[CALL TO ORDER]
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WELCOME, EVERYONE, TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
MR. BRESKO WILL HAVE THE INVOCATION AND TAMMY ANDERSON WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL DAY THAT YOU SENT US TODAY.
GUIDE US AS WE GO THROUGH OUR AGENDA AND BRING EACH CASE TO OUR ATTENTION AND GIVE US THE WISDOM TO FOR THE WAYS TO BETTER THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE GIVEN US AND LEAD US SAFELY HOME TONIGHT AFTER THE MEETING.
OH, GOD. I DON'T WANT YOU TO HEAR ME.
NOW I NEED A MOTION TO AND A SECOND TO ADOPT THE AGENDA FOR MARCH THE 23RD, 2023 MEETING.
[ADOPTION OF AGENDA]
MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DRAFT MINUTES OF THE TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 24TH MEETING MINUTES AS WRITTEN.CALL THE ROLL. THIS IS THE AGENDA.
THIS WAS. EXCUSE ME. THIS IS THE AGENDA.
AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IN WHICH ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSIONERS ON ANY ITEMS NOT BEING HELD AS PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS THIS EVENING, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND LIMIT YOUR TIME TO THREE MINUTES.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
NOW IT COMES TO THE COMMISSIONERS COMMENT PERIOD AND I WOULD LIKE TO
[COMMISSIONERS’ COMMENTS]
ASK HOW MANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS CAN PICK UP THEIR PACKETS FROM THE COURTHOUSE IF WE ARE GIVEN A TIME WHEN THEY ARE READY RATHER THAN THEY RATHER THAN THEM HAVING TO BE DELIVERED TO OUR HOUSES? YEAH, DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS, I CAN.ARE THEY NORMALLY LIKE READY FRIDAY AT SOME POINT IN TIME BEFORE THE MEETING.
HAVE DELIVERED THEM ON THURSDAY AND WE HAVE RECENTLY BEEN HAVING THEM READY THE DAY BEFORE THAT.
OKAY. SO THE ONES THAT WORK OUT OF THE AREA, LIKE I KNOW MRS. ANDERSON DOES, THEN THAT WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM IN DELIVERING THAT ONE TO THE HOUSE.
UM. ARE YOU GOING TO KNOW? WHAT? HE SAID THEY WOULD SO WE COULD SEND OUT A NOTICE, A NOTICE THAT WHEN THEY WERE READY.
AND IF WE DON'T HEAR BACK THEN, WE COULD THEN WE WOULD ASSUME THAT YOU'RE COMING TO PICK IT UP.
BUT IF YOU TELL US WE NEED IT, WE CAN'T MAKE IT.
WE NEED IT DELIVERED. THEN WE COULD MAKE SURE TO DELIVER IT.
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BUT WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW AS SOON AS WE SEND THAT NOTICE.WHEN I'M WORKING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
WE CAN KEEP YOU ON THIS DELIVERY LIST THEN.
DEFINITELY. NO WAY I WOULD BE. YEAH, I COULD PICK MINE UP EVERY WEEK.
OKAY. AND WE WOULD LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO PICK THEM UP.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? EITHER WAY? OKAY.
YEAH, WE'LL SEND A NOTICE OUT WHEN THE PACKETS ARE READY FOR PICKUP AND, AND YES YOU WOULD RESPOND BACK TO LET US KNOW OR IF YOU KNOW IN ADVANCE YOU CAN LET US KNOW BUT WE'LL START DOING A NOTICE WHEN THEY'RE READY.
DID YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, JOE? JOE. MR. SIMMONS. DID YOU UNDERSTAND THAT ABOUT PICKING UP YOUR PACKET OR LETTING THEM KNOW? OKAY. OKAY.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THIS TIME.
ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT? OKAY. THEN.
NOW WE GO TO OUR ORDER OF BUSINESS.
[ORDER OF BUSINESS]
FIRST WE NEED TO HAVE A AFTER YOU REVIEW IT, THE WORK SESSION MINUTES.WE NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE ONES FOR FEBRUARY THE 21ST 2023.
MAKE A MOTION THAT THEY BE APPROVED IF THERE IS NO ADDITIONS OR AMENDMENTS.
SECOND IT. OK CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
THANK YOU. NEXT, WE NEED YOU TO REVIEW THE BUSINESS MEETING MINUTES OF FEBRUARY THE 23RD, 2023, AND I NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE.
SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
OKAY. NOW WE'LL ASK MRS. WALTON TO COME AND EXPLAIN THE VACATION OF THE PLAT S 2301.
GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING BEHIND TAB FOUR IN YOUR PACKET IS REQUEST FOR A A PLAT VACATION WHICH IS A REQUEST TO UNDO A PLAT THAT WAS RECORDED RECENTLY AND RESTORE THE PARCELS TO THEIR PREVIOUS CONDITION.
THERE ARE SEVERAL REQUIREMENTS GOVERNING A REQUEST TO VACATE A RECORDED PLAT.
WE RECEIVED THIS REQUEST FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR PARCELS THAT WERE CONSOLIDATED LAST YEAR IN ORDER TO MEET MINIMUM ACREAGE REQUIREMENTS FOR A POTENTIAL SOLAR FACILITY.
ALL RELATED PARCELS ARE STILL OWNED BY THE ORIGINAL OWNER WHO CONSOLIDATED THE PARCELS.
THE PROPOSED SOLAR FACILITY DID NOT MOVE FORWARD AND THE PROPERTY OWNER NOW WISHES TO VACATE THE RECORDED PLAT AND RETURN THE INDIVIDUAL PARCELS TO THEIR PREVIOUS STATE.
BOTH COUNTY CODE AND STATE LAW HAVE PROVISIONS ON HOW TO PROCEED WITH THIS TYPE OF REQUEST.
THIS IS A COPY OF THE CONSOLIDATION PLAT, WHICH IS ALSO INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
THE COUNTY CODE SECTIONS RELATED TO VACATING A PLAT CONTAIN TWO OPTIONS ONE UNDER 7802 IS WHEN THE OWNERS REQUEST IT AND 804 IS WHEN THE BOARD DOES AN ORDINANCE OF VACATION.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TWO THOSE TWO OPTIONS IS THAT AN OWNER CAN REQUEST IT IF NO SALE OF ANY LOTS THAT WERE CONSOLIDATED HAS OCCURRED. THE OWNERS CAN REQUEST THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS VACATE IT BY RESOLUTION.
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VACATES THE PLAT.THE PROPERTY OWNER AND STAFF ARE REQUESTING THE PLAT VACATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH 802.
AND BASICALLY THE SAME TWO CHOICES AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND STAFF ARE REQUESTING THE PLAT VACATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH OPTION ONE BY CONSENT RESOLUTION OF THE GOVERNING BODY.
SO THE ACTIONS REQUIRED FOR THIS IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD REVIEW AND HEAR THIS CASE TONIGHT AND FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD.
AND THE BOARD WOULD REVIEW AND CONSIDER THIS ACTION AT A FUTURE MEETING.
AND WHAT STAFFS AND THE COMMISSION'S TASK IS IS REVIEWING WHETHER THIS PLAT IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IN YOUR PACKET, IN YOUR STAFF REPORT STAFF HAS OUTLINED FOR YOU THE CONDITIONS OF THE REVIEW AND THIS WAS UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT IS A RESIDENTIAL ZONED AREA AT THIS TIME AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IN YOUR COMP PLAN, DOES IDENTIFY IT STILL AS RESIDENTIAL.
SO THIS REQUEST WOULD STAY IN LINE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IS ELIGIBLE FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. THERE IS NO PUBLIC HEARING REQUIRED FOR THIS.
OKAY. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, I NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND TO FORWARD IT TO THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL.
I MOVED FOR THE VACATION REQUESTS S 2301 TO THE BOARD WITH RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.
IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE FUTURE LAND USE.
NOW WE COME TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS]
THE FIRST ONE, MRS. WALTON, WILL EXPLAIN TO US ABOUT THE REZONING.IN YOUR PACKET BEHIND TAB FIVE IS THE RZ 2206 REQUEST.
IT IS A REQUEST TO AMEND A CURRENT CONDITIONS AND PROFFERS OF A SUBDIVISION REQUEST OF JAMES R JONES BUILDER TO AMEND THE PROFFERS OF THE REZONING CASE FROM 2003 RELATING TO BUFFER REQUIREMENTS, MINIMUM HOUSE SIZE AND NUMBER OF BUILDING PERMITS PERMITTED PER YEAR.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONED RE RESIDENTIAL STATE AND IT IS APPROXIMATELY 120 ACRES WITH FRONTAGE ON BULL HILL ROAD AND COURTHOUSE ROAD.
THIS IS A COPY OF THE LOCATION MAP THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET.
SO THIS IS AT THE INTERSECTION NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF BULL HILL AND COURTHOUSE.
AS STATED, THIS PROPERTY WAS REZONED IN 2003 TO RE BY A FORMER PROPERTY OWNER AND JAMES R JONES BUILDER HAS ACQUIRED THIS PROPERTY RECENTLY AND TAKEN ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY AND HAS REQUESTED THOSE THREE CHANGES.
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PALE YELLOW IS RA WHICH IS A LOWER DENSITY THAN THE RE.THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE AREA.
THE FIELD HAS BEEN FARMED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS PRIOR TO AND SINCE THE REZONING IN 2003.
IN THE BACKGROUND OF THIS IS WHEN THE PREVIOUS OWNER BROUGHT THE REZONING CASE REQUEST FORWARD.
THE APPLICANT'S PROFFERED CONDITIONS, WHICH WERE ACCEPTED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR AND THEY ADDRESSED SEVERAL ISSUES BUFFERS, PUBLIC UTILITIES, ROADS, HOUSE SIZE, MINIMUM PHASING OF CONSTRUCTION, CONSTRUCTION AND CASH PROFFERS.
SO THE APPLICANT HAD HAS REQUESTED TO AMEND THREE OF THOSE PROFFERS.
PROFFER NUMBER ONE REGARDING THE SCREENING ON BULL HILL ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF BULL HILL ROAD.
THE ORIGINAL PROFFERS HAD CONTAINED A CONDITION TO BUILD A BERM, WHICH IS A MOUND OF DIRT WITH WITH JUST GRASS ON IT, AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE THAT WITH A MIXTURE OF SHRUBS AND TREES RATHER THAN THE BERM.
PROFFER NUMBER FOUR, WHICH ADDRESSED MINIMUM HOUSE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE REQUIREMENT FOR ALL HOMES TO HAVE A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 3000FT².
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REPLACE THAT WITH A CONDITION THAT ALL ONE STORY HOMES SHALL HAVE A MINIMUM OF 1800 SQUARE FEET AND ALL TWO STORIES, TWO STORY HOMES SHALL HAVE A MINIMUM OF 2000FT².
AND THIS EXCLUDES ANY EXTERIOR DECKS, GARAGES, STORAGE AREAS.
THIS IS FOR LIVING SQUARE FEET.
AND THE THIRD REQUEST IS UNDER PROFFER NUMBER FIVE, TO AMEND THE CONDITION, LIMITING THE DEVELOPER TO 15 BUILDING PERMITS PER YEAR AND INCREASE THAT TO 20 PER YEAR.
SO THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT THAT WAS SUBMITTED IN 2003.
IT DOES SHOW TWO ENTRANCES OFF OF BULL HILL AND IT SHOWS THE WETLANDS AREA TOWARDS THE BACK AT THE COURTHOUSE END.
SO THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT.
THE NEW APPLICANT WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE A NEW CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT AT SOME POINT, BUT THIS IS THE GUIDELINE FOR HIM AND DEVELOPING THIS IS WHAT WAS APPROVED.
THE SPECIFIC COMMENTS FROM PLANNING AND ZONING STAFF ARE INCLUDED HERE.
THE ZONING DISTRICT WILL NOT CHANGE.
THE OTHER PROFFER CONDITIONS WILL NOT CHANGE ONLY THE THREE AMENDED REQUESTED AMENDED CONDITION.
AT THIS TIME, NO ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS ARE RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
THE PROFFERED CONDITIONS ARE APPROPRIATE AND THE AMENDMENTS REQUESTED REFLECT CURRENT BUILDING AND ZONING STANDARDS FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. THERE ARE SOME ISSUES AND CONCERNS OF VDOT AS WELL AS SOME STATEMENTS FROM PUBLIC UTILITIES CONCERNING CAPACITY OF THIS TIME.
IT IS MAINLY SOME CONCERNS WITH THE LANGUAGE USED OVER 20 YEARS AGO.
AS FAR AS THE PUBLIC UTILITY AND THE CAPACITY ISSUES, THE APPLICANT IS AWARE THAT OUR UTILITY DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY HAS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS UNDERWAY TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY, AND THE ANTICIPATED COMPLETION OF THOSE IS
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2025, AND THAT TIME FRAME DOES GIVE THE APPLICANT TIME TO GET SITE PLANS AND PLATS DONE AND INITIAL WORK DONE BEFORE THEY WOULD BE LOOKING TO ACTUALLY BUILD HOUSES.SO I'M FAIRLY CONFIDENT THE TIMING WOULD WORK OUT FINE AND WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE.
AGAIN, HERE ARE THE COMMENTS FROM UTILITY.
THEY'RE ALSO INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
SO ON THE PUBLIC NOTICE AND COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, WE DID A MALE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS ANNOUNCEMENT AND NOTIFICATION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE LEGAL ADS WERE RUN IN THE PROGRESS INDEX.
THE APPLICANT REVIEWED A COPY OF THIS REPORT PRIOR TO THE HEARING, AND AS OF TO DATE, NO COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY WERE RECEIVED PRIOR TO FINALIZING YOUR REPORTS.
SO THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE IN THE REVISED PROFFERS OUT OF ALL OF THEM CONTAINED IS LISTED HERE FOR YOUR REVIEW. THIS IS THE STRIKETHROUGH LANGUAGE IS WHAT WOULD BE REMOVED.
THE BOLD UNDERLINE IS WHAT WOULD REPLACE IT.
SO AGAIN, IN PROFFER ONE ON BUFFERS THE EARTHEN BERM WOULD BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH A MIXTURE OF SHRUBS AND TREES.
UNDER PROFFER NUMBER FOUR, THE HOUSE SIZE MINIMUM WOULD BE CHANGED FROM 3000 TO THE CHOICE OF 1800 FOR A SINGLE STORY AND 2000 FOR A TWO STORY.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS FOR APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO THE PROFFERED CONDITIONS OFFERED BY THE APPLICANT AND THE ORIGINAL PROFFER CONDITIONS THAT WERE NOT PROPOSED TO BE AMENDED.
AND THIS RECOMMENDATION IS BASED ON ON SEVERAL CONSIDERATIONS.
THE REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE CURRENT AND FUTURE SURROUNDING LAND USE.
WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE LAND USE.
IT WILL STAY RE, IT WILL STAY THE SAME SUBDIVISION LAYOUT IN GENERAL THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK AND THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED CHANGES TO THE PROFFER CONDITIONS WHICH STAFF FINDS APPROPRIATE FOR OUR CURRENT BUILDING PRACTICES AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TRENDS THAT WE ARE SEEING.
THE EARTHEN BERMS ARE NOT AS POPULAR AS THEY WERE BEFORE AND THEY ALSO REQUIRE A LOT OF MAINTENANCE AND DO TEND TO GATHER TRASH AT THE BOTTOMS AND DO REQUIRE A LOT OF MAINTENANCE.
AND WE COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE REQUEST TO HAVE MORE OF A LANDSCAPED LOOK THAN AN EARTHEN WALL.
ALSO, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE SIZES.
WE HAVE SEEN THE TREND FROM THOSE LARGE, LARGE HOUSES OF THE PAST TO MORE MODERATE SIZE AS WELL AS PRICES HAVE CONTINUED TO RISE ON CONSTRUCTION.
AND SOMETIMES THOSE LARGER HOUSES ARE JUST NOT FEASIBLE FOR OUR ECONOMIC MARKET.
SO STAFF IS AGREEABLE WITH THESE CHANGES.
AT THIS TIME IN YOUR PACKET, THERE ARE SOME SAMPLE MOTIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE AS WELL AND AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY FOR THEM BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IN REVIEWING THIS, THE PROFFER NUMBER SIX, THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL IN 20 YEARS AGO, IN 2003 WAS THE DEVELOPER THAT WAS PLANNED FOR THIS APPROVAL TO COVER 15 BUILDINGS PER YEAR ON A CUMULATIVE BASIS OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD OF TIME.
I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT RATE OF $2,500 PER LOT WOULD HAVE WAS THE STANDARD RATE AT THAT TIME.
IT HAS BEEN WELL OVER THE FIVE YEARS THAT THIS APPROVAL WAS MADE.
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THE COUNTY CHARGES, EVEN AT THE TIME THAT THIS WAS PROPOSED, WAS PROBABLY MORE LIKE 10,000.AND THE BOARD ACCEPTED A REDUCED PROFFER OFFER FROM THE DEVELOPER AT THAT TIME.
AT THAT TIME, THE COUNTY DID NOT MARKET RATE OR MARKET ADJUST FOR THE COST INDEX AND THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE PROFFER.
SO TODAY WE WOULD INCLUDE THAT ADJUSTMENT ANNUAL ADJUSTMENT BASED ON THE COST INDEX.
SO THIS PROFFER WOULD NOT HAVE EVER INCREASED EVEN UNDER THE ORIGINAL REZONING.
TODAY, A PROFFER WOULD INCREASE EVERY YEAR OR DECREASE IF THE COST INDEX WENT DOWN BASED ON THE FEDERAL COST INDEX PRICING.
SO LONG ANSWER THAT IS THE CURRENT PROFFER AND THE APPLICANT HAS NOT OFFERED TO AMEND THAT.
AND ANYONE ELSE. AM I INTERRUPTING? NO, YOU'RE FINE. WAS MR. JONES, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IN 2003? NO, SIR. I BELIEVE THEY RECENTLY PURCHASED IT LAST YEAR.
AND I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ON THINGS.
ACCORDING TO THE PROFFER STATEMENT DATED MARCH 15TH.
YES, SIR. IS THAT WHAT HE IS? IS THAT THE STATEMENTS THAT HE'S ASKING THAT THE OFFER BE REMOVED AND.
YES. WAS HE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY? YES. AND IN YOUR JUDGMENT.
ARE THE HOMES THAT HE'S PROPOSING COMPATIBLE WITH THE HOMES THAT ARE ALREADY ON BULL HILL ROAD AND COURTHOUSE ROAD? YES, SIR. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH SEVERAL OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT COMPANY HAS DONE IN THE COUNTY, THEY ARE THE DEVELOPERS FOR BRICK HOUSE LANDING, WHICH IS A LARGER SIZE HOME, BUT ALSO CEDAR CREEK, WHICH AND CEDAR CREEK WEST, WHICH WOULD BE IN THESE SQUARE FOOTAGE RANGES.
SO, YES, THEY ARE VERY COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT'S EXISTING.
ANYONE ELSE. THANK YOU, MS. WALTON. YOU'RE WELCOME.
WOULD THE YES, YOU CAN DO IT EITHER WAY, BUT.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SAY SOMETHING PRIOR TO OPENING THE.
JONES? OKAY, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN.
ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES, PLEASE.
HI, I'M ANONA HOGWOOD AND I AM LIFE ESTATE RESIDENT ON 5400 COURTHOUSE ROAD.
I'M JUST ASKING A SIMPLE QUESTION.
WHERE ARE THE ENTRANCES AND EXITS TO THIS SUBDIVISION GOING TO BE? ARE THERE GOING? IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE SUBDIVISION GOING TO BE ON BULL HILL? IS IT GOING TO BE ON ON COURTHOUSE ROAD OR ONE OF EACH OR WHAT'S GOING ON?
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I JUST BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF OF TRAFFIC ON COURTHOUSE ROAD I'M CONCERNED AND I'M SURE THE PEOPLE ON BULL HILL ROAD ARE PROBABLY SIMILARLY CONCERNED.YOU KNOW, JULIE, WOULD YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION OR.
THIS CONCEPTUAL PLAN SHOWS THE ENTRANCES ON BULL HILL ROAD.
I THINK IF IF VDOT DOES LOOK AT A SECOND ENTRANCE ON COURTHOUSE, IT WOULD BE CHALLENGING.
SO I WOULD AT THIS POINT, YEAH, IT WOULD BE VERY CHALLENGING TO TRY AND GET A WELL, IT SEEMS TO ME ON THIS PLAN HERE NOW THERE'S LIKE TWO LOTS OFF OF COURTHOUSE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? HI, I'M KAREN VIEIRA AND I'M AT 7701 BULL HILL ROAD.
MY CONCERNS, MY ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS IS THE SAME.
IT'S WITH TRAFFIC I AM MY LOT IS NUMBER 26 WHICH ABUTS THIS PROPERTY.
AND IF YOU HAVE, BY THE LOOKS OF IT, 100 HOUSES, THAT'S GOING TO BE 200 CARS THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING UP AND DOWN BULL HILL ROAD AND DOWN AT THAT INTERSECTION AT COURT HOUSE, WHICH IS ALREADY A MESS.
AND FROM WHAT THE SPEC SAID, THERE WAS GOING TO BE A 25 FOOT BUFFER WITH TREES.
I MEAN, 25FT IS PROBABLY FROM HERE TO THAT WALL.
AND I REALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE THE BACK OF, WHAT, 20 HOUSES? I MEAN, WE HAVE EIGHT ACRES BACK THERE AND IT'S JUST VERY QUIET AND I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT.
WE ALSO HAVE BLACKWATER CREEK BACK THERE, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THAT AS FAR AS POLLUTION AND BUILDING, YOU KNOW, ALL THE RESIDUE FROM THE BUILDING AND EVERYTHING IS GOING TO AFFECT THE CREEK BACK THERE.
WE HAVE KNOW DEERS AND FOX AND TURKEYS.
AND AND IT'S I JUST FEEL, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL OF THIS WILDLIFE.
I KNOW, YOU KNOW, BUILDING IS ONE THING, BUT I THINK 100 HOUSES IS KIND OF EXTREME.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE COULD HAVE THE BUFFER BE BIGGER BETWEEN MY LOT OR ALL THE LOTS AND THIS GIANT SUBDIVISION THAT THEY PLAN ON BUILDING. UM, OTHER THINGS THAT I THOUGHT OF IS LIKE WITH 100 LOTS, WE JUST HAVE THE NEW SCHOOL THAT OPENED UP.
CAN THAT SCHOOL ACTUALLY SUPPORT, SAY, IF EACH OF THEM HAD TWO CHILDREN, ANOTHER 200 CHILDREN IN THAT SCHOOL? THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO I'M ASSUMING THESE ARE GOING TO BE FAMILIES THAT ARE COMING IN WITH CHILDREN.
I WAS I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CAPACITY IS OF THAT SCHOOL AT THIS POINT WITH SINCE IT'S NOW ONE SCHOOL IN THE STATE OF I'M SORRY, THE STATE, THE CITY OF PRINCE GEORGE. SO THAT WAS MY OTHER CONCERN.
ANYONE WANT TO ASK HER ANYTHING? WHAT THEY'RE DOING, I'M ASKING IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING TONIGHT IS JUST TRYING TO CHANGE THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE ON THE LOT.
THE AS FAR AS THE HOUSES OR WHATEVER THAT'S ALREADY THERE, PLATTED.
MR. JONES HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
HE BOUGHT THAT AS IT ALREADY WAS, AND PLATTED IN THE COUNTY.
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IF YOU HAVE A LITTLE SMALLER HOUSE, THEY PROBABLY HAVE LESS KIDS GOING, LESS CARS, LESS EVERYTHING.SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TONIGHT.
IS THAT AM I RIGHT, IN THE IN THE BUFFER.
THE BUFFER IN THE BUFFER. THE BUFFER.
THE BUFFER. YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO AMEND THE BUFFER. THE THE BUFFER WAS ALREADY IN PLACE FROM THE ORIGINAL REZONING CASE THAT WAS DONE IN 2003.
I'M ASKING FOR THE SCREENING ON BULL HILL ROAD.
I DEVELOP BRICK HOUSES, LAND AND SUBDIVISION AND IF YOU GO BY THERE, THE STATE ONLY CUTS THE GRASS ON THE OTHER SIDE, ON THE ROAD SIDE, ABOUT TWICE, MAYBE THREE TIMES AT THE MOST A YEAR. THE GRASS GETS KNEE HIGH, TRASH COLLECTS ON IT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE PROFFERS I'M TRYING TO AMEND AND I'M NOT ADDING ANY MORE LOTS.
I'M JUST HOUSE SIZE THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN REZONED FOR A SUBDIVISION IN 2003.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DOES ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? SEEING NO ONE, I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TURN IT BACK TO THE BOARD.
MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY, I'M SORRY.
I CAN ADDRESS THE SCHOOL POPULATION CONCERN AND THE BLACKWATER CREEK CONCERN, IF YOU WISH .
THE STATE AND THE COUNTY HAVE REGULATIONS IN PLACE FOR ANY STRUCTURE THAT'S BUILT ANYWHERE NEAR A WATERWAY, AND THE DEVELOPERS AND THE BUILDERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR SUBMITTING PLANS FOR THAT.
AS FAR AS SCHOOL POPULATION, ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS IN THEIR AGENCIES THAT REVIEW AND WAS IN YOUR PACKET AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HIGHLIGHTING IT IN THE POWERPOINT IS THE SCHOOL DID REVIEW THIS REQUEST AND INDICATED TO US THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE ANY CONCERNS.
IT IS A NEGLIGIBLE EFFECT AND IT'S SPREAD OUT OVER SEVERAL YEARS.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE BASED ON THE COMMENTS YOU'VE RECEIVED.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS WALTON? OKAY. HEARING NONE, I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND. MADAM CHAIRMAN, I MOVED TO FORWARD REQUESTS RZ-22-06 TO THE BOARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE AMENDED PROFITS CONDITIONS.
AND THE REASON IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND CURRENT SURROUNDING USES AND IT'S JUST BEEN MODIFIED FOR USES.
THANK YOU. NOW WE'LL ASK THAT MR. GRAVES COMES AND PRESENT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, CPA 23.01.
ALL RIGHT GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR ELDER, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AND MR. WHITTEN. THIS ITEM IS UNDER TAB SIX.
AND YES, THIS IS A REQUEST OF ERIKA KRAFT AND PAMELA KRAFT TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION FOR A SPECIFIC PROPERTY FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL IN ORDER TO SUPPORT A COMPANION REZONING REQUEST FOR THE SAME PROPERTY.
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AND THAT REQUEST, THAT COMPANION REQUEST IS IDENTIFIED AS REZONING 2301, AND THAT'S SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING IMMEDIATELY, IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THIS ONE.SUBJECT PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES IN SIZE.
IT'S LOCATED AT 12415 JAMES RIVER DRIVE AND IS IDENTIFIED AS A TAX MAP NUMBER YOU SEE THERE.
HERE YOU CAN SEE THE ZONING MAP AGAIN WITH THE TRIANGULAR SHAPED PARCEL AND THE TAN COLOR IS RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL ZONING . AND THE PROPOSED ZONING, AGAIN UNDER THE REQUEST COMING AFTER THIS IS BUSINESS.
ON THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
SO THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING TO CHANGE THE COLORS ON, BASICALLY.
BECAUSE THEY WANT TO REZONE FOR COMMERCIAL.
YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY.
IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
AND THE ENTIRE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS DUE FOR REVIEW AND UPDATE IN AN UPCOMING CONFERENCE OF PLAN UPDATE WILL WILL MAKE PROGRESS ON THAT, BUT IT'S COMPLETELY REASONABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT PARTICULAR PROPERTIES IN THE MEANTIME.
THE BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY WAS FORMERLY USED AS A CHURCH.
AND AGAIN, YOU'VE HEARD FROM ME ALREADY THAT THAT'S BEEN VACANT FOR A WHILE.
THE APPLICANTS RECENTLY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY LAST YEAR AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING OFFICE INFORMED THEM THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DIDN'T SUPPORT THEIR REZONING REQUEST.
ALL RIGHT. SO THEIR OVERALL GOAL IS TO OPERATE A BAKERY ON THIS PROPERTY.
AND AGAIN, IF THIS REQUEST IS APPROVED, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION WOULD CHANGE TO COMMERCIAL OR SOME OR A SIMILAR, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE MAP WOULD CHANGE AND THIS WOULD SUPPORT THEIR REQUEST TO REZONE PROPERTY.
SO HERE OUR STAFF'S PLANNING STAFF'S COMMENTS.
THE PROPERTY IS SITUATED AT AN IMPORTANT INTERSECTION FOR VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND ROUTE TEN AND WHICH IS JAMES RIVER DRIVE AND ROUTE 60 35 HERITAGE ROAD ARE PRETTY HIGH TRAFFIC ROADWAYS, SO THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ALREADY ON THESE ROADS.
AT REASONABLE THEY HAVE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WITH APPROPRIATE ACCESS ON THOSE KIND OF ROADS.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALSO PLANS FOR THESE RIGHTS OF WAY TO BE WIDENED IN THE FUTURE.
THERE ARE NO CURRENT OR PRIVATE OR PUBLIC PLANS TO EXPAND THE WATER, SEWER, WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE LINES INTO THIS VICINITY OF THIS PROPERTY.
THE NEAREST LOTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY SERVED BY PUBLIC UTILITIES ARE MORE THAN A MILE AWAY.
SO HERE IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU'VE GOT THREE COLUMNS.
IN THE FIRST COLUMN IS THE RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION.
AND THIS EXPLAINS THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES THAT A RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE INCLUDES AREAS WITHIN THE PRINCE GEORGE PLANNING AREA WHERE SMALL LOT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS ENCOURAGED AND ALSO PUBLIC WATER AND OR WASTEWATER FACILITIES ARE AVAILABLE AND REQUIRED FOR SUCH DEVELOPMENT.
SO GIVEN THE LACK OF PUBLIC FACILITIES INFRASTRUCTURE IN THIS AREA, THAT MAY NOT BE THE ONLY POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT TYPE IN THE FUTURE, ESPECIALLY THIS IS A SMALL LOT, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO LIKELY TO BE DEVELOPED MUCH MORE
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FOR THAT. UM, THE COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION ARE AREAS WHERE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT HAVE OCCURRED AND WHERE FUTURE URBAN AND SUBURBAN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS ARE ENCOURAGED.AND THIS IS THE DESIGNATION THAT THEY THAT THEY ASKED FOR, THE COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION.
IT'S CALLED THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION.
SO IT DOESN'T MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER.
SO OVERALL, WE THOUGHT THIS WAS THE MOST APPROPRIATE DESIGNATION FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THEIR INTENTIONS TO USE IT.
AND SECONDARILY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE ROUTE TEN CORRIDOR BE REEXAMINED DURING THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE THAT I MENTIONED . IS WE'RE WORKING ON ON PURSUING THAT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS TO START THAT PROCESS.
THE BASIS FOR THIS RECOMMENDATION, AGAIN, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL APPEARS TO BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS DUE FOR A SIGNIFICANT REVIEW AND WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK ABOUT THIS REQUEST FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS OR THE COMMUNITY IN GENERAL.
CAN I ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS REQUEST? ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TO RAISE? THANK YOU. OKAY.
LIST YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
SEEING NO ONE. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
OKAY. NOW, HOW ABOUT THE COMMISSIONERS? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? OKAY. I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND A SECOND.
I MOVE TO FORWARD REQUEST CPA DASH 20 3-01 TO THE BOARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AS IT IS EXPECTED TO BENEFIT THE GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY.
NOW, MR. GRAVES WILL GIVE US INFORMATION ON REZONING RZ 23-01.
THE APPLICANTS ARE THE SAME APPLICANTS.
AND THEY AGAIN, THEY PLAN TO OPERATE A BAKERY ON THE PROPERTY.
YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD THE ADDRESS AND PARCEL NUMBER AND YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP CURRENTLY SAYS RESIDENTIAL, BUT THEY HAVE ASKED TO CHANGE IT TO COMMERCIAL AND STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.
SO. THERE'S A BUTTON AND IT'S REALLY SMALL.
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ALL RIGHT, HERE'S THE LOCATION MAP AGAIN.TRIANGULAR PARCEL, NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY, ROUTE TEN.
SO THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE TAN COLOR TO THE RED, TO A RED COLOR, WHICH SIGNIFIES GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL.
AND THEY'RE LARGELY THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH ALL SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.
OKAY. ON THIS SLIDE IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAP.
AND THIS IS THE AERIAL VIEW AGAIN AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
AND THEN TO THE TO THE BOTTOM LEFT HERE, THERE IS A CHURCH ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
THE BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY WAS A CHURCH.
AND AGAIN, THESE ARE MOST OF THE SAME FACTS AS BEFORE.
ALL RIGHT. SO, AGAIN, THEY WANT TO MAKE OPEN A COMMERCIAL BAKERY.
AND THEN THEY PLAN TO SELL THEM OFF SITE AT OFF SITE RETAIL LOCATIONS.
SO THEY DON'T INTEND TO HAVE ANY CUSTOMERS ON SITE IN THEIR CURRENT PLANS.
THEY WOULD HAVE NO MORE THAN FIVE EMPLOYEES.
SO THAT IS WHAT THEY INITIALLY WANT TO DO ON THE PROPERTY.
SO TO DO THAT, THEY ARE ASKING TO REZONE IT TO BUSINESS, REZONE THE PROPERTY TO BUSINESS, AND THEY HAVE ALSO PROFFERED SUBMITTED A PROFFER STATEMENT WITH A RESTRICTION ON THE PERMITTED COMMERCIAL USES ON THE PROPERTY.
IT'S MOSTLY JUST A BUILDING AND GRASS WITH AN ENTRANCE DRIVE ENTRANCE WAY.
ALL RIGHT. PLANNING AND ZONING IS COMMENTS.
WE'VE TALKED THROUGH MOST OF THIS, BUT NOTING THE ADJACENT PROPERTY USES AND WE DON'T EXPECT ANY SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND ROADWAYS FROM THIS BAKERY USE.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE HIGHER IMPACTS POSSIBLE IF THIS WAS USED FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN A BAKERY.
SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY THE APPLICANTS HAVE PROFFERED TO RESTRICT CERTAIN USES ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND REGARDING COMPATIBILITY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT? SO THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS HAD COMMENTS.
BUILDING INSPECTIONS GAVE THEIR PRETTY STANDARD COMMENTS THAT THE BUILDING MUST MEET ALL BUILDING CODES BASICALLY, SO IT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE OPERATIONAL UNTIL ALL REQUIRED PERMITS HAVE BEEN OBTAINED.
AND THE APPLICANTS ARE AWARE OF THIS.
THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SAID THAT THE SEWAGE DISPOSAL AND WELL ARE BEING EVALUATED BY A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER TO DETERMINE IF IT'S IF THEY ARE SUITABLE FOR THE PROPOSED BAKERY USE.
AND VDOT PROVIDED SOME TRAFFIC NUMBERS FOR THE ADJACENT ROADWAYS.
AND THEY SAID IT'S UNKNOWN WHETHER THE EXISTING ENTRANCE WILL MEET THESE CRITERIA.
THEY'LL HAVE TO DO THAT DURING THAT THE BUILDING CODE VERIFICATION PROCESS.
AND SO OVERALL HAD NO OBJECTION.
AGAIN, THEY WERE JUST STATING THAT THEY'LL NEED TO SUBMIT SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE ENTRANCE.
THE PROFFERED CONDITIONS ARE LIMITED TO JUST THE ONE CONDITION THAT LIMITS THE USE OF THE PROPERTY TO ALLOW WHATEVER'S ALLOWED IN THE B ONE ZONING DISTRICT, EXCEPT THAT THE FOLLOWING LAND USES WILL BE PROHIBITED.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST, SUBJECT TO THE PROFFERED CONDITIONS.
AND THE BASIS FOR THIS IS THE REZONING REQUEST APPEARS TO BE GENERALLY COMPATIBLE WITH CURRENT AND FUTURE SURROUNDING USES WITH AS LONG AS THERE ARE, THE PROFFER STATEMENT IS ACCEPTED AND WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE, THERE IS NO NEGATIVE FEEDBACK RECEIVED FROM THE COMMUNITY.
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AND AGAIN, THE APPLICANTS HAVE ATTEMPTED TO ADDRESS POTENTIAL CONCERNS THROUGH OFFERING TO RESTRICT THE USES OF THE PROPERTY.DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? AND THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM.
UM, I KNOW ON THE PREVIOUS MOTION WE HAD TO EXPLICITLY STATE YOU KNOW, [INAUDIBLE] CHANGING IT TO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL INSTEAD OF JUST COMMERCIAL. I UNDERSTAND IT'S BEEN SUBMITTED FOR THAT TO BE CHANGED.
BUT SINCE IT HASN'T BEEN CHANGED YET AND APPROVED BY THE BOARD, DO WE NEED TO ALSO INCLUDE THE MODIFICATION FOR THIS TO BE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AS WELL IN OUR VOTE? OR IS THAT ASSUMED THAT IT WOULD BE APPROVED BY THE PREVIOUS MOTION? YOU COULD CONSIDER MAKING A MOTION THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE APPROVAL ONE THAT WE OFFERED AND ALSO ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER MENTIONING THAT YOU WITH AS LONG AS THERE IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT IS APPROVED.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIR.
TYPICALLY, THE BOARD WOULD ADDRESS THE ITEMS IN THE SAME ORDER YOU DID, SO THEY WOULD RECEIVE YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR THE COMP PLAN CHANGE AND TAKE A VOTE ON THAT.
AND THAT EITHER PASSES OR FAILS.
IF IT PASSES, THEN THE NEXT CASE THEY HEAR IS THE REZONING.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU NEED TO MODIFY YOUR MOTION.
AND THE BOARD WILL TAKE THEM UP IN THE SAME ORDER.
UM. I SEE THAT ERICA AND PAMELA KRAFT ARE HERE.
DID YOU ALL WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? OKAY. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THEM? OKAY. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO ANYONE FOR OR AGAINST MAY COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND LIMIT YOUR TIME TO THREE MINUTES, PLEASE.
SEEING NO ONE, I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, IT'S BACK TO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS. IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE OR DENY. I MOVE TO FORWARD REQUEST RZ-23-01 TO THE BOARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE PROFFERED CONDITIONS AS IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND CURRENT SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING DISTRICTS.
OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING, MR. GRAVES WILL COME FORWARD AS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, SC 23-01.
OKAY. THIS ONE'S UNDER TAB EIGHT.
PURSUANT TO THAT CODE SECTION THERE.
THE THE ACTUAL CODE LANGUAGE IS SPECIAL CARE HOSPITAL.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INDICATES THE PROPERTY IS PLANNED FOR COMMERCIAL USES.
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THE PROPERTIES OUTLINED IN RED THERE ON PRINCE GEORGE DRIVE NEAR THE INTERSECTION WITH MT.IT'S ACTUALLY ON MOUNT SINAI ROAD AS WELL.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S ALREADY ZONED COMMERCIAL, AS ARE THE MOST OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
AND ON THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE AERIAL VIEW.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THE BUILDINGS.
AND THEIR GOAL IS TO OPEN AN ADULT DAYCARE FACILITY, AND THAT WILL INVOLVE PARTICIPANTS HAVING OPPORTUNITIES TO SOCIALIZE AND DO ACTIVITIES. THE NAME OF THEIR BUSINESS IS OUR LOVED ONES.
THEY WOULD LEASE THREE ADJACENT SUITES TOTALING 4800FT².
THEY WOULD HAVE NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS.
THEY HAVE STRUCTURED ACTIVITIES FOR THEIR PARTICIPANTS.
THINGS LIKE ARTS AND CRAFTS, COOKING WORKSHOPS, EXERCISE, ETCETERA.
THE PARTICIPANTS WOULD ATTEND 2 TO 5 DAYS A WEEK AT WHATEVER HOURS WORK FOR THEM.
AND DURING THOSE BUSINESS HOURS AND HIGHLY TRAINED STAFF WILL BE PROVIDED WITH A STAFF TO PARTICIPANT RATIO THAT MEETS OR EXCEEDS STATE LICENSURE REQUIREMENTS.
SO THEY'LL HAVE A STATE LICENSE FOR THEIR ACTIVITIES AS WELL.
HERE IS AN AERIAL VIEW AND A FRONT VIEW PHOTO OF THE BUILDING.
AGAIN, THE PROPERTY IS ABOUT 1.15 ACRES.
THERE WAS A COMMERCIAL CHILD CARE CENTER IN THE SAME BUILDING IN 2015 THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2015.
A CHILD CARE FACILITY ALSO REQUIRES A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
THE TERM ADULT DAYCARE FACILITY IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL FIND IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THAT'S NOT GOOD OR BAD, RIGHT OR WRONG.
THAT IS JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN UPDATED IN THE ORDINANCE.
SO IN THE ABSENCE OF A MORE RELEVANT PERMITTED USE, WE FELT THIS FALLS UNDER A SPECIAL CARE HOSPITAL LAND USE, WHICH AGAIN, THAT'S THE CODE LANGUAGE AND THAT'S PERMITTED AS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
SO THE DEFINITION THAT'S PROVIDED FOR THAT, YOU CAN SEE THERE, IT SEEMS TO APPLY TO SOME OTHER THINGS BESIDES JUST TAKING CARE OF AN ADULTS.
BUT THAT'S A BROAD CATEGORY THAT COVERS LOTS OF THINGS.
BUT PLEASE DON'T ASSUME THAT THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH ALCOHOLICS OR DRUG ADDICTS.
THIS IS JUST THIS IS JUST AN ADULT DAYCARE FACILITY.
THE EXPECTED IMPACTS AND MITIGATION NEEDED FOR THIS REQUEST.
WILL STAFF DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THERE WAS ANYTHING TO ADDRESS HERE.
THIS IS A SIMILAR LEVEL OF INTENSITY TO OTHER COMMERCIAL USES ON A B-1 COMMERCIAL ZONE PROPERTY.
THOSE KIND OF DETAILS ARE ADDRESSED BY THE CODE FOR BUSINESS ACTIVITIES.
SO THEY MAY HAVE TO PROVIDE A FLOOR PLAN AND BUILDING LAYOUT, INGRESS AND EGRESS PLANS, ETCETERA.
SO REALLY A LOT OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU'D EXPECT TO HAVE FOR FOR SOMETHING LIKE AN ADULT DAYCARE FACILITY ARE HANDLED BY THE BUILDING CODE AND THEY'RE INSPECTED BY THE BUILDING OFFICER, THE REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
THEY'RE JUST THEY'RE SERVING PREPACKAGED FOOD.
AND THEY STATED THAT THE FACILITY IS CONNECTED TO PUBLIC SEWER.
THEREFORE THEY DON'T NEED A SPECIAL LETTER TO CONFIRM ANYTHING.
THERE'S NO SEPTIC SYSTEM THERE ON PUBLIC SEWER.
AND THEN REGARDING THE WELL, THEY WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION FOR THAT AND THEY ARE WORKING ON THAT WITH THE OFFICE OF DRINKING WATER, THE VDOT STATED THE EXISTING ENTRANCE MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, SO THEY HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THIS.
STAFF HAS A LIST OF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE.
AND SOME OF THE KEY THINGS HERE.
THE MAIN ONE WAS DEFINING WHAT IS AN ADULT DAYCARE FACILITY.
SINCE IT'S NOT IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
IT SAYS A FACILITY WHICH IS LICENSED BY THE STATE, IF APPLICABLE, IT'S OPERATED FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING CARE, PROTECTION AND OR GUIDANCE TO ADULTS WHO DO NOT RESIDE IN THE FACILITY FOR A PORTION OF A 24 HOUR DAY.
THE CARE AND GUIDANCE IS DURING A PORTION OF A 24 HOUR DAY.
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AND THEN THEY'LL NEED TO OBTAIN THE BUILDING PART, WHICH IS THE CHANGE OF USE PERMIT PRIOR TO OCCUPYING THE STRUCTURE.I MEAN CODE OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.
SO THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS IS APPROVAL.
THERE'S NO MORE INTENSIVE USE THAN ANOTHER THAN OTHER B1 PERMITTED USES.
THERE'S NO NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. GRAVES? I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
OKAY. THE HOSPITAL SPECIAL CARE.
UH, CLASSIFICATION, IF YOU WILL, THAT ALLOWS SOME.
I WON'T SAY DRASTIC, BUT SOME PRETTY.
WELL, I'LL SAY IT ANYWAY, DRASTIC CURE, THAT PROFESSIONAL HELP THAT I DON'T THINK THESE PEOPLE ARE PLANNING ON USING THIS TO GIVE OLDER PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME OUT.
BUT SHOULD THEY DECIDE LATER AND EXPAND AND TAKE MENTAL PATIENTS? WOULD THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO US? YES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO US.
THIS IS THIS STATES THAT IT'S AN ADULT DAYCARE FACILITY ONLY.
IT'S JUST AN ADULT DAYCARE FACILITY.
AND FOR THIS PURPOSE, THE ADULT DAYCARE FACILITY IS LICENSED BY THE STATE, OPERATED FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING CARE, PROTECTION AND OR GUIDANCE TO ADULTS WHO DO NOT RESIDE IN THE FACILITY. SO AS LONG AS THEY FALL WITHIN THAT DEFINITION, THEN THEY'RE ALLOWED.
IF THEY FALL OUTSIDE OF THAT DEFINITION, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED.
WELL, WHICH ONE OF THE ITEMIZED.
UH. STATEMENTS OF HOSPITAL SPECIAL CARE FITS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
PLEASE. YES, WE'D LIKE TO COME.
I'M GOING TO SAY CLIENTS THAT HAVE ID, WHICH IS IT CAN BE, IT CAN RANGE FROM ANY, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ANY, BUT FROM THEM BEING ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES DAILY, BUT JUST NEEDING GUIDANCE AND SUPERVISION SO THEY CAN HAVE ANY TYPE OF MENTAL HEALTH CONDITION, DEVELOPMENTAL DELAY.
WE CAN DEAL WITH SENIORS THAT JUST NEED CARE DURING THE DAY.
A RESPITE FOR WORKING FAMILIES AGES FROM 18 ON UP.
SO WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH DOING WOUND CARE.
WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD DO IN A GENERAL HOSPITAL SETTING.
WE'RE JUST THERE TO PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR PEOPLE THAT CAN'T BE BY THEMSELVES DURING THE DAY.
SO WE'RE THERE TO FILL THAT NEED.
SO WE DO PROVIDE MEALS, BREAKFAST AND LUNCH AND SNACKS.
AGAIN, WE DID SPECIFY THAT WE DO CRAFTS AND GARDENING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WHEN THEY'RE AWAY FROM HOME, THEY'RE STILL AT HOME, SO TO SPEAK.
SO THAT'S HOW WE KIND OF BASE IT.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? I WOULD LIKE TO ASK SOMETHING.
WHEN I KNOW THE FRONT, THE SIDE OF THAT BUILDING.
THEY ARE MAYBE YOU'RE NOT THE ONE I NEED TO ASK.
UM. IT'S LIKE A STEP UP, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, SO ARE THEY PLANNING IS THE PLAN TO MAKE THAT SO THAT IT'S NOT SUCH A BIG STEP UP TO GET INTO THE DOOR?
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WELL, THERE'S A SIDE THAT SIDE HAS A RAMP AS WELL.OH, OKAY. THERE'S A RAMP BECAUSE, OF COURSE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE EVERYONE ALL WALKS OF LIFE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WHEELCHAIR AND WALKERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE VISITED WAS THE STEP UP.
BUT WE NOTICED THERE'S A RAMP THAT GOES DIRECTLY IN FROM THAT SIDE THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THAT SIDE DOOR.
WELL, IT'S LIKE TO ME THAT ALL THOSE DOORS, THERE'S SEVERAL DOORS STEP UP.
YEAH. BUT I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THE I, I DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION TO THE RAMP BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THE RAMP GOES. THE RAMP MEETS THE DOOR, IT COMES UP AND IT MEETS THE DOOR ON THE SIDE AND IN THE FRONT THERE'S NO STEP UP, BUT THE RAMP GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN THE FULL LENGTH OF THE BUILDING.
IT GOES FROM, THERE'S A RAMP IN THE FRONT AS WELL.
THERE'S TWO RAMPS. WE DIDN'T NOTICE UNTIL WE WENT OUT THERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
SO THERE'S A RAMP FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THE DOOR, LIKE THE PARKING SPACE, AND THEN THERE'S A RAMP IN THE FRONT TO THE OTHER DOOR THAT'S ON THE SIDEWALK, PART OF THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GO BACK AND REVISIT.
WELL, ARE YOU PLANNING ON HAVING THEM GO OUTSIDE WHERE THERE IS A FENCED AREA? THERE, YES, THERE IS A STEP DOWN FROM THE FENCED AREA IS THERE IS A STEP RIGHT THERE AND IT'S NOT VERY LOW.
CAN THEY EASILY GET DOWN THE STEPS? SO WE HAVE TO PUT OURSELF IN THEIR PLACE.
SO IF THERE IS IF WE DO DEEM IT NECESSARY, WE WOULD MAKE NECESSARY CHANGES FOR MEMBERS TO BE ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT SAFELY BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF OUR MAIN SAFETY'S TOP CONCERN WITH EVERYONE THAT'S THERE.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE WAY I READ IT, THAT THESE PEOPLE MIGHT YOU MAY HAVE THEY'RE NOT LIKE COMING EVERY DAY FOR SEVEN DAYS.
THEY COME FOR FIVE DAYS OR FIVE DAYS OR WHATEVER.
BUT SO THEY WOULD THEY COULD COME EVERY DAY FOR FIVE DAYS, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
OKAY. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MA'AM.
WELCOME. IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS, I WILL.
TURN IT BACK TO THE COMMISSIONERS.
OH, EXCUSE ME. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO ANYONE WHO IS FOR OR AGAINST. IF YOU WILL COME TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND LIMIT YOUR TIME TO.
SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? I'LL TURN IT BACK TO THE COMMISSIONERS.
WHAT ARE YOUR WISHES? CHAIRMAN I MOVE FORWARD REQUESTS ISD 2301 TO THE BOARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT, AND THE REASON IT IS EXPECTED TO BENEFIT THE GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY.
MR. GRAVES WILL GIVE US OUR COMMUNICATION.
[COMMUNICATIONS]
ALL RIGHT.UNDER COMMUNICATIONS, WE HAVE ACTIONS OF THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.
AND THERE'S ONE VARIANCE CASE SCHEDULED FOR MARCH.
EXCUSE ME. AND I AGREE, AND THERE'S ONE SPECIAL EXCEPTION CASE SCHEDULED FOR APRIL FOR THE BZA, FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THERE WERE NO CASES HEARD AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, RELATED CASES HEARD AT THE FEBRUARY 20TH 8TH OR MARCH 14TH BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETINGS.
WE DID PROVIDE THE RECAPS FOR THOSE IN YOUR PACKET.
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I WILL NOTE THAT AT THE MARCH 14TH MEETING, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR PROPOSED AN ANNUAL BUDGET FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION.AND IN THAT PROPOSED BUDGET, THINGS THAT ARE RELEVANT TO THE COMMISSION WOULD ARE THE FUNDING FOR A FUNDING REQUEST FOR A PLANNING DIRECTOR POSITION AND FUNDING REQUEST FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE AND FUNDING REQUESTS FOR ORDINANCES UPDATE.
THOSE LAST TWO BEING CONSULTANT, PRIMARILY CONSULTANT LED.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE AT LEAST SIX AND PROBABLY SEVEN CASES THAT COULD GO DOWN.
THEY'RE NOT 100% CONFIRMED, BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE MAXIMUM NUMBER IS GOING TO BE SEVEN.
SO THOSE THREE THREE OF THOSE CASES ARE THE SAME PROJECT RELATING TO A MINI STORAGE FACILITY.
ANOTHER ONE IS FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR A WAREHOUSE ON WAGNER WAY.
THEY'RE JUST DIVIDING ONE LOT INTO TWO AND THEY DON'T WANT TO BUILD THE SIDEWALK.
YOU'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT NEXT MONTH.
A REZONING REQUEST FOR A DISTRIBUTION CENTER ON REEVES ROAD.
THAT'S MULTI BUILDING, LARGE, PRETTY LARGE PROJECT.
THERE'S A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR THE NEW COUNTY CONVENIENCE CENTER ON THE YANCEY TRACK.
WE'LL HAVE THAT FOR YOU NEXT MONTH.
ON THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO MENTION TO YOU, THE BOARD WILL COMMEND MR. BROWN, MR. FLOYD BROWN, SENIOR, FORMER PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER, AND IRMA BROWN, FORMER BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS MEMBER ON MARCH 28TH. SO THAT'S NEXT WEEK.
SO IF YOU WANT TO ATTEND THAT, YOU'RE WELCOME TO.
THE ANOTHER NOTE, WE DO HAVE CRYSTAL SMITH FROM VDOT SCHEDULED FOR MAY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WORK SESSION MEETING.
SO YOU'LL GET TO HEAR A REPORT FROM HER.
THAT IS ALL WE HAD PLANNED TO TELL YOU TONIGHT.
DID YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU.
BEFORE WE ADJOURN, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK I KNOW WE DISCUSSED IT AT THE WORK SESSION THAT NEXT MONTH.
THAT YOU WE CALL AND TELL THEM WE ARE GOING TO BE THERE OR NOT BE THERE.
WHAT IS YOUR TIME LIMIT? YOU WANT IT CUT OFF.
SO IN CASE YOU HAVE TO GET IN TOUCH WITH SOMEBODY.
ARE YOU SAYING YOU WANT THE COMMISSIONERS TO CALL THE STAFF? WE CALL YOU INSTEAD OF STAFF.
OKAY. COULD WE CALL ONLY IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO COME.
OH, WHY NOT? IT'LL ARRIVE AFTER THE DATE.
WE WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL OR EMAIL THEM IF YOU ARE NOT COMING BY WHAT TIME THE 12 P.M.
NOON. THE DAY OF THE DAY OF 12 OKAY.
IF SOMEONE'S NOT TO CALL IN TO THE MEETING, THEY NEED TO NOTIFY YOU OR NOTIFY STAFF.
IF THEY'RE DON'T CALL IN TO THE MEETING.
WE NEED TO KNOW THAT IN ADVANCE AS WELL.
OH, YOU MEAN IF THEY CALL, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ON.
THEY'LL BE CALLING. WE'LL BE JUST PHONE CALL ON THE PHONE HERE TO THE MEETING.
Y'ALL UNDERSTAND THAT? ADDRESSED THE BOARD OR THE COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE ADJOURN? SURE. I HAVE DEEP REGRETS, BUT BECAUSE OF MEDICAL CONDITIONS AT HOME.
I'M NOT ALLOWED TO BE AWAY FROM HOME FOR ANY PERIOD OF TIME.
SO EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY I AM RESIGNING FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I HAVE ENJOYED ALL THESE YEARS WORKING WITH YOU.
I HAVE ENJOYED WORKING WITH THE STAFF AND I WILL CERTAINLY MISS YOU.
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SORRY TO HEAR THAT.THANK YOU. WE'LL DEFINITELY MISS YOU.
MAY I MAKE A COMMENT? SURE. IT'S BEEN THREE YEARS NOW, BUT I KNOW I USED TO TELL THE COMMISSIONERS THAT FOR IT'S BEEN ABOUT 15 YEARS NOW.
WE'VE HAD FARM DAY AT MY FARM IN APRIL WHERE ALL THE SECOND GRADERS FROM THE COUNTY COME, WHERE WE HAVE STATIONS SET UP TO EXPLAIN TO KIDS WHERE THEIR FOOD COMES FROM.
WELL, NEXT MONTH, APRIL 18TH, FROM ABOUT NINE, ABOUT SAY 9:30 TO 12:00 IS WHEN WE'RE GOING TO HOLD IT.
AND THIS IS SPONSORED BY 4H, THE EXTENSION SERVICE AND FARM BUREAU.
SO I KNOW JOE CAME ONE YEAR AND HE WAS IMPRESSED WITH HOW IT GOES AND THE WAY THE KIDS AND IT REALLY IMPACTS THE KIDS IN THEIR IDEAS TOWARDS AGRICULTURE.
I KNOW I HAD A SHED PUT UP SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND I GOT A CONCRETE CONTRACTOR TO COME, PUT SOME, POUR SOME PILLARS, AND HE HAD HIS GRANDSON WITH HIM.
AND HIS GRANDPA SAYS, WHEN YOU WHEN HAVE YOU BEEN HERE? HE SAYS, I CAME HERE FOR FARM DAY.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IMPRESSES THE KIDS.
AND IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN COMING, YOU'RE WELCOME TO IT.
SO MAYBE NEXT YEAR THEY'LL BE HERE.
OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER.
I NEED A MOTION AND SECOND TO ADJOURN.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.