Oct 27, 2022 Planning Commission

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THURSDAY, OCTOBER 27, 2022.

[CALL TO ORDER]

WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.

MR. BRESKO.

HERE. MR. BROCKWELL.

HERE. MS. ANDERSON. HERE. MR. BROWN. IS ABSENT.

MRS. ELDER.

HERE.

MR. JOYNER.

IS ABSENT.

MR. SIMMONS.

HERE. THANK YOU.

AT THIS TIME. IF EVERYONE WOULD PLEASE RISE, WE'LL HAVE THE INVOCATION BY MR. SIMMONS AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BY MR. BROCKWELL. [INVOCATION]

[ADOPTION OF AGENDA]

IF IT SUITS EVERYONE I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE AGENDA TO BE APPROVED.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION THE AGENDA IS APPROVED.

THROUGH SECOND. SECOND.

MOTION AND SECOND, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS OPEN TO ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSIONERS ON ANY ITEM NOT BEING HEARD AS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM THIS EVENING.

IF YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU WILL HAVE 3 MINUTES TO SPEAK.

THERE BEING NO ONE, I HEREBY CLOSE TO PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

[ORDER OF BUSINESS]

COMMISSIONERS , YOU HAVE THE MEETINGS IN YOUR PACKET.

IF IT MEETS EVERYONE'S APPROVAL WITH NO ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT THEY BE APPROVED.

I MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE WORK SESSION MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER THE 19TH, 2022 AS WRITTEN.

I SECOND.

MOTION AND SECOND.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

ALSO IN FRONT OF YOU, COMMISSIONERS, YOU HAVE THE MINUTES OF THE SEPTEMBER 22ND REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.

IF THERE ARE NO ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THEIR APPROVAL.

I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR SEPTEMBER 22ND, 2022 AS A WRITTEN.

IS THERE A SECOND. SECOND.

MOTION BY MS. ELDER, SECOND BY MS. ANDERSON. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

[PUBLIC HEARINGS]

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MR. GRAVES.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN BRESKO.

MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

MR. WHITTEN. I'M TIM GRAVES, PRESENTING THE STAFF REPORT FOR THIS FOR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF THIS REQUEST UP ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW.

APPLICANT IS PG 1100 JORDAN POINT LLC AND THEY WANT TO PERMIT A COUNTRY CLUB WITH GOLF COURSE AND OTHER RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES WITHIN A R-A ZONING DISTRICT PURSUANT TO A COUPLE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS AND IN THE R-1 ZONING DISTRICT PURSUANT TO ANOTHER ORDINANCE SECTION.

SUBJECT PROPERTY IS, WAS FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE JORDAN POINT GOLF COURSE AND COUNTRY CLUB, AND IT CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 143 ACRES LOCATED AT 1100 JORDAN POINT ROAD, AND IT'S COMPOSED OF MULTIPLE TAX PARCELS.

AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE COUNTY CALLS FOR RESIDENTIAL USES IN THIS AREA.

ON THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE A LOCATION MAP AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, INCLUDING THE MULTIPLE TAX PARCELS IDENTIFIED THERE.

IT'S ALL OUTLINED IN RED.

YOU CAN SEE IT. THE PROPERTY IS ON BOTH SIDES OF JORDAN POINT ROAD.

MOST OF THE PROPERTY IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF JORDAN POINT ROAD TOWARD THE JAMES RIVER.

AND YOU CAN SEE ITS LOCATION WITHIN THE COUNTY.

FOR ANYONE WHO'S NOT FAMILIAR, IN THE TOP RIGHT CORNER, YOU CAN SEE IT'S THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY AGAIN, ALONG THE RIVER.

RIGHT ON THIS MAP, THERE'S, THIS IS THE ZONING MAP.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY AGAIN CROSSING ACROSS JORDAN POINT ROAD ON THE EAST SIDE, IT'S ZONED R-1, THE YELLOW COLOR THAT'S R-1 LIMITED RESIDENTIAL. AND ON THE LEFT OR WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD, LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, THAT'S R-A RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL.

SO MOST OF THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING ALL THE EXISTING BUILDINGS, ARE ON THAT RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD.

ON THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE AN AERIAL VIEW.

AGAIN, THE PROPERTIES OUTLINE IN RED.

YOU CAN SEE WHERE, HOW IT WAS A GOLF COURSE BEFORE.

YOU CAN STILL SEE THAT KIND OF FROM THIS AERIAL VIEW.

AND THERE ARE SOME EXISTING BUILDINGS.

SOME BACKGROUND ON HOW WE GOT HERE PRIOR TO 2012.

AROUND THAT TIME, ANYWAY, THE PROPERTY WAS OPERATED AS JORDAN POINT GOLF AND COUNTRY CLUB, AND FOR A PERIOD OF TIME IT WAS NOT IN USE.

AND IN 2022, IN JUNE, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPLICATION.

SHORTLY AFTER THAT, THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND THEN IN AUGUST, STAFF, INITIALLY, THIS WAS INITIALLY SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF REVIEWED THE CASE WITH THE COMMISSION DURING A WORK SESSION AND THEN THE HEARING, THE PUBLIC HEARING DID NEED TO BE POSTPONED DUE TO A STAFF ERROR.

AND THE NEXT MONTH THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING AT HOPEWELL LIBRARY.

THE APPLICANT AND THE JORDAN ON THE JAMES HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION WERE THERE.

STAFF ALSO ATTENDED AND THEY WERE.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT MEETING, AND THE TIME NEEDED TO KIND OF ABSORB THE CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP FROM THE COMMUNITY, IT WASN'T QUITE READY FOR PUBLIC HEARING IN SEPTEMBER. NOW IT'S READY FOR PUBLIC HEARING.

AND HERE WE ARE IN OCTOBER.

ALL RIGHT. THE SUMMARY OF THE REQUEST IS TO HAVE COUNTRY CLUB AMENITIES USING EXISTING FACILITIES, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE A SWIMMING POOL, SNACK BAR AND FOOD AND ACTIVITIES TO ENCOURAGE HEALTH AND WELLNESS, SUCH AS BIKING TRAILS, PICKLEBALL COURTS, USING THE TENNIS COURTS BEFORE.

A DRIVING RANGE.

THERE WAS ONE BEFORE AS WELL, AND A DOG PARK.

SO THERE'S NO INITIAL PLANS FOR A GOLF COURSE, ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT.

BUT THEY THEY DID SAY THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO POTENTIALLY IMPLEMENT A NINE HOLE GOLF COURSE OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES IN THE FUTURE, SO, AS THEY BUILD THEIR BUSINESS.

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BUT THEY PROVIDED SOME OTHER ONES LIKE PUMPKIN PATCH EVENTS, LIKE HOLIDAY EVENTS, EASTER EGG HUNT, HALLOWEEN EVENT WITH HAY RIDES AND A NEW YEAR'S EVE EVENT.

AND THEY WOULD LOOK TO ORGANIZE EVENTS WITH, YOU KNOW, CHARITIES, POTENTIALLY HOST A CLASSIC CAR EVENT.

SO THEY PROVIDED SOME EXAMPLES OF THE THINGS THAT THEY HAVE IN MIND.

THEY SAID THAT THERE WILL BE MEMBERSHIP DUES TO JOIN THE CLUB AND THE MEMBERSHIPS WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THE VARIOUS FACILITIES THAT ARE THERE.

AND THEY STATED THEIR GENERAL TIMES THAT THEY PLANNED TO HAVE TO BE OPEN WOULD BE 10 A.M .

TO 10 P.M. SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, AND THEY SAID THAT WOULD CHANGE OVER TIME.

NOW THERE ARE CONDITIONS THAT WOULD LIMIT THOSE, YOU KNOW, THE HOURS OF OPERATION.

THERE ARE CONDITIONS TO LIMIT THOSE HOURS.

WE'LL GET TO THOSE IN A LITTLE BIT.

AND THEY WOULD USE THE EXISTING ENTRANCE SIGNS.

ON THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE MAP THAT THEY SUBMITTED.

THE PROPERTY AGAIN IS OUTLINED IN RED.

THEY'VE, THE LITTLE DOTS THERE.

I KNOW THE TEXT IS SMALL, BUT THEY'RE JUST IDENTIFYING THE EXISTING BUILDINGS AND SWIMMING POOL AND THE EXISTING GOLF OR THE, YOU KNOW, THE GOLF DRIVING RANGE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY IN USE.

BUT THE LOCATION OF THAT IS CLOSEST TO THE JORDAN POINT ROAD.

ON. HERE'S JUST A PHOTO TAKEN FROM THE ENTRANCE.

YOU CAN SEE THE ENTRANCE ROAD THERE LEADING UP TO THE BUILDINGS CLOSER TO THE RIVER.

THIS IS JUST A VIEW TOWARD THE DRIVING RANGE AREA.

THERE'S SOME REMAINING INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE THE POLES AND ABILITY TO PUT NETTING IN THERE.

ALSO YOU CAN SEE THE ROAD.

THERE'S A TRUCK ON THE ROAD THERE.

AND THE OTHER SIGN.

ALL RIGHT. THE.

SO WE'RE GETTING INTO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMENTS.

AND THIS IS HOW THE LAND USES ARE CLASSIFIED ACCORDING TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

SO THEY SAID COUNTRY CLUB AND GOLF COURSE AND HOSTING EVENTS SUCH AS WEDDINGS AND RECEPTIONS.

AND SO THOSE USES WOULD FALL UNDER THE USES AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT'S CALLED A GOLF COURSE OR COUNTRY CLUB.

THAT ONE'S PRETTY SIMPLE.

THEY ALSO WANT TO HAVE A DRIVING RANGE THAT ACTUALLY IS NOT PART OF A GOLF COURSE AS IT'S DEFINED, BUT THAT IS POSSIBLE TO BE PERMITTED ON THE PROPERTY WITH A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, AND IT WOULD JUST BE CALLED A RECREATIONAL STRUCTURE AND USE RELATED TO OUTDOOR RECREATION.

SO AGAIN, THAT'S JUST NORMAL PEOPLE'S LANGUAGE VERSUS WHAT THE ORDINANCE CALLS THINGS.

THEY ALSO SAID THEY WANT TO HAVE ACTIVITIES TO ENCOURAGE HEALTH AND WELLNESS SUCH AS BIKING TRAILS, ETC.

THOSE WOULD ALSO FALL UNDER, GENERALLY FALL UNDER THE OUTDOOR RECREATION.

SOME THINGS LIKE GOLF CART TRAILS CAN ALSO BE USED FOR OTHER THINGS.

SO THOSE KIND OF THOSE REALLY ALSO FALL UNDER A COUNTRY CLUB USE.

WE'RE JUST SHOWING HOW THIS STUFF IS CLASSIFIED BY THE CODE, THAT'S ALL.

SO JUST SOME DEFINITIONS.

THE COUNTRY CLUB IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE THAT'S ACTUALLY DEFINED IN THE ORDINANCE.

SO THE MERRIAM-WEBSTER DICTIONARY CALLS IT A SUBURBAN CLUB FOR SOCIAL LIFE AND RECREATION.

SO STAFF HAS USED THAT AS A BASIS TO ACTUALLY CREATE A DEFINITION AND INCLUDE THAT WITHIN THE CONDITIONS FOR APPROVAL HERE.

TO CONSTRAIN WHAT A COUNTRY CLUB IS.

SO A GOLF COURSE IS DEFINED AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S ABOUT WHAT YOU'D EXPECT.

IT WOULD INCLUDE ACCESSORY USES AND BUILDINGS THAT RELATE TO A GOLF COURSE, AND IT WOULD EXCLUDE GOLF DRIVING RANGES, GOLF DRIVING RANGES THERE, AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE FALLING UNDER A RECREATIONAL USE SEPARATE FROM A COUNTRY CLUB.

MORE COMMENTS FROM PLANNING AND ZONING.

WE'RE JUST AGAIN, THE WEST SIDE OF JORDAN POINT ROAD IS ZONED DIFFERENTLY THAN THE EAST SIDE.

THE WEST SIDE WAS PREVIOUSLY USED AS A COUNTRY CLUB, A GOLF COURSE AND A GOLF DRIVING RANGE, AND IT'S PROPOSED FOR THE SAME USES.

THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD IS ZONED LIMITED RESIDENTIAL, AND IT WAS PREVIOUSLY USED AS A GOLF COURSE, AND THAT'S THE PROPOSED USE AS WELL, POTENTIALLY.

THEY MAY OR MAY NOT ACTUALLY DO THE GOLF COURSE, BUT THAT IS WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IF THIS IS APPROVED.

THE PROPOSED USES ARE SIMILAR TO PREVIOUS USES AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA, SO LONG AS THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS ARE IN PLACE.

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THIS DEPARTMENT ALSO SAID THAT JUST, FOR EVERYONE'S KNOWLEDGE, A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR EVENTS THAT ARE OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

EVENTS THAT CHARGE ADMISSION.

SO ANY KIND OF OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT THAT'S NOT LIKE A PRIVATE, LIKE WEDDING OR SOMETHING, THAT'S FOR A PRIVATE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD MOST LIKELY REQUIRE A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT. THAT'S A SEPARATE PROCESS THAT THEY HAVE TO APPLY TO THE COUNTY, AND THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S ADEQUATE STAFFING AND TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN PLACE, ADEQUATE BATHROOMS, ALL KINDS OF STUFF.

SO STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS TO ADDRESS POSSIBLE IMPACTS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO STRAY GOLF BALLS, HOURS OF OPERATION, PERMITTED ACTIVITIES, ONSITE PARKING, SIGNAGE. WE RECOMMEND TO LIMIT EVENTS TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, IS, TO, THAT'S FARTHER AWAY FROM THE MORE DENSE RESIDENTIAL ON THE EAST SIDE OF JORDAN POINT ROAD.

AGAIN LIKE JORDAN ON THE JAMES AND EAGLE PRESERVE, SUBDIVISIONS ARE ON THE EAST SIDE OF JORDAN POINT ROAD.

AND THERE'S ALSO CONDITIONS ABOUT PROTECTING THE RESOURCE PROTECTION AREAS, WHICH IS AREAS 100 FEET FROM WATER BODIES ALONG THE JAMES RIVER.

ALL RIGHT. THIS, STAFF SAID THAT THIS REQUEST APPEARS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AS RESIDENTIAL.

IT'S REASONABLE TO HAVE RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES FOR RESIDENTIAL USES.

ITS SUPPORTED BY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GOALS FOR TOURISM AND QUALITY OF LIFE.

REGARDING TRAFFIC IMPACTSM THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT AROSE FROM THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMUNITIES.

SO WE'VE GOT SOME SOME DETAILED COMMENTS HERE.

THE VDOT HAS STATED THAT THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE IS ADEQUATE TO SERVE THE PROPOSED USES OF THE PROPERTY.

THEY, THE INSURANCE ROAD IS LONG AND IT'S WIDE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE TRAFFIC IN BOTH DIRECTIONS SO IT CAN, CARS CAN STACK UP WHILE THEY'RE WAITING TO PARK IF NEEDED.

BUT THERE'S ALSO AMPLE ONSITE PARKING.

NO TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS REQUIRED.

THAT'S A STATE CODE THAT IS TRIGGERED BASED ON THE STATE CODE, IF THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC VOLUME.

SO THAT WAS NOT AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGERED HERE.

THERE WAS NO TURN LANE WARN ANALYSIS AUTOMATICALLY REQUIRED BECAUSE THERE'S NO PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED.

THEY'RE JUST PROPOSING TO REACTIVATE WHAT'S THERE FOR THE MOST PART.

AND HOWEVER, WE DID REQUEST THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE TRIP GENERATION ESTIMATES, AND THOSE ESTIMATES SUGGEST THAT A TURN LANE WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED IF A MORE FORMAL ANALYSIS WAS COMPLETED.

SO REGARDING A MORE FORMAL ANALYSIS, WE DO RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICANT GO AHEAD AND DO THAT ANALYSIS, THE TURN LANE WARRANT ANALYSIS, AND DO THAT WITHIN ACCORDING TO A CONDITION THAT'S DRAFTED.

THEY WOULD DO THAT WITHIN 12 MONTHS AND THE OWNER MUST INSTALL ANY REQUIRED IMPROVEMENTS AT THEIR EXPENSE WITHIN 36 MONTHS, IF REQUIRED.

SO THAT CONDITION AS ITS DRAFTED, WOULD ALLOW TIME TO MONITOR AND MEASURE THE ACTUAL IMPACTS OF THIS USE ON THE PROPERTY.

AND THAT WOULD MAKE FOR A MORE ACCURATE ANALYSIS AND WE'D HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT, WHETHER A TURN LANE TRULY IS REQUIRED BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

OK.

OTHER DEPARTMENT REVIEW COMMENTS FROM THE BUILDINGS INSPECTIONS OFFICE.

THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THEIR COMMENTS.

BASICALLY, ANY NEW STRUCTURE OR INNOVATIONS WILL BE REVIEWED FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE BUILDING CODE, SO THEY'LL HAVE TO SUBMIT WHATEVER PERMITS ARE NECESSARY.

OKAY. THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SAID A WELL AND SEPTIC SYSTEM MUST BE EVALUATED BASICALLY BY AN EXPERT AND CONFIRM THAT THEY, THE FACILITY SERVICE, THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE USING THEM, AND THAT WILL ALSO SERVE TO SET THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT CAN CAN BE ON THE PROPERTY FOR DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES THAT ARE GOING ON. THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AGAIN SAID THE COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE IS FINE FOR THIS.

THEY HAD NO OBJECTION.

AND THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT SAID THAT SINCE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO USE THE EXISTING BUILDING AS A COUNTRY CLUB, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT TO EXTEND ANY PUBLIC WATER INFRASTRUCTURE AT THIS TIME, WATER, SEWER.

BUT IF THEY DID PROVIDE, WANT TO HAVE NEW STRUCTURES IN THE FUTURE THAT NEED, THAT WOULD BE CONNECTED, THAT WOULD NEED TO HAVE A TOILET AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THEN IT WOULD REQUIRE THE USE OF WATER AND SEWER FROM THE PUBLIC SYSTEM.

AGAIN, IT WOULD BE REVIEWED AT THE TIME BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

THEY WERE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

THEY PRIMARILY OCCURRED DURING A COMMUNITY MEETING, AGAIN, BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND JORDAN ON THE JAMES HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION.

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THE OVERALL SENTIMENT WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS REQUEST.

THEY DID HAVE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP.

THINGS THAT WERE DISCUSSED INCLUDED ACTIVITIES, THE TYPE OF ACTIVITIES THAT ARE ALLOWED, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED.

THE TIMELINE FOR HIM DOING A GOLF COURSE.

POSSIBLE TRAFFIC IMPACTS, PARKING.

WHAT TYPE EVENTS WILL OCCUR AND THE SIZE OF EVENTS.

STAFF HAS WORKED TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS IN A FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS DOCUMENT THAT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT.

AND SO WE ALSO UPDATED THE CONDITIONS BASED ON THOSE THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP.

AND SO WE WE THINK THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS HAVE TAKEN CARE OF THOSE.

HERE ARE THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

WHILE THESE ARE SUMMARY HIGHLIGHTS OF THESE.

SO AGAIN, JUST CONDITIONS TO ESTABLISH THAT THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WOULD JUST BE USED FOR GOLF COURSE AS DEFINED.

THIS WOULD, THERE ARE SOME REVISED CONDITIONS THAT WITH VERY SLIGHT CHANGES THAT, WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT IN A MINUTE.

BUT BASICALLY THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY COULD ALSO BE USED FOR BETRAYALS, FOR USE OF BIKE OR MULTI-USE TRAILS IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE GOLF COURSE THAT ALREADY HAS THE TRAILS IN PLACE.

SO THE COUNTRY CLUB AND THEN ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD, AGAIN CLOSER TO THE RIVER, THE GOLF COURSE WOULD BE ALLOWED, A GOLF COURSE WOULD BE ALLOWED, A COUNTRY CLUB WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THE EXISTING STRUCTURES.

AND THERE WE HAVE A DEFINITION FOR THAT.

THAT'S BASED ON WHAT THEY ASKED FOR IN THIS APPLICATION.

SO FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION, A COUNTRY CLUB IS DEFINED AS A SUBURBAN CLUB FOR SOCIAL LIFE AND RECREATION, AND WILL PERMIT AMENITIES CONSISTENT WITH THIS DEFINITION, INCLUDING A SWIMMING POOL AND SNACK BAR, AND ALLOWING THE HOSTING OF EVENTS SUCH AS WEDDINGS AND RECEPTIONS.

SO WE FEEL THAT THAT IS A REASONABLE DEFINITION FOR WHAT A COUNTRY CLUB IS.

AND ALSO THE OTHER RECREATION USES THAT DON'T FALL UNDER A COUNTRY CLUB NECESSARILY.

THOSE, ONLY THOSE USES WOULD BE PERMITTED, SPECIFICALLY BIKING, MULTI-USE TRAILS, TENNIS, PICKLEBALL COURTS, DRIVING RANGE, DOG PARK, AND THEN TO PROVIDE SOME KIND OF FLEXIBILITY HERE.

OTHER RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES WITH SIMILAR IMPACTS AS APPROVED BY THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING.

SO IF THEY COME BACK AND THEY SAY THEY WANT TO HAVE A VOLLEYBALL NET, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO HAVE A WHOLE SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO HAMMER THAT OUT.

THIS IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF FLEXIBILITY THERE.

THEY NEED TO HAVE SIMILAR IMPACTS.

OK. PARKING IS ON SITE ONLY AND THERE WOULD BE NO PARKING ALLOWED ON JORDAN POINT ROAD.

THAT'S BY DEFAULT. IT'S ALREADY LIKE THAT, EVEN IF THERE'S NO CONDITION.

BUT THAT'S JUST STATED THERE FOR CLARITY.

A TURN LANE WARRANT ANALYSIS SHALL BE PROVIDED WITHIN 12 MONTHS AND THE OWNER MUST INSTALL ANY REQUIRED IMPROVEMENTS AT THEIR EXPENSE WITHIN 36 MONTHS, IF ANY ARE REQUIRED. WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT.

WATER QUALITY PROTECTION.

THEY WOULD NEED TO USE POROUS MATERIALS FOR ANY NEW PARKING AREAS THAT THEY WANT TO ESTABLISH.

THEY WOULD NEED TO DELINEATE THE RESOURCE PROTECTION AREAS BEFORE ANY DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY WOULD, IF THEY USE FERTILIZER, THEY WOULD USE ECO FRIENDLY FERTILIZER.

NOW SIGNAGE WILL BE LIMITED TO THE EXISTING SIGNAGE.

THERE WOULD BE NO ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARDS ALLOWED.

THEY MUST OBTAIN AND COMPLY WITH ALL THE REQUIRED PERMITS AND LICENSES, APPLY TO WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING.

THE OWNER MUST CERTIFY IF THEY'RE WELL AND SEPTIC SYSTEM IS READY TO BE USED AND THAT WILL AGAIN, THAT WILL ESTABLISH CAPACITY OF HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN USE THEM. PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER CONNECTION REQUIRED FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IF IT NEEDS THAT KIND OF CONNECTION.

ALL RIGHT. I THINK THIS IS THE LAST OF THESE THREE SLIDES I HAD ON THIS.

COMPLY WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE AND HOURS AND DAYS FOR OPERATIONS.

YOU CAN SEE THOSE THERE.

9 A.M. TO 10 P.M.

DURING THE WEEK, 9 A.M.

TO MIDNIGHT ON THE WEEKENDS.

9 A.M. TO 2 A.M.

ON A NEW YEAR'S EVE HOLIDAY WHEN PEOPLE ARE OUT AFTER MIDNIGHT ANYWAY.

AND THEN ALL MUSIC AND ACTIVITIES.

AND THIS WAS CHANGED, RECOMMENDED TO CHANGE TODAY.

ALL MUSIC AND ACTIVITIES SHALL OCCUR INDOORS AFTER 10 P.M.

OKAY. AND THAT'S AN EFFORT TO, YOU KNOW, THE NOISE ORDINANCE APPLIES NO MATTER WHAT.

AND THAT ALREADY SAYS YOU CAN'T BE MAKING NOISE AFTER THOSE HOURS ANYWAY.

BUT THIS WILL HELP ENSURE THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS THAT WAY BECAUSE THEY'LL HAVE TO HAVE ALL THEIR ACTIVITIES INDOORS AFTER 10.

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THE NUMBER OF ATTENDEES IS LIMITED BY THE BUILDING CODE AND THE HEALTH CODE, SO THEY'LL HAVE TO NOTIFY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BEFORE THEY HAVE ANY BIG EVENTS.

THERE'S A LIMIT HERE RECOMMENDED TO HAVE SOME CLARITY ON HOW MANY EVENTS ARE OCCURRING DURING THE YEAR.

NO MORE THAN 12 SPECIAL EVENTS REQUIRING A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT SHALL BE PERMITTED EACH CALENDAR YEAR, AND THEN NO SPECIAL EVENTS WOULD BE PERMITTED ON THE EAST SIDE OF JORDAN.

POINT ROAD. SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

AND THEN AGAIN WE PROVIDED THE REVISED CONDITIONS THAT WERE SENT TO US BY THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY TODAY, AND THEY WERE TALKING WITH THE A MEMBER OF THE JORDAN JAMES HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION.

AND SO YOU CAN SEE THOSE MINOR CHANGES IN THAT REVISED ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF YOU.

SPECIFICALLY, JUST FOR CLARITY, THAT BIKE AND MULTI USE TRAILS WOULD BE ALLOWED ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD.

SO THOSE WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO RESIDENTS OR IF THE, AS PROVIDED BY THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, THAT WOULD BE THEIR JOB TO UPKEEP THEM.

THERE WOULD BE, THERE'S JUST A CLARITY, AN ITEM OF CLARITY ABOUT THAT.

MEMBERSHIP IS OFFERED AT THE COUNTRY CLUB.

AND, JUST AGAIN, JUST MINOR THINGS FOR CLARITY.

AND THEN THE CHANGE ABOUT THE ALL MUSIC AND ACTIVITIES MUST OCCUR INDOORS AFTER 10 P.M.

SO WITH ALL THESE CONDITIONS THAT WOULD APPLY, SO STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE REVISED CONDITIONS IN FRONT OF YOU, AND THE BASIS FOR THAT RECOMMENDATION IS THERE.

AGAIN, THE APPLICANT PROFFERED CONDITIONS.

STAFF WENT BEYOND THAT AND ADDED MORE CONDITIONS THAT WE RECOMMEND.

WE'VE WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT AND THE COMMUNITY ON THESE CONDITIONS AND THEY GENERALLY SUPPORT THE CONDITIONS AND THE REQUEST APPEARS TO BE COMPATIBLE OVERALL WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.

THAT CONCLUDES WHAT I HAD PREPARED.

BEFORE WE GO INTO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, I WANTED TO, THE APPLICANT SAID THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND AND TALK FOR A MINUTE, SO WE'LL SAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF UNTIL AFTER THAT. OR ACTUALLY YOU CAN ASK THEM QUESTIONS FIRST AND THEN DIRECT QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

I'LL COME BACK UP. THANK YOU.

HELLO. GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME. I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT.

ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO DO IS INTRODUCE MYSELF.

MY NAME IS IHAB ATALLAH.

A LITTLE BACKGROUND ABOUT MYSELF IS I WAS BORN IN EGYPT, CAME HERE TO THE US WHEN I WAS THREE YEARS OLD, LIVED IN VIRGINIA MOST OF MY LIFE, AND NOW, CURRENTLY FULL TIME LIVE IN FLORIDA.

BUT COMING BACK TO VIRGINIA.

I, WE HAVE A PROPERTY THAT IS NEXT DOOR, 700 JORDAN POINT ROAD.

PART OF THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY IS BECAUSE I WAS DRIVING BY THIS PROPERTY FOR YEARS AND SEEING IT ABANDONED IN THE CONDITION THAT IT WAS IN.

AND I SAID TO MYSELF THAT IT NEEDED SOMETHING TO BE DONE WITH THAT PROPERTY SO IT DOESN'T LOOK SO ABANDONED.

AND WHILE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE, WE SAW THAT THERE WAS SOME VOIDS THAT NEEDED TO BE FILLED FOR QUALITY OF LIFE AND THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE WITH THAT PROPERTY.

IT JUST DIDN'T LOOK GOOD TO ME AND THAT'S WHAT TRIGGERED US MOVING FORWARD AND PURCHASING THE PROPERTY.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IMPRESSED ME ABOUT IT WAS, THAT WE WANT TO DO, WAS ALREADY THERE, THE BUILDINGS, THE STRUCTURES, THE LAYOUT, IT WAS ALL THERE. IT JUST NEEDED SOME TLC, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO CALL IT.

I DON'T WANT TO DRAG THIS OUT, BUT, I AM SO PLEASED ABOUT WHAT WE'VE HAD HAPPEN TO US IN THIS COUNTY SO FAR, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO BEING HERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

I'M GOING TO TURN THINGS OVER TO PART OF OUR TEAM, MIKE LAFAYETTE, WHICH IS OUR ATTORNEY, AND HE CAN HELP ANSWER SOME OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS AS WELL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

HELLO, MR. CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

MY NAME IS MICHAEL LAFAYETTE, AND I'M AN ATTORNEY, AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY A COUPLE OF WORDS TO YOU THIS EVENING AND SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENT, WHO I'VE KNOWN

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WITH RESPECT TO THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE RECORD IS CLEAR THAT THE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED, AT LEAST IN THE DOCUMENT THAT I HAVE THAT ARE IN FRONT OF YOU AND PART OF THE RECORD.

AND LET ME JUST TELL YOU HOW THIS CAME ABOUT.

SO THIS AFTERNOON, MYSELF AND MR. ATALLAH AND BEV ROGERS HAD A VERY PLEASANT TELEPHONE CONVERSATION TRYING TO ADDRESS ADDITIONAL CONCERNS RAISED BY MS. ROGERS WITH RESPECT TO THE HOMEOWNERS ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY.

SO WITH THAT, MS. ROGERS SENT ME SOME ADDITIONAL CHANGES THAT WE REVIEWED BY PHONE TODAY, AND THOSE CHANGES APPEAR IN RED IN FRONT OF YOU.

SO DOES EVERYONE HAVE A COPY OF THAT? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL COMMISSION MEMBERS YOU DO.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WITH THAT, I JUST WANT TO BRIEFLY POINT OUT SOME OF THE CHANGES HERE AND WHY THEY'RE REQUESTED.

SO WITH RESPECT TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, CONDITION NUMBER THREE, YOU SEE THAT IT HAS ADDITIONAL FOR BIKE AND MULTI USE TRAILS, BUT EXCLUDING GAS POWERED VEHICLES LIKE.

SO BASICALLY THE LOCAL RESIDENTS WANTED TO HAVE ACCESS TO TRAILS ON THIS PROPERTY.

AND SO NOT JUST HAVING FOR A GOLF COURSE BUT ALSO FOR TRAILS.

AND SO WE AGREED THAT AS AN ACCOMMODATION, ABSOLUTELY.

SO BIKE AND MULTI-USE TRAILS.

BUT THEN ON THE FLIP SIDE, MS. ROGERS INDICATED THEY'D BE CONCERNED FOR SOMETHING LIKE ATVS, AND CLIENT HAS NO WANTING TO HAVE ATVS RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE TRAILS. SO WE OFFERED TO SAY, WHY DON'T WE LIMIT THAT THAN TO SAY NO GAS POWERED VEHICLES .

SO THAT WOULD BE ATVS, MOTORCYCLES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO YOU WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.

BUT THEN AS WE TALK MORE, WE'RE LIKE, WELL, THERE ARE SOME GOLF CARTS THAT ARE GAS, NOT ALL ARE BATTERY.

SO WE SAID, OKAY, SO BUT YOU CAN HAVE A GAS POWERED GOLF CART.

AND OF COURSE THERE HAVE TO BE MAINTENANCE VEHICLES COMING OUT.

SO THOSE ARE THE EXCEPTIONS.

SO BASICALLY MULTI USE COULD BE LIKE, IT CAN BE A SKATEBOARD, IT COULD BE A BIKE, WHATEVER, BUT IT CAN'T BE GAS POWERED.

SO I THINK THAT ADDRESSED THE CONCERN VERY WELL FOR MS. ROGERS AND FOR THE NEIGHBORS.

SO I WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT'S WHY IT WAS KIND OF EXPANDED.

IT WAS REALLY AT THE REQUEST OF THE NEIGHBORS AND WE WANTED TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

SO ANYWAY, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.

I DO. I WOULD ECHO THAT.

I THINK IT HAS BEEN A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE NEIGHBORS.

I CAN'T SAY THAT EVERYTHING HAS BEEN AGREED TO.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT.

BUT I THINK IT HAS BEEN A GOOD ACCOMMODATION, A GOOD COMPROMISE BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND THE NEIGHBORS ON THINGS THAT WERE REQUESTED.

TURNING TO THE NEXT PAGE, THE NEIGHBORS REQUESTED THAT THERE WOULD BE MEMBERSHIP AVAILABLE.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, KIND OF DEFINE THIS AS IT'S A COUNTRY CLUB, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S KIND OF COUNTRY CLUB IN OUR EYES.

SO THEREFORE MEMBERSHIP IS BEING OFFERED AND WE AGREED THAT THAT WOULD BE ALSO ADDED.

SO MEMBERSHIP BEING OFFERED AND SO WE DID NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

BIKE TO BICYCLE WAS CHANGED BY STAFF AND THEN COMING DOWN TO NUMBER EIGHT, THAT THE ANALYSIS, AND THIS IS THE ANALYSIS FOR THE ROAD FOR THE TURN LANE, THAT IT WOULD BE 12 MONTHS FROM THE OPENING OF THE DEVELOPMENT INSTEAD OF THE APPROVAL.

AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE MAY BE A SUBSTANTIAL DELAY BEFORE IT'S OPEN AND WE'D BE EATING UP TIME, VALUABLE TIME AND NOT REALLY HAVE ANY VEHICLES OR ANY INFORMATION TO GO BY. SO THAT'S A CHANGE THERE.

AND I THINK THAT MAKES PRACTICAL SENSE THERE.

AND I THINK STAFF WELCOMES THAT TOO.

WITH RESPECT TO THE FERTILIZER, IT MAY SEEM SILLY, BUT IT WAS AN IMPORTANT ASPECT ACTUALLY, OF THE RESIDENTS WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS ECO FRIENDLY FERTILIZER IF USED ON THE PROPERTY.

AND OF COURSE, WE AGREE TO THAT.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE SUMMARY OF WHAT WE WENT OVER TODAY WITH RESPECT TO THE NEIGHBORS.

AND SO I DO APPRECIATE THEIR THEIR INPUT.

I APOLOGIZE IT WAS LAST MINUTE, BUT I FEEL THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT SINCE MS. ROGERS REACHED OUT TO US, THAT WE COULD ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL REQUESTS.

SO WE APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH AND WE WANT TO WORK AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

NOW, THERE IS ONE CHANGE, AND THIS IS SOMETHING I DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY WITH MR. GRAVES THAT, AND THIS IS, OF COURSE, THE OTHER CONDITIONS THAT ARE LISTED HERE.

BUT THERE IS ONE CONDITION THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, WHICH IS ON 18 E, 18 E IF YOU COULD TURN TO THAT, PLEASE.

WE REQUESTED A DIFFERENT NUMBER WHEN IT CAME TO SPECIAL EVENTS.

RIGHT NOW IT'S LIMITED TO 12 PER YEAR, WHICH COMES TO ONE A MONTH.

AND WE HAD ASKED THAT THAT BE INCREASED AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO KEEP IT AT 12.

SO I AM ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT REQUESTING THAT THAT NUMBER BE CHANGED TO 24.

AND LET ME TELL YOU WHY.

FOR INSTANCE, YOU COULD HAVE ONE EVENT IN A MONTH THAT'S LIKE A CAR SHOW AND THAT'S IT.

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SO IT COULD BE A LIMITED EVENT THAT REQUIRES A SPECIAL PERMIT BECAUSE IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

NOT THAT BIG OF A DRAW, BUT WE COULDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER EVENT.

SO, AND I REALIZE IT'S EVENTS PER YEAR, 12, BUT THAT REALLY STILL COMES DOWN TO ONE A MONTH.

SO WE'RE ASKING THAT TO BE CHANGED SO WE HAVE TWO MONTH.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS I UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBORS CONCERN ABOUT NOT TURNING THIS PLACE INTO A SPECIAL EVENTS VENUE WHERE THERE IS, YOU KNOW, 20 EVENTS A MONTH AND ALL THAT. I GET THAT.

BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE, ONE EVENT A MONTH DOES NOT REALLY LEND ITSELF TO BEING A VERY ACTIVE FACILITY TO EVENTS.

NOT ACTIVE EITHER.

THAT ACTIVE. I REALIZE THAT IT COULD BE SOME WEDDINGS AND RECEPTIONS THROWN IN, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC EVENTS.

TWO A MONTH, WE FEEL, WORKS STILL WITH THE COMMUNITY.

AND THEN LET'S BE HONEST, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS A VIABLE OPERATION.

IT'S BEEN DORMANT AND IT WAS DORMANT PROBABLY FOR A WHILE BECAUSE IT FAILED.

WE DON'T WANT IT TO FAIL.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TURN THIS INTO AN EVENT VENUE 20 A MONTH, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY THAT WE CAN EARN A LITTLE BIT OF REVENUE AND HAVE SOME EVENTS THERE SO THAT WAY THIS BUSINESS IS VIABLE.

SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR CONSIDERATION THAT YOU INCREASE THAT NUMBER TO 24, WHICH WOULD BE TWO A MONTH.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING THAT DID NOT COVER OR ANYTHING RELATED TO THE CONDITIONS OR ANYTHING WHATSOEVER.

I'D LIKE TO ASK SOMETHING.

YOU SAY IT'S GOING TO BE A COUNTRY CLUB AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MEMBERSHIPS.

WILL THAT BE A BOARD FOR THE CLUB? SO THAT, AT THIS POINT THE DYNAMICS OR HOW THIS IS SET UP HAS NOT BEEN DETERMINED.

I THINK IF IT IS GOING TO BE NINE HOLE, I DOUBT THERE WILL BE A BOARD.

I THINK IT'S JUST GOING TO RUN LIKE MOST NINE HOLE CLUBS, WHICH ARE JUST, IT'S NOT A FULL MEMBERSHIP LIKE WE'RE A BOARD, EXCEPT I THINK IT IS JUST MUCH MORE KIND OF ROUTINE, IF YOU WOULD, YOU COULD APPLY FOR MEMBERSHIP.

BUT I THINK IT'S JUST HANDLED BY THE, BY THE BUSINESS ENTITY ITSELF.

I WOULD NOT SAY I THINK IF IT WERE TO GO ON TO 18 HOLES, THEN I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY BE MORE INVOLVEMENT AT THAT POINT.

BUT I THINK INITIALLY, IF IT'S GOING TO OPEN UP AS NINE HOLES, I DON'T FORESEE IT AS BEING A FORMAL PROCESS, I GUESS IS HOW I'D ANSWER THAT.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE MEMBERSHIP, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY SAY SO IN THE BUSINESS.

WELL, I THINK ANY CUSTOMER, WHETHER A MEMBER OR OTHERWISE, I REPRESENT A LOT OF BUSINESSES, ALL KINDS OF BUSINESSES.

AND I THINK EVERY CUSTOMER HAS A SAY ON WHAT THE WHAT THE BUSINESS DOES.

BUT I DON'T THINK TO ANSWER YOU VERY SPECIFICALLY AT THIS POINT, I DON'T THINK WE ENVISION MEMBERS HAVING SOME TYPE OF BOARD THAT WOULD CONTROL THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS AT THIS POINT.

IT'S NOT THAT BIG YET.

AT THE MOST WE'RE JUST SETTING UP FOR A NINE HOLE GOLF COURSE.

ONCE THAT GETS IN PLACE, IF THAT GETS IN PLACE DOWN THE ROAD, BUT INITIALLY IT WILL NOT BE IN PLACE.

SO I'D SAY RIGHT NOW, I DON'T WANT TO MISLEAD YOU.

THERE WOULD NOT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A MEMBERSHIP CONTROLLED ASSOCIATION OR A CLUB.

EXCUSE ME. I HAVE A QUESTION.

YES. THIS IS 143 ACRE PARCEL.

AND THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION WE TALKED ABOUT TWO TYPES OF USES: GOLF LIKE USES AND GOLF USES.

BUT YET YOUR PLANS ARE NOT TO BUILD A GOLF COURSE UNTIL THE DEMAND WARRANTS IT, WHICH MAKES SENSE.

WHAT I'M HAVING DIFFICULTY IS I CHOSE THE GROUP THE OTHER NIGHT IS GETTING MY ARMS AROUND WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH 143 ACRES TO MAKE THE PLACE VIABLE? WELL, I THINK THAT INITIALLY TO SET UP IS TO ACTUALLY SET UP AND RUN THE FACILITY ITSELF, THE CLUB ITSELF.

NEXT DOOR. I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU, HOLY MACKEREL HAS BEEN DOING VERY WELL.

I THINK THERE IS A NEED FOR WEDDING RECEPTIONS AND PRIVATE EVENTS FOR THIS LOCATION.

SO THAT IS THE INTENT TO BEGIN WITH IS TO OPEN IT UP FOR THE SOCIAL ASPECT OF IT, INCLUDING THE POOL AND ALL THAT.

SO THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

AND, YOU KNOW, I WILL JUST TELL YOU THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING TO START.

AND THEN ONCE YOU HAVE THAT AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, LOCAL FAMILY AND I WILL TELL YOU, THIS IS NOT A LARGE CORPORATION THAT HAS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO POUR INTO.

IT'S EXPENSIVE TO BUY, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT OVER TIME.

AND I THINK THEY'RE COMING TO YOU, I WOULD SAY, THEY'RE BEING UPFRONT, YOU KNOW.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT OVER TIME.

THEY DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO JUST ROLL OUT AND SPEND $5 MILLION ON OPENING UP A BRAND NEW COURSE.

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IT'S REALLY MORE OF A RESOURCE AND MAKING SURE THERE'S ALSO THE DEMAND FOR IT.

SO I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE VERY GOOD ABOUT CHECKING THAT.

ARE YOU SUGGESTING GOING FROM 12 EVENTS A YEAR TO 24 EVENTS A YEAR MAKES IT A VIABLE OPERATION? I NEVER WOULD PROMISE YOU THAT IT MAKES IT A VIABLE, BUT IT MAKES IT MORE VIABLE BECAUSE IT DOUBLES THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT COULD BE BROUGHT IN WITH RESPECT TO SPECIAL EVENTS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THE ONLY THING I'VE.

WHERE YOU PUT YOUR, THIS CONDITION FOR ATVS.

THEY'RE BUILDING A LOT OF ELECTRIC ATVS NOW.

SO ARE YOU JUST SAYING ANYTHING THAT GOES IN THERE HAS TO BE ELECTRIC POWERED? NO. WHETHER IT'S AN ATV OR A GOLF CART.

WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THIS WAS ACTUALLY AT THE REQUEST OF THE ASSOCIATION THAT WE PROVIDE THE BIKE PATHS AND THE WALKING PATHS AND OTHER FACILITY, BUT THEY JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DID NOT ALLOW I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, WHAT WE'RE DOING AT THE REQUEST, WE'RE PUTTING THE TRAILS AT THE REQUEST OF THE NEIGHBORS.

WE TALK MORE ABOUT, OKAY, THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.

BUT THEN THE NEIGHBOR SAID, OKAY, IF WE CALL IT THESE BIKE AND MULTI-USE TRAILS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE NO ATVS.

AND WE'RE LIKE, WELL, WE HAVE NO QUESTION.

WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT ATVS THERE EITHER.

SO WE JUST ASSUMED ATVS ARE GAS.

WE HAVE NO OBJECTION WITH ADDING ATVS, WHETHER IT'S GAS OR NOT, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT ATVS.

THAT WOULD JUST RUIN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE THERE.

THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED ADDED IN THERE.

I WOULD HAVE NO OBJECTION IF THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDED AS A CONDITION, AS PART OF THE CONDITION.

NO OTHER QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. GRAVES. ALL RIGHT.

I'LL JUST RESPOND TO THOSE AS WELL BEFORE WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

SO WE COULD HAVE A CONDITION, A SLIGHT CONDITION CHANGE FOR NUMBER 3B, AND IT COULD JUST ADD THE WORD ATVS AND SO WOULD SAY BICYCLE MULTI-USE TRAILS, EXCLUDING ATVS AND GAS POWERED VEHICLES, EXCEPT GOLF CARTS, ETC.

YEAH. DOES THAT ACCOMPLISH YES. JUST ADDED ATVS.

OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE A CONDITION TO TO INCLUDE WITH YOUR MOTION TO ADJUST THAT.

CONDITION. NUMBER 3B, TO ADD ATVS.

OKAY.

REGARDING THE SPECIAL EVENTS, WE DEFINITELY TALKED ABOUT THAT WITH THE APPLICANT QUITE A BIT.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS SOME KIND OF, SOME KIND OF LIMIT THAT HELPS PROVIDE SOME AMOUNT OF PREDICTABILITY.

SO AT LEAST WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT A NUMBER HERE, AN EFFORT TO ADDRESS THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERN FOR A LOT OF OUTDOOR EVENTS HAPPENING.

SO WE WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF EVENTS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY THAT DON'T REQUIRE A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.

SO THEY WOULDN'T EVEN BE CONSIDERED IN PART OF THAT.

SO THE COUNTY HAS LIKE A DO I NEED A PERMIT FOR MY EVENT SHEET THAT EXPLAINS AND IT SAYS THAT IF THE EVENT IS HELD INDOORS WITHIN A PERMANENTLY ENCLOSED STRUCTURE, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE A PERMIT, DOES NOT REQUIRE A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.

SO THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THEIR COUNTRY CLUB USE.

AND IF IT DOESN'T INCLUDE MUSIC OR ENTERTAINMENT, IT WOULD ALSO NOT REQUIRE A SO THERE'S A RANGE OF THINGS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED AND THEY WOULD NOT APPLY TO THEIR LIMIT.

SO STAFF WOULD JUST BE COUNTING THE NUMBER OF SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS PER YEAR.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT NUMBER AT ALL, THAT'S THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION.

THEIR STAFF RECOMMENDED 12.

ALL RIGHT. AND OF COURSE, WEDDINGS AND RECEPTIONS WOULD NOT BE COUNTED TOWARD THAT AS WELL.

SO YOU'RE SAYING A CAR SHOW WOULD NOT BE A SPECIAL EVENT? IF IT DOESN'T REQUIRE MUSIC.

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SOMETIMES IF IT DOESN'T HAVE.

IF IT'S INDOORS, NO.

IF IT'S OUTDOORS AND IT DOES NOT HAVE MUSIC OR ENTERTAINMENT, THEN NO.

SO IT JUST REALLY DEPENDS ON THE NATURE OF THE EVENT THAT THEY WANT TO PUT ON.

THERE'S A WAY FORWARD FOR THEM TO HAVE A CAR SHOW THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.

THAT TYPE OF CAR SO THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT, IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE THE TYPE OF EVENT THAT DOESN'T HAVE BIG IMPACTS ON THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.

THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT IS IT CAPTURES THOSE UNIQUE TYPE EVENTS THAT ARE LIKELY TO HAVE WIDER IMPACTS.

I HOPE THAT MAKES SOME MORE SENSE.

SO AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT CHARGING THAT'S ALSO A FACTOR.

I MEAN, THERE HAS TO BE DONATIONS OR TICKET SALES TO GENERATE REVENUE IN ORDER TO BE TO BE A SPECIAL EVENT.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S ALREADY A CAR SHOW THAT THERE'S ALREADY A CAR SHOW WITH EVENTS THAT HAVE BEEN OCCURRING IN THE COUNTY.

I KNOW SCOTTS PARK AND DOWN AT THE MARINA AT JORDAN POINT.

I WOULD THINK LOGISTICALLY IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE FOR THOSE SHOWS TO BE HERE BECAUSE OF THE ACCESS AND THE MARINA, THE TRAFFIC ISSUES AT SCOTTS PARK.

BUT THE EVENTS THAT I ATTENDED DO HAVE MUSIC, SO THAT WOULD COUNT, GO TOWARDS THE.

IF THERE IS MUSIC. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, CORRECT? YES. SO THAT IF THEY HOSTED THOSE EVENTS HERE, RATHER THAN THE LESSER PRACTICAL LOCATIONS, IT WOULD PREVENT THEM FROM TAKING ANY ADDITIONAL EVENTS THAT ARE ALREADY OCCURRING IN THE COUNTY? YES. AND THERE IS A DEFINITION IN THE COUNTY CODE OF WHAT A SPECIAL EVENT IS.

SO CLARIFY.

I CAN READ IT, BUT IT'S BASICALLY IT GOES, THAT'S THE QUESTIONS THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT ARE BUILT BASED ON THAT.

SO A SPECIAL EVENT IS A GATHERING OF PERSONS TO BE HELD IN OPEN SPACE, NOT WITHIN A PERMANENTLY ENCLOSED STRUCTURE FOR THE PURPOSE OF LISTENING TO OR PARTICIPATING IN MUSIC OR LISTENING TO OR PARTICIPATING IN ENTERTAINMENT THAT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC OR WHICH RESULTS IN REVENUE THROUGH DONATIONS OR TICKET SALES.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A DEFINITION OF ENTERTAINMENT.

AND SO.

SOME EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT CONSIDERED A SPECIAL EVENT AND DO NOT REQUIRE PERMIT ARE COUNTY OR SCHOOL SPONSORED EVENTS, YARD SALES, FLEA MARKETS, FAMILY REUNIONS, PRIVATE PARTIES, ATHLETIC TOURNAMENTS, OUTDOOR WEDDINGS, RECEPTIONS, PEP RALLIES, BUSINESS GRAND OPENINGS, INDOOR EVENTS - DO NOT REQUIRE A PERMIT, SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.

DO YOU KNOW IF WE PLACED RESTRICTIONS ON THE BARNS OF KANAK AND THE OTHER TWO THAT WE HAVE APPROVED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, IF WE REPLACED ANY RESTRICTIONS ON THEM? AND AS FAR AS SPECIAL EVENTS ARE CONCERNED? WE DID NOT.

WE DID NOT HAVE ANY CONCERNS FROM THE COMMUNITY ON THOSE, BUT ALSO THEY WERE CLEARLY ESTABLISHED AS A WEDDING VENUE.

SO THEY'RE ALSO LIMITED BY THE SIZE OF THEIR PROPERTIES AS WELL.

SO IT WAS NOT A PART OF THE CONVERSATION FOR THOSE.

ARE YOU SAYING THE BARNS OF KANAK IS LIMITED TO WEDDING EVENTS? NO. THEY COULD HOST A SPECIAL EVENT ON THEIR PROPERTY.

I CAN TELL YOU WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS FOR THAT PROPERTY.

THEY DO NOT HAVE A CONDITION LIMITING THE NUMBER ON THEIR PROPERTY.

AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU PROCEED AND THERE'S 12 EVENTS IN THE CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, LOOK, I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY PROBLEMS. CAN I HAVE, CAN WE CHANGE THAT TO HAVE MORE EVENTS? SO THAT WOULD BE A POSSIBLE OUTCOME IF THAT, IF YOU DID NOT CHANGE IT.

I'D LIKE TO ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION.

WITH THE RESTAURANT, HAS THERE BEEN ANY HOLY MACKEREL HAS THERE BEEN ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT FOLLOWING THE RULES OF THE COUNTY? SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? HAS THERE BEEN ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE HOLY MACKEREL AS FAR AS HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THINGS LIKE PARKING AND YEAH, THERE'S SOME KNOWN ISSUES WITH PARKING AND THE APPLICANT, THERE ARE SOME ACTIONS THAT THE APPLICANT CAN TAKE TO ADDRESS THAT, AND THEY RELATE LARGELY TO THE

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AND SO THE APPLICANT IS WORKING WITH US ON THAT.

THAT PROPERTY IS QUITE SMALL, SO THAT CAUSES SOME SOME OF THE EXTRA CHALLENGES THERE.

BUT THEY ARE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ON THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.

THIS BEING A PUBLIC HEARING EVENT, I HEREBY OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AT THIS TIME, ANYONE THAT WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND ALL YOUR COMMENTS TO 3 MINUTES.

CHAIRMAN BRESKO, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AND MR. WHITTEN. MY NAME IS BEVERLY ROGERS.

I LIVE AT 249 LIGHTHOUSE POINT, NORTH PRINCE GEORGE, VIRGINIA.

I RESIDE IN THE JORDAN ON THE JAMES SUBDIVISION.

WHILE I'M PRESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, I'M SPEAKING ONLY AS A RESIDENT WHO LIVES NEAR THE PROPERTY.

I WOULD LIKE TO FURTHER CLARIFY SOME OF THE STATEMENTS THAT WERE MADE EARLIER BY MR. LAFAYETTE. AS I HAVE SPOKEN WITH MR. ATALLAH, HIS REPRESENTATIVES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DAYS, I HAVE EMPHASIZED THAT I'M SPEAKING AS A RESIDENT, AND I AM NOT REPRESENTING THE BOARD OR THE RESIDENTS OF JORDAN ON THE JAMES.

THOSE RESIDENTS WILL SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO COUNTY STAFF AND MR. ATALLAH AND HIS REPRESENTATIVES FOR WORKING WITH MYSELF AND AREA RESIDENTS TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND TO LISTEN TO OUR CONCERNS.

I, FOR ONE, AM VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE POSITIVE PROSPECTS THAT THIS PROJECT WILL BRING NOT ONLY TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD BUT ALSO THE SURROUNDING AREA AND ALSO THE ENTIRE ENTIRETY OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.

THIS AREA HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY SINCE THE GOLF COURSE WAS BUILT IN 1954.

THOSE CHANGES SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS YOU DELIBERATE ON THIS PROPOSAL.

FIRST, THE CLEAN WATER ACT AND THE CHESAPEAKE BAY ACTS WERE NOT IN PLACE WHEN THE GOLF COURSE WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT.

THEREFORE, THE USE WAS NOT DESIGNED TO COMPLY WITH THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

SECONDLY, THERE WAS A VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON 156 AS ACCESS ACROSS THE RIVER WAS BY WAY OF FERRY.

SINCE THE BENJAMIN HARRISON BRIDGE HAS BEEN BUILT, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC HAS INCREASED CONSIDERABLY.

THERE IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF LOGGING AND TRACTOR TRAILER TRUCKS THAT TRAVEL THE ROAD DAILY.

KEEPING THOSE COMMENTS IN MIND WHILE AT THE SAME TIME UNDERSTANDING THAT I DO SUPPORT THE PROPOSAL UNDER THE RIGHT SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES.

I DO HAVE THREE CONCERNS THAT I WOULD HOPE THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD CONSIDER AS THEY DELIBERATE ON THIS PROPOSAL.

FIRST OF ALL, RELATES TO WATER QUALITY PROTECTION.

MOST, IF NOT ALL, OF THE PROPERTY DRAINS TO BILLY'S CREEK, WHICH ENTERS INTO LAKE SIMMS. MY NEIGHBORHOOD BY LAW IS FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THE QUALITY OF THIS LAKE AND SPENDS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY TO DO SO.

CARE SHOULD BE TAKEN TO ENSURE THAT RUNOFF FROM THE PROPERTY DOES NOT LEAD TO FURTHER DEGRADATION OF THIS LAKE.

FERTILIZER CONTAINS NITROGEN AND PHOSPHORUS, WHICH CONTRIBUTES TO WATER POLLUTION AND INCREASES THE POSSIBILITY OF ALGAE BLOOM.

WHILE STAFF ATTEMPTED TO ADDRESS THAT CONCERN THROUGH A RECOMMENDATION THAT ECO FRIENDLY FERTILIZER IS USED.

IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM SPEAKING WITH YOUR LOCAL SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION STAFF AS WELL AS REPRESENTATIVES WITH DEQ AND DCR, WHILE ECO FRIENDLY FERTILIZERS ARE BETTER FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AND DO NOT HAVE AN IMMEDIATE IMPACT ON WATER QUALITY, THERE IS A LONG TERM IMPACT THAT CAN OCCUR.

THAT BEING SAID, AND I APOLOGIZE, I MEANT TO PASS THESE OUT EARLIER.

MAY I APPROACH THE DAIS AND.

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WHILE IT MAY BE CONTENDED THAT THE CURRENT STATE AND COUNTY REGULATIONS ADDRESS SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT I HAVE OUTLINED, THOSE STANDARDS MAY CHANGE AND THEREFORE INCLUDING THEM IN THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION ENSURES THAT EVERY EFFORT WILL BE MADE TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON WATER QUALITY.

THE INCLUSION OF THE CONDITIONS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER CONDITION THAT HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, BUT ARE REQUIRED UNDER CURRENT LAW.

LAKE SIMMS SIMPLY SHOULD NOT BECOME A REGIONAL BMP THAT ACTS TO FILTER RUNOFF FROM UPSTREAM DEVELOPMENT BEFORE IT ENTERS THE JAMES RIVER.

SECONDLY, AS NOTED PREVIOUSLY, THE TRAFFIC SITUATION ALONG ROUTE 156 HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY SINCE THE GOLF COURSE WAS BUILT.

THE LACK OF TURN LANES ALONG THE ROAD, ESPECIALLY LEFT TURN LANES, IS OF GRAVE CONCERN DUE TO THE POTENTIAL FOR REAR END COLLISIONS. ALTHOUGH THE SPEED LIMIT IS 55, TRACTOR TRAILER AND LOGGING TRUCKS, EXCUSE ME, ARE OFTEN TRAVELING IN EXCESS OF THAT LIMIT. THERE HAS BEEN INSTANCES OF REAR END COLLISIONS THAT HAVE RESULTED IN 156 BEING CLOSED FOR HOURS WITH THE INABILITY OF EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO GET TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD FROM ROUTE 10.

WHEN THAT OCCURS, IF EMERGENCY SERVICES ARE NEEDED, IT IS NECESSARY TO TRY TO ACCESS FROM NORTH OF THE RIVER.

THAT ROUTE TAKES A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF TIME.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT MANY OF THE COUNTY'S ROADS DO NOT HAVE PROPER LEFT AND RIGHT TURN LANES, RESULTING IN A HIGH RATE OF TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS.

THE COMP PLAN ALSO RECOMMENDS THAT A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY BE PERFORMED FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT IS EXPECTED TO GENERATE OVER 250 VEHICLES PER DAY.

THE TRIP GENERATION NUMBERS FROM THE APPLICANT INDICATE THE POTENTIAL FOR 273 AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS TO BE GENERATED BY THE GOLF COURSE ALONE.

YET AN IMPACT ANALYSIS HAS NOT BEEN REQUIRED.

WHILE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LEFT TURN LANE INSTALLED PRIOR TO REOPENING THE PROPERTY FOR PUBLIC USE, AT A MINIMUM, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ASSURED THAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS WILL BE MONITORED OVER TIME TO ENSURE THAT WHEN THE WARRANTS ARE THERE A TURN LANE WOULD BE INSTALLED.

THAT BEING SAID, I'M REQUESTING THAT CONSIDERATION BE GIVEN TO AMENDING CONDITION EIGHT.

AS I HAVE SHOWN IN MY DOCUMENT THAT I HAVE PROVIDED TO YOU.

I DO NOT SUPPORT THE CONDITION THAT MR. LAFAYETTE SUBMITTED TONIGHT WITH RESPECT TO THAT PARTICULAR REVISION OF CONDITION EIGHT.

RATHER, I WOULD PREFER THE CONDITION THAT I HAVE RECOMMENDED, WHICH BASICALLY SAYS THAT INITIALLY THERE WILL BE A TRAFFIC, A TURN LANE WARRANT ANALYSIS FOR CERTAIN USES.

THERE ARE THE POSSIBILITY, AND IF THAT SHOWS THAT TURN LANES ARE NOT REQUIRED, THEN THE QUESTION IS OVER WITH, SO TO SPEAK.

BUT FOUR YEARS AFTER THERE MAY BE OTHER USES THAT ARE ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY PER THE CONDITIONS OF THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION. AND THERE IS NEVER AN ANALYSIS MADE AS TO THAT TRAFFIC IMPACT FOR THOSE PARTICULAR USES.

WHILE IT MAY BE CONTENDED THAT A WARRANT ANALYSIS IS ALREADY REQUIRED BY VDOT, AS I UNDERSTAND FROM SPEAKING WITH MR. PAUL HENSON, THE VDOT LAND USE ENGINEER WHO REVIEWED THE ZONING PROPOSAL, AN ANALYSIS IS NOT REQUIRED UNLESS THERE IS SUBMISSION OF A SITE PLAN.

THERE IS THE POTENTIAL THAT THE USES MAY OCCUR ON THE PROPERTY THAT DO NOT REQUIRE A SITE PLAN.

THEREFORE, THE MODIFICATION OF THE CONDITION, AS I HAVE RECOMMENDED, WOULD ASSURE THAT THE TRAFFIC SITUATION WOULD BE MONITORED EACH TIME A USE IS PROPOSED THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL ANALYSIS.

LASTLY, WITH RESPECT TO PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE CONNECTIVITY, THE COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES RECOMMEND THAT BIKE LANES AND PATHS BE

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THE CONDITION IS I HAVE RECOMMENDED WOULD ALLOW SUCH USES ON THE EAST SIDE OF ROUTE 156.

THE CONDITION THAT HAS NOW BEEN SUBMITTED BY MR. LAFAYETTE TONIGHT, I THINK IN CONJUNCTION WITH DISCUSSION WITH STAFF, WOULD NOT ALLOW THOSE SORTS OF USES UNLESS THEY WERE IN CONJUNCTION WITH A COUNTRY CLUB OR GOLF COURSE ACTIVITY.

I WOULD REQUEST THAT THAT LANGUAGE BE STRUCK AND THAT BICYCLE AND MULTI-USE TRAILS, EXCLUDING THE POWER, GAS POWERED VEHICLES EXCEPT GOLF CARTS AND MAINTENANCE VEHICLES, AND ALSO THAT ATVS BE PRECLUDED, BE REMOVED FROM THE, THAT THEY NOT BE REQUIRED TO BE IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE COUNTRY CLUB OR THE GOLF COURSE.

AND THAT THOSE USES COULD POTENTIALLY BE THERE IF THERE IS NO COUNTRY CLUB OR GOLF COURSE.

BUT IF IN FACT THERE ARE OTHER RECREATIONAL USES ON THE PROPERTY, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT THOSE USES BE THERE, ONLY THAT THAT PARTICULAR USE WOULD BE PERMITTED.

IN CONCLUSION, I FULLY SUPPORT THE PROJECT, BUT ONLY UNDER THE RIGHT SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES, ESPECIALLY PROVISIONS THAT MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF POLLUTION INTO BILLY'S CREEK.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE COUNTY AND YOUR TIME TONIGHT.

I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

NO QUESTIONS.

GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

AND THE ATTORNEY.

MY NAME IS RICHARD GRANGER.

I LIVE AT 1048 ONE JORDAN PARKWAY IN THE JORDAN ON THE JAMES COMMUNITY.

THE FIRST TIME THERE WAS A MEETING THAT WAS SET FOR HERE, I WAS HERE.

IT WAS POSTPONED.

BUT I HAVE FROM THAT POINT FORWARD, I HAVE BEEN AN ADVOCATE OF SOME KIND OF TURN LANE ACCOMMODATION.

I HAVE BEEN DISAPPOINTED THAT NEITHER THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION NOR THE POLICE HAVE FOCUSED ON THAT BECAUSE OF THE RISK OF ACCIDENTS, ESPECIALLY SOMEBODY COMING SOUTH ACROSS THE BRIDGE AND TRYING TO TURN LEFT INTO THE COUNTRY CLUB.

THAT KIND OF A TURN LANE IS THE GREATEST NEED.

WITH THREE, TWO MAJOR NEIGHBORHOODS AND SOME SMALLER NEIGHBORHOODS AND TWO BUSINESSES NOW, IN, ALONG JORDAN POINT ROAD, THERE IS ONLY ONE OF THOSE ENTITIES THAT HAS TURN LANES AND THAT'S JORDAN ON THE JAMES. WE HAVE LEFT AND RIGHT TURN LANES GO BOTH DIRECTIONS ON BOTH OF THE ENTRANCES TO JORDAN PARKWAY.

AND SO WE ARE TAKING OUR INTEREST IN THE SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT THE FOCUS HAS NOT BEEN ON THE SAFETY.

I WISH SOMETHING COULD BE DONE.

I THINK BEVERLY'S SUGGESTING THAT EVERY TIME THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL USE ON THE PROPERTY THAT YOU REDO THE SURVEY AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE STARTING FROM TODAY, TODAY'S POINT, FOR THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.

I DON'T WANT TO JUST ADD A VOLLEYBALL NET AND THEN SAY, OKAY, NOW THAT WAS ONLY TWO MORE CARS PER DAY.

I THINK THAT SHOULD BE ADDED TO ALL THE OTHER USE ON THE SITE.

AND THAT WOULD MAKE IT SAFER.

I JUST I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MAGIC NUMBER IN TERMS OF CAR ACCIDENTS OR TRUCK ACCIDENTS OR FATALITIES IS.

BUT IF IT DOES COME TO PASS THAT WE START HAVING ACCIDENTS THERE, SOMEBODY SHOULD REMEMBER THAT WE BROUGHT IT UP TONIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION.

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GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

MR. CHAIRMAN AND THE BOARD.

I'M TORSTEN PETERSEN.

I LIVE AT 1712 JORDAN POINT ROAD, NORTH PRINCE GEORGE.

AND I'M ADJACENT TO A LARGE PART OF WHAT WAS THE COUNTRY CLUB PROPERTY AND IS NOW OWNED BY MR. ATALLAH.

AND I'M ALSO A PART OWNER OF SOME PROPERTY BEYOND MY RESIDENCE HOME SITE THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE GOLF COURSE.

SO I LIKE WHAT I SEE GENERALLY HERE ON THE DRAFT ORDINANCE WITH ESPECIALLY WITH THE CHANGES SUGGESTED AND REQUESTED BY THOSE WHO HAVE SPOKEN TONIGHT.

I DO RECOGNIZE THE INGENUITY OF MECHANICS, AND I WOULD RATHER NOT BE, I WOULD RATHER NOT RESTRICT IT TO GAS.

I WOULD THINK LET'S HAVE GAS OR DIESEL POWERED BECAUSE THEY MAKE ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF NOISE.

AND I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE.

I DON'T WANT TO, I SEE A LOT OF NOISE COME IN THAT'S NOT THERE NOW.

OF COURSE THE HIGHWAYS ENOUGH.

BUT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A BIG THING TO SAY GAS OR DIESEL POWERED VEHICLES IN BOTH OF THOSE PLACES ON THE EAST SIDE AND THE WEST SIDE.

AND I FEEL MUCH BETTER ABOUT IT, LARGELY BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ON HERE BUT AN RV PARK.

AND I KNEW AT ONE POINT THAT WAS A REQUEST.

AND SO THAT'S, I'M GLAD ABOUT THAT.

AND SO I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS.

AT ONE POINT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT POSSIBLY A SHOOTING RANGE, BUT NOW I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF, IT'S NOT EXPRESSLY ALLOWED HERE. SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE ONLY CONCERNS I HAD.

ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SHANNA NESHELAAR AND I LIVE AT 811 JORDAN POINT ROAD.

WE LIVE ACROSS THE STREET DIAGONALLY FROM THE HOLY MACKERELS.

MY BIGGEST CONCERN WOULD BE THE TRAFFIC.

THERE ARE A LOT OF 18 WHEELERS THAT GO BY AND THEY GO BY VERY FAST.

MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE TWO DOGS AND I TEND TO WORRY ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LEAVING HOLY MACKEREL AND JUST THE GENERAL COMMUNITY.

SO I THINK THAT, WHETHER IT BE REDUCED SPEED OR A TURNING SIGNAL, I DO KNOW THAT, ESPECIALLY IN THE EVENING TIME, IT CAN BE A BIT MORE DANGEROUS WITH PEOPLE HAVING DRINKS, ETC.

SO MY BIGGEST CONCERN WOULD BE, MY CONCERN FOR ACCIDENTS.

I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE ANY ACCIDENTS FOR US TO INSTALL, WHATEVER IT HAS TO BE.

NO ACCIDENT IS THE BEST POLICY.

NOBODY SHOULD BE HARMED OR INJURED.

SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT, PLEASE.

THANK YOU. HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.

THANK YOU.

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MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. MY NAME IS CHESTER DIXON.

I LIVE AT 10420 JORDAN PARKWAY.

I CAME HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS, TWO RECOMMEND THAT, AND I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT MR. ATALLAH IS TRYING TO BRING BUSINESS ECONOMICS OVER TO JORDAN ON THE JAMES, OR TO THAT AREA.

BUT MY BIGGEST PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IS THE WATER QUALITY THAT'S AT SIMMS LAKE.

I THINK WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE ABOUT 13 YEARS AGO, THE LAKE WAS A VERY, VERY VIBRANT LAKE.

BUT OVER THE YEARS, BECAUSE OF THE RUNOFF, IT'S CREATED PROBLEMS. WHAT I BELIEVE THEY SHOULD DO IS CREATE SOME TYPE OF RETAINING POND OVER THAT LOCATION TO STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING.

AS WELL, I THINK AS A MATTER OF PUBLIC POLICY, THE ISSUE OF THE TRAFFIC IS VERY, VERY IMPERATIVE AS WELL.

IF THERE IS A MAJOR ACCIDENT THAT HAPPENS, YOU CANNOT HAVE ACCESS.

THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD GET SOMEBODY THERE WOULD BE THROUGH AIR MEDEVAC.

SO I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO MAJOR ISSUES THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS.

WHAT ARE YOUR QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

YES, SIR.

I'M NORWOOD WILSON. I'M ADJOINED LANDOWNER BESIDE PETERSENS OVER THERE.

I THINK I HAVE 1500 OR SO LINEAR FEET THAT ABUTS THIS.

I'VE TALKED TO IHAB ABOUT ALL OF IT.

PLEASED WITH WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO.

I THINK HE'S GOT A GREAT IDEA.

I THINK IT'S VERY RARE THAT YOU HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DISTURB SOIL.

PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT WATER QUALITY.

PHOSPHORUS USUALLY IS STUCK TO SOIL PARTICLES.

I DON'T SEE ANYTHING HE'S GOING TO DO THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE EROSION.

THE NITROGEN IS PROBABLY IN THAT SOIL.

IT'S BEEN IN THERE THROUGH THE YEARS, ALTHOUGH I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH NITROGEN JORDAN ON THE JAMES USED.

THERE WASN'T A LOT OF MONEY FOR IT SO, I MEAN JORDAN POINT.

SO I THINK THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO MITIGATE THEMSELVES OVER THE LONG TERM.

SIMMS LAKE HAS ALWAYS HAD PROBLEMS WITH ALGAE.

IT'S VERY SHALLOW.

I CAN REMEMBER THAT EVEN YEARS AGO THAT IT'S SYSTEMIC WITH THAT.

BUT I THINK THE THINGS ARE IN PLACE AND HE AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT SOME THINGS HE COULD PROBABLY DO WITH WITH SOME OF THE CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH THAT GOLF COURSE.

AND HOPEFULLY HE'LL TAKE, BE ABLE TO DO IT AT SOME POINT AND HE'S GOING TO NEED MONEY.

SO I'D LIKE TO SEE HIM GET MORE THAN 12 EVENTS.

THAT'S KIND OF, YOU DON'T WANT TO BE HAMSTRUNG RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE, SO I'D LIKE TO SEE IT APPROVED.

AND AND HE'S PUTTING HIS OWN MONEY IN IT.

YOU CAN SEE HE'S GOT LAWYERS AND REPRESENTATIVES.

THEY'RE NOT CHEAP.

SO IF WE CAN PUT THIS TO BID, IT'D BE GREAT.

AND THEN IF WE CAN GET HIM TO OPEN PARKER'S GROCERY, THEN THE COUNTY WILL BE WHOLE AGAIN.

[LAUGHTER] SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.

3 MINUTES, RIGHT? OKAY. I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT SOMEWHAT SHORT.

MY NAME IS DINO LUNSFORD, A LIFELONG PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY RESIDENT, ENTREPRENEUR, BUSINESS GUY.

AND I HAVE QUITE A BIT OF EXPERIENCE WITH SPECIAL EVENTS AND VENUES SUCH AS THIS.

I GOT TO BECOME FRIENDS WITH MR. ATALLAH SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, AND I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR THE MAN.

HE DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH EVERYTHING THAT HE DOES.

HE HAS MULTIPLE BUSINESS VENTURES.

I'M STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT.

THE GUIDELINES THAT EVERYONE HAS SET FORTH WITH THE HOA AND EVERYBODY ELSE, RESPECTIVELY.

I FEEL LIKE HIS TEAM IS GOING TO FOLLOW AS BEST HE CAN, BUT LIMITING THE MAN TO 12 EVENTS, MYSELF BEING A SPECIAL EVENTS GUY AS WELL, YOU'RE KIND OF CUTTING HIM OFF AT THE AT THE KNEE TRYING TO GENERATE REVENUE.

IF VDOT REQUIRES HIM TO PUT A TURNING LANE IN, GUESS WHO PAYS FOR IT? HE DOES. I DO UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN WITH TRAFFIC PATTERNS.

TRUCKS DO FLY DOWN THAT ROAD.

I THINK THIS MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY BE THE FORUM FOR THAT.

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THAT WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE TO ME WITH REGARD TO THAT.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT.

IF ANYBODY NEEDS ANY FURTHER INSIGHT WITH REGARD TO SPECIAL EVENTS, I'M HERE TO ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS YOU MAY HAVE.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

MY NAME IS PAUL DUNBAR.

I DO NOT LIVE IN THIS IMMEDIATE AREA, BUT I AM A PROPERTY OWNER, TAXPAYER, PRINCE GEORGE, ON PROPERTY AT 11421 PRINCE GEORGE DRIVE.

PARENTS, THE DUNBAR'S, USED TO LIVE DOWN NEAR THE BACK GATE OF FORT LEE.

I'VE BEEN IN PRINCE GEORGE AND BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH PRINCE GEORGE FOR 72 YEARS.

SO I AND MY FAMILY WERE IMMIGRANTS.

MY MOTHER'S FAMILY WERE CZECHOSLOVAKIAN IMMIGRANTS TO THIS COUNTRY.

SO, YOU KNOW, PRINCE GEORGE HOLDS A NEAR AND DEAR PLACE IN MY HEART REGARDLESS.

SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT PRINCE GEORGE.

AND I WOULD SAY THAT ANY TIME ANYTHING GOES ON IN THIS COUNTY, I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GET INVOLVED IN IT BECAUSE THIS IS ALL OUR COUNTY.

WHAT HAPPENS IN ONE PLACE AFFECTS EVERYBODY ULTIMATELY.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S INCUMBENT UPON EVERYBODY TO BECOME INVOLVED IN THESE PROCESSES.

THAT HAVING BEEN SAID AND HAVING A GREAT DEAL OF EXPERIENCE WITH THESE TYPES OF THINGS OVER THE COURSE OF MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER, I WOULD SAY THE TWO ISSUES THAT THEY DEAL WITH HERE, PRIMARILY THE ROAD SITUATION, THE TRAFFIC AND THE WATER QUALITY, THESE ARE THINGS THAT IF YOU DO NOT ADDRESS THEM NOW, NO MATTER HOW WELL INTENTIONED THIS DEVELOPER IS, I DO NOT KNOW THE GENTLEMAN. GIVE HIM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU CAN'T GUARANTEE WHAT HE INTENDS TO DO IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

ECONOMIC SITUATIONS AND CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE, THINGS BEYOND OUR CONTROL OFTEN CHANGE THAT DICTATE MAJOR CHANGES IN WHAT WE INTEND TO DO.

THEREFORE, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT INITIALLY THIS ROAD AS MS. ROGERS ALLUDED TO, WAS A VERY LIMITED ACCESS ROAD.

I HAPPEN TO BE ONE OF THE LAST PEOPLE TO TAKE THE FERRY ACROSS THE JAMES RIVER ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON BEFORE, WHAT IT OPENED IN '66, THE BENJAMIN HARRISON BRIDGE. SO I KNOW HOW ISOLATED IT WAS.

YOU HAD AN AIRPORT, YOU HAD THE COUNTRY CLUB, YOU HAD A FEW SCATTERED HOUSES.

I THINK THE PETERSENS AND A FEW OTHERS LIVED AROUND THERE.

SO IT'S A DIFFERENT BALLGAME ENTIRELY.

AND SEEING THE TRAFFIC AND YOU'VE GOT A SPEED LIMIT OUT HERE, WHICH WE CAN'T ADDRESS TONIGHT.

55 ON THAT ROAD AND 460 IS 50 MILES AN HOUR.

I DON'T SEE THE THE CONNECTIVITY AND THE LOGIC IN THAT.

BUT BE THAT AS IT MAY, IT CAN BE A DANGEROUS SITUATION THERE.

SO YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T, ONCE THIS IS APPROVED, YOU CAN'T GO BACK AND SAY, GEE, WE WISH WE'D DONE THIS OR WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT IF YOU DON'T GET THE ACCOMMODATIONS TONIGHT.

THEN YOU THEN YOU'RE GOING TO BE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL, SO TO SPEAK, ON THIS SITUATION.

I THINK THIS IS A WONDERFUL IDEA THAT THIS PROPERTY NEEDS TO BE UTILIZED.

I FUSSED AT MY COUSIN [INAUDIBLE] WHEN THEY LET THIS PROPERTY GO BY BECAUSE THEY AIN'T MAKING ANY MORE PROPERTY AND THEY AIN'T MAKING ANY MORE RIVERFRONT THAT I KNOW OF. SO THIS WAS A GRAND OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNTY, BUT I APPLAUD HIM FOR DOING THIS.

I DON'T, LIKE I SAID, DON'T KNOW THE GENTLEMAN.

I'M GIVING HIM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.

BUT WE'VE GOT TO BE PRUDENT ABOUT THIS.

WE'VE GOT TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THE POTENTIAL GOOD AND BAD FOR THIS PROJECT CAN BE.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW ANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ADJACENT TO THE GOLF COURSE AND COUNTRY CLUB, WHAT'S GOING TO BE DONE TO EITHER SCREEN OR MITIGATE THE IMPACT ON THEM? I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE MUSIC NOT ONLY FROM HOLY MACKEREL, BUT FROM THE MARINA AND FROM OTHER VENUES, CAN BE QUITE SIGNIFICANT WHEN YOU WHEN YOU DO HAVE OUTDOOR EVENTS.

AND I CAN ATTEST BY TALKING TO TORSTEN'S SISTER AND BROTHER IN LAW, THAT LIVE ACROSS THE STREET,

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BUT THOSE ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN.

THEY'RE NOT A DAILY OCCURRENCE.

WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IS HAVING MAJOR EVENTS, 24 EVENTS.

I RECOGNIZE THE NEED FOR GENERATING REVENUE, BUT THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY CAN HAVE INNUMERABLE OTHER EVENTS, WEDDINGS AND OTHER THINGS THAT GENERATE TRAFFIC AND POTENTIAL NOISE AND DISRUPTION AND SO FORTH EVERY WEEKEND.

I MEAN, AND GOD BLESS THEM IF THEY HAVE A WEDDING THERE EVERY WEEKEND.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT YOU REALLY OUGHT TO, IN THE LONG TERM OR SHORT TERM, LOOK FOR SOME WAYS TO PROTECT THESE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, PROTECT THE SAFETY OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY OF CITIZENS AND PEOPLE TRAVELING ON THAT ROAD, AND TO MITIGATE THAT WATER SITUATION.

AGAIN, I'VE, NOT TO BEAT MY DRUM OR ANYTHING.

I'VE HAD INNUMERABLE EXPERIENCE WITH THE CHESAPEAKE BAY ORDINANCE AND ENFORCING THE ORDINANCE.

SO I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT, KNOW THE POTENTIAL AND, YOU KNOW, THE COST TO FIX WHAT IS GOING ON NOW WITH LAKE SIMMS AND LAKE JORDAN, IN JORDAN POINT IS ASTRONOMICAL AS IT IS TODAY.

IT'S BEYOND AFFORDABILITY FOR THE RESIDENTS AS IT STANDS TODAY.

THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD SAY AND THIS GOES TO THE APPLICANT AND TO TRY AND HELP THEM, I WOULD MAKE A STRONG RECOMMENDATION THAT STAFF CONSIDER ONE THING AND I'M LOOKING AT THAT, AND THAT DRAWS MY ATTENTION TO THAT SIGN WHERE THEY SAY THE SIGN IS RESTRICTED, TO BE RESTRICTED TO THE SAME SIZE AND CONFIGURATION.

LET'S BE PRACTICAL ABOUT IT.

THESE PEOPLE NEED TO GENERATE MONEY.

THE SAME THING IS TRUE WITH HOLY MACKEREL.

THEY NEED SOME LATITUDE IN TERMS OF THEIR SIGNAGE.

SOMETHING REASONABLE, NOT A SCROLLING MESSAGE BOARD, NOTHING FLASHING, DANCING, INFLATABLES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

BUT THEY NEED SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO NOT ONLY HELP THEM, BUT HELP THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, KNOW WHEN IT'S GOING ON, TO PLAN FOR IT SO THEY CAN UTILIZE THE FACILITIES.

I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT HOLY MACKEREL.

BUT YOU CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.

THAT THEY SUBMIT A SIGN PACKAGE THAT STAFF REVIEWS THAT GIVES SOME PROPOSALS TO ALTERNATIVE OR ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE THAT ENHANCES THIS FACILITY, AND IT WILL INCREASE POTENTIALLY INCREASE THE SAFETY FACTOR, PEOPLE RECOGNIZING WHERE IT IS, NOTHING GARISH, NOTHING DISTRACTING, BUT SOMETHING DONE TASTEFULLY.

I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG, TORSTEN MIGHT KNOW, HOW LONG THE SIGN'S BEEN THERE.

BUT THAT'S BEEN A BASICALLY THE ONLY SIGNAGE THAT THEY'VE HAD AT THAT FACILITY.

SO, THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, I HOPE AND PRAY THIS WORKS OUT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T DO IT NOW, YOU CAN'T CHASE THE DOG AFTER HE'S LEFT THE PORCH.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT'S A POOR ANALOGY OR WHATEVER.

BUT I WOULD RESPECTFULLY SAY THAT YOU ALL HAVE A UNENVIABLE JOB, BUT I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO FOR PRINCE GEORGE. I LOVE THIS COUNTY.

AND REGARDLESS OF WHERE I LIVE AND WHERE I AM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE.

I'M GOING MAKE THIS REAL QUICK.

I, MY NAME IS MIKE WYNN.

I'M THE FORMER OWNER OF JORDAN POINT YACHT HAVEN.

OWNED IT FOR 35 YEARS.

THE END OF THE ROAD THERE.

AND JUST A QUICK COUPLE OF THINGS.

YOU KNOW, THAT PROPERTY HAD BEEN ABANDONED ESSENTIALLY SINCE 2014.

AND WE'VE GOT TWO OF THE NICEST NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY ALONG THAT ROAD AS THIS CONTINUED TO GO INTO SHAMBLES.

I MEAN, SO I APPLAUD THE APPLICANT FOR SPENDING A TON OF MONEY TO TRY TO BRING THIS THING BACK ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

HE'S NOT USING ANY COUNTY MONEY INVOLVED IN IT.

AND THE MAN IS LOOKING AT $1,000,000 TO PUT A TURN LANE IN THERE.

EAGLE PRESERVE DOES NOT HAVE ONE.

I KNOW THE TRAFFIC'S HORRIBLE ON THAT ROAD.

SEEN MANY, MANY ACCIDENTS IN MY CAREER DOWN THERE.

BUT I JUST, I HOPE THAT YOU'LL LISTEN TO HIM TONIGHT AND LET HIM PERPETUATE HIS BUSINESS AT LEAST A LITTLE AT A TIME,

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

I'M GOING TO SET A TIMER SO I DON'T GO OVER LIKE SOME OF THE OTHERS.

MY NAME IS WILHELM NESHELAAR.

MY WIFE HAD SPOKE EARLIER.

WE LIVE AT 811 JORDAN POINT ROAD.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT AND WHAT IT COULD DO FOR NOT ONLY THE COMMUNITY BUT ALSO THE COUNTY.

GROWTH IS OBVIOUSLY IMPORTANT, BUT ALSO MEASURED GROWTH WHERE WE'RE NOT EXPANDING BEYOND WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO BE.

AND I THINK FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN AND READ OF THIS PROJECT, IT MEETS THE GOALS OF KEEPING US AS A VERY SMALL BUT GOOD COUNTY.

AS MANY OTHERS HAVE POINTED OUT, I THINK THE ROAD IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ISSUE AND NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING FOR THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COUNTY HAS FOR TRANSPORTATION FORMS, BUT POTENTIALLY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP, LIKE REDUCED SPEED LIMITS OR INCREASED ENFORCEMENT OR THOSE THAT ARE GOING OVER, ESPECIALLY WITH THE INCREASED TRAFFIC NOT ONLY FROM THE RESTAURANT, BUT IF THIS OPENS UP FROM THE VENUE HERE AND EVEN JUST GETTING IN AND OUT OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOUSES CAN BE DIFFICULT SOMETIMES.

SO AGAIN, WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT AND I THINK IT'S GOING ALONG THE RIGHT WAY.

ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CODY COLE, AND I REPRESENT JORDAN POINT MARINA.

PREVIOUSLY JORDAN POINT YACHT HAVEN WITH MIKE HERE.

AND WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING DONE WITH THE GOLF COURSE.

ANYTHING TO BRING PEOPLE TO OUR AREA.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LOVE TO LIVE SOMEWHERE THAT THEY CAN HAVE FUN.

AND OUTDOOR RECREATION DOES THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH COVID.

THE ONLY THING PEOPLE WANTED TO DO WAS GET OUTSIDE AND ENJOY WHAT WE HAVE.

AND THE JAMES RIVER WITH THE COUNTY IS ONE OF THE GREATEST ASSETS THAT WE COULD HAVE ASKED FOR.

AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S UNDERUTILIZED.

YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING REALLY SPECIAL ABOUT BEING AROUND THE WATER AND OUT THERE AND ANYTHING THAT REALLY GETS PEOPLE BREATHING IN SOME NICE, YOU KNOW, MAKES THE COUNTY SOMEWHERE THAT PEOPLE WANT TO COME TO IS AN ACCOMPLISHMENT.

SO WE'RE FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT.

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THERE BEING NO ONE ELSE.

MR. CHAIRMAN, WE NEED TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TIME IF HE WISHES TO SPEAK.

HE SPOKE EARLIER.

HE'S ALLOWED TO SPEAK IN REBUTTAL UNDER OUR BYLAWS.

OKAY. THE APPLICANT WANT TO COME FORWARD, SPEAK AGAIN.

MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

DERRICK JOHNSON WITH TIMMONS GROUP.

WE'RE CIVIL ENGINEERS ON THE TEAM, MR. ATALLAH, AND ALSO LIVING WELL, GREW UP HERE.

A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT CAME UP TONIGHT THAT WE'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT SOME OF THE CITIZENS HAD CONCERNS ABOUT, THE FIRST BEING THE WATER QUALITY OF SIMMS LAKE AND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT.

THERE IS A PORTION, A LARGE PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY THAT DOES DRAIN INTO SIMMS LAKE.

ANOTHER PORTION DRAINS DIRECTLY TO THE RIVER.

YOU KNOW, THE GOLF COURSE IS ALWAYS DRAINED THERE BEFORE JORDAN ON THE JAMES WAS THERE, BEFORE EAGLE PRESERVE WAS THERE.

THAT'S WHERE IT DRAINED, INTO SIMMS LAKE.

IT IS A SHALLOW LAKE.

THERE HAS BEEN ALGAE, AS MR. HENDERSON POINTED OUT, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, 13 YEARS AGO, IT WAS PRETTY GOOD.

GOLF COURSE WAS AN OPERATION.

AND SINCE THE GOLF COURSE HAS CLOSED IN THE LAST TEN YEARS, YOU'VE SEEN SOME PROBLEMS. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S COMING FROM THE GOLF COURSE, BUT THIS APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO USE ECO FRIENDLY FERTILIZER, WHICH WILL HELP THAT SITUATION.

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SO THAT THEN IS ADDRESSED AS PART OF WATER QUALITY CHESAPEAKE BAY.

ALL THOSE REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE BOTH IN THE COUNTY AND THE STATE COME INTO PLAY AT THAT TIME.

SO WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT RUNOFF, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T ADDRESS WHAT'S REALLY GOING OFF SITE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THE GOLF COURSES BEING CAUSED IN THE LAST TEN YEARS THAT THE GOLF COURSE HAS BEEN CLOSED, IF THEY'RE SEEING ALGAE BLOOM FROM FERTILIZER.

THERE MAY BE OTHER FACTORS THAT ARE TAKING THAT TO EFFECT.

BUT ANY DEVELOPMENT WE DO, WE'RE GOING TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CHESAPEAKE BAY, ALSO FOR THE STORMWATER QUALITY REQUIREMENTS FOR NOT JUST QUANTITY BUT QUALITY AND FLOOD CONTROL.

THAT'S ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE.

STAFF TALKED A LITTLE BIT AND THEY PUT IN HERE ABOUT TRAFFIC.

TRAFFIC'S AN ISSUE.

IT'S ALWAYS BEEN AN ISSUE. WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE SPEED LIMIT AND YOU KNOW, I THINK AN APPLICANT WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF ANY REDUCTION OF THE SPEED LIMIT ON THAT ROAD, JUST AS ALL THE CITIZENS SOUND LIKE THEY WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT AS WELL.

WE DON'T CONTROL THAT.

YOU DON'T CONTROL THAT.

THAT GOES THROUGH THE COUNTY AND GOES THROUGH VDOT AND GOES TO THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD TO GET A TRAFFIC REDUCED AND IS KIND OF DIFFICULT TO GET. WHAT WE CAN CONTROL IS THE TRAFFIC THAT'S BEING GENERATED INTO OUR SITE.

WE DID PROVIDE TRAFFIC NUMBERS OF GENERATIONS FOR THE USES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO GO INTO THIS SITE.

THAT WENT TO PAUL HENSON, WHO'S THE VDOT ENGINEER.

WE DON'T HAVE A NEED FOR TURN LANES AT THIS TIME.

HOWEVER, STAFF SAID, HEY, WE WANT YOU TO CHECK IT OUT IN THE COUNTY AND WE WANT A SAFE DEVELOPMENT.

SO THE APPLICANT AGREED TO.

WE'LL DO A TRAFFIC WARRANT ANALYSIS EVEN THOUGH THE VDOT IS NOT REQUIRING AT THIS TIME.

LOOK AT THAT TRAFFIC,AS FAR AS OPPOSING TRAFFIC AND THE TRAFFIC THAT'S BEING GENERATED.

GO THROUGH THE FORMULAS, DETERMINE IF A RIGHT TURN LANE'S NEEDED, A LEFT TURN LANE'S NEEDED, WHAT MAY BE NEEDED.

HE'S, IN THE CONDITIONS THAT STAFF HAS PUT FORWARD, HE'S AGREED TO INSTALL THOSE WITHIN THREE YEARS IF WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO THAT.

THE ONE QUESTION THAT MS. ROGERS HAD OR POINT SHE BROUGHT UP WAS, HEY, THAT'S GREAT, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DECIDE TO DO ANOTHER USE? YOU SHOULD DO A TRAFFIC STUDY AT THAT TIME.

WELL, THOSE USES, AS YOU KNOW FROM THE CONDITIONS, ANY ADDITIONAL USES HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DIRECTOR.

LIKE IF THEY WANT TO ADD A VOLLEYBALL NET.

THAT WAS JUST THE EXAMPLE THEY USED.

AT THAT TIME THE PLANNING DIRECTOR CAN REQUIRE ANOTHER TRAFFIC STUDY OR INTERNALLY MORE ANALYSIS BE DONE.

AND IF THERE'S ANY DEVELOPMENT, LIKE I SAID, MORE THAN 2500 SQUARE FEET, THEN A SITE PLAN IS REQUIRED.

AND AT THAT TIME VDOT CAN REQUIRE THAT.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE CODE THAT DON'T NEED TO BE PUT INTO CONDITIONS THAT COVER WITH RESPECT TO THESE CONCERNS THAT THEY MAY HAVE WITH RESPECT TO WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

THE LAST COMMENT, LET'S SEE, WE HAD A, THE NOISE ORDINANCE WITH THE SCREENING.

ONE OF THE, MR. DUNBAR, I THINK, BROUGHT UP ABOUT POTENTIAL NOISE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO MEET THE NOISE ORDINANCE WITH RESPECT TO WHAT YOU ARE TO GOT IN PLACE.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET AROUND THAT.

OUR TIMES OF OPERATION AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT.

THE DECIBEL LEVEL THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT REQUIRES IN THAT AND CHECKS THAT IS ALL PART OF THAT.

SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET AROUND THAT.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ASK FOR ANYTHING DIFFERENT FROM THAT.

WE WILL FOLLOW THOSE REGULATIONS.

SO I THINK THAT'S ADDRESSED EVERYTHING.

YOU MIGHT GIVE ME A NOD OR SOMETHING IF I MISSED SOMETHING [LAUGHTER], BUT I THINK MR. LAFAYETTE'S GOT SOMETHING HE WANTS TO SHARE.

THANK YOU. I'M SORRY.

ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE, SIR? QUESTIONS? MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

MICHAEL LAFAYETTE, AGAIN, ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANT.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT JUST MAKE SURE THE RECORD IS CLEAR THAT THE STAFF DID NOT RECOMMEND THE ADDITIONAL REVISIONS THAT WERE OFFERED BY MS. RODGERS, AND THE APPLICANT IS OPPOSED TO THOSE ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS THAT WERE OFFERED THIS EVENING DURING HER PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU.

OKAY. I WILL JUST, TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.

THE LAST THING HE SAID, STAFF JUST GOT THAT THOSE THOSE RECOMMENDED CHANGES FROM BEVERLY ROGERS, AFTER SHE GAVE THEM TO YOU.

SO WE HADN'T SEEN THEM UNTIL THEN.

SO WE HAVE NO OPINION ON THOSE.

IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER ABOUT THIS CASE?

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SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO TABLE THE MOTION UNTIL OUR NOVEMBER MEETING.

WE HAVEN'T CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING FIRST.

SO WE NEED TO OFFICIALLY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MR. GRAVES OR ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK? IF NOT, I HEREBY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMISSIONERS.

I'M STILL HERE JUST FOR THE AMENDMENT.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

I'LL GO AHEAD WITH MY. SURE.

NOW, YOU MAY ASK A QUESTION.

WHAT I WAS SAYING IS THAT I DID NOT HEAR ANY STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT.

WHAT I DID HEAR SOME CONCERNS AND SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO MAKE THE PROJECT A BETTER PROJECT.

YOU'RE RIGHT. AND SO I GUESS I COULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE POSTPONE THE VOTE ON THE PROJECT UNTIL OUR NOVEMBER MEETING TO GIVE STAFF TIME ENOUGH TO REVIEW THE SUGGESTIONS THAT WERE MADE BY A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO I THINK MOST OF THEM GAVE YOU COPIES OF WHAT THEY WERE SUGGESTING, PARTICULARLY THE JORDAN ON THE JAMES HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

AND I WAS JUST, I HATE TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON IT AND PASS IT.

I WON'T, I WON'T GO THAT FAR.

I'VE MADE A MOTION. MR. SIMMONS HAS MADE A MOTION TO POSTPONE THE REQUEST SE-22-07 UNTIL THE NOVEMBER MEETING.

IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND.

MOTION AND A SECOND.

CALL ROLL, PLEASE.

CAN I MAKE A CLARIFICATION ABOUT THE DATE THAT IT WOULD BE POSTPONED TO? IS THERE IS THERE ANY BYLAWS REQUIREMENT THAT IT'S A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME? NO. I THINK THEY SAID THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE THE 17TH I BELIEVE.

NOVEMBER 17TH. RIGHT.

SO WE ARE FINAL.

WE'RE WORKING ON THE PACKET FOR THAT NOW SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT GIVES US ENOUGH TIME.

WE'RE ADVERTISING FOR THAT.

WE'RE SENDING THE ADVERTISING OUT TOMORROW.

YOU WON'T HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING TO ADVERTISE.

UNDER POSTPONED ITEMS. THEY WON'T HAVE TO BE ADVERTISED AGAIN.

SO IT'S FINE IF YOU WANT, THE DATE OF NOVEMBER 17TH WOULD WORK FINE.

CALL THE ROLE, PLEASE.

IS THAT 3 TO 2? MOTION PASSED.

IT WILL BE BROUGHT UP NEXT NOVEMBER MEETING.

N EXT ON THE AGENDA IS SPECIAL EXCEPTION SE-22-10, REQUEST OF ROBERT AND TONYA DEMPSEY TO PERMIT A HOME OCCUPATION WITHIN AN ACCESSORY BUILDING WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I'M UP HERE ONCE AGAIN.

OK.

YOU HEARD THE APPLICANT'S NAMES, ROBERT AND TONYA DEMPSEY, TO PERMIT A HOME OCCUPATION WITHIN AN ACCESSORY BUILDING WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT.

AND THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO OPEN A CAR REPAIR SHOP AS A HOME BASED BUSINESS ON A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

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IT'S LOCATED AT 19725 CARSON RURITAN ROAD AND IS IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP 620(0A)00-035-E.

THE PRINCE GEORGE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INDICATES THE PROPERTY'S PLAN FOR AGRICULTURAL USES.

ALL RIGHT. ON THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE A LOCATION MAP AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT IS.

THE PROPERTY IS SITUATED IN BETWEEN ROWANTY COURT AND CARSON RURITAN ROAD.

IT'S ACTUALLY ACCESSED FROM CARSON RURITAN ROAD THROUGH A PRIVATE ACCESS EASEMENT.

ON THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE A TRAIL LEADING FROM CARSON RURITAN ROAD TO THE PROPERTY.

THAT'S WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS.

THIS IS THE ZONING MAP.

IT'S ZONED RESIDENTIAL, AGRICULTURAL.

AND THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE AERIAL VIEW GETTING THE PROPERTIES STILL OUTLINED HERE.

YOU CAN SEE THERE'S AN EXISTING DWELLING.

AND THIS IS FROM 2020 AERIAL VIEWS.

SO THEY HADN'T BUILT THE BUILDING YET.

WE'LL SEE ON THIS SLIDE.

WE'LL SEE ON THE SLIDE IN A MINUTE AN ILLUSTRATION OF WHERE THE BUILDING IS ON THE PROPERTY.

SO THEIR SUMMARY OVER THERE, THEIR REQUEST IS TO RUN AN AUTO MAINTENANCE SHOP.

AND SO THAT'S REPAIR AND OTHER TYPES OF WORK, SUCH AS OIL CHANGES, BRAKES, ENGINE REPAIR, TUNE UPS, LIFT KITS, SUSPENSION WORK.

SO BROAD RANGES, CAR SERVICES, THEIR HOURS OF OPERATION WOULD BE 9 A.M.

TO 6 P.M. MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

MAXIMUM NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS PER DAY IS GOING TO BE ANYWHERE FROM 0 TO 10, DEPENDING ON THE DAY.

THEY HAVE AN EXISTING BUILDING WHICH WOULD BE CONVERTED INTO A SHOP BUILDING FOR THE USE.

IT'S 900 SQUARE FEET.

THEY DON'T WISH TO HAVE ANY SIGNAGE.

THEY DON'T PLAN TO BUILD ANY FENCE.

HOWEVER, PARKING WILL BE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SHOP AND WHERE CARS ARE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD.

AND YOU CAN SEE BACK ON THE AERIAL VIEW THAT IT'S SURROUNDED BY TREES EXCEPT FOR THE DRIVEWAY.

MR. DEMPSEY WILL BE INITIALLY THE ONLY PERSON WORKING IN THE SHOP.

HE MAY EMPLOY ONE PERSON IN THE FUTURE AND THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT WOULD BE ON THE PROPERTY WAITING TO BE WORKED ON OR BEING WORKED ON WOULD BE A TOTAL OF FIVE MAXIMUM, AND THEY DON'T INITIALLY PLAN TO HAVE THAT MANY, BUT THAT'S A HIGHER NUMBER FOR THE FUTURE.

SO THE APPLICANT DID WORK WITH THEIR SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS AND EXPLAIN TO EACH OF THEM WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO AND THEY ATTACHED DOCUMENTATION WITH THE NEIGHBORS CONTACT INFORMATION AND SIGNATURE, SAYING THAT THEY THEY SUPPORTED THIS REQUEST.

SO THIS WOULD FALL UNDER THE HOME OCCUPATION WITHIN AN ACCESSORY BUILDING CATEGORY, WHICH IS PERMITTED BY SPECIAL EXCEPTION.

ALL RIGHT. HERE'S THE SLIDE WITH THE ILLUSTRATION OF THE PROPERTY.

YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY DREW THE SQUARE FOR WHERE THE SHOP BUILDING IS AND A SQUARE FOR WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT THE PARKING.

SO THAT PARKING AREA WOULD BE BLOCKED BY THE BUILDING AND BY TREES FROM ANY SURROUNDING ROADS OR ANYTHING.

SOME STAFF REVIEW COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING OFFICE.

THERE WERE APPROXIMATELY 20 HOME CAR REPAIR TYPE BUSINESSES APPROVED SINCE 1974.

SO THIS IS NOT A NEW TYPE OF HOME OCCUPATION.

THE ADJACENT USES ARE ALL LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND THE EXPECTED IMPACTS ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND ROADWAYS ARE LIMITED TO TRAFFIC, POSSIBLE NOISE DURING WORK HOURS.

IF THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT MAKES NOISE IN SOME PARKED CARS ON THE SITE, WAITING ON WORK OR WAITING TO BE PICKED UP.

THOSE EXPECTED IMPACTS WOULD BE MITIGATED BY THOSE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS AND PERTAINING TO LIMITING THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY, LIMITING THE HOURS OF OPERATION, LIMITING THE CUSTOMER VISITS PER DAY, AND LIMITING THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES TO POSSIBLE ONE IN ADDITION TO THE OWNER.

SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE IS AGRICULTURAL AND THIS IS COMPLIANT WITH THAT. IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE AND IT'S JUST A BUSINESS USE OF THAT HOUSE.

NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS OFFICE SAID A CHANGE OF USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR THE SHOP BUILDING, SO THEY'LL HAVE TO PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION AND BE INSPECTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY MEET REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS HAVING AN ACCESSIBLE PARKING SPACE, FIRE SAFETY MEASURES, AND THEY HAVE TO STORE AND DISPOSE OF WASTE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE. THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT SAID THEY WOULD NEED TO HAVE THEIR WELL AND SEPTIC SYSTEM EVALUATED.

I'M NOT SURE IF THEY EVEN HAVE ANY KIND OF PLUMBING IN THERE.

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AND SO THEY'LL HAVE TO HAVE THEIR SYSTEM EVALUATED AND MAKE SURE IT'S SUFFICIENT TO SERVE THEIR HOUSE AND THIS ADDITIONAL BUILDING.

THE LOW VOLUME COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE WOULD BE REQUIRED.

SO THAT'S A CERTAIN TYPE OF ENTRANCE.

VDOT SAID THAT WHAT THEY HAVE IN PLACE ALREADY SEEMS TO MEET THAT.

THEY DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION.

AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ALSO DISCUSSED THIS APPLICANT.

WE SENT THE APPLICATION TO THEM AND THEY CONTACTED THE APPLICANT AND DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS.

SO THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE DRAFT ORDINANCE ARE FOR THERE NOT TO BE ANY SIGNAGE.

IT LIMITS THE HOURS OF OPERATION TO WEEKDAYS DURING PRETTY NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS THERE.

ADEQUATE PARKING, THEY MUST HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING ON SITE.

WE CAN SEE FROM THE AERIAL VIEW THERE'S ADEQUATE SPACE FOR THAT, AND TO AVOID ANY VISIBILITY OF THE BUSINESS ACTIVITIES FROM THE ROAD.

THEY MAY HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEE.

THERE'S NO OUTSIDE STORAGE MATERIALS FOR THE CAR REPAIR WORK, NO WORK OUTSIDE FOR THE CAR REPAIR CAR SHOP.

MAXIMUM NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS IS A MAXIMUM OF TEN.

AGAIN, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A NORMAL DAY, BUT THAT'S THE MAXIMUM.

MAXIMUM NUMBER OF VEHICLES WAITING ON THE PROPERTY FOR WORK IS FIVE.

MAXIMUM, AGAIN, NOT GOING TO BE THERE EVERY DAY.

THEY WOULD NEED TO COOPERATE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND, OF COURSE, THE PLANNING OFFICE AND ENSURE THERE'S NO INOPERABLE VEHICLES STORED ON THIS PROPERTY.

THE PURPOSE IS FOR THEM TO GET REPAIRED AND GET OFF THE PROPERTY.

SO THEY WOULD NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE, OF COURSE.

SO THE FULL RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS ARE IN THIS STAFF REPORT AND THE DRAFT ORDINANCE.

STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

IT APPEARS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING.

THERE'S NO NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY.

THEY'RE RECOMMENDING CONDITIONS IN THERE TO ENSURE IMPACTS ARE LIMITED IF ANY, AND THE APPLICANT HAS REVIEWED AND SUPPORTS THOSE CONDITIONS.

SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND THE APPLICANT.

THE PPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM DIRECTLY.

WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS BEFORE I OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING? THIS BEING A PUBLIC HEARING, I HEREBY OPEN FOR ANYONE TO COME FORWARD THAT IS FOR OR AGAINST THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION. IF YOU DO COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND LIMIT YOUR, BE TIMED TO 3 MINUTES.

I HEREBY OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THERE BEING NO ONE, I HEREBY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR THEIR APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL.

WANT TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR OR AGAINST.

CHAIRMAN, I MOVE TO FORWARD REQUEST OF SE-22-10 TO THE BOARD WITH RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS OF THE STAFF REPORT AND THE RECOMMENDATION FACT THAT IT DOES THE EXPECTED OFFSITE IMPACTS APPEAR TO BE ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED BY THE CONDITIONS.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. MOTION BY MS. ANDERSON, SECOND BY MR. BROCKWELL. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

I GUESS YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF IT.

YES, SIR.

GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

[01:50:01]

IM YOUR PACKET BEHIND TAB SIX IS THE REQUEST OVERVIEW OF A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT AND THE APPLICANT IS PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY THROUGH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.

AND THIS REQUEST IS TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE MAP CONTAINED WITHIN THAT PLAN TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION FOR A SPECIFIC PROPERTY FROM MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ABOUT 2.18 ACRES AND IS AT 11800 SOUTH CRATER ROAD.

THE PURPOSE OF THE AMENDMENT IS TO UPDATE THE FUTURE LAND USE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY'S EXIT 45 STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH CALLS FOR RESTAURANT OR RETAIL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA AND ON THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY.

AND THIS PROPERTY IS THE FORMER CONTINENTAL MOTEL PROPERTY.

AND THE PHOTO ON YOUR LEFT IS AERIAL VIEW OF THAT PROPERTY WHILE IT WAS IN EXISTENCE AS A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS MOTEL. KELLY RECENTLY PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY AND DEMOLISHED THE MOTEL WITH THE GOAL OF INCREASING THE BUSINESS FOOTPRINT IN THIS AREA AND REMOVING A PROPERTY THAT HAD SEEN BETTER DAYS AS WELL AS TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THIS ENTIRE AREA.

AND THE PHOTO ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPERTY AFTER THE DEMOLITION AND THE PROPERTY WAS CLEANED.

THESE MAPS HERE IS THE FUTURE, THE CURRENT ZONING MAP ON YOUR RED SHOWS THE BUSINESS AREAS ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY, AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.

THE PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN BLUE.

THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THIS PROPERTY IS SHADED IN BROWN, WHICH IS MULTIFAMILY.

I WOULD SUSPECT THAT IS BECAUSE IT ALREADY HAD A A HIGH DENSITY LIVING AIR MOTEL ON THAT SITE VERSUS A BUSINESS OR A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.

FUTURE LAND USE MAP CURRENTLY SHOWS THE BUSINESS BUSINESS AREA THERE, AND THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THAT FROM MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL.

THESE ARE PHOTOS OF THE SURROUNDING LAND USES AND THE FORMER MOTEL STRUCTURE IS ON THE TOP RIGHT OF YOUR SLIDE.

ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROPERTY IS THE NEW DEVELOPMENT WITH A GAS STATION AND THE RESTAURANTS AND THEN THE ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY ACROSS CLEARY ROAD IS THE NANNY'S RESTAURANT.

FURTHER DOWN FROM NANNY'S ARE THE HOTELS AND THE OTHER RESTAURANTS.

THESE ARE THE COMMENTS THAT WERE DEVELOPED IN THE REVIEW OF THIS REQUEST OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE ZONING MAP.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS GENERAL BUSINESS TO THE SOUTH AND EAST IN LIMITED RESIDENTIAL AREAS TO THE NORTH AND TO THE WEST. THIS CHANGE OF FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY, WHICH HAS BEEN COMMERCIAL IN NATURE.

SURROUNDING LAND USES AGAIN INCLUDE THE TRAVEL CENTER, THE RESTAURANT, A CONVENIENCE STORE, A GASOLINE DIESEL FUELING STATION, AS WELL AS A NEW DOLLAR GENERAL AND OF COURSE NANNY'S RESTAURANT.

THE PROPOSED USE OF THE PROPERTY FOR EITHER RETAIL STORE OR RESTAURANT WOULD BE CONSISTENT AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL LAND USES, AND THE REQUEST IS SUPPORTED BY THE COUNTY'S EXIT 45 STRATEGIC PLAN.

JUST TO OVERVIEW FOR YOU, THE NOTICES THAT WERE SENT OUT.

ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WERE MAILED PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WE RAN THE REQUIRED ADS.

THE APPLICANT HAS REVIEWED A COPY OF THE STAFF REPORT THAT'S CONTAINED IN YOUR PACKET TONIGHT.

NO COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY WERE RECEIVED PRIOR TO FINALIZING YOUR STAFF REPORT THAT YOU HAVE.

HOWEVER, WE DID GIVE A CITIZEN INQUIRY CONCERNING THE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

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AND THE CITIZEN DID SEEM TO BE SATISFIED WITH THAT ANSWER.

THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY BE AMENDED FROM RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY TO COMMERCIAL.

AND LISTED FOR YOU THERE AND IN YOUR PACKET, OTHER CONSIDERATIONS FOR MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION TO YOU.

HISTORICALLY, THE SITE HAS BEEN USED COMMERCIALLY.

THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN THE VICINITY HAS BEEN COMMERCIAL, AND THE PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT WOULD FACILITATE ACHIEVEMENT OF THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN.

AT THIS POINT, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THE CPA.

AND ALSO MR. JABRI WITH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT IS HERE AND AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AS WELL.

IS THERE ANY POTENTIAL BUSINESS THAT'S WAITING TO GO IN THERE WITH, IF THIS IS APPROVED? I'M NOT AWARE, BUT MR. JABRI MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT.

GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS AND MR. WHITTEN. AT THIS TIME WE DO NOT HAVE ANY POTENTIAL ON PROSPECTS FOR THE SITE.

YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE.

CORRECT. WE WANT TO, OF COURSE, CHANGE A FUTURE LAND USE AND FIT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND REZONE IT TO BUSINESS TO SUIT THE HOTELS AND OTHER BUSINESSES AT THE EXIT.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR.

THANK YOU. MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE COMMISSION AS WE DISCUSSED AT THE WORK SESSION, THERE IS A COMPANION CASE, THE REZONING, 2B1. IF THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT IS APPROVED, THEN WE WOULD PROCEED WITH THE REZONING CASE NEXT.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING? CORRECT.

I HEREBY OPEN THE PUBLIC OPINION PERIOD FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

CPA-22-02. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS AMENDMENT, COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND LIMIT YOUR TALK TIME TO 3 MINUTES.

ANYBODY LEFT.

CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

I MOVE TO FORWARD REQUEST CPA-22-02 TO THE BOARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, AS WELL AS THE THREE REASONS FOR RECOMMENDING APPROVAL THAT WAS PRESENTED BY STAFF.

SECOND. A MOTION BY MR. SIMMONS, SECOND BY MS. ELDER. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS REZONING RZ-22-03.

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MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

MR. WHITTEN. THIS IS THE COMPANION CASE.

THE REZONING REQUEST OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PARCEL FROM R-1 TO B-1.

AGAIN, THIS IS THE SAME PARCEL.

IT HAS BEEN R-1 WITH A MOTEL ON IT.

HOWEVER, IT WAS A NON-CONFORMING USE BECAUSE THE ZONING WAS R-1.

AGAIN THE PHOTOS OF THE PROPERTY.

THE APPLICANT PURCHASED THE SITE IN JULY OF THIS YEAR AND DID DEMOLISH THE PARCEL.

THEY WISH TO ATTRACT A RESTAURANT OR RETAIL BUSINESS TO THIS LOCATION.

THIS AGAIN SHOWS THE SURROUNDING BUSINESSES AS WELL AS THE LAND USE MAP.

THE DEPARTMENT REVIEW COMMENT IS THAT IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING SURROUNDING LAND USES AND COMPATIBILITY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

WE EVALUATED WHETHER EITHER OF THE EXISTING ENTRANCES WILL BE SUITABLE.

ONCE A BUSINESS IS DETERMINED, THEY HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE REZONING APPLICATION AND THE SITE WILL BE REVIEWED AT SITE PLAN. UTILITIES INDICATED THAT BASED ON A FUTURE USER, PUBLIC WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEMS WILL BE REQUIRED.

PERMITTING AND INSPECTIONS.

JUST NOTING THEIR COMMENTS OF WHAT WOULD REQUIRE PERMITS AND ALSO THOSE ITEMS WOULD BE REVIEWED ONCE A PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS IS IDENTIFIED.

WE DID THE MAILINGS, THE ADS.

THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO REVIEWED A COPY.

NO COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY WERE RECEIVED PRIOR TO FINALIZING YOUR PACKET.

AND AGAIN, WE DID HAVE THE ONE CITIZEN INQUIRY CONCERNING THE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS.

STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON THE FOLLOWING CONSIDERATIONS.

AND THEY'RE LISTED THERE FOR YOU AND IN YOUR PACKET.

VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.

HISTORICALLY, THIS SITE HAS BEEN USED COMMERCIALLY.

IT WAS A NON-CONFORMING USE ON THE R ZONING.

A SITE PLAN WILL BE REQUIRED AT THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL ADDRESS E AND S STORMWATER BUFFERING AND LANDSCAPING. NO NEGATIVE FEEDBACK HAS BEEN RECEIVED AND THE PROPOSED REZONING WOULD FACILITATE THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE NEW EXIT 45 STRATEGIC PLAN.

WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THIS PART OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.

AND AGAIN, THEY ARE HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF HIM.

ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. THIS BEING A PUBLIC HEARING, I HEREBY OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE REZONING, RZ-22-03. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS REZONING, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND LIMIT YOUR TALKING TIME TO 3 MINUTES.

I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THERE BEING NO ONE, I HEREBY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE TO FORWARD THE REQUEST FOR RZ-22-03 TO THE BOARD WITH RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

FOR THE REASONS BEING, IT DOES CONFORM WITH CURRENT SURROUNDING AREAS IN THE DISTRICT.

IT IS EXPECTED TO BENEFIT GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY AND IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY'S EXIT 45 STRATEGIC PLAN.

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MOTION BY MS. ANDERSON.

SECOND BY MR. BROCKWELL.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

NEXT IS OUR COMMUNICATIONS.

[COMMUNICATIONS]

A MEETING WAS CANCELED FOR LAST MONTH, AND IT WILL BE CANCELED FOR NOVEMBER.

THE ACTIONS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

YOU HAVE A RECAP ON TAB EIGHT.

AND THAT RECAP IS FROM THE OCTOBER 11TH MEETING.

THERE WEREN'T ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS AT THAT MEETING, BUT THEY DID, THEY ALSO FILLED A SPOT ON THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS AND REAPPOINTED CAROL WOODWARD FOR THE APPEALS.

BUT THERE WEREN'T ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS DURING THAT.

THE MEETING ON TUESDAY BY THE BOARD, THERE WERE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.

THE FIRST ONE WAS TO, JULIE, WHAT WAS THAT FIRST MEETING? MAT. MAT DEVELOPMENTS.

THAT WAS INDUSTRIAL REZONING ON CORPORATE ROAD THAT WAS APPROVED AND THE SPECIAL EXEMPTION REQUEST THAT OF THE GRAND SLAM THAT WAS FORWARDED WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL.

THEY DENIED THAT.

SO THOSE WERE THE OUTCOMES OF THOSE TWO CASES.

AND WHAT ELSE DID WE HAVE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT? ALL RIGHT. UPCOMING CASES FOR NOVEMBER.

THERE'S FIVE LISTED THERE.

HARVEST ROAD WON'T BE COMING FORWARD YET.

THE ROSS SUBDIVISION WAIVER WILL COME FORWARD.

IT'S A MINOR SUBDIVISION REQUEST FOR ONE LOT AND WITHOUT HAVING TO CONNECT TO PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER.

RUFFIN HOME DAYCARE.

THAT'S A HOME CHILDCARE FOR, I THINK, TEN CHILDREN AT A HOUSE.

THAT'S COMING FORWARD.

THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT UPDATE FOR FLOODPLAIN UPDATES, THAT'S COMING FORWARD.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONE THERE IS NOT PROCEEDING AT THIS TIME.

POSSIBLY IN THE FUTURE ONCE IT'S BEEN EXAMINED.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE ONE THAT YOU POSTPONED FOR NEXT MONTH, THAT'S COMING FORWARD, TOO.

SO, BUT NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO THAT'S WHAT TO LOOK FORWARD TO FOR NOVEMBER, WHICH IS, THAT MEETING'S ONLY HALF A MONTH AWAY RATHER THAN ALMOST A FULL MONTH, AS USUAL.

SO IT'S COMING PRETTY QUICKLY.

THAT'S EVERYTHING WE HAD FOR COMMUNICATIONS.

DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF WHILE YOU HAVE US IN FRONT OF YOU.

AND THE CODE CHANGE AS WELL.

OH YEAH, WE WILL BRING ANOTHER ORDINANCE AMENDMENT FORWARD.

IT'S REALLY JUST CLARIFICATION RELATED TO PRIVATE ANIMAL BOARDING PLACES THAT THERE'S LITTLE INCONSISTENCIES IN THE ORDINANCE AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIX THAT.

SO THAT WILL COME FORWARD NEXT MONTH.

IT'S WHEN PEOPLE HAVE FOUR OR MORE DOGS ON A PROPERTY.

IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT.

I SO MOVE.

MOTION MS. ELDER. SECOND, MR. SIMMONS. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.