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HERE. MR. CARMICHAEL IS ABSENT.
HERE. WE NOW GO INTO CLOSED SESSION .
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DO I HAVE A MOTION? I SO MOVE A MOTION THAT THE BOARD GO INTO CLOSED SESSION UNDER THE PROVISION OF SECTIONS 2.2-37.11 OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSE.NUMBER ONE, SECTION 2.2-37.11.8.1.
DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION OF THE ASSIGNMENT OF APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING OR RESIGNATION OF A SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICE, OFFICER, APPOINTEE OR EMPLOYEE OF THE PUBLIC BODY.
I FURTHER MOVE THAT SUCH DISCUSSION BE LIMITED TO A) PLANNING COMMISSION, B) VIRGINIA GATEWAY REGION AND C) BOARD OF EQUALIZATION AND, NUMBER TWO, SECTION 2.2 -37.11.A7, CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL PERTAINING TO ACTUAL OR POSSIBLE LITIGATION.
FURTHER TO THAT, SUCH DISCUSSION SHALL BE LIMITED TO OPIOID LITIGATION.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. THE BOARD WILL NOW BE IN RECESS UNTIL 6:00 FOR THE WORK SESSION.
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THE BOARD HAS BEEN IN RECESS AND NOW RETURNS FOR OUR WORK SESSION.OUR FIRST ITEM ON WORK SESSION IS THE AUDIT REPORT.
GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, BOARD MEMBERS, MR. STOKE AND MR. WHITTEN.
WE HAVE WITH US THIS EVENING MR. JOSH ROLLER FROM ROBINSON, FARMER, COX, AND HE WILL BE PROVIDING YOU WITH AN OVERVIEW OF YOUR FY 22 AUDITED FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
WELCOME. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
FIRST OFF, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME COME TO THIS MEETING INSTEAD OF THE NORMAL 7:00 MEETING.
I APPRECIATE THE FLEXIBILITY THERE.
SO I KNOW YOU'VE HAD ALL OF 15 SECONDS TO REVIEW THE AUDIT REPORT.
[LAUGHTER] SO IF SOME MORE QUESTIONS COME UP, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO, FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT THROUGH BETSY AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM . RIGHT NOW I'LL KIND OF GO THROUGH AND JUST POINT YOUR ATTENTION TO A FEW AREAS, A FEW AREAS THAT ARE NEW THIS YEAR RELATED TO ACCOUNTING STANDARDS.
SO FIRST OFF, YOU SHOULD HAVE A LETTER ON THE FRONT COVER OF THE AUDIT REPORT.
THIS IS THE COMMUNICATION WITH THOSE CHARGED WITH GOVERNANCE.
THE STANDARD COMMUNICATION REQUIRED AT THE END OF THE AUDIT PROCESS.
JUST GOES THROUGH KIND OF THE STANDARD THINGS.
THIS IS RELATED TO HOW LEASES ARE RECORDED BOTH ON THE LESSOR AND LESSEE SIDE.
SO INTO THE ACTUAL REPORT, YOU SHOULD BE ON PAGE ONE THE FIRST PAGE AFTER THE FINANCIAL SECTION TAB.
THIS IS OUR INDEPENDENT AUDITORS REPORT.
PREVIOUSLY THAT THE FIRST PARAGRAPH THERE, THE OPINION HAS WAS KIND OF BURIED ONTO THE SECOND PAGE.
IT'S NOW REQUIRED AND I THINK A GOOD IMPROVEMENT THAT IS NOW THE FIRST THING YOU SEE.
IT IS AN UNQUALIFIED OR AN UNMODIFIED OPINION, WHICH IS A CLEAN OPINION FOR THE COUNTY THIS YEAR.
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IT JUST GOES INTO MORE DISCLOSURE RELATED TO RESPONSIBILITY OF MANAGEMENT ON THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AS WELL AS THE AUDITOR'S RESPONSIBILITIES.NOTHING ACTUALLY CHANGED IN OUR AUDIT PROCESS BECAUSE OF THIS.
IT'S JUST MORE DISCLOSURE REQUIRED HERE ON THE IN THE ACTUAL REPORT.
AND FROM THERE WE CAN SKIP FORWARD QUITE A FEW PAGES TO PAGE 26, PAGE 26 AND 28, EXHIBIT THREE AND EXHIBIT FIVE.
THESE ARE YOUR GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS.
EXHIBIT THREE IS YOUR GOVERNMENTAL FUND BALANCE SHEET AND EXHIBIT FIVE IS YOUR GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS STATEMENT OF REVENUE EXPENDITURES AND CHANGE IN FUND BALANCE OR BASICALLY AN INCOME STATEMENT.
THE BOTTOM LINE HERE ON EXHIBIT FIVE, PAGE 28, THE TOTAL CHANGE IN FUND BALANCE FOR ALL GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS, WHICH INCLUDES THE GENERAL FUND CAPITAL PROJECTS, DEBT SERVICE, ARPA FUND, AS WELL AS OTHER GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS.
THE TOTAL CHANGE TOWARDS THE BOTTOM THERE WAS A -$19.5 MILLION.
OF THAT TOTAL, THE FIRST COLUMN THERE THE GENERAL FUND HAD A $4.4 MILLION INCREASE.
THE SECOND COLUMN THERE, CAPITAL PROJECTS WHICH ACCOUNTS FOR PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THAT TOTAL DECREASE.
THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND DECREASED BY $26 MILLION THIS YEAR.
SO FROM THERE, I'LL FLIP FORWARD A LITTLE BIT TO NOTE ONE, AND THIS IS ON PAGE, 1-T ON PAGE 48. SORRY.
SO PAGE 48 AND THIS DESCRIBES A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT GASB 87.
IT DIDN'T REQUIRE ANY BEGINNING BALANCE ADJUSTMENT, ANY FUND BALANCE ADJUSTMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT HERE IT DOES DETAIL OUT THE LESSEE AND LESSOR ACTIVITY.
THERE WERE BEGINNING BALANCES AS OF JULY 1, 2021.
SO THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR WE HAD TWO RECORD BALANCES FOR THE LESSEE ACTIVITY.
THIS IS ONLY RECORDED ON THE ENTITY WIDE STATEMENTS.
AND THAT'S FOR, IT'S BASICALLY RECORDED NOW AS A FIXED ASSET.
THE LESSOR ACTIVITY DOES ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE RECORDED IN YOUR FUND STATEMENTS.
AGAIN, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A BEGINNING FUND BALANCE ADJUSTMENT, BUT THERE ARE THOSE BEGINNING BALANCES THERE OF $168,000 FOR THE GENERAL FUND AND $174,000 FOR THE UTILITY FUNDS.
AND ONTO THE NEXT SECTION THERE, EXHIBIT 12 ON PAGE 114.
AND THIS IS YOUR LIKELY THE MOST USEFUL STATEMENT IN THE ENTIRE REPORT.
IT'S YOUR OR YOUR GENERAL FUND.
YOU CAN SEE THERE ON PAGE ONE THERE TOTAL REVENUES IN THE GENERAL FUND OF $67.7 MILLION COMPARED TO THE BUDGET AMOUNT OF $62.7 MILLION FOR A SURPLUS OF $5 MILLION.
AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, ON PAGE FOUR, YOUR TOTAL EXPENDITURES WERE $51.6 MILLION COMPARED TO A FINAL BUDGET OF $55 MILLION.
SO AN ADDITIONAL SURPLUS ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE OF $3.4 MILLION.
AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY BEFORE IT TRANSFERS OUT TO OTHER FUNDS.
JUST BRIEFLY POINT YOUR ATTENTION THERE.
THOSE ARE THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS RELATED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.
LET'S SEE UNDER THAT STATISTICAL SECTION TAB.
THESE ARE YOUR STAT TABLES WHERE IT GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE TREND ANALYSIS.
GIVES TEN YEARS WORTH OF DATA.
THE TWO I POINT YOUR ATTENTION TO.
TABLE THREE ON PAGE 167, THE TOP HALF OF THAT SHOWS THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE.
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AND AS YOU CAN SEE THERE STARTING IN 2013, YOUR GENERAL FUND BALANCE WAS $16 MILLION.IT'S PRETTY STEADILY JUST INCREASED TO THE CURRENT YEAR AMOUNT OF THAT $37.8 MILLION.
THIS IS OUR INDEPENDENT AUDITOR'S REPORT ON INTERNAL CONTROLS OVER FINANCIAL REPORTING.
AS PART OF OUR AUDIT PROCESS, WE'RE REQUIRED TO TEST VARIOUS DIFFERENT CONTROLS AND VARIOUS DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE ENTIRE CONTROL SYSTEM OF THE COUNTIES AND SCHOOL BOARD.
AS PART OF OUR TESTING, WE HAD NO ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE REPORTED HERE, KIND OF A CLEAN REPORT.
THERE NO SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCIES, NO MATERIAL WEAKNESSES.
SO ALL CLEAN ON THAT REPORT AND THEN THE NEXT REPORT THERE, PAGE 187 THROUGH 189.
THIS AGAIN IS GOING TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT COMPARED TO PRIOR YEARS BECAUSE THE OPINIONS NOW AT THE TOP, THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE ON THE AUDITOR RESPONSIBILITY ON THE SECOND PAGE.
AND HERE THIS IS OUR OPINION OVER THE FEDERAL COMPLIANCE PIECE OF THE COUNTY AUDIT.
WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO SINGLE AUDITS ON VARIOUS DIFFERENT FEDERAL PROGRAMS, DEPENDING ON IF THEY'RE NEW, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT KIND OF COVID POTS OF MONEY THAT NUMBER HAS INCREASED QUITE A BIT FOR THIS YEAR.
BUT THERE ARE NO MATTERS OF NONCOMPLIANCE THAT WERE REQUIRED TO BE DISCLOSED THERE.
AND THE LAST THING I POINT YOUR ATTENTION TO, PAGE 190-191.
THAT'S JUST THE FEDERAL IDENTIFICATION NUMBER, HOW THEY TRACK IT ON THE FEDERAL SIDE THERE.
AND FROM THERE I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL HAVE.
QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS? NO, MA'AM. NO QUESTIONS.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ME.
NEXT, WE HAVE A VOTING LOCATION CHANGE FROM THE REGISTRAR'S OFFICE.
MS. [INAUDIBLE]. GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU. IF YOU RECALL, LAST YEAR ABOUT THIS TIME, WE WERE DISCUSSING MOVING PRECINCT PRECINCTS, ABOUT THE TIME THAT WE HAD TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE COURTS PRECINCT DUE TO REDISTRICTING.
AT THAT TIME, WE MENTIONED THAT WE WOULD BE BACK BECAUSE WE HAD SOME OTHER CONCERNS ABOUT PRECINCTS.
THOSE TWO PRECINCTS ARE REEVES, WHICH IS LOCATED AT THE OLD WALTON SCHOOL.
PRETTY OBVIOUS WHY WE HAVE TO MOVE THAT ONE.
THE SECOND ONE IS WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE JEFFERSON PARK, WHICH IS CURRENTLY AT FAITH BAPTIST CHURCH.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TOTAL OF ABOUT 5200 VOTERS, 35 AT JEFFERSON PARK, 25 AT WALTON.
I'VE SENT JUST SOME SLIDES HERE.
IT'S JUST SIMPLY THEY'RE TALKING POINTS THAT WE'VE TALKED THROUGH AS TO WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS, WHY WE THINK THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM OR PROBLEMS WITH THESE PRECINCTS.
AND THEIR REQUEST IS THAT WE CAN WORK THROUGH AND MOVE THESE BY THE TIME WE HAVE WHAT IS A POTENTIAL BUT PROBABLE, VERY PROBABLE PRIMARY IN JUNE OF 2023.
I'LL BE QUITE HONEST, YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR A LOT ABOUT AVOIDANCE OF ISSUES IN THE PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY AS WE, THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS IN 2024 AS WE GO THROUGH THIS. AND I THINK YOU MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ONCE WE TALK ABOUT WHY WE THINK 2023 IS THE TARGET OF WHEN WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE THESE PRECINCT MOVES. OKAY.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEXT SLIDE HERE.
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THAT WAS A NOT SO GOOD SURPRISE.THE PRIMARY IN 2023 IS JUNE 20TH.
IT WILL BE THE PRIMARY PARTICIPANTS AT THAT POINT COULD CONCEIVABLY BE TWO HOUSE OF DELEGATES SEATS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN PRINCE GEORGE, NOW AS YOU KNOW, AND A STATE SENATE SEAT.
THERE COULD BE, THESE COULD BE DUAL PRIMARIES, MEANING THAT AT THE SAME TIME IN THE SAME FACILITY, WE'LL HAVE A REPUBLICAN PRIMARY AND A DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY FOR AS MUCH AS THOSE THREE OFFICES.
I DON'T THINK I NEED TO TELL YOU THAT GETS A LITTLE CONFUSING.
AND WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL IN HOW WE DO THOSE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT WILL HAPPEN IN JUNE.
WHAT WE DID IS WE WENT BACK AND WE LOOKED AT THE LAST TIME THAT OUR CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS, THAT MANY OF MAYBE OUR CLERK, THE SHERIFF, AS WELL AS OUR HOUSE OF DELEGATES MEMBERS AND OUR SENATE WERE ON A BALLOT AT THE SAME TIME.
AND WE HAD ABOUT 42% OF THE TURNOUT THAT CAME AT THAT POINT.
NOW, REALISTICALLY THAT WAS BEFORE EARLY VOTING.
YES, WE HAD OFFSITE, ABSENTEE, BUT WE DID NOT HAVE THE EARLY VOTING OPPORTUNITIES WE DO NOW.
BUT IT'S ABOUT WAS ABOUT 42% OF THE TURNOUT.
WE THINK THAT IF WE GO ON AND MOVE THIS PRECINCT NOW, IT COULD ACTUALLY WORK, WORK IF WE MOVE IT BEFORE THE PRIMARY, COULD WORK TO OUR ADVANTAGE. IF WE MOVE THOSE PRECINCTS, WE CAN HAVE THEM GO THROUGH A PRIMARY CYCLE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, I MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW WHY WE'RE MOVING REAVES BUT WHY WE'RE MOVING FROM BAPTIST CHURCH IS IS REALLY A SECURITY AND A SAFETY ISSUE.
THEY HAVE BEEN REALLY GENEROUS AND KIND TO US.
AND IF YOU'RE ONLY IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING OR ON THE TWO SIDES, YOU DON'T REALIZE THAT THERE IS A HUGE STEEP DROP OFF IN THE BACK THAT MOST VOTERS HAVE TO WALK DOWN TO GET IN THE BACK DOOR.
ON A WET OR AN ICY DAY IT IS VERY, VERY DANGEROUS.
AND WE HAVE VERY FEW OF THE PARKING SPACES.
THERE ARE LESS THAN TEN PARKING SPACES BACK THERE, ALL TOTAL, EVEN THE HANDICAPPED.
BECAUSE THE CHURCH DOESN'T USE THAT AS AN ACCESS.
THE HANDICAPPED SPACES ARE, MOST OF THEM ARE UP ON THOSE TWO SIDES.
SO YOU CAN GO IN SIDE DOORS, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO.
WE DON'T THINK IF WE GET AN ADA AUDIT THAT WE WILL PASS THAT AUDIT.
WE THINK WE WILL GET A NOTICE THAT SAYS THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM HERE, AN ISSUE THAT WE'D LIKE TO, THAT THEY WOULD LIKE FOR US TO TAKE CARE OF. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING THAT WE MOVE THIS PRECINCT WHILE WE'RE MOVING PRECINCTS.
THE DOWNSIDE OR THE CONS OF MOVING IN 2023 IS YES, IF WE KEEP WALTON SCHOOL OPEN FOR TWO MORE ELECTIONS, IT'S GOING TO COST US MONEY.
THE OTHER THING IS WE ARE AWARE AND IT'S KIND OF A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD, THAT THERE'S A LOT OF ELECTIONS, A LOT OF SEATS UP FOR ELECTION NEXT FALL. WE'RE AWARE OF THAT AND WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE VERY CAREFUL ON HOW WE DID THIS.
AND WE'RE GOING TO ONE OF THE SLIDES WHEN WE GET TO HERE IN A SECOND.
MAYBE. OBVIOUSLY, WE DO NOT SEE A PLUS SIDE IN MOVING PRECINCTS IN A PRESIDENTIAL YEAR. WE WILL HAVE A PRIMARY.
MOST PROBABLY WE WILL HAVE A PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY IN MARCH.
SO ONE OF THE TWO POLITICAL PARTIES WILL PROBABLY HAVE A STATE PRIMARY THAT WILL HAVE TO DO IN JUNE.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE TURN RIGHT AROUND AND WE LOOK AT THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN NOVEMBER.
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WE ARE VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT ANYTHING THAT WE DO IN A PRESIDENTIAL YEAR.I DON'T THINK I NEED TO TO SHARE A LOT ABOUT WHAT WE FACE DURING A PRESIDENTIAL YEAR.
ANYTHING THAT WE DO THAT CAN BE CONSTRUED AS VOTER SUPPRESSION, AS AN INTEGRITY POSITION, AS ANYTHING THAT LOOKS TO SOMEBODY THROUGH WHATEVER THEIR LENS IS LIKE THAT WE'RE DOING SOMETHING THEY DON'T LIKE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
WE JUST DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THAT IN 2024.
LAST PRESIDENTIAL, WE HAD A 72% TURNOUT.
YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE AND WHAT IT IS WHEN WE HAVE THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS AND THE ELECTION THIS YEAR VERSUS WHAT WE HAVE AS A TURNOUT COME A PRESIDENTIAL YEAR. SO HUGE NUMBER OF VOTERS THAT ARE IMPACTED POTENTIALLY THAT ARE DIFFERENT THERE.
OBVIOUSLY, WE WORRY ABOUT AND I JUST MENTIONED THIS KIND OF OUT OF SEQUENCE HERE, BUT WE ARE VERY WORRIED ABOUT THE PROBLEMS WITH CAMPAIGNS, WITH POLITICAL OPERATIVES, WITH PEOPLE WHO THINK THEY ARE SELF-APPOINTED EXPERTS, WHO SUDDENLY DECIDE THAT WHATEVER WE'VE DONE, IF WE MOVE A PRECINCT, HAD SOME ULTERIOR MOTIVE, NOT JUST THAT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM FALLING DOWN THE HILL AND BREAKING THEIR LEG.
SO WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT KEEPING THINGS AWAY FROM THE FROM THE PRIMARY.
WE DO THINK THAT WE COULD WE COULD GET ALL, IF WE YOU ALL SAID, NO, WE HAVE TO DO IT IN 24.
WITH THREE ELECTIONS, WE'LL BE STRUGGLING, I THINK, TO GET EVERYTHING DONE IN A SEQUENCE, TO GET IT DONE DURING ONE OF THOSE THREE ELECTION CYCLES.
WHAT HAPPENS IF WE MOVE AND SUDDENLY THE SCHOOL'S NOT READY? WE'RE NOT.
THERE IT IS. SO IF THE SCHOOL'S NOT READY, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? AND THIS HAS BEEN DONE IN LOCALITIES AROUND THE STATE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SCHOOLS NOT READY FOR US COME JUNE 20TH TO DO A PRIMARY.
I'M ASSUMING THAT WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE A PRIMARY.
WE CAN ACTUALLY PUT TENTS OUTSIDE WITH A PORTABLE GENERATOR AND WITH THE, WITH OUR NEW EQUIPMENT THAT YOU ALL HAVE FUNDED FOR US THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACQUIRE, HOW WE'RE ABLE TO MANAGE IT AND WITH THE EXPERTISE OF THE ELECTION OFFICERS THAT ALLEN AND HIS STAFF AND OUR ELECTION OFFICIALS ARE, WE CAN ACTUALLY RUN AN ELECTION OUTSIDE.
OBVIOUSLY, IF IT'S A HUGE TORNADO THAT DAY, THAT'S NOT REAL GOOD.
THEY HAD A DRIVE UP, THEY MANAGED SO THEY HAD BIG TENTS PUT UP AND THEY ACTUALLY WOULD DRIVE THROUGH PRETTY MUCH LIKE YOUR CURBSIDE AND THEY NEVER GOT OUT OF THE CARS.
OBVIOUSLY, THE WORRY ABOUT THAT IS WE SPOIL THE VOTER AND HE WANTS THAT EVERY YEAR.
BUT THERE ARE WAYS OF DOING THIS AND THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN CONDUCT A SAFE AND ACCURATE ELECTION, EVEN IF WE DO HAVE TO THINK PERHAPS SOME CREATIVELY, IF THE WORST WOULD HAPPEN.
WE HAD A TOTAL OF THAT WE CAN DOCUMENT SIX PEOPLE WHO WERE UPSET, WHO WENT TO THE WRONG PLACE.
AND IF YOU REMEMBER, THAT IS EVEN MORE COMPLICATED THAN THIS.
NOW, THAT SAID, OUR REGISTRAR HERE WAS ACTUALLY OVER THERE AT 6:30 IN THE MORNING DIRECTING PEOPLE AND TELLING PEOPLE, BECAUSE ONE OF OUR SIGNS JUST DIDN'T GET THERE QUITE IN TIME.
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ELECTIONS. WE WILL HAVE TO NOTIFY ALL OF THOSE FOLKS WHO WERE SCHEDULED TO VOTE IN THOSE TWO PRECINCTS.WE ALSO WILL WRITE ARTICLES FOR YOU GUYS TO PUT INTO THE NEWSLETTER.
ONE TIME'S NOT GOING TO DO THIS.
WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO REALLY DO IT BEFORE PRIMARIES.
AND THEN AS WE GET INTO THE FALL, TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN.
AND WE'RE REALLY GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE THIS MAKE THE VOTERS UNDERSTAND THIS IS A SERVICE FOR THEM.
THIS IS TO MAKE THEIR VOTING EXPERIENCE BETTER AND SMOOTHER.
WE'LL POST NOTICES AT THE OLD PRECINCTS.
AND THEN THE THING THAT WE LEARNED, WE WILL ALSO ON ELECTION DAY, WE WILL HAVE SOME OF OUR ELECTION OFFICERS ASSIGNED TO THE OLD PRECINCTS TO ACTUALLY TALK TO PEOPLE AND TELL THEM WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PLANNING.
THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN, AND THAT IS THE APPROVAL TO GO FORWARD, TO BEGIN THE PROCESS, TO MOVE THESE TWO PRECINCTS FOR 2023. OUR TARGET, OF COURSE, WOULD BE WE'D LOVE TO SEE THIS HAPPEN BY THE PRIMARY IN JUNE, BUT ABSOLUTELY BY NOVEMBER.
HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR IF I JUST.
YOU RAN OVER SOME STUFF ABOUT THE SCHOOL.
I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE A PLACE IN THE SCHOOL EVEN IF IT'S NOT OPEN AND READY TO ROLL THAT YOU COULD USE FOR A VOTING PRECINCT RATHER THAN HAVING TO GO TO THE TENT ROUTE.
WE WERE JUST NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT ASSUMPTION.
I MEAN, THAT'S FOR YOU ALL TO TELL US.
WELL, MR. HUNTER, THAT SCHOOL IS FAR ENOUGH ALONG.
EVEN IF IT'S NOT BEING OCCUPIED, THERE OUGHT TO BE SPACE AVAILABLE.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S OUR FIRST CHOICE.
BUT IF WE HAVE TO DO THINGS THE FIRST TIME THE TENT SOLUTION WAS MADE, JUST TO KIND OF GO DOWN A BUNNY TRAIL, WAS REMEMBER THAT THE TORNADO AND THE EARTHQUAKE IN LOUISA.
AND WHAT THEY ENDED UP DOING IS ELECTION DAY.
THEY IMMEDIATELY, AS WE'VE GOT ALL OF OUR EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT TO GRAB AND WHAT TO GET OUT.
THEY WERE NOT HAVING VOTERS VOTE FOR ABOUT 30 MINUTES.
THEY TOOK THE VOTE, THE POLL BOOKS.
SOMEBODY ELSE GOT THE TABULATOR.
AND THEN THEY WORRIED ABOUT GETTING A TENT AND TABLES AND ALL THAT.
BUT I STILL THINK THERE WOULD BE SOMETHING BETTER THAN THE TENT SOLUTION FOR US HERE.
YOU KNOW. AND WE'VE GOT TIME TO PLAN IT.
RIGHT. IF I CAN ANSWER ANY MORE OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
I AGREE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOVE.
I THINK IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
THE CHURCH FOR JEFFERSON PARK RIGHT NOW, VERY ACCOMMODATING.
ABSOLUTELY. BUT THE HILL IS A CONCERN THERE.
YES. WE'RE FORTUNATE THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD SOMEONE SLIDE DOWN THAT HILL.
AND EVEN IN RAINY WEATHER, IT IS.
THERE'S NO WAY THAT THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING SPACES FOR US TO HAVE AND OF COURSE, THIS IS NO WAY THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN BEFORE FEBRUARY, THE SPECIAL ELECTION.
YEAH, WE'RE SO FAR BEYOND THE SPECIAL ELECTION THAT IT'S.
PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE FEBRUARY 28TH.
I'M GOOD. WHERE, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS IN MIND, WHERE IT WOULD MOVE TO FROM FAITH? FROM FAITH BAPTIST ACROSS THE STREET TO THE NEW MIDDLE.
AND FROM REAVES DOWN TO SACRED HEART.
I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT QUESTION.
HAVE WE TALKED TO SACRED HEART? ARE THEY GOOD WITH IT? YEAH, WE HAD TALKED WITH THEM IN THE PAST WHEN WE DISCUSSED WHEN WE WERE THINKING ABOUT THIS, THEY WERE RESPONDED POSITIVELY THEN.
I HAVE NOT CALLED THEM SINCE WE STARTED THIS AGAIN.
BUT I WILL ONCE YOU KNOW, ONCE WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING FROM, FROM YOUR GUIDANCE.
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THAT'LL BE IMPORTANT TO HAVE THEM WELL, I THINK IT'S A GOOD PLAN.I THINK YOU'VE PLANNED APPROPRIATELY.
AND, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I THINK WE'VE PRETTY MUCH GIVEN A CONSENSUS FROM ALL THE LISTENING.
I THINK THE IDEA WOULD BE TO WORK WITH MR. WHITTEN TO BRING BACK SOME AUTHORITY TO ADVERTISE STARTING JANUARY 10TH.
LINE IT UP FOR THE FEBRUARY 28TH PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT GETS US PAST THE FEBRUARY 21ST SPECIAL ELECTION AND THEN GIVES YOU ENOUGH TIME FROM FEBRUARY 28TH MOVING FORWARD FOR THE PRIMARIES.
CORRECT. THANK YOU, MR. STOKE. OKAY.
OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU. APPRECIATE WORKING WITH YOU GUYS ON THIS.
OUR NEXT ITEM IS DISCUSSION OF THE YEAR 2024 BUDGET CALENDAR.
BOARD MEMBERS, MR. STOKE AND MR. WHITTEN.
BEHIND TAB FIVE IN YOUR BINDERS FOR THIS EVENING'S PACKET, THERE IS A DRAFT FY 24 BUDGET CALENDAR.
I'LL JUST GO OVER IT WITH YOU IF THAT IS ACCEPTABLE AND POINT OUT A FEW DATES, A FEW ITEMS WHERE WE ARE REQUESTING A DECISION ON A PARTICULAR WORK SESSION DAY.
AGAIN, THIS IS A DRAFT CALENDAR AND WE ARE SEEKING YOUR GUIDANCE ON A FEW DATES IN PARTICULAR.
WE ACTUALLY WERE A LITTLE EARLY.
WE GOT THOSE SENT OUT ON NOVEMBER 29TH.
WE COMMUNICATED WITH OUR OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS ON DECEMBER THE EIGHTH AND REQUESTED THAT THEY PROVIDE THEIR REQUESTS TO FINANCE BY JANUARY 9TH. BETWEEN THE 17TH OF JANUARY AND THE 10TH OF FEBRUARY.
MR. STOKE ME, MRS. WALTON AND SOME KEY STAFF WILL BE MEETING WITH EACH DEPARTMENT AND AGAIN, WE WILL BE RECORDING THOSE MEETINGS TO PROVIDE A LINK TO YOU SO THAT YOU CAN VIEW THOSE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WITH DEPARTMENT HEADS.
THE FIRST PRE BUDGET WORK SESSION THAT WE ARE REQUESTING, THERE ARE TWO DATES LISTED THERE IN FEBRUARY, EITHER FEBRUARY 21ST, WHICH IS A TUESDAY, A DATE THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE A REGULAR BOARD MEETING OR WEDNESDAY, THE 22ND.
WE PLAN ON HAVING THE CONSULTANTS FROM MANAGING RESULTS, MARV WEIDNER AND JEREMY STEPHENS, COME IN AND PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THEIR REPORT, THAT ORGANIZATIONAL REVIEW AND STAFFING LEVEL STUDY THAT WILL BE THE FOCUS OF THAT, OUR PRE BUDGET WORK SESSION.
MR. HUNTER, I BELIEVE YOU SERVE ON A BOARD AND MAY HAVE A CONFLICT ON ONE OF THOSE EVENINGS.
THE FIRSTS WILL BE A CONFLICT FOR ME.
DO BOARD MEMBERS KNOW THEIR AVAILABILITY AT THIS POINT OF WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 22ND? I CAN DO THE 22ND.
YEAH, I THINK I CAN. I CAN DO THAT.
I THINK I HAVE AN EYE APPOINTMENT IN THE MORNING, BUT I'LL BE FINE FOR THAT AFTERNOON.
OKAY, WELL, WE'LL TENTATIVELY SCHEDULE THAT FOR THE 22ND.
MS. DREWRY, WHAT TIME ARE WE DOING THESE? WE TYPICALLY EITHER WE HAVE STARTED THOSE AT 5:00 IN THE PAST OR 6 P.M., WHATEVER IS MOST ACCEPTABLE.
I KNOW WITH MR. CARMICHAEL'S WORK SCHEDULE, 6 P.M.
MAY BE A BETTER TIME FOR HIM, DEPENDING ON WHERE HE IS WORKING.
WHAT WOULD THE BOARD LIKE FOR US TO TO SCHEDULE? I MEAN, I CAN ACCOMMODATE MR. CARMICHAEL EARLIER, THE BETTER FOR ME.
I AGREE. BUT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE IF MR. CARMICHAEL CAN MAKE FIVE.
SO DO WE WANT TO TENTATIVELY PLAN ON FIVE AND CHECK WITH HIM BEFORE WE.
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OKAY. I CAN SEND HIM A TEXT OR AN EMAIL.LET'S AIM FOR FIVE AND THEN CHECK WITH IF WE NEED TO ADJUST IT, THIS WE CAN.
ALL RIGHT. BETWEEN FEBRUARY 13TH AND 21ST STAFF WILL CONTINUE TO FINE TUNE REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES, PARTICULARLY WITH STAFFING AND PERSONNEL.
JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, THE 2023 GENERAL ASSEMBLY SESSION IS SCHEDULED TO END ON FEBRUARY 25TH.
IT TYPICALLY TAKES A LITTLE WHILE FOR INFORMATION TO TRICKLE OUT FROM THE SESSION.
WE ARE REQUESTING A PRE BUDGET WORK SESSION ON MARCH THE SECOND, WHICH WILL FOCUS ON REVENUE STREAMS AND ANOTHER ONE ON MARCH THE SEVENTH, WHERE WE WILL WORK WITH THE BOARD TO ESTABLISH YOUR PRIORITIES FOR WHAT IS INCLUDED IN THE INTRODUCED BUDGET. I CAN DO BOTH OF THOSE.
ALL RIGHT. SO MARCH 14TH IS A REGULAR BOARD MEETING DAY, AND THAT IS WHEN WE HAVE PENCILED IN MR. STOKE PRESENTING THE INTRODUCED BUDGET.
THEN WE HAVE ALSO REQUESTED A WORK SESSION FOR THAT THURSDAY ON THE 16TH.
WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT EVENING AUTHORITY TO ADVERTISE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE TAX RATES, INCLUDING ANY EFFECTIVE INCREASE IN THE REAL PROPERTY TAX RATE.
FOR THAT SPECIFIC TYPE OF AD WE NEED A 40 DAY WINDOW.
WE NEED A TEN DAY LEAD TIME ON GETTING THE AD IN THE PAPER.
YEAH, THEY DON'T PUBLISH EVERY DAY.
SO TO SET THE TYPE AND DO ALL THEY HAVE TO DO DIGITALLY, I GUESS IT TAKES THAT LONG.
SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR A DIRECTION THAT NIGHT.
OF COURSE, THE RATE YOU ADVERTISE, YOU COULD ALWAYS GO DOWN.
YOU COULD NOT GO HIGHER THAN THE ADVERTISED RATES.
AND OF COURSE, WE DID PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME INFORMATION, PRELIMINARY FY 24 REVENUE INFORMATION THAT DOES INDICATE WE WILL HAVE A HIGHER THAN 1% INCREASE AND OUR ASSESSED VALUES FOR FY 2460.
WE'RE LOOKING AT FOUR MEETINGS IN MARCH.
AND THE BUDGET WORK SESSION AGAIN ON THE 30TH WOULD BE THE FOURTH.
THAT IS AN EVENING OTHER THAN A REGULAR MEETING.
SO THERE'S FOUR WORK SESSIONS AND THEN YOUR REGULAR MEETING.
YES, MA'AM. I CAN DO THEM ALL.
THEN MOVING ON INTO APRIL, WE HAVE AN 18TH OR 19TH WORK SESSION IF NEEDED.
OFTENTIMES, WE DO NOT NEED THOSE WORK SESSIONS.
THERE WOULD BE A CONFLICT? RIGHT THAT IS A TUESDAY.
SO THE 19TH IS THAT WEDNESDAY.
I'M GOOD FOR IT. OKAY, WELL, WE WILL MAKE THAT FOR THE 19TH.
OKAY. AND THEN APRIL 25TH IS A REGULAR BOARD MEETING DATE.
AND WE WOULD HOLD OR REQUEST TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE TAX RATES THAT EVENING, INCLUDING ANY EFFECTIVE TAX INCREASE FROM INCREASE IN ASSESSED VALUES.
SO ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS RELATED TO THE TAX RATES WOULD BE THAT ONE NIGHT, A FUN NIGHT.
AND JUST TO POINT OUT TO THE BOARD, WE CANNOT HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING ON AN EFFECTIVE TAX INCREASE AND THE BUDGET PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SAME NIGHT, PER CODE OF VIRGINIA.
AND THEN WE CANNOT HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BUDGET AND ADOPT THE BUDGET ON THE SAME NIGHT.
SO WE HAVE SOME CONSTRAINTS THERE.
FLIPPING TO THE BACK OF THAT PAGE, WE MOVE INTO MAY AND WE HAVE PUT IN THERE MAY 2ND TO MAKE ANY FINAL ADJUSTMENTS. WORK SESSION ON MAY 2ND.
AND THAT AGAIN, WOULD FINE TUNE.
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THE FIRST TUESDAY OF THE MONTH WOULD FINE TUNE ANY REVENUES.IF WE HAVE BETTER INFORMATION ON BYPOLL OR LICENSE FEES OR EVEN PUBLIC SERVICE TAXES, WE WOULD ASK TO MAKE THOSE THAT EVENING AND THEN INCORPORATE ANY GENERAL ASSEMBLY REVENUE, KNOWN REVENUES AT THAT TIME TOO.
WE WOULD ASK THAT WE HOLD THE BUDGET PUBLIC HEARING ON MAY 9TH, SINCE WE CANNOT DO THAT ON APRIL 25TH AND THEN ADOPT THE BUDGET ON MAY 23RD.
BUT SIMILAR TO, I GUESS, A STATEMENT THAT WAS READ FOR FY 23, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM WOULD LIKELY BE LOOKING FOR SOME ASSURANCE ON MAY 9TH THAT THE LOCAL REVENUE WON'T CHANGE UPON ADOPTION ON MAY 23RD SO THAT THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND ISSUE THEIR TEACHER CONTRACTS.
PENNYCUFF AND MS. BARNES AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
HOW DID WE DO THAT LAST YEAR? YES, SIR, WE SURE DID.
AND TYPICALLY, AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING YOUR TAX RATE, PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPTION, AND WITH THE BUDGET PUBLIC HEARING, WE TYPICALLY DON'T CHANGE LOCAL REVENUES AT UPON ADOPTION.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY.
ALL RIGHT. I'M GOOD WITH ALL THAT.
WE WILL MAKE THOSE CHANGES AND THEN WE WILL FINALIZE THAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MS. DREWRY. OUR NEXT ITEM IS THE EXPLANATION OF BYLAW PROCESS FOR JANUARY.
MR. WHITTEN. YES, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
SO I HANDED OUT BEFORE THE MEETING, SHORT OUTLINE, THE DETAILS, THE BYLAWS THAT WENT INTO EFFECT JANUARY 25TH OF THIS YEAR REGARDING THE CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRMAN.
AND THEN MR. CARMICHAEL WOULD ACTUALLY BECOME THE CHAIRMAN IN THAT PERIOD BETWEEN JANUARY 1ST AND THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS JANUARY 10TH, SINCE HE'S THE LONGEST SERVING BOARD MEMBER. MR. CARMICHAEL WOULD OPEN THE MEETING ON JANUARY 10TH, WHICH IS THE ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING, AND THE POSITIONS OF CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRMAN WOULD THEN ROTATE ANNUALLY BASED ON SENIORITY.
SO AT THAT MEETING ON JANUARY 10TH, WE WOULD HAVE ELECTIONS FOR CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRMAN.
MR. STOKE WOULD BE THE ONE WHO WOULD ASK FOR NOMINATIONS.
I WOULD SERVE AS PARLIAMENTARIAN.
AND ONE THING THAT OUR BYLAWS DO NOT ADDRESS IS THIS FIRST CYCLE WHO ACTUALLY, WHERE DO WE START? DOES THE CURRENT VICE CHAIRMAN AUTOMATICALLY GO TO CHAIRMAN, WHICH IS MR. HUNTER. DO WE START AT THAT POINT.
OR DO WE START FROM THE VERY BEGINNING AND BASED ON SENIORITY AND MR. CARMICHAEL BECOMES THE CHAIRMAN ON JANUARY 10TH.
HE'S ACTUALLY ELECTED CHAIRMAN FOR THAT YEAR.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THE BOARD NEEDS TO DISCUSS SINCE THE BYLAWS DON'T ADDRESS THAT CLEARLY.
AND THE BOARD JUST HAVE A CONSENSUS.
AFTER WE GO THROUGH ALL THESE STEPS, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT.
AND IF THE BOARD MEMBER THAT IS NEXT IN LINE DECLINES A POSITION, THE POSITION OF CHAIRMAN OR VICE CHAIRMAN WILL ROTATE TO THE NEXT BOARD MEMBER BASED ON SENIORITY AND THE BOARD MEMBER THAT DECLINES THAT WOULD GO BACK TO THE BOTTOM OF THE ROTATION, TO THE START OF THE ROTATION.
SO RIGHT NOW IN SENIORITY, MR. CARMICHAEL HAS SENIORITY, THEN MR. HUNTER AND THEN MR. WEBB. AND WE WOULD JUST GO FROM THERE.
SO WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BYLAWS AND THE PROCEDURES? ONLY QUESTION I HAD OR THE ONLY RECOMMENDATION I WOULD HAVE IS THAT WE WOULD START THE ROTATION FROM WHERE WE CURRENTLY ARE, MEANING THAT MR. I WAS ALWAYS UNDER THAT ASSUMPTION, BUT THAT MR. HUNTER, SINCE HE'S THE VICE CHAIR CURRENTLY, HE WOULD MOVE INTO THE, OF COURSE BE ELECTED INTO THE CHAIRMAN ROLE AND THEN THE NEXT SENIOR LEVEL PERSON WOULD THEN BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE VICE CHAIR.
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THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION ON HOW WE WOULD START THIS NEW PROCESS.WELL, THAT'S THE WAY I INTERPRETED IT WHEN WE WERE MAKING THE BYLAW CHANGE.
SO. YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, I SAID EARLIER, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT.
SO THE NEXT SENIOR PERSON, WOULD THAT BE MR. CARMICHAEL BE VICE CHAIR? CARMICHAEL BECAUSE HE'D BE THE MOST SENIOR PERSON, WOULD BE MR. CARMICHAEL IN THAT CASE.
SO MR. CARMICHAEL WOULD BE VICE CHAIR.
STARTED FROM MR. HUNTER. IT WAS JUST A QUESTION OF JUST TRYING TO GET A CLARIFICATION.
IF FOR SOME REASON MR. CARMICHAEL TURNED IT DOWN THEN IT WOULD GO TO MR. WEBB. BECAUSE MR. BROWN, MS. WAYMACK STARTED AT THE SAME TIME.
CORRECT. AGAIN, THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT ON IT, THAT I THINK IT SHOULD START WITH OUR CURRENT VICE CHAIR GOING TO THE CHAIR ROLE THAT STARTS THAT ROTATION THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED.
I'M FINE WITH IT. HOW ABOUT YOU, MR. WEBB? I'M FINE WITH IT.
SO THE CONSENSUS IS AND I CAN TALK TO MR. CARMICHAEL, INFORM HIM.
I CAN GIVE HIM A PHONE CALL. JUST KIND OF UPDATE ON WHAT WE DISCUSSED.
THAT'S THE LAST ITEM ON OUR WORK SESSION.
SO WE WILL BE IN RECESS UNTIL 7:00.
THE BOARD HAS BEEN IN RECESS AND I NOW CALL IT TO ORDER FOR THE BUSINESS PORTION OF OUR MEETING.
MIC] WILL WE COME TO ORDER, PLEASE
[INVOCATION]
? WE WILL NOW HAVE AN INVOCATION.THE BOARD'S INVOCATION BY MR. BROWN. FIRST, I'D LIKE TO ASK IF WE COULD HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
WE LOST A DEAR FRIEND, A TRUE PRINCE GEORGE RESIDENT, A VOLUNTEER IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
WE LOST MR. BUREN. AND I WOULD JUST SAY AT THIS TIME, ASK FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
THANK YOU. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME TO YOU THIS EVENING ONLY AS YOU KNOW HOW.
BUT HEAVENLY FATHER, WE ASK, THIS BOARD ASKS YOU THIS EVENING TO WRAP YOUR LOVING ARMS OF PROTECTION AROUND THE BEREAVED FAMILY AND LET THEM KNOW, HEAVENLY FATHER, THAT YOU ARE IN THE MIDST. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE KNOW THERE WILL BE SOME WEEPING.
WE KNOW THERE WILL BE SOME HEAVY HEARTS.
AND WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL MISS HIM.
BUT HEAVENLY FATHER, YOU KNOW, AS YOU HAVE WATCHED OVER HIM FOR ALL THESE YEARS, YOU KNOW WHAT HE'S DONE HERE IN THIS COUNTY, YOU KNOW, HEAVENLY FATHER, WHAT AN ASSET HE HAS BEEN TO PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY AND A FINE AND UPSTANDING CITIZEN.
AND HEAVENLY FATHER, WE CONTINUE TO ALWAYS ASK YOU TO WATCH OVER OUR PUBLIC SAFETY, ALL OF OUR CITIZENS, ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES, EVERYONE HERE IN PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY. BECAUSE, HEAVENLY FATHER, IT TAKES ALL OF US TO MAKE PRINCE GEORGE A GREAT COMMUNITY.
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AND HEAVENLY FATHER, WE ALSO ASK YOU AT THIS TIME TO WATCH OVER OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AS EACH AND EVERY DAY HE DOES THE BEST THAT HE CAN TO SEE THAT PRINCE GEORGE IS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND ON THE RIGHT PATH.HEAVENLY FATHER, WE ASK ALL OF THIS IN YOUR NAME THIS EVENING.
AMEN. MR. WEBB, WOULD YOU PLEASE LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE? THANK YOU.
[PUBLIC COMMENTS]
COMMENTS. ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD MAY COME FORWARD.YOU WILL HAVE 4 MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE BOARD.
YOU MAY NOT SPEAK TO ANY ISSUE INCLUDED IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANYONE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE DO SO.
YES, SIR. MA'AM, I'M DAVID EDWARDS, 5301 MICA DRIVE.
I WOULD LIKE, MY WIFE IS AN EMPLOYEE HERE WITH THE COUNTY CIRCUIT COURT.
LOOKING FORWARD TO GOING TO THE COUNTY DINNER ON THURSDAY NIGHT.
SHE DOESN'T GET OFF TILL 5:00.
SO IT WAS ALL WE COULD DO TO CHANGE CLOTHES AND GET HER THERE.
IT TOOK THEM ABOUT 3 MINUTES TO CHECK HER DRIVER'S LICENSE.
BUT THEN WHEN THEY CHECKED MY LICENSE HE ASKED ME TO PULL OVER TO THE SIDE.
THEN WE WAITED THERE FOR 15 TO 20 MINUTES.
AND THEN HE COMES BACK AND SAYS, I'M A SECURITY RISK.
I'VE BEEN IN THIS COUNTY, I WAS BORN IN HOPEWELL HOSPITAL.
I GO OUT OF THIS COUNTRY THREE AND FOUR TIMES A YEAR THROUGH CUSTOMS, ALL KIND OF STUFF.
AFTER HE TELLS ME I'M A SECURITY RISK, IT'S FIVE MINUTES TO SIX.
NOT MENTIONING THAT MY WIFE PAID FOR ME 28 BUCKS OR WHATEVER IT WAS.
MONEY'S NO, THAT'S NOT THE OBJECT, BUT.
THEN HE TELLS ME HE'LL ESCORT ME DOWN TO LEE GATE TO TALK TO HIS SERGEANT.
OF COURSE, AT THAT TIME IT'S TOO LATE TO GO TO THE DINNER.
I WOULD ASK MR. STOKES OR WHOEVER'S IN CHARGE, WE CAN PUT OUR MONEY BACK IN THIS COMMUNITY AND NOT PUT IT INTO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
I SERVED PROUDLY 50 YEARS AGO.
BUT IT'S NOT THE SAME GOVERNMENT AND MILITARY AS I DID 50 YEARS AGO.
AND I'M SORRY TO BE LIKE THAT.
BUT MY WIFE WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO GOING.
SO I'M SURE Y'ALL HAD A GOOD TIME.
I HOPE YOU DID, BUT WE DIDN'T.
SO I WOULD REQUEST THAT THAT MR. STOKES OR HR OR WHOEVER WOULD CONSIDER FINDING A VENUE THAT WE CAN SERVE OUR COMMUNITY WITH OUR MONEY INSTEAD OF GOING OVER TO THEM CLOWNS OVER THERE.
I'M SO SORRY THAT HAPPENED TO YOU.
AND WE WILL LOOK INTO THAT FOR YOU.
MR. EDWARDS, I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND.
I'VE ALREADY ASKED OUR HR DEPARTMENT TO BOOK THE HOPEWELL MOOSE FOR NEXT YEAR.
OKAY. I MEAN, IT'S RIDICULOUS.
AND THAT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME.
IT'S FIRST TIME IT'S HAPPENED TO ME.
SO I'D APPRECIATE IF YOU'RE DOING THAT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK?
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GOOD EVENING, REID FOSTER, LAUREL SPRING ROAD.I WANT TO TALK ABOUT MY FAVORITE SUBJECT.
I HAVE BEEN RESEARCHING FOR THE PAST THREE WEEKS TO FIND OUT WHO MADE THE DECISION TO CUT THE RADIOS FROM THE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS.
THANK YOU, MR. BROWN, BECAUSE IT WAS ANNOUNCED IN THE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION MEETING THAT YOU WERE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD WHEN THE DECISION WAS MADE TO CUT FUNDS BECAUSE WE WERE OVER BUDGET.
NOW, WHEN YOU ALL VOTED ON THIS RADIO SYSTEM, $23 MILLION WORTH, YOU ALL GUARANTEED THE VOLUNTEERS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO GET ONE FOR ONE, AND WE HAVEN'T GOT THAT.
DO WHAT'S IN THE BOARD'S MINUTES.
IT'S NOTHING IN THE BOARD MINUTES ABOUT CUTTING.
BUT YOU FUNDED ONE FOR ONE RADIO FOR THE VOLUNTEERS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. FOSTER. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE TO COME FORWARD TO SPEAK? SEEING NO ONE ELSE I CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
NOW WE GO TO THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.
[ADOPTION OF AGENDA ]
DO I HAVE A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR, I SO MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED.THANK YOU. NOW WE NEED TO APPROVE THE ORDER OF CONSENSUS.
[ORDER OF CONSENSUS]
DO I HAVE A MOTION.I SO MOVE WE APPROVE THE ORDER OF CONSENSUS AS PRESENTED.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
THANK YOU. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
THE ORDER OF CONSENSUS IS APPROVED.
[PRESENTATIONS]
NEXT, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION.MR. HUNTER WILL GIVE THE PRESENTATION TO LIEUTENANT NOEL WATSON.
MR. WATSON, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
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ONE OF THE MOST PLEASANT THINGS WE HAVE TO DO IS AWARD PRESENTATIONS.[SUPERVISORS’ COMMENTS]
NEXT ON THE AGENDA ARE THE SUPERVISORS COMMENTS? MR. WEBB.WATCH OUT FOR ALL THE FOOLS YOU CAN'T DETECT, BUT I HOPE EVERYBODY HAS A PROSPEROUS ONE.
MR. BROWN. YEAH, I TOO WOULD LIKE TO WISH EVERYONE A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR.
BUT I DO FEEL OBLIGATED TO RESPOND ON A COMMENT EARLIER.
IF YOU'VE GOT A PROBLEM WITH SOMETHING I'VE DONE, PICK THE PHONE UP AND CALL ME.
SO IF YOU WANT TO BE A MAN, STEP UP AND COME TALK TO ME.
AND IF I'VE DONE SOMETHING WRONG, I'LL ADMIT IT.
BUT I JUST DON'T LIKE SEEING THE WAY THINGS GO DOWN HERE IN THIS COUNTY.
SO AGAIN, I DON'T REMEMBER A SITUATION WHERE I, AS ONE BOARD MEMBER, EVEN AS THE CHAIR, I HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO MAKE A DECISION FOR THIS ENTIRE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
SO, AGAIN, IF THAT'S THE CASE, LET'S GET TOGETHER, LET'S TALK, BRING IT TO ME.
LET ME PULL UP THE MINUTES. LET ME SEE WHAT I SAID AND I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ADDRESS IT.
MR. HUNTER. YES, I AGREE WITH WHAT MR. WEBB SAID AND WISH EVERYBODY A HAPPY HOLIDAY.
CONDOLENCES TO THE BUREN FAMILY.
TOMMY AND I WERE GREAT FRIENDS FOR MANY YEARS, SO IT'S A REAL LOSS AND TO ME PERSONALLY, AS WELL AS TO THE COUNTY. SO HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO EVERYONE.
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THANK YOU, MR. HUNTER.AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I HOPE EVERYONE HAS A HEALTHY AND HAPPY CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR.
THERE'S A LOT OF SICKNESS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE SICK.
IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD YOUR FLU SHOT YET, IT'S NOT TOO LATE.
THANK YOU AND MERRY CHRISTMAS.
[COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR’S COMMENTS]
NOW WE GO TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S COMMENTS.FIRST OFF, IS THE BENJAMIN HARRISON BRIDGE.
THERE WILL BE FULL CLOSURES IN EFFECT THROUGH 5 A.M.
AND THEN THERE WILL BE NIGHTLY CLOSURES FROM 7 P.M.
TO 5 A.M., DECEMBER 19TH THROUGH DECEMBER 23RD.
IN ADDITION, TRI-CITIES ER WILL BECOME PRINCE GEORGE ER.
AND A RENAMING CEREMONY WILL BE HELD TOMORROW NIGHT AT 5 P.M.
AT THE TRI-CITIES HOSPITAL CAFE.
REGISTRATION HAS PASSED, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO VOLUNTEER, PLEASE CONTACT MR. BROWN, WHO IS SPEARHEADING THIS EFFORT.
[REPORTS]
OUR NEXT ITEM ARE REPORTS FROM VDOT.MRS. SMITH, OR MRS. VDOT. THANK YOU.
SO OUR CREWS THIS WEEK ARE WORKING ON WIDENING THE MEDIAN AT ROUTE 10 AND RUFFIN.
THAT'S THE SECTION THAT WE ACTUALLY WIDENED THE SHOULDER AND PAVED IT EARLIER IN THE YEAR.
AS MR. STOKES MENTIONED EARLIER, THE VHB WILL HAVE FULL CLOSURE 16TH THROUGH THE 19TH AND THEN NIGHT CLOSURES, THE 19TH THROUGH THE 23RD. THE BRIDGES ON GOLF COURSE AND LONE OAK MILL WERE AWARDED THOSE DETOURS.
GOLF COURSE WILL BE PUMPHOUSE AND LONE OAK MILL WILL BE THWEATT.
WE EXPECT THAT TO GET STARTED IN THE SPRING.
WE ALSO HAVE AWARDED THE BULL HILL ROUNDABOUT PROJECT.
THAT HAS A DELAYED NOTICE TO PROCEED FOR MAY OF 2023, AND THEN WE HAVE PREPARED AN ESTIMATE FOR THE COUNTY'S REVIEW FOR THE HINES ROAD DITCH GRADING THAT WAS SUBMITTED.
AND IF THE COUNTY AGREES THAT THE ESTIMATE IS A FAIR ESTIMATE, I EXPECT THEY'LL BE BRINGING THAT TO THE BOARD FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF DESIGNATING THE FUNDS FOR THAT PROJECT. I ALSO WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT MR. SHANE MANN, OUR DISTRICT ADMINISTRATOR, HAS BEEN PROMOTED TO THE ASSISTANT CHIEF ENGINEER.
HE HAS BEEN PRECEDED BY MR. DALE TOTTEN AS OUR NEW RICHMOND DISTRICT ENGINEER.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR TONIGHT.
I WANT TO WISH YOU ALL MERRY CHRISTMAS AS WELL.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING FOR ME TONIGHT? DO YOU HAVE AN APPROXIMATION OF HOW LONG THOSE BRIDGES WILL BE OUT? I DON'T. I CAN LOOK THAT INFORMATION UP AND SEND IT OUT TO YOU ALL.
I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE SOMEBODY ASKED ME THE OTHER DAY AND I SAID, I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA.
IT MIGHT BE A GOOD THING TO POST ON SOCIAL MEDIA AS WELL.
SO WE'LL GET THAT INFORMATION OUT TO YOU GUYS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. HAVE A GOOD DAY.
[ORDER OF BUSINESS (Part 1 of 2)]
NEXT, WE GO TO OUR ORDER OF BUSINESS, A1 THE RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FOR RICHARD BLAND COLLEGE TRANSITION.IT'S A VERY EXCITING TIME ON OUR CAMPUS.
THE STUDENTS ARE MOVING OUT, SO THAT MAKES IT A PARTICULARLY A WONDERFUL TIME.
MR. STOKE AND MR. WHITTEN. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME THIS EVENING.
I THINK BACK IN SEPTEMBER, MR.
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ROBINSON WAS HERE AND TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE INNOVATIVE PROGRAMS THAT THE COLLEGE HAS BEEN PURSUING FOR THE PAST EIGHT OR TEN YEARS, CONSISTENT WITH THE MANDATE OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO PURSUE PARTNERSHIPS WITH INDUSTRY, TO DEVELOP INNOVATIVE EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS, AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT.CURRENTLY, WE'RE GOVERNED BY THE WILLIAM AND MARY BOARD OF VISITORS, OF WHICH THERE IS A SUBCOMMITTEE CALLED THE RICHARD BLAND COMMITTEE, AND THEY GOVERN US AND THEY'RE IN WILLIAMSBURG AND THEY GOVERN THE TRADITIONAL SCHOOL OF WILLIAM AND MARY.
RICHARD BLAND IS IN PETERSBURG, AND WE'RE VERY INNOVATIVE.
WE'RE A VERY DIFFERENT MODEL OF EDUCATION COMPARED TO WILLIAM AND MARY.
WE ARE SEEKING INDEPENDENCE FROM WILLIAM AND MARY.
THE BOARD OF VISITORS FROM WILLIAM AND MARY HAS SUPPORTED THIS MOVE.
WE'RE MOVING FORWARD IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
OUR PATRONS OF THE BILL, OR SENATOR FRANK RALPH, AS WELL AS EMILY BREWER, DELEGATE BREWER.
WE ACTUALLY NOW HAVE A BILL NUMBER OF 1415.
IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW IT THROUGH THE LIS.
TOMMY NORMAN IS SUPPORTIVE OF IT AS WELL.
KIM TAYLOR, DELEGATE TAYLOR AND DINWIDDIE IS SUPPORTIVE AS WELL AS MIKE CHERRY AND COLONIAL HEIGHTS.
SO THERE'S THIS GREAT FORWARD MOMENTUM AND SO WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE JUST LIKE TO SEEK RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FROM OUR COMMUNITY, FROM PRINCE GEORGE, FROM DINWIDDIE, FROM COLONIAL HEIGHTS AND PETERSBURG, THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE SERVE.
BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I THINK IT'S A GRAND IDEA.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, MA'AM.
NO, MA'AM. YOU HAVE A RESOLUTION? YEAH, MADAM CHAIR, IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION, I WOULD SO MOVE THAT WE WOULD SUPPORT THIS RESOLUTION FOR RICHARD BLAND COLLEGE.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
BEST OF LUCK TO RICHARD BLAND.
YES, MA'AM. GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, BOARD MEMBERS, MR. STOKE AND MR. WHITTEN.
AS THE BOARD IS FAMILIAR, WE DO RECEIVE OUR FISCAL YEAR ANNUAL AUDIT, AND MR. ROLLER FROM ROBINSON, FARMER, COX WAS HERE DURING YOUR WORK SESSION TO PRESENT THE FY 22 AUDIT TO YOU.
THE AUDITOR OF PUBLIC ACCOUNTS.
SO WE ARE ASKING THAT YOU GRANT MRS. WAYMACK AND MR. STOKE AUTHORITY TO SIGN A LETTER STATING THAT YOU RECEIVED THE FY 22 AUDIT REPORT.
WE ARE JUST ASKING FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? NO QUESTION, IT WAS A GOOD REPORT EARLIER.
I KNOW HE HAD TO GO TO ANOTHER.
YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MISS DREWRY.
WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? DO WE NEED TO CALL THE ROLL? WE NEED A MOTION AND SECOND.
ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE THE MOTION.
THANK YOU. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
YOU'RE WELCOME. NEXT ITEM IS RELATED TO WATER AND SEWER.
GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR. MEMBERS OF BOARD.
THEREFORE, THE BOARD AUTHORIZED US TO WORK ON A PROJECT THAT WOULD REALIGN AN EXISTING SEWER FORCE MAIN TO ALLOW MORE CAPACITY AT THE BUSINESS PARK, AS WELL AS ALONG ROUTE 460 TO SERVE THOSE EXISTING AND FUTURE BUSINESSES.
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THOSE BIDS WERE RECEIVED ON NOVEMBER 22ND.WE RECEIVED ONE BID AND THAT WAS FROM PERKINS AND CONSTRUCTION.
BOWMAN CONSULTANTS REVIEWED THE BID.
THEY EVALUATED IT AND THEY NOTED EVEN IN THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO AWARD TO PERKINSON THAT THE BID PRICE WAS ACTUALLY ABOUT CLOSE TO HALF A MILLION DOLLARS LESS THAN THEIR ENGINEERING ESTIMATE.
SO THAT'S GOOD NEWS FOR THE COUNTY.
THIS PROJECT DOES REQUIRE AN APPROPRIATION OF FUNDS FOR THE TOTAL AMOUNT, WHICH IS GOING TO BE $1,287,000, AND THIS APPROPRIATION HAS BEEN PLANNED TO BE TAKEN FROM THE ARPA FUNDING THAT'S AVAILABLE.
SO WE'LL BE PLANNING TO APPROPRIATE THOSE FUNDS FROM THE OPERA UTILITY PROJECT CONTINGENCY INTO THIS PROJECT FUND, AND THE STAFF DOES RECOMMEND THE AWARD OF THE PROJECT TO PERKINSON FOR $1,287,023, AND AGAIN, ALSO THE APPROPRIATION AS WELL.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, IF THERE ARE ANY.
MADAM CHAIR, I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS ON A COUPLE OF OCCASIONS AND WITH THE BID COMING IN IN SUCH A FAVORABLE MANNER, I CERTAINLY MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME.
THANK YOU. OUR NEXT ITEM IS AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR AN ORDINANCE CHANGE.
MR. WHITTEN? YES, MADAM CHAIR.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. MR. STOKE.
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, WHICH ARE IN YOUR PACKET, WOULD BRING THE COUNTY CODE IN COMPLIANCE WITH ADDITIONAL VIRGINIA CODE SECTIONS 15.2 -1505.1 15.2-1505.3 AND 19.2-389(A)(7), WHICH WOULD ALLOW ACCESS OF CRIMINAL HISTORY, RECORD INFORMATION OF ANY PERSON, CONDITIONALLY OFFER EMPLOYMENT OR WISHING TO VOLUNTEER IN THE COUNTY.
ALL PERSONS CONDITIONALLY OFFERED EMPLOYMENT OR WISHING TO VOLUNTEER WOULD BE FINGERPRINTED AND PROVIDE PERSONAL DESCRIPTIVE INFORMATION FOR PURPOSES OF OBTAINING CRIMINAL HISTORY INFORMATION.
HUMAN RESOURCES WOULD NOW BE RESPONSIBLE FOR TRANSMITTING INFORMATION TO THE CENTRAL CRIMINAL RECORDS EXCHANGE, AND THE FBI, INSTEAD OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS INVOLVED IN THIS ROLE BEFORE ALL RESULTS WOULD NOW BE RETURNED TO THE HR DEPARTMENT, AND THE HR DIRECTOR WOULD DETERMINE IF THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE RECORD DIRECTLY RELATES TO THE POSITION OR IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE NATURE OF THE EMPLOYMENT OR THE VOLUNTEER POSITION AND WHETHER IT DISQUALIFIES THE PERSON FROM EMPLOYMENT OR VOLUNTEERING. THE AMENDMENT ALSO LISTS THE CONSIDERATIONS TO BE FOLLOWED.
THE DRAFT ORDINANCE IS IN YOUR PACKET.
WE'RE ASKING FOR A MOTION TO ADVERTISE THE ORDINANCE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON JANUARY 10TH OF 2023.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
MADAM CHAIR, IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS OR FURTHER DISCUSSION, I WOULD SO MOVE THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THE ADVERTISEMENT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ORDINANCE THAT WOULD COME BACK BEFORE THIS BOARD ON JANUARY THE 10TH.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS]
THANK YOU. IT IS NOW TIME FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARING.WE'LL GO TO MR. GRAVES. ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR WAYMACK, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. STOKE AND MR. WHITTEN.
PULLING UP THE PRESENTATION HERE.
THIS IS A REQUEST OF PG 1100 JORDAN POINT, LLC TO PERMIT A COUNTRY CLUB WITH GOLF COURSE AND OTHER RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES WITHIN OUR ZONING DISTRICT AND IN A R-1 ZONING DISTRICT PURSUANT TO THOSE ORDINANCE SECTIONS.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WAS FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE JORDAN POINT GOLF COURSE AND COUNTRY CLUB, AND IT'S ON APPROXIMATELY 143 ACRES AND IT'S LOCATED AT 100 JORDAN POINT ROAD AND CONSISTS OF SEVERAL TAX PARCELS, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE MAP
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CALLS FOR RESIDENTIAL USES IN THIS AREA.ON THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THOSE SEVERAL TAX PARCELS AND THE PROPERTY'S LOCATION ALONG JORDAN POINT ROAD AS IT APPROACHES THE BRIDGE, AND YOU CAN SEE MOST OF THE PROPERTIES ON THE WEST SIDE OF JORDAN POINT ROAD AND A PORTION OF THE PROPERTIES ON THE EAST SIDE AND THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ZONING LAWS ON THE PROPERTY.
THE PROPERTY IS STILL OUTLINED THERE.
AS MOST EVERYBODY IS AWARE, THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE GOLF COURSE THAT WAS THERE AT ONE TIME.
YOU CAN STILL SEE THE VISUAL OF THAT FROM ABOVE, AND OF COURSE, IT'S LOCATED ALONG THE JAMES RIVER.
HERE'S SOME RECAP OF WHAT'S HAPPENED SO FAR.
SO AGAIN, PRIOR TO ROUGHLY 2012, PRIOR TO THAT, IT WAS OPERATED AS A GOLF COURSE IN COUNTRY CLUB, AND THEN FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, IT WAS NOT IN USE , AND IN THIS YEAR.
STARTING IN JUNE, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPLICATION FOR GOLF COURSE AND COUNTRY CLUB, AND THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY SHORTLY AFTER THAT, AND IN AUGUST, STAFF REVIEWED THE CASE DURING A PLANNING COMMISSION WORK SESSION.
THAT'S NORMAL, AND AUGUST 25TH, THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS ACTUALLY POSTPONED UNTIL SEPTEMBER.
THAT WAS DUE TO A STAFF ERROR IN THE ADVERTISING.
IN SEPTEMBER, THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING AT THE HOPEWELL LIBRARY WHERE THE APPLICANT MET WITH THE MEMBERS OF MOSTLY THE JORDAN ON THE JAMES HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, BUT THERE WERE OTHER PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT WERE AWARE OF THE MEETING AND ATTENDED AND COUNTY STAFF I ATTENDED FOR COUNTY STAFF AND ON THE 22ND OF SEPTEMBER THAT PUBLIC HEARING WAS POSTPONED TO ALLOW STAFF TIME TO REVIEW THE FEEDBACK THAT WAS RECEIVED FROM THE MEETING AND IN ORDER TO GET EVERYTHING IN ORDER FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THEY VOTED 3 TO 2 TO POSTPONE IT, TO ALLOW STAFF TIME TO REVIEW THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED DURING THAT MEETING, BOTH FROM THE APPLICANT AND THE PUBLIC, AND IN NOVEMBER WE HAD A WORK SESSION AND REVIEWED THE STAFF'S REVISED RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS AS A RESULT OF ALL THAT FEEDBACK, AND THE CHAIRMAN ALSO DID ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK DURING THAT TIME, AND THE APPLICANT DISCUSSED CERTAIN CONDITIONS THAT THEY DID NOT AGREE WITH THAT STAFF WAS RECOMMENDING.
SO, AND THEN ON NOVEMBER 17TH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECONSIDERED TO POSTPONE THE BUSINESS ITEM, AND THEY VOTED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE BOARD SUBJECT TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
JUST TO GO OVER THE BASIC INFORMATION ABOUT THE REQUEST.
THEY WISH TO HAVE COUNTRY CLUB AMENITIES USING THE EXISTING FACILITIES, INCLUDING A SWIMMING POOL, SNACK BAR AND FOOD AND ACTIVITIES TO ENCOURAGE HEALTH AND WELLNESS SUCH AS BIKE TRAILS, PICKLEBALL, COURTS, DRIVING RANGE AND DOG PARK, AND I THINK THAT'S BASICALLY THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS IN THE APPLICATION THAT THEY SUBMITTED.
SO THERE'S NO THEY SAID THEY'VE SAID THAT THERE'S NO INITIAL PLANS TO OPEN A GOLF COURSE AS THEY GET THE BUSINESS STARTED, BUT THEY WOULD POSSIBLY IMPLEMENT A GOLF COURSE IN THE FUTURE AGAIN, AS THE BUSINESS GROWS.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO ALLOW EVENTS SUCH AS WEDDINGS AND RECEPTIONS.
THEY ALSO SAID THAT OTHER EVENTS MIGHT INCLUDE, FOR EXAMPLE, CLASS REUNIONS.
SO THEY GAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF THE TYPES OF EVENTS THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE, AND REGARDING MEMBERSHIP, THEY SAID THEY WILL HAVE MEMBERSHIP DUES TO JOIN THE COUNTRY CLUB AND THE MEMBERS WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THE VARIOUS FACILITIES THAT ARE THERE, AND THEY WANT TO OPEN INITIALLY FROM 10 A.M.
TO 10 P.M. EACH AND EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.
THOSE ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE AS AS THE BUSINESS EVOLVES.
NOW, LATER ON, WHEN WE GET INTO RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS, THE STAFF RECOMMENDED SOME CONSTRAINTS ON THE MAXIMUM BUSINESS HOURS AS IS NORMAL, AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO USE THE EXISTING ENTRANCE SIGNS FOR SIGNAGE.
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THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL OR JUST A MAP SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT AGAIN, SHOWS THE PROPERTY OUTLINE IN RED THERE AND THEY IDENTIFIED SOME OF THE EXISTING FEATURES LIKE THE DRIVING RANGE AND THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.THIS IS A PICTURE STANDING AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE DRIVEWAY LOOKING UP TOWARD THE BUILDINGS AND THE RIVER IS BEHIND THE BUILDINGS.
YOU CAN'T SEE IT, BUT THERE'S SOME REMNANTS OF THE FORMER NETS AND THINGS THAT BLOCKED THAT KEPT THE BULLS IN THE PROPERTY, AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE ONE OF THE TWO ENTRANCE SIGNS ON THE LEFT THERE AND YOU CAN SEE THE ROAD.
THERE'S A TRUCK DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL GET INTO PLANNING AND ZONING REVIEW COMMENTS.
SO COUNTRY CLUB AND GOLF COURSE AND HOSTING EVENTS SUCH AS WEDDINGS AND RECEPTIONS.
SO THE COUNTRY CLUB, AND GOLF COURSE IS WHAT'S PERMITTED IN BOTH DISTRICTS.
THE REASON THAT WE DISTINGUISH THAT IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S PERMITTED IN THE R-1 ZONING, BUT IT WOULD BE PERMITTED IN THE RA ZONING AGAIN ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, AND THEY HAVE A RANGE OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS ACTIVITIES THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE, SUCH AS BIKE TRAILS, PICKLEBALL COURTS, DRIVING RANGES, ETC.
THERE ARE ZONING ORDINANCE DEFINITIONS FOR COUNTRY CLUB.
SORRY, THERE IS NOT A ZONING ORDINANCE DEFINITION FOR COUNTRY CLUB.
SO STAFF LOOKED AT WEBSTER'S DICTIONARY FOR THAT.
A SIMPLE ONE, A SUBURBAN CLUB FOR SOCIAL LIFE AND RECREATION.
WE DO RECOMMEND THAT THERE BE A DEFINITION OF THIS INCLUDED IN THE CONDITIONS.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOES HAVE DEFINITION FOR GOLF COURSE.
IT DOES EXCLUDE DRIVING RANGES.
THERE IS A DEFINITION FOR DRIVING RANGE.
OKAY, CONTINUING THE PLANNING COMMENTS, AGAIN, TWO DIFFERENT ZONINGS.
WEST SIDE IS ONE THING, EAST SIDE IS ANOTHER.
SO IN THE PAST THERE WAS A GOLF COURSE IN COUNTRY CLUB ON THE WEST SIDE.
AGAIN, IT WILL EVOLVE AS THEIR BUSINESS DOES, BUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE PERMIT TO DO A GOLF COURSE IF AND WHEN THE TIME ARRIVES , AND SO THOSE USES ARE SIMILAR AND COMPATIBLE WITH THEIR AREA AS LONG AS THERE ARE REASONABLE CONDITIONS IN PLACE.
STAFF MADE EFFORT TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN EVENTS THAT ARE SPECIAL EVENTS AND ALL OTHER TYPES OF EVENTS, AND WE'LL FOCUS ON THAT A LITTLE MORE LATER, BUT A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR EVENTS THAT ARE OUTDOORS AND HAVE MUSIC AND ENTERTAINMENT, MUSIC OR ENTERTAINMENT AND ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC OR PRODUCE REVENUE FROM DONATIONS OR TICKET SALES.
AGAIN, WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT.
SO, STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS TO ADDRESS OTHER POSSIBLE IMPACTS, SUCH AS GOLF BALLS.
HOURS OF OPERATIONS SPECIFYING WHAT ACTIVITIES ARE PERMITTED, MAKING SURE THERE'S ADEQUATE ONSITE PARKING SIGNAGE, PROTECT THE RESOURCE PROTECTION AREAS, WHICH IS TO PROTECT THE WATER FLOWING INTO THE JAMES RIVER IS WHAT THAT MEANS AND IT'S A CONDITION TO LIMIT THE USE OF THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. THAT'S SUPPOSED TO SAY, LIMIT THE USE OF THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY TO GOLF COURSE AND TRAILS.
THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WILL HAVE MORE STUFF GOING ON WHERE ALL THOSE EXISTING FACILITIES ARE.
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STAFF NOTED THAT THIS APPEARS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.DESIGNATION OF RESIDENTIAL WHICH CAN ACCOMMODATE RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES FOR RESIDENTS AND IT WOULD BE SUPPORTED BY THE COMP PLAN'S GOALS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ENCOURAGING TOURISM AND PROVIDING AMENITIES FOR QUALITY OF LIFE OF RESIDENTS AND VISITORS , AND THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION IN THE COMP PLAN TO REQUIRE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WHEN THERE ARE EXPECTED TRAFFIC IMPACTS FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT EXCEED A CERTAIN THRESHOLD.
REGARDING THE POTENTIAL TRAFFIC IMPACTS OF THIS REQUEST, VDOT REVIEWED THIS AND THEY SAID THE EXISTING ENTRANCE, WHICH IS THE SPACE WHERE PEOPLE COME OFF OF JORDAN POINT ROAD ONTO THE PROPERTY.
THEY SAID THE WIDTH OF THAT IS ADEQUATE TO SERVE THE PROPOSED USES.
SO YOU WOULDN'T [INAUDIBLE] NO.
VDOT REVIEWS THOSE WITH ALL THESE KIND OF REQUESTS, AND THEY SAID THAT IT WAS NOT REQUIRED.
THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE TRIP GENERATION ESTIMATES THAT SUGGEST THAT A TURN LANE MAY NOT BE REQUIRED, AND AGAIN, THAT KIND OF ANALYSIS, IN THESE DEVELOPMENT REVIEWS, THERE'S SITUATIONS IN WHICH THESE REQUIREMENTS ARE AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGERED BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING X, Y, Z.
SO IN THIS CASE, THE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED A CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD SUBMIT A TURN LANE WARRANTS ANALYSIS THAT BASICALLY IS AN ANALYSIS THAT DETERMINES IF TURN LANES ARE NEEDED AND THEY SHOULD DO THAT WITHIN 12 MONTHS AND INSTALL ANY IMPROVEMENTS AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE WITHIN 36 MONTHS.
SO THAT WOULD GIVE THEM TIME TO COMPLETE AND ACCURATE ANALYSIS IN TANDEM WITH STAFF AND VDOT AND THEN GIVE THEM TIME TO INSTALL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IF IT'S REQUIRED, BASED ON THE ANALYSIS.
OKAY, AND THE WORDING OF THE CONDITION PROVIDES FLEXIBILITY TO ALLOW A MORE RESTRICTED USE UNTIL A TURN LANE IS INSTALLED AND WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT, TOO.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION THERE OR DO I NEED TO WAIT TO YOU TO FINISH? IT'S YOUR CHOICE.
YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO THE TRAFFIC STUFF IN MORE DETAIL.
ALL RIGHT, THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS YOU HAVE BUILDING INSPECTIONS.
THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SAID SINCE THEY'RE USING A WELL AND SEPTIC SYSTEM, THEY'LL HAVE TO HAVE IT EVALUATED TO MAKE SURE IT CAN SUPPORT THE STUFF THAT THEY WANT TO DO ON THE PROPERTY AND THAT'LL SET CAPACITY LIMITS ON HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN BE ACCOMMODATED INSIDE OF BUILDINGS OR ON THE PROPERTY.
VDOT, AGAIN, THEY SAID THE COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE THAT'S ALREADY THERE IS ADEQUATE.
THEY DID NOT HAVE AN OBJECTION, AND THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT SAID SINCE THEY'RE NOT PLANNING TO BUILD ANYTHING, ANY NEW BUILDINGS THIS TIME, THAT THERE'S NO EXTENSION OF PUBLIC WATER OR SEWER REQUIRED, BUT IF THEY DO PLAN TO BUILD NEW BUILDINGS IN THE FUTURE, THAT WOULD HAVE ESSENTIALLY BATHROOMS AND NEED NEED WATER AND SEWER SERVICE, THEN THEY WOULD NEED TO EXTEND WATER AND WASTEWATER TO THE PROPERTY.
SO IN AUGUST, STAFF MET WITH THE LEADERSHIP OF JORDAN ON THE JAMES HOA TO DISCUSS THEIR QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROJECT, AND THEN A COMMUNITY MEETING WAS HOSTED BY THE HOA ON SEPTEMBER 7TH.
AGAIN, THAT APPLICANT WAS THERE TO ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS.
THE OVERALL SENTIMENT AT THE MEETING WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THE REQUEST, BUT THEY DID DISCUSS QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT WERE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AS WHAT STAFF DISCUSSED WITH THE HOA ON THE PHONE, WHICH WERE WHAT KIND OF ACTIVITIES WERE GOING TO BE ALLOWED.
THEY WERE ASKING FOR MORE DETAIL.
WHAT IS THE TIMELINE FOR A GOLF COURSE? THEY ASKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND PARKING AND WHAT TYPE OF EVENTS WILL OCCUR AND WHAT SIZE OF EVENTS.
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SO STAFF HAS DONE OUR BEST TO ADDRESS ALL THOSE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS AND THE STAFF REPORT MATERIALS AND OVER TIME, THE CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN UPDATED TO ADDRESS EVERYTHING THAT'S COME UP AS BEST AS WE CAN.THE PUBLIC COMMENTS DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THERE WERE COMMENTS IN SUPPORT.
PEOPLE WERE EXCITED FOR THE NEW AMENITIES.
SHOULD THERE BE A TURN LANE ANALYSIS OF SOME KIND OF TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND CONCERNS ABOUT POTENTIAL WATER QUALITY IMPACTS OF WATER RUNNING OFF A GOLF COURSE INTO LAKE SIMS OR OTHER WATERWAYS.
ALL QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED IN THE STAFF REPORT MATERIALS THAT WE PROVIDED TO THE BOARD AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE THAT, AND AGAIN, WE UPDATED OUR CONDITIONS THAT WE RECOMMEND BASED ON EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT AND THE COMMUNITY.
I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
SO AGAIN, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WE RECOMMEND THAT IT BE LIMITED TO GOLF COURSE AND THE BIKE MULTI-USE TRAILS, AS LONG AS THERE'S A COUNTRY CLUB IN OPERATION ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, BASICALLY, AND THERE WOULD BE A LIMITATION ON ATVS AND GAS POWERED VEHICLES WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED.
AND THAT'S AN EFFORT TO PREVENT NOISY MOTORIZED VEHICLES FROM DISTURBING THE NEIGHBORHOOD , BUT THAT WOULDN'T PREVENT THE USE OF GOLF CARTS AND MAINTENANCE VEHICLES TO TAKE CARE OF THE FACILITIES.
ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THAT'S THE BIGGER SIDE, CLOSE TO THE RIVER.
THAT WOULD BE WHERE THE MAIN ACTIVITIES ARE TAKING PLACE.
SO THAT WOULD ALLOW A GOLF COURSE AND A COUNTRY CLUB IN THE EXISTING STRUCTURES, AND THERE'S WHERE WE DEFINED WHAT A COUNTRY CLUB IS FOR THIS, AND IT WOULD PERMIT AMENITIES CONSISTENT WITH THAT DEFINITION, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE A SWIMMING POOL AND A SNACK BAR, AND ALLOWING THE HOSTING OF EVENTS SUCH AS WEDDINGS AND RECEPTIONS.
AGAIN, DRAWING ON THE LANGUAGE THAT THE APPLICANT USED IN THEIR APPLICATION, AND ALSO ALLOWED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD WOULD BE RECREATION STRUCTURES AND USES SPECIFICALLY BICYCLE MULTI-USE TRAILS.
AGAIN, WITH THE RESTRICTION ON ATVS AND GAS POWERED VEHICLES, TENNIS PICKLEBALL COURTS DRIVING RANGE IN THE EXISTING LOCATION, A DOG PARK AND OTHER RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES WITH SIMILAR IMPACTS AS APPROVED BY THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING.
THE NEXT SEGMENT OF CONDITIONS HERE IS THAT THE OWNER SHALL CONDUCT A TURN LANE WARRANT ANALYSIS USING TRIP GENERATION DATA FOR WHAT THEY WOULD BE APPROVED FOR WITH THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION, WHICH IS THOSE USES THAT I WAS JUST COVERING THERE A MINUTE AGO AND THE REST OF THAT GOES INTO GREATER DETAIL OF HOW THAT WOULD BE ENFORCED AND THE TIME PERIODS INVOLVED.
IF A TURN LANE IS REQUIRED, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO INSTALL IT WITHIN 36 MONTHS.
IT'S TRYING TO GIVE FLEXIBILITY TO ALL OF THEM TO START, BUT ALSO MAKE SURE THAT THEY PROVIDE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IF IT'S NEEDED TO PREVENT SAFETY HAZARDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT COME WITH HIGHER TRAFFIC.
SO AGAIN, IN THE NEXT SECTION HERE, IF THE ANALYSIS DETERMINES THAT TURN LANES ARE WARRANTED, THEN THE PLANNING DIRECTOR MAY RESTRICT PARTICULAR USES TO A SMALLER SCALE THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE TURN LANES UNTIL THEY COMPLETE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, AND THAT'S INTENDED TO ALLOW THEM TO PROCEED WITH SOME TYPE OF ACTIVITY, BUT NOT SUCH A LEVEL OF ACTIVITY THAT.
NEEDS A TURN LANE, BUT THEY DON'T PROVIDE IT.
IT'S TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM ON PROGRESSING THE BUSINESS.
SO AFTER THE INITIAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE ANALYSIS, IF THEY TRY TO DO A LARGER SCALE USE AND THE SIMPLEST VERSION OF THIS IS IF THEY SAY UPFRONT, WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO A NINE HOLE GOLF COURSE AND A NINE HOLE GOLF COURSE DOESN'T TRIGGER THE NEED FOR A TURN LANE, BUT THEN LATER THEY WANT TO DO AN 18 HOLE GOLF COURSE THAT DOES TRIGGER THE NEED FOR TURN LANE THAT SHOULD GET THEY SHOULD GO BACK AND DO THE ANALYSIS AND CONFIRM WHETHER OR NOT A TURN LANE IS REQUIRED AT THAT POINT.
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SO THAT'S THE POINT OF THE NEXT LANGUAGE, AND IF THEY AGAIN GO FROM A NINE HOLE TO AN 18 HOLE, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THAT REQUIRES A TURN LANE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO INSTALL IT BEFORE THEY CAN DO THE 18 HOLE GOLF COURSE.ALL RIGHT, NEXT PART IS ABOUT THERE'S MORE CONDITIONS, ABOUT PARKING, SIGNAGE.
THEY'LL HAVE TO HAVE ALL PERMITS AND LICENSES THAT ARE REQUIRED.
THERE'S A REQUIREMENT ABOUT UTILITY CONNECTION, AND THAT'S IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT SAID THE REQUIREMENTS ARE, AND THERE ARE CONDITIONS ABOUT WATER QUALITY PROTECTION, SUCH AS USING MATERIALS IN PARKING AREAS THAT WILL ALLOW THE WATER TO GO INTO THE GROUND RATHER THAN INTO THE RIVER FROM THE PARKING AREA.
THEY WOULD NEED TO USE ECO FRIENDLY FERTILIZER.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY VOLUNTEERED TO DO.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REQUIRED ANYWAY BY THE DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION AND RECREATION.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW RESTATING IT, AND THEN ANOTHER CONDITION SAYS THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO MINIMIZE RUNOFF INTO THE JAMES RIVER AND ANY CONNECTED WATERWAYS THAT RUNOFF WOULD BE.
IF THAT'S COMING FROM ANY NEW IMPERVIOUS AREAS, SUCH AS A BUILDING OR A PARKING AREA, THEY NEED TO BUILD THAT IN A LOCATION AND USE METHODS TO PREVENT THE WATER FROM EXCESSIVELY GOING INTO THE JAMES RIVER.
THE SAME WOULD APPLY TO A DOG PARK.
SO YOU CAN SEE THERE IT'S BASICALLY 9 A.M.
TO 10 P.M. ON WEEKDAYS AND NINE OPEN TILL MIDNIGHT ON THE WEEKENDS AND A SPECIAL LONGER TIME PERIOD OPEN FOR NEW YEAR'S WHEN PEOPLE ARE OUT YOU KNOW, PAST 12 ANYWAY AND THEN ALL MUSIC AND ACTIVITIES SHALL OCCUR INDOORS AFTER 10:00 PM.
THAT'S, THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY'S NOISE ORDINANCE ANYWAY, BUT THAT'S INTENDED TO SHOW THAT THERE IS A NEED TO PREVENT EXTRA NOISE FROM GOING TO THE NEIGHBORS.
ALL RIGHT, THERE ARE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS FOR ALL EVENTS.
THE NUMBER OF ATTENDEES IS LIMITED AS PER WHATEVER THE BUILDING CODE AND THE HEALTH CODE ALLOWS.
SO AGAIN, WHEN THEY CERTIFY THEIR WELL AND SEPTIC SYSTEM, HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN BE SUPPORTED WITH THE BATHROOMS THAT THEY HAVE AND THE SYSTEM THAT THEY HAVE? THAT WOULD BE THE LIMIT FOR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ALLOWED.
STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED THAT THERE BE NO MORE THAN 12 SPECIAL EVENTS REQUIRING THAT SPECIFICALLY EVENTS THAT REQUIRE A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT WITHIN A CALENDAR YEAR.
I'LL STILL COME BACK TO THAT IN A MINUTE WITH MORE DETAIL, AND THEN NO SPECIAL EVENTS WOULD BE PERMITTED ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD, WHICH IS AGAIN, THE PART OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S CLOSEST TO JORDAN ON THE JAMES, EAGLE PRESERVE.
JUST TO PREVENT THAT BASICALLY NOISY EVENTS FROM BEING NEAR A LOT OF RESIDENTS.
OKAY, SO SPECIAL EVENTS I CAN UNDERSTAND IS HARD TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SPECIAL EVENT AND ANY OTHER TYPE OF EVENT.
THE COUNTY DOES HAVE A CODE REGARDING THIS.
SO OUTDOORS, NOT WITHIN A PERMANENTLY ENCLOSED STRUCTURE.
AGAIN, OUTDOORS FOR THE PURPOSE OF LISTENING TO OR PARTICIPATING IN MUSIC.
I THINK OF THAT AS LIVE MUSIC AND LISTENING OR LISTENING TO OR PARTICIPATING IN ENTERTAINMENT, AND THEN THERE'S A DEFINITION FOR WHAT ENTERTAINMENT IS BELOW THAT.
SO ALL THOSE THINGS THAT ARE ENTERTAINMENT WOULD ESSENTIALLY REQUIRE A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.
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ALL RIGHT, SOME EXAMPLES: ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS LEFT SIDE COLUMN, YOU HAVE EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT ARE CONSIDERED A SPECIAL EVENT AND UNDER STEPS RECOMMENDED CONDITION, THEY WOULD BE LIMITED TO 12 OF THESE TOTAL THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.SO THEY COULD DO ONE PER MONTH, TWO ONE MONTH HERE AND NONE.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE FREE TO SPREAD THEM OUT AS THEY WISH, BUT EVENTS THAT ARE CONSIDERED A SPECIAL EVENT ARE A NEW YEAR'S EVENT THAT'S OUTDOORS AND OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND OUTDOOR SHOWS, CONCERTS, DANCES, FIREWORKS DISPLAYS ARE SPECIAL EVENTS, CARNIVALS, FAIRS, CIRCUSES, PARADES, RACES.
OUTDOOR FUNDRAISERS THAT HAVE LIVE MUSIC AND/OR ENTERTAINMENT.
AGAIN, RECALL, THERE'S A DEFINITION FOR ENTERTAINMENT.
SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THINGS THAT ARE SPECIAL EVENTS.
THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT ARE NOT SPECIAL EVENTS THAT INCLUDE WEDDINGS AND RECEPTIONS, CLASS REUNIONS, PRIVATE PARTIES, A NEW YEAR'S EVENT THAT'S ENTIRELY INDOORS, ALL OTHER INDOORS EVENTS, A CAR SHOW.
IF THERE'S NO LIVE MUSIC OR ENTERTAINMENT.
AGAIN, LIVE MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT MAKES NOISE TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
SO THAT'S THE MAIN DISTINGUISHING FACTOR.
THOSE ARE NOT A SPECIAL EVENT.
IF THERE'S NO LIVE MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT, THAT'S POTENTIALLY DISTURBING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
A FARMER'S MARKET, NOT A SPECIAL EVENT, AND THEN THERE'S MORE EXAMPLES THERE.
THE COUNTY HAS AN INFORMATION SHEET, AND SO THERE'S SOME MORE EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT SPECIAL EVENTS THAT BASICALLY THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE NOT A SPECIAL EVENT WITHOUT ANY LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF TIMES THEY DO THAT PER YEAR.
ALL RIGHT, THE APPLICANT, PRIOR TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, HAD THREE MAIN THINGS THAT THEY SPECIFICALLY DID NOT AGREE WITH, AND SO I'LL GO THROUGH THOSE BRIEFLY.
THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE WERE AWARE OF PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.
SO, NUMBER ONE, THEY WANTED TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF SPECIAL EVENTS FROM 12 TO 24, AND STAFF DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, WE CAME UP WITH THE 12 NUMBER BASED ON LOOKING AT HOW MANY EVENTS WERE HOSTED AT OTHER VENUES IN THE COUNTY, SUCH AS, I'M SORRY, I FORGET THE NAMES, BUT I THINK JORDAN POINT, MARINA AND THERE'S ANOTHER ONE, BUT THERE WAS A NUMBER THAT WE CAME UP WITH BASED ON LOOKING AT OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE COUNTY AND THOSE BUSINESSES ARE ZONED COMMERCIAL.
SO, STAFF BELIEVES THAT THERE'S A LINE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN A COUNTRY CLUB AND AN OUTDOOR EVENTS VENUE OR SOMETHING LIKE AN OUTDOOR EVENTS VENUE, AND SO WE THINK THAT 12 IS A REASONABLE NUMBER TO SET THAT LINE AND THAT IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN THAT, THEN THAT SHOULD PROBABLY BE CONSIDERED A MORE INTENSIVE LAND USE SUCH AS OUTDOOR EVENT.
THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA MIGHT NOT APPRECIATE A FREQUENT NUMBER OF LARGE AGAIN LARGE OUTDOOR SPECIAL EVENTS, AND IF THERE'S THAT MANY SPECIAL EVENTS ON THE PROPERTY, IT COULD PRODUCE CONSISTENT TRAFFIC IMPACTS THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. SPECIAL EVENTS ARE NOT FACTORED INTO TRAFFIC ANALYSIS BY DEFAULT BECAUSE THE USE OF THE PROPERTY IS SAID TO BE A COUNTRY CLUB, NOT AN OUTDOOR EVENTS VENUE THAT FREQUENTLY HOLDS LARGE EVENTS.
THOSE EVENTS WOULD NOT BE LIMITED BY THIS CONDITION.
THE NEXT THING THAT THEY ASKED FOR, AGAIN PRIOR TO THIS MEETING WAS TO REMOVE THE LIMITATIONS ON ATVS AND GAS POWERED VEHICLES FROM BEING USED ON THE WEST SIDE AND JORDAN POINT ROAD ON THE MULTI-USE TRAILS.
SO AGAIN, THESE ARE THE FORMER GOLF CART TRAILS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO REUSE.
SO STAFF DOESN'T SUPPORT REMOVING THAT LANGUAGE BECAUSE IT WOULD PRESENT A RISK OF UNRESTRICTED USE OF NOISY VEHICLES ON SUCH AS DIRT BIKES OR ATVS ON THAT, ON THAT PROPERTY.
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AND THEN THE THIRD THING THAT THEY SAID THEY DID NOT AGREE WITH IS TO NOT ALLOW THE PLANNING DIRECTOR TO RESTRICT PARTICULAR USES UNTIL A TURN LANE IS INSTALLED.GO BACK TO MY EXAMPLE THE 18 HOLE GOLF COURSE, WHEN AN 18 HOLE GOLF COURSE REQUIRES A TURN LANE.
I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, BUT THAT'S WHY THERE'S A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
SO IF THERE'S NOT IF THAT RESTRICTION IS NOT IN PLACE AND THEY COULD DO THOSE THINGS WITHOUT INSTALLING THE TURN LANE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, AND SO STAFF'S IDEA IS THAT YOU SHOULD INSTALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S NEEDED TO PREVENT TRAFFIC HAZARDS, SAFETY ISSUES THAT COME UP WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S NEEDED IN PLACE . AND AS WE SAID, THE PLANNING COMMISSION INITIALLY POSTPONED THE DECISION AND THEN IN NOVEMBER, THEY MADE THE DECISION AND THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BASED ON AND SUBJECT TO THOSE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS THAT YOU HAVE IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE IN YOUR PACKETS . AND THE BASIS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S PROVIDED IN MAKING THEIR MOTION WAS THAT THE REQUEST APPEARS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE CURRENT SURROUNDING LAND USES AND ZONING DISTRICTS.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I KNOW MR. WEBB MAY STILL HAVE A QUESTION ON.
I DON'T QUITE GET THAT, THAT CORRELATION DOESN'T WORK FOR ME.
IF VDOT DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE ENTRANCE AS WIDE AS IT IS, I'M NOT FOLLOWING WHY WE NEED TO DO TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, AND THERE'S ANOTHER ITEM IN HERE THAT I DID NOT SEE IN THIS ONE THAT SAID, AS FAR AS PARKING.
A LOT OF CITIZENS LOVE THE PLACE.
IT'S PACKED ALL THE TIME, WHICH IS GREAT.
WE WANT BUSINESSES TO PROSPER, BUT, AND I'M NOT PUTTING THOUGHTS INTO ANYBODY'S HEAD.
I'M NOT TELLING SOMEBODY WHAT TO DO OR WHAT NOT TO DO, BUT IF IT WAS ME AND I WAS BUYING ALL THIS PROPERTY AND I HAD A SUFFICIENT ENTRANCE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO WHERE MY BUSINESS WAS, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD PUT MY OVERFLOW PARKING AND PROVIDE THE VALET SERVICE THAT HE CURRENTLY PROVIDES THAT I UNDERSTAND, AND JORDAN POINT HAS BEEN GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO LET PEOPLE PARK DOWN THERE IN THE EVENINGS AND THEY SHUTTLE THE PEOPLE BACK UP THERE, WHICH ALLEVIATES THE ISSUE ON ROUTE 10 AND THE BACKUPS.
SO I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT LANGUAGE IS IN THERE FOR.
IT'S PEOPLE PARKING A CAR ON WIDE OPEN SPACE.
THAT WHOLE AREA UP THERE WOULD BE LOADED WITH CARS.
THERE WASN'T A PARKING SPOT UP THERE TO BE HAD.
I MEAN, I DON'T QUITE GET THAT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
WHICH CONDITION ABOUT PARKING ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I THINK IT WAS ITEM SIX.
ISN'T IT ITEM SIX? THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S CONDITION NUMBER SIX, WHICH STATES PARKING ON THE PROPERTY SHALL BE FOR THE APPROVED SPECIAL EXCEPTION USES ONLY.
RIGHT, AND THEN THE REST OF THE LANGUAGE SAYS UNLESS OTHERWISE ALLOWED BY THE COUNTY CODE AT THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT AND APPROVED BY THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, EVEN IF IT DOESN'T SAY APPROVED BY THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, THAT'S HOW IT WOULD GO.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THIS IS NOT, THIS CONDITION IS NOT SAYING THAT THEY COULD.
THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE PARKING OFF SITE PARKING FOR HOLY MACKEREL.
THERE'S NO SPECIAL RESTRICTION BASED ON THIS CONDITION.
YOU'RE TELLING ME HE COULD CHOOSE TO DO THAT IF HE SO CHOOSE TO.
SO IF THEY MEET ALL THAT, THEN YES, THEY COULD.
ALL RIGHT, IN YOUR MIND, IS IT ANYTHING THAT WOULD PREVENT IT KNOWING WHAT YOU KNOW? BECAUSE YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS THAN ANYBODY ELSE SITTING UP HERE.
I THINK IT MAINLY FALLS ON THE DISTANCE TO THE PROPERTY AND THERE'S OTHER FACTORS SUCH AS THE COMPLIANCE OF THAT FACILITY WITH THE CODES THAT APPLY TO THAT PROPERTY, THE HOLY MACKEREL PROPERTY.
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THIS IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT ON TO ADDRESS THEIR PARKING NEEDS OR DESIRES, AND, BUT THIS, BUT THIS, THE CONDITIONS IN THIS CASE DON'T PROVIDE ANY NEW RESTRICTION ON WHAT THE SITUATION ALREADY IS ON THAT.THEY CAN FIND SOME KIND OF SOLUTION.
I THINK THEY CAN FIND SOME KIND OF SOLUTION USING THIS PROPERTY.
IT DEPENDS ON THE ACTUAL, SOME OTHER CODE SECTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO REVIEW AT THAT TIME.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I'M NOT GETTING A REAL WARM FUZZY FEELING THAT OUT OF THAT ANSWER, BECAUSE TO ME YOU EITHER CAN OR CAN'T DO IT AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT RIGHT UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINE OR YOU DON'T HAVE.
IT'D BE BETTER THAN HAVING CARS PARK ON THE DITCH LINE.
I KNOW WE PUT SIGNS UP AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VERY RECEPTIVE TO IT.
POLICE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DRIVE A REGULAR SUV UP ON THE SIDE OF THAT BANK IN FRONT OF THAT BUILDING.
FROM THE SAFETY ASPECT, IT WOULD BE EASIER TO PROVIDE ANOTHER VENUE TO BE ABLE TO PARK, AND IF HE'S GOING TO OWN THE PROPERTY AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU OWNING IT AND HIM TRYING TO USE YOUR PROPERTY.
I'M STILL CONFUSED AS TO WHY THE LANGUAGE IS, IT'S CONFUSING TO ME.
YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND IT, AND THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO GET YOU TO EXPLAIN IT TO ME.
I JUST LIKE TO HAVE WE ADDED THE SECOND HALF OF THAT LANGUAGE TO TRY TO PREVENT A, TRY TO PREVENT A MISUNDERSTANDING THAT WE WERE ADDING SOME KIND OF RESTRICTION ON THE HOLY MACKEREL SITUATION. THERE'S NOT INTENDED TO BE ANY RESTRICTION ON THE HOLY MACKEREL SITUATION, BUT IT REALLY DOES SOUND THAT WAY.
YEAH. YOU KNOW, IN MY UNEDUCATED WAY I HAVE TO AGREE WITH.
WE HAVE SEEN IT SOUNDS LIKE THE THIS RESTRICTION.
AND MY SECOND QUESTION, SO I'M NOT BELABORING THIS.
IF VDOT DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM AND IT'S GOT A COMMERCIAL INTEREST NOW.
I'M STILL LOST AS TO WHY WE NEED TO DO A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.
THEY PROBABLY GOT 300 FEET OR BETTER OF A DRIVEWAY OR DUAL PATH DRIVEWAY.
SO IT'S NO SLOWING DOWN TO HAVE TO WAIT FOR SOMEBODY TO GET OUT OF YOUR WAY TO GET INTO THE PLACE.
YOU JUST PULL IN, DRIVE STRAIGHT ON DOWN.
THE NEED FOR TURN LANES OR NOT IS DETERMINED BY THAT, LIKE A TURN LANE ANALYSIS.
VDOT, WHEN THEY SAY THE ENTRANCE IS ADEQUATE, THAT'S NOT COVERING WHETHER A TURN LANE IS NEEDED.
THEY SAID IT, BASICALLY THEY SAID IT PROBABLY WON'T BE NEEDED, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, GOING OFF CONCERNS WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS, WE FELT IT WAS GOOD TO REQUIRE A TURN LANE ANALYSIS TO BE SUBMITTED TO CONFIRM THAT.
AND I'M NOT TRYING TO STEP ON ANY CITIZENS.
ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS VDOT HAS ALWAYS BEEN UP FRONT.
VDOT WAS UP FRONT WHEN YOUR MIDDLE ROAD AND ANY OF THESE OTHER PLACES AND THEY HAVE DONE THE, VDOT HAS DONE THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND THEY HAVE DICTATED WHETHER OR NOT A TURNING LANE IS REQUIRED. IT WAS NOT UP TO US TO AGREE TO IT OR NOT TO AGREE TO IT.
THEY SAID THIS IS WHAT'S RECOMMENDED.
VDOT'S GOT A LOT OF SAY AND A LOT OF THINGS NOW THAT WE'VE COME INTO THE NEW ERA WE'RE IN NOW.
IT'S NOT JUST LIKE IT USED TO BE 30 YEARS AGO.
YOU JUST PUT PIPE IN THE GROUND AND GO WITH IT.
AND THAT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH, I'M NOT TRYING TO STEP ON ANY CITIZEN'S TOES, BUT WE SIT UP HERE AND LISTEN TO A LOT OF THIS STUFF COMES UP AND IT'S WHAT'S NOT SAID OR NOT ASKED THAT GETS MISINTERPRETED.
DID VDOT DO A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS? THE APPLICANT HAS TO DO A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, BUT VDOT LOOKS AT IT.
SO WHEN VDOT ORIGINALLY REVIEWED THE APPLICATION, IT JUST SAID THEY WANT TO HAVE A COUNTRY CLUB AND GOLF COURSE ON PROPERTY, AND VDOT LOOKED AT IT AS AN EXISTING ENTRANCE WITH A EXISTING LAND USE.
NOW, THE LAND USE HASN'T BEEN IN PLACE FOR OVER A DECADE.
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WE ASKED THEM TO SUBMIT, YOU KNOW, TRIP GENERATION ESTIMATES, AND VDOT SAID BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT THEY PROVIDED, A TURN LANE WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED, BUT THERE WASN'T IT WASN'T LIKE A COMPLETE ANALYSIS THAT WAS PROVIDED, AND SO THAT'S WHAT A TURN LANE ANALYSIS THAT COULD BE SUBMITTED LATER THAT WOULD CONFIRM, YOU KNOW, IF ONE IS REQUIRED OR NOT.THEY ESSENTIALLY HAD INCOMPLETE INFORMATION WITH THE INITIAL REVIEW, REGARDING A TURN LANE.
THEY HAD ENOUGH INFORMATION REGARDING THE ENTRANCE.
I'M ALSO SITTING HERE A LITTLE PUZZLED, AND WE DO THIS A LOT.
WHY WOULDN'T A PROPERTY BE REZONED? INSTEAD OF ALLOWING IT TO STILL STAY ONE SIDE ZONED RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURE AND THE OTHER SIDE RESIDENTIAL.
I MEAN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS SO MANY TIMES AND, BECAUSE IF IT WAS RE ZONED COMMERCIAL, THERE IS NO SPECIAL EXCEPTION PROCESS THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO ALLOW CERTAIN CONDITIONS OR CERTAIN THINGS WITHOUT, WITH OR WITHOUT CONDITIONS.
AM I WRONG THERE, SIR? YEAH, I COULD, I COULD SEE HOW YOU WOULD THINK THAT.
AND MY OTHER QUESTION IS, IN THE FUTURE, DOES THE APPLICANT OR HIS REPRESENTATIVES, DO THEY HAVE ANY OPTION TO COME BACK BEFORE? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOT TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COME BACK TO US, BUT DO THEY HAVE AN OPTION TO ASK FOR CHANGES IN THE CONDITION OR IF WE SIT HERE AND AGREE TODAY THAT IT'S NO MORE THAN 12 EVENTS, ARE THEY LOCKED INTO THAT FOREVER OR ANY OF THESE OTHER CONDITIONS? YEAH, THEY'RE WELCOME TO COME BACK AND REQUEST CHANGES.
AND THAT TIME THAT WHOLE DISCUSSION WOULD BE MORE FOCUSED ON JUST THE CHANGES THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IF THEY COME, IF THEY THEY ASK TO AMEND THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION, THEY COULD ASK TO AMEND CERTAIN CONDITIONS.
SO THAT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION.
AND AGAIN, I ASK ALL THIS BECAUSE, I MEAN, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ON US PROBABLY FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS WONDERING WHY THE COUNTY DIDN'T DO SOMETHING WITH THIS PROPERTY, AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA OF WHAT'S BEING DONE.
A LOT OF THESE AMENITIES AND THINGS THAT WILL BE THERE ARE THINGS THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE BEEN ON, I THINK EVERY ONE OF US IS BOARD MEMBERS, I KNOW IN MY LAST SIX YEARS THEY HAVE BEEN, WITH THE SWIMMING POOL AND OTHER THINGS, AND SO I UNDERSTAND ABOUT HAVING CONDITIONS OR RESTRICTIONS OR WHATEVER , BUT I CAN TELL YOU IN THE SEAT THAT I'M IN, MY FOCUS TOO IS ENSURING THAT WE'RE GIVING ALL BUSINESS OWNERS THE SAME OPPORTUNITY TO BE SUCCESSFUL HERE IN PRINCE GEORGE.
SO I JUST JUST THINK WE JUST REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THINGS SOMETIMES, AND THIS IS, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO ALL THE HOMEOWNERS IN JORDAN ON THE JAMES, I CAN TELL YOU I'VE GOTTEN MANY PHONE CALLS, MANY EMAILS, AND EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE RECEIVED HAS BEEN SUPPORTIVE.
I DON'T PURPOSELY GO TO FACEBOOK.
I DON'T GO TO FACEBOOK TO LOOK AT NO COMMENTS BECAUSE IT'S JUST TOO EASY TO THROW STUFF OUT THERE.
YEAH. YOU DID TELL ME SIX YEARS AGO DON'T DO THAT.
SO, BUT I APPRECIATE THE PEOPLE THAT CALL WHETHER THEY WERE IN SUPPORT OR AGAINST IT.
I APPRECIATE THAT ONE ON ONE INTERACTION.
SO AGAIN, I JUST WANT THIS BUSINESS TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
I THINK THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT'S WELL NEEDED IN THE AREA AND IN PRINCE GEORGE AS A WHOLE.
SO, THAT'S JUST MY ONLY COMMENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO SPEAK? THANK YOU, MR. GRAVES.
WE CURRENTLY OWN THE PROPERTY AT HOLY MACKEREL.
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I DROVE BY THIS PROPERTY FOR YEARS AND I WAS ALWAYS DISAPPOINTED WHY IT'S SO BAD AND NO ONE DID ANYTHING WITH IT.IT WAS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL PLACE.
TO SEE IT FALL APART LIKE THAT JUST BLEW MY MIND.
I ACTUALLY HOUNDED AND HOUNDED AND HOUNDED THE GENTLEMAN THAT OWNED IT TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
HE WAS MORE INTERESTED IN TURNING IT INTO RESIDENTIAL.
I PERSONALLY SEE MORE ABOUT THAT PROPERTY THAN A BUNCH OF HOMES.
I THINK THAT PROPERTY IS SOMETHING THAT WILL ADD HUGE VALUE TO PRINCE GEORGE AS A WHOLE.
IT'S NEEDED. I MEAN, EVERY COUNTY THAT SURROUNDS OUR AREA SEEMS TO HAVE THEIR OWN FACILITIES, THEIR OWN POOLS, THEIR OWN RECREATIONAL AREA, BUT PRINCE GEORGE DIDN'T SEEM TO HAVE THAT.
THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. MY NAME IS MICHAEL LAFAYETTE, AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, AND I'VE KNOWN MR. ATALLAH AND HIS FAMILY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, AND I'VE REPRESENTED THEM IN THEIR DIFFERENT ENDEAVORS.
THEY'RE A FIRST CLASS FAMILY AND KNOW HOW TO OPERATE IN THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY.
SO WHEN THERE WAS PUBLIC COMMENT WE HAD, LET ME BACK UP EXCUSE ME.
WE'VE HAD VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH TRYING TO WORK BACK AND FORTH, PARTICULARLY WITH MR. GRAVES, BUT THERE WAS INITIAL SET OF CONDITIONS THAT FOR THE MOST PART WE COULD WORK WITH.
SO WHAT WE THOUGHT WE HAD HERE, ALL THE MONEY WE SPENT TO BUY THE LAND, AND THEN SUDDENLY ALL THESE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS, INCLUDING THE TURN LINE AND TURN LANE, ENVIRONMENTAL, ALL THIS, EVERYTHING CAME IN AND IT GOT VERY EXPENSIVE, VERY FAST.
SO WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW IS WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT IS ON THE VERGE OF NOT BEING FISCALLY OR VIABLE OR FINANCIALLY VIABLE BECAUSE OF ALL THE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE, AND THIS IS THE PART I WANT TO CLARIFY.
SO WHEN STAFF INDICATED THAT, WELL THERE WAS ALL THESE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT AFTER RECEIVING COMMENT FROM THE CITIZENS AND THE APPLICANTS, THESE ARE NOT OUR CONDITIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED.
SO WE DID NOT AGREE TO ALL THESE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT WERE PUT IN AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, AND IT'S USUALLY, I USUALLY DON'T LIKE STEPPING UP IN A MEETING LIKE THIS TO SAY THAT, BUT I HAVE TO AT THIS POINT.
WE DON'T AGREE WITH MANY OF THE CONDITIONS BECAUSE, AGAIN, IT PUTS THIS PROJECT AND THE CONDITION OR A POSSIBLE POSITION OF NOT BEING VIABLE.
SO JUST REMEMBER WHAT WAS THERE ALREADY.
THERE WAS ALREADY A GOLF COURSE AND COUNTRY CLUB THERE.
THAT'S THE FIRST THING I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT.
WHY SUDDENLY DO WE HAVE OVER 20 CONDITIONS FOR IT TO REOPEN? AND WHY DO WE HAVE TO SPEND SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN ORDER TO GET SOME OF THESE THINGS COMPLETED JUST TO REOPEN THE GOLF COURSE AND COUNTRY CLUB THAT WAS ALREADY THERE? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO SAY, AND WHAT I HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT ARE, IS A RED LINE, AND I HOPE I CAN PRESENT TO YOU OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE DON'T AGREE TO, AND WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO STAFF.
SO THIS WAY YOU CAN SEE WHICH CONDITIONS THAT WE DISAGREE WITH THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED THIS EVENING.
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CHANGES. YES.WHAT'S IN BLACK IS ALREADY WHAT'S PART OF THE CONDITION.
WHAT'S IN RED WOULD BE, OF COURSE, THE CHANGE.
SO TO HIGHLIGHT AND LET ME ALSO BACK UP ONE MORE TIME.
THIS IS IN COMPROMISE TO MAKE THIS WORK TONIGHT.
WE DON'T WANT TO WITHDRAW. WE WANT TO WORK THIS OUT TONIGHT.
LET ME JUST BE VERY FRANK WITH THAT.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD AN ERROR WHERE THE PLANNING CASE HAD TO BE CONTINUED.
WE THEN GOT TO DEFER IT ANOTHER MONTH.
WE'VE BEEN, WE'RE SEVERAL MONTHS BEHIND ALREADY.
SO WITH THIS, YOU SEE THE FIRST REQUEST TO CHANGE IS UNDER FOUR, AND THIS IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF JORDAN POINT ROAD WHEN IT COMES TO THE MULTI USE TRAILS. WHAT STAFF HAS PUT IN AND WE HAVE NOT AGREED WITH THIS ON THE WEST SIDE.
WE DID ON THE EAST SIDE, BUT NOT ON THE WEST SIDE, WHICH IS THE LARGE ACTIVITY DRIVEN PARCEL.
WE SAID WE WANT TO HAVE BICYCLE AND MULTI-USE TRAILS, BUT IF YOU NOTICE, WHAT STAFF SAID IS IN ASSOCIATION WITH COUNTRY CLUB OR GOLF COURSE ACTIVITIES ON THE PROPERTY. SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT MEANS WE'RE VERY LIMITED ON WHAT WE CAN USE FOR THE TRAIL.
HOW IS THAT A MULTI-USE TRAIL WHEN IT'S IN ASSOCIATION WITH A COUNTRY CLUB OR GOLF COURSE? DOES THAT MEAN WE CAN'T HAVE A HAYRIDE? DOES THAT MEAN WE CAN'T DO OTHER THINGS WITH RESPECT ON THESE MULTI-USE TRAILS.
DOES THAT MEAN WE CAN'T HAVE ELECTRIC BIKES? DOES THAT MEAN, ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE COUNTRY CLUB OR GOLF COURSE ARE NOW PROHIBITED ON AN AREA THAT WE THINK SHOULD BE USED FOR MULTI USE ACTIVITIES? THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE BOUGHT THIS PLACE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING YOU TO STRIKE THE LANGUAGE THAT IS IN RED.
WITH RESPECT TO REQUEST NUMBER TWO, AGAIN, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU WE'D LIKE YOU TO STRIKE ENTIRELY NUMBER EIGHT, BUT AS A COMPROMISE, WILL YOU AT LEAST STRIKE WHAT I HAVE IN RED THERE? AND LET ME JUST TELL YOU WHY.
THE TURN LANE WARRANT ANALYSIS.
WITHIN 12 MONTHS OF THE OPENING OF THE DEVELOPMENT, ANY INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS TO BE NEEDED, ACCORDING TO THE ANALYSIS, SHALL BE INSTALLED AT THE OWNER'S EXPENSE WITHIN 36 MONTHS OF THE DATE OF THE COUNTY'S ACCEPTANCE OF THE ANALYSIS.
SO 12 MONTHS FOR US TO DO IT AND THEN 36 MONTHS TO COMPLETE THE IMPROVEMENTS.
IF THE ANALYSIS DETERMINES THAT TURN LANES ARE WARRANTED, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR MAY RESTRICT PARTICULAR USES TO A SMALLER SCALE THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE TURN LANES UNTIL THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS ARE COMPLETED SO THEY CAN SCALE US BACK.
I THINK IT'S JUST TOO MUCH DISCRETION WITH RESPECT TO THE TURN LANE ANALYSIS COMING FROM PLANNING.
IT SHOULD BE THE TURN LANE ANALYSIS THAT DOES IT AND NOT NECESSARILY THE PLANNING, AND THEN AFTER INITIAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE ANALYSIS, IF A NEW OR EXPANDED USE IS PROPOSED, THEN WE HAVE TO DO ANOTHER STUDY.
HOW ABOUT IF THE NEW USE IS FRISBEE GOLF? IS THAT NEW? AND NOW WE HAVE TO SPEND ALL THIS MONEY ON ANOTHER TURN LANE ANALYSIS.
I JUST, WE JUST WE CAN'T AGREE AND MAYBE THAT'S NOT A GREAT ANALYSIS.
THEY'RE GOING TO TELL YOU, WELL, THAT'S RELATED TO GOLF, BUT YOU SEE MY POINT IT COULD BE NEW, GOOD ACTIVITIES FOR THE COUNTY, AND MY APPLICANT IS GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON A NEW TURN LANE ANALYSIS.
SO WE ABSOLUTELY THINK THAT THE REQUEST NUMBER TWO WITH EIGHT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO STRIKE .
DOG PARK. LOOK AT ALL THE RESTRICTIONS THEY PUT IN.
WE JUST MENTIONED A DOG PARK THE FIRST TIME.
IT WAS GREAT, AND THEN SUDDENLY ON THE SECOND SET OF REVISIONS WE SUDDENLY HAVE, FOR A DOG PARK, LOOK WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN FOR US JUST TO HAVE DOGS RUN AROUND WITHOUT A LEASH. WE HAVE TO MINIMIZE THE RUNOFF OF PET WASTE.
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HOW MUCH PET WASTE IS GOING TO BE? DOGS RUNNING AROUND IN THE, ON THE PIECE OF THE GRASS, BUT WE NOW HAVE TO MINIMIZE IT IN CONNECTION WITH THE JAMES RIVER OR CONNECTED WATERWAYS.MEASURES MAY BE TAKEN INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO READILY AVAILABLE PET WASTE DISPOSAL CONTAINERS, SETBACKS FROM WATERWAYS, VEGETATION, BUFFERS FROM THE PARK AND WALKWAYS AND OTHER BMP METHODS JUST TO HAVE OUR DOGS OR PETS RUNNING AROUND.
NEXT PAGE ON THE NUMBER FOUR, CHANGE.
SO THAT'S MORE, I THINK, MAKING SURE THAT I'D CALL IT WORDSMITHING FOR NUMBER TEN, JUST MAKING SURE WE CAN REBUILD THE SIGN SINCE THERE'S A RESTRICTION ON USING A SIGN BY THE WAY, AND IT'S REALLY FUNNY ON SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO DIDN'T EVEN COME NECESSARILY TO SUPPORT US AT THE LAST AT THE PUBLIC, EXCUSE ME, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, SAY WHY IS THERE RESTRICTION ON SIGNS? DON'T WE WANT THIS TO BE ADVERTISED? WHY ARE WE LIMITING IT TO THE SIGNS LIKE WE SEE UP ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW? BUT WE'RE NOT FIGHTING THAT BATTLE.
NUMBER FIVE, THAT IF THERE'S FUTURE FACILITIES FOR USE, THE SECOND SENTENCE, PERMITTED BY THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION SHALL CONNECT TO PUBLIC SYSTEMS. SO I INSERTED BECAUSE WE DIDN'T CATCH THIS LAST TIME.
WHAT HAPPENED? RIGHT NOW THEY'RE NOT, BUT IF WE WANT TO BUILD A LITTLE ADDITION TO THE RESTAURANT, YOU MEAN TO TELL ME WE HAVE TO SPEND $1,000,000 TO CONNECT TO THE SEWER LINE? THAT WE CAN'T USE THE EXISTING SEPTIC AND WATER? THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THAT.
THERE'S TWO THINGS UNDER NUMBER SIX.
THAT'S ONE A MONTH, AND STAFF HAS SAID, WELL, YOU CAN'T BE A VENUE.
THIS IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A VENUE.
IF IT WAS A VENUE, THERE'D BE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, 200 OR 300 EVENTS A YEAR.
WE'RE TALKING THEY'RE GIVING US 12.
IF YOU WANT THIS TO BE FINANCIALLY VIABLE, ONE SPECIAL EVENT A MONTH DOES NOT FLY.
SO STAFF SAID NO AND NEVER MADE IT UP.
WE REPEATEDLY ASKED AND THE ANSWER WAS NO.
TONIGHT WE'RE JUST SAYING STRIKE IT.
WHY IS THERE A NUMBER? WHY IS THERE A NUMBER FOR SPECIAL EVENTS AT THIS PARTICULAR PLACE? SO WE'RE JUST ASKING TO BE STRICKEN.
I MEAN, THAT TO ME IS THE FAIR ANSWER.
WE HAVE TO APPLY FOR A SPECIAL EVENT, SO WHY LIMIT IT? IT'S NOT AT OUR DISCRETION.
AND THEN AT THE LAST PART IS NO SPECIAL EVENT SHOULD BE PERMITTED ON THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF JORDAN POINT ROAD, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN PARK THERE. MR. WEBB MENTIONED ONE THING ABOUT NUMBER SIX, AND YOU SEE NUMBER SIX IS NOT ON THERE.
FRANKLY, I ALSO ASK NUMBER SIX BE STRICKEN IN ITS ENTIRETY, BUT WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE SURE WE CAN PARK ON THIS PROPERTY, AND SO THAT'S WHY UNDER 18F WE'RE ASKING FOR PARKING TO BE PERMITTED.
I ALSO, AGAIN, GETTING BACK TO, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT ON MY LIST, BECAUSE IF WE TRY TO PICK AND CHOOSE THOSE ITEMS TONIGHT THAT WE PRESENT, I CERTAINLY WOULD LOVE NUMBER SIX TO BE STRICKEN IN ITS ENTIRETY ALSO.
I'D LIKE TO RESERVE A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO RESPOND BACK TO THE IF THERE'S ANY AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION, MADAM CHAIR, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.
CERTAINLY. ANY QUESTIONS? NO, MA'AM. ANY COMMENTS? NOT AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU WILL HAVE 4 MINUTES IN WHICH TO SPEAK.
ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS.
YOU WILL HAVE 4 MINUTES IN WHICH TO SPEAK.
I LIVE AT 148 ONE JORDAN PARKWAY.
IN FULL DISCLOSURE, ALTHOUGH I'M SPEAKING AS A NEIGHBOR.
I AM A RECENTLY ELECTED MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF JORDAN ON THE JAMES.
THE ISSUE I'M SPEAKING ABOUT IS THE NEED FOR TURN LANES.
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WE WILL IF ONCE THIS GOES THROUGH, WE'LL HAVE THREE BUSINESSES ON JORDAN POINT ROAD.WE ALSO HAVE TWO RELATIVELY LARGE NEIGHBORHOODS AND A SMALLER NUMBER, MAYBE A DOZEN OR 15 INDIVIDUAL HOUSES THAT HAVE DRIVEWAYS OR TWO OR THREE OF THEM COME TOGETHER ONTO THE STREET.
THE ONLY ONE OF THESE SIX ENTITIES THAT HAS TURNED LANES IS JORDAN ON THE JAMES.
BUT IF YOU'RE COMING SOUTH ACROSS THE BRIDGE AND ONTO JORDAN POINT ROAD AND THERE'S TRAFFIC COMING, GOING NORTH TOWARDS THE BRIDGE, YOU HAVE TO STOP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD AND WAIT UNTIL IT'S SAFE TO TURN.
IF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS AS SUCCESSFUL AS WE HOPE IT WILL BE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE TRAFFIC.
BUT TWO, THREE, FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC FROM THIS ONE DEVELOPMENT THAT THE TURN LANES FOR PEOPLE CUTTING ACROSS A LANE OF TRAFFIC AND MAYBE BACKING UP FIVE OR SIX OR EIGHT CARS ARE GOING TO BE IMPORTANT.
AND WITHOUT THAT, WE FACE THE RISK OF ACCIDENTS AND WE FACE THE RISKS OF FATALITIES.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR TO MAKE IT A SAFER.
DEVELOPMENT, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HOPE WILL SUCCEED.
BUT WITHOUT IT, THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE A VOTE COUNT.
AND I'M HOPING WE CAN PREVENT THAT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION.
THANK YOU, SIR, FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
YES, MA'AM. MY NAME IS KATHLEEN WRIGHT, AND I STAYED AT 1150 EAGLE PLACE AND EAGLE PRESERVE.
I'M ALL ABOUT THE COMMUNITY STANDING AND DOING WELL.
I'M A VETERAN UNITED STATES, ARMY VETERAN, AND WITH THREE TOURS IN IRAQ.
AND I MOVED OUT HERE FOR PEACE AND NO NOISE.
AND THE EVENTS THAT'S GOING TO BUMPS RIGHT UP AGAINST MY PROPERTY.
AND THEY SAID BEFORE, LIKE, WHY WAS THIS NOT OPEN BEFORE? BECAUSE BEFORE THERE WERE NOT RESIDENTS LIVING RIGHT THERE NEXT TO THAT GOLF COURSE.
SO NOW YOU HAVE RESIDENTS LIVING RIGHT THERE NEXT TO THAT GOLF COURSE.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE NOISE THAT THIS COMPANY WILL BRING OR THIS BRING TO MY HOME.
YES, SIR. I'M [INAUDIBLE] PETERSON.
I LIVE AT 1712 JORDAN POINT ROAD.
I HAVE BE IN MY FAMILY, INCLUDE MY SISTER GILL.
I'VE GOT QUITE A BIT OF ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE COUNTRY CLUB PROPERTY, AND I DON'T HAVE MANY.
I DIDN'T HAVE ANY HARDLY ANY OBJECTIONS TO WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED LAST TIME.
I JUST MADE IT TWO SMALL COMMENTS THAT IF YOU WANT TO KEEP GAS POWERED CARTS GOLF CARTS FROM RACING ON THIS TRAILS.
I MEAN, JUST WHAT DOES IT HURT TO THROW IN DIESEL TO? YOU KNOW, THAT'S A SMALL THING, BUT WHO KNOWS? IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COMES ALONG AND IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE NATURE OF IT.
BUT THAT'S NOT A BIG ITEM TO ME.
ONE THING THAT I SAW FOR THE FIRST TIME TONIGHT WAS CLASSIFYING RACES AS BEING A SOCIAL USE.
IT COULD BE LIKE, COME BACK AND ASK FOR A RACE.
WELL, THAT'S FINE IF IT'S A FOOT RACE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
BUT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT DRAGSTRIP STRIP RACES?
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ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ANY KIND OF MOTORCYCLE RACES? I THINK IT WOULDN'T HURT TO SAY NO MOTORIZED RACES.IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S LIKELY TO HAPPEN.
BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS.
AND WE'RE DRAWING BOUNDARY LINES NOW, NOT FOR JUST WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS WANTED TO DO, BUT FOR WHAT COULD HAPPEN WITH A NEW OWNER OR NEW CIRCUMSTANCES.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME KIND OF A FENCE AROUND IT IN THE WAY OF LET'S DON'T LEAVE IT WIDE OPEN.
YOU KNOW, Y'ALL PROBABLY ALREADY SEEN THE SIGN.
IT'S I DON'T THINK IT'S IN PRINCE GEORGE.
I THINK IT'S IN A COUNTY RIGHT NEXT TO PRINCE GEORGE.
SO FOR ROUTE TEN OR 460, I FORGOT WHICH, YOU KNOW, IT'S RECREATIONAL ACTIVITY.
NO, EXCUSE ME, WHITE TAIL PARK.
AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
AND IT'S NOT FOR DEER HUNTING.
[LAUGHTER] SO DEAR ARE HUNTING.
BUT THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT IT'S SO EASY TO RESTRICT THE RECREATIONAL THING AND TO KEEP IT JUST LIKE WITH THE COUNTRY CLUB.
AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ANYTHING ELSE THAT HE HAS.
BUT IT WAS NOT GOING TO HURT WHAT HE'S GOT PLANNED.
SO WHY DON'T WE JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE NEXT GUY DOWN THE ROAD, MAYBE 20 YEARS FROM NOW OR SOMETHING, DOESN'T SAY, HEY, I GOT ROOM TO DO THIS? SO THAT'S MY POINT.
I HAVE ADJOINING PROPERTY BESIDE MR. PETERSON'S THERE, WHO IS A PROPONENT, I THINK, OF A NUDIST COLONY, DESPITE WHAT HE JUST SAID.
BUT ANYWAY, WITH ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I MEAN, YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S EXISTING, BEEN THERE, YOU KNOW, WAS THERE FOR A LONG TIME. HOW MANY CHANCES DO YOU GET AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE A FOOTPRINT IS THERE? SOIL DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DISTURBED.
THINGS DON'T HAVE TO BE CHANGED.
THE TRAFFIC PATTERN SHOULD BE LEFT UP TO VDOT.
THEY'RE THE EXPERTS ON THIS THING.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T HAMSTRING HIM RIGHT OFF THE BAT.
AND THE GOLF COURSE IS GOING TO BE THE MOST SERENE THING THAT WE CAN HAVE IN THAT AREA.
IT'S GOING TO BE AN EXTENSION OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION THAT PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY HAS SO WE CAN KEEP MAKING MORE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND THINGS.
BUT IN THE END, YOU KNOW, PROTOCOL CAN'T TRUMP REALITY.
AND THE REALITY IS THAT THIS IS A GOOD THING.
THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR.
YES, MA'AM. CHAIR WAYMACK MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
MR. STOKES. MR. WHITTEN, MY NAME IS BEVERLY ROGERS.
I RESIDE AT 249 LIGHTHOUSE POINTE, NORTH PRINCE GEORGE.
I SPEAK TO YOU ALL TONIGHT AS PRESIDENT OF THE JORDAN ON THE JAMES ASSOCIATION AND ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE ASSOCIATION. FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS OUR APPRECIATION TO COUNTY STAFF AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR WORKING WITH THE JOJ BOARD TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS WITH RESPECT TO THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS THAT THIS PROJECT MAY HAVE ON WATER QUALITY AND TRAFFIC.
WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT AND WELCOME THE PROJECT, AS WE BELIEVE WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE STAFF AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THIS PROJECT WILL ENHANCE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SURROUNDING AREA.
THAT BEING SAID, THE JORDAN ON THE JAMES BOARD OF DIRECTORS FULLY SUPPORTS THIS PROJECT, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
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AND OUR BOARD DOES SUPPORT ADDITIONAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES IN THE COUNTY.BUT WHAT YOU ALSO MUST UNDERSTAND IS THAT YOU HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT SHOULD HELP GUIDE YOUR DECISIONS WITH RESPECT TO LAND USES. AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES DESIGNATE THIS AREA FOR RESIDENTIAL.
AND IN RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTION, MR. BROWN, AS TO WHY NOT REZONE THIS PROPERTY FOR COMMERCIAL, THE REASON IS THAT YOUR COMP PLAN SUGGESTS THAT THE ENTIRE AREA SHOULD BE DEVELOPED FOR RESIDENTIAL USES WITH THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION PROCESS PROVIDES FOR YOU IS TO ALLOW SOME NON RESIDENTIAL USES IN A RESIDENTIALLY DESIGNATED AREA, BUT THAT YOU ADDRESS CONDITIONS THAT ENSURE THAT THOSE NON RESIDENTIAL USES ARE COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT IS PLANNED IN THE AREA IN THE FUTURE.
I WOULD ALSO DID NOT INTEND TO ADDRESS ALL OF THE CONDITIONS AS MR. [INAUDIBLE] HAS DONE, BUT SINCE HE HAS BROUGHT SOME CONCERNS UP THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE WITH THE CONDITIONS. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WITH RESPECT TO THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND THE CONCERN WITH RESPECT TO DOING THAT TURN LANE WARRANT ANALYSIS, I DID SPEAK EARLY ON WITH MR. HANSON, WITH VDOT, WHO REVIEWED THIS CASE AND SUBMITTED COMMENTS TO THE STAFF, AND YOU NOW HAVE THOSE COMMENTS BEFORE YOU TO TALK TO HIM. WHY DID NOT V DOT UPFRONT REQUIRE THE TURN LANE ANALYSIS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS CASE? WHAT HE ADVISED ME AT THAT TIME WAS THAT THERE WAS NOT SUFFICIENT INFORMATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE ZONING APPLICATION FOR HIM TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT TURN LANES WOULD BE REQUIRED.
I ASKED MR. HANSON, AT WHAT POINT IN TIME WOULD HE MAKE THAT DECISION? WHAT HE ADVISED ME WAS, IS THAT HE WOULD NOT MAKE A DECISION WITH RESPECT TO THE NEED FOR TURN LANES UNTIL SUCH TIME AS A SITE PLAN IS SUBMITTED FOR APPROVAL.
THERE IS EVERY REAL POSSIBILITY THAT A SITE PLAN WILL NEVER BE REQUIRED FOR THE USES THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED ON THIS PROPERTY. I THINK WHAT WE ALL WHAT WE ALL THINK ABOUT IS, OH, WE'RE GETTING THE GOLF COURSE BACK AND WE'RE GETTING THE COUNTRY CLUB BACK, WHEN IN REALITY WE MAY GET THOSE USES BACK AND WE MAY NOT.
AND SO THERE'S MUCH UNKNOWN AS YOUR TIME IS UP.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. WAYMACK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
HOWEVER, BEFORE I EXPRESS MY VIEWS ON THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION REQUEST AND PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF REPORT, I LIKE TO COMPLIMENT TIM GRAVES ON HIS PROFESSIONALISM, THE MANNER IN WHICH HE RESPONDED TO OUR QUESTIONS AND THE MANNER IN WHICH HE WORKED WITH US MANY HOURS ON THIS PROJECT AND SINCERELY APPRECIATED.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK MR. ATALA. FOR BELIEVING IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY AND INVESTING A LARGE SUM OF MONEY IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I BELIEVE THAT HIS FAITH IN PRINCE GEORGE WILL PAY DIVIDENDS FOR HIM AS WELL AS THE COUNTY.
I HAD TWO AREAS OF CONCERN PREVIOUSLY.
ONE WAS POTENTIAL CONTAMINATION OF ONE OF OUR LAKES FROM RUNOFF.
THE OTHER WAS THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS ON JORDAN POINT ROAD.
WAS THAT? I APOLOGIZE THAT IT'S MY DEXCOM TELLING ME THAT MY SUGAR GOT HIGH BECAUSE IT GOT LOW WHILE I WAS BACK THERE AND I HAD TO DRINK SOME JUICE.
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SO I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE.OKAY. THE SECOND COMMENT WAS THE TRAFFIC CONCERN ON JORDAN POINT ROAD.
DUE TO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND PROPOSED CONDITIONS.
THOSE AREAS OF CONCERN HAVE BEEN SATISFIED IN MY MIND AND THEY'VE BEEN RESOLVED.
THEREFORE, BOTH AS A RESIDENT OF JORDAN ON THE JAMES AND ALSO AN OFFICER ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, I SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO APPROVE THE REQUEST, SUBJECT TO THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS BEING APPROVED.
I ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST.
YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, WE HAVE ALARMS GOING OFF HERE ALL THE TIME.
SO WE LOOK AROUND WHEN WE HEAR A STRANGE SOUND.
YOUR SOUNDS PRETTY GOOD, THOUGH, TO MOST OF THEM, WE HEAR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? PLEASE COME FORWARD.
SINCE THERE'S NO ONE ELSE TO SPEAK, I TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE APPLICANT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
DID YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? WE DID CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THEN TURN IT BACK TO THE APPLICANT.
AND NOW THE APPLICANT MAY SPEAK.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
JUST A COUPLE OF BRIEF THINGS TO SAY WITH RESPECT TO THE.
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
THE VETERAN WHO APPEARED AND ASKED ABOUT OR CONCERNED ABOUT NOISE I WOULD JUST BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT ITEM 12 OF THE CONDITIONS IS NOT OPPOSED BY THE APPLICANT AND SPECIFICALLY SAYS THE OWNER SHALL TAKE APPROPRIATE MEASURES TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY NOISE ORDINANCE AS ADOPTED IN FORCE BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN CONSIDERED AND WE DID NOT OBJECT TO NUMBER 12.
SO THAT IS ALREADY PART OF THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS.
SO I THINK THAT ONE HAS BEEN ADDRESSED.
AND THEN THE NEXT POINT TO ADDRESS IS THE ISSUE UNDER 4C1 WHERE I'VE REQUESTED AND THE APPLICANT'S CHANGES THAT IT BE A PERIOD BICYCLE SLASH MULTI USE TRAILS, PERIOD.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE HAVE BASED UPON THE RESIDENT THAT JUST SPOKE AND CITING CONCERNS FOR MOTORIZED RACES, I CAN ASSURE YOU AND MY APPLICANT ASSURES YOU AND WE DO NOT HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO PUTTING A RESTRICTION THAT NO MOTORIZED RACERS ARE PERMITTED.
SO THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT DIRT BIKES OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT RACING AROUND.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE INTENT IS.
THE INTENT IS THOUGH, FOR INSTANCE, LIKE KIHEI WAGON BEING PULLED BY A TRACTOR, THERE'S ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF VEHICLES THAT COULD BE USED THAT WON'T NECESSARILY INTERFERE, BUT WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF RUNNING ANY KIND OF RACES.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ADDITIONAL TIME, BUT I AM AVAILABLE IF THERE IS ANY QUESTIONS THAT POST.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANSWERS, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.
I HEARD WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT GAS, ATVS AND GAS POWERED VEHICLES.
I'M NOT SURE I'M COMFORTABLE WITH STRIKING THAT UNLESS IT'S REDEFINED.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WAG AND STUFF LIKE THAT, I DON'T THINK, TO CITIZENS.
AND I'M HOPING I'M NOT SPEAKING OUT OF TURN FOR ANYBODY.
THEY CAN CREATE A LOT OF NOISE.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M WILLING TO AGREE TO STRIKE THAT.
SPEAKING STRAIGHT UP, I CAN ACTUALLY ADDRESS.
SO THE ATVS, WE HAVE NO OBJECTION TO LIMITING ATVS.
ARE YOU WILLING TO ACCEPT JUST AS AN ACCOMMODATION, WE CAN ADD THE LANGUAGE ATVS AND DIRT BIKES.
WE WILL ADD THAT WITHOUT A PROBLEM.
I MEAN, WE WOULD LEAVE IT AND ACTUALLY JUST ADD ATVS AND DIRT BIKES AND THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED.
SO WHAT WE HAVE REQUESTS TO BE STRICKEN.
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ONLY. BUT WHERE YOU HAVE A CONCERN WHERE SAYS ATVS AND GAS POWERED VEHICLES.WE HAVE NO CONCERN WITH PROHIBITING ATVS, DIRT BIKES, MOTORCYCLES.
WE HAVE NO OBJECTION AS THOSE BEING PROHIBITED.
SO WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU TO PROHIBIT THOSE ITEMS. BUT THE CONCERN IS JUST SAYING NO GAS POWERED VEHICLES AT ALL WOULD THEN LIMIT US ON SOME OF THE THINGS WE PERHAPS WOULD WANT TO DO.
FOR LIKE RIDES OR ANY OTHER WORK VEHICLES LIKE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN BROADEN IT, BUT.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TRACTORS, STOP THE MOTOR GRASS AND KEEP EVERYTHING NEAT.
AND THEN A GENTLEMAN'S POINT THAT SPOKE EARLIER.
MOST YOU CAN'T FIND GAS TRACTORS, BUT MOST OF THEM NOWADAYS ARE DIESEL.
THE VERSION OF THE WORD INSIDE OF IN OUR PACKET, UNLESS THERE'S A DIFFERENT VERSION.
BUT THE ONE THAT HAD MY PACKET, THAT LANGUAGE HAS ALREADY BEEN STRICKEN.
I APOLOGIZE. I WAS READING OFF WHAT HE HANDED US.
AND MAYBE MR. GRAVES CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT VERSION THAT WE CIRCULATED BETWEEN STAFF AND I SO MANY VERSIONS OF, IF THAT IS IF THAT IS STRICKEN, THAT IS GOOD, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.
OBVIOUSLY, IF IT'S BEEN TAKEN OUT IN THE LAST VERSION AND ASSOCIATED WITH THE COUNTRY CLUB.
SO IF THAT HAS BEEN STRICKEN, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.
SO THEN IT'S A MATTER OF OF PAGE THREE, RIGHT? CORRECT. PAGE THREE, C ONE, CORRECT.
THE END OF THAT FIRST SENTENCE HAS ALREADY BEEN REMOVED.
MR. WEBB, WOULD IT BE YOUR PLEASURE IF WE SAY IF WE KEEP IN SO THAT THESE ARE PROHIBITED ATV AND GAS POWERED OR DIESEL VEHICLES OTHER THAN GOLF CARTS, MAINTENANCE OR WORK VEHICLES? SO WE ADD IN WORK, NOT JUST MAINTENANCE IN THIS WAY, IT'S STILL PROHIBITING EVERYTHING.
IF WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN HAVE OTHER THAN GOLF VEHICLES IF WE NEED THEM FOR ACTIVITIES LIKE A WORK VEHICLE IS WHAT I WOULD CALL IT, I'M OKAY WITH IT. WE'RE JUST KIND OF LIKE PUTTING AN IF IN A SENTENCE.
IT CHANGES THE WHOLE MEANING OF IT.
BECAUSE I LIVE IN A RURAL AREA.
SO AND I ACCEPT IT BECAUSE I LIVE OUT THERE.
THE KIDS RIDING THE FOUR WHEELERS ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
THEY CUT ACROSS MY PROPERTY TOO, AND I DON'T CARE.
I JUST HOPE THEY DON'T GET HURT.
COULD I ASK, CAN WE ASKED IF MR. WETTON HAS SUGGESTED LANGUAGE PERHAPS THAT TO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE NEED IS? WELL, WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT LANGUAGE GOING AROUND.
YOU MENTIONED NO MOTORIZED RACES.
YOU HAD MENTIONED ADDING WORK VEHICLES.
DO YOU STILL ARE YOU STILL REQUESTING BOTH ITEMS TO BE ADDED? WELL, THE RACE VEHICLES ARE PROHIBITED.
SO WE'RE FINE WITH INCLUDING THAT AS A PROHIBITED USE.
BUT WHAT I WANT TO INCLUDE, OTHER THAN GOLF CARTS AND MAINTENANCE VEHICLES, IS MAYBE MAINTENANCE AND WORK VEHICLES, OR IF YOU HAVE A BETTER WORD THAN WORK VEHICLES.
IN OTHER WORDS, THINK OF A TRACTOR PULLING A HAYRIDE, YOU KNOW.
I MEAN, A TRACTOR WOULD BE CONSIDERED EQUIPMENT THAT REALLY WOULDN'T BE A VEHICLE IN MY MIND.
I MEAN, USUALLY YOU WOULD HAVE A TRACTOR PULLING A HAY WAGON, NOT A TRUCK.
SO WE SAY MAINTENANCE VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT, FARM EQUIPMENT, TRACTOR BE CONSIDERED FARM EQUIPMENT, WHICH OUGHT TO BE ALLOWED, IF IT'S ZONED, COULD BE ALLOWED BY.
RIGHT. CAN IT BE COMPANY VEHICLES.
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CAN. I GET THE APPLICANT'S CONCERN IS LIKE, IF YOU HAVE TO USE LIKE A PICKUP TRUCK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.CAN WE LIST IT AS A COMPANY VEHICLE? WELL, I GUESS MAINTENANCE WOULD.
MAINTENANCE TO ME, MAINTENANCE VEHICLE COVERS IT ALL.
OKAY. DOES THAT WORK, DAN? YEAH. AND FARM EQUIPMENT, LIKE I SAID, WOULD BE ALLOWED BY REITS SINCE IT'S ZONED EC.
I MEAN, A TRACTOR, WE WOULDN'T BE RESTRICTING.
I THINK THAT WOULD WORK. THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THE THE TOURISM, YOU KNOW, AGRICULTURAL TOURISM.
NO, I MEAN, I THINK HE SAID YOU DON'T NEED TO.
SO BATTERY OPERATED ELECTRIC THAT MAKE NO NOISE WERE NOT THAT'S NOT PROHIBITED.
CORRECT. SO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT CAN BE LIKE AN E-BIKE OR AN E-BIKE.
IS THAT THE EXAMPLE THAT WAS GIVEN? YEAH. MAKING SURE THAT AN E-BIKE WOULD BE PERMITTED AND IT WOULD BE UNDER THE THE CODE THAT YOU'RE OR THE LANGUAGE THAT IS THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED. CORRECT.
CLASS ONE, CLASS TWO, CLASS THREE.
OKAY. SO I MEAN, WE'RE REALLY NOT REGULATING THAT HERE.
SO E-BIKES WOULD NOT BE PROHIBITED.
OKAY. [INAUDIBLE] OH, I'M SORRY.
[INAUDIBLE]. MADAM CHAIR, I JUST HAVE ONE THING.
MR. GRAVES, COULD YOU COME BACK UP FOR A MINUTE, PLEASE? AND I'M JUST GOING TO BE REALLY HONEST.
I MEAN, WE HAVE ONE THING IN OUR BOARD PACKET THAT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS PRESENTED.
I DON'T KNOW WHO'S SITTING IN HERE RIGHT NOW IS KEEPING TRACK OF ALL OF THESE RECOMMENDED THINGS.
HOW IN THE WORLD DO WE REALLY KNOW WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO VOTE ON? BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU, I'M NOT I'M NOT CLEAR ON WHAT I'M VOTING ON TO ACCEPT.
BUT IF WE'RE VOTING ON SOMETHING TONIGHT AND I REALIZE WE DON'T WANT TO DELAY THIS ANY FURTHER.
BUT IT'S I THINK THAT'S A BAD POSITION FOR ANY OF THE FOUR OF US UP HERE TO BE IN.
RIGHT. RIGHT. THIS MOMENT, AGAIN, I'M NOT AGAINST IT.
I'M JUST REALLY NOT CLEAR WHAT I WOULD BE AGREEING TO TONIGHT.
OKAY. YEAH, I'LL JUST SAY THE DRAFT ORDINANCE IS THE CLEAN COPY.
BUT THERE'S BEEN CHANGES DISCUSSED AND SO I 100% AGREE ON THAT.
AND ARE YOU UP ON THE CHANGES THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED? IF WE SAY WE APPROVE THIS TONIGHT WITH THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE YOU KNOW, WE RECEIVED I WAS WALKING UPSTAIRS.
I GOT A COPY. YEAH. SO I'M JUST SAYING, I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN FOR US TO SAY, EVEN IF WE WERE APPROVING, WHAT ARE WE APPROVING? I MEAN, THE APPLICANTS REQUEST IS THAT YOU APPROVE THIS.
SO YOUR OPTIONS WOULD BE EITHER TO POSTPONE THE ITEM TO THE NEXT MEETING OR IF YOU'RE READY TO HAVE A MOTION TONIGHT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO REFERENCE THIS OR JUST REFERENCE THE CLEAN ORDINANCE THAT'S IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT, READY TO HAVE A WE NEED TO POSTPONE AGAIN.
I NEED TO SEE A DOCUMENT THAT'S THE DRAFT WITH THOSE PROPOSED CHANGES IN IT.
AND WE SEE A CLEAN VERSION THAT I CAN TRULY SAY I'M EITHER VOTING UP OR DOWN ON.
I MEAN, THE OTHER THREE BOARD MEMBERS FEEL COMFORTABLE TO VOTE TONIGHT.
I MEAN, I'LL DO WHAT THE MAJORITY WANTS.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THINGS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ON THIS ONE SUBJECT SINCE 7:30.
IT'S NOW 2 MINUTES AFTER NINE.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ON THIS FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF.
I THINK MR. WEBB HAS SOMETHING TO SAY.
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WE CAN HAVE A SIDEBAR LATER, BUT I'D STILL LIKE TO HAVE SOME MORE CONVERSATION.I UNDERSTAND THAT LADY IS CONCERNED ABOUT NOT KNOWING WHAT MAY HAPPEN FIVE, TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT IS A HEAVILY TRAVELED ROAD TO START WITH.
IT'S JUST THE MAIN CUT THROUGH.
GOING TO WORK. WILLIAMSBURG, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.
I'M AT A LOSS AS FAR AS THE ANALYSIS.
VDOT IF THEY LOOK BACK AT PAST HISTORY OR EVEN IF THEY DID A TRAFFIC STUDY RIGHT NOW, WHICH THEY DO, IF WE WERE GOING TO ASK FOR FOR THEM TO LOWER THE SUPPOSEDLY LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT, WHICH ONCE WE ASK FOR IT, WE CAN'T TAKE IT BACK.
IT'S WHATEVER THEY IF THEY COME BACK WITH SOMETHING, SAY IT COULD BE 65 OR 45 AND WE WANT 45.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET. THAT'S WHY YOU TO BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU ASK FOR A STUDY LIKE THAT.
WE'VE ALREADY BEEN BIT WITH THAT A COUPLE OF TIMES ON OTHER THINGS IN MY LAST SEVEN YEARS.
NOT NO ONE. BUT THEY KNOW THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S ON THAT ROAD RIGHT NOW.
WE KNOW WE GOT A WIDE ENOUGH ENTRANCE.
I'M STILL NOT CONNECTING THE DOTS BETWEEN EIGHT HOLE, 19 HOLE OR WHATEVER.
NINE HOLE. WAIT. YOU KNOW, AND THE ENTRANCE THAT'S HERE RIGHT NOW AND THE PATHWAY THAT THEY'VE GOT TO GET YOU OFF OF THE ROAD IN REFERENCE TO. AND I'M NOT PICKING ON PEOPLE.
HOLY MACKEREL SECTIONS MIGHT BE 75 FEET AT BEST AND THAT'S IF YOU'RE GOING ON WITH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE WATER AND THERE'S NOBODY SITTING IN FRONT OF YOU WAITING TO GET OUT OF THE CAR PARK. JORDAN POINT.
PEOPLE COME ACROSS THAT BRIDGE.
SO IN ALL HONESTY, IT'S JUST THE ENVIRONMENT WE LIVE IN.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO A TURNING LANE.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE MAKING THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE'VE GOT TO ASSUME.
WE'RE ASSUMING HERE, IF YOU'RE REQUIRING YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THE ANALYSIS DONE AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO BE RESTRICT YOU'RE ON THERE FOR 36 MONTHS AFTER IT'S BEEN APPROVED OR ACCEPTED BY THE COUNTY.
SOME OF THESE TURNING LANES CAN RUN BETWEEN 700 TO 1.5 MILLION.
BUT THEY WANTED THE SCHOOL RUN.
$748,000 WON SOMEWHERE CLOSE TO IT.
SURE, WE APPROVED THE MONEY FOR THE SCHOOL.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO BUSINESS AND SAY, HEY, YOU GOT TO MAKE THIS IMPROVEMENT.
I JUST. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT PIECE.
I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO STEP ON THE LADY THAT SPOKE.
I UNDERSTAND THE SAFETY CONCERNS.
I DROVE A TRACTOR TRAILER FOR ALMOST 30 SOME YEARS, PART TIME AND FULL TIME.
AND WITH THAT, I JUST WANT TO MENTION ONE THING, IF I COULD, MR. GRACE. AND AGAIN, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A WHOLE LOT OF HOMEWORK ON THIS.
BUT AS FAR AS THE RESTRICTION OF 12 EVENTS.
DON'T YOU HAVE TO APPROVE EVERY SPECIAL EXCEPTION? SPECIAL EVENTS PERMIT SPECIAL EVENT? YES, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT DOES INTAKE THOSE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT APPLICATIONS.
RIGHT. SO IF YOU HAVE TO APPROVE EVERY ONE, WHY RESTRICTED WHY THAT? YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION.
THERE'S SPECIAL EVENTS THAT REQUIRE PERMIT.
WE DON'T GET I MEAN, THE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T GET MANY OF THOSE PER YEAR.
THIS THE CONDITIONS THAT WE RECOMMEND WOULD NOT RESTRICT THEM FROM HAVING WEDDINGS, RECEPTIONS.
YOU KNOW, MANY OF THE EVENTS THAT WE LISTED, THOSE DON'T REQUIRE ANY SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.
THEY CAN JUST DO THEM IF THIS IS APPROVED.
OKAY. SO THAT WOULD EXCLUDE OUR SHOWS OR EVEN THE CAR SHOW WOULD BE NOT A SPECIAL EVENT IF.
UNLESS THEY HAVE LIVE MUSIC OR ENTERTAINMENT THERE.
OKAY. NOW, I KNOW IT'S NOT CRYSTAL CLEAR, BUT THAT'S THE CODE.
YEAH. I MEAN, THEY'RE DIGGING A HOLD OF YOU ARE ONE OR TWO.
I FIGURED OUT WHICH ONE OF US IS YET.
I MEAN, BECAUSE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE ROLLING THUNDER AND STUFF.
THEY HAVE EVENTS ALL THROUGH, AND I THINK JORDAN POINT HOSTED A COUPLE OF THEM.
A LOT OF PEOPLE LOVE THEM. HOPEWELL DOES IT.
SURROUNDING COUNTIES ARE TRYING TO DO IT.
AND A LOT OF TIMES THEY DO HAVE VENDORS AND OR MUSIC.
YEAH. AND BUT THEY THOSE EXAMPLES HAD NO MORE THAN 12 EVENTS PER YEAR.
THEY MAY DO OTHER THINGS THAT ARE NOT A SPECIAL EVENT.
CHAIR. WAYMACK. I HAVE A PROCEDURAL QUESTION.
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GRAVES. WHAT'S BEEN INCLUDED IS THE DRAFT ORDINANCE IN TONIGHT.CORRECT. RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL? YES. THESE WERE PRESENTED TONIGHT BY THE APPLICANT.
YES. IS IT? AND I GUESS I DON'T KNOW, IS IT LEGAL TO MAKE CHANGES TO WHAT CAME OUT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS? CAN YOU, AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION, NEGOTIATE OR APPROVES A ORDINANCE FOR CONSIDERATION? A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR CONSIDERATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS? CAN STAFF AND THE APPLICANT THEN NEGOTIATE CHANGES TO THAT TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WHICH WOULD BE A NEW VERSION.
I'LL LET MR. WHITTEN ANSWER THAT.
YES, THE CONDITIONS CAN BE AMENDED, ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY'RE LESS RESTRICTIVE.
YOU WOULD YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING.
IT WOULD BE THE OPTION OF THE BOARD IF THEY WANT TO SEND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
BUT IT WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO GO BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
GOOD QUESTION. WHAT'S THE BOARD'S PLEASURE? I MEAN, PERSONALLY, I HAVE ONE OR TWO OPTIONS.
IT WOULD BE ONE OF MY OPTIONS.
IF I HAD TO VOTE TONIGHT BUT I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE, THEN I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE.
I'VE GOT A CLEAN ENOUGH COPY TO KNOW WHAT I'M STRIKING VERSUS WHAT'S IN IT.
MR. WEBB. THE RUB IS AND I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE HASTE OUT OF THIS.
THE RUB IS JUST OUR LAST MEETING OF THE YEAR.
OH, I GET IT. MR. BROWN'S POINT COMPLETELY.
BUT WE'RE PUTTING IT OFF UNTIL THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY ABOUT POSTPONING IT.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE GOT ANOTHER MEETING TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.
I'M NOT GOING TO SAY I'M CONFUSED, BUT I'M ALMOST CONFUSED ON A COUPLE OF POINTS.
NO DISRESPECT, TIM, YOU DID A GREAT JOB.
I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
MY LOGIC JUST DOESN'T JIVE LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE EXAMPLES YOU GAVE THAT JUST ME.
SO THE REAL QUESTION IS, DO WE APPROVE WHAT'S IN THE BOOK OR DO WE POSTPONE IT FOR ANOTHER MONTH AND A HALF? OR AT LEAST 30 DAYS BECAUSE IT'D BE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY BEFORE WE COULD TAKE IT UP AGAIN.
BECAUSE WE COULD HAVE. NO, WE COULD.
I MEAN, I'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF THINGS BEING ASKED OUTSIDE OF WHAT WAS PRESENTED FROM LEGAL COUNSEL.
YOU KNOW, YOU ASKED ABOUT THE 12 EVENTS.
THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PARKING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE DRAFT.
BUT AGAIN, WE WOULD BE PICKING AND CHOOSING.
I'LL GO WHATEVER THE BOARD WANTS TO DO.
I REALIZE WE DON'T MEET AGAIN UNTIL JANUARY THE 10TH.
WHO KNOWS IF ANY OF US WILL BE HERE JANUARY 10TH.
I MEAN, YOU DON'T KNOW. I THINK THE LORD EVERY DAY.
I THINK THE GOOD LORD FOR LETTING ME WAKE UP EVERY DAY.
TRUST ME, I PLAN ON BEING HERE FOR HONORING HONORS JUST TO GET ME THAT FAR.
MR. BROWN IS. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE.
BUT AS MR. WEBB SAID, IT'S A. HEY, TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AGAIN BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S BEEN KICKED A LOT.
MR. WHITTEN DO WE HAVE AN OPTION? I MEAN, I'M GOING TO THROW THIS OUT AND I KNOW I'M TALKING OUT LOUD.
IF WE DID POSTPONE IT, DO WE HAVE AN OPTION TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING JUST FOR THIS ONE TOPIC? SURE. ONCE WE GET A CLEAN COPY AND WE FIND A NIGHT THAT'S AVAILABLE, WE GIVE THE PROPER NOTICE.
WE CAN HAVE THREE BUSINESS DAY NOTICE AND DO THE SPECIAL.
I MEAN, I WOULD EVEN BE MORE OPEN TO THAT.
I REALLY DON'T LIKE POSTPONING IT UNTIL JANUARY THE 10TH.
BUT IF WE COULD GET A GOOD CLEAN COPY WITH THE OTHER RECOMMENDED CHANGES AND HAVING HAVE SOME TIME TO LOOK IT OVER AND MAYBE CALL A SPECIAL MEETING AND THAT MEETING WOULD ONLY BE TO ADDRESS THIS ONE TOPIC.
SO AS LONG AS WE GIVE THE FIVE DAYS NOTICE AND CALL A SPECIAL MEETING.
SO THAT IS AN OPTION THAT WOULD HAVE THAT AS PART OF THE MOTION TO POSTPONE.
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SO WHAT WOULD BE THE EARLIEST IN THAT? I MEAN, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT I'M OFF OF WORK FOR THE NEXT DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK AFTER CHRISTMAS, AND THEN MR. STOKES OUT OF OFFICE NEXT WEEK.OKAY. THE WEEK AFTER CHRISTMAS.
IF HE'S GOING TO BE OUT, THEN YOU CAN DO.
WE HAVE A DATE. WHEN WE HAVE THE MOTION TO POSTPONE, WE NEED TO HAVE A SPECIFIC DATE.
BUT IT'S GOT TO BE SEVEN DAYS FROM TODAY.
AT LEAST FIVE. OR AT LEAST FIVE.
TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY WOULD WORK.
I MEAN, BOARD MEMBERS, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT IF THE BOARD IS IN AGREEMENT WITH IT AND THE APPLICANT AND IT DOES THAT, I THINK THAT'S BETTER THAN WAITING UNTIL JANUARY 10TH PERSONALLY.
SO, MADAM CHAIR, MY WIFE'S GOING TO KILL ME.
I'LL SECOND. IS THERE A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE POSTPONE THIS UNTIL.
WHICH WOULD BE THE 20TH, WHICH IS A TUESDAY.
WHAT TIME DO WE WANT TO START? 6:00. 7:00.
CAN WE START 5:00 O'CLOCK? 5:00. KNOCK IT OUT.
CAN YOU MAKE IT AT FIVE? MR. HUNTER? OKAY.
MAKE IT EARLIER. IN FACT, WE CAN DO THAT.
AND I WILL SECOND. I WILL SECOND THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR.
ALL RIGHT. MOTION HAS BEEN MADE.
MRS. WAYMACK? YES. MR. WEBB. YES.
WITH THAT SAID, WE NEED TO GET THE SOME KIND OF CLEAN COPY.
HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE NEXT FEW DAYS, PLEASE.
JUST EMAIL IT TO US SO WE CAN REVIEW IT.
MR. GRAVES AND I CAN WORK ON THE LANGUAGE, TWEAK LANGUAGE.
THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE IT TO REVIEW.
NO, IT SHOULDN'T. SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO KNOCK THIS OUT.
YES, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE DO HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING.
WE CALL IT THE TIME TONIGHT BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE LOST ME.
I DIDN'T CALL THE TIME. I KNOW BETTER.
WE'LL GO ON TO P2 WHILE OUR FOLKS ARE EXITING.
YES. WILL BE HERE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AT 5:00 ON THE 20TH.
ALL RIGHT. ITEM P TWO IS SPECIAL EXCEPTION C 2211 REQUEST OF JASON AND AMELIA RUFFIN TO PERMIT A FAMILY DAY CARE HOME LARGE WITHIN R1 ZONING DISTRICT.
SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ABOUT 0.37 ACRES IN SIZE.
IT'S LOCATED AT 4481 BRANCHES OR PARKWAY AND IS IDENTIFIED AS A TAX MAP NUMBER.
ALL RIGHT. ON THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE A MAP OF THE AREA, THE PROPERTIES IDENTIFIED IN RED.
THERE YOU CAN SEE IT WITHIN THE BRANCHES OF THE LAKE SUBDIVISION.
ALL RIGHT. THERE'S ANOTHER VIEW.
THEY'RE BOTH SMALL LOT RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S JUST SURROUNDED BY HOUSES.
IT'S A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.
ALL RIGHT. THE SUMMARY OF THE REQUEST.
THE APPLICANT CURRENTLY PROVIDES CARE FOR UP TO FOUR CHILDREN.
THAT'S ALLOWED. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S ALLOWED BY.
RIGHT. WITHOUT THIS KIND OF REQUEST TO THE BOARD.
AND THEY DO THAT UNDER A BUSINESS LICENSE THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE.
THE APPLICANT, AMELIA, IS A FORMER TEACHER OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY SCHOOLS FOR TEN YEARS.
SHE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ONE EMPLOYEE FOR THE USE IN ADDITION TO HERSELF, AND THE AGES OF THE CHILDREN WOULD BE BETWEEN TWO AND TEN WITH A CONCENTRATION ON PRESCHOOL AGE CHILDREN.
THE HOURS OF CARE WOULD BE 8 A.M.
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SHE WALKS THE CHILDREN OUT TO THE STREET TO MEET THEM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PICKING THEM UP.SHE SAID THAT THAT'S A VERY QUICK THING.
IT TAKES ABOUT 5 MINUTES AT THE END OF THE DAY AND AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY.
AND SO ACTIVITIES WOULD PRIMARILY OCCUR IN A GARAGE, IN AN ATTACHED GARAGE.
AND THE BACKYARD PROVIDES A PLAY AREA FOR THE CHILDREN.
K HERE YOU CAN SEE AN AERIAL VIEW TO SEE THAT THERE IS A POOL.
THERE'S A FENCE TO BLOCK THE KIDS FROM GOING IN THE POOL.
BUT THERE'S A LITTLE BACKYARD AREA TO GET OUTSIDE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE ONSITE DRIVEWAY AND THE STREET PARKING WOULD BE AVAILABLE.
YOU CAN SEE HOUSES THAT ARE ON THERE.
ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE STREET OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMENTS.
WE PROVIDED THE DEFINITION OF THAT ORDINANCE LANGUAGE FOR A FAMILY DAY CARE HOME LARGE.
AGAIN, THAT BASICALLY MEANS PROVIDING CHILD CARE FOR UP TO 12 CHILDREN IS WHAT'S ALLOWED BY THE DEFINITION, AND THAT'S EXCLUSIVE OF ANY CHILDREN THAT RESIDE IN THE HOUSE.
AND WE NOTED THIS APPEARS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING.
CURRENT USES AND FUTURE USES AGAIN, AS LONG AS THE IMPACTS DON'T EXTRAORDINARILY AFFECT THE SURROUNDING AREA, WHICH WE FEEL LIKE IN THIS CASE IT WOULD NOT. THE EXPECTED IMPACTS WOULD BE LIMITED TO JUST TRAFFIC DURING THE DROP OFF AND PICK UP TIMES THAT WOULD BE MITIGATED BY CONDITIONS FOR THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN LIMITED ON THE PROPERTY IN THE HOURS OF OPERATION AND SPECIFIED PICK UP DROP OFF TIME PERIODS, THE VISUAL AND NOISE. THE CHILDREN WOULD BE LIMITED TO CHILDREN PLAYING IN THE BACKYARD, NOT SOMETHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY.
WITH THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
MITIGATION AGAIN WOULD BE THEY'RE GOING TO BE WITHIN BUSINESS HOURS.
THE OTHER STAFF REVIEW COMMENTS, MAINLY FROM THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION, TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY'LL BASICALLY UPDATE THE OCCUPANCY PERMIT FOR THE HOUSE TO SAY THAT IT'S CERTIFIED FOR A DAYCARE.
MAKE SURE THE KIDS CAN GET OUT, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE PROTECTED BASED ON THE BUILDING CODES AND THEY'LL HAVE TO HAVE ANNUAL INSPECTIONS TO CONFIRM THAT THEY'VE GOT EVERYTHING IN PLACE. THE NEED TO VDOT SAYS THE EXISTING ENTRANCE MEETS VDOT STANDARDS AND THEY HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE PROPOSED REST TURN LANES AND SPRAWLING GOLF COURSE.
SORRY. DO YOU KNOW? I HER. SHE'LL COME UP AND SAY HI.
I HAVE TO ASK YOU THAT BECAUSE YOU SAID UP TO TEN AND IT DOESN'T COUNT.
SO THEY MAY I'M NOT CERTAIN, BUT I'LL LET HER COME UP.
ALL RIGHT. SO THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS ARE JUST AS SPECIFIED.
THE HOURS OF OPERATION WOULD BE LIMITED AS THEY AS THEY PROPOSED 8 A.M.
TO 5 P.M.. AND JUST GIVE THEM A REASONABLE TIME PERIOD FOR PICK UP AND DROP OFF.
ON TOP OF THAT, THOUGH, THAT MAY OCCUR WITHIN THAT AM TO 5 P.M.
TIME PERIOD. ONE ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEE WOULD BE ALLOWED.
THERE WOULD BE STREET PARKING DROP OFF AND PICK UP FOR THE KIDS.
THEY'LL HAVE TO REQUIRE MAINTAIN ALL THE REQUIRED LICENSES.
THERE WOULD BE NO PERMANENT SIGNAGE.
THE FULL CONDITIONS ARE IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE AND THE STAFF REPORT.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON NOVEMBER 17TH.
THERE WEREN'T ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WHEN DOES THIS BEGIN?
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IF THE BOARD APPROVES IT TONIGHT, THEN SHE CAN GET SUBMIT THE BUSINESS LICENSE UPDATE AND BEGIN TOMORROW POTENTIALLY.AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO SEND LETTERS TO THE NEIGHBORS.
GREAT. THANK YOU, MR. GRAVES. ANY QUESTIONS? FURTHER QUESTIONS. IF NOT, WE'LL GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
NOW FOR ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK FOR AND AGAINST THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU'LL HAVE 4 MINUTES TO SPEAK.
YES, SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON TO THE CHAIR AND THE REST OF THE BOARD MEMBERS AND THEIR RESPECTIVE PLACES.
I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO OBSERVE THEM OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, AND I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH THE DESIRE TO HAVE A DAY CARE AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE OTHER DAYCARES WITHIN A HALF A MILE RADIUS AS WELL.
THERE HAS BEEN NO PROBLEM WITH THE PARKING, AND IF THEY NEEDED ADDITIONAL PARKING, I'M WILLING TO ALLOW THEM TO PARK IN MY AREA AS WELL. THEY'VE TAKEN ON A TASK WHICH IS AN HONORABLE TASK DEALING WITH OUR CHILDREN.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR GRANDCHILDREN AND OUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS.
AND IT'S A GREAT THING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A SAFE PLACE, NOT JUST A DAYCARE, BUT A SAFE PLACE FOR OUR CHILDREN TO COME WHERE THEY CAN FEEL LOVED, THEY CAN LEARN AND THEY CAN LIVE.
AND WHEN THEY OH, THEY WON'T DEPART.
AND THESE ARE THE FUNDAMENTAL STAGES THAT THESE CHILDREN ARE AT.
AND WE HAVE PARENTS THAT WANT TO LOVE ON THEM AND TEACH THEM SO THEY CAN BE GREAT CHILDREN.
AND I'M GOING TO SAY ONE OTHER THING.
WE'VE HEARD IT FROM TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
RUFFINS HAVE CHOSEN TO BE A PART OF THIS VILLAGE IN THE COMMUNITY CALLED BRANCASTER LAKES, AND WE'RE GLAD THAT THEY HAVE SPEARHEADED THIS CHILD CARE, WHICH IS MUCH NEEDED FOR OUR CHILDREN.
AND I'M GLAD THAT THEY'RE A PART OF THE VILLAGE.
THIS IS A BIG VISION DESPITE THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY DEALING WITH.
SO THEREFORE, I TOTALLY SUPPORT WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO.
THANK YOU, SIR. DOES ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? PLEASE COME FORWARD.
IF NOT, I CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO SAY ANYTHING? I'M SORRY. I DON'T THINK WE ASKED YOU.
HI. HOW ARE YOU DOING? HI. AMELIA RUFFIN.
I JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE MYSELF AND SAY YES.
WELL, JUST TAKING CARE OF CHILDREN IS A PASSION OF MINE.
SOMEBODY ASKS, DO I HAVE CHILDREN? I HAVE. I HAVE FOUR CHILDREN.
ONE IS 19, ONE IS 16, AND THEN WE ADOPTED TWO.
SO WE HAVE A SEVEN AND EIGHT YEAR OLD WHO ARE IN SCHOOL.
SO CURRENTLY I ACTUALLY OPERATE WHILE THE TWO ELEMENTARY ARE IN SCHOOL.
THAT'S WHEN EVERYTHING IS RUNNING.
SO I TREAT IT MORE LIKE A PRESCHOOL.
SO I'M DOING LIKE JUST TEACHING THEM THE FUNDAMENTALS AT THE BEGINNING.
SO JUST WANTED TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
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CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.YES, MR. HUNTER? YES, MR. BROWN? YES, MR. WEBB? YES.
NOW LET'S GO ON TO P THREE, WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT FOR THE CODE OF THE COUNTY OF VIRGINIA, MR. WHITTEN. YES, MADAM CHAIR.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. STOKE COUNTY STAFFS REQUESTING TO AMEND SEVERAL SECTIONS OF THE COUNTY CODE, WHICH I WON'T THERE IN YOUR PACKET, BUT I WON'T STATE EVERY CODE SECTION.
BASICALLY WHAT IT DOES IS IT CLARIFIES AND WHICH ZONING DISTRICTS, PRIVATE ANIMAL BOARDING PLACES ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT URSE AND WHICH ZONING DISTRICTS THEY ARE PERMITTED WITH A SPECIAL EXCEPTION AND THE AMENDMENTS INTENDED TO CLARIFY THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE SO THAT ALL PARTS OF THE COUNTY COULD WORK TOGETHER TO SPECIFY THE REQUIREMENTS.
SO IF MR. BROWN HAD FOUR DOGS, HE WOULD HAVE TO GET A PERMIT.
IF HE WAS WITHIN ONE OF THE ZONING DISTRICTS, HOW MANY HAD LESS THAN AN ACRE? SO THERE'S A HANDY CHART IN THE BACK BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT CODE SECTIONS AS YOU GO.
SO YOU LOOK AT THE LAST PAGE, THERE'S A CHART THAT SHOWS.
IF YOU HAVE LESS THAN AN ACRE OR ONE ACRE OR LESS IN SIZE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, WHICH IS ACTUALLY THROUGH THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, NOT THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
AND IF IT'S MORE THAN AN ACRE, IT'S A BUY RIGHT USE.
ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MADAM CHAIR.
GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE 4 MINUTES TO SPEAK.
TURN IT BACK TO MR. WHITTEN AND THE BOARD.
MR. HUNTER? YES, MR. BROWN? YES.
MR. WEBB? YES, MRS. WAYMACK? YES.
THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE P FOUR.
THAT'S OUR LAST PUBLIC HEARING.
GOOD EVENING, MRS. WAYMACK. CHAIR. WAYMACK.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. MR. STOKE. MR. WHITTEN UNDER TAB 19 IN YOUR PACKET TONIGHT IS A DRAFT ORDINANCE TO UPDATE OUR CURRENT FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE TO REFLECT THE NEW FEMA FLOODPLAIN MAPS THAT WERE COMPLETED EARLIER THIS YEAR AND TO ADD ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE RECOMMENDED AND OR REQUIRED BY THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION AND RECREATION.
PRINCE GEORGE. THE COUNTY IS REQUIRED TO ADOPT THE MAP UPDATES IN ORDER FOR PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE COUNTY TO CONTINUE PARTICIPATION IN THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM.
THE MODEL ORDINANCE IS DEVELOPED BY THE STATE WITH INPUT FROM FEMA.
THE GOAL OF THE PROGRAM IS TO PROTECT THE LIVES AND PROPERTY OF OUR CITIZENS WHO LIVE NEAR FLOODPLAINS OR IN FLOODPLAINS, AND ALSO TO ALLOW THEM TO PARTICIPATE IN THE INSURANCE PROGRAM FOR THEIR PROPERTY.
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IF YOU TURN TO THE PAGE TWO OF THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE MAIN CHANGES.YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF BLACK UNDERLINED LANGUAGE.
THE GLOSSARY USED TO BE CONTAINED AT THE END OF THE ORDINANCE AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO MOVE IT, TO STANDARDIZE IT LIKE WE DO WITH OTHER ORDINANCE.
HAVE A DEFINITION SECTION AT THE BEGINNING OF THE ORDINANCE.
SO THIS IS LANGUAGE IS JUST MOVING FROM THE BACK TO THE FRONT.
THE ADDITIONAL CHANGES ADOPT THE NEW MAPS THAT WERE CREATED, AND THEN THERE'S SOME MINOR CLARIFICATIONS, CHANGES AND UPDATES THROUGHOUT THE ORDINANCE.
ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO AMEND THE CODE OF COUNTY OF VIRGINIA, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU'LL HAVE 4 MINUTES TO SPEAK.
SEEING NO ONE BOUNDING FORWARD.
I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TURN IT BACK TO MS. WALTON AND THE BOARD.
IF ANYONE HAS NO QUESTIONS, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT IT AS PROPOSED.
MR. BROWN? YES, MR. WEBB? YES, MRS. WAYMACK? YES, MR. HUNTER? YES.
IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD? I'D LIKE TO THE 85 AND I'LL LEAVE ONE OUT.
NO, WE STILL HAVE A FIVE AND SIX AND A BUNCH OF.
OH, YEAH. OKAY, WELL, I'M SURE IT IS OKAY.
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BUT SHE IS STILL HERE.85 RESOLUTION AWARD OF CONTRACT STATION FIVE ALERTING SYSTEM, THIS JURY.
WE TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT AT YOUR NOVEMBER 22ND WORK SESSION.
STATION FIVE DID NOT RECEIVE A FULL INSTALLATION OF AN ALERTING SYSTEM WHEN THE OTHER STATIONS DID.
AS PART OF YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY RADIO PROJECT, THE FULL INSTALLATION IS NECESSARY AT STATION FIVE TO MAKE IT THE SAME AS THE OTHER STATIONS.
SO WE ARE REQUESTING AN AWARD OF CONTRACT TO US DIGITAL DESIGNS IN THE AMOUNT OF $50,464.14.
BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK AT THAT TIME, IT WOULD BE BETTER TO UTILIZE THOSE FUNDS FIRST.
SO WE ARE REQUESTING AN AWARD OF CONTRACT AND AN APPROPRIATION FROM THOSE BOND PROCEEDS.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS. YEAH, WE HAVE TO DO IT.
YEP. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND DISCUSSED IT.
AND YOU DISCUSSED THE BORROWING AND ALL THAT? YES, SIR. WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT IT AS PROPOSED.
THANK YOU. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
MRS. WAYMACK? YES. MR. HUNTER? YES. MR. BROWN. YES.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
A SIX CONSIDERATION OF APPOINTMENTS.
WE HAD AN APPOINTMENT OF TWO MEMBERS TO PRINCE GEORGE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A FOUR YEAR TERM.
AND THOSE WERE WELL, WE'RE MR. BROWN'S APPOINTMENT HAS BEEN EXPIRED AND HE CHOSE NOT TO BE REAPPOINTED.
SO IN HIS PLACE, I THINK WE AGREED ON A MRS. I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL PRONOUNCE THE NAME IMPROPERLY, BUT IT'S JENNIFER [INAUDIBLE].
IS THAT RIGHT? WE'RE NOT SURE OF THE PRONUNCIATION.
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I THINK WE AGREED FOR HER AND MR. SIMMONS WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK.MR. WEBB? YES, MRS. WAYMACK? YES.
AND MR. CLEMENTS IS CURRENTLY SERVING AND WISHES TO BE APPOINTED REAPPOINTED.
MADAM CHAIR, I WOULD SO MOVE THAT WE WOULD REAPPOINT MR. CLEMENTS TO THAT POSITION.
OUR SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
MR. WEBB. YES, MR. BROWN. YES, MR. HUNTER? YES, MRS. WAYMACK? YES.
AND THERE'S A RESOLUTION FOR ONE APPOINTMENT FOR A THREE YEAR TERM TO THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION.
AND MADAM CHAIR, I WOULD SO MOVE THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND TO THE JUDGE TO REAPPOINT MRS. WHITE AND MARIA WHITE.
NOW, I THINK THAT IS ALL OF OUR BUSINESS.
UNLESS I'M REMISS THAT WE HAVE TO ADJOURN TO THE 20TH.
YEAH, DECEMBER 20TH AT 5:00 PM, THE BOARD WILL ADJOURN TILL DECEMBER THE 20TH AT 5:00.
MR. BROWN? YES, MR. HUNTER? YES. MRS. WAYMACK? YES, MR. WEBB? YES.
THANK YOU. WE'LL TO GET CLEAN COPIES OF THAT.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.