LARGER PROJECT WHERE WE ARE ADDRESSING SOME CAPACITY ISSUES FOR THE SOUTHPOINT BUSINESS PARK.

CURRENTLY WE HAVE A 12 INCH GRAVITY SEWER MAIN THAT'S ALREADY AT CAPACITY THAT SERVES THE BUSINESS PARK AS WELL AS THE ROUTE 460 CORRIDOR.

IN AN EFFORT TO PROVIDE MORE CAPACITY TO BOTH OF THOSE AREAS, WE NOW ARE GETTING READY TO START THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT TO EXTEND THE FORCE MAIN THAT'S GOING TO REROUTE IT FROM THE BUSINESS PARK ALL THE WAY TO THE PUMP STATION AND THEREFORE REROUTE IT AWAY FROM THAT EXISTING 12 INCH GRAVITY MAIN.

I WILL SHOW YOU HERE IN JUST A FEW SECONDS, BUT WE'VE ALREADY ACCEPTED EASEMENTS FOR OTHER PARCELS RIGHT HERE ON THIS MAP, YOU CAN SEE THE BUSINESS PARK TO THE RIGHT, THE PINK OR MAGENTA LINES OR THE COUNTY FORCE MAINS COMING FROM THE TWO PUMP STATIONS THAT SERVE THE BUSINESS PARK AND NEAR THE CLOVERLEAF OF THE I-95 EXCUSE ME 295 AND ROUTE 460 AREA.

YOU CAN SEE THE GREEN WITH A LOT OF CIRCLES.

THOSE ARE THE GRAVITY SYSTEMS, THE GRAVITY WITH THE MANHOLES.

THAT'S THE SYSTEM THAT'S AT CAPACITY.

SO WE ARE GOING TO REROUTE THE FORCE MAIN STARTING AT THE INTERSECTION OF BULL HILL AND [INAUDIBLE], GO UP TO 295, CROSS IT, AND THEN BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE ANY EASEMENTS ALONG THE LIMITED ACCESS HIGHWAY OF 295, WE HAVE TO BE ON THE PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO THAT RIGHT OF WAY.

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WE ARE SHORT ONE EASEMENT BECAUSE AT THE TIME WE WERE ACCEPTING THEM, THE PROPERTY WAS CHANGING HANDS.

WE ARE NOW COMING BACK AND ASKING FOR THIS ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY, WHICH EXCUSE ME, IS THE MERIT PROPERTY, AND YOU CAN SEE THE EASEMENT HERE IS RIDING RIGHT ALONG THE EDGE OF THE 295 BEFORE IT CROSSES THEIR PROPERTY TO GET TO THE NOW CURRENT DIAMOND PARK PROPERTY.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT RED DASHED LINE IS THE NEW ROUTE OF THE FORCE MAIN, AND WHERE IT ENDS IS RIGHT THERE AT THE TOP LEFT AT THE EXISTING PUMP STATION.

SO TONIGHT, WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE BOARD'S APPROVAL TO ACCEPT THIS FINAL EASEMENT SO THIS PROJECT COULD MOVE FORWARD.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, SIR. I'M GOOD.

NO QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE EASEMENTS.

SO MOVED, MR. CHAIRMAN.

HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION, AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

THANK YOU, MR. HALTOM. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, IN CONSENSUS ORDER OR CONSENSUS, WE HAD TWO PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT.

[PRESENTATIONS]

COME FORWARD, PLEASE, MA'AM.

STAND RIGHT UP HERE, MA'AM, WHERE EVERYBODY CAN SEE YOU.

MS. BROWN--YES.

I WANT YOU ALL TO SEE THIS LOVELY LADY.

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IT'S ACCOMMODATION FOR IT SAYS WHEREAS FLOYD WHERE HE AND HIS WIFE 66 YEARS CITIZENS OF. WHEREAS MR. BROWN IS RETIRED FROM 35 YEARS OF SERVICE IN THE ACTIVE AIR FORCE IN THE ARMY AND THE AIR FORCE RESERVE.

SORRY.

BROWN WAS A MEMBER OF THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FROM MARCH TO 12TH OF 2002 TO NOVEMBER 5TH OF 2002 , AND WHEREAS, MR. BROWN WAS ALSO A MEMBER OF THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.

PLANNING COMMISSION FROM JANUARY THE 25TH, 1972 TO DECEMBER 31ST OF 2022 BROWN HAS ALSO SERVED THE CITIZENS OF HIS COMMUNITY AS A MEMBER OF THE ROTARY CLUB OF PRINCE GEORGE, AND WHEREAS, FLOYD AND BROWN SENIOR, ALONG WITH HIS WIFE, IS A FAITHFUL SERVANT OF GOD THROUGH HIS MANY GOOD WORKS AT FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH 1938 AND COUNTRY. THE CITIZENS OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY AND HIS FAITH FIRST SET AN EXAMPLE OF EXCELLENCE AND HONESTY TO THE THAT EMANATES IN HIS EVERYDAY APPROACH TO LIFE, AND WHEREAS, MR. BROWN IS A HUSBAND, FATHER, GRANDFATHER, FRIEND, MENTOR AND ADVISOR TO THIS COMMUNITY.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THIS 28TH DAY OF MARCH 2023, THAT THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS COMMENDS MR. FLOYD HALF A CENTURY, AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, THAT THE BOARD THANKS MR.

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YOU WANT TO GET A PICTURE OF ALL YOUR FAMILY? I'M GOOD. I'M GOOD.

THIS IS ABOUT THEM, NOT ME.

CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU, SIR, FOR YOUR DEDICATION AND SERVICE TO PRINCE GEORGE AND ALL THE PEOPLE THAT YOU SERVE.

[APPLAUSE] THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ALWAYS A REAL PLEASURE AND THE HONOR OF HAVING FLOYD BROWN JUNIOR SITTING ON THE BOARD UP HERE WITH US.

SO IT'S A REAL PLEASURE.

WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ALONG TO PRESENTATION SUPERVISOR'S COMMENTS.

[SUPERVISORS’ COMMENTS]

THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, IT'S NICE TO SEE LIKE MR. GOOD TO SEE YOU, TOO, SIR.

ALL RIGHT, TAKE CARE.

MISS WAYMACK COMMENTS TONIGHT? YES, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY HOW WONDERFUL IT WAS THAT WE HONORED THIS COUPLE FOR ALL THEIR DEDICATED SERVICE AND I WISH WE HAD MORE CITIZENS THAT WOULD PERFORM IN THE WAY THAT THEY DID RAISE UP YOUR CHILDREN AND USE THEM AS AN EXAMPLE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. I'M GOING TO COME TO YOU LAST, MR. BROWN. MR WEBB.

IT'S TRULY AN HONOR TO SEE THE KIND OF DEDICATION THAT IS A REAL COMMITMENT.

IT'S REALLY REMARKABLE, AND THANK THEM ALL FOR IT AND ECHO EVERYTHING YOU ALL HAVE SAID, AND YOU KNOW, AND I'M GOING TO SAY WHAT AN HONOR IT WAS FOR ME TO HAVE KNOWN BOTH OF THESE PEOPLE FOR THE YEARS THAT WE HAVE AND WILL CONTINUE TO, BUT THEY'VE REALLY BEEN AN INSPIRATION TO ME FOR THEIR DEDICATION, AND BEING A MEMBER OF THE ROTARY CLUB WITH THEM WAS A REAL HONOR, BUT NOW, MISTER BROWN, WOULD YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, SIR? OH, YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S DEFINITELY AN HONOR TO SIT HERE, AND WE'VE LIVED THAT LIFE.

AS SONS, WE LIVED THAT LIFE WITH THEM.

SO THEY WERE THEY ALWAYS GAVE AND GIVE AND CONTINUE TO GIVE EVEN NOW, AND THAT'S WHAT HAS INSPIRED ME TO DO

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SO I GOT IT, HONESTLY.

SO BUT YEAH, THEY'VE BEEN REALLY EXCITED TODAY.

I CALLED THEM BEFORE I LEFT TO COME HERE AND THEY WERE LIKE, YEAH, WE'VE ALREADY LAID OUR CLOTHES OUT.

WE'RE READY, WE'RE READY AND SO I KNEW THEY WERE QUITE EXCITED ABOUT TODAY.

SO DEFINITELY KUDOS TO THEM AND CONGRATULATIONS TO THEM FOR WHAT THEY'VE DONE.

YEAH, IT WAS GREAT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT WHILE THEY'RE STILL IN GOOD HEALTH AND COULD BE HERE TO ENJOY IT AND TO SHARE IT WITH US.

SO, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S COMMENTS, SIR.

[COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR’S COMMENTS]

YOUR REPORT IS IN YOUR PACKET.

JUST A COUPLE OF DATES TO KEEP IN MIND.

REGISTRATION FOR PRINCE GEORGE YOUTH 4H CAMP IS STILL OPEN.

THEY STILL HAVE SPOTS AVAILABLE FOR JULY 3RD THROUGH THE SEVENTH.

PLEASE SEE THE COOPERATIVE EXTENSION OFFICE.

APRIL 1ST IS THE SEVENTH ANNUAL APPOMATTOX RIVER REGIONAL PARK 5K TRAIL RUN WALK AT APPOMATTOX RIVER REGIONAL PARK.

IT'S A 9 A.M.

START.

ON SATURDAY, APRIL 8TH IS THE ANNUAL PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY EASTER EGG HUNT.

YOUTH AGES TWO THROUGH TEN, THAT WILL BE HELD AT TEMPLE RECREATION PARK.

IT BEGINS PROMPTLY AT 11 A.M, AND ENDS ABOUT 11:02.

[CHUCKLING] OUR NEXT BOARD MEETING IS APRIL 11TH.

WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT WE CLOSE OR NOT HAVE THE MARCH 30TH WORK SESSION FOR THE BUDGET AND MARK YOUR CALENDARS FOR APRIL 15TH, CLEAN COMMUNITY DAY 8 A.M.

TO 1 P.M.

LOOK FOR THE FLIER AND SOCIAL MEDIA FOR MORE DETAILS.

PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY POLICE PARKING LOT AND THE CONVENIENCE CENTER.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

[ORDER OF BUSINESS (Part 1 of 2)]

MR HALTOM. GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THE BOARD HAS PREVIOUSLY ALREADY AWARDED ENGINEERING SERVICES TO WW ASSOCIATES TO DO THE DESIGN OF THE WATERLINE EXTENSION FROM SANDY RIDGE ROAD ALL THE WAY TO THE ROUTE 10 CORRIDOR CONNECT JORDAN ON THE JAMES AND BEECHWOOD MANOR SUBDIVISIONS.

CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION SERVICES ARE ALSO REQUIRED FOR THIS PROJECT AND TO PROVIDE TO ALLOW THE ENGINEER TO PROVIDE A SHOP DRAWING REVIEWS, ATTEND MONTHLY MEETINGS, DO INSPECTIONS AS WELL AS PREPARE THE AS-BUILT AND RECORD DRAWINGS.

WW ASSOCIATES HAS PROVIDED A PROPOSAL FOR CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION SERVICES FOR A LUMP SUM FEE OF 75,000.

THIS TASK WILL BE UTILIZED USING THE ANNUAL ENGINEERING SERVICES CONTRACT AND THESE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE IN THE UTILITY CIP FUND TO COVER THESE COSTS, AND WE ARE REQUESTING THAT THE BOARD AWARD, THE AWARD, THE CONTRACT FOR CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION SERVICES TO WW FOR $75,000.

OKAY, THERE'S A RESOLUTION IN THE PACKET.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HOLCOMB? NO, SIR.

ALL RIGHT, THERE'S NO QUESTIONS.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO PASS THIS RESOLUTION.

SO MOVED, MR. CHAIRMAN.

MR. BROWN. A SECOND? SECOND. A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

THANK YOU, MR. HALTOM. NEXT, WE HAVE A RESOLUTION OF APPROPRIATION OF $12,000 STATE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRIAL [INAUDIBLE] GRANT.

MAKAYLA CHRISTIANSEN, WELCOME.

THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

MR. STOKE, MR. WHITTEN.

FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVEN'T MET ME, MY NAME IS MAKAYLA CHRISTIANSEN AND I'M THE NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM SPECIALIST FILLING IN FOR [INAUDIBLE] HE IS OUT OF THE STATE RIGHT NOW. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A GRANT APPROVAL THAT WE WERE AWARDED FOR EXIT 45.

SO WHAT WHAT WE HAVE IS $12,000 FROM THE INDUSTRIAL REVITALIZATION FUND, WHICH WAS AWARDED FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

IN THE AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THAT HIGHLIGHTED PARCEL THERE WHICH HAS THE TRAVELODGE RED ROOF INN AND THE FORMER STEPHEN KENT RESTAURANT.

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WE WANT TO MAKE A GOOD IMPRESSION WITH THAT.

SO WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO IS WITH THAT $12,000, DO A NEW PRO FORMA WORKING WITH RETAIL STRATEGIES ON GETTING DEMO ESTIMATES, ESTIMATES FOR RETAIL PADS, POSSIBLY DOING A SITTING AND REST AREA AND OVERALL, JUST MAKING THE AREA AN INVITING SPACE AND THAT WILL GO TOWARDS THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NOPE, I'M GOOD.

NO QUESTIONS.

NO. ALL RIGHT, THERE'S A RESOLUTION IN THE PACKET IF YOU WANT TO.

ANYBODY WANT TO? HEARING NO DISCUSSION, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE.

EXCUSE ME. ACCEPT THE RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED.

A MOTION FOR THE RESOLUTION.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, SO AT 7:30 WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THERE ARE SEVERAL ON HERE.

[PUBLIC HEARINGS]

SO, MR. GREEN. GOOD EVENING, CHAIR HUNTER.

VICE CHAIR WEBB.

MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

MR STOKE AND MR. WHITTEN. THIS EVENING I WILL BE PRESENTING THE REZONING CASE 22-05.

IT'S THE REQUEST OF HB PROPERTIES LLC TO CONDITIONALLY REZONE APPROXIMATELY 19.836 ACRES FROM M-1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO M-2 GENERAL INDUSTRIAL.

THE PURPOSE OF THE REZONING IS TO ALLOW OVERFLOW TRACTOR TRAILER PARKING FOR THE E-COMMERCE TRANSPORTATION SERVICES.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE END OF CORPORATE ROAD, WHICH IS A ROAD THAT IS ACCESSED OFF OF RIVES ROAD IN THE CORPORATE LIMITS OF THE CITY OF PETERSBURG.

THE PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP 330(0A)00-016-0.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE MAP INDICATES THE PROPERTY IS PLANNED FOR FUTURE I NDUSTRIAL USES.

THE MAP BEFORE YOU SHOWS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.

THE NEXT MAP IS THE AERIAL VIEW SHOWING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

THE NEXT MAP IS A EXPANDED MAP WHERE WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.

THE CORPORATE LINES OF THE CITY OF PETERSBURG.

IS THAT DASHED PURPLE AND BLACK LINE.

THAT SEPARATES THE CORPORATE LIMITS OF PRINCE GEORGE WITH THE CITY OF PETERSBURG.

ALSO, YOU CAN SEE AT THE TOP OF THE MAP WHERE WHERE THE ACCESS OF RIVES ROAD IS, AND IT'S IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE OFF RAMPS OF 95, NORTHBOUND AND SOUTHBOUND. THE NEXT MAP IS THE ZONING MAP OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY IS HIGHLIGHTED IN THE LIGHT GRAY AREA, AND IT IS TO NOTE THAT THE PROPERTY ADJOINS PROPERTY THAT THE COUNTY RECENTLY REZONED THE M-2 HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.

THAT PROPERTY IS LOCATED NORTH OF THE SITE IN QUESTION.

THE NEXT MAP SHOWS THE COUNTY'S ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE PROPERTY THAT.

THAT SHOWS THAT THE COMP PLAN HAS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IDENTIFIED FOR INDUSTRIAL USE THAT IS THE PURPLE

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THE BACKGROUND OF THIS APPLICATION.

THE PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY REZONED TO M-2, I MEAN, TO M-1 IN 1984. IN OCTOBER OF 2022, THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE IN QUESTION WAS REZONED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FROM M-1 TO M-2 UNDER REZONING CASE 21-05 FOR THE SAME LAND USE THAT IS BEING.

REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT.

THE REQUEST THAT WAS APPROVED PREVIOUSLY WAS TO ALLOW 169 TRACTOR TRAILER SPACES.

PLANS FOR THE OVERFLOW TRACTOR TRAILER AND PARKING FOR E-COMMERCE IS AS FOLLOWS.

THE TRAILERS WILL BE STORED ON SITE WHEN THE TRACTOR TRAILERS ARE NOT IN USE, THE NUMBER OF TRAILERS ON THE SITE WILL BE SEASONAL AND THEY WILL FLUCTUATE DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON.

THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION SHOWS APPROXIMATELY 303 PARKING SPACES AND THERE IS A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT BASIN.

THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A TURN WARRANT STUDY TO THE CITY OF PETERSBURG IN THE RESULTS OF THE STUDY SHOWED THAT.

THAT THE PROPOSED TRUCK TERMINAL WILL ONLY PRODUCE FOUR TRUCK TRIPS DURING THE WEEKDAY PEAK.

IT WAS BETWEEN 6 A.M, AND 9 A.M, AND THAT THE PROPOSED OPERATION WOULD ONLY GENERATE FOUR TRUCK TRIPS DURING THE WEEKDAY PM PEAK HOURS FROM 3 P.M.

TO 6 P.M..

THERE ARE NO PLANNED STRUCTURES FOR CONSTRUCTION AND THERE IS A THERE IS NO PLAN EXTENSION OF PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER.

THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO VOLUNTEERED SEVERAL PROPERTIES WITH THE.

APPLICATION. THIS SHOWS THE PROPOSED SITE LAYOUT OF THE 303 TRACTOR TRAILER SPACES, AND THE CONCERNS, THE REVIEW COMMENTS OR THE PLANNING AND ZONING OFFICE WERE AS FOLLOWS.

THAT CASE ZONING MAP 84-3.

ORIGINALLY REZONE THE PROPERTY TO M-1.

THE PROPOSED USE OF THE PROPERTY WILL FALL UNDER THE M-2 LAND USE OF A TRUCK TERMINAL WHICH IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN THE M-2 DISTRICT.

LIKE I STATED BEFORE, THE APPLICANT HAS THEY SUBMITTED A TERM ONE LANE STUDY FOR THE CITY OF PETERSBURG.

THE COUNTY STAFF FINDS THAT THE USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND ALSO THE USE IS CONSISTENT WITH EXISTING AND SURROUNDING LAND USES, AND ALSO THERE WILL BE MINIMAL IMPACT ON THE COUNTY SERVICES SUCH AS ON PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER.

OTHER STAFF CONCERNS.

VDOT HAD A CONCERN THAT THE ROAD WAS NOT

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THE OTHER COMMENT CAME FROM THE PUBLIC UTILITIES OFFICE, AND BASICALLY THEY HAD STATED THAT IF WATER AND SEWER WERE TO BE NEEDED AT THAT SITE, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM THE CITY OF PETERSBURG [INAUDIBLE] APPROXIMATELY 12 CONDITIONS WITH THE APPLICATION AND THE 12 CONDITIONS WERE HEAVY USES IN THE DISTRICTS THAT WOULD NEVER BE USED ON THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION, AND EXAMPLES WERE A MEAT, POULTRY AND PROCESSING OPERATIONS AND AN AUTO AND BODY SHOP.

THE APPLICANT ALSO THE [INAUDIBLE] TO MAINTAIN A NATURAL BUFFER OF 20FT ALONG THE PROPERTY LINES AND THEY ALSO AGREED TO PRACTICE BEST MANAGEMENT ON [INAUDIBLE] PRACTICES.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION MET AND THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY CONDITIONS.

IN SOME OF THE REASONS FOR APPROVAL WAS THAT THE USE IS COMPARABLE WITH EXISTING AND SURROUNDING LAND USES.

THE SITE CURRENTLY ADJOINS A PROPERTY ZONED M-2, WHICH WAS REZONED BY THE COUNTY FOR THE SAME TYPE OF USE BACK IN OCTOBER OF 2022.

THE CONCERNS OF VDOT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED IN THAT ANY CONCERNS ON WILL BE ADDRESSED DURING THE SITE PLAN.

REVIEW PROCESS, AND THERE HAS BEEN NO NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC, AND THE APPLICANT HAS PROFFERED SEVERAL CONDITIONS WHICH STAFF FINDS TO BE ACCEPTABLE, AND THAT'S THE END OF MY REPORT, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, I WILL ATTEMPT TO ANSWER THEM, AND THERE IS A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE APPLICANT HERE THAT CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

DOES HE WANT TO SPEAK BEFORE WE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS? JUST VERY BRIEFLY.

GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

MY NAME IS MATT ROBERTS WITH THE HIRSCHLER LAW FIRM HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, WE DON'T HAVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION.

WE APPRECIATE STAFF PROVIDING ALL THE INFORMATION THAT THEY DID GIVE.

MAKES MY JOB A LOT EASIER.

WE ARE HAPPY TO BE HERE TONIGHT WITH STAFF SUPPORT AND PLANNING COMMISSION'S UNANIMOUS SUPPORT AS WELL.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

THANK YOU. OKAY, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.

WE'LL WAIT TILL WE HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND WE'LL SEE THEN IF IT BRINGS FORTH ANY QUESTIONS.

SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

IT'S FOR THE REZONING OF THE LOCATION OF THE APPROXIMATELY

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SO DOES ANYONE HAVE COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

ANYONE WITH COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL, PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.

SEEING NO ONE COMING FORWARD TO SPEAK TO THIS PROPOSAL.

I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE BOARD.

HERE'S OUR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.

NO, SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN.

OKAY, YOU SAID ONE THING ABOUT FOUR TRUCKS, THE TRAFFIC DURING THE PRIME TIME, THERE'S GOING TO BE 300 TRAILERS PARKED THERE, BUT ONLY FOUR MOVING DURING THE DAY.

IT WOULD BE A TOTAL OF EIGHT TRUCKS.

OKAY, WELL, FOUR IN THE MORNING AND FOUR IN THE EVENING.

OKAY, BUT EVEN EVEN EIGHT, WHEN YOU'RE HAVING 300 TRAILERS THERE, THAT DOESN'T REALLY ADD UP.

I JUST WAS WONDERING, WHAT ARE THE OTHER 200.

IT'S A DROP OFF. YEAH, I KNOW IT'S JUST A DROP OFF, BUT NONE OF THOSE VEHICLES WILL BE BEING MOVED.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

SO TO CLARIFY, THOSE ARE FOUR NET NEW TRIPS IN THE MORNING AND FOUR NET NEW TRIPS IN THE EVENING COMPARED TO THE BACKGROUND CONDITIONS, INCLUDING MAP DEVELOPMENT.

SO OF ALL THE FOLKS COMING IN OR OUT OF THE SITE, WE WOULD ONLY ANTICIPATE BASED ON INDUSTRY STANDARDS FOR NET NEW TRIPS IN THE MORNING AND FOUR NET NEW TRIPS IN THE EVENING.

NOW PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT IS, AS STAFF INDICATED EARLIER, THIS IS PARTLY A SEASONAL USE.

THIS IS ALSO A PARKING USE.

SO FOLKS ARE NOT COMING IN AND OUT OF HERE EVERY SINGLE DAY, AND THOSE ARE PEAK HOUR TRIPS AS WELL.

SO WHEN WE SAY FOR NET NEW IN THE MORNING AND FOR NET NEW IN THE EVENING, WE MEAN AT THE HIGHEST VOLUME TIMES THAT REEVES AND CORPORATE ROAD COULD BE USED.

SO AGAIN IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF NOT EVERYBODY IS COMING IN AND OUT OF THIS SITE EVERY SINGLE DAY.

IT IS LARGELY A PARKING USE, AND THOSE FOR TRIPS THAT ARE GENERATED IN THE MORNING AND THE EVENING ARE REALLY ONLY RELATIVE TO THE PEAK HOURS WHEN PEOPLE COULD BE USING RIVES ROAD. SO WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ANALYZE IS WHEN THE MOST FOLKS ARE ON RIVES ROAD, WHAT'S THE INTERACTION INTERPLAY BETWEEN OUR PROPOSED USE AND THE EXISTING TRAFFIC THAT'S OUT THERE? AND CANDIDLY, IT IS NOT A LARGE INCREASE AT ALL.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THAT AND ACTUALLY, THAT HAS BEEN EXPLAINED TO US BEFORE, BUT I JUST WANTED THAT TO BE IN THE PUBLIC EYE SO THEY COULD HEAR IT AND UNDERSTAND MAYBE WHAT THE QUESTION I JUST HAD.

MR. CARMICHAEL, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? OKAY, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MYSELF.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO--MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THIS REZONING REQUEST FROM M-1 TO M-2.

ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

THANK YOU.

THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING IS AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE CODE OF THE COUNTY OF PRINCE GEORGE, VIRGINIA, AS AMENDED 82-236 AND 82-511 CONNECTION FEES FOR ISSUE OF A BUILDING PERMIT.

THANK YOU, MR. WHITTEN.

YES, MR. CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

MR. STOKE, I'M NOW BRIEFLY INTRODUCE THE ITEM AND THEN MR. HALTOM'S GOING TO PINCH HIT FOR ME.

SO BASICALLY THESE TWO CODE SECTIONS WERE ACTUALLY LAST AMENDED AND TO THAT MARCH OF 2019, AND THAT'S WHEN SUBSECTION C AND D WERE ADDED TO 82-236 AND SUBSECTION C, D AND E WERE ADDED TO SECTION 82-511.

SO BASICALLY THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE CHANGE NOW IS THAT CONNECTION FEES WOULD NOW BE PAID FOR WATER OR SEWER SERVICE PRIOR TO RECEIVING THE BUILDING PERMIT.

SO THE CURRENT CODE SECTION STATES THAT FOR A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS CONNECTION FEES WOULD BE PAID AT THE TIME OF APPLICATION FOR SERVICE.

SO NOW THE CONNECTION FEES WOULD BE PAID PRIOR TO RECEIVING THE BUILDING PERMIT, AND SO THIS WOULD NOW BE FOR COMBINED WATER OR SEWER SERVICE

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ALL RIGHT, SUPER.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I'M JUST GOING TO GO QUICKLY THROUGH THE PURPOSE OF THIS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, AND AS YOU ARE FULLY AWARE, THIS BOARD WAS THE REASON WHY THE ORDINANCE WAS AMENDED BACK IN 2019 TO TRY TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER ON CONTRACTORS, AND UNFORTUNATELY, AT THIS TIME, WE ARE SUCH HAVE SUCH LIMITED WATER CAPACITY REMAINING AND WE STILL HAVE A VERY HIGH VOLUME OF BUILDING PERMITS BEING REQUESTED.

WHAT WE FEAR IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES GETTING BUILDING PERMITS ISSUED, BUT YET 4 OR 5 MONTHS LATER, ONCE THE HOME IS BUILT BECAUSE OF OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY IN LINE, ESPECIALLY COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL, WHO PAY THEIR PERMIT FEES OR THEIR CONNECTION FEES UPON ISSUANCE OF THE PERMIT, THEY CAN TAKE THE REMAINING CAPACITY OF THAT WATER SYSTEM, AND NOW WE MAY HAVE A HOME THAT COULD HAVE BEEN BUILT THAT DOES NOT HAVE WATER CAPACITY AVAILABLE.

SO THIS IS THE INTENT OF THIS ORDINANCE.

CHANGE RIGHT NOW IS TO TRY TO AVOID THAT FROM HAPPENING.

SO I CREATED THIS LIST UP HERE REAL QUICK.

AGAIN, MULTIPLE DEVELOPMENTS ARE ONGOING RIGHT NOW.

WE STILL HAVE THE MEADOWS BRICKHOUSE LANDING AND WE ALSO HAVE SOME VACANT LOTS WITHIN OTHER SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR YEARS, INCLUDING [INAUDIBLE] AND MANY OTHERS.

SO WE HAVE ABOUT 137 VACANT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES RIGHT NOW, AND I WANT TO GET TO THAT CHART HERE IN JUST A MINUTE, BUT IF WE CAN'T GUARANTEE WATER, WE CAN'T PROVIDE [INAUDIBLE].

WE CANNOT PERMIT A BUILDING PERMIT TO BE ISSUED.

RIGHT NOW, WE ARE HOLDING UP BUILDING PERMITS FOR THAT REASON.

SO WE'RE JUST REQUESTING THAT WE REMOVE THE PAYMENT OF THE CONNECTION FEES WITH THE ISSUANCE OF THAT BUILDING PERMIT, WHICH WOULD THEN RESERVE THAT CAPACITY FOR THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOME, WHICH WOULD BE THE SAME CASE FOR NOW ALL APPLICANTS.

NOW EVERYBODY WOULD BE ON THE SAME LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.

SO IF ANYBODY REQUESTS WATER, WE CAN REQUEST A BUILDING PERMIT.

WE CAN ENSURE AT THAT TIME THAT WATER IS RESERVED FOR THEM.

I PROVIDED THIS SPREADSHEET UP HERE.

YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO READ THIS ON YOUR SCREEN, BUT THIS JUST SHOWS THE A LIST OF OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN SOME TYPE OF THE PROCESS, EITHER THROUGH REZONING, GOING THROUGH PRELIMINARY PLAT OR ANTICIPATED TO BE GOING INTO THE PROCESS REALLY SOON.

SOME OF THESE HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.

AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS LIST, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE 137 VACANT LOTS AND YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH THE TOTAL CAPACITY NEEDS ARE AND WE'RE ALREADY BELOW THAT NUMBER AS FAR AS WHAT IS ACTUALLY AVAILABLE, THAT NUMBER THAT'S AVAILABLE IS ACTUALLY MUCH HIGHER TODAY THAN IT WAS LAST WEEK DUE TO WHAT WE ARE POTENTIALLY GETTING BACK FROM THE HOLLINGSWORTH COMPANY FOR BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY'VE DOWNSIZED THEIR TENANT.

SO THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT MORE BACK NOW THAN THERE WAS JUST OVER A WEEK AGO, AND THAT'S ABOUT 180,000 MORE TODAY THAN THERE WAS LAST WEEK.

SO THAT WAS THE EMPHASIS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ISSUE CAPACITY TO ANYBODY AT THIS TIME.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GUARANTEE THAT CAPACITY 4 OR 5 MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD.

ONCE THAT HOUSE HAS BEEN BUILT, WE HAVE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

NO, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR.

I THINK WE'RE PRETTY INFORMED ABOUT IT. YEAH WE'VE BEEN BROUGHT UP TO DATE SEVERAL TIMES.

SO ALL OF THE BUILDING PERMITS THAT HAVE BEEN TURNED IN.

THAT'S BEEN APPROVED.

THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR WITH YOUR WATER CAPACITY.

YEAH, WE TRACK THE CAPACITY.

WE HAVE A RUNNING LIST OF ALL THE CAPACITIES COMING IN.

THIS SHEET IS A LITTLE BIT OLDER, BUT IT REFLECTS THE LAST CAPACITY STUDY WE PROVIDED.

SO SOME OF THESE HAVE PROBABLY ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE NUMBERS MATCHED UP WITH THE PRIOR NUMBERS SO YOU UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE ACTUAL NUMBERS ARE BEING AND THEY DO NOT PAY THEIR CONNECTION FEE UNTIL KNOTT WHEN THEY APPLY, BUT WHEN IT'S APPROVED.

WHEN THE SITE PLAN OR THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME BUILDING PERMIT GOES THROUGH THE PLANNING PHASE.

YES, EVERYTHING HAS TO BE APPROVED.

WHEN THEY APPLY FOR THE ACTUAL BUILDING PERMIT WE WILL LOOK AT THE PLAN ITSELF AND IF WE AGREE THAT THE PLAN IS APPROVABLE, THEN THEY WOULD COME IN AND PAY THEIR CONNECTION FEES, WHICH IS A STEP BEFORE THEY CAN ACTUALLY GET THEIR BUILDING PERMIT.

SO WE WOULD ACCEPT THOSE FEES AND SEND THEM BACK DOWNSTAIRS TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WHERE THEY WOULD SHOW THE RECEIPT, AND THEN THEREFORE IF THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING ELSE IN

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SO NOT THE DATE THAT THEY APPLY FOR IT, BUT THE DATE THAT IT'S APPROVED? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY, EVERYBODY ELSE CLEAR? YES, SIR. OKAY, ALL RIGHT, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, AND I'M GONNA OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.

ANYBODY WHO HAS COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST THIS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT IT COME FORWARD AND SPEAK NOW.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TALK, AND SO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ABOUT THE ORDINANCE CHANGE.

NO ONE SIGNED UP, MRS. KNOTT? NO, SIR.

ALL RIGHT, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE CHANGE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR OR AGAINST. COME FORWARD.

GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE, SIR.

GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN HUNTER AND VICE CHAIR WEBB AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

I'M JAY JONES WITH JAMES R.

JONES BUILDER. I JUST HAVE A LITTLE PROBLEM WITH THIS.

I DID A SUBDIVISION. WE WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE ZONING PROCESS IN 2007 FOR BRICKHOUSE L ANDING SUBDIVISION, AND I'VE BEEN GETTING BUILD PERMITS FOR BETWEEN 4 AND 6 FOR FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS SINCE WE RECORDED A PLAT IN 2008, STARTED BUILDING IN 2009.

I HAVE FOUR CONTRACTS RIGHT NOW.

I HAVE ONE PERMIT THAT'S BEEN HELD UP FOR A MONTH AND A HALF NOW WHILE WE'VE BEEN WAITING ON GETTING A APPROVAL AND I MAKE A CALL, FIRST OF ALL, THEY SAID WE HAD TO DO A SOIL SAMPLE.

SO THAT WAS SOMETHING NEW THAT WE HADN'T HAD TO DO IN BRICKHOUSE BECAUSE WE DID ONE WHEN IT WAS FIRST DONE, BUT WE BIT OUR TONGUE AND WENT AHEAD AND DID THAT.

3 OR 4 WEEKS GOES BY, MAKE A PHONE CALL.

NO, YOU NEED TO CALL UTILITIES.

SO WE CALL UTILITIES.

WE HAVE A HOLD UP BECAUSE THERE'S NO WATER CAPACITY.

WHAT MY PROBLEM IS, WHEN WE REZONE THIS SUBDIVISION IN 2007, WE HAD A LINE THAT WAS STUBBED FROM VIRGINIA AMERICAN WATER FROM BRICKHOUSE, LAND SUBDIVISION AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THE ONLY WAY THEY WOULD REZONE IT WAS IF WE AGREED TO HOOK ONTO PRINCE GEORGE WATER SYSTEM NOT VIRGINIA AMERICAN.

SO KIND OF HANDS TIED.

WE DECIDED, WELL, WE'LL HOOK ONTO PRINCE GEORGE AMERICAN.

I MEAN PRINCE GEORGE WATER SYSTEM LINE IS STILL STUBBED OVER, BUT WE'RE ON PRINCE GEORGE WATER SYSTEM.

WE HAD TO UPFRONT PAY FOR ALL AND PROVIDE Y'ALL WITH ALL THE WATER METERS THERE.

WE'RE PAID FOR AND BROUGHT TO THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT AND THEY'RE STILL IN THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT NOW, AND NOW THEY'RE TELLING ME THAT IT'S ON A FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE BASIS.

I HAVE 13 LOTS; IT'S SHOWING 15.

I THINK THAT'S TWO THAT HAVEN'T BEEN HOOKED ONTO YET THAT THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING BUILT.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE 15.

I HAVE 15 LOTS LEFT AND THEY'RE GOING TO TELL ME IT'S A FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE BASIS, AND WE HAVE A SAY.

A BIG COMPANY THAT'S BUILDING IN THE MEADOWS.

THEY HAVE A BLANKET PERMIT SO THEY CAN COME IN AND APPLY FOR ALL THEIR PERMITS ALL AT ONE TIME BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY HAD THOSE HOUSES APPROVED.

BRICKHOUSE LANDING IS A ALL CUSTOM HOUSES, SO IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT LONGER PROCESS TO GO THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS.

SO I CAN'T COME IN TOMORROW AND APPLY FOR 15 BUILDING PERMITS BECAUSE I'VE GOT TO GET THE PLANS, YOU ALL'S PLAN REVIEWS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COME THROUGH.

GO THROUGH EVERY PLAN INDIVIDUALLY AND THEN GET MY PERMIT.

I JUST THINK IT'S KIND OF Y'ALL DROP THE BALL WHEN Y'ALL DID A STUDY ON THIS WATER SYSTEM, Y'ALL KNEW Y'ALL HAD A PROBLEM, AND NOW IT'S COME UP WHEN WE MADE A CALL BRICKHOUSE LANDING WAS INACTIVE.

WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY BUILDING PERMITS AND THAT'S BS BECAUSE LIKE I SAY, WE'VE GOTTEN 4 TO 6 EVERY YEAR FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS AND I PLAN TO DO IT, AND I'VE BEEN DOING THE BUILDING MYSELF.

I DIDN'T DO A DEVELOPMENT AND SELL TO ONE BIG TRACT BUILDER TO COME IN AND BUILD EVERY HOUSE.

I'VE TRIED TO BUILD A QUALITY HOUSE IN PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY, SO I KIND OF THINK THAT I'M GOING TO BE--WELL TIME'S UP.

THANK YOU, MR. JONES, AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE, IS ADDRESS THAT ISSUE SO YOU CAN BE ACCOMMODATED.

SO I THINK BETWEEN YOURSELF AND MR. HALTOM, YOU CAN HOPEFULLY CAN WORK IT OUT.

YEAH. WELL, THANK YOU.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT, SIR.

ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK TO THIS ORDINANCE CHANGE.

OKAY, THANK YOU, MR. JONES. THERE'S NO ONE ELSE COMING FORWARD.

I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE BOARD.

THIS BOARD HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MR. HALTOM.

ANYBODY? NO COMMENTS. NO COMMENTS OR THINGS.

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YES, SIR. PLEASE, AND I APOLOGIZE.

I PROBABLY MISINFORMED MR. JONES IN THE PAST, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY HE'S A LITTLE I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT, UPSET, BUT I THINK HE'S A LITTLE BIT MISINFORMED, AND THAT WAS MY FAULT.

IN THE PAST, WHEN WE DID THE HYDRAULIC ANALYSIS, SOME SUBDIVISIONS WERE INCLUDED BECAUSE I WAS UNAWARE THAT BRICKHOUSE WAS NOT COMPLETELY BUILT OUT.

I WASN'T FOLLOWING IT THAT CLOSELY AT THE TIME, BUT HIS ISSUE IS WHAT BROUGHT THIS TO ATTENTION.

SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOW IS REMOVE EVERYBODY FROM BEING CONSIDERED ON THE BOARD.

THE MEADOWS WILL NOW BE IN LINE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE.

THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PLANNING PROCESS THAT BRICKHOUSE LANDING LOTS WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH.

SO THERE IS NO BLANKET APPROVAL FOR ANYBODY NOW.

SO THIS ACTUALLY PUTS EVERYBODY ON THE SAME STEP.

IF YOU'RE NOT READY TO BUILD, THEN YOU CAN'T GET YOUR BUILDING PERMIT.

YOU CAN'T PAY YOUR CONNECTION FEES, AND RESERVE THAT CAPACITY.

SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S SO MUCH MORE CAPACITY NOW AVAILABLE.

WE REMOVE THAT CAPACITY THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY RESERVED FOR THE MEADOWS AND SOME OTHERS AND PUT IT BACK IN PLAY.

SO NOW EVERYBODY HAS THE SAME OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN, GET THEIR BUILDING PERMIT, PAY THEIR CONNECTION FEES AND RESERVE THAT CAPACITY.

I HOPE THAT CLARIFIES A LITTLE BIT.

IT CLARIFIES IT TO ME.

I HOPE IT HELPS MR. JONES AS WELL.

I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING. YEAH.

MR WEBB.

MR. HALTOM, I FULLY UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE AT.

I'VE BEEN PASSIONATE ABOUT UTILITIES EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD AND WHERE WE'RE HEADED.

I DIDN'T REALIZE WE WERE GOING TO HIT THE WALL QUITE AS QUICK AS WE DID, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.

WE'RE HERE. I DO THINK IT'S A SHAME THAT I KNOW IT'S A FREE ENTERPRISE, BUT WHEN YOU'VE GOT MAINSTAY BUILDERS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE TRADITIONALLY OVER THE YEARS, MULTIPLE YEARS, AND NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, THEY'RE GOING TO GET HUNG UP IN THIS REGARDLESS OF HOW FAIR WE TRY TO BE ABOUT IT.

SO I HOPE WHATEVER SYSTEM WE'VE GOT IN PLACE TO VET THIS STUFF REALLY VETS IT AND MAKE SURE PEOPLE AREN'T JUST GOING TO COME IN HERE AND TRY TO SCOOP UP A BUNCH OF PERMITS AND SAY THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD AND THEN RUN THE SIX MONTHS OUT OR THE 90 DAYS OR THE 180 DAYS AND HAVEN'T EVEN DUG THE FOOTER YET.

I THINK YOU GET MY POINT, AND I HAVE A QUESTION AS WELL.

ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD. DID YOU WANT TO ANSWER MR. WEBB FIRST? WELL, I GUESS NOT AN ANSWER, BUT I GUESS WE ARE AWARE OF THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT CAN COME IN AND PREPARE PLANS, GET THEM APPROVED, AND WE WORK WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HERE IN THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS TO TRY TO DEVELOP SOME ADDITIONAL ORDINANCE THAT WILL REQUIRE THEM TO FORFEIT THEIR CONNECTION FEES IF THEY DON'T START A CERTAIN PROCESS BY A CERTAIN TIME, AND THOSE CONNECTION FEES WOULD COME OR THE CAPACITY WOULD COME BACK TO THE COUNTY SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THOSE WHO ARE READY TO BUILD CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD.

REISSUE IT.

CORRECT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SPEAKING CORRECTLY.

MR. HALTOM BUT IF WE APPROVE THIS TONIGHT, THEN IT STARTS TOMORROW.

THAT'S CORRECT.

I WOULD WANT TO SEE YOU FIX THE PROBLEM THAT MR. JONES HAS BECAUSE THEY DID DO EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO YEARS AGO, AND I THINK BEFORE WE PASS THIS, MY TAKE THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A BUILDER THAT'S BEEN IN PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY FOR YEARS AND HAS DONE MORE THAN JUST BUILD.

BEAUTIFUL HOMES.

THAT SUBDIVISION IS ONE OF THE BEST THAT WE HAVE AROUND.

NOT TO TAKE ANYTHING FROM ANYBODY ELSE, BUT I DO FEEL THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED BEFORE THIS NEW THING GOES INTO PLACE.

ONLY FAIR FOR THEM.

YEAH, AND THE NEW THING GOING IN PLACE HELPS THEM.

THEY CAN COME IN TOMORROW AND GET EVERYTHING THEY NEED.

SO THAT'S WHAT THIS WILL DO MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IS HELP THEM PEOPLE JUST LIKE THEM WHO'VE BEEN HELD, BUT WHAT IF IT CREATES MORE PAPERWORK FOR THEM AND OTHER PEOPLE BEAT THEM TO THE PUNCH? WELL, THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL PAPERWORK.

IT'S THE SAME PROCESS IT'S ALWAYS BEEN.

EVEN BEFORE THIS CAPACITY ISSUE, THEY STILL HAD TO COME IN, GET PLAN APPROVAL AND PAY THEIR CONNECTION FEES BEFORE THAT CAPACITY WAS RESERVED. THAT PART HAS NEVER CHANGED.

IT'S JUST ABOUT OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS SINCE WE'VE GOTTEN DOWN TO THIS SMALL AMOUNT OF CAPACITY, WE ARE ABLE TO ISSUE BUILDING PERMITS BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE CAPACITY AVAILABLE AND THE WAY WE HAD DONE THE HYDRAULIC ANALYSIS, THERE WAS SOME THAT WAS UNINTENTIONALLY RESERVED FOR OTHER SUBDIVISIONS LIKE THE MEADOWS THAT WE ARE NOW ESSENTIALLY SAYING NOW THEY'RE ON THE SAME PLAYING FIELD AS EVERYBODY ELSE, AND THERE'S NOTHING BEING RESERVED FOR ANYONE UNTIL THEY

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I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT AS MR. JONES JUST STATED, HE BUILDS ONE HOUSE AT A TIME, AND I HEARD YOU MAKE A COMMENT THAT YOU WILL NOT RELEASE THAT WATER CAPACITY UNTIL HE'S AT A CERTAIN POINT ON EACH LOT.

OR AM I MISUNDERSTANDING? NO, THEY JUST HAVE TO COME IN AND GET APPROVAL OF THEIR BUILDING PERMIT, AND ONCE THEY HAVE THEIR BUILDING PERMIT READY, THEN THEY HAVE TO COME IN AND PAY THEIR CONNECTION FEES AND THEN THEY CAN START CONSTRUCTION.

I GUESS I'M CONFUSED WHEN YOU SAY GET THEIR BUILDING PERMIT, THEIR PLANS FOR THAT HOUSE, JUST THE PLANS FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL HOUSE, NOT THE SUBDIVISION PLANS JUST FOR THE INDIVIDUAL TO PROBABLY BUILD ALL 13 RIGHT WITHIN A SIX MONTH PERIOD.

THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE, AND THAT'S TRUE OF ALL OF THEM.

EVERYBODY HAS AN INDIVIDUAL SITE PLAN FOR INDIVIDUAL HOMES, AND [INAUDIBLE] AM I INCORRECT HERE.

I'M MISSING SOMETHING? [INAUDIBLE] OKAY, SO IT'S A GENERIC SET OF PLANS FOR THE HOME.

NOTHING AGAINST YOU.

I KNOW WHAT WE'RE IN.

YEAH, I'M JUST HOPING I'M--CUSTOM BUILDER TAT'S NOT RIGHT.

IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN.

YES, PLEASE DO.

MR. CARMICHAEL. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THIS ORDINANCE IS APPROVED, THOSE BUILDING PERMITS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON HOLD BECAUSE OF CAPACITY WOULD BE RELEASED FIRST, AND OF COURSE, MR. JONES IS ONE OF THOSE PERMITS.

IT'S ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WILL PROCESS PERMITS OUR SAME WAY IF YOU BRING US A COUPLE.

OKAY, BUT MOST MOST BUILDERS ARE NOT AT THE POINT THAT THEY ARE READY TO START 10 OR 15 AT A TIME.

EVEN IF YOU'RE A TRACT BUILDER, WE'RE ONLY SEEING IN PRINCE GEORGE A FEW AT A TIME.

THE PERMIT EXPIRES WITHIN SIX MONTHS.

SO ONCE THE SIX MONTHS IS OVER, WE WOULD RELEASE THAT PERMIT.

IF IT HADN'T STARTED, IT EXPIRES.

IT'S NOW VOIDED AND THE CAPACITY WE WOULD BE RETURNED TO UTILITIES FOR ANYBODY ELSE WHO MAY NEED TO APPLY IN ADDITION, I BELIEVE THE CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS OF THE SYSTEM THAT MR. HALTOM IS WORKING ON WILL ADDRESS THIS IS A SHORT TERM SOLUTION IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT BASICALLY FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS OF HAVING THIS PROCESS IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT WHEN YOU DO COME IN AND APPLY FOR A PERMIT, THAT YOU DO NOT START CONSTRUCTION IF YOU DO NOT HAVE CAPACITY.

WE ALSO HAVE SOME OPTIONS IN SOME AREAS OF THE COUNTY OF IF WE EVER DID HIT THAT WALL, AS MR. WEBB SAID, THAT WE COULD LOOK AT WELL IN SEPTIC OPTIONS DEPENDING ON ON THE PROPERTY AND THE LOCATION.

RIGHT, AND AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR A SHORT TERM SOLUTION.

THIS IS NOT PERMANENT SOLUTION FOR THIS RESTRICTION.

ONCE THE CAPACITY ISSUES ARE ADDRESSED, WE WILL NOT BE MONITORING IT SO CLOSELY, AND MISS WALTON, MY ISSUE IS NOT WITH THE THING WE'RE GETTING READY OR MAY GET READY TO DO.

THE ISSUE IS THAT THIS BUILDER WAS TOLD SOMETHING BY THIS COUNTY YEARS AGO AND HE FOLLOWED THE STEPS.

YES, SIR. THAT SHOULD BE GRANDFATHERED, AND THOSE 13 LOTS THAT HE HAS OR 15 SHOULD BE GRANTED THAT CAPACITY OF WATER AND NOT BE HELD TO THESE STANDARDS. THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'M SAYING.

WE SCREWED UP.

SOMEBODY IN THE COUNTY SCREWED UP.

HE FOLLOWED THE RULES.

HE GAVE YOU THE METERS.

HE DID WHAT HE'S SUPPOSED TO DO, AND WE CHANGED THE RULES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GAME, AND NOW HE HAS TO WAIT IN LINE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.

THAT'S MY PERSONAL FEELING.

I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND.

YES, SIR. MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR.

I HAVE A CONCERN, TOO, ON SOMETHING I'VE HEARD AND THIS MAY GO BACK TO MR. HALTOM AND MR. WHITTEN, BUT YOU MADE A STATEMENT THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE AN ORDINANCE CHANGE DOWN THE ROAD WHERE WE CAN PULL BACK THAT ALLOTMENT IF SOMEBODIES PERMIT EXPIRES.

SO RIGHT NOW, TODAY, WE CAN'T.

I GUESS MY CONCERN IS HOW DO WE GIVE A PERMIT TO SOMEBODY AND THEN WE CHANGE THE RULES IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL OF THAT AND TELL THEM THAT, OH, WHEN YOUR PERMIT EXPIRES, SO WE'RE GOING TO CLAW THAT BACK.

THAT TO ME IS LIKE PULLING THE CARPET FROM UNDER SOMEBODY'S FEET.

IF I COME IN AND I GET A BUILDING PERMIT, AND I CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THAT IF I DON'T USE IT, IF I DON'T DO SOMETHING IN SIX MONTHS, THE COUNTY HAS THE RIGHT TO TAKE THAT BACK.

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I'D BE LIVID.

YES, SIR. TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'D BE EXTREMELY LIVID.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND THAT IS NOT THE INTENT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT IS SOMEBODY WHO WHO WANTS TO COME IN AND JUST TAKE IT AND MAKE SURE THEY RESERVE IT FOR THEM FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS TO COME.

THEY HAVE NO INTENTION TO BUILD, EVEN THOUGH THEY PAID THEIR CONNECTION FEES.

IF THEY HAVE AN INTENT TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD, IT'S NOT OUR INTENT TO TAKE IT FROM THEM IF THEY'RE CONTINUING TO MOVE FORWARD.

IF THEY CAN GET THEIR BUILDING PERMIT AND START AND SHOW ANY TYPE OF PROGRESS, IT'S THEIRS.

THE INTENT IS IF THEY'VE SHOWN NO PROGRESS AND NO INTENT TO SHOW PROGRESS, THEN WE DON'T WANT TO HOLD UP EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE COUNTY FROM DEVELOPING OR BUILDING A HOME BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAS TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THE SYSTEM AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT.

WELL, THEN MAYBE THIS BOARD.

I'M SORRY, MR--NO, GO AHEAD.

GO AHEAD. MAYBE THIS BOARD NEEDS TO DECIDE IF SIX MONTHS IS THE ACTUAL TIMEFRAME [INAUDIBLE] YEAH, SIX MONTHS, I BELIEVE, IS SOMETHING FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT.

NOT NECESSARILY RELATED TO THE CONNECTION FEES, BUT RIGHT NOW THERE IS NOTHING TO REMOVE THE CONNECTION FEES.

CONNECTION FEES ONCE PAID, STAYS WITH THE PROPERTY AND WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO TAKE IT BACK AS OF RIGHT NOW, BUT ONCE WE PUT IT IN CODE, WE WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO, IF NECESSARY, UNDERSTAND, YOU DON'T WANT TO LET THEM HOLD ON TO IT FOR FIVE YEARS AND THE BUILDER NEEDS TO MAKE A DECISION.

ARE YOU GOING TO BUILD IT WITHIN ONE YEAR, ONE AND A HALF YEARS? BUT. THE POINT THAT I'M HAVING RIGHT NOW IS WITH THIS PARTICULAR BUILDER WHO DID EVERYTHING RIGHT AND NOW HE'S GOT TO WAIT IN LINE.

I THINK THAT SHOULD BE HONORED AND GRANDFATHERED FOR THAT PARTICULAR ONE AND ANY OTHER BUILDERS THAT MAY FALL IN THAT, AND I HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY OTHER BUILDERS THAT'S IN THAT PREDICAMENT THAT THEY'RE IN.

I'LL LOOK TO THE HISTORY OF THIS, MR. JONES, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING, WE'RE GOING RIGHT BACK TO WHERE HE ALREADY WAS.

HE'S ALREADY AT THE TOP OF THE LINE.

ALL 15 LOTS? WELL, HE DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO PAY FOR THE CONNECTION FEES UP FRONT UNLESS HE'S READY FOR HIS BUILDING PERMIT.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING WITH THAT PARTICULAR THING.

NO, THAT'S NOT EVEN A PROBLEM, BECAUSE THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE.

EVEN PRIOR TO THIS ORDINANCE CHANGE.

IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE.

THE ONLY ISSUE NOW IS WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY ASSURANCE AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE HELD THEM UP.

IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE WHERE FOR PEOPLE TO FOLLOW THOSE PROTOCOLS THAT HE'S ALREADY FOLLOWED, NONE OF THAT HAS CHANGED.

THE ONLY THING THAT'S CHANGED IS WHEN THE CONNECTION FEE GETS PAID.

THAT'S IT.

MR. CHAIR. YES, PLEASE.

I GUESS THE TWO VARIABLES I GOT IS WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING A SPEC HOME, YOU ALSO GOT TO DEPEND ON HAVING A BUYER OR YOU'RE REALLY SPECULATIVE.

THE FEDS JUST WENT UP ANOTHER QUARTER POINT.

INTEREST RATES ARE GOING TO STAY UP FOR A WHILE, PROBABLY THROUGH 24.

THE MORTGAGE RATES HAVE BEEN DECREASING FOR THE LAST FIVE AND A HALF, SIX MONTHS.

SO TECHNICALLY, YOU DEPEND ON WHICH ECONOMIC ADVISOR YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO.

WE'RE IN A RECESSION. WE JUST HAVEN'T HIT IT YET, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A SOFT LANDING, WHATEVER.

I'M NOT BETTING ON IT, BUT THE FLIP SIDE TO IT IS.

I AGREE. WE OUGHT TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING AT THE TOP OF THE LIST.

THAT'S FINE, AND I DON'T CARE WHO KNOWS IT, BUT I WOULD NOT BE, AND MR. JONES, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU STRAIGHT UP, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT LETTING YOU HAVE ALL 15 OR 13, WHATEVER YOU GOT RIGHT NOW FOR THIS REASON, BECAUSE TO ME, IT'D BE THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT THIS BOARD APPARENTLY DID TO SOMEBODY TEN, 12, 15 YEARS AGO WHEN I WASN'T EVEN HERE, AND LEGALLY, I DON'T EVEN THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

I DON'T EVEN THINK WE COULD DO THAT LEGALLY WITHOUT BEING SUED BY SOMEBODY, BUT WE SHOULD HONOR IF HE'S GOT HIS PLANS, HE'S READY TO GO BECAUSE HE'S TAKING A GAMBLE, TOO, IF HE'S GOING TO BUILD A SPEC HOME, IF HE HAS SOMEBODY PULL OUT BECAUSE HE DECIDED HE CAN'T AFFORD THE INTEREST RATE OR THE MORTGAGE AND HE PULLS OUT, THEN HE'S GOT TO SIT ON THAT HOME AFTER HE'S PUT ALL THE MONEY OUT, AND THE WAY THIS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT WILL HELP THEM BECAUSE WHEN HE BUILDS A SPEC HOME, HE'LL HAVE TO HAVE THOSE CONNECTION FEES PAID.

HE'LL HAVE TO PAY IT UP FRONT AND THEN IT'S RESERVED FOR HIM AND HE'S GUARANTEED TO HAVE IT.

I UNDERSTAND.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I DO WANT TO ADD ONE CLARIFICATION TO MR. BROWN'S QUESTION.

SO THE NEW ORDINANCE NOT THE ORDINANCE WE'RE DISCUSSING AN ORDINANCE THAT MR. HALTOM TALKED ABOUT WERE BASICALLY WE WOULD RETURN YOUR CONNECTION FEE AND PULL BACK THE CAPACITY.

SO THAT WOULD ONLY BE EFFECTIVE FOR PROPERTIES AFTER THE DATE THE BOARD APPROVES IT.

IT WOULDN'T BE RETROACTIVE BECAUSE THOSE PROPERTIES WOULD HAVE VESTED RIGHTS.

SO IT WOULD ONLY BE AFTER THAT POINT.

LET'S SAY IT'S APPROVED IN APRIL.

IT'D ONLY BE FOR PROPERTIES AFTER THAT POINT WHERE THE BOARD WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO, LET'S SAY IT WAS SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR, THEN THEY COULD RETURN THE CONNECTION FEE AND PULL BACK THE CAPACITY IF THAT ORDINANCE IS APPROVED.

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HAS THE PUBLIC HEARING BEEN CLOSED? YES, SIR. SORRY.

OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, SIR. OKAY, SO WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEFORE US AND WE HAVE THE OPTION TO EITHER PASS IT OR POSTPONE IT OR FAIL IT.

MR. CHAIRMAN, NOW THAT WE'VE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING, HOW FAR CAN WE POSTPONE OUR DECISION ON THIS WHILE THEY LOOK INTO THE DETAILS OF THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE? CAN WE TAKE THE VOTE NEXT MEETING? CAN I SAY SOMETHING, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES. MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THAT IS IF YOU'VE GOT BUILDERS AND I DON'T KNOW IF MR. JONES DOES OR NOT, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT CONTRACTS OR POTENTIAL SPEC CONTRACTS WAITING TWO WEEKS AND YOU'RE PUTTING IT OFF EVEN FURTHER, THEY COULD WIND UP LOSING THOSE CONTRACTS IF THEY HAVEN'T ALREADY LOST THEM BECAUSE THE 30 DAYS THAT WE'VE HAD THIS WHERE IT'S BEEN EVOLVING.

NOW, I COULD BE WRONG, MR. JONES, IF I AM, SPEAK UP BECAUSE I'M ASKING YOU, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT IT OUT THERE AND I'M WAITING TO BUILD MY HOUSE AND YOU TELL ME I'VE GOT TO WAIT ANOTHER 30 DAYS, I MAY NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO GET THE MONEY IN 30 DAYS, AND I ALREADY HAVE.

SO THAT'S THE CONCERN I'D HAVE WITH WITHOUT PASSING THIS TONIGHT AND DELAYING IT OUT.

OH, YOU'RE FINE, SIR.

YOU'RE FINE. I FULLY UNDERSTAND.

I FEEL I'D PROBABLY BE SAYING A LOT MORE THAN YOU'VE SAID.

SO I RESPECT YOU FOR THAT.

WELL, WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS.

WE CAN EITHER VOTE FOR IT SO PEOPLE CAN MOVE FORWARD, AND HOPEFULLY THE EXAMPLE THAT HE JUST GAVE WON'T HAPPEN, THAT SOMEBODY WILL COME IN AND BUY IT ALL UP.

I THINK HOPEFULLY MR. HALTOM WILL TRY TO PROHIBIT THAT TYPE OF THING FROM HAPPENING.

WELL, MS. WALTON INCLUDED, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT WHEN I SAID MAKE SURE THAT FULLY VETTED, BUT IF WE DON'T PASS IT, THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO HELP HIM. NO, NO.

YOU'RE GOING TO HURT HIM. HE'S ALREADY SAID HE'S GOT FOUR.

I WOULD BE MORE IN FAVOR OF PASSING IT, BUT YET MR. HALTOM AND MS. WALTON, THEY WORKED TOGETHER TO REFINE THE PROCESS.

BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR.

I WOULD VOTE TO APPROVE IT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR FOR THEM TO SIT ON FOR POSSIBLE CONTRACTS THAT THEY COULD LOSE IF WE POSTPONE THIS, I DON'T THINK WE GAIN ANYTHING BY POSTPONING IT.

THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

HE CERTAINLY DOESN'T [INAUDIBLE] STUCK AND WE CAN'T REFINE, WE CAN'T DICTATE THE PROCESS.

WE CAN ASK THEM TO WORK TOGETHER TO WORK OUT A PROCESS, BUT HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE CAPACITY AND MR. WHITTEN WITH ANY ORDINANCE THAT WE PASS.

A SPECIAL EXCEPTION IS ALWAYS AN OPTION.

IF IT'S AUTHORIZED UNDER THE COUNTY CODE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AUTHORITY TO FOR THE BOARD TO ISSUE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.

THAT'S THE OTHER OPTIONS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.

JULIE'S ALREADY AWARE THAT.

OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD SO MOVE THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THIS ORDINANCE, CHANGE TONIGHT AND AGAIN, LEAVE THAT LEAVE THE PROCESS WORK FOR THEM TO IRON THAT OUT.

THANK YOU. HAVE A SECOND? I'M GOING TO SECOND IT.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OTHER COMMENTS? JUST ONE COMMENT BEFORE THE VOTE.

I DON'T MIND VOTING YES IF THIS IS GOING TO MOVE HIM FORWARD, BUT AS MR. BROWN SAID, IT NEEDS MORE ATTENTION TO THAT PARTICULAR MATTER AND WE NEED TO IRON THAT OUT.

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ANY OTHER COMMENTS? HEARING NONE. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

THANK YOU ALL. NEXT P-3 IS A PUBLIC HEARING OF ORDINANCE.

AMEND THE COUNTY CODE 74-301, 302, 304, 306, 310 BY ENACTING 74-304.1 NEW DEFINITION TO ALIGN WITH THE STATE CODE.

THE CHANGE PROCESS WHICH TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAXES ARE COLLECTED.

YES, SIR. YES, MR. CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

MR. STOKE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S QUITE A FEW CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN REQUESTED BY THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE.

THIS WAS A MODEL ORDINANCE THAT OTHER LOCALITIES HAVE BEEN CONSIDERING TO HANDLE THE ACCOMMODATION AND INTERMEDIARIES SUCH AS EXPEDIA, HOTELS.COM OR BASICALLY IF YOU BOOK YOUR HOTEL THROUGH EXPEDIA, IT'S MAKING SURE THAT EXPEDIA IS TURNING OVER THAT TRANSIENT TAX TO THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE.

SO IT'S JUST IRONING OUT THE PROCESS BECAUSE THE STATE CODE HAS CHANGED OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.

SO THE DEFINITIONS ARE BEING CHANGED TO ALIGN WITH THE NEW STATE CODE DEFINITIONS, AND WE'RE ALSO CHANGING SECTION 74-304 TO EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENT PROCESS. IF IT'S AN ACCOMMODATION INTERMEDIARY VERSUS SOMEONE WHO'S JUST PROVIDING THE ACCOMMODATIONS AND THE INDIVIDUAL PROPRIETOR.

ALSO, WE'RE ENACTING SECTION 74-304.1, WHICH SETS OUT THE STEPS TO SEND THE TRANSIENT TAX TO THE COMMISSIONER REVENUE OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT SENDING IT TO THE STATE LIKE THEY DO THE SALES TAXES.

THE ORDINANCE IS IN YOUR PACKET.

THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. WHITTEN REFERENCE TO THE ORDINANCE CHANGE TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE REFERENCE TO THE TRANSIENT COLLECTIONS? NO, SIR. NO, SIR. OKAY, SO WE'RE GOING TO OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC.

THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE CODE OF THE COUNTY, REFERENCE TO THE NEW DEFINITION TO ALIGN WITH THE STATE CODE FOR THE PROCESS IN WHICH TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAXES ARE COLLECTED.

ANY COMMENTS? ANY PERSON SPEAKING FOR OR AGAINST THIS ORDINANCE CHANGE AMENDMENT.

ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE CODE OF THE COUNTY TO LINE WITH THE STATE CODE FOR THE CHANGE OF THE PROCESS.

WHICH TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAXES ARE COLLECTED.

SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TURN IT BACK TO THE BOARD.

MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION.

I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THIS AMENDMENT TO THE TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX ORDINANCE.

SECOND. GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY QUESTIONS? ANY DISCUSSION.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

P-4 UNDER SECTION 13 IS THE WALTON SCHOOL IS CURRENTLY A POLLING LOCATION FOR RIVES ROAD. PRECINCT FOR THE RIVES PRECINCT, EXCUSE ME, AND THE BOARD OF ELECTION REGISTRARS HAVE LOOKED INTO SECURING A NEW POLLING LOCATION FOR THE RIVES PRECINCT SACRED HEART CHURCH ON COMMUNITY LANE, OFF OF 460 AND THE CENTRAL WELLNESS CENTER, LOCATED AT 11023 PRINCE GEORGE DRIVE, ARE POSSIBLE LOCATIONS.

YES, SIR. YES, MR. CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. MR. STOKE, THIS BOARD PREVIOUSLY HAD A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING USING SACRED HEART CATHOLIC CHURCH AS THE LOCATION FOR THE RIVES NUMBER 104 PRECINCT. WALTON ELEMENTARY DID CLOSE FEBRUARY 17TH OF THIS YEAR.

THE BOARD HAVE REQUESTED TO LOOK AT ADDITIONAL LOCATION, WHICH IS THE CENTRAL WELLNESS CENTER, WHICH IS OWNED BY THE COUNTY AND IS ADA ACCESSIBLE AND WHICH IS LOCATED AT 11023 PRINCE GEORGE DRIVE.

TO MAKE THE CHANGE, THE BOARD DOES NEED TO AMEND COUNTY CODE SECTION 30-62 TO DESIGNATE THE NEW POLLING LOCATION.

THE REGISTRAR'S OFFICE WOULD THEN SEND LETTERS TO THE PUBLIC WHO LIVE IN THE PRECINCT ADVISING THEM OF THE NEW LOCATION, AND THEN MY OFFICE WOULD ALSO SEND A NOTIFICATION TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE THAT THE POLLING LOCATION HAS BEEN MOVED.

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THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.

OKAY, NOW, DO YOU SEND THE ADVERTISEMENT OFF FIRST TO THE STATE OR DOES THE COUNTY SEND IT? IF THIS IS APPROVED TONIGHT, I'LL SEND IT TOMORROW TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND THEN THE REGISTRAR'S OFFICE HAS THEIR PROCESS FOR WHEN THE NOTICE IS SENT UP.

OKAY, NOW, BUT LAST TIME WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE CENSUS DISTRICT, WE CHANGED THE PRECINCT.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE RESPONDED PRETTY QUICKLY.

WE CHANGED IT FROM THE COURTHOUSE WHEN WE CHANGED THAT POLLING LOCATION TO ABUNDANT LIFE, I BELIEVE.

ABUNDANT LIFE, YES, SIR.

OKAY, SO WILL WE BE CHANGING BOTH OF THOSE TO ONE FROM TO THE NEW MIDDLE ROAD SCHOOL AS WELL? OR IS THAT ONE--THAT ONE HAS ALREADY BEEN CHANGED.

THAT WAS CHANGED AT THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING.

OKAY, I KNEW WE--I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAD TAKEN CARE OF ALL THAT.

OKAY, ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CHANGE THE POLLING LOCATION FROM WHAT WAS WALTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TO EITHER THE SACRED HEART OR TO CWC.

ANY COMMENTS? JUST TELL US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND MY NAME IS JENNIFER [INAUDIBLE].

I LIVE AT 4163 BAXTER RIDGE DRIVE.

SO I VOTE IN REEVES.

TO ME, WALTON WAS SUPER CONVENIENT, BUT I THINK AS A VOTER, THAT CENTRAL WELLNESS CENTER IS A BETTER PLACE FOR US TO GO VOTE.

ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS I FEEL THAT WAY IS A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT RELIGIOUS, DON'T ENJOY GOING INTO A CHURCH.

SOMETIMES IT MIGHT BE A REASON TO STOP SOMEONE FROM VOTING, AND I THINK NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE VOTE.

NO MATTER WHAT PARTY YOU ARE.

NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE ARE VOTING ANYMORE AND THEY DON'T NEED ANOTHER REASON TO NOT GO VOTE.

SO THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU.

GOOD POINT. THANK YOU. OKAY, ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ORDINANCE? ANYONE SPEAKING FOR OR AGAINST THE ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE CODE OF COUNTY TO CHANGE THE POLLING LOCATION.

OKAY, NOW WE HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE, I SUPPOSE.

YES. THANK YOU. YEAH.

SO I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TURN IT BACK TO THE BOARD SO THE BOARD HAS THE OPTION TO CHANGE IT TO THE SACRED HEART OR TO THE CWC. MR. CHAIRMAN, IN THE LAST MEETING WE HAD, I CLEARLY STATED MY REASONS FOR WHY I FELT CWC WAS BETTER.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO BACK THROUGH ALL OF THOSE.

IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE IT, YOU CAN GO BACK AND STREAM A MEETING FROM A COUPLE WEEKS AGO , BUT IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS FROM ANY OF THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, I WOULD SO MOVE THAT WE WOULD MAKE THE POLLING PRECINCT FOR THE RIVES DISTRICT 104 TO BE AT THE CENTRAL WELLNESS CENTER.

THANK YOU, SIR, AND I WILL SECOND THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN.

MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

OKAY, THAT'S ALL THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

[ORDER OF BUSINESS (PART 2 OF 2)]

A-3 IS A RESOLUTION REGARDING THE EXTENSION OF THE DUE DATE FOR THE REAL ESTATE TAXES.

THAT'S ME AS WELL. YES, SIR.

YES, MR. CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

MR. STOKE. SO, PURSUANT TO PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY CODE 74-1 HALF OF THE TAXES FOR REAL ESTATE ARE DUE ON JUNE 5TH.

JUNE 5TH IS A BUSINESS DAY, NOT A BUSINESS DAY.

THEN IT'S THE FOLLOWING.

JUNE 5TH. SORRY JUNE 5TH FALLS ON A WEEKEND, THAT'S THE NEXT BUSINESS DAY, AND SECTION 74-2 REGARDS PERSONAL PROPERTY, MOBILE HOMES AND MACHINERY AND TOOLS TAXES, AND THE CODE SECTION ALSO STATES THAT THE TAXES ARE DUE ON JUNE 5TH OR IF IT FALLS ON A WEEKEND OR NOT A BUSINESS DAY, IT'S THE FOLLOWING DAY AND THEN ALSO SECTION 38-82 OF THE COUNTY CODE IS THE STORMWATER UTILITY CHARGE WHICH ARE DUE IN TWO EQUAL INSTALLMENTS ON DECEMBER 5TH AND JUNE 5TH, AND SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO CHANGE THE DATE FOR ALL OF THESE TAXES AND THE STORMWATER UTILITY FEES FROM JUNE 5TH TO JUNE 16TH, WHICH IS A FRIDAY THAT WOULD ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO PAY ON THAT FRIDAY.

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SO IF THEY'RE MAILING IT IN, BUT IF THEY'RE DROPPING IT OFF OR PAYING ONLINE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PAID THAT FRIDAY THE 16TH.

THERE IS A RESOLUTION IN YOUR PACKET FOR CONSIDERATION.

THE TREASURER IS HERE AS WELL TONIGHT.

WE'VE DONE THIS THE PAST FEW YEARS.

WE'VE EXTENDED THE DATE.

THIS YEAR IS BECAUSE THE STATE OBVIOUSLY HAS NOT PASSED THE FULL BUDGET.

THEY PASSED A SKINNY BUDGET.

SO WE'RE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND BECAUSE THE STATE GIVEN US THE FULL NUMBERS.

SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TREASURER'S OFFICE HAS ENOUGH TIME TO SEND OUT THE TAX STATEMENT IN THE MAIL TO THE CITIZENS.

SO IF THE DATE WAS CHANGED TO JUNE 16TH, THIS WOULD GIVE HER ENOUGH TIME TO KNOW AFTER WE HAVE AFTER WE APPROVE, AFTER THE BOARD APPROVES THE TAX RATES, THAT SHE CAN SEND THE NOTICE OUT. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. WHITTEN? I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.

I REALLY HAVE MORE OF A COMMENT.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH US CHANGING THE DATE, BUT I KNOW FOR THE LAST--COUNTING THIS YEAR--LAST THREE YEARS, WE'VE CHANGED IT FOR SOME REASON, WHETHER IT WAS BECAUSE WE GOT STUFF OUT LATE.

I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO JUST ALSO SIT DOWN AND SAY BECAUSE WE KEEP RUNNING INTO THIS EVERY YEAR, DOES JUNE THE 5TH REALLY MAKE SENSE? INSTEAD OF EVERY YEAR WE GET NEAR THAT DATE AND WE GET PEOPLE CONFUSED BECAUSE WE CHANGE THE DATE.

SO IT'S NOT ANYTHING FOR TONIGHT DEALING WITH THE CHANGE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I'D LIKE TO ASK THAT COLLECTIVELY WE LOOK AT WHETHER WE SHOULD BE MOVING THAT OUT A WEEK OR MORE EVERY, YOU KNOW, AS A PERMANENT TIME BECAUSE OF THE THINGS THAT STATE IS KNOWN FOR, NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE THEIR BUDGETS DONE ON TIME, WHICH AFFECTS ALL OF US.

MAYBE MRS. VARGO WOULD HAVE SOME INPUT ON THAT TOO.

IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.

WE DID SIT DOWN WITH THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE AND MRS. VARGO, THE TREASURER, AND DISCUSSED THAT.

BOTH THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE AND MRS. VARGO DID HAVE CONCERNS WITH CHANGING THE DATE PERMANENTLY, BUT SHE CAN SPEAK TO THAT.

I'M NOT SURE IF MS. ROUSEY IS HERE, BUT MS. VARGO--I GUESS I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS WHEN WE SAY THE FIFTH AND THE LAST THREE YEARS WE'VE CHANGED IT.

SO THE REASON WHY, ACCORDING TO THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE, IF YOU HAVE A BOAT, FOR INSTANCE, AND LET'S SAY YOU LIVE IN CHESTERFIELD, BUT YOUR BOAT'S AT JORDAN POINT MARINA AND IF CHESTERFIELD, IF THEIR TAX DAY IS JUNE 5TH AND YOU PAY THE TAXES, THEN AND THEN WE BILL AND OUR DATES, LET'S SAY JUNE 16TH, THEN TECHNICALLY YOU'RE GONNA BE ARGUING TO GET A REFUND OR NOT HAVE TO PAY THE TAX, AND PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY WAS THE ARGUMENT THAT THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE OFFICE WAS MAKING WAS PRIMARILY REGARDING BOATS THAT WERE TWO DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS COULD BE TAXING THEM.

AS FAR AS THE TREASURER, I THINK HER CONCERNS WERE THERE IS A TREASURER'S CONFERENCE WHERE ALL THE TREASURERS ATTEND ACROSS THE STATE.

IT'S IN JUNE, SO THAT COULD INTERFERE WITH THE CONFERENCE SHE GOES TO, BUT UNDER THE STATE CODE YOU CAN ACTUALLY CHANGE THE DATE TO WHATEVER DATE THE BOARD PLAYS US.

I KNOW IN HOPEWELL, I THINK THEY BILL IN FEBRUARY AND OTHER LOCALITIES, IT'S DIFFERENT PLACES.

YEAH, I'M NOT TRYING TO HOLD THIS UP.

I'M JUST ASKING FOR THERE TO BE FURTHER CONVERSATION AROUND THAT.

YES, BECAUSE IT COULD WORK BOTH WAYS.

IF SOMEBODY HAS A BOAT IN CHESTERFIELD AND THEY PAY IT ON JUNE 5TH HERE, THEN THEY CAN HAVE AN ARGUMENT IN CHESTERFIELD.

RIGHT. SO IT'S LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S GOOD FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, [INAUDIBLE] NOT TO HOLD UP THIS DISCUSSION.

YEAH. OKAY, SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, I'D SO MOVE THAT WE WOULD VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS CHANGE.

OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMENTS? NONE.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

OH, I'M SORRY, BUT THE BOARD NEEDS TO TAKE A BRIEF RECESS, SO WE'RE GOING TO BE IN RECESS FOR A FEW MINUTES.

MEETING BACK TO ORDER.

WHAT DO WE HAVE LEFT HERE? A COUPLE ITEMS. YEAH.

DO YOU WANT TO DO THESE THINGS OR DO YOU WANT TO GO WITH THE NEW ITEM? OKAY, YOU CAN FINISH YOUR CORE AGENDA FIRST.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, YOU HAVE A-4 DRAFT MINUTES OF MARCH 14TH REGULAR MEETING AND MARCH 16TH BUDGET WORK SESSION IN YOUR PACKET FOR APPROVAL.

MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS ON THE MINUTES, I WOULD SO MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES.

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ANY DISCUSSION? NO, SIR. HEARING NONE. CALL THE ROLL.

ALL RIGHT, [INAUDIBLE] HAVE A-5.

HELLO. GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING.

YES, I WILL BE BRIEF.

I'M COMING BEFORE YOU BECAUSE I HAVE APPLIED FOR A MINI GRANT.

RECEIVED THE FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OF $5,200, AND IT CAME TO US VERY QUICKLY.

WE WERE NOTIFIED WITHIN A WEEK AND WE HAD TO APPLY WITHIN THAT WEEK IN ORDER TO SECURE THE GRANT.

THE GRANT IS ONE OF THE INITIATIVE OF THE GOVERNOR CALLED THE SAFE AND SOUND TASK FORCE AND THE BENEFIT OF THE OF THE GRANT.

THERE ARE MANY THINGS YOU CAN DO WITH IT, BUT WHAT WE DID WITH IT, WHICH WAS ALLOWED, IS TO PROVIDE SAFETY AND COMFORT FOR FAMILIES WHO COME TO OUR AGENCY TO VISIT FOR FOSTER CHILDREN WHO MAY BE STUCK IN OUR AGENCY OVERNIGHT. I HOPE THAT NEVER HAPPENS, BUT THAT GRANT ALLOWS US TO PREPARE AND TO MAKE THE EXPERIENCE OF COMING TO SOCIAL SERVICES FOR FOSTER CHILDREN, FAMILIES AND FOSTER PARENTS MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE.

WE ALSO INCLUDED BUYING A PULLOUT SOFA AND LUGGAGE SO THAT FOSTER CHILDREN CAN MOVE WITH DIGNITY WHEN THEY HAVE A CHANGE IN PLACEMENT, THAT THEY CAN HAVE LUGGAGE THAT REALLY, TRULY BELONG TO THEM.

SO I'M JUST ASKING THAT YOU ALL WILL ALLOW ME TO ACCEPT THOSE FUNDS.

THERE IS NO LOCAL MATCH REQUIRED AND WE HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY BY THE END OF MAY.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? NO, SIR. I'M GOOD. NO QUESTIONS.

ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO PASS THE RESOLUTION.

SO MOVED. HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, NEXT, WE HAVE TO BRING SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA A-6.

WE HAVE A MOTION FROM MR. WHITTEN. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM MR. BROWN. [INAUDIBLE].

MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE BEEN OR MR. WHITTEN HAS SUBMITTED HIS RESIGNATION EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.

SO I WOULD SO MOVE THAT THE BOARD WOULD ACCEPT HIS RESIGNATION, SIR.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

A-7 WILL BE THE APPOINTMENT OF THE ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY AS THE INTERIM COUNTY ATTORNEY.

OKAY, AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD SO MOVE THAT WE WOULD APPOINT OUR ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY TO BE THE INTERIM COUNTY ATTORNEY IN THE MEANTIME, UNTIL THE POSITION IS FILLED.

ALL RIGHT, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. CALL THE ROLL.

APRIL 11TH IS OUR NEXT MEETING.

SO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN UNTIL APRIL 11TH.

MOVE, MR. CHAIRMAN. HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

CALL THE ROLL.

MEETING'S ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.