Oct 25, 2022 Regular Meeting

[CALL TO ORDER]

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GOOD EVENING. IT'S OCTOBER THE 25TH, 2022.

IT IS 6:00 AND I CALL TO ORDER THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY, VIRGINIA.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

THANK YOU. THIS IS OUR WORK SESSION, AND OUR FIRST PRESENTATION IS A PUBLIC SAFETY SALARY DISCUSSION.

[WORK SESSION]

AND I WANT TO JUMP RIGHT IN BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GROUND TO COVER AND QUITE FRANKLY, BE EASY FOR ME TO GET LOST IN THIS PRESENTATION BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF IMPORTANT PARTS.

AND THIS WHOLE TOPIC IS THERE ARE ONE OF TWO BROAD LEVEL STRATEGIC THEMES THAT WE SEE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT IN OUR VIEW, WE NEED TO ADDRESS AND SET THE DEPARTMENT UP FOR SUCCESS LONG AFTER WE'RE GONE.

SO IF YOU WOULD JUST I'M GOING TO TRY TO SET A LITTLE CONTEXT HERE.

AND OF COURSE, WE'RE HERE FOR YOU, WHATEVER THE BOARD'S PLEASURE IS.

BUT I THINK IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, THEY MAY BE ANSWERED AS THE PRESENTATION MOVES FORWARD BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GROUND TO COVER.

BUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO ASK THEM, PLEASE DO IT ANY TIME.

BUT I THINK THEY POSSIBLY COULD BE ANSWERED AS WE PROGRESS THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.

THIS PRESENTATION THE PAGE NUMBER IS OUR NUMBER SO WE CAN RELATE TO GO BACK TO A CERTAIN PAGE? POSSIBLY. IF NOT, WE'VE GOT A TOPIC.

WE'LL TRY TO STAY ON POINT RIGHT THERE.

THE FIRST TWO SLIDES, I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT JUST TO LAY SOME CONTEXT AND TO START THAT.

THIS WAS JUST TODAY, JUST A COUPLE OF HOURS AGO, I WAS READING AN ARTICLE ABOUT ONE OF OUR LARGER VIRGINIA POLICE DEPARTMENTS.

THIS IS A CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT'S NOT PRINCE GEORGE, BUT I THINK IT DOES LAY SOME CONTEXT OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE MAJOR, THE CAPTAIN AND I WERE JUST TALKING, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE THREE OF US, WE'VE GOT 85 YEARS IN THIS BUSINESS AND WE'VE BEEN AROUND A LITTLE WHILE AND WE SEE THINGS AND AND WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW IS A UNIQUE MOMENT IN HISTORY.

AND AS CAPTAIN TABER SAID, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WRITE OUR CHAPTER IN THE PRINCE GEORGE HISTORY BOOK IS BEING SUCCESSFUL AND SET UP FOR THE FUTURE AND FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO ENJOY.

SO THIS IS WE'RE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT, ABOUT THIS SUBJECT MATTER.

BUT THIS PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT WAS TALKING ABOUT VACANCIES AND CHIEF WAS TALKING ABOUT WHY THESE VACANCIES EXIST.

BUT IN 2019, THIS AGENCY THAT I WAS READING AN ARTICLE ABOUT WAS EXPERIENCING 47 VACANCIES.

IN 2020 THAT DEPARTMENT HAD 117 VACANCIES.

IN 2021, 162 VACANCIES.

TO DATE, RIGHT NOW, 227 VACANCIES, WITH ANOTHER 77 EXPECTED DEPARTURES BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

THAT'S 40% OF THIS DEPARTMENT'S WORKFORCE.

AND I THINK THAT IS REFLECTIVE OF A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS, NOT JUST LOCALLY OR IN THE STATE, BUT NATIONALLY.

AND, YOU KNOW, SOME COMMUNITIES AND DEPARTMENTS ARE CHALLENGED MORE THAN OTHERS, BOTH WITH STAFFING AND CRIME.

AND THERE'S CERTAINLY A NEXUS THERE.

THAT'S NOT PRINCE GEORGE, BUT WE'LL GET INTO PRINCE GEORGE IN JUST A MINUTE.

BUT THERE ARE SOME LOCALITIES AND DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE FULLY STAFFED RIGHT NOW.

BUT I WOULD SAY ALL OF THEM ARE HAVING TO COMMUNITIES, GOVERNMENTS, POLICE DEPARTMENTS ARE HAVING TO NAVIGATE THROUGH CHANGE, TO STAY SUCCESSFUL. AND THIS DEPARTMENT, AS MANY OTHERS, ALONG WITH ALL THOSE VACANCIES, AND CRIME IS ON THE INCREASE.

AND THAT IS TRUE IN PRINCE GEORGE AS WELL.

AND AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO PAINT A PICTURE THAT WE'RE IMPLODING, WE ARE NOT.

BUT I WILL TELL YOU, IN MY OPINION, AND I THINK THE OPINION OF STAFF, MAYBE THIS IS A TERRIBLE ANALOGY, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT A TACHOMETER ON A VEHICLE OR A BOAT OR WHATEVER, I THINK SOME AGENCIES, IN MY OPINION, ARE IN THE RED.

THAT MEANS ENGINES GETTING READY TO BLOW UP.

I THINK WE'RE IN THE YELLOW.

WE'RE EXPERIENCING SOME STRESS WITHIN OUR STAFF AND WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THE THINGS WE WOULD LIKE TO ACCOMPLISH BECAUSE OF THE CHALLENGES.

SO JUST WE'LL JUST HANG ON.

I GUESS I'VE GOT THE FLICKER.

SO WHY? I DON'T KNOW WHY.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPINIONS OUT THERE.

WHY ARE WE WHERE WE'RE AT? AND YOU ALL MAY HAVE YOUR OPINIONS.

SOME OF MINE INCLUDE THE AFTERMATH OF THE 2020 RIOTS AND PROTESTS AND PUBLIC SENTIMENT DERIVED FROM THAT AND BEFORE POLITICS, MEDIA AND THE LIST COULD GO ON.

BUT AND THAT'S COUPLED WITH RETIREMENTS, WHICH WE'VE RESEARCHED IN THE PAST, TALKED TO YOU ABOUT IN THE PAST.

AND WE'VE GOT ANOTHER SLIDE ON THAT, TOO.

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SO MANY COMMUNITIES ARE FACING DRASTIC POLICE STAFFING CHALLENGES COUPLED WITH SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN CRIME.

AND SOME COMMUNITIES, ONE COULD REASONABLY ARGUE ARE IN A CRISIS.

AND AGAIN, SOME AGENCIES, SOME AROUND HERE ARE FULLY STAFFED AND ARE MOVING FORWARD.

AND AGAIN, I DO NOT BELIEVE WE'RE IN A CRISIS, BUT THERE IS CAUSE FOR CONCERN.

AND THAT'S WHY IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, IN MY VIEW.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE GOT OFF THE FIRST SLIDE.

LET ME JUST HIT ON I MENTIONED, JUST MORE CONTEXT.

CRIME, WE'RE NOT ECO/TDOS THIS YEAR TO DATE, WE HAVE SPENT ROUGHLY 800 MAN HOURS ON TDOS/ECOS.

LAST YEAR, I WANT TO SAY IT WAS 525 HOURS WE SPENT VIOLENT CRIME HAS BEEN UP THE LAST THREE YEARS.

NOT TREMENDOUS, BUT IN 2020, IT'S ON THE RISE.

AND WE COMPARE WHERE WE'RE AT THIS YEAR COMPARED TO THE LAST AND THE FIVE YEAR AVERAGE WERE UP.

PROPERTY CRIME SIGNIFICANTLY UP IN 2022 OVERDOSES.

WE'VE HAD FIVE FATAL THIS YEAR, THREE WAITING TOXICOLOGY.

WE HAD EIGHT LAST YEAR.

B OFFENSES WHICH ARE LESS SERIOUS DUIS, TRESPASSING, DISORDERLY LIQUOR LAWS 2022, WE'RE UP.

THIS ISN'T ON A SLIDE, MR. CARMICHAEL. I'M STILL IN THE CONTEXT PART.

I'LL GET TO THE SLIDE IN JUST A SECOND.

FATAL CRASHES THIS YEAR.

WE'VE HAD SEVEN SO FAR, AND THAT'S A TREND NATIONALLY.

I THINK IN VIRGINIA, THE FIRST QUARTER OF THIS YEAR, THEY WERE UP 70 SOME PERCENT FATAL CRASHES.

SO THIS ISN'T PRINCE GEORGE ISN'T A LITTLE MICRO.

THIS IS, A LOT OF THE STUFF IS AT THE STATE AND NATIONAL LEVEL AS WELL, BUT WE'RE FOCUSED ON PRINCE GEORGE.

SO THAT WE COULD DO A WHOLE PRESENTATION ON CRIME AND STATS AND POPULATION AND ALL THAT.

BUT THAT'S JUST A QUICK SNIPPET.

IT IS ON THE RISE.

AND SO AS OUR POPULATION AND OTHER THINGS.

ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS THE FIRST SLIDE, KIND OF AN OPENING STATEMENT, IF YOU WILL, THE TWO BIG PICTURE PRIORITIES FOR YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.

IT IS THROUGH OUR JOB, THAT STRATEGIC PLANNING AND LOOKING AT THE DEPARTMENT, LOOKING AT WHAT WE NEED TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND ALL THE TRICKLE DOWN THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN.

THE TWO BIG PRIORITIES, TO NO SURPRISE, ARE EFFECTIVE HIRING AND RETENTION, AND I DON'T THINK YOU CAN SEPARATE THE TWO.

HIRING AND RETENTION ARE REALLY INTERTWINED, SO YOU REALLY CAN'T SEPARATE THEM AND ADDING ADDITIONAL CAPACITY TO BEST SERVE OUR COMMUNITY.

MOST OF OUR SERVICE RELATED STRESS OR SHORTCOMINGS ARE TIED BACK TO THOSE TWO PRIORITIES.

IF WE PROGRESS IN THESE TWO AREAS, OUR EFFECTIVENESS WITH OUR PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES WILL RISE.

IF WE DO NOT PROGRESS, AT SOME POINT, WE CAN EXPECT FAILURE.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO FURTHER COMMUNICATIONS REGARDING EFFICIENCY AND STAFFING THE CAPACITY.

THE LATTER. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT TODAY, BUT YOU HAVE HIRED A CONSULTANT TO LOOK AT THAT BIG PRIORITY WE HAVE AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT PROCESS AS WELL.

BECAUSE WHY? FRANKLY, I THINK WHEN WE'RE FULLY STAFFED, WE'RE PRETTY LEAN RIGHT NOW.

SO MOVING FORWARD, I HAVE TO MENTION THAT IS WHETHER I'M HERE OR NOT A PRIORITY THAT WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO, AND THAT IS ADDITIONAL CAPACITY FROM WHAT WE HAVE NOW. SO, AGAIN, WE'RE GRACIOUSLY HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT HIRING AND RETENTION, TO STAY SOMEWHAT FOCUSED.

SO IN SHORT, I GUESS IN BLUNTLY, OUR SHORTCOMINGS WITH HIRING RETENTION, IN OUR VIEW, ARE LACK OF COMPETITIVE SALARIES.

THIS IS OUR PROBLEM WE'LL BE ASKING YOUR HELP WITH TO ADDRESS.

AND WE DON'T HAVE A SHORT MEMORY.

WE DO KNOW THAT OUR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS SUPPORTED US IN THE PAST AND PROGRESSED PAY WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS WHAT I'M SPEAKING OF IS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY AS WELL.

BUT I'M ALSO OF THE OPINION THAT WE STILL HAVE WORK TO DO.

AND AGAIN, OUR TEAM APPRECIATES THE BOARD'S EFFORTS AND WE APPRECIATE OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, MISS HURT.

OUR HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR FOR THE WORK THEY PUT INTO THIS AS WELL.

AND THEY'LL BE PRESENTING AFTER AFTER I FINISH.

ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S GET THAT SLOT RIGHT THERE.

SO. CURRENT CHALLENGES, INCREASED POLICE OFFICER VACANCY RATE, KIND OF LIKE I WAS JUST DESCRIBING WITH THE DEPARTMENT I READ THE ARTICLE ON COUPLED WITH AND THAT'S HERE IN PRINCE GEORGE, COUPLED WITH UNPRECEDENTED REGIONAL COMPETITION FOR SPARSELY AVAILABLE QUALITY APPLICANTS.

THERE IS A PROBLEM.

PD IS CURRENTLY DELIVERING OPERATIONAL SERVICES MINUS TEN POLICE OFFICERS.

TEN OUT OF 60, WE'RE 17% OF OUR ALLOTTED SWORN STAFFING.

THE ONES WE'RE REALLY HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT AT FIVE VACANT POSITIONS.

THAT'S WHAT WE CURRENTLY THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE, COUNTING A RETIREMENT DECEMBER 1ST.

AND THAT OFFICER IS AN AWFUL LOT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN SO IT'S FIVE VACANT AND WHEN I TYPED THIS IT WAS FIVE IT CHANGES BY THE WEEK.

COUPLED WITH THAT IS STUFF WE DEAL WITH ANYWAYS.

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SO NOT COUNTING THE SICKNESSES, VACATIONS AND ALL THE NORMAL STUFF, WE'RE MINUS TEN POLICE OFFICERS IN OUR COMPLEMENT OF 60 SWORN.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FEELING.

AND THE FIVE VACANT POSITIONS ARE WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT AND FILLING THOSE WITH QUALITY FOLKS.

AND THAT ONE VETERAN OFFICER JUST TENDERED HIS TWO WEEKS NOTICE.

HIS LAST DAY WORKING IN PRINCE GEORGE WAS TODAY, AND HE TOOK A POSITION WITH ANOTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.

OUR CHALLENGES CONTINUED.

FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS, WE'VE HIRED AN AVERAGE OF SEVEN POLICE OFFICERS.

THE VACANT POSITIONS ARE CREATED DUE TO RETIREMENTS OFFICERS LEAVING FOR PRIVATE SECTORS.

OFFICERS TRANSFERRING TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS, PERSONNEL ISSUES, ET CETERA.

SO THEY LEAVE FOR A MYRIAD OF REASONS.

WE DON'T HAVE A MASS EXODUS FOR ONE SPECIFIC REASON, BUT THE FOCUS AGAIN IS ON THE HIRING PART, THE ATTRITION AND EVERYTHING ELSE. THIS YEAR WE'RE ON TRACK TO FILL 14 VACANT POSITIONS, SO AN AVERAGE OF 7 TO 14.

SO WE'VE DOUBLED, DOUBLED OUR VACANCY RATE.

AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE EXPRESSED TO THE BOARD BEFORE, CURRENTLY WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY TEN OFFICERS.

WE'RE 17% OF OUR WORKFORCE COMPLEMENT OF RETIREMENT AGE.

THAT'S THE GEN-XERS PRIMARILY.

AND AGAIN, ONE OF THESE OFFICERS IS RETIRING EFFECTIVE DECEMBER 1.

SO THOSE ARE THINGS YOU CAN PREDICT.

AND THE LAST BULLET THERE IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME, AND I WANT TO KIND OF EXPRESS TO YOU WHY IT IS.

WE HAVE CURRENT STAFFING CONCERNS, BUT WE ALSO MUST BE FORWARD THINKING TO POSITION THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH A HEALTHY, QUALITY, EXPERIENCED WORK FORCE TO FULFILL A MULTITUDE OF VITAL ROLES TO BEST SERVE OUR COMMUNITY.

THE DECISIONS WERE THAT 14 TODAY IN 2022, THAT'S A LOT OF POSITIONS TO FILL, AND THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO STAY HIGH FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS, I PREDICT.

AND UNLIKE US, I DON'T.

I'M NOT GOING TO BE HERE TWO OR THREE DECADES FROM NOW, AND NEITHER ARE THESE TWO.

BUT THAT ONES WE'RE HIRING TODAY ARE LIKELY TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY FOR ONE, TWO OR THREE DECADES MOVING FORWARD.

SO THESE DECISIONS THAT WE'RE MAKING TODAY AND THE QUALITY OF OFFICER WE BRING INTO OUR TEAM TODAY, NOT JUST AFFECTS US TODAY, BUT IT AFFECTS THIS COMMUNITY AND THE SERVICE OF THIS COMMUNITY FOR ONE, TWO OR THREE DECADES TO GO.

AND I THINK IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT NOT JUST FILLING POSITIONS WITH JUST SATISFACTORY CANDIDATES, BUT WE TRY TO ATTRACT QUALITY CANDIDATES THAT ARE GOING TO DO GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND SERVE OUR COMMUNITY THE WAY OUR COMMUNITY DESERVES TO BE SERVED.

SO I HOPE I MADE SENSE ON THAT LAST.

IMPACTS FROM HIRING AND RETENTION.

THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT CURRENTLY.

LAST CAPACITY FOR CRITICAL SERVICE DELIVERY TO OUR COMMUNITY.

REMEMBER, IN MY VIEW, WE'RE ALREADY LEAN AT FULL STAFFING.

DELAYED RESPONSE TO CALLS FOR SERVICE.

WE'RE EXPERIENCING THAT NOW.

TRIAGING, CALLS FOR SERVICE, SOME OF THEM HAVE TO WAIT.

ROUTINELY, POLICE IN OUR COUNTY RIGHT NOW WITH MINIMUM UNIFORMED PATROL STAFFING FIVE OFFICERS.

IN THIS COUNTY AND THAT'S REGULAR NOW AND THAT COMES WITH AND THIS IS JUST SIMPLE METRICS DIMINISH THE ABILITY FOR PROACTIVE INITIATIVES WHEN YOU HAVE STAFFING ISSUES, YOU TURN REACTIVE AND YOUR WORKFORCE GETS STRESSED WITH OVERTIME SHIFT COVERAGE CAUGHT ALL THESE OTHER THINGS AND YOU'RE PROACTIVE CAPACITY DIMINISHES.

SO AGAIN, OUR HIRING PRACTICES AFFECT THE QUALITY OF COMMUNITY SERVICE DELIVERY WELL INTO THE FUTURE, AND OFFICERS WE HIRE TODAY MAY SERVE FOR DECADES TO COME.

SO WE WANT TO WANT TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN TOP NOTCH TALENT.

AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, A DIMINISHING, DIMINISHED STAFFING LEADS TO A STRESS WORKFORCE, AND THAT CAN LEAD TO THE VORTEX.

IT'S JUST THE DOMINO EFFECT.

ONCE YOU'RE STAFFED, IT'S ALMOST CONTAGIOUS, AND IT CAN BE WHERE YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEE TURNOVER.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT IMPLODING, BUT IT'S MY JOB TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T IMPLODE.

A PROPOSED SOLUTION FOR HIRING AND RETENTION CHALLENGES INCREASE OUR STARTING SALARY FROM 47 TO 50, WHICH IS WHERE IT IS TODAY TO 53,000. THAT'S OUR PROPOSED SOLUTION THAT WE'RE WE'RE PROPOSING TO YOU, THE BOARD, AND WE'VE GOT MORE MORE AS TO WHY WHETHER IT IS WHY THIS INCREASE IN STARTING SALARY ALONG WITH AFFECTING THE HIRING RANGE FORWARD, WILL ENABLE YOUR JOB TO BE COMPETITIVE IN THE MARKET.

THIS ACTION WILL RESULT IN MORE SUCCESS WITH HIRING AND RETENTION OF QUALITY POLICE OFFICERS NOW AND INTO THE FUTURE.

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AND I'VE GOT MAJOR YOUNG HERE WHO MAY HAVE FEW WORDS IN THE END OF THIS PRESENTATION, A RECURRING THEME WE HAVE DURING THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS AND TALKING TO OUR RECRUITS OR POTENTIAL RECRUITS, THOSE WE INTERVIEW AND THOSE IN TRAINING AND ELSEWHERE.

AND JUST IN OUR PROFESSION, OUR NETWORKING.

THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD, REALLY QUALITY PEOPLE THAT WANT TO WORK IN PRINCE GEORGE.

SOME OF THEM HAVE HAD TO TURN US DOWN BECAUSE THEY SIMPLY CAN'T AFFORD TO COME HERE.

AND THERE'S THE REGIONAL MARKET AND THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS WE CAN PUT UP THERE I THINK IS THE MAJOR WOULD SAY MOST IF NOT ALL OF THOSE UP THERE. WE EITHER HIRED FROM OR LOST TO OR HAD SOME KIND OF HIRING INVOLVEMENT WITH AND THERE MAY BE OTHERS AND WE COULD GET INTO COMPARISONS AND WE JUST GOT TO BE CAREFUL TO COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES.

BUT THERE IS A LIST OF 20 DEPARTMENTS, 21 COUNT IN PRINCE GEORGE AND MRS. HURT, AND WE APPRECIATE IT.

SHE PUT THIS SLIDE TOGETHER AND WE'RE BORROWING AND SHE MAY HAVE IN HER PRESENTATION AS WELL.

BUT THIS SHOWS YOU WHERE THE START SHE MAY SPEAK MORE TO THE MID-GRADE AND MAX AND THE RANGE SPREAD AND ALL THAT.

BUT MY FOCUS MY FOCUS IS ON THE WHOLE PAY PLAN.

BUT THE STARTING SALARY, YOU CAN SEE WHERE PRINCE GEORGE IS AT ON THAT LIST.

AND THE AVERAGE OF ALL THOSE 20 AGENCIES IS RIGHT AT 53,000.

SO RIGHT NOW WE ARE NOT COMPETITIVE.

EXPECTED RESULTS.

IF WE CAN GET OUR STARTING SALARY AND PROGRESSIONS FORWARD, WE BELIEVE WE'LL HAVE EFFECTIVE HIRING OF TALENTED EMPLOYEES, MORE EFFECTIVE AND BETTER RETENTION OF OUR EXPERIENCED ORANGE STAFF.

AND THAT COMES WITH LESS STRESS, HEALTHIER WORKFORCE, BETTER POISED TO SERVE OUR OUR CITIZENRY AND INCREASED CAPACITY TO PROVIDE EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES. I ALWAYS SAY IF WE'RE NOT PROACTIVE, IF WE'RE REACTIVE, WE'RE LOSING.

WE WANT TO STAY IN THE PROACTIVE ARENA, FUTURE CAPACITY TO PROVIDE EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES TO OUR COMMUNITY AND ITS CONTINUITY OF SERVICES IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO US.

AND AGAIN, WE HEAR A LOT WE DON'T SAY THE WHY BEHIND REQUESTS OR THE WHYS.

REALLY SIMPLE. IT'S NOT FOR US.

THE END GAME WITH ALL OF OUR DECISIONS IS OUR COMMUNITY BEING POISED TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY AND KEEP THIS COMMUNITY SAFE THE BEST WE CAN AGAIN NOW AND AFTER WE'RE GONE, THAT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO US AND THAT IS OUR END GAME.

SO NEXT STEPS, MS. HURT AND MS. DREWRY WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION RELATED TO THEIR RESPECTIVE AREAS OF EXPERTISE.

AND OUR REQUEST WOULD BE FOR THE BOARD TO PLACE THIS ON A FUTURE AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, MAJOR, DO YOU HAVE YOU WANT TO FEEL ANY? IF YOU WANT TO, I THINK IT MAY.

OUR RECRUITING AND HIRING HAS DRAMATICALLY CHANGED AND WE'VE BEEN PROACTIVE WITH IT.

AND THE MAJOR, WE ALL HAVE ROLES, BUT THE MAJOR DOES A LOT OF WORK WITH THE RECRUITING END OF IT ON THE PHONE, ON WEEKENDS AND EVENINGS.

IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN IT USED TO BE WHERE THEY JUST APPLY AND THEY DO EVERYTHING.

WE'VE GOT TO GO AFTER PEOPLE.

SO I WANT THE MAJOR, IF HE'S GOT A COUPLE OF WORDS ON THAT TOPIC.

THANK YOU. AND YES, IT HAS DRAMATICALLY CHANGED.

I MEAN, WE'RE NOW DOING, WE'RE DOING HIRING PROCESSES ON A MONTHLY BASIS FOR CERTIFIED AND NON CERTIFIED JUST TO TRY TO GET EVERY POSSIBLE APPLICANT WE CAN GET IN.

I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THAT YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN DOING THIS NOW FOR A FEW YEARS AND THIS YEAR IN PARTICULAR, OUR NUMBERS, OUR POOL IS JUST DRAMATICALLY DROPPING.

THE LAST TWO PROCESSES FOR INSTANCE FOR OUR NON CERTIFIED FOLKS, MY LAST TESTING, I HAD THREE PEOPLE SHOW UP, THE ONE BEFORE THAT ONE PERSON SHOW UP. FOR MY CERTIFIED OFFICER PROCESS, I HAD ONE QUALIFIED CERTIFIED POLICE OFFICER THAT I COULD INTERVIEW.

AND AGAIN, IN YEARS PAST YOU WOULD WAIT TILL YOU GOT A BIG GROUP, RIGHT.

AND THEN YOU'D PULL THEM ALL IN AND WE'D FILL UP A HALF A CAFETERIA.

JJ MOORE AND DO TESTING.

CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE, YOU CAN'T FILL IT UP.

SO WE'RE GRABBING, WE'RE DOING IT MONTHLY IN ORDER TO GET EVERY POSSIBLE QUALIFIED APPLICANT THAT WE CAN FOR THE COUNTY.

AND IT'S NOT HAPPENING.

SO WE DO HAVE PEOPLE WE'RE TALKING TO.

I'VE GOT GUYS IF I FIND OUT THEY HAVE ANY INTEREST IN PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY AND WE'VE GOT SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN SELL THEM ON.

THE COUNTY ITSELF, THE THE LEADERSHIP THAT YOU ALL PROVIDE, OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATION, I MEAN, THOSE ARE ALL, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN HELP SELL THIS COUNTY ON.

BUT WHAT WHEN WE GET THE SALARY, WE ARE JUST NOT COMPETITIVE.

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AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS SO IMPORTANT FOR US TO COME TO YOU IN THE MIDDLE OF A BUDGET YEAR.

AND THAT'S NOT NORMAL.

BUT THAT'S WHY WE REALLY FELT IT WAS SO CRITICAL TO COME AND SPEAK TO YOU.

SO THANK YOU. I'LL BE HERE IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE TOPICS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. I THINK THE MAJOR EXPRESSED THIS AND THIS IS TRULY MY SENTIMENT AND SOME MAY DISAGREE, BUT I THINK WE HAVE A LOT TO SELL HERE, AND THAT IS THE COMMUNITY, THE COUNTY LEADERSHIP AND THE TEAM ITSELF.

WE DO GET THERE ARE FOLKS THAT WANT TO WORK HERE AND THEY'RE LEAVING FOR OTHER AREAS FOR OTHER REASONS.

BUT AGAIN, PAY PAY IS A HANG UP.

WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES THE PD'S PORTION OF THIS.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS NOW OR YOU WANT TO WAIT, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY YOU HAVE NOW.

BUT I BELIEVE MS. HURT WILL BE NEXT.

THANK YOU, CHIEF. THANK YOU.

AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR.

MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND MR. STOKES AND MR. WHITTEN.

SO I PLAY A ROLE IN THIS JUST BECAUSE I DID SOME OF THE LEGWORK TO GET TO THE NUMBERS THAT WE GOT TO.

AND THEN BETSY WILL JUMP RIGHT IN AND TALK ABOUT THE FINANCIAL ASPECT.

SO TO START, I JUST KIND OF WANT TO RECAP WHERE WE ARE WITH HISTORY, OUR SALARY STUDY, THE HISTORY, WHAT BROUGHT US HERE TODAY, WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND OTHER EMPLOYEES.

SO JUST TO RECAP AND I DON'T NEED TO READ IT ALL TO YOU, YOU HAVE THIS PRESENTATION, BUT BACK IN 2018 IS WHEN IT BEGAN AFTER EVERGREEN SOLUTIONS CAME IN AND DID THEIR WORK.

BASICALLY, PHASE ONE WAS PLACING 2, 4, 6, 8 BASED ON SERVICE IN THE PD, WITH THE FOCUS WAS PRIMARILY ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THEIR FIRE AND EMS AND SHERIFF EMPLOYEES RECEIVE THE SAME RAISES AS ALL OTHER COUNTY EMPLOYEES.

IN SEVEN ONE OF 19 PHASE TWO WAS IMPLEMENTED FROM AGAIN, THAT EVERGREEN STUDY IMPLEMENTED 25% TO ADDRESS COMPRESSION ACROSS THE BOARD FOR ALL EMPLOYEES.

AND THEN THOSE WHO WERE NOT COMPRESSED DID RECEIVE THOSE AMOUNTS BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY MADE ANNUALLY AT THAT TIME. FIRE AND EMS MOVED TO A SIMILAR AND SEPARATE PAY PLAN, JUST LIKE POLICE DEPARTMENT DID THROUGH THE PAY STUDY.

AND THEN ON SEVEN 120, THERE WERE NO INCREASES GIVEN AT ALL TO THE EMPLOYEES.

SEVEN ONE OF 21 YOU CAN SEE THAT PUBLIC SAFETY EMPLOYEES WERE THEN PLACED ON A STEP PLAN BASED ON THEIR YEARS OF SERVICE, AND THEN 65% OF THAT WAS THEIR PLACEMENT.

THE AVERAGE RAISE WAS 11.33, THE HIGH WAS 36.99.

THOSE THAT EXCEEDED THEIR STEP RECEIVED A ONE TIME 2% BONUS AT THAT TIME.

IN 2021, WE THEN MOVED THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO THEIR OWN SEPARATE PAY PLAN THAT WAS SIMILAR TO POLICE AND FIRE TO GET PUBLIC SAFETY ALL ON BOARD WITH THEIR OWN SEPARATE PAY PLANS. ON JULY 1ST OF 2022, THE BOARD RECOGNIZED THE NEED FOR A 5% ADJUSTMENT TO THE PAY SCALES TO ADDRESS MINIMUM WAGE ISSUES THAT WE WERE HAVING AND TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPETITIVE IN THE MARKET, KNOWING THAT OBVIOUSLY IN FUTURE YEARS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION OF MINIMUM WAGE AS IT CONTINUES TO CLIMB.

PUBLIC SAFETY EMPLOYEES DID RECEIVE A 5% SCALE ADJUSTMENT FOR THEIR RESPECTIVE PAY SCALES AND ALSO A STEP INCREASE.

SO THEY MOVED UP ONE STEP AND THEN THE QUALIFIED AND SWORN POLICE OFFICERS ALSO RECEIVED CAREER DEVELOPMENT ADJUSTMENTS THROUGH JUNE.

ALL OF THEM ARE LOOKED AT THROUGH JUNE OF 2022.

SO THOSE WHO EXCEEDED THEIR STEP AGAIN RECEIVED A ONE TIME BONUS OF THAT 2%.

SO HERE'S WHERE THE SEARCH BEGAN.

I DISCUSSED WITH OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR THE NEED TO DO A SALARY STUDY TO BRING ALL NUMBERS CURRENT, BECAUSE THE LAST TIME WE DID THAT WAS AROUND 2018 WITH EVERGREEN.

IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO PUT THE FINANCIAL BURDEN ON THE COUNTY WHEN THE WORK HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE.

ALL I NEEDED TO DO AT THAT POINT WAS TO FIX THE NUMBERS, RIGHT? TO LOOK AT WHERE ARE WE AT NOW? WE ALSO WANTED TO BE MORE COMPETITIVE WITH WHO OUR TRUE EMPLOYERS WERE.

WE DID IDENTIFY THROUGH THAT PAY STUDY THAT WE WERE USING AREAS THAT WE DON'T LOSE OUR PEOPLE TO.

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SO IN SPEAKING WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, MISS DREWRY, WE DID TALK ABOUT THOSE LOCALITIES THAT WE FELT WE NEEDED TO POLL.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.

THE DATA WAS RECEIVED BACK TO ME WITH A DEADLINE.

THOSE WHO DID NOT SUBMIT IT TO ME, I BASICALLY WENT ONLINE AND MADE PHONE CALLS TO GET THE NUMBERS THAT WE NEEDED IN ORDER TO START THE PROCESS.

OUR FOCUS TONIGHT IS ONLY ON PUBLIC SAFETY, SO THE REST OF THE INFORMATION IS STILL IN THE PROCESS OF BEING COMPILED WITH ALL POSITIONS ACROSS THE BOARD.

AND THAT'S FOR US TO REVIEW.

ARE WE IN LINE WITH THE MARKET OR ARE WE WAY OFF JUST ON CERTAIN POSITIONS, ALL POSITIONS SO THAT WE HAVE SOME BETTER NUMBERS FOR YOU DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS.

SO PUBLIC SAFETY, WE DO FEEL IS THE MOST CRITICAL NEED RIGHT NOW, AND THEY ARE FACING THE MOST CHALLENGES.

I WILL SAY THERE ARE A FEW OTHERS, SUCH AS UTILITIES AND POSITIONS LIKE THAT THAT WE STRUGGLE TO FILL BECAUSE OF SALARY.

SO I WILL SAY MOVING FORWARD, THAT WILL BE A BIG FOCUS FOR US TO SO MANY PUBLIC SECTOR EMPLOYEES HAVE PROVIDED SIGNIFICANT INCREASES TO THEIR EMPLOYEES AND WE CERTAINLY LAG BEHIND.

THE CHIEF SHOWED YOU THAT IN HIS SLIDE.

THIS IS JUST A CAP FOR YOU TO SHOW YOU.

WHO DID WE POLL? OK. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHO WE POLLED, THOSE THAT HAVE THE ASTERISK ASTERISKS BESIDE IT.

WE'RE ONLY POLLED FOR POLICE PURPOSES.

THEY DON'T HAVE OTHER POSITIONS IN THERE THAT WE WERE SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT.

BUT WE CERTAINLY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THE STATE POLICE.

RICHARD BLAND, THE CAPITOL POLICE, VCU POLICE, BECAUSE THOSE ARE IMPORTANT AND WE CERTAINLY HAVE LOST OUR PEOPLE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO THOSE PLACES. SO, AGAIN, THIS IS A RECAP OF THE SLIDE THAT THE CHIEF SHOWED YOU.

AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU SEE HERE IS THAT WE ARE DEAD LAST.

AND THAT IS A REALLY IMPORTANT SLIDE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE.

I WILL TELL YOU THIS, AND THEY DIDN'T MENTION IT, BUT I KNOW THEY SAW IT THEMSELVES.

OBVIOUSLY, FOR THOSE WHO ARE ON FACEBOOK.

THEY RECENTLY PUT OUT SOMETHING THROUGH FACEBOOK WHERE THEY WERE RECRUITING FOR POLICE OFFICERS.

ANY OF YOU WHO ARE ON FACEBOOK CAN READ THE COMMENTS FOR YOURSELF AS TO WHAT WAS COMMENTED ON.

IT'S SAD. AND I WILL SAY THAT I'LL BE THE FIRST TO SAY IT.

IT'S EMBARRASSING AND IT'S SAD TO SEE THE COMMENTS THAT PEOPLE PUT OUT THERE.

WE KNOW THAT IT'S 47 TO 54.

THE STARTING PAY AND THE COMMENTS THERE WERE BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT REALLY FOR A POLICE OFFICER TO PUT THEIR LIFE ON THE LINE, $47,000, AND THEN THEY START TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THE OTHER LOCALITIES PAYING MORE MONEY.

SO THAT'S NOT JUST TALK.

THAT'S OBVIOUSLY RIGHT HERE FOR YOU IN BLACK AND WHITE.

WE ARE PAYING 12% LESS THAN OUR COMPETITION.

SO IN ADDITION TO LOOKING AT JUST POLICE, I FELT IT WAS NECESSARY TO GO ACROSS THE BOARD AND TALKING WITH MR. STOKES TO LOOK AT ALL PUBLIC SAFETY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO BRING JUST ONE AND NOT ALL.

WHAT WE DID WAS WE LOOKED AT THE FIRE AND EMS DATA THAT WE RECEIVED, SOME OF THOSE THAT ARE ORANGE AND RED, OR BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE EXACT POSITION TITLE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT. BUT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE IS THAT A MEDIC ONE ON AVERAGE IS ABOUT 7% BELOW OUR COMPETITION.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE ARE ABOUT 11% BEHIND ON OUR CAPTAIN POSITIONS.

SO NOT ALL LOCALITIES DID RESPOND WITH DATA.

WE DID THE BEST WE COULD TO GET WHAT WE COULD AND WE GAVE YOU.

WHERE DOES PRINCE GEORGE STACK UP IN COMPARISON FOR FIRE AND EMS? SHERIFF'S DATA THAT WE RECEIVED.

PRINCE GEORGE IS ACTUALLY PAYING MORE THAN OUR NEIGHBORS.

WE ARE, ON AVERAGE ABOVE BY 1%.

SO FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS, THIS IS JUST TO SHOW YOU THE SLIDE, BUT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS NO REQUEST TONIGHT TO ASK FOR ANYTHING FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

SO WHAT IS NECESSARY TO FIX IT? WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE POLICE OFFICERS STARTING SALARY THEIR RANGE MINIMUM INCREASE TO 53,000.

IT IS 12.17% HIGHER THAN THE STARTING SALARY AND IT DOES PUT US IN COMPETITION WITH OUR MARKET.

THE PROGRESSION BETWEEN THE GRADES WOULD NOT CHANGE FOR THE POLICE, AND I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU THAT ON A ON A SLIDE HERE IN A MINUTE.

AND NOR WOULD THE RANGE SPREAD FOR THE 30 YEAR PROGRESSION.

THAT IS IMPORTANT, VERY IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF OUR COMPENSATION PLAN THAT WAS DESIGNED.

FIREARMS RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE MEDIC ONE TO INCREASE THE STARTING SALARY TO $50,000, WHICH IS 10.74% HIGHER.

WE'RE RECOMMENDING A CHANGE IN THE PROGRESSION BETWEEN THE GRADES AND THE SPREAD WOULD REMAIN THE SAME.

AND I'LL SHOW YOU WHY HERE IN JUST A MINUTE.

SHOW YOU THE LOGIC.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR CURRENT RANGE SPREAD IN THE GRADE PROGRESSION FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU CAN SEE THERE THAT THE RANGE.

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ALL OF THOSE POSITIONS ARE DESIGNED FOR CAREER DEVELOPMENT IN THOSE FIRST FIVE CATEGORIES.

THE NEXT THING YOU FIND IS THE OFFICER POSITIONS THE SERGEANT AND LIEUTENANT, CAPTAIN, MAJOR, AND CHIEF.

THERE'S A 10% SPREAD BETWEEN THE GRADES, THE HIGHER YOU GET IN THE OFFICER RANKINGS.

THERE'S A 25% CURRENTLY BETWEEN THE MAJOR AND THE CHIEF.

OVER TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.

WHAT I WANT TO JUST SHOW THE BOARD IS WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO INCREASE THE SALARY OF OUR CHIEF OF POLICE.

WE'RE LOOKING TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY.

AND I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE A MISCONCEPTION THAT WE'RE IN IT FOR THE HIGHER RANKING OFFICERS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU SEE THIS FOR YOURSELF, THAT WE ARE NOT CHANGING ANY SPREADS BETWEEN OR ACROSS FOR THESE POSITIONS.

CERTAINLY WHEN YOU CHANGE, WHEN YOU CHANGE THE STARTING PAY OF YOUR POLICE OFFICER, ALL OF THE NUMBERS HAVE TO CHANGE TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THIS PAY PLAN.

SO WITH FIRE AND EMS, THERE IS A BIT OF A CHANGE.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS IF YOU LOOK TO THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT THE RANGE SPREAD IS THE SAME AS POLICE WITH THE 55% AND THEN THE 60% SPREAD, WHICH GOES ACROSS FROM THE MINIMUM TO THE MAXIMUM SALARY.

BUT THE PROGRESSION BETWEEN THE GRADES IS OFF AND WE NEED TO GET CLOSER TO FIXING THAT TO GIVE IT A RHYME AND REASON AS TO WHY WE'RE DOING IT.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK TO THE MIDDLE, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A CHANGE BASED UPON TRYING TO FIX THAT PROGRESSION BETWEEN GRADE.

SO IT'S MORE IN LINE WITH WHERE WE WERE WITH THE POLICE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT A 5% PROGRESSION IN THE MEDICS.

AND THEN WHEN YOU GET TO LT ONE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A 15% INCREASE THERE.

AND THEN WITH LT TWO TO CAPTAIN ONE, THE TOTAL COMBINED IS 15%.

SO WE'RE STILL KEEPING THAT SPREAD BETWEEN THOSE POSITIONS AT THAT.

AND THEN FROM A CAPTAIN, ONE TO A TWO WOULD BE A 5% SPREAD.

AND THEN YOUR FIRE AND EMS CHIEF.

YOU ACTUALLY SEE GO DOWN FROM 39 POINTS FOR 7 TO 33% IN DOING THIS.

LIKE I MADE A NOTE THERE.

WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE CREATING SPACE AND ROOM THAT FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD THERE'S GOING TO BE A DESIRE AND PROBABLY A VERY STRONG NEED TO PUT A DEPUTY IN PLACE FOR THE FIRE AND EMS CHIEF.

AND IN DOING THAT, WE'RE LEAVING OURSELVES ENOUGH ROOM THERE TO GROW INTO THAT.

SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE LEAVING THAT SPACE TO GROW.

SO THE WHY NOW AND WHAT IS THE COST IS GOING TO BE BETSY AND SHE'LL TAKE OVER FROM HERE.

GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR.

BOARD MEMBERS. MR. STOKE AND MR. WHITTEN CHIEF EARLY AND CORRIE HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB SETTING UP THE BACKGROUND.

CHIEF REALLY DID A GREAT JOB ARTICULATING THE NEEDS.

WHY NOW? AS THE CHIEF STATED, MANY RECRUITS HAVE TO TAKE PAY CUTS TO COME HERE TO PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.

WE ARE ATTRACTIVE AS A DEPARTMENT.

I THINK THE DEPARTMENT HAS A STELLAR REPUTATION.

I THINK WE DO SERVE OUR CITIZENS WELL.

BUT WE CAN'T REMAIN IN LAST PLACE AND EXPECT TO GET THE BEST.

WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO INCREASE THE STARTING PAY FOR OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND FIRE AND EMS RESPONSE STAFF EFFECTIVE JANUARY ONE, A MID-YEAR INCREASE AND NOT WAIT UNTIL THE FY 24 BUDGET PROCESS.

THIS WOULD ENHANCE RECRUITMENT, HOPEFULLY IN THE SHORT TERM.

MAYBE SOME MORE RECRUITS WOULD SHOW UP WHEN MAJ YOUNG DOES RECRUITMENT, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW OUR COMPETITORS ARE GOING TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS FOR FY 24 ALSO, AND WE ARE ALREADY LAGGING DRAMATICALLY BEHIND.

SO WHAT'S THE COST? I KNOW EVERYONE WANTS TO CUT TO THE CHASE AND SEE WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE, BUT HONESTLY, I DO SOME PRESENTATIONS WHERE I TALK ABOUT THE RED FLEX, THE BUS, CAMERA MONEY, AND IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY THAT WE'RE GETTING.

IT'S ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE STUDENTS.

THIS THIS REALLY ISN'T ABOUT THE MONEY.

AND IT'S ODD TO HEAR A FINANCE DIRECTOR SAY THAT, BUT IT IS ABOUT THE INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY AND IN PUBLIC SAFETY.

WE WILL FIND THE RESOURCES NECESSARY TO DO THIS MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE IT'S NECESSARY POLICE THE COST TO DO A FULL YEAR IMPACT IF WE WERE DOING THIS RETROACTIVELY TO JULY WOULD BE 549,160.

WITH THE FILLED POSITIONS WE HAVE TODAY.

FIRE AND EMS WOULD COST ANOTHER 173 300.

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THIS YEAR IS A TOTAL COST OF 361,000.

AND THE FUNDING SOURCE THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND AS A TRANSFER FROM GENERAL FUND CONTINGENCY.

YOUR CONTINGENCY TODAY SITS AT 554,000.

OF COURSE, NEXT FISCAL YEAR WE WILL BE LOOKING TO ADD THAT PERMANENTLY TO THE BUDGET BECAUSE WHEN WE MAKE SALARY AND BENEFIT IMPROVEMENTS, IT HAS A PERMANENT IMPACT ON THE BUDGET.

SO THE NEXT STEPS, IF THE BOARD IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS OR THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD IS SUPPORTIVE OF SUPPORTIVE OF THIS CHANGE, WE WOULD BRING TO YOU AT AN UPCOMING MEETING APPROVAL OF THOSE SCALE CHANGES, THE SALARY IMPROVEMENTS AND A TRANSFER FROM EITHER CONTINGENCY OR FUND BALANCE OF 361,000. AND THEN IN FY 24, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS CERTAINLY WOULD BECOME A PERMANENT PART OF THE BUDGET IF THE BOARD IS INTERESTED AND DOING THIS.

ON JANUARY ONE, THE LAST DATE THAT WE COULD TAKE ACTION OR YOU COULD TAKE ACTION AS A BOARD WOULD BE YOUR DECEMBER 13TH MEETING.

AND I THANK CHIEF EARLY MAJOR YOUNG, CAPTAIN TAYLOR, MISS HER AND MYSELF ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS MAY HAVE.

DOES THIS REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING? IT DOES NOT AT THAT PERCENTAGE, CORRECT? CORRECT. IT DOES NOT AMOUNT TO 1% OF YOUR BUDGET AND IT IS NOT A BONUS PER SE.

I THINK A BONUS DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.

THANKS, MR. WHEDON. QUESTIONS.

NOT AT THIS TIME. I'M NO REAL QUESTION.

THE PIECE FOR ME IS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE FUNDING IS COMING FROM FOR NEXT YEAR.

AND TYPICALLY WE WOULD TALK ABOUT THAT DURING BUDGET.

I THINK NOVEMBER 9TH FOR ME IS EARLY.

I WOULD BE LEANING MORE TO DISCUSSING THIS IN DECEMBER BECAUSE HOPEFULLY WE MAY UNDERSTAND BETTER WHERE OUR.

ASSESSMENTS COULD POTENTIALLY LAY IN.

I THINK TRYING TO IT'S ALMOST LIKE MAKING A HUGE MOVE WITHOUT KNOWING WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GET.

AND I'M A LITTLE AFRAID TO.

I UNDERSTAND THE HALF A YEAR AND THE 300 AND SOME K BUT WE'RE WE'RE PULLING A LOT OF MONEY OUT OF CONTINGENCY AND ONLY LEAVING OURSELVES ABOUT 200 K IN A CONTINGENCY TO GET THROUGH FOR ANOTHER SIX MONTHS.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEED, BUT FOR ME I WOULD BE LEANING MORE TO WAITING AND.

HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE GETTING SOME MORE INFORMATION AS TIME GOES ON FOR THE DECEMBER MEETING.

THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. ONE PERSON.

MADAM CHAIR, I TEND TO AGREE.

I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT NEEDED.

I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE DATA.

THE CONCERN I GOT, CHIEF, HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.

IT SUCKS TO COME IN THE MIDDLE OF IT LESS THAN SIX MONTHS INTO A BUDGET AND HAVE TO TRY TO MAKE THIS KIND OF ADJUSTMENT KNOWING WHAT'S GOING TO HIT THE BOTTOM LINE.

THE FLIP SIDE TO THE OTHER PART OF IT IS WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT NON SAFETY EMPLOYEES.

WHICH. I'M NOT TRYING TO SEGREGATE BETWEEN CRITICAL AND NON CRITICAL, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF NON SAFETY EMPLOYEES THAT PROVIDE CRITICAL SERVICES TO THE CITIZENS THAT THEY EXPECT.

SO YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A BALANCE.

WE'VE GOT TO TRY TO MEET BOTH.

AND WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM? LONG TERM. RIGHT.

WELL, BRIAN GORDON HERE, YOUR ASSESSOR, IS HOPING TO HAVE PRELIMINARY NUMBERS TO US BY MID-NOVEMBER.

WE ARE HOPING AND HE HE DOES FORESEE SOME GROWTH IN REAL ESTATE.

IT'S CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO BE TO DRAMATIC EFFECT THAT IT WAS THIS PAST FISCAL YEAR.

BUT BUT THERE WILL BE BIG GROWTH IN YOUR REAL PROPERTY VALUES.

THAT'S WHY I'M THINKING MID-NOVEMBER GIVES US ALL A BETTER VIEW INTO POTENTIALLY WHAT.

COULD BE EXPECTED TOWARDS THE BUDGET FOR 2024, HELPING US ALL TO FEEL BETTER ABOUT HELPING ME TO FEEL BETTER ABOUT HOW WE COVER THIS.

BUT AGAIN, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE NEED.

I GUESS MY ONLY OTHER CONCERN WOULD BE IS THAT POINT YOU MADE.

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THE NUMBERS WOULD BE DIFFERENT, BUT WE'D BE BACK IN THAT MODE OF BEING NEAR THE BOTTOM AGAIN.

SO THAT'S THAT'S A SCARY THOUGHT AS WELL.

TOTALLY HONEST. I MEAN, SOME OF THESE PLACES HAVE DEEPER POCKETS.

AND THEY'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE DEEPER POCKETS.

SO IT'S NOT I'M NOT BELITTLING THAT, CHIEF.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE KIND OF CHASING A RABBIT IS GOING IN A HOLE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T CATCH.

YOU CAN TRY TO STAY UP OR YOU CAN TRY TO STAY, TO YOUR POINT, COMPETITIVE.

BUT I DON'T THINK YOU'RE EVER GOING TO BE IN FIRST PLACE WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE YOU HAVE LISTED ON THIS LIST.

I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S FEASIBLE.

WE DON'T GENERATE I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 1.6 BILLION BUDGET VERSUS WHAT OURS IS.

AND AND AGAIN, THE 53 BRINGS US TO THE AVERAGE DOESN'T PUT US IN FIRST PLACE.

I'M NOT TOTALLY AGAINST IT. I'M JUST CONCERNED WITH MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL THE DATA BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BACK HERSELF IN A CORNER.

WE DEFINITELY NEED TO DO SOMETHING.

I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T. I'M NOT SAYING WE CAN'T DO IT ALL.

BUT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE TONIGHT TO SIT HERE AND JUMP AND JUMP IN THAT BOAT WITHOUT HAVING SOME MORE INFORMATION.

I AGREE WITH WHAT BOTH OF THE GENTLEMEN HAVE SAID.

ONE THING THAT MR. WEBB SAID AND CORY EVEN MENTIONED IT, IT'S LIKE UTILITIES IS HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME AS WELL.

THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT THEY ARE VITAL TO HAVE THOSE THINGS WHEN THESE EMERGENCY RUPTURES COME WITH THESE PIPES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

THEY'VE GOT TO BE ON THE BALL, TOO, TO GET ON TOP OF THAT.

THAT'S AS YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT WITHOUT A DOUBT.

AND WHAT MR. BROWN SAID AS WELL, WE NEED A LITTLE MORE FODDER MAYBE TO MAKE SURE WE CAN SUPPORT THIS.

IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT IT.

WE JUST WANT TO FEEL POSITIVE ABOUT IT.

SO IT'S NO QUESTION BECAUSE, LIKE I SAY, THOSE NUMBERS THAT WE MAY GET IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MONTH NEXT MONTH.

MAYBE. MAYBE GOOD STUFF TO MAKE US FEEL GOOD ABOUT DOING THIS RATHER THAN HESITANT ABOUT DOING IT.

I THINK. I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE HESITANT ABOUT SUPPORTING THE EMERGENCY SECTOR OR THE WORKFORCE, BUT THE FACT THAT IF WE CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING IT WELL, WE'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO HURT THE CITIZENS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO LISTEN TO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, TOO. I THINK MOST OF THE CITIZENS WILL FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE FACT THAT WHAT WE DO AS FAR AS THE EMERGENCY SERVICES, I KNOW I DO. I THINK WE REALLY LOOK GOOD WHEN WE COMPARE OURSELVES WITH SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS.

SO, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH MAYBE WE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO MAKE US FEEL BETTER ABOUT IT.

MY COMMENT IS, AND I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND ARGUE OVER DATES WITH MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS.

YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO WANT MORE INFORMATION.

BUT WHAT'S GOING TO CHANGE BETWEEN NOVEMBER 9TH AND DECEMBER, WE ARE THE LOWEST PAID POLICE DEPARTMENT AND TRYING TO RECRUIT AND FILL OUR HOUR SHIFTS THE WAY THEY NEED TO BE FILLED.

SO WHAT'S GOING TO CHANGE BETWEEN THE NOVEMBER 9TH AND DECEMBER? WHAT INFORMATION COULD YOU POSSIBLY ASK FOR? WE'RE STILL AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST OF OF BEING THE LAST.

YOU KNOW, WE PUT A LOT OF WORK THIS ENTIRE BOARD AND PRIOR BOARDS AND TRYING TO GET OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND PUBLIC SAFETY WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.

AT LEAST WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE NUMBER ONE, BUT AT LEAST MIDWAY.

AND IT IS A SHOCK TO SEE THESE NUMBERS BECAUSE WHEN WE DID THE BUDGET THIS PAST YEAR, WE WERE MID-STREAM, WE WERE HOLDING OUR OWN IN EVERY JURISDICTION, PLAYED THE GAME.

THEY PUT UP THE BILLBOARDS, THEY PUT THE ADS OUT IN THE PAPER, AND THEY ATTRACT THESE QUALIFIED POSITIONS.

I JUST DON'T WANT TO HURT OURSELVES BY WAITING AN EXTRA 30 DAYS AND LOSE A POTENTIAL RECRUIT OR THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, THOSE QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS COME AND FILL THE VOID.

IT'S TOO MUCH WORK.

AND WE'VE GOT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, WE GOT THE STAFF AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL AS HR, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A STARTING SALARY OF 53,000 IN ORDER TO PUT US MIDRANGE IN ORDER FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL.

AND IF THE FIRE AND EMS, IF THEY HAVE A BACKLOG OF POSITIONS THAT THEY CANNOT FILL BECAUSE THE STARTING PAY IS NOT THERE, I HAVE NOT HEARD OF THAT.

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THE CHIEF BEEMAN WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF HE THINKS THAT NEED IS NEEDED IMMEDIATELY.

AND OF COURSE, WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT AS WELL.

BUT TO HAVE FIVE OR SIX AND IT'S NOT JUST YOU KNOW, I WENT INTO RITE AID A FEW WEEKS AGO, PRIOR TO ANY OF THIS COMING UP AND SEEN ONE OF OUR GRAVEYARD LIEUTENANTS COMING OUT OF THERE.

AND JUST HOW'S TODAY? HOW'S IT GOING? RETIRED. AS ALL SHIFT WAS TIRED.

THEY'RE WORKING FOUR AND 5 HOURS EXTRA.

THEY'RE WORKING ON THEIR DAYS OFF TO COVER THE VOID.

AND THERE'S JUST ABSOLUTELY BURN OUT.

AND THOSE THAT ARE ON THE VERGE OF DEBATING WHETHER THEY SHOULD RETIRE THIS YEAR OR WAIT ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO.

THIS FRUSTRATION IS GETTING ON THEM SO BAD.

THEY'RE LOOKING MORE AT WANTING TO JUST RETIRE SOONER.

JUST. YOU KNOW, I'VE ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, STATE OF THE CASE AND SO IS THIS BOARD, TOO.

THEY'VE DONE PLENTY OF THINGS.

TO BRING THIS PAY UP AND WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT'S CAUSING IT.

BUT WE KNOW WHAT THE DATA SHOWS AND WE KNOW WE NEED TO FIX IT.

IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO KEEP OUR SHIPS FULL, TO KEEP THESE.

OFFICERS OUT ON THE STREET AND PROTECTING OUR CITIZENS.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, DURING THE SURVEYS, YOU KNOW, CITIZENS ARE, FOR THE MOST PART, ARE 100% BEHIND PUBLIC SAFETY AND WHATEVER IT NEEDS.

AND THEY EVEN, YOU KNOW, FEW OF THEM EVEN MENTIONED IF YOU HAVE TO GO UP ON THE TAX RATE IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE POLICE PRESENCE IN OUR COUNTY, YOU'LL NEVER HEAR US ARGUE ABOUT THAT.

SO. I JUST HOPE WE CAN ADDRESS THIS AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE.

BRING THE STARTING PAY AS IT'S INDICATED IN THE PRESENTATION.

I JUST I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD CHANGE BETWEEN NOVEMBER 9TH AND DECEMBER.

WHAT DATA COULD COME FORWARD.

WE JUST WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO PAY FOR IT, WHETHER IT'S FUN BALANCE, WHETHER IT'S CONTINGENCY FUND.

BUT WILL ALLOW, YOU KNOW, MS..

DREWRY AND THE TEAM TO GET TOGETHER TO GIVE US OUR OPTIONS ON WHAT SHE THINKS WOULD BE THE CASE.

BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO SIT UP HERE AND SAY THAT ANY COMMENT Y'ALL MADE WAS WRONG.

RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO I WANT TO GET IT FIXED.

I WANT TO GET IT FIXED QUICK.

AND THIS IS THE STEPS THAT THEY GAVE US AND WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF TALKING TO DO BETWEEN IF IT HAPPENED ON NOVEMBER THE NINTH, WHICH AFTER HEARING THREE COMMENTS, IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT BE DECEMBER.

BUT I JUST THINK WE'RE WASTING PRECIOUS TIME ON GETTING THIS THING RESOLVED.

AND IN THE FIELD.

YOU HEARD. YOU HEARD MAJOR YONG STAY.

THEY'RE ATTACKING THESE APPLICANTS EVERY 3 TO 4 WEEKS.

TO TRY TO GRAB THEM BEFORE ANOTHER JURISDICTION GETS THEM.

YOU GIVE THEM ANOTHER THREE OR FOUR WEEKS.

WE HAVE A POTENTIAL LOSING ANOTHER COUPLE OF QUALIFIED APPLICANTS THAT WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN.

AND I WISH Y'ALL COULD RECONSIDER AND BRING THIS THING TO US ON NOVEMBER THE NINTH.

AND. AND LET'S SEE WHAT.

MISS DREWRY HAS TO GIVE US OUR OPTIONS ON HOW TO PAY FOR THIS.

BUT I THINK WE ALL AGREE, FROM WHAT I HEAR, THAT IT'S A CHANGE THAT HAS TO TAKE PLACE.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT TAKE PLACE QUICKLY RATHER THAN LATER, BECAUSE EVERY DAY THAT WE WASTE, YOU CAN UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT BETWEEN NOW AND DECEMBER, WE'RE WASTING.

WE'VE ALREADY HAD THIS ISSUE FOR THE LAST 6 TO 8 WEEKS, IF NOT LONGER.

AND WE MISSED THE BOAT.

WE'VE LOST SOME POTENTIAL APPLICANTS FROM FROM HEARING MAJOR YOUNG BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO THESE OTHER JURISDICTIONS GOING INTO THE PRIVATE SECTOR. AND I GUESS IT'S HARD TO ACCEPT BECAUSE ALL THE WORK THAT Y'ALL IN OURSELVES AND MINISTRATION AND EVERYBODY FROM PERCY DOWN TO JEFF TO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO TRY TO KEEP US IN MID RANGE, WE KNOW WE CAN'T.

FIGHT WITH THE HANOVER COUNTY IN CHESTERFIELD AND IN RICO.

WE CAN'T WE CAN'T FIGHT THOSE NUMBERS, BUT.

WE CAN LEASH TAKE CARE OF, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BE OR OFFER THE BEST THAT WE CAN OFFER HERE IN PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY WITH THE JURISDICTIONS THAT SURROUND US.

IT DOESN'T TAKE LONG BEFORE.

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THEY'RE PRETTY SMART PEOPLE OUT THERE, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE CRIMINALS.

IT DOESN'T TAKE LONG BEFORE THEY SEE THE VOID.

IN AN AREA WHERE POLICE AND RESPONSE TIMES ARE LONGER AND THE POLICE COVERAGE IS SHORT.

AND THEN THEY START COMING ON TO YOUR INTO YOUR JURISDICTION AND THEY START WANTING TO SET UP HOUSE AND.

THAT'S JUST ME. Y'ALL KNOW ME FROM ANY WAY.

THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING.

I WANT TO RESOLVE IT.

I WANT TO GIVE THEM WHAT THEY NEED TO GET IT DONE.

LET THEM WORK ON IT.

AND EVEN THOUGH YOU INCREASE IT, IF IT'S NOVEMBER 9TH OR DECEMBER 9TH, THEY STILL GOT TO GO FIND THESE APPLICANTS.

IT MAY TAKE THEM 2 TO 3 MONTHS TO GET THEM.

AND I JUST WANT TO GIVE THEM THE TOOLS TO GO OUT AND GET IT.

I MEAN, THAT'S HOW I FEEL.

BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD.

JUST MAKE A COMMENT AND, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT.

I, I DON'T SEE WHAT WE'RE HURTING.

HONESTLY, IF WE MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION IN DECEMBER, THIS DOES NOT GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL JANUARY ONE, CORRECT? YES, SIR. THAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION.

RIGHT. SO WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY HELP ME OUT THAT THE THREE SOMETHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUT OF CONTINGENCY? I DON'T LIKE IT, BUT WE KNOW WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM.

THERE'S NOT A QUESTION THERE.

WHAT HELPS ME OUT IS UNDERSTANDING, HOPEFULLY, WHAT THE DATA COMING FROM OUR ASSESSOR'S OFFICE IS TO HELP ME FEEL BETTER AS TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO COVER IT FOR THE 2024 BUDGET.

AND BY THEN, I DON'T WANT TO SEE US GO UP ON THE TAX RATE, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.

BUT WITH THAT DATA COMING IN, THAT HELPS US ALL WHEN WE'RE WORKING ON THE BUDGET FOR 2024 TO FACTOR THAT IN AND TO BE ABLE TO COVER IT.

SO IT'S NOT A POINT OF WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT.

IT'S NOT A POINT THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO GET US THROUGH JANUARY, THROUGH THE END OF JUNE.

WE'RE JUST OUT FOR ME.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WE FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WE HAVE OUR BASES SOMEWHAT COVERED FOR THE NEW FISCAL YEAR BUDGET. SO I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THAT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MR. WEBB I'VE SAID.

I'M NOT COMFORTABLE UNTIL I GET I LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE ASSESSORS GOT TO HAVE AND I WON'T BE ON SOLID GROUND BEFORE I COULD BUY IT.

I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT NEEDED.

I KNOW IT'S NEEDED. THE DATA SUPPORTS THAT.

BUT IF YOU ALREADY KNOW ME, I'M VERY CONSERVATIVE.

AND I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE MONEY'S COMING FROM.

I'M NOT GOING TO JUMP OUT HERE, BUY A NEW CAR.

JUST GOT ONE NEW CAR AND THEN FIGURE OUT HOW TO PAY FOR IT LATER.

I'M JUST NOT BUILT THAT. I'M SORRY.

AND I DON'T THINK IT TAKES WHAT EVEN WHEN THEY COME OUT OF THE ACADEMY, IT TAKES A YEAR OR MORE BEFORE THEY CAN ACTUALLY BE TURNED LOOSE ON THEIR OWN.

THEN I REMEMBER SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, SOMETHING CLOSE TO THAT, NOT ONLY TO IT NON-CERTIFIED.

IT'S IT'S A YEAR BEFORE, RIGHT? SO THESE RECRUITS YOU GOT COMING OUT, IT'LL BE A YEAR BEFORE YOU CAN TURN THEM LOOSE, CORRECT.

WELL, FROM THE TIME THEY WERE HIRED.

RIGHT. WE ARE A LOT OF CERTIFIED OFFICERS.

I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

THAT BATTERY. BUT I APPRECIATE WHAT MADE YOU, YOUNG SAID.

WE WANT TO GET QUALIFIED CANDIDATES THAT ARE GOING TO STAY, NOT JUST COME FOR THE PAY TO GET OUT OF A HIGHER CRIME ZONE, FINISH THEIR VOICE OR WHATEVER, HOWEVER YOUR RETIREMENT IS FACTORED, THEN RETIRE ANYWAY.

WE'RE LOOKING FOR RECRUITS THAT PLAN ON STAYING FOR A WHILE.

WELL, SOMETIMES THAT'S HARD TO PREDICT, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE PRIORITY FOR US TO ATTRACT TALENT.

QUALITY, NOT A SATISFACTORY TO US IS NOT WHERE WE WANT TO BE.

AND WE ARE. I KNOW AND I THINK WE'VE DONE DONE A LOT FOR TRYING TO MAKE SURE YOU'VE GOT GOOD EQUIPMENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO GO ALONG WITH IT COMPARED TO WHAT A LOT OF COUNTIES DO. SO THERE ARE SOME WAYS THAT WE CAN COMPETE.

IT JUST THERE'S A COUPLE OF AREAS THAT WE JUST WE CAN'T COMPETE AT THAT LEVEL.

I'M TALKING THAT THIS I'M TALKING MID TO HIGH LEVEL.

I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. I KNOW ONE THING WE WANT TO EMPHASIZE.

WE'RE HONESTLY NOT INTERESTED IN LEADING IN SALARIES.

WE DON'T CARE ABOUT LEADING.

WE JUST WANT TO SAY WE WANT TO BE COMPETITIVE.

AND YOU LOOK AT THAT LIST, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT YOUR BIG YOUR BIG JURISDICTIONS AND IT'S GOT AN ARRAY OF OTHERS AS WELL.

OUR INTEREST WITH SALARIES HAS ALWAYS BEEN JUST COMPETITIVE.

WE FEEL LIKE WE LEAD IN OTHER AREAS.

WE STAY COMPETITIVE IN THE SALARY RANGE.

WE CAN BEAT OUT SOME COMPETITION AND OTHER THINGS THIS COMMUNITY IN THIS COUNTY HAS TO OFFER.

THAT'S BEEN OUR POSITION ON THIS.

MR. CARMICHAEL TOUCHED ON AND THIS IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN.

I AM SUPPORTIVE.

I JUST WONDER HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT.

BUT I'M NOT HERE TO SIT HERE AND ROLL THE DICE AND SAY THAT WE DO THAT, THAT SOMEBODY ELSE IS NOT GOING TO UP THEIR GAME AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE MUCH FURTHER UP THE LIST THAN

[00:55:09]

MADAM CHAIR, CAN I JUST ASK MAJOR YOUNG A QUICK QUESTION, MAJOR YOUNG, IF YOU WOULD, SIR, KNOWING THAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR THIS TO GO INTO EFFECT IN JANUARY, DO YOU FEEL THAT'S A NEGATIVE IMPACT? IF WE APPROVED THIS IN DECEMBER, DOES THAT VERSUS NOVEMBER DO YOU WOULD YOU HONESTLY SAY THAT WILL AFFECT YOUR RECRUITING? YOU KNOW, I'M LISTENING AND I DO.

I TRULY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENT, VALID COMMENTS ACROSS THE BOARD.

I WILL TELL YOU, THE RECRUITS THAT WERE WE'RE LET'S JUST BE HONEST.

IT'S LIKE BEING A COLLEGE RECRUITER NOW, THE ONE WE'RE TRYING TO GET IN THE DOOR AND THE ONES WE'RE SHOWING WHAT WE'VE GOT TO OFFER.

THEY KNOW WE'RE COMING TONIGHT TO SPEAK TO YOU.

THEY KNOW IT. AND WE'VE WE'VE DANGLED THAT CARROT.

WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO THE BOARD.

WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR SOME SUPPORT IN THIS AREA.

SO THEY'RE WAITING TO FIND THAT OUT.

AND, YOU KNOW, IDEALLY, I'M ABLE TO SOONER THE BETTER.

RIGHT? BECAUSE AS WE'VE STATED, IF WE NEEDED THEM TODAY, WE SHOULD HAVE HIRED THEM LAST YEAR FOR OUR NON CERTIFIED FOLKS, CORRECT? YES, SIR. SO IT IS A PROCESS.

SO FROM A RECRUITING PERSPECTIVE, THE SOONER WE HAVE THE GREEN LIGHT AND WE CAN START REALLY TELLING PEOPLE WITHOUT JUST DANGLING THE CARROT, WE CAN SHOW THEM THE CARROT, IT'S GOING TO BENEFIT US. I UNDERSTAND AND I HOPE WHAT YOU'VE HEARD HERE TONIGHT, IT'S NOT THAT NONE OF US WANT TO SUPPORT THIS.

IT'S JUST PAYING FOR IT.

AND AGAIN, I THINK THE JANUARY ONE NUMBER GOAL, I DON'T PERSONALLY SEE THAT BEING IN JEOPARDY.

TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, FOR DANGLING, I THINK YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH KNOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, JANUARY ONE YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT 53.

IT'S JUST FOR ME KNOWING THAT NEXT STEP, WE'RE MAKING SURE HOW WE'RE GOING TO COVER IT FOR FOR 2024.

OH, I UNDERSTAND.

AND YEAH, OBVIOUSLY THE SOONER THE BETTER.

AND TO MR. WEBB'S COMMENT, JUST JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE RIGHT.

YEAH, IT'S GOING TO KEEP PROGRESSING AND WE'RE GOING TO KEEP CHASING THAT RABBIT.

WE'RE GOING TO KEEP CHASING THAT BIG RABBIT.

BUT IF WE DON'T PROGRESS AND BECOME COMPETITIVE, WE'RE SO FAR OUT OF THE BALL GAME, WE'RE NOT EVEN LOOKED AT.

BECAUSE AS AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, WE'RE ATTRACTING AND DEALING WITH A DIFFERENT GENERATION OF FOLKS, RIGHT? THEY LIKE SHINY OBJECTS.

AND ONE OF THOSE OBJECTS, THE FIRST THING THEY'RE LOOKING AT IS THAT SALARY.

SO WE'VE GOT TO BE IN THE BALL GAME.

WE'RE NOT IN IT RIGHT NOW.

SO THAT THAT'S IT.

I APPRECIATE I APPRECIATE ALL EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR ME? NO, JUST ONE. I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS AS FAR AS PAYING FOR IT MADE YOU YOUNG IS ALSO THE INVESTMENT THAT WE'VE GOT TO MAKE IN UTILITIES.

AND YOU'VE HEARD Y'ALL HAVE HEARD ME PREACH ABOUT THIS EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD.

IF WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND SUPPORT CLEAN INDUSTRY TO HELP TO ADD MACHINERY TAX, WHATEVER, TO HELP OFFSET THIS, WE CANNOT MAKE IT STRICTLY OFF OF ROOFTOPS.

THAT'D BE FOOLISH TO THINK WE COULD.

AND I THINK THE DATA WOULD SPELL THAT OUT.

YEAH, WE'VE GOT SOME PRETTY STRONG INITIATIVES.

WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN, AND LIKE MR. BROWN JUST SAID, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT.

I DON'T WANT THAT IMPRESSION GOING OUT HERE.

I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE UNTIL I LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE ASSESSOR AND HAVE SOME IDEA WHERE WE'RE HEADED.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO HEAR FROM THAT GUY DOWN THERE ON WHERE WE'RE HEADED WITH THE UTILITIES.

HEY, WE TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYBODY SITTING UP THERE HAS A TOUGH JOB.

YOU GOT EVERYBODY COMING TO YOU WITH THEIR HAND.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AND YOU GOT TO THINK OF THE WHOLE COUNTY WHEN YOU'RE MAKING DECISIONS.

WE GET THAT. I JUST FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, OBVIOUSLY, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GET ALL THE INFORMATION SO YOU CAN MAKE AN INFORMED, INTELLIGENT DECISION.

WE APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S SUPPORT AND THANK YOU.

WELL, MAYBE I'M I MIGHT SPEAK OUT OF TURN.

Y'ALL TELL ME IF I AM.

I MEAN, HONESTLY.

WHAT? WE'RE NOT TAKING A VOTE TONIGHT.

BY NO MEANS. RIGHT.

IS IT COMFORTABLE CAN SAY AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO A VERBAL CONSENSUS, BUT GIVE HIM SOME TYPE OF LEVERAGE TO TAKE BACK TO THESE.

RECRUITS THAT ARE HANGING ON TO SEE HOW TONIGHT WENT.

AS HE INDICATED, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

BECAUSE YOU'RE HANGING HIM OUT HERE WITH HOPES AND SAY SOMETHING DRASTIC COMES UP AND WE JUST PHYSICALLY CAN'T DO IT, THEN WE'RE REALLY LEAVING HIM.

I SAID, IF I SPEAK OUT OF TURN AND SPEAK UP.

NO, I MEAN, I'M JUST BEING HONEST.

IF I GIVE YOU MY WORD, I'M THE TYPE OF PERSON I'M GOING TO STAND BEHIND THAT WORD COME HELL OR HIGH WATER.

AND IF IT BACKFIRES ON ME, THEN I'LL TAKE THE HEAT.

I'LL TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT.

THAT'S ONE. BUT TO LOAD YOU UP AND TELL YOU, YOU'VE GOT TO GO AHEAD AND GO FOR IT.

AND AFTER WE JUST SAT HERE AND SAID, WE WANT TO SEE THE REST OF THE NUMBERS AND ALL TO MAKE SURE WHERE WE'RE AT AND WE'VE GOT OTHER THINGS WE NEED TO LOOK AT, TOO.

I'M NOT SAYING IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

I WILL TELL YOU I WILL SUPPORT IT UNLESS SOMETHING DRASTIC COMES UP WITH THESE NUMBERS LATER ON FROM THE ASSESSMENT ALL.

AND BASED ON WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON WITH THE ECONOMY AROUND HERE, ON WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO OR HOW MUCH WE CAN DO.

[01:00:04]

AND OBVIOUSLY, FROM YOUR FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, YOU NEED TO TRIAGE NEEDS.

AND YOU SPOKE ABOUT UTILITIES AND AND, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU IF YOU LET ME SIT NEXT TO YOU AND I'D HAVE A VOTE, I'D SAY WE WOULD.

COME ON, I'LL GIVE YOU MY SALARY.

YOU CAN HAVE MINE. YOU CAN HAVE MINE.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE YOU HAVE THAT DIFFICULT JOB.

SO AGAIN, THANK YOU.

YES, SIR. BUT PLEASE DON'T GO WITH A NEGATIVE.

IT'S NOT NEGATIVE, GUYS.

IT'S JUST WE FULLY WE TRULY WE APPRECIATE IT.

YOU UNDERSTAND? JUST BEING TOTALLY HONEST.

IT SAYS THE LAST FEASIBLE DATE FOR BORDER ACTION FOR JANUARY 1ST INCREASE IS DECEMBER 13TH.

IS THAT A DATE OF ONE OF OUR MEETINGS? THAT'S THE ONLY MEETING WE HAVE.

THAT'S THE ONLY ONLY MEETING WE HAVE.

WE ONLY HAVE ONE MEETING IN DECEMBER.

SO THAT'S THE DATE THAT WE CAN BRING THIS TO THE TABLE AND MAKE A DECISION THAT BE IS THAT THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE.

THAT'S WHAT I'M COMMITTED, CORRECT? MATT DÉSIR MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY, AS A PATH FORWARD AND WITH THE BLESSING OF THE BOARD, LET ME SUGGEST THIS.

LET ME PLACE IT ON THE BOARD'S AGENDA FOR NOVEMBER 9TH IS A TENTATIVE PLACEHOLDER.

LET ME GET WITH MS..

DREWRY. MR. BRIAN GORDON HERE, THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE.

MS.. DARLENE ROUSEY, COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE.

SEE IF WE CAN PUT TOGETHER SOME PRELIMINARY, VERY EARLY REVENUE NUMBERS FOR FY 24.

BACK OF THE NAPKIN.

IF WE CAN'T, WE CAN BUMP IT TO THE NEXT NOVEMBER MEETING.

IF WE CAN, LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION ON NOVEMBER 9TH.

I'M NOT SURE IF THE NOVEMBER 9TH WOULD EVEN BE POSSIBLE, BUT LET'S HAVE IT AS A BENCHMARK FOR STAFF TO SHOOT FOR 20 ASSESSOR GIVEN HIS SHE SAID AT SOME POINT.

YEAH. MIDDLE OF NOVEMBER IS IS THE THE TERM I GOT FROM HIS OFFICE TODAY.

I'M GOING TO GO SPEAK TO HIM WITH SOMEWHAT OF A HARD NUMBER, SO TO SPEAK.

YEAH. VERSUS BACK IN THE NAPKIN I APPRECIATE YOUR YELLOW POCKET AND NAPKINS.

KIND OF LIKE WHAT I JUST SAID ABOUT BUYING A CAR.

YEAH, WHATEVER. IT'S JUST FOR ME.

I DON'T MIND BUMPING IT UP FOR A WEEK OR I MEAN, A MEETING OR TWO AS FAR AS THAT GOES.

BUT PUT IT ON THE.

SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THE NINTH AND MAYBE WE COULD HEAR IT ON WHAT, THE 23RD? ARE WE MEETING? YEAH, BECAUSE I WAS GONNA SAY WE HAVE A MEETING.

THAT'S THE FOURTH.

THE FOURTH TUESDAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING.

IT'S IF WE HEAR ENOUGH BY THE MIDDLE PART OF NOVEMBER, I MEAN, I'D EVEN POSSIBLY LOOK TO IT TO ACCELERATE IT TO.

YEAH. YEAH, EXACTLY.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

AND IN FACT, I SUPPORT IT.

YEAH, BUT ONCE AGAIN, I'M NOT READY TONIGHT.

I WANT TO HEAR WHAT GOVERNOR HAS TO SAY.

OKAY. SO I THINK THAT'S AN OPTION, TOO, IF WE COULD ADDRESS IT.

THE SECOND MEETING IN NOVEMBER.

YES, MA'AM. SO IT'LL BE BACK ON THE AGENDA ON THE NINTH TENTATIVELY.

AND I'LL I'LL GET WITH STAFF AND SEE WHAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH AS FAR AS PRELIMINARY REVENUES.

HEY, THANK YOU.

GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU ALL SO VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. WE ARE OUT OF TIME FOR OUR WORK SESSION.

IT IS NOW TIME FOR OUR BUSINESS SESSION TO BEGIN.

AND MR. HALTOM, WE WILL BRING YOU TO REPORTS.

WE'RE AT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO MOVE IT TO REPORT.

THAT'S WHAT I SAID. YEAH.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THE WORK SESSION IS COMPLETED AND WE BEGIN OUR BUSINESS SESSION.

[INVOCATION]

HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING JUST TO SAY THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO WAKE UP AND SEE ANOTHER DAY.

A DAY THAT WE'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE.

HEAVENLY FATHER, WE ALSO ASK THIS EVENING TO BE WITH THIS BOARD TONIGHT AS WE ADDRESS SOME VERY PERTINENT ISSUES HERE WITHIN THE COUNTY AND MAKING SOME REALLY STRATEGIC BUSINESS DECISIONS TO HOPEFULLY SET THE COUNTY IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND HIS STAFF.

HEAVENLY FATHER, WE ALSO ASK YOU THIS EVENING TO WATCH OVER AND BLESS EACH OF OUR CITIZENS.

WE ASK YOU TO WATCH ALL OF OUR OVER ALL OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY FOLKS, ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES.

AND HEAVENLY FATHER, WE KNOW THAT WE NEED TO TRUST IN YOU TO LEAD, GUIDE AND DIRECT US.

AND HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING TO ASK ALL OF THIS IN YOUR NAME.

AMEN. AMEN.

MR. HUNTER WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE.

[01:05:01]

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

NOW IS THE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

THIS IS NOT. HAS ANYONE GIVEN YOU ANY INDICATION THEY WANT TO COME FORWARD? NO, MADAM CHAIR.

ALL RIGHT. IF ANYONE WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK TO THE BOARD ABOUT ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE COME FORWARD. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THE PUBLIC HEARING, THAT WILL BE LATER.

ANY OTHER TOPIC MAY BE DISCUSSED.

THERE'S ANYONE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD.

SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD.

I CLOSED THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND WE MOVE ON TO THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.

[ADOPTION OF AGENDA ]

OH, WAIT A MINUTE. WE ALSO NEED TO ADD.

OH, OKAY. OKAY.

YEAH. SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT HIM UNDER REPORTS.

OKAY. HANG ON THEN.

ON THAT MOTION, I'LL WITHDRAW MY MOTION FOR JUST ONE MINUTE.

LET ME GET. WE'RE GOING TO ADD MR. HALTOM TO THE. YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO ADD MR. HOLTHAM ON TO THE REPORTS.

HE WOULD BE AFTER THE BOILER.

IS THAT THE ONLY THING? THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY.

DON'T PUT HIM UP THERE.

DON'T ADD HIM. HE'LL WANT MORE MONEY.

HEY. WHAT NUMBER IS IT? WE'RE ADDING A0000 REPORT.

A0A0. AND THAT'S THE ORDER OF ORDER OF BUSINESS.

TWO ITEMS FOR ORDER OF BUSINESS.

THOSE ARE THE TWO CHANGES TO THE AGENDA.

SORRY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

THE SECOND. I THINK WE HAD A SECOND.

I THINK YOU DID. OH, OKAY.

I DIDN'T KNOW SINCE I WITHDREW MY MOTION.

AND I'LL CHANGE A SECOND TO WHEREVER YOU KNEW IT IS.

OKAY, MR. HUNTER? YES, MR. BROWN? YES, MR. CARMICHAEL. MR. WEBB? YES.

MRS. WAYMACK? YES.

NEXT, WE HAVE TO PROVE THE ORDER OF CONSENSUS.

[ORDER OF CONSENSUS]

NO. AND IF EVERYBODY'S COMFORTABLE WITH THE ONE ITEM OF C ONE, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE ORDER OF CONSENSUS AS PRESENTED.

I'LL SECOND ALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

MR. BROWN. YES, MR. CARMICHAEL. MR. WEBB. YES, MRS. WAYMACK? YES, MR. HORNER? YES. THANK YOU.

THERE ARE NO PRESENTATIONS.

SO WE MOVE ON TO THE SUPERVISORS COMMENTS OR THEIR COMMENTS.

MR. WEBB. OH, MA'AM.

MR. BROWN. NOT TONIGHT, MA'AM.

MR. WARNER. NO, MA'AM.

MR.. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S COMMENTS.

[COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR’S COMMENTS]

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

YOUR REPORTS IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT.

JUST A COUPLE OF ITEMS TO REMEMBER.

ELECTIONS FRIDAY, OCTOBER 28TH IS THE LAST DAY TO REQUEST AN ABSENTEE BALLOT TO BE MAILED TO YOU.

THE REGISTRAR'S OFFICE WILL BE OPEN FOR THE FIRST TIME ON A SATURDAY, OCTOBER 29, FROM 9 A.M.

TO 5:00 PM FOR IN-PERSON ABSENTEE VOTING.

AND OF COURSE, TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 8TH, IS ELECTION DAY.

POLLING LOCATIONS OPEN FROM 6 A.M.

TO 7:00 PM.

COUNTY OFFICES, THE TREASURER'S OFFICE AND THE OFFICE OF THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE WILL BE CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC ON OCTOBER 27TH AND OCTOBER 28, WHILE STAFF UNDERGO TRAINING ON A NEW SOFTWARE SYSTEM THAT IS BEING INSTALLED.

THE SYSTEM UPGRADES WILL OCCUR AND USERS CITIZENS WILL BE UNABLE TO ACCESS THE CITIZENS SELF SERVE BETWEEN OCTOBER 27TH AND NOVEMBER 1ST.

COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE COMPLIANCE WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

HOWEVER, ONLINE SERVICES WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE.

AND PLEASE NOTE THAT ONCE THESE UPGRADES DO OCCUR, THE THIRD PARTY PAYMENT FOR CREDIT CARD PROCESSING FEES WILL RISE FROM 1.4 TO 3%. OCTOBER 29TH IS NATIONAL DRUG TAKEBACK DAY.

[01:10:03]

TO 2:00 PM.

NOVEMBER 2ND IS THE EMPLOYEE WELLNESS FAIR 9 A.M.

TO 4:00 PM AT THE CENTRAL WELLNESS CENTER FOR PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY EMPLOYEES.

AND ON NOVEMBER 4TH THERE IS A BUSINESS SHOW AND JOB FAIR, THE PRINCE GEORGE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, SOCIAL SERVICES AND THE PRINCE GEORGE SCHOOL SYSTEM HAVE PARTNERED TOGETHER TO PUT ON THIS JOB FAIR AT THE CENTRAL WELLNESS CENTER NOVEMBER 4TH FROM 1 TO 3 P.M..

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

THANK YOU, MR. STOKE. WE MOVE ON TO REPORTS, WE HAVE A FARMERS MARKET REPORT BY MRS.

[REPORTS (Part 1 of 3)]

IT'S. GOOD EVENING AGAIN.

GOOD EVENING. AND EVERYONE LOVES A FEEL GOOD STORY.

THIS IS THE FEEL GOOD.

NOT ASKING FOR ANY MONEY HERE.

ALL RIGHT. SO HERE'S THE 2022 WRAP UP.

THIS COMING SATURDAY IS OUR FINAL MARKET OF THE SEASON AND WILL BE OUR FALL FESTIVAL.

SO JUST TO RECAP SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS, IN 2022, WE HAD A VERY STRONG SOCIAL MEDIA PRESENCE.

OUR PAGE IS NOW FOLLOWED BY 2900, WHICH IS UP 745 SINCE THE START OF THE MARKET THIS YEAR.

EVENT DAYS CONTINUE TO ENHANCE OUR TRAFFIC AND ENCOURAGE THE SHOPPING LOCALLY.

WE DID WELCOME PETS BACK TO THE MARKET THIS YEAR, WHICH OF COURSE MADE PEOPLE HAPPY.

YOU CAN SEE THAT IMAGE AT THE TOP.

THEY WERE EXCITED.

WE DID OFFER THIS SEASON TO YOUTH ENTREPRENEURS DAYS, WHICH WERE VERY SUCCESSFUL.

OUR YOUNGEST VENDOR WAS FIVE YEARS OLD.

WE GAVE OUT FREE RECIPES FOR VEGETABLES AND FRUITS THROUGH A PARTNERSHIP WITH VIRGINIA TECH.

WE RECEIVED A GRANT THIS YEAR THAT ALLOWED US TO ADVERTISE SNAP MATCH INCENTIVES TO GET THOSE OUT IN THE MAIL AND DO SOME ADDITIONAL ADVERTISING.

WE DID A MONTHLY KID'S CREATION EVENT THAT REMAINS POPULAR, AND WE CONTINUE TO CREATE OUR PARTNERSHIPS WITH OUR COMMUNITY AND HAVING THEM ATTEND VARIOUS EVENTS THAT WE HELD THIS YEAR. SO OUR VENDORS THIS YEAR, YOU CAN SEE ON AVERAGE EACH MONTH WE DID INCREASE FROM WHERE WE WERE IN 2021 AND IN 2020.

THAT'S JUST KIND OF ADDED AT A GLANCE FOR YOU TO SEE THAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO GROW.

WE DID CONTINUE TO OFFER A VARIETY OF VENDORS THIS YEAR LIKE WE HAVE IN EVERY YEAR PAST.

WE DID BRING IN SOME HEIRLOOM VEGETABLES THIS YEAR, WHICH WAS EXTREMELY POPULAR WITH MONTPELIER FARM.

OUR FINANCIAL DATA, WHICH IS ALWAYS IMPORTANT.

WE DID PROCESS OVER $16,000 IN TRANSACTIONS WITH CREDIT AND DEBIT CARDS.

THAT IS AN INCREASE OF $8,000 FROM LAST YEAR, WHICH IS 104% INCREASE.

WE COLLECTED $5,077 IN VENDOR FEES, WHICH INCREASED BY $456, REPRESENTING 40%.

OUR SNAP MATCH INCENTIVES THAT WE OFFERED AGAIN THIS YEAR WAS $4,198 IN ADDITIONAL FRESH FRUITS AND VEGETABLES THAT WERE PUT INTO THE HOUSEHOLDS OF OUR OUR PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THIS IS AN INCREASE OF 238% OVER 2021.

THAT MONEY WAS REIMBURSED BACK TO US THROUGH A VIRGINIA FRESH MATCH PROGRAM.

$4,258 IN SNAP AND EBT WAS PURCHASED FOR VEGETABLES, MEATS, HONEYS.

YOU CAN SEE THE IMAGE AT THE BOTTOM WAS THROUGH THE GRANT THAT WE RECEIVED.

WE WERE ABLE TO HAND THOSE OUT TO THOSE EBT CUSTOMERS.

THIS YEAR, WITH ALL OF THAT, WE DID INCREASE THOSE SALES OF 217% OVER LAST YEAR.

SO THAT THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THERE, BUT THE GROWTH IS EVIDENT AND I JUST PUT IT THERE SO THAT EVERYONE CAN SEE THAT THAT IS HUGE IN COMPARISON TO WHERE WE WERE IN 2021 AND EVEN IN 2020.

WE HAVE GROWN OUR TOKENS THAT ARE BEING PURCHASED, OUR SNAP, OUR SNAP MATCH.

WE ARE JUST CONTINUING TO SEE GROWTH.

SO JUST TO RECAP SOME OF WHAT WE DID THIS YEAR, OUR JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION WAS NEW THIS YEAR AND IT WAS POPULAR AND HIGHLY ATTENDED.

WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE REVEREND ANDREW WHITE COMING OUT AS OUR KEYNOTE SPEAKER.

MR. HUNTER SPOKE ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD DESTINATION CHURCH, AS YOU SEE THERE, WE HAD A LOT OF OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS THERE.

WE HAD DESTINATION APPOMATTOX LIBRARY, THE ROTARY CLUB, THE AMERICAN LEGION, PPG WOMEN'S CLUB, JAMES HOUSE AND THE EASTERN STAR CAME OUT AND DID SOME THINGS ON JUNETEENTH TO MAKE THAT A SPECIAL DAY.

CHRISTMAS IN JULY AND KIDS DAY WAS HELD ON JULY THE NINTH AND YOU CAN SEE SOME IMAGES FROM THERE.

WE BROUGHT THE TEENY TINY PETTING FARM BACK.

WE CELEBRATED NATIONAL SUGAR COOKIE DAY AND HAD THE KIDS DO SUGAR COOKIES.

[01:15:03]

WORLD SNAKE DAY THAT MAY BE LOVED BY SOME AND HATED BY OTHERS.

BUT WE BROUGHT WORLD SNAKE DAY WITH AWARE WILDLIFE AND THERE WERE REPTILES AND SNAKES.

AND THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE IMAGES FROM THE EVENT THAT DAY.

IT WAS A LOT OF FUN.

NATIONAL EAT AND APPLE DAY WAS PRESENTED THIS YEAR AND WE HAD THE PG WOMAN'S CLUB PARTNER WITH US FOR NATIONAL EAT AND APPLE DAY.

THEY HOSTED EXPANDED VENDORS FOR PROFIT FOR THEMSELVES TO HELP AS A FUNDRAISER FOR THEM.

THEY READ BOOKS TO THE CHILDREN.

THEY HAD COLORING PAGES WITH APPLES.

THE MASTER GARDENERS CAME, GAVE AWAY ABOUT AN $85 VALUED APPLE TREE TO A LUCKY WINNER THAT DAY.

A LOT OF FUN WAS HAD FIRST RESPONDERS.

DAY WAS ANOTHER HUGE SUCCESS FOR US THIS YEAR.

WHAT WE ADDED TO THAT EVENT THIS YEAR IS THAT WE GAVE AWAY MORE THAN 50 SPONSORED DOOR PRIZES FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.

DEPARTMENTS HERE PITCHED IN AND DONATED.

WHAT WE DID WAS WE WE BROUGHT IN COLONIAL HEIGHTS AND THEY BROUGHT IN NOW ON ONE SALARY AND THAT WAS A LOT OF FUN.

DINWIDDIE PARTNERED WITH US ON ONE OF THE IMAGES THERE AND DID A BLOODHOUND DEMONSTRATION.

SO THERE WAS A LOT GOING ON THAT DAY.

WE EVEN HAD A PUBLIC SERVICE PUBLIC SAFETY PARADE WITH A LOT OF PUBLIC SAFETY VEHICLES INVOLVED THERE.

THEN FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS YEAR, WE DID BREAST BREAST CANCER AWARENESS DAY ON OCTOBER THE EIGHTH.

THAT WAS AGAIN, ANOTHER GREAT SUCCESS.

AND WHAT WE DID WAS WE WALKED A LAP, YOU CAN SEE IN THE GROUP IMAGE THERE IN HONOR OF SURVIVORS AND THOSE WHO WERE LOST TO BREAST CANCER.

WE BROUGHT IN TWO BREAST SURGEONS.

WE PARTNERED WITH APPOMATTOX IMAGING TO PROVIDE AND SCHEDULE MAMMOGRAMS. WE COLLECTED HATS AND SCARVES, TWO BOXES OF THOSE, AND RAISED OVER $225 THAT DAY THAT WAS DONATED TO LOCAL CANCER PATIENTS.

SO WE THANK BONDS, OF COURSE, AND HCA FOR THEIR ASSISTANCE TO MAKE IT SUCCESSFUL.

AND THEN THESE ARE SOME IMAGES FROM LAST YEAR, BECAUSE THIS EVENT WILL BE HELD THIS SATURDAY.

WE HOPE EVERYONE CAN COME OUT.

WE ARE PROMOTING BIG ON SOCIAL MEDIA ALREADY FOR THIS, BUT THEY A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE DONATED CANDY AND AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF TO HELP US WITH THIS EVENT.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ABOUT TEN GAMES GOING ON WITH PRIZES AND FUN FOR THE KIDS AND THEN THE MONTHLY KIDS CREATIONS.

THESE ARE JUST SOME IMAGES AND SHOWING YOU A LITTLE BIT OF WHO SPONSORED WHAT THIS YEAR.

NONE OF THAT COST US ANYTHING.

ALL OF OUR VENDORS CHIP IN AND SPONSOR ALL OF THESE EVENTS.

WE WORK WITH MASTER GARDENERS, SO THAT'S A LOT OF FUN.

AND THEN MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHAT ARE OUR GOALS MOVING FORWARD? SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS I HAVE MET WITH MR. STOKE AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE SENIOR MARKET NUTRITION PROGRAM THROUGH DAR'S, WHICH IS DEPARTMENT OF AGING AND REHABILITATIVE SERVICES, AND WE ARE WORKING ON BRINGING IN A SENIOR CITIZEN PROGRAM WHERE THE AGES OF 60 AND OLDER HAVE TO MEET INCOME REQUIREMENTS, BUT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THEM $45 IN VOUCHERS THAT THEY CAN SPEND ON FRESH FRUITS AND VEGETABLES AT OUR MARKET.

I AM VERY PROUD OF THIS PROGRAM AND HOPE THAT WE CAN SEE IT THROUGH.

THE ONLY ONE AROUND US THAT IS DOING IT IS IN PEORIA.

SO WE WILL BE THE FIRST IN THE TRI-CITIES TO OFFER SUCH A PROGRAM.

WE'RE ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF EXPLORING A HEALTHY EATING PROGRAM FOR KIDS THAT WOULD BE PARTNERED PARTNERSHIP THROUGH MOLINA HEALTH CARE.

THAT WOULD BE NO COST TO US AS WELL TO PROVIDE VOUCHERS FOR PROGRAMS THAT WE WOULD OFFER FOR THE KIDS AND WE WOULD HAVE SOMEBODY DO THAT.

CONTINUE TO SEARCH FOR DAIRY AND BREAD AND PRODUCE.

THAT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO.

WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE OUR KIDS CREATIONS THROUGH NEXT SEASON.

WE'RE GOING TO OFFER YOUTH ENTREPRENEURSHIP OPPORTUNITIES.

WE WILL BE ADDING A TEACHER APPRECIATION EVENT IN MAY OF 2023 AND EXPLORING OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO BRING THE COMMUNITY OUT.

WE WILL BE LOOKING FOR LIVE MUSIC OPPORTUNITIES THAT WILL COST US NOTHING.

WE WILL BE CONTINUE IN STORYTIME WITH FREE BOOK GIVEAWAY EVERY WEEK, AND THAT'S SPONSORED THROUGH APPOMATTOX REGIONAL LIBRARY FOR THE BOOKS.

AND THEN WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE OUR SCHOOL VOLUNTEERS TO PARTICIPATE.

I DO REACH OUT VERY HEAVILY TO THEM THIS TIME OF THE YEAR TO START FOR NEXT YEAR BECAUSE WHAT WE LIKE TO DO IS TRY TO MENTOR THE YOUTH.

WE WANT TO TRAIN THEM ON CUSTOMER SERVICE.

WE WANT TO GIVE THEM THE EXPOSURE AND EXPERIENCE TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN THE WORKPLACE.

AND AT THE END OF IT, I AM MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK WITH THEM TO CREATE THEIR RESUMES AND OFFER THEM HELP, OFFER THEM OPPORTUNITIES FOR EMPLOYMENT SOMEWHERE.

AND THEN WE DO WANT TO KEEP THE VENDOR STRUCTURE THE SAME FOR 2023.

SO WE WOULD ASK FOR NO CHANGES THERE.

ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK MY DEBIT CARD WAS PROBABLY 15 OF THAT 16, WASN'T IT? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH.

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VERY GOOD. AND HE TRUST KIDS TO PROCESS HIS DEBIT CARD, TOO.

YEAH, THAT'S VERY INTERESTING.

NO, YOU GUYS DID A YOU DID A GREAT JOB THIS YEAR.

I'M USUALLY AT THE MARKET.

I THINK I PROBABLY MISSED MORE SATURDAYS THIS YEAR THAN I EVER HAVE.

BUT I ENJOY JUST COMING TO THE MARKET, JUST SEEING EVERYBODY.

SO BUT I USUALLY END UP WALKING AWAY WITH MANY BAGS IN MY ARM.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU DO.

IT'S A GREAT REPORT. YEAH, THANK YOU.

WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU.

NEXT, WE HAVE THE BALLER UPDATE, MR. SIMMONS. YOU CAN ONLY GIVE US AN UPDATE IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ASK FOR MONEY.

MADAM CHAIR, A MEMBER OF THE BOARD, MRS. DOUGLAS WHITTEN.

GOOD EVENING. AND I'M NOT ASKING FOR MONEY TONIGHT, BUT I'M JUST GIVING YOU A HEADS UP THAT WE'LL PROBABLY NEED SOME IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

WE HAVE OUR BOWLERS MAINTAINED EVERY YEAR.

WE DO MAINTENANCE ON OUR BOWLERS, AND THIS YEAR DURING OUR THE PROCESS OF GETTING OUR BOWLERS MAINTENANCE, THE VENDOR THAT DOES OUR MAINTENANCE HAD SOME CONCERNS WITH OUR BOWLERS.

THE BOWLERS ARE 20 YEARS OLD.

AND SO HE CALLED IN THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM LOCHABER, WHICH IS THE TYPE OF BOWLERS THAT WE HAVE, AND THEY LOOK AT OUR BOWLERS AND GAVE US A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED SOON.

THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD GET THROUGH THIS YEAR.

SO WE HAD HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. STOKES AND MR. DREWRY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO START BUDGETING FOR IT NEXT YEAR.

IN THE MEANTIME, ONE OF THE BOWLERS NEEDED A BURNER REPLACED IN IT, SO WE REPLACED THE BOWLER TO GET HIS THREE THIS WINTER.

THE BOWLER, THE BURNER IN THAT BOWLER HAD AN MALFUNCTION, TO SAY THE LEAST.

SO WE'RE DOWN. ONE BOWLER, THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM LOCKERBIE, IS LOOKING AT IT AGAIN.

I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY ANYTHING OFFICIAL, BUT I WAS TOLD OVER A PHONE CONVERSATION TODAY THAT THEY DON'T THINK THAT BOWLER IS EVEN GOING TO BE REPAIRABLE FOR THE WINTER.

SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT REPLACING BOTH OF THE BOWLERS AND MAYBE I'M RESEARCHING IF WE CAN DO IT IN A STAGE WHERE WE CAN DO ONE BOWLER AND THEN DO THE OTHER BOWLER IF WE CAN SHUT THE SYSTEM DOWN THAT WAY.

I HAVE A MEETING THIS LATER THIS WEEK WITH A REPRESENTATIVE TO GIVE US EXACT GIVE US A GAME PLAN OF WHERE WE'RE HEADED WITH THIS.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO COME TO THE BOARD TONIGHT TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THE BACKSTORY OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE BOWLERS.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE REDUNDANCY, WE HAVE TWO BOWLERS, BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NO REDUNDANCY.

WE HAVE ONE BOWLER.

WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THIS BOWLER.

IT'S PROBABLY THE WORST ONE OF THE TWO UNTIL THIS OTHER ONE MALFUNCTIONED AND WE'RE HAVING TO RESET IT WEEKLY.

BUT I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP WHERE WE'RE HEADED WITH THAT.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REPLACE THE BOWLERS.

WE WERE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT IN THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE, BUT IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE DONE THIS WINTER IF WE WANT TO HAVE HEAT IN THIS BUILDING.

SO ANY QUESTIONS? ROUGH ESTIMATE. 100,000.

FOR THE ONE. NOT FOR BOTH.

FOR BOTH. IS THAT A CLEAR TRANSSHIPMENT OR REBUILD TOTAL REPLACEMENT OF THE BOWLERS THEMSELVES.

ARE THESE TWO BEN SHOW ARE JUST.

WELL, THEY SET UP THE INTERNALS ON THIS JUST.

THEY'RE IN THE LOOP, YOU KNOW, IN THE LOOP, SO.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

IS THAT WHINING NOISE YOU HEAR WHEN YOU GO OUT THE DOOR? THAT'S AN AIR HANDLER THAT.

OH, THAT'S IT'S A THAT'S ACTUALLY A IT'S PULLING SO MUCH VACUUM ON IT.

WHEN THIS BUILDING WAS DESIGNED, THEY IT HAS SCREENS BEHIND THOSE LOUVERS DOWN THERE.

THERE'S NO WAY TO GET TO THE SCREENS.

THERE'S YOU CAN'T REMOVE THE LOUVERS.

THERE'S A BUILDING TO THE BUILDING AND THEN THE DUCTWORK IS BUILT INTO THE BEHIND IT.

SO WE'RE COMING UP WITH A WAY RIGHT NOW IT'S THOSE SCREENS HAVE GOTTEN SO DIRTY, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN MAINTAINED.

AND IT'S PULLING THE VACUUM SO HARD ON THE UNIT, IT'S ACTUALLY CAUSING A VIBRATION AROUND IT.

WE CAN OPEN A DOOR INSIDE AND MAKE IT STOP MAKING THAT WHISTLING OR THAT NOISE.

BUT YEAH, WE'RE WORKING ON COMING UP WITH A PLAN ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT NOISE BY AN ENGINEERING JOB.

PUT IT IN. DON'T FIGURE OUT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN IT.

YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTION? NO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR. MR. HALTOM, WE'LL HAVE YOU NEXT TO REPORT.

HE'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE.

OH, HE IS. PUBLIC HEARINGS AT 7:30.

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I'M SORRY. WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE YOU JUST YET, BUT WE WON'T FORGET YOU.

I DON'T THINK YOU CAN BE DONE IN 5 MINUTES.

NO, WE KNOW WHAT HE NEEDS.

WE'VE GOT A PUBLIC HEARING COMING UP SOON.

SO NOW WE WANT TO GO TO THE DISCUSSION OF A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO CAST THE VOTE FOR PRINCE GEORGE IN

[ORDER OF BUSINESS (Part 1 of 3)]

MADAM CHAIR, I THINK IN THE LAST MEETING WE HAD CHOSEN YOU TO BE THE BACKUP.

AND I UNDERSTAND YOU CAN'T MAKE IT.

SO, MR. HUNTER, BEING THE VICE CHAIR, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT MR. HUNTER WOULD BE LISTED AS THE BACKUP TO MR. STOKE. I'LL SECOND THAT ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE FREE FOR THAT DATE.

DO WE KNOW WHAT DATE? YEAH, IT'S THE 14TH AND 15TH, RIGHT? THAT'S ONLY IF MR. STOKES CAN'T BE THERE.

YEAH. IT'S JUST OUR VOTING REPRESENTATIVE AT THE AT THE CONFERENCE.

BUT WE'RE ALL GOING.

WE'RE GOING TO. SO IF HE CAN'T MAKE IT THAT DAY, WE'RE ALL RIDING WITH HIM.

SO IF HE CAN'T MAKE IT, WE WON'T MAKE ALL THE ROLL.

PLEASE. WE'VE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND.

MR. CARMICHAEL.

MR. WEBB? YES? THIS IS WAYMACK.

YES, MR. HUNTER.

YES. MR. BRYAN.

YES. NEXT WE GO TO A ONE THE DRAFT MINUTES FOR OCTOBER THE 11TH, THE REGULAR MEETING.

TAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE MOST PRESENTED.

I SECOND. OH, GO AHEAD. MR..

NO, GO AHEAD, SIR. MR..

WEBB. SECOND. THANK YOU.

COLD ROLLED, PLEASE.

MR. WEBB, YES? MS. WAYMACK.

YES. MR. HUNTER? YES, MR. BROWN.

YES, MR. CARMICHAEL? YES. A TWO RESOLUTION, A REVISION TO PERSONNEL POLICY SECTION MRS HURT.

GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MADAM CHAIR.

MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS POLICY AND FEELS IT WOULD BE BEST TO REMOVE THE LANGUAGE THAT'S CURRENTLY INCLUDED IN SECTION 1.4.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE GRIEVANCE PROCEDURES HAVE CHANGED AND THERE IS NO LONGER A PANEL THAT'S APPOINTED BY THE BOARD SINCE THERE'S ALREADY LANGUAGE INCLUDED IN OUR GRIEVANCE POLICY UNDER SECTIONS 30.13 30.7 REGARDING THE RIGHT TO GRIEVE.

THE CURRENT LANGUAGE IS NO LONGER NEEDED.

I'VE INCLUDED A RESOLUTION IN YOUR PACKET TONIGHT AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS.

IT'S STRAIGHTFORWARD. I THINK IT'S VERY CLEAR.

YES, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

WE ACCEPT A RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED.

AND SECOND. THANK YOU.

CALL ROLL, PLEASE.

MR. WEBB. YES.

MR. CARMICHAEL? YES.

MR. BROWN. YES.

MR. HUNTER? YES.

MS. WAYMACK? YES. ON TO A THREE RESOLUTION REVISION TO PERSONNEL POLICIES ENTITLED TO LEAVE? MRS. HURT. YES, MA'AM.

MADAM CHAIR. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE LEAVE POLICY, AND WE WOULD PROPOSE THE FOLLOWING CHANGES UNDER SECTION 24.4 SICK LEAVE.

WE'RE ADDING NUMBER FOUR SO THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT A FATHER CAN USE SICK LEAVE FOR BONDING TIME WITH THEIR CHILD.

THAT'S FOR CLARITY.

THERE'S BEEN SOME CONFUSION ON THAT SECTION 24.7.

WE HAVE DONE A CHARITABLE GIVING CAMPAIGN FOR YEARS, BUT HAVE NEVER HAD A POLICY ON CHARITABLE GIVING AND WHAT IT'S DEFINED AS.

SO WE'VE ADDED THAT BECAUSE WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF MAKING OTHER CHANGES TO THE LEAVE POLICY, WE FELT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO ADD THIS TITLE IN THERE.

UNDER SECTION 24.11 MILITARY LEAVE.

WE REVISED THAT PIECE TO MATCH THE CODE OF VIRGINIA TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF DAYS FOR MILITARY LEAVE FROM 15 TO 21 PER FEDERAL FISCAL YEAR.

THIS WAS COVERED IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY UPDATE PROVIDED BY MR. WHITTEN AND THE CHANGE DID GO INTO EFFECT FOR JULY.

SO WE ARE REVIEWING, REVISING OUR POLICY TO CAPTURE THAT CHANGE.

AND THEN LASTLY, ON SECTION 24.15, UNDER THE FMA, WE ARE JUST MAKING CERTAIN THAT WE'RE EMPHASIZING THAT IT'S A ROLLING CALENDAR YEAR THAT WE USE IN THAT FIRST PARAGRAPH, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO INCLUDING LANGUAGE ABOUT INTERMITTENT LEAVE AND CLARIFYING THAT A WORKWEEK IS 40 HOURS FOR FULL TIME EMPLOYEES AND 53 HOURS FOR FIRE AND EMS BECAUSE THAT IS THEIR WORKWEEK.

IN THAT 28 DAY CYCLE, WE REMOVE THE CATEGORY OF LEAVE TYPES WHERE YOU SEE THAT CROSS THROUGH.

AND WE HAVE JUST STATED ACCUMULATED LEAVE BECAUSE WE DO OFFER ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE, CHARITABLE LEAVE IN ALL KINDS OF LEAVES.

SO RATHER THAN COMING BACK TO THE BOARD TO MAKE CHANGES ON WHAT CATEGORY OF LEAVE WE CAN USE, WE JUST SAY LEAVE TO COVER ALL TYPES THAT THE EMPLOYER MAY HAVE ACCUMULATED.

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QUESTION. ANY QUESTIONS? NO, MA'AM. NO, MA'AM. MADAM CHAIR, IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, I WOULD SO MOVE THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THE CHANGES TO THE PERSONNEL POLICY AS STATED.

I SECOND.

CALL ROLL, PLEASE. MR. CARMICHAEL. YES, MR. BROWN? YES, MR. HUNTER? YES.

MS. WAYMACK? YES.

MR. WEBB? YES.

7:30. SEVEN.

GO FOR IT. WE NEXT BECAUSE IT'S 730 AND IT'S THE MAGIC HOUR.

[PUBLIC HEARINGS ]

E1 REZONING.

GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR.

GOOD EVENING. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

MR. STOKE. MR. WHITTEN. THIS EVENING'S FIRST REQUEST P1 IS A REZONING REQUEST OF MAT MAT.

DEVELOPMENTS TO CONDITIONALLY REZONE APPROXIMATELY TEN ACRES FROM M1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO M2.

GENERAL INDUSTRIAL.

AND THE PURPOSE OF THE REZONING IS TO PROVIDE A LOCATION FOR OVERFLOW TRACTOR TRAILER PARKING FOR E-COMMERCE FULFILLMENT, TRANSPORTATION SERVICES AND THE PROPERTY IS OFF OF REIS ROAD ON THE EAST SIDE OF CORPORATE LANE ON THE BORDER WITH THE CITY OF PETERSBURG.

IT IS IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA WITH SEVERAL BUSINESSES THERE AS WELL AS YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION FACILITY THERE AS WELL. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP INDICATES THAT THE PROPERTY IS PLANNED FOR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.

THIS HERE SHOWS THIS MAP, SHOWS THE LOCATION.

AND THE TAX MAP AT THE PROPERTY IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.

THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.

IN IS COVERED IN TREES.

THAT IS THE FORMER TITMUS BUILDING ABOVE IT.

HERE IS A ZONING MAP OF THE AREA.

THE LIGHT GRAY SHOWS THE INDUSTRIAL AREAS.

YOU SEE SOME BUSINESS AREAS AS WELL AS SOME GRAY AREAS.

THIS HERE IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT SHOWS THAT THE AREA DOWN CORPORATE LANE IS DESIGNED TO BE AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.

THIS IS A REQUEST SUMMARY OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.

THE PARKING OF TRACTOR TRAILERS FOR E-COMMERCE IS FITS THE DEFINITION IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE AS A TRUCK TERMINAL CENTER.

THAT USE IS DEFINED IN MX TWO, WHERE THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY NOW M ONE.

SO THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE FROM WM ONE TO M2.

THEY HAVE INCLUDED A CONCEPTUAL PLAN WHICH IS IN YOUR PACKET AND WE'LL SHOW HERE IN JUST A SLIDER TWO.

IT CALLS FOR 169 PARKING SPACES TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON THE PROPERTY.

10 TO 15 TRAILERS WOULD MOVE IN AND OUT OF THIS FACILITY DAILY, 1 TO 2 TRAILERS MOVING IN AND OUT OF THE SITE DURING PEAK HOURS.

THERE ARE NO STRUCTURES PLANNED FOR CONSTRUCTION AT THIS TIME, AND NO EXTENSIONS OF PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER ARE PLANNED OR USED AT THIS TIME. THEY DID PROFFER SOME VOLUNTARY PROFFERS IN.

THE STATEMENT IS INCLUDED WITH THE REZONING REQUEST.

THIS IS THE ENGINEERED CONCEPTUAL DRAWING OF THE PARKING AREA PROPOSED FOR THE SITE, AND IT DOES INCLUDE STORMWATER RETENTION FACILITIES AS WELL AS A PARKING SERVICE SURFACE DESIGN.

THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE SIMILAR SITE BY THE APPLICANT IN CHESTERFIELD COUNTY.

THEY DO HAVE A PARTICULAR METHOD OF THEIR SURFACE TREATMENT TO MAINTAIN DUST AND PROPER WEIGHT FOR THE TRACTOR TRAILERS.

THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING STAFF REVIEW COMMENTS.

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THESE ARE THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THOSE COMMENTS.

IT IS CONSIDERED A TRUCK TERMINAL AND THE EXPECTED IMPACTS OF THAT USE ARE MINIMAL BASED ON THE TRAFFIC GENERATION STUDY AND BASED ON THE EXISTING TRAFFIC VOLUMES FOR THE INDUSTRIAL AREA.

VDOT HAS LOOKED AT THIS AND HAS DETERMINED THAT NEITHER A LEFT TURN LANE NOR A RIGHT TURN LANE IS WARRANTED.

AT THE INTERSECTION WITH REEVE'S ROAD AND NO OTHER ROAD IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN REQUIRED.

PART OF THE ROAD IS IN THE CITY OF PETERSBURG, AND WE DID SHARE THIS CASE REQUEST WITH PETERSBURG AND DID NOT RECEIVE ANY REQUIREMENTS OR NEGATIVE COMMENTS FROM THE CITY OF PETERSBURG.

THE PROPOSED USE DOES APPEAR TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING SURROUNDING USES, WHICH INCLUDES SOME DISTRIBUTION CENTERS, SOME MANUFACTURING, AS WELL AS THE PETERSBURG DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES BUILDING, WHICH IS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

THE PROPOSED ZONING DISTRICT AND LAND USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE, AGAIN, AS THE FUTURE LAND USE DOES INDICATE, SUITABLE FOR INDUSTRIAL AREAS.

AS NORMAL. WE DO REQUESTS AND SOLICIT STAFF, REVIEW COMMENTS FROM VARIOUS OUR DEPARTMENTS AS WELL AS STATE AGENCIES.

AGAIN, THE FULL REPORTS ARE IN YOUR PACKET, BUT THESE ARE THE HIGHLIGHTS.

AGAIN, VDOT HAS NO OBJECTIONS.

DO UTILITIES IF.

IF REQUIRED IN THE FUTURE, WOULD COME FROM THE CITY OF PETERSBURG FOR WATER AND THE SEWER WOULD BE PROVIDED BY THE COUNTY.

THE PROFFERED CONDITIONS WHICH ARE CONTAINED IN YOUR PACKET HAVE LISTED USES THAT THEY ARE PROFFERING AS NON USES FOR THIS PROPERTY, WHICH MEANS IN THE FUTURE THIS THESE TYPES OF USES WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED WITHOUT A CHANGE.

TO THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION AND WOULD REQUEST WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THE BOARD.

THEY HAVE ALSO PROFFERED A NATURAL BUFFER TO MITIGATE ANY VISUAL IMPACTS OF THE PROPOSED USE WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

THE STAFF AND PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDATIONS ARE INCLUDED AND BOTH ARE FOR APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN YOUR DRAFT ORDINANCE.

AND THE REASONS AND THE RATIONALE FOR APPROVAL HAVE BEEN LISTED HERE FOR YOUR REVIEW.

AT THIS TIME. I'VE INTERRUPTED YOU.

CAN I CONTINUE? YES, THE ONE SECOND.

YES, SIR. SO I CAN.

DISTRICT ONE. OF COURSE, MR. BROWN KNOWS AS WELL AS PROBABLY ALL OF US ABOUT THE TRUCK TRAFFIC DOWN THIS ROAD HEADED TOWARD THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY, IF WE'RE LEAVING RIDGE ROAD, HEADED TOWARD PETERSBURG, IT'S THE LEFT HAND TURN BEFORE YOU GET TO THE BRIDGE.

CORRECT. TO 95.

IF I'M GOING TOWARD PETERSBURG ON REEVES ROAD, IT'S THE.

YES I TAKE THE LEFT TO GO TO ALL YOU TURN LEFT.

BUT IT'S AFTER 95, AFTER THE OTHER CELL IN THE PETERSBURG SIDE OF THE RIVER, ON THE PETERSBURG SIDE, IT IS THE FIRST ROAD COMING OUT OF PETERSBURG. BUT IN FACT, PART OF THE ROAD IS ACTUALLY IN PETERSBURG.

YOU DON'T COME INTO PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY UNTIL YOU'RE DOWN CORPORATE ROAD A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE I NOTICE AND THE ONLY REASON I INTERRUPTED YOU, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR, YOU SAID ONLY ONE OR TWO TRAILERS WILL PROBABLY BE MOVED DURING PEAK SEASON.

PEAK HOURS IN YOUR PEAK HOURS, DAYLIGHT HOURS DURING THE DAY.

IS IT A POSSIBILITY THEY'LL BE MOVING 20 TRAILERS AT NIGHT DOWN RIDGE ROAD, HEADED BACK TOWARD THE COUNTY, CAUSING THE ISSUES WITH THE RESIDENTS.

AND WHAT WE HAVE IN HERE TODAY THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.

IT'S A MAXIMUM OF 10 TO 15 PER DAY, WHICH I WOULD ASSUME IS A 24 HOUR DAY.

BUT THEY COULD GO AT NIGHT AND THEY CAN USE RIDGE ROAD AND HEAD TOWARD 460.

YES. I'M SORRY.

GO AHEAD. THE FIRST INTERSTATE FROM THE SITE IS IS 95.

95 IS BASICALLY IMMEDIATELY.

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YOU GO PAST I THINK IT WAS THE MOTEL AND IT'S A LITTLE MOTEL, BRICK MOTEL ON THE LEFT.

RIGHT. YOU CAN GET NORTH OR SOUTHBOUND RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S WHERE THAT BAD SOUTHBOUND EXIT IS.

YES, THE EXIT.

AND VDOT IS WORKING ON THAT.

YEAH, I HEARD THAT.

AND I KNOW WE CAN'T MAKE IT HAPPEN BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO TRAVEL THESE ROADS UNLESS THEY'RE RESTRICTED BY VDOT OR FOR WHATEVER REASON.

AND I HOPE THEY TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE GET TODAY, THE BACK UP OF THE TRAFFIC AT THE RAILROAD TRACKS AS WELL.

AND WE'VE BEEN ASKED SEVERAL TIMES TO LOOK AT A STUDY FOR TRACTOR TRAILERS TAKEN OR EVEN ROAD DOWN TOWARD 460.

AND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT.

WE LEFT IT TO DOT'S HANDS.

AND BECAUSE WE'RE PART OF IT'S PETERSBURG, THEY WOULD HAVE TO AGREE AS WELL FOR ANY CHANGES.

BUT HOPEFULLY THE APPLICANT WILL TAKE THAT A CONSIDERATION AND JUMP ON THE CLOSEST INTERSTATE THEY CAN GET TO TRY TO RELIEVE US OF ANY EXTRA PHONE CALLS AND PROBLEMS WITH THE RESIDENTS AT NIGHT HAVING TO HEAR THE JAKE BRAKE AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT COMES WITH MOVING TRACTOR TRAILERS.

SORRY FOR THE INTERRUPTION, THOUGH, SIR.

THANK YOU. I WAS AT THE END OF MY PRESENTATION AND HERE TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE? I AM COVERING FOR MR. GREEN THIS EVENING.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE? YES. ALL RIGHT. DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO SPEAK? APPARENTLY SO.

I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, MRS. WALTON.

MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

MY NAME IS PRESTON LLOYD.

I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH WILLIAMS MULLIN.

ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, I'M JOINED BY ALAN JONES WITH MATT DEVELOPMENT.

HE'S THE PRINCIPAL.

AND AS STATED, CERTAINLY WE'VE NOTED THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED AND WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PRESENT SET REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS ON BEHALF OF HOW DRIVERS CAN RESPECT THE FEEDBACK THAT THIS BODY HAS BEEN RECEIVING FROM YOUR CONSTITUENTS.

WELL, IT'S JUST BEEN A CONTINUOUS PROBLEM FOR YEARS ABOUT THE TRACTOR TRAILER TRAFFIC THAT WE SEE, NOT JUST THAT AREA, A FEW AREAS AND WE DON'T WANT TO I PERSONALLY I CAN'T SPEAK FOR IT.

I DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN AS A PROVING SOMETHING TO ADD MORE CONGESTED NESS TO THAT AREA.

KNOWING IS ALREADY A PROBLEM AND WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

JUST A COMMON COURTESY OF THE APPLICANT TO TRY THEIR BEST TO.

KEEP OUR PHONE CALLS KIND OF QUIET DURING THOSE TIMES AND NOT ADD ANY FUEL TO THE FIRE THAT WE CAN'T SEEM TO PUT OUT ANYWAY.

BECAUSE IT'S OUT OF OUR CONTROL.

BUT WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR, AND I THINK THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN.

IT'S JUST A COURTESY IS ALL.

THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING.

I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT IF YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED THE AREA ALREADY, WHEN THAT TRAIN BLOCKS THE REEDS ROAD RAILROAD CROSSING, I HAVE SEEN TRAFFIC BACKED UP FROM THAT CROSSING BACK TO WHERE RIDGE ROAD CROSSES OVER TO 95.

I'VE SEEN TRAFFIC SIT THERE 40, 45 MINUTES.

AND SO I DON'T THINK THE DRIVERS HAULING ANYTHING WOULD WANT TO GET CAUGHT UP IN THAT.

THEIR BEST ROUTE WOULD BE IS TO GO.

NOW IF THEY WANT TO GET THERE FOR 60, GO 95, GET OFF ON WAGNER ROAD AND GO OVER THAT WAY OR HIT THE 295 TO 460.

YEAH, I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THAT UNLESS YOU I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY IT GETS MISCONSTRUED SOMETIMES.

SO FOR E COMMERCE, THESE TRAILERS SIT 9 TO 10 MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR.

SO THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT MOVING.

THIS IS THE PLACE FOR TRAILERS JUST TO SIT IDLE UNTIL WHAT IS TERMED IS THE PEAK SEASON WHEN AMAZON'S THE WAL-MARTS REQUIRE EXTRA CAPACITY.

SO THESE TRAILERS ARE NOT GOING TO BE JUST HEADING DOWN THIS ROAD CONSTANTLY EVERY DAY.

THEY'RE JUST GOING TO SIT THERE IDLE.

IT'S A DROP YARD. IT'S A DROP YARD.

AND THEN DURING PEAK SEASON, THEY COME OUT, THEY GO INTO THE FLOW OF COMMERCE.

AND WHEN THAT'S OVER IN JANUARY, THEY COME RIGHT BACK AND THEY SIT AND YOU'LL HAVE DRIVE VANS AND REEFER UNITS AS WELL.

JUST DRIVE INS. YES, SIR.

SO NO, NO NOISE FROM REEFER UNITS.

BUT YEAH, THAT IS A PROBLEM.

I MEAN, I DRIVE MYSELF EVERY DAY.

I'VE BEEN HAULING SAYING THAT TO CHARLES CITY ALL DAY, SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA.

BUT WHERE THE TRUCK STOPS ARE POSITIONED, THAT'S WHAT'S CAUSING A LOT OF YOUR PROBLEM FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE.

IT'S JUST NOBODY WANTS TO GO FOR 60 IN THE PETERSBURG AND THEY CUT OVER.

OH, IT'S GETTING REALLY BAD.

YEAH. YEAH. SO IT'S HARD TO AVOID.

I DON'T KNOW. I FEEL YOUR PAIN, BUT.

IT'S THE WAY IT'S THE WAY YOU'RE RALLYING FOR BEING DISTRICT ONE.

BUT, MR. BROWN, YOU KNOW, AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE, ALL THESE COUNTERPARTS WILL GET CALLS AS WELL ABOUT THAT ISSUE.

BUT. THIS IS ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO ADD ANYTHING TO YOU.

[01:45:05]

YEAH. YEAH, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING.

YEAH. YOU ASSUME IT'S THE TRUCK TERMINAL.

[INADIBLE] IN AND OUT EVERY NINE MONTHS? THE TRAILER DOESN'T LEAVE. IT JUST SITS THERE.

GOTCHA. I UNDERSTAND.

YEAH, THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.

YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

IT'S GOOD TO KNOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IF NO ONE ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK, THEN I'LL CLOSE THAT PORTION AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

DOES ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL? IF SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

SEEING NO ONE COMING FORWARD.

I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TURN IT BACK TO THE BOARD.

MADAM CHAIR, IF NONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AND HEARING THE EXPLANATION, THEY ARE, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR THE CONDITIONAL REZONING REQUEST.

I'LL SECOND. THAT. MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, IT'S ACTUALLY NOT A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.

THIS IS A REZONING. OH, I'M SORRY.

REZONING REQUESTS? YES. AND I SECOND THAT, TOO.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

MR. WHITTEN. CALL ROLL, PLEASE.

MR. BROWN? YES, MR. HUNTER? YES, MS. WAYMACK. YES, MR. WEBB? YES, MR. CARMICHAEL? YES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

YOU CAN'T GO ANYWHERE.

YOU HAVE TO STAY THERE.

OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING IS P TWO.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. MR. STOKE. MR. WHITTEN AGAIN.

I'M JULIE WALTON. I AM SUBSTITUTING TONIGHT FOR MR. GREEN. HE DOES HAVE A FAMILY MEDICAL CHALLENGE.

SO YOU WILL SEE ME FOR A FEW TIMES IN HIS STEAD.

THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION REQUEST SE 22-09 IS A REQUEST OF DANIEL DAVIS TRADING AS GRAND SLAM LLC, WHO IS A PROSPECTIVE BUYER OF A OFFICE STRUCTURE IN THE RAVENSWOOD OFFICE POP PARK.

AND HIS REQUEST IS TO TO PERMIT A SPECIAL CARE HOSPITAL FACILITY, WHICH IS FURTHER DEFINED AS A DAY SUPPORT FACILITY WITHIN AB1 GENERAL BUSINESS ZONING DISTRICT.

THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW A DAY SUPPORT FACILITY TO OPERATE IN THE EXISTING BUILDING AND PROVIDE SUPPORT SERVICES FOR PERSONS WITH MENTAL, PHYSICAL AND EMOTIONAL CHALLENGES.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS A BUILDING THAT CURRENTLY CONSISTS OF THREE SEPARATE COMMERCIAL CONDO UNITS TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 3200 SQUARE FEET.

THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR FUTURE LAND USE MAP INDICATES THE PROPERTY IS PLANNED FOR COMMERCIAL USES WITHIN OUR COMMERCIAL USE BE ONE SPECIAL CARE FACILITY IS ALLOWED BY SPECIAL EXCEPTION, SO ALL SPECIAL CARE FACILITIES HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION WITHIN THE B1 ZONING DISTRICT.

THIS MAP IS A LOCATION MAP AND SHOWS THE LOCATION OF THE RAVENSWOOD OFFICE PARK, WHICH IS NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF BIRDSONG ROAD AND SOUTH CRATER ROAD.

ON THIS MAP, THE BUILDING IN QUESTION IS OUTLINED IN RED.

THIS IS THE ZONING MAP FOR THE AREA.

THE AREAS IN DARK RED ARE ALL BIG ONES.

THE BRIGHT YELLOW IS OUR ONE AND ONE IS THE GRAY TO THE REAR OF THE OFFICE PARK.

AND OUR A IS LOCATED AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER OF YOUR MAP.

THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE OFFICE COMPLEX.

AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE THERE ARE THREE MAIN BUILDINGS AND PARKING AREAS IN THE FRONT AND IN THE BACK.

AND WHICH ONES WILL HE BE OCCUPYING? THE ONES. WITH THE BLUE.

WAS IT THE BLUE WITH THE BLUE? THANK YOU, MR. HUNTER. I'M GLAD.

THANK YOU. SINCE A SUMMARY OF THE APPLICANTS REQUEST AND THEIR GOALS.

AND AGAIN, THE FULL PACKET IS LOCATED IN YOUR BOOK TONIGHT.

BUT THE APPLICANT'S GOAL IS TO PROVIDE A PROGRAM INTENDED TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE DIAGNOSED WITH INTELLECTUAL

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FURTHER DETAILS OF THE APPLICANT REQUEST ARE LISTED AS WELL.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO USE TWO OF THE THREE SPACES IN THE BUILDING TO BEGIN WITH AND THEN EXPAND LATER AS THEIR PROGRAMS GROW INTO THE THIRD SPOT.

BUT THEY ARE PROPOSING TO PURCHASE THE ENTIRE BUILDING.

YEAH. WHAT'S THE OPERATIONS HOUR DURING THE DAY? ONLY FROM 8 A.M.

TO 5 P.M.. AGAIN, THIS IS A PROGRAM WHERE PARTICIPANTS ARE COME IN THE MORNING AND ARE PICKED UP IN THE AFTERNOON AND UP TO 16 PROGRAM PARTICIPANTS ARE EXPECTED.

THIS IS A LAYOUT OF THEIR BUILDING SHOWING THE THREE TENANT SPACES AND THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE TWO EXISTING TO BEGIN THE BUSINESS AND WITH THE FUTURE EXPANSION TO THE SUITE.

ON THE RIGHT THERE IS CURRENTLY A TENANT IN THAT SUITE NOW.

THIS IS A PHOTO OF THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.

THERE IS PARKING DEDICATED TO THIS BUILDING.

AND AGAIN, THEY ARE CONDOMINIUM OFFICES.

SO EACH ONE IS AN INDIVIDUAL UNIT WITH INDIVIDUAL OWNERSHIP.

HOWEVER, THIS APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO PURCHASE THE ENTIRE BUILDING.

THIS IS A REVIEW OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING STAFF REVIEWS AS WELL AS OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

THE CURRENT LAND SURROUNDING LAND USES, AS WE SHOWED ON THE LAND USE MAP, OUR BUSINESSES AND INDUSTRIAL USES IN HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND ONE ARE A TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY.

THE EXPECTED IMPACTS ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES BASED ON TRAFFIC AND NOISE AND USE ARE CONSIDERED TO BE MINIMAL IN THE MITIGATION OF EXPECTED IMPACTS ARE INCLUDED WITHIN THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

THIS IS A USE ALLOWED IN THE B1 USE, SO THE PROPOSED USE OF THE BUILDING IS COMPATIBLE.

OTHER DEPARTMENT AND AGENCY STAFF REVIEW COMMENTS ARE SUMMARIZED HERE FOR YOU.

AND AGAIN, ANY NECESSARY BUILDING CODE CHANGES WOULD NEED TO BE DONE BEFORE A CEO COULD BE ISSUED OR A BUSINESS LICENSE WOULD BE ISSUED.

VDOT HAS LOOKED AT THIS AND THE ENTRANCE IS ACCEPTABLE FOR THE PROPOSED USES BEING SERVED BY RAVENSWOOD DRIVE.

AND ACCORDING TO UTILITIES, THE BUILDING IS OF COURSE AN EXISTING BUILDING ALREADY AND IS ALREADY SERVED BY PUBLIC WASTEWATER.

PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S PUBLIC HEARING.

WE DID HAVE AN ATTORNEY REPRESENTING SEVERAL OCCUPANTS IN THE RAVENSWOOD COMMERCIAL COMPLEX WHO SPOKE IN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST, CITING CONCERNS WITH ANOTHER BUSINESS IN THE OFFICE COMPLEX AND SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SAFETY CONCERNS AND DECREASING PROPERTY VALUES.

STAFF HAS ALSO RECEIVED THE CONCERN THAT THERE'S INADEQUATE PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE PROPOSED FIELD FACILITY STAFFING.

WE DID RELOOK AT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT OFFICE COMPLEX AND VERIFIED THAT THERE IS ADEQUATE PARKING PER HOUR OR ZONING ORDINANCE.

STAFF DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE IN YOUR PACKET.

THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST IS CONSISTENT AND COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING LAND USES AS A B USE ADJACENT TO M USES AND OTHER B USES.

THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

AGAIN, IT IS A B1 USE.

THE PROPOSED USE DAY SUPPORT SERVICES FACILITY DOES MEET THE DEFINITION UNDER THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF A

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THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN YOUR DRAFT ORDINANCE INCLUDE A LOT OF OUR NORMAL ONES.

IT DOES RESTRICT THE HOURS OF OPERATION FROM 8 A.M.

TO 5 P.M..

THERE ARE SOME MEDICATIONS THAT MAY BE STORED ON SITE.

THEY ASK THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE OTHER FACILITIES AND THEY DO PROVIDE TRAINING AND MEDICAL ASSISTANCE AS NEEDED BY THEIR PARTICIPANTS.

THE CHANGE OF USE PERMIT AND THE TENANT OUTFIT PERMIT WILL BE REQUIRED AND THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT DOCUMENTATION THAT THE EXISTING PRIVATE WELL HAS THE CAPACITY TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROPOSED USE.

PLANNING COMMISSION AT THEIR MEETING AT THE PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 22ND, VOTED THREE 2 TO 4 FOR THE RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL, AND THE REASON STATED WAS SAFETY CONCERNS.

AS YOU'RE AWARE, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TAKES THE ADVICE OF THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNDER CONSIDERATION. BUT YOU DO HAVE FULL AUTHORITY TO MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION AT THIS TIME.

I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE OF THE PACKET MATERIAL.

I DO BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT AND DOES HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE TO THE BOARD IF MADAM CHAIR ALLOWS BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPENS. MADAM CHAIR.

YES, SIR. DURING THE SORRY, DURING THE.

PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN THEY MET THREE TO DENY THE REQUEST IS WHAT WE JUST READ.

YES, SIR, IT IS TRUE.

AND DID THEY POINT OUT THE SAFETY CONCERNS OR DO THEY JUST LEAVE IT BROAD? AND THE MOTION FOR DENIAL JUST CITED SAFETY CONCERNS AND THAT THEY DID NOT EXPAND ON THAT.

WELL, MAYBE THE APPLICANT MAY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WELL, SEE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS WALTON? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS WALTON.

I'LL HAVE MY COMMENTS AFTER WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT AND WISHES TO SPEAK.

COME FORWARD, PLEASE.

GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS KERRY HUTCHERSON.

I'M A LAND USE ATTORNEY AND PLANNER WITH THE FIRM OF RUDY COINER AND ASSOCIATES OUT IN CHESTERFIELD.

I'M HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT GRAND SLAM LLC.

AND FIRST, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE STAFF FOR THEIR PRESENTATION AND RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, WHICH THE APPLICANT ACCEPTS, SUBJECT TO THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS IN THE CASE.

I WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND ON THE GRAND SLAM LLC AS A COMPANY AND ITS OPERATIONS AND WHAT THE DAY SUPPORT FACILITY WILL PROVIDE.

AND ALSO I CAN ADDRESS WHAT I OBSERVED.

I WATCHED THE VIDEO FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND SO I CAN ADDRESS WHAT I OBSERVED WERE APPARENTLY THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED.

FIRST, I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON GRAND SLAM LLC, BECAUSE THAT DOES KIND OF DIRECTLY ADDRESS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WAS RAISED DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT THE CROSSROADS METHADONE TREATMENT FACILITY THAT'S ALSO IN THIS OFFICE COMPLEX WOULD SOMEHOW THE THE PATIENTS WHO ARE GOING THERE WOULD SOMEHOW BE A THREAT TO THE ADULTS WITH INTELLECTUAL AND DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES THAT WE WOULD BE HAVING HERE AT THIS DAY SUPPORT FACILITY.

AND AS I THINK YOU'LL YOU'LL SEE IN JUST A MINUTE, OUR STAFF ARE EXTENSIVELY VETTED AND TRAINED TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THE ADULTS WHO ARE PARTICIPATING IN THEIR PROGRAMS. AND I ALSO LEARNED FROM STAFF THAT THE CROSSROADS FACILITY HAS TRAINED SECURITY PERSONNEL IN PLACE AT ALL TIMES WHILE THEY'RE OPEN.

I REALLY DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CONFLICT HERE AS FAR AS THAT'S CONCERNED, BUT WE CAN GET INTO THAT MORE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS LATER.

LET ME JUST RUN THROUGH THIS REAL QUICK.

SO GRAND SLAM HAVE OVER 30 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN GROUP HOME AND DAYCARE SUPPORT FOR ADULTS WITH INTELLECTUAL AND DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES AND THE TRI-CITIES AREA.

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THEY PROVIDE HOME CARE AND DAY SUPPORT PROGRAMS TO HELP ADULTS WITH DISABILITIES BECOME MORE INDEPENDENT, LEARN SOCIAL SKILLS, LEARN EMPLOYMENT SKILLS, SELF CARE SKILLS THAT ALLOW THEM TO BE MORE INDEPENDENT AND BECOME PART OF A COMMUNITY RATHER THAN BEING STUCK IN INSTITUTIONS.

GRAND SLAM STAFF ARE LICENSED AND REGULATED BY THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND DEVELOPMENTAL SCIENCE SERVICES.

AND GRAND SLAM IS A MEMBER OF THE LOCAL HUMAN RIGHTS COMMITTEE.

THE STAFF ARE EXTENSIVELY VETTED AND TRAINED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS SAFE AND THAT THE PROGRAMS ARE RUN IN ORDERLY FASHION, INCLUDING ADMINISTRATION OF MEDICATIONS.

ALL THE STAFF ARE TRAINED EXTENSIVELY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE PROPERLY ADMINISTERING ANY MEDICATIONS AND THAT THEY'RE SECURING THOSE MEDICATIONS FROM ANY SORT OF SECURITY BREACHES. AND FACILITIES ARE REGULARLY SUBJECT TO STATE INSPECTIONS BY DEPARTMENT OF BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES, AS WELL AS THE PHARMACY BOARD.

THE STAFF ARE ALSO SUBJECT TO BACKGROUND CHECKS, EXTENSIVE BACKGROUND CHECKS.

THIS IS REALLY ALTHOUGH IT'S A FOR PROFIT BUSINESS, THIS IS A BUSINESS THAT ITS PROGRAMS REALLY SERVE A GREAT BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY AND ARE IN FURTHERANCE OF STATE HEALTH POLICIES THAT ARE INSTITUTED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES.

AGAIN, THE GOAL IS TO HELP TRANSITION INDIVIDUALS WITH THESE DISABILITIES FROM INSTITUTIONS TO COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY CAN BE A THRIVING PART OF A COMMUNITY AND HELP TO REALLY START TO DEVELOP AND BECOME PRODUCTIVE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY.

WE DO THIS WITH A SMALL STUDENT TEACHER RATIO OF 1 TO 5 TEACHER TO STUDENTS, AND WE HAVE THESE CLASSES THAT YOU CAN SEE IN THE PRESENTATION TO SUPPORT THE PROGRAMS. I'M GOING TO SKIP OVER MOST OF THIS STUFF BECAUSE THE STAFF REPORT COVERED IT QUITE WELL.

AGAIN, JUST TO EMPHASIZE, ONE OF THE SAFETY CONCERNS THAT WAS RAISED DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS WHETHER THERE WOULD BE ADEQUATE PARKING FOR THIS FACILITY.

I THINK THAT POINT HAS BEEN BELABORED AND EMPHASIZED BY THE STAFF.

THERE IS AMPLE PARKING HERE AND THIS IS A DROP OFF FACILITY FOR THE ADULTS WHO ARE PARTICIPATING IN PROGRAMS TO THE STAFF.

4 TO 5 STAFF SERVING ON SITE ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO WILL BE USING THE PARKING SPACES.

AND THERE'S, I THINK, 26 SPACES UP FRONT AND 32 IN THE BACK, ACCORDING TO WHAT I HEARD FROM STAFF TODAY EARLIER WHEN I TALKED TO THEM.

SO THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING AND AGAIN, FOR ADDRESSING THE CONCERNS.

I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WAS RAISED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING BY THE ATTORNEY WHO REPRESENTED SOME FOLKS IN THE BUSINESS PARK WAS THERE WERE CONCERNS THAT FOLKS FROM THE METHADONE CLINIC WOULD SOMEHOW WALK ACROSS TO OUR FACILITY AND BREAK IN AND STEAL MEDICATIONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THEY'VE GOT HIGHLY TRAINED SECURITY AT THE METHADONE CLINIC.

WE'LL HAVE HIGHLY TRAINED SECURITY AT OUR FACILITY.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

ALSO, THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT HAPPENING IS REDUCED SIGNIFICANTLY BECAUSE THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE TWO BUSINESSES, THE CROSSROADS FACILITY IS ONLY OPEN FROM 5 A.M.

TO 10 A.M.. OUR FACILITY WILL BE OPEN FROM 8 A.M.

TO 5 P.M..

SO THERE'S JUST A TWO HOUR WINDOW WHERE THE TWO BUSINESSES WOULD BE OPEN AT THE SAME TIME.

AND WITH ALL THE TRAINED SECURITY STAFF THERE, YOU KNOW, THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY SORT OF CROSS INTERACTION WITH THESE TWO BUSINESSES IS VERY, VERY LOW.

WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE LAYOUT HERE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT UP THERE IN CASE THE STAFF REPORT DIDN'T INCLUDE IT.

HERE'S JUST SOME VISUALS OF THE TYPE OF TYPE OF ACTIVITIES WE'VE GOT AVAILABLE FOR THE ADULTS WHO PARTICIPATE IN THESE PROGRAMS. AND LIKE I SAID, IT REALLY PROVIDES A GREAT SERVICE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.

WE'RE IN SUPPORT OF THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND ARE HAPPY TO ACCEPT THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

AND WITH THAT, I WOULD URGE YOUR SUPPORT FOR OUR CASE, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AND RESERVE ANY OTHER TIME FOR REBUTTAL, IF THERE IS ONE.

QUESTIONS? NO, MA'AM.

NOT AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU.

NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

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STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOU WILL HAVE 4 MINUTES IN WHICH TO SPEAK.

THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

MY NAME IS ED JOHNSON.

I'M A PARTNER AT JOHNSON AND MICHELLE TAX AND ACCOUNTING SERVICE.

WE ARE LOCATED IN THE BUILDING IN QUESTION.

10,000 555 RAVENS WERE RAVENSWOOD OFFICE PARK.

WE'VE BEEN HERE AT THIS LOCATION SINCE 2005, 17 YEARS.

WHEN WE FORMED OUR PARTNERSHIP.

THIS IS WHEN WE MOVED IN.

THERE ARE CURRENTLY TWO TENANTS IN THIS BUILDING OF THREE UNITS.

RAVENSWOOD. AN OFFICE PARK IS CURRENTLY ZONED FOR GENERAL BUSINESS USE.

THERE IS AN ATTORNEY.

OUR ACCOUNTING FIRM, A CONSULTING GROUP AND A HOME NURSING BUSINESS HERE IN THE PARK.

UNTIL RECENTLY, THAT WAS ALSO A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT GROUP.

A DENTIST OFFICE AND A MASSAGE THERAPIST.

SADLY, THEY ALL THREE HAVE LOCATED OUTSIDE OF PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY.

A LOT OF TAX BASE HAS BEEN LOST.

A LOT OF TAX BASE WILL BE LOST IF THIS GOES THROUGH.

THE TWO TENANTS IN THE BUILDING WILL HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE.

JUST A LAWYER'S OFFICE.

I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE.

THE SAME OFFICE PARK ALSO HAS A METHADONE TREATMENT CENTER.

THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 25 FEET FROM THE PROPOSED ADULT DAYCARE LOCATION.

METHADONE. IT WAS A POWERFUL DRUG USED FOR PAIN TREATMENT.

AND DRUG ADDICT ADDICTION.

IT IS A SCHEDULE TWO CONTROLLED MEDICATION.

THE TREATMENT CENTER DISPENSES METHADONE TO ITS PATIENTS DAILY AND IS A VERY BUSY CENTER.

WE SHARE A PARKING LOT.

AND COMMENTARY WITH THEM.

THEY BRING MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF OUR SMALL PARKING LOT AND COMMON AREA.

NORMALLY ALL OF THESE OR MOST OF THESE PATIENTS HAS A DRIVER.

THE DRIVER PARKS SITS AND WAITS UNTIL THIS PATIENT COMES OUT.

IN THE MEANTIME, WHILE THAT DRIVER IS SITTING OUT IN THE PARKING LOT WAITING, THEY'RE EATING THEIR BREAKFAST.

THEY TOOK THEIR TRASH OUT OF THE OUT OF THEIR WINDOW INTO THE PARKING LOT.

THIS SLOT HAS ONLY 26 PARKING SPACES ALL IN ONE ROW, EXCEPT ONLY IN TWO OF THOSE, 26 IS AT A 90 DEGREE ANGLE. THEY CAN GLADDEN AUTOMOTIVE.

IT'S A FAR RIGHT OF THOSE TWO.

DOESN'T PULL ALL THE WAY IN.

HE BLOCKS ONE OR THE OTHER.

THAT BRINGS IT DOWN TO 25 PARKING PLACES.

THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE VEHICLE ACCIDENTS IN THIS PARKING LOT.

IT'S PARALLEL PARK AND FACING CRATER ROAD.

THERE'S PEOPLE COMING IN.

AIRPORT TAXI SERVICE FROM RICHMOND.

OTHER TAXI SERVICES, THEY PARK ON A.

SAT CLOSEST TO THE METHADONE CLINIC.

THEY MOVE AFTER THEY UNLOAD OR SOMETIMES IT TAKES THEM SEVERAL MINUTES TO MOVE WHEN THEY HAVE TO TURN AROUND TO GO BACK OUT.

THAT'S WHEN A LOT OF TIMES THESE ACCIDENTS ARE HAPPENING.

THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE VEHICLE ACCIDENTS.

SIR, YOUR TIME IS UP.

ARE YOU FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL? I'VE GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT WILL HELP THIS.

IF I MAY SPEAK QUICKLY, I'LL FINISH.

EVEN THOUGH. I'M FINE.

I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS ON A TIME LIMIT.

YES. I THOUGHT I TOLD YOU YOU'D HAVE 4 MINUTES TO SPEAK.

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I HAVE TWO MORE MINUTES.

OKAY. YES, MA'AM.

I'M GOOD. I'M FINE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE VEHICLE ACCIDENTS, PHYSICAL ALTERCATIONS, SEX, URINATING IN PUBLIC, LOITERING, LOUD MUSIC, ARRESTS FOR VARIOUS REASONS, AND PEOPLE SOLICITING FOR MONEY TO HELP PAY FOR THEIR TREATMENT.

NOT ONLY SOLICITING THE BUSINESS OWNERS, BUT ALSO THE CLIENTS THAT HAD SOME HAS BEEN SUBJECTED TO ALL OF THIS WHILE PARKING AND APPROACHING OUR OFFICE.

THERE HAVE BEEN LONG LINES OUTSIDE OF THE CLINIC WITH MANY CHILDREN ACCOMPANYING PARENTS SOMETIMES.

THE PARENTS ARE OUTSIDE AFTER CLINIC HOURS WAITING FOR RIDES.

SOME SEEM TO BE INTOXICATED.

THE PRINCE GEORGE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS A LIST OF THESE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT THEY HAVE RESPONDED TO CALLS.

AND I UNDERSTAND SUPERVISOR BROWN HAS REQUESTED THIS INFORMATION.

THE OFFICE PARK IN GENERAL IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES BECAUSE OF THE SIZE AND NEFARIOUS ACTIVITIES IN THE PARKING LOT AND COMMON AREAS.

BOTH THESE ADULT DAYCARE PATIENTS NEED OUTSIDE TIME.

WHERE WOULD THEY GO IF YES, THERE IS NO PRIVATE AREA HERE AND THERE ARE OTHER BUSINESS TO CONSIDER SHARING THE SAME PARKING LOT, BUILDING SIDEWALKS.

AND THEY SAID COMMON AREAS.

WHAT ARE THESE ADULT CARE PATIENTS AND CLIENTS BEING EXPOSED TO WHEN METHADONE CLINICS SO CLOSE IN PROXIMITY TO THE NEARLY RESIDENTS AND NEARBY RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES AND THEIR CLIENTELE SHOULD SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS WELL? NO EXCEPTION TO THIS BUSINESS, ZONING SHOULD BE PASSED.

THIS BUILDING OFFICE PARK IS NOT CONDUCIVE WITH ADULT DAY CARE PATIENTS, CLIENTS THAT ARE MENTALLY, EMOTIONALLY OR PHYSICALLY CHALLENGED ONLY BECAUSE OF THE METHADONE CLINIC THAT IS ALREADY HERE, BUT ALSO THE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE STILL OPERATING IN OR NEAR THE RAVENSWOOD OFFICE PARK.

FURTHERMORE, THE VEHICLES THAT'S COME TO THE OFF TO THE METHADONE CLINIC, MANY OF THOSE HAVE PARK IN THE BACK BECAUSE OF 26 SPACES IS NOT ENOUGH.

ALSO, SECURITY OF THE CLINIC OF THE METHADONE CLINIC IS NOT OUTSIDE.

THEY ARE INSIDE TAKING TEMPERATURE AND DOING WHATEVER ELSE THEY DO INSIDE.

THERE'S NO SECURITY OUT IN THE PARKING LOT.

AND FINALLY, THE BUILDING IN QUESTION HAS A PRIVATE WILL.

IS NO WATER SERVICE BY PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY TO THE BUILDING.

A SERVICE BY PRIVATE WILL WHICH IS NOT SUITABLE FOR DRINKING.

SOMETIMES IT'S NOT EVEN SUITABLE FOR WASHING YOUR HANDS.

IT IS SUITABLE FOR BATHROOM FACILITIES.

OKAY, SIR, YOUR TIME IS UP.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

SOMEONE ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

YOU HAVE 4 MINUTES.

AND CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MIKE MCGOWAN.

AND MY WIFE AND I OWNED A BUSINESS ON THE OTHER END OF THE PARKING LOT FROM THE PROPOSED DAYCARE FACILITY.

SO I SAY VERY QUICKLY, I WON'T TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME.

I SUPPORT WHAT MR. JOHNSON SAID 100%.

I COULD TALK FOR AN HOUR AND WE COULD ALL PROBABLY TALK FOR AN HOUR ABOUT THE DIFFERENT KINDS.

OF VIOLATIONS THAT GO ON DOWN THERE BY THE METHADONE PEOPLE.

I FOUND PEOPLE IN THE DITCHES YELLING AND SCREAMING, PEOPLE URINATING IN BROAD DAYLIGHT RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR OFFICE.

PEOPLE JUST OPEN THE DOOR, DUMP TRASH.

I HAD ONE LADY SETTING UP A HOMELESS SHELTER IN THE BACK OF OUR OFFICE.

THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON NONSTOP.

THEY'LL CLEAN IT UP, KICK SOME PEOPLE OUT.

BUT THEN IT'S LIKE A CYCLE.

SOMEBODY ELSE TAKES HER PLACE VERY QUICKLY.

ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT CAME UP WITH SECURITY AND I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT I WASN'T GOING TO TOUCH BASE ON THIS, BUT I'VE BEEN TEACHING KARATE FOR 40 YEARS.

I STARTED OVER AT VIRGINIA STATE AND LATE SIXTIES, EARLY SEVENTIES.

I DON'T TEACH REGULAR CLASSES NOW.

ALL I TEACH ARE BLACK BELTS.

THESE PEOPLE SCARE ME.

NOT PHYSICALLY.

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THEY'RE SO SPONTANEOUS IN IRAQ, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.

AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT ALL OF THEM.

MOST OF THESE PEOPLE ARE FINE.

THEY JUST NEED HELP. BUT THE PERCENTAGE.

IS SMALL, BUT THEY DO A LOT OF DAMAGE.

SO SECURITY IS A JOKE DOWN THERE.

I'VE TAUGHT IN POLICE ACADEMIES FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS.

THE SECURITY PEOPLE DON'T COME OUT OF THE BUILDING.

THEY DO NOT HAVE ADEQUATE TRAINING FOR SECURITY.

I WAS TOLD ONE MAN WAS A MEMBER OF THE BUSH SECURITY TEAM.

I ASK HIM THAT CONFRONTED HIM WITH THAT AND HE LAUGHED AT ME.

HE SAYS, NO, NO, I'VE NEVER DONE ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I USED TO DO SECURITY AT THE AIRPORT WITH PACKAGES.

THAT'S ALL HE DID. HE DIDN'T HAVE ADEQUATE TRAINING.

THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOW ARE IN THE OFFICES.

ONE SELLS REAL ESTATE PART TIME.

ONE WORKED AT A PRISON.

AND AGAIN, THEY'RE THERE INSIDE THE BUILDING.

THEY DON'T SEE ALL THE ACTIVITY THAT WE SEE ON A WEEKLY OR SOMETIMES DAILY BASIS.

SO THESE PEOPLE THERE ARE.

CAN BE DANGEROUS.

WHAT THESE PEOPLE DO, WE ARE BEHIND WHEN I'M SENT.

WE HAVE 11 PEOPLE IN MY FAMILY AND MY WIFE'S FAMILY THAT DO HEALTH CARE.

SO SOME OF IT MENTAL HEALTH, SOME OF NURSE PRACTITIONERS, PHDS, SOCIAL WORKERS.

I MEAN, OUR FAMILIES ARE ALL FOR WHAT THEY DO, BUT THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT PLACE TO DO THIS WITH.

THIS METHADONE CLINIC THERE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE? IF SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

HE HAS TO WAIT UNTIL YOU HAVE TO WAIT TILL I CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING.

SEEING NO ONE ELSE COMING FORWARD.

HANG ON. IS HE PART OF THE GROUP, THOUGH? I'M PART OF. NO, YOU WAIT.

I WAIT. YOU WAIT.

NO SEE, NO ONE ELSE TO SPEAK.

I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TURN IT BACK OVER TO MRS. WALTON AND THE BOARD.

IF THE APPLICANT WISHES TO SPEAK AGAIN, HE CERTAINLY MAY DO SO.

MADAM CHAIR, I BELIEVE THAT APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS BROUGHT UP.

IF YES, PLEASE DO SO.

AND PRIOR AND PRIOR.

MADAM CHAIR, TO HIS RESPONSE.

I CAN'T SPEAK FOR MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS, BUT.

IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT WHAT WAS STATED.

WAS MORE OF A PROBLEM WITH THE METHADONE CLINIC THAT'S IN PLACE NOW AND HOW THEY OPERATE THEIR BUSINESS.

I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE DIDN'T, WE HEARD THAT.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO.

VERY WELL TO MOVE FORWARD.

MS. WALTON. IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIR.

MR. CARMICHAEL, BASED ON SOME COMPLAINTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP IN SOME CONVERSATIONS SOME OF YOU HAVE HAD WITH SOME OF THE OCCUPANTS OF THE OFFICE PARK.

I DID WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES AT THAT FACILITY. I HAVE TALKED WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF BEHAVIORAL SERVICES ABOUT THEIR LICENSING AND INSPECTIONS.

I HAVE SENT INSPECTORS ON A WEEKLY BASIS TO TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS, MONITOR FOR TRASH LOITERING.

I HAVE ALSO ASKED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO MONITOR THE SITE MORE INTENSELY IN THE MORNING HOURS TO WORK ON SOME OF THESE COMPLAINTS WE HAVE RECEIVED.

I CAN SAY THAT I DO NOT HAVE ANY RESULTS BACK FROM THE STATE.

I HAVE I DO NOT KNOW IF THE POLICE HAVE HAD ANY ISSUES OTHER THAN I DO KNOW THEY ARE MONITORING THE LOCATION.

THERE ARE INSPECTIONS OF THE FACILITY SITE IN GENERAL HAVE SHOWN A CLEAN SITE.

I DO NOT KNOW WHO IS CONTROLLING THE TRASH, WHETHER IT'S THE BUILDING OWNERS OR THE CONDO ASSOCIATION OR THE OR THE PARK OWNER.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE DOCUMENTED WE ARE WE ARE NOT SEEING AT THIS CURRENT TIME THE CURRENT ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED.

SO I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, WE ARE WORKING ON ALL AREAS OF ENFORCEMENT AVAILABLE TO US TO ADDRESS THE

[02:20:08]

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

MADAM CHAIR. I HEARD A COMMENT MADE THAT.

REMEMBER BROWN HAD ASKED FOR A REPORT FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

YEAH, I'M GOING TO AND THANK YOU, MR. CARMICHAEL, FOR POINTING OUT THAT THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED HAVE TO DO WITH A SEPARATE BUSINESS AND THEY REALLY AREN'T GERMANE TO THIS ZONING APPLICATION. AND I ALSO APPRECIATE THE STAFF REPORT HERE THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE COUNTY IS GETTING OUT AHEAD OF THIS ISSUE AND IS INVOLVING POLICE.

AND THAT ALL SEEMS APPROPRIATE IN DEALING WITH IF THERE ARE ISSUES WITH PUBLIC SAFETY AT THE CROSSROADS FACILITY.

I ALSO JUST WANTED TO SPEAK TO THE MR. JOHNSON SAID THAT SOMEHOW PROVING OUR CASE WOULD RESULT IN A LOSS OF A TAX BASE.

IT'S JUST THE OPPOSITE.

MY CLIENT IS GOING TO BE COMING IN AND PROVIDING MORE OCCUPANCY IN A BUSINESS PARK THAT NEEDS OCCUPANCY.

SO THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE TAX BASE.

AS FAR AS THE WELL GOES.

YOU ALREADY HEARD THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A CONDITION THAT THE WELL BE PROVED TO BE ADEQUATE AND SAFE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET VDH APPROVAL FOR THAT.

WELL, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S HEALTHY WATER.

AND I DO THINK MARK [INAUDIBLE] FROM GRAND SLAM WANTED TO SAY A COUPLE OF WORDS, BUT WE'LL MAKE IT PRETTY QUICKLY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

HELLO. BOARD MR. STOKE.

MADAM CHAIRMAN. MR. WHITTEN, MY NAME IS MARK [INAUDIBLE].

I'M AN OCCUPATIONAL THERAPIST BY TRADE.

I'M FROM BUFFALO, NEW YORK.

I'VE WORKED THE LAST SINCE AGE 19.

I'M 56 NOW WITH FOLKS WITH INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES.

AND I JUST WANT TO BE REAL CLEAR THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT FOLKS WITH MENTAL ILLNESS LIKE SCHIZOPHRENIA OR ANY OF THOSE THINGS, AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT USING NARCOTICS.

THERE'S NO PAIN MEDICINE.

THESE ARE FOLKS WITH DOWN SYNDROME AND THEY POSE NO THREAT TO YOU.

IN FACT, MR. JOHNSON MAY HIRE ONE OF OUR INDIVIDUALS TO SHRED PAPER FORM IF HE'D LIKE SOME OF OUR FOLKS THAT DO THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

WE'RE NOT OUT, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA THAT THERE'S MEDICINES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A PROBLEM, THAT'S NOT AN INDIVIDUAL AT ALL.

A PROBLEM AT ALL. I THOUGHT FROM THE BEGINNING WHEN WE WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THERE WAS NO IDEA OF WHAT THIS WAS.

THEY HAD THIS IDEA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CRAZY PEOPLE, AND I NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO KIND OF CLARIFY THAT.

RIGHT NOW, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS SUING THE STATE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS, GETTING THEM TO TRY TO CATCH UP YOUR DEPARTMENT OF BEHAVIORAL HEALTH.

I WORK WITH THEM DAILY.

THEY ARE GETTING POUNDED IN THE COURTS.

YOU CAN READ ALL ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T CAUGHT UP AND STATES LIKE NEW YORK AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

THESE INDIVIDUALS RESIDE IN COMMUNITIES, BUT THEY WORK WITH PEOPLE THEY MAY WORK IN THIS INSTITUTION [INAUDIBLE] ARE NO LESS.

WE HAVE INDIVIDUAL MILD MENTAL RETARDATION, THE OLD TERM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

IT'S NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT, BUT THEY HAVE INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES, SOME OF OUR FOLKS THREE OR FOUR WHEELCHAIRS AND THAT'S IT.

AND I'VE BEEN DOING THIS NOW.

I WORKED AT THE TRAINING CENTER IN PETERSBURG AS A DIRECTOR OF REHAB FOR 13 YEARS BEFORE THEY CLOSED AND WAS ASKED BY THE STATE TO GET INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT TO DO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND GET FOLKS OUT.

THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE 2005 IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.

THIS ISN'T ANYTHING NEW.

AND I THOUGHT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD TAKE THE TIME WHEN WE PRESENT IT ON A TUESDAY TO ACTUALLY LOOK SOMETHING UP SO THAT WHEN WE CAME BACK ON THURSDAY, THEY'D HAVE A LITTLE INSIGHT. I'M NOT BEING CRITICAL, BUT IT WOULD HAVE HELPED.

HERE WE ARE AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THE METHADONE CLINIC, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S HAD ADDICTION AFFECT THEIR FAMILY.

I CERTAINLY HAVE BIG TIME.

SO I DON'T WANT TO PREJUDGE WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE.

BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT COULD BE RATIFIED OR RECTIFIED SOMEHOW AND THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS A POSITIVE AND IT REALLY DOESN'T HURT ANYBODY, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CONCERNS.

I GET THAT. AND I'M NOT NAÏVE TO THE IDEA OF FOLKS THAT ARE ON NARCOTICS TRYING TO GET OFF OF IT.

THEY'VE GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR. EXCUSE ME ONE QUESTION.

YES, SIR, I FORGOT. I DON'T YOU REFER CRAZY PEOPLE MENTAL ILLNESS.

SURE. IT'S VERY SAD.

YEAH. I DON'T SAY CRAZY. I SAY ABSOLUTELY.

I HAD A BROTHER THAT I WAS.

YEAH. A CRAZY.

I WOULDN'T SAY YOU'RE CRAZY IF I WAS HAVING SYMPTOMS OF PSYCHOSIS.

WOULD YOU SEE ME AS A PATIENT? NO, THAT'S NOT.

WE TAKE INDIVIDUALS.

NO, I CAME TO YOU WITH THOSE ISSUES.

NO, SIR. YOU WOULD TURN ME AWAY.

[02:25:02]

YOU CANNOT GET IT.

NUMBER TWO, IT SHOWS THAT THEY ARE CLARIFIED BY HAVING DEFICITS IN ADAPTIVE BEHAVIOR.

THESE INDIVIDUALS MAY NOT SAY THANK YOU.

THEY MAY NOT SAY PLEASE, AND THEY MAY NOT COVER THEIR MOUTH WHEN THEY SNEEZE AND THEY HAVE TROUBLE WITH LIFE SKILLS.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WE HAVE NOT ONE INDIVIDUAL IN OUR FACILITY THAT HAS A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND, A CRIMINAL ARREST, A DRIVING TICKET, ZERO.

NOTHING. NONE OF OUR INDIVIDUALS ARE ON NARCOTICS AND NONE OF OUR INDIVIDUALS ARE ON ANTIPSYCHOTICS.

THEY MAY TAKE METAMUCIL OR THEY MAY BE ON A PRESCRIPTION.

WHEN YOU'RE IN OUR FACILITY, EVERYTHING'S A PRESCRIPTION.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE AN ASPIRIN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PRESCRIPTION.

BUT THAT WAS ANOTHER THING.

WE WE DON'T HAVE STUFF THAT HAS TO BE COUNTED PER SE AND SIGNED OFF ON BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE TYPE OF MEDICATION OUR FOLKS HAVE.

YOU MAY HAVE ANTI-SEIZURE MEDICATIONS.

ANY HELP THEY CAN GET IS GREAT.

THANK YOU FOR THE INDIVIDUAL, BUT WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS.

I'M SPEAKING FOR ME MYSELF RIGHT NOW.

I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE A 24 HOUR BAR OPEN NEXT TO A FACILITY AS TREATING PEOPLE FOR ALCOHOLISM.

IT DOESN'T WORK FOR ME AS AN EXAMPLE.

SO WE'VE GOT TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS ON WHERE WE APPROVE AND PUT CERTAIN BUSINESSES SO WE DON'T HAVE ISSUES.

IT SEEMS THAT THE BUSINESS AT HAND IS UNDERSTAND JUST.

YEAH, MY THOUGHTS. OKAY, SURE.

YES, SIR. JUST CAUTIOUS ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING AS MR. JOHNSON HAS STATED.

TREMENDOUS EFFORT TO HELP PEOPLE, WHATEVER THEY GOT IN, WHATEVER ISSUES THEY HAVE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

CAN I JUST ADD ONE MORE THING? YOU KNOW, MY VERY QUICK I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE, BECAUSE I DO UNDERSTAND MR. CARMICHAEL'S CONCERN ABOUT WHERE YOU PLACE CERTAIN USES.

AGAIN, THE HOURS OF OPERATION OF THESE TWO USES ONLY OVERLAP FOR 2 HOURS.

SO IT'S IT'S DEFINITELY NOT THE SCENARIO OF A 24 HOUR FACILITY NEXT TO ANOTHER ONE.

JUST JUST TO CLARIFY THAT AND REEMPHASIZE.

UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR US? NO. THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR, I'M JUST AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON ANYTHING IN THE STAFF REPORT.

MADAM, MADAM CHAIR, I JUST.

I WANT TO SAY MY TWO CENTS WORTH.

FIRST OF ALL, I TOTALLY SUPPORT WHAT GRAND SLAM STANDS FOR.

TRULY THERE IS A NEED FOR THE INTELLECTUAL CHALLENGE, FOLKS.

AND I DO FEEL THAT THERE'S A PLACE FOR IT IN PRINCE GEORGE.

MY OPPOSITION IS I DON'T FEEL THAT THE RAVENSWOOD.

BUSINESS PARK IS THE RIGHT LOCATION.

I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO UP THERE AND SEE WHAT THE GROUNDS LOOK LIKE BEFORE THEY WERE CLEANED UP.

AND I SAW MASKS, I SAW NEEDLES, I SAW TRASH.

I VISUALLY SAW THIS MYSELF ON JUST GOING UP THERE AND LOOKING AROUND.

AGAIN, I APPLAUD WHAT GRAND SLAM IS WANTING TO DO.

I THINK THERE'S A THERE CAN BE A GOOD PLACE IN PRINCE GEORGE FOR US TO OFFER THESE TYPES OF SERVICES.

I'M KIND OF LIKE YOUR YOUR STATEMENT THAT IF I'M RUNNING, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE'S ALCOHOLISM AND THEN I'M NOT GOING TO PUT IT NEXT TO A BAR.

IT'S JUST WE HAVE A LARGER SCOPE OF THINGS TO LOOK AT.

I WILL ALSO TELL YOU, I HAVE EXPERIENCE OF THIS IN MY IN MY LIFE.

MY MOTHER AND FATHER BOTH RETIRED FROM THE STATE FROM CENTRAL STATE HOSPITAL IN PETERSBURG.

SO MY PARENTS LIVED IT FOR 20 PLUS YEARS.

AND SO AS CHILDREN, WE WERE EXPOSED TO ALL OF THAT.

SO I GET WHAT THE NEED IS.

I UNDERSTAND THE NEED.

SO I DON'T WANT ANYONE WALKING OUT OF HERE THIS EVENING SAYING THAT FLOYD BROWN DOESN'T CARE ABOUT HELPING PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY.

BUT ALSO, MY JOB AS A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEMBER IS TO LISTEN TO ALL THE INPUT THAT'S COMING IN AND FAIRLY SAY WHEN WE HAVE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION. DOES EVERYTHING FIT? STAFF HAS TO LOOK AT IT.

WE EXPECT STAFF TO LOOK AT IT TO SAY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, IT MEETS ALL THE ZONING, IT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BOOM. HERE'S THE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO SAY THEY HAVE TO LIVE BY.

THIS BOARD, NOT THESE BOARD MEMBERS SITTING HERE.

[02:30:02]

BUT THE WAY IT WAS HANDLED IN THE PAST HAS STRAPPED US TO WHERE WE CAN'T HAVE CERTAIN CONDITIONS THAT WE WOULD PUT ON A BUSINESS AND A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.

WE'RE LIVING THAT MISTAKE.

IT HAPPENED YEARS AND YEARS AGO.

MY JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T ADD EXTRA ON TOP OF THAT.

SO I JUST WANT TO STATE MY POSITION CLEARLY TONIGHT.

I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT.

I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO UP THERE.

I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY, CHIEF, AND I HAVE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ON IT.

AS FAR AS THE TYPE OF ACTIVITY TAKING PLACE, SO THAT THAT'S I'M NOT GOING TO BELABOR THE POINT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT.

MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU.

MR. BROWN WELL SAID.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, THEN.

[INAUDIBLE].

I'M SORRY, SIR, WITH THAT I'M GOING TO TURN IT BACK OVER TO BOARD NOW.

THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBERS.

WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? WELL, MADAM CHAIR, I GUESS I'VE STEPPED OUT THERE.

SO I'VE BACKED THE CAR UP INTO THE SPACE, I GUESS.

SO IF I HAD TO PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TONIGHT, MY MOTION WOULD BE IS THAT I WOULD SAY THAT WE WOULD NOT APPROVE THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION AT THIS TIME.

MADAM CHAIR, IF YOU COULD LIST REASONS WHY FOR DENIAL, MY REASON FOR DENIAL WOULD BE BASED ON THE INFORMATION RELATED TO THE METHADONE CLINIC.

AND I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO CLEAN UP A SITUATION BEFORE WE ADD.

I DON'T FEEL IT'S A GOOD MIX TO BRING THE TWO TOGETHER AT THIS TIME.

THAT'S NOT A KNOCK ON GRAND SLAM, THOUGH.

PLEASE DO I HAVE A SECOND? AND UNFORTUNATELY I WOULD HAVE TO BE THE SECOND.

AGAIN, I APPRECIATE WHAT GRAND SLAM STANDS FOR AND WHAT THEIR INTENTIONS ARE DOING, BUT AT THIS TIME.

I'M NOT SAYING IN THE FUTURE THINGS MAY CHANGE, BUT AT THIS MOMENT, BASED ON WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY DENY AT THE PRESENT TIME.

ALL RIGHT. IT'S BEEN [INAUDIBLE] AND SECONDED.

CALL ROLL PLEASE.

MR. HUNTER. YES, I'M VOTING FOR THE MOTION.

MRS. WAYMACK? YES. MR. WEBB? YES.

MR. CARMICHAEL? IF YOUR YES IS AGREEING WITH MY SECOND IT IS, THEN YES.

YOU'RE YOU'RE AGREEING TO THE MOTION? YES. THANK YOU. YES, MR. BROWN? YES.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE GO ON NOW TO P THREE, THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE CODE OF COUNTY OF VIRGINIA.

WELL, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE.

THE MOTION WAS VOTED FIVE ZERO TO DENY.

YES. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE CLEAR ON WHAT WE JUST VOTE BECAUSE WE SAID YES.

WE SAID NO TO THE MOTION TO DENY.

YES, MADAM CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. STOKE. IN 2022, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY PASSED HOUSE BILL 368.

WENT OVER THIS BILL DURING MY GENERAL ASSEMBLY UPDATE.

BASICALLY IT STATES THAT WHEN THERE'S A REFUND OF TAXES THAT HAVE BEEN OVERPAID, THERE'S OPTIONAL AUTHORITY THAT ALLOWS THE LOCALITY TO GIVE THE TREASURER THE AUTHORITY TO REFUND A TAXPAYER UP TO $10,000 IN TAXES PAID AS A RESULT OF ERRONEOUS TAX ASSESSMENT.

CURRENTLY, THAT AMOUNT IS $5,000 IN OUR ORDINANCE.

SO WHAT THIS REALLY THE ONLY CHANGE IS CHANGE IN THE NUMBER FROM $5,000 TO $10,000 THAT THE TREASURER CAN APPROVE WITHOUT BOARD APPROVAL.

THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS FOR MR. WHITTEN? NO, MA'AM. PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

NO. THANK YOU, MR. WHITTEN. SEEING NO QUESTIONS I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IF ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS MEASURE, PLEASE COME FORWARD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE 4 MINUTES.

SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD.

I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

[02:35:04]

MADAM CHAIR, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE BOARD, I WOULD MOVE THAT THE BOARD APPROVE AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE TREASURER TO APPROVE REFUNDS UP TO $10,000 WITHOUT THE APPROVAL OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN ACCORDANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE.

VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 581-39818.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. THANK YOU.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

MRS. WAYMACK.

YES. MR. WEBB? YES.

MR. CARMICHAEL? YES. MR. BROWN? YES. MR. HUNTER? YES. NOW WE NEED TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING WE MISSED.

[REPORTS (2 of 3)]

WORK BACKWARDS. START AT THE END. THE BAD NEWS IS ALWAYS AT THE END.

WELL, THERE'S NO REQUEST FOR FUNDING HERE.

IT'S JUST UPDATES. BUT I WANT TO KIND OF GO THROUGH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.

OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE MULTIPLE PLANNING TOOLS FOR THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT TO ENSURE WE'RE HEADING IN THE RIGHT PATH.

AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE WATER AND WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN AND REALLY THAT LOOKED AT THE GROWTH POPULATION OF THE COUNTY AND LOOKED WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE PLANNING AREA TO DETERMINE WHERE THE WATER AND INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS NEED TO GO.

SO OVER THE YEARS, WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THAT MASTER PLAN AS BEST AS WE CAN.

ANOTHER TOOL THAT WE'VE HAD IS THE SOUTH POINT UTILITY STUDY ADOPTED IN 2018, NOT ADOPTED BUT CREATED IN 2018, AND THAT WAS VERY SPECIFIC TO THE BUSINESS PARK. WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS ARE NECESSARY TO THE BUSINESS PARK? AND OBVIOUSLY WE JUST RECENTLY HAD THE HYDRAULIC ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE IN 2022.

IT WAS FINISHED UP IN MARCH.

THEY IDENTIFIED AGAIN, SOME VERY SPECIFIC ISSUES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

OBVIOUSLY, WE ARE NOW OUT OF CAPACITY AND THEREFORE SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE NEEDED TO ADDRESS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY.

AND THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL PROJECTS THAT CAME OUT OF THIS, SUCH AS THE SOUTH POINT BUSINESS PARK FORCE MAIN RELOCATION TO TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE CAPACITY ISSUES.

MORE RECENTLY, WE'VE HAD THE EXIT 45 AND ROUTE 301 STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH IDENTIFIED SOME DEFICIENCIES THAT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TO GROW THAT AREA AND MEET OR SUPPORT THE OVERARCHING GOALS THAT THIS BOARD HAS ADOPTED.

AND VERY SIMILARLY, THE COUNTY WIDE STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH AGAIN GIVES THIS DEPARTMENT SPECIFIC GOALS TO ACHIEVE TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN MEET OUR FUTURE NEEDS FOR THE COUNTY GOALS THAT THIS BOARD HAS ALSO ADOPTED.

SO VERY QUICKLY, I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH A FEW OF THESE.

THE EXIT 45 STRATEGIC PLAN.

THESE ARE THE THOSE PROJECTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED.

I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THESE REALLY QUICK DEVELOP THE NEW WELL, THAT IS A VERY IT'S CALLED A MIDTERM AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE MINOR CAPACITY ISSUES IS NOT GOING TO GIVE US A GREAT DEAL OF CAPACITY.

ONE OF THE ISSUES I HAVE CONCERNS I HAVE WITH THAT IS, IS THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT MAY BE REQUIRED TO GET A NEW PERMIT TO DRILL A NEW WELL FROM DEQ.

AS YOU KNOW, IT TAKES SOME TIME TO GET ANYTHING FROM DEQ THESE DAYS.

SO THERE MAY BE SOME ALTERNATIVES I MAY BRING BACK TO THIS BOARD TO TO JUMP THAT TASK TO A MORE LONGER TERM TASK.

ONE OF THOSE BEING WOULD BE A NUMBER FOUR, WHICH WOULD BE INTERCONNECT THE ROUTE 301 SYSTEM TO THE CENTRAL WATER SYSTEM.

WE CAN HAVE THAT DESIGNED AND READY FOR FOR BID WITHIN LESS THAN A YEAR AND PROBABLY LESS TIME THAN IT WOULD TAKE TO GET TO REVIEW A NEW WELL.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE MAY BRING TO THIS BOARD BACK A LITTLE LATER TO SEE HOW FAR WE WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT PATH.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE SOME CONSTRAINTS WITH THAT.

WE'VE GOT TO HAVE THE THE CAPACITY TO SERVE THAT AREA THROUGH THE OTHER CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, SUCH AS THE TEMPLE AVENUE TANK AND BOOSTER STATION PROJECT AND SOME OTHER UPGRADES THAT I'LL GO THROUGH HERE IN JUST A MINUTE THAT WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON.

ONE OF THE OPTIONS THERE IS RECEIVE WATER FROM THE CITY OF PETERSBURG.

OBVIOUSLY, THAT PROVIDES ANOTHER REGIONAL DEPENDENCY.

THAT'S A LARGER PROJECT.

IT REQUIRES A NEW TANK AND BOOSTER STATION.

AND IF WE WERE TO GO STRAIGHT TO NUMBER FOUR, WE COULD AVOID THAT COST BECAUSE THAT COST COULD BE JUST TEMPORARY.

IF WE DO EVENTUALLY GO TO THE ROUTE 301.

GO CONNECT IT TO THE CENTRAL SYSTEM.

THE LAST FOUR YOU SEE THERE ARE REALLY DEVELOPMENT DRIVEN.

THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT WE WILL ADDRESS IN OUR NEW MASTER PLAN THAT WE'RE GETTING READY TO TRY TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD IN NOVEMBER TO AWARD AN UPDATE TO THAT MASTER PLAN. SO WE IDENTIFY THOSE PROJECTS IN OUR MASTER PLAN FOR DEVELOPMENT TO TO DEVELOP OR TO BUILD AS PART OF THEIR NEW DEVELOPMENT.

MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE ARE THINGS THAT WE WOULD NOT WANT TO TAKE AS A COUNTY PROJECT, SIMPLY BECAUSE THOSE THINGS REALLY ARE

[02:40:07]

SO JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU THE EXAMPLE OF THAT.

THIS IS A RIGHT OF OUR MASTER PLAN.

THE RED LINE IS COMING DOWN SOUTH [INAUDIBLE] ROAD IS THE CONNECTION TO THE CITY OF PETERSBURG.

IT'S A RELATIVELY LONGER WATER MAIN.

A 12 INCH WATER MAIN DOES REQUIRE A BOOSTER STATION AND TANK, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE GREEN LINE THAT YOU SEE TO YOUR RIGHT, WHICH ALSO IS THE CONNECTION TO THE CENTRAL SYSTEM, HAS A BOOSTER STATION AND A TANK.

AND AGAIN, NOW THAT THE GREEN LINE REMOVES THE DEPENDENCY ON CITY OF PETERSBURG, WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GET SOME TYPE OF AGREEMENT FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WATER THAT PETERSBURG WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO DELIVERING TO US.

AND THEN FURTHER DOWN THE THE SCREEN THERE YOU'LL SEE THAT GREEN LINE, WHICH IS A 12 INCH SERVICE EXTENSION THAT OBVIOUSLY CANNOT OCCUR UNTIL ONE OF THOSE OTHER OPTIONS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED.

SO IT BE AND AGAIN, THAT COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES IN FOR THEIR SPECIFIC NEEDS.

AND JUST TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT WE WERE DOING SO FAR, TO MEET SOME OF THIS COUNTY GOALS FOR THE STRATEGIC PLAN.

OBVIOUSLY THESE ARE THE WATER CAPACITY CONCERNS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS.

I JUST MENTIONED WE'RE PLANNING TO AWARD THE UTILITIES MASTER PLAN IN NOVEMBER AND THAT WILL ADDRESS THE LONG TERM PLANS AGAIN BASED ON GROWTH, BUT ALSO WILL ESTABLISH UTILITY SERVICE AREAS, SOMETHING WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE IN OUR MASTER PLAN.

DEFINE THE AREAS WHERE EITHER THE COUNTY IS GOING TO EXPAND OR DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO EXPAND.

DEFINE WHAT AREA THIS PUMP STATION IS GOING TO SERVE, WHAT AREA THIS WATER TANK IS GOING TO SERVE.

AND BASED ON WHERE YOU WANT TO DEVELOP, YOU'RE GOING TO PARTAKE IN THE COST OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND AGAIN, THAT WILL HELP ESTABLISH WHETHER THE COUNTY IS GOING TO BE PAYING FOR IT OR THE DEVELOPER WILL BE PAYING FOR IT.

WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THOSE THREE CAPITAL PROJECTS, THE TEMPLE AVENUE TANK AND BOOSTER STATION.

AGAIN, THAT'S PROJECTED TO BE COMPLETED IN 2025 AND AGAIN THE MIDDLE ROAD TANK AND BOOSTER STATION AS WELL.

ALSO IN 2025 AND WE'RE WORKING ON PLANS TO GET THE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT 16 INCH LINE GOING ATTACHED TO THE BOTTOM OF THE BRIDGE ON TEMPLE AVENUE.

WE'RE WORKING TO GET THAT UNDER THE RIVER.

I'LL GIVE YOU MORE SPECIFIC UPDATES ON THOSE PROJECTS IN JUST A MINUTE.

SOME POTENTIAL FUTURE PROJECTS THAT WE KNOW ARE GOING TO BE FORTHCOMING THAT WE SOME OF THEM ARE AVAILABLE ALREADY.

PLAN IS DONE FOR THE PRINCE GEORGE WOODS COMMUNITY WELLS SYSTEM TO BE CONNECTED TO THE CENTRAL SYSTEM WITH AN EIGHT INCH MAIN AND WE COULD EXTEND OUR CENTRAL SYSTEM OUT TO NEIGHBORHOODS ALONG THE WAY TOWARDS EXIT 45.

SO WE DO DECIDE TO CONNECT TO THE CENTRAL SYSTEM OUT TO EXIT 45.

WE HAVE THAT ABILITY TO CONNECT TO SOME EXISTING SYSTEMS ALONG THE WAY.

AND AGAIN, A 24 INCH WATER LINE FROM THE CENTRAL WATER SOURCE.

I'M SAYING SOURCE HERE BECAUSE IT'S EITHER GOING TO BE FROM [INAUDIBLE] OR OUR OWN WATER TREATMENT PLANT.

WE NEED A 24 INCH WATER LINE, EVENTUALLY DOWN ALL THE WAY TO THE BUSINESS PARK PER OUR CAPITAL PLAN AND PER THE UTILITY'S POINT UTILITY STUDY.

SEWER CAPACITIES.

AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE MASTER PLAN.

SAME THING THERE.

HOWEVER, THERE IS A BEEN IDENTIFIED AS A THAT WE NEEDED TO PERFORM A RISK ASSESSMENT OF OUR REGIONAL DEPENDENCIES.

THIS WAS SPECIFIC TO THE SEWER SIDE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE AGREEMENTS WITH HOPEWELL AND WITH THE CITY OF PETERSBURG THAT LIMIT OUR CAPACITY THAT WE CAN SEND THEM.

CURRENTLY WE HAVE A 2 MILLION GALLON PER DAY CAPACITY FROM HOPEWELL.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH CONNECTIONS WE USE.

IS ITS A 2 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY AT THE PLANT? THE CITY OF PETERSBURG, WE HAVE FIVE DIFFERENT AGREEMENTS WITH THEM, AND ALL OF THEM ARE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF CAPACITY WE CAN SEND THROUGH EACH INDIVIDUAL LOCATION.

AND RIGHT NOW, THE TOTAL IS LIMITED TO ABOUT 1.5 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.

SO CURRENTLY WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THESE TWO PROJECTS THE SOUTH POINT BUSINESS, PARK FORCE MAIN RELOCATION.

WE DO EXPECT THAT TO BE COMPLETED ABOUT A YEAR FROM NOW AND WE'RE WORKING ON THE BLACK SWAN REGIONAL PUMP STATION, WHICH IS THE TRUNK MAIN THROUGH THE BUSINESS PARK WITH A NEW REGIONAL PUMP STATION AND A FORCE MAIN TO HOPEWELL.

AGAIN, THAT'S EXPECTED TO TAKE ABOUT FOUR YEARS TO COMPLETE.

SPECIFIC UPDATES.

I'M GOING TO RUN THROUGH THESE REAL QUICK.

I'M VERY HAPPY TO TELL YOU THAT WE FINALLY GOT THE DRAFT PERMIT, AS I'M SURE YOU GUYS KNOW BY NOW.

EXCUSE ME, THE DRAFT PERMANENT HAS BEEN ADVERTISED.

THE COMMENT PERIOD ENDS ON NOVEMBER 15TH, SO THERE IS A POSSIBILITY FOR A PUBLIC HEARING IF THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ARE SIGNIFICANT AND DEQ DETERMINES THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THOSE.

THE FOOD LION BOOSTER STATION, WE ARE NEARLY COMPLETE.

YOU CAN SEE A PICTURE HERE THAT IS THE STATION, ESSENTIALLY 99% COMPLETE.

THE ONLY THING WE'RE WAITING ON NOW IS FOR PRINCE GEORGE ELECTRIC TO RUN THE ACTUAL POWER OUT TO THE BUILDING AND FOR THE GENERATOR TO ARRIVE.

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EXCUSE ME A SECOND. YEAH THAT 156 WELL LINE EXTENSION IT IS IN SERVICE.

WE ARE USING IT NOW, AS YOU ARE WELL AWARE OF.

WE ARE WORKING WITH PERKINSON TO DO SOME MINOR SEEDING AND STABILIZATION NOW THAT THE SUMMER IS OVER WHERE IT CAN GROW GRASS.

WE WERE WORKING TO GET THEM OUT THERE AND STABILIZE A FEW BARE SPOTS THAT STILL EXIST BUT THAT, EVERYTHING IS 100% DONE THROUGHOUT.

ROUTE 10 WATER LINE EXTENSION OUT TO JORDAN ON THE JAMES AND BEACHWOOD MANOR.

THIS IS THE CONGRESSMAN [INAUDIBLE] FUNDED PROJECT.

THE DESIGN IS COMPLETE.

WE EXPECT TO ADVERTISE IT ON NOVEMBER 1ST AND WE'LL BE BACK TO THIS BOARD, HOPEFULLY AWARD THAT PROJECT IN JANUARY.

THE EXIT 45 ROUTE 301 WATER STRATEGY.

I UNDERLINE WATER STRATEGY.

AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, ONE OF THE STRATEGIES TO DO IT WELL, ONE OF THEM IS TO EXTEND THE CENTRAL SERVICE SYSTEM.

ONE IS TO CONNECT TO THE CITY OF PETERSBURG.

SO AT SOME POINT WE WILL WORK OUT WHICH STRATEGY IS GOING TO BE BEST FOR THE COUNTY AND WE'LL WORK ON AN AWARDING THAT CONTRACT HOPEFULLY VERY SOON.

IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT WE WERE GOING TO AWARD THE WELL IN NOVEMBER, AND THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE STILL NEED TO WORK TOWARDS.

BUT THE ULTIMATELY, I THINK WE NEED TO ALSO BE WORKING TOWARDS A FINAL DESIGN TO EXTEND THE CENTRAL SYSTEM.

THE BLACKWATER SWAMP REGIONAL PUMP STATION.

AGAIN, THAT'S THE TRUNK LINE THROUGH THE BUSINESS PARK.

AND THAT WILL ALLOW US TO TAKE A FEW OF OUR PUMP STATIONS OFFLINE AND MAKE THOSE ALL GRAVITY INTO THIS REGIONAL PUMP STATION AND PUMP IT OUT TO THE CITY OF HOPEWELL.

WE ARE WORKING WITH ENGINEER RIGHT NOW ON A PROPOSAL, AND WE'LL BRING THAT TO YOU IN NOVEMBER AS WELL TO AWARD.

THOUGHT MY FINGER KEEPS HITTING SOMETHING.

TEMPLE AVENUE TANK AND BOOSTER STATION.

THIS IS A PROJECT THAT'S ACTUALLY LOCATED ON RIVER ROAD ON THE 25 ACRES THAT WE JUST PURCHASED FOR THIS PROJECT, FOR THIS PROJECT AND FOR THE WATER FUTURE WATER TREATMENT PLANT. WE GOT NOW DESIGNS THAT ARE 50% COMPLETE.

AND WE ALSO JUST ISSUED THAT CHANGE ORDER AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING OR ACTUALLY PREVIOUS BOARD MEETING BEFORE THAT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ALIGNMENT ISSUES WITH THE WATER MAIN.

LET'S DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE EXISTING WATER MAINS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DELIVER UP TO 2 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY AT THE BUSINESS PARK.

EXCUSE ME. THE WATERLINE UNDER THE APPOMATTOX RIVER.

WE'RE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND SCHEDULE ON THIS ONE.

WE ARE AT 90% COMPLETE ON THE PLAN DESIGNS.

WE ARE STILL WORKING WITH THE ENGINEER TO ADDRESS SOME MINOR ISSUES.

WE DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED AS FAR AS THE DEPTH OF THE WATER MAIN UNDER THE RIVER THAT CAUSED SOME SIGNIFICANT COST, OBVIOUSLY THE DEEPER YOU GO.

SO WE ARE WORKING ON THOSE, BUT WE DO HOPE TO GET THIS ADVERTISED SOME TIME, NO LATER THAN JANUARY TO RECEIVE BIDS.

AND THE ROUTE 156 WATER TANK AND WATER TANK AND PUMPING STATION.

THAT IS THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE LOCATED ON MIDDLE ROAD.

WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR ENGINEER NOW TO PUT TOGETHER A PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING REPORT WHICH WILL DEFINE ALL THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO AND INCLUDING THE AGREEMENTS THAT WE NEED TO GET WITH THE VIRGINIA AMERICAN WATER AND ALSO DEFINE EXACTLY WHAT THEY ANTICIPATE THE COST WILL BE.

SO WE'LL GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE IN ABOUT A MONTH FROM NOW.

BUT THEY'RE ALSO WORKING ON THE FIELD WORK, WHICH INCLUDES GEOTECHNICAL WORK AND SURVEY WORK.

SO WHILE THEY'RE DOING THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING PORT, ALL THE OTHER WORK IS STILL CONTINUING TOWARDS GETTING A DESIGN DONE.

THE SOUTH POINT BUSINESS PARK FORCE MAIN RELOCATION.

THE PICTURE HERE JUST SHOWS IN RED WHERE WE ARE THAT WHERE THAT NEW FORCE MAIN WILL BE LOCATED.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S GOING TO CONNECT OVER AT QDOBA PARKWAY CROSS UNDER 295.

FOLLOW ALONG THE THE OFF RAMP FROM FROM 295 ONTO 460 AND TAKE A RIGHT TURN HARD THROUGH THE THROUGH A FIELD AND SOME WETLANDS AND EVENTUALLY OVER NEAR WALTON ELEMENTARY UNTIL WE GET BACK OVER TO THE EXISTING PUMP STATION THAT'S ACTUALLY LOCATED IN PETERSBURG.

WE ARE EXPECTING AGAIN, THIS TO BE ADVERTISED NOVEMBER 1ST AND HOPEFULLY HAVE IT AWARDED TO A CONTRACTOR IN JANUARY.

SOME POTENTIAL FUTURE PROJECTS.

I'VE ALREADY WENT THROUGH SOME OF THESE, AS YOU KNOW, GETTING READY TO COME BACK TO YOU HERE IN A MOMENT TO ASK FOR A PER FOR THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT.

BUT THOSE THINGS ARE COMING.

BUT IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO PROCEED TO BE SOMEWHAT WATER INDEPENDENT, THAT WOULD BE OUR NEXT STEP.

AND THEN THE 24 INCH WATER LINE FROM TEMPLE TO SOUTH POINT BUSINESS PARK.

THAT'S, AGAIN, THE WATER SOURCE PROJECT.

WHEREVER IT'S COMING FROM, WE'RE GOING TO EVENTUALLY NEED TO UPGRADE OUR WATER SUPPLY LINE ALL THE WAY TO THE BUSINESS PARK TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO MEET THE DEMANDS THERE AT

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THESE ARE REALLY HERE FOR YOUR INFORMATION.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE, WE CAN DEFINITELY SPEAK TO THEM.

MOST OF THESE ARE IF THEY'RE NOT ALREADY IN THE MASTER PLAN, THEY WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE FUTURE MASTER PLAN.

BUT A LOT OF THESE WILL HELP THE COUNTY TO MOVE FORWARD TOWARDS MEETING ALL OF OUR STRATEGIC GOALS.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

HOW'S OUR ICE PICK COMING? ICE PICKING WILL BEGIN NEXT MONDAY, OCTOBER 31ST ON HALLOWEEN.

THE SCHEDULE WILL LOOK ABOUT 9:00 AM.

WE WILL START THE ACTUAL ICE PICKING ACTIVITIES, AND THEY SHOULD END AROUND NOON.

WE GAVE OUR NOTIFYING CUSTOMERS WITH DOOR HANGERS AND MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A POTENTIAL TO SHUT THEIR WATER METER OFF TO TRY TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF SALT THAT MIGHT GET INTO THEIR SERVICE LINES.

AND BUT THAT ACTIVITY SHOULD BE COMPLETELY DONE BY 2 P.M.

EACH DAY. IT WILL TAKE SIX DAYS.

SO IT'LL BE THAT WHOLE WEEK FROM OCTOBER 1ST TO THE 4TH, AND THEN WE'LL PICK UP AGAIN ON THE 7TH OF NOVEMBER FOR THAT FINAL DAY, WHICH IS THAT MONDAY BEFORE ELECTION DAY.

AND THEN WE'LL BE HOPEFULLY DONE AND THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF BEECHWOOD CEDAR WOOD AND A PORTION OF RIVER'S EDGE.

IF THEY GET A SALTY TASTE OR SOMETHING, JUST RUN THE WATER A LITTLE WHILE TO CORRECT.

WE'VE SUGGESTED IN OUR DOOR HANGER THAT TO RUN THEIR WATER FOR ABOUT 2 TO 3 MINUTES AND IT SHOULD ELIMINATE IT ALL.

WE ARE ALSO GOING TO RUN THE WATER FORM AT THEIR HOSE BIB ON THE HOUSE JUST TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE BIGGEST PLUG OUT OF THEIR FIRST.

SO THEY MAY GET A LITTLE BIT OF ANY INTO THERE INTO THE ACTUAL HOME ITSELF.

HOW MUCH NOTICE DO YOU PROVIDE THE CITIZENS PRIOR TO ENGAGING IN AN ACTIVITY SUCH AS ON OR JUST MENTIONED.

SO WE ACTUALLY SEND OUT NOTIFICATION TO EVERYBODY THROUGH MAIL LAST WEEK AND WE ARE GIVING ANOTHER NOTIFICATION THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT ON THEIR DOOR ABOUT TWO DAYS BEFOREHAND.

SO THE ACTIVITY THAT HAPPENED ON MONDAY, WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT OUT THERE ON EITHER THURSDAY OR FRIDAY.

SO THEY HAVE TIME TO PREPARE THEMSELVES IF THEY NEED.

CORRECT. GET THEIR OWN DRINKING WATER BOTTLES, WHATEVER THE CASE IS.

CORRECT. AND ACTUALLY, OUR PIO SENT OUT A PRESS RELEASE ON IT, TOO, RIGHT? HE SURE DID. YEAH.

AND THEY SHOULDN'T NEED TO PROVIDE THEIR OWN WATER BOTTLES OR THE WATER THEY'RE GOING TO GET AFTER THIS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE BETTER THAN THEY'VE EVER BEEN.

WELL, SHOULD I SAY PREPARE? CORRECT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AND AS LONG AS YOU'RE UP THERE, YOU HAVE ANOTHER A5 AWARD OF CONTRACT.

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AND OBVIOUSLY OUR NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO MOVE TOWARDS A FUTURE DESIGN OF THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT IF IT SO PLEASES THE BOARD.

THE FIRST STEP REALLY WOULD BE TO DO A PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING REPORT TO IDENTIFY WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE.

AND SOME OF THAT WORK HAS BEEN DONE THROUGH OUR SOUTH POINT UTILITY STUDY.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE WANT TO IDENTIFY WHAT THOSE POTENTIAL COSTS ARE GOING TO BE A POTENTIAL SCHEDULE.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE DO AWARD THIS PROJECT.

WE DID RECEIVE A PROPOSAL FROM WW ASSOCIATES AND FOR $100,000 TO DO THE PER AND THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT TO PROVIDE THE BOARD SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, TO MAKE SOME DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WATER TREATMENT PLAN.

[INAUDIBLE] NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU SOME CREDIT.

I WAS GOING TO SAY, YOU PROBABLY KNOW WHAT MR. WEBB IS GOING TO ASK YOU.

IS THIS ONE NOT TO EXCEED? THIS IS A LUMP SUM CONTRACT.

THIS IS A NOT.

RESOLUTION THAT'S PRESENTED.

AND I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

MRS. WAYMACK. YES.

MR. HUNTER? YES, MR. BROWN? YES, MR. CARMICHAEL? YES, MR. WEBB? YES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, SIR.

A LOT GOING ON, MR. HOLCOMB.

GOOD JOB. YES, YOU DO.

NEXT, WE HAVE MR.

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OH, RIGHT. THAT WAS NICE.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

THAT WAY YOU CAN JUST GO TO THAT SLIDE WITH THE BIG THUMBS UP.

WE'RE LOOKING GOOD.

YEAH. YEAH, I'M GOOD.

I'M JOKING YOU. GOOD EVENING AGAIN.

BOARD MEMBERS.

MR. STOKE. MR. WHITTEN, I'M GOING TO MOVE THIS THROUGH THIS PRETTY QUICKLY BECAUSE OF THE LATE HOUR.

BECAUSE YOU GOT IT IN ADVANCE.

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IT'S VERY EARLY IN THE FISCAL YEAR, SEPTEMBER 30TH.

ONE QUARTER OF TRANSACTIONS, OUR REVENUES ARE QUITE SMALL AT THIS POINT UNDER 6%, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR IN THE GENERAL FUND TO PRIOR YEARS. NO RED FLAGS.

AS THE BOARD KNOWS.

THIS IS THE COMMITMENTS FROM FUND BALANCE THAT WE START EARLY IN THE YEAR.

THESE ARE ROUTINE PURCHASE ORDER CARRYOVERS GRANTS, DONATION CARRY FORWARD.

THE FY 21 AUDITED FUND BALANCE NUMBER IS $33.4.

I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO ADD ABOUT $3.1 MILLION TO THE FUND BALANCE AUDIT FY 22 PRELIMINARY ESTIMATE.

JUST A COUPLE OF NOTEWORTHY THINGS.

REAL ESTATE TAXES, OF COURSE, THE FIRST HALF IS DUE ON DECEMBER 5TH.

THOSE BILLS HAVE HIT MAILBOXES AND HAVE GONE TO MORTGAGE ESCROW COMPANIES FOR PAYMENT.

PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES ARE WAY DOWN THE ROAD IN JUNE OF 2023.

SALES TAX REVENUES ARE EARLY INDICATORS OR THAT WE WILL MEET OR EXCEED THE LEVELS IN FY 22.

ACTUALLY, SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER WERE HIGHER THAN THE PRECEDING SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER FROM THIS CHART.

SO AGAIN, NO RED FLAGS GENERAL FUND OUR REVENUES ON A PERCENTAGE BASIS OR VERY SIMILAR TO THE TO THE PERCENTAGE LEVELS FOR PRIOR YEAR.

WE'LL HAVE BETTER INFORMATION FOR THE QUARTER TWO REPORT, WHICH I WILL PROVIDE IN JANUARY.

AS ALWAYS, WE SPEND CAUTIOUSLY.

SPEAKING OF EXPENDITURES, OUR EXPENDITURES ARE IN LINE AGAIN WITH PERCENTAGE LEVELS FROM PRIOR YEARS, JUST OVER 25.5%.

THERE'S YOUR THUMBS UP UTILITIES.

IT'S NORMAL AT THIS TIME OF YEAR TO RUN AN OPERATING DEFICIT.

IN FACT, WE BUDGET AN OPERATING DEFICIT AND DO DEPEND ON SOME RESERVES FOR OPERATIONS.

OUR NET POSITION IS POSITIVE.

CAPITAL PROJECTS, THESE ARE THE STANDARD LISTS THAT YOU'VE SEEN FOR THE LAST FEW MEETINGS.

BUT JUST TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW, YOUR GARAGE EXPANSION IS ONGOING AND THE PAY APPLICATION THAT WE RECEIVED ON SEPTEMBER 30TH INDICATED THAT WORK WAS 33 AND ONE HALF PERCENT COMPLETE.

THERE ARE SOME FAIRLY RECENT PHOTOS OF THE ACTIVITY.

I'M SURE YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THE BAY STEEL.

IT IS TALLER, OF COURSE, TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE LARGE FIRE APPARATUS.

OUR PUBLIC SAFETY RADIO PROJECT HAS COMPLETED OUR RADIO COVERAGE TESTING TOWER SITE INSPECTIONS AND IS IN DISCUSSIONS FOR WHATEVER PLANNING. SO THAT IS HOPEFULLY IN THE WRAP UP PHASES.

THE CIRCUIT COURT ROOM RENOVATION BIDS WERE DUE TODAY AND WE DID RECEIVE TWO BIDS AND PLANNED TO PROVIDE YOU WITH AN AWARD OF CONTRACT ON NOVEMBER 9TH.

THE LOW BID WAS IN LINE WITH THE ESTIMATE THAT YOU GOT FROM MOSELEY ARCHITECTS IN AUGUST.

SO WE ARE HAPPY TO REPORT THAT WE WILL.

HOPEFULLY IF EVERYTHING WORKS OUT, WE ARE STILL CHECKING REFERENCES AND MAKING SURE ALL THE APPROPRIATE DOCUMENTS WERE SUBMITTED.

BUT WE WILL HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR YOU ON NOVEMBER 9TH.

YEAH, WE WERE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED TODAY.

WE DID ONLY RECEIVE TWO BIDS, WHICH WAS A BIT CONCERNING WHEN WE ONLY HAD TWO ENVELOPES TO OPEN, BUT THEY WERE REASONABLE.

SO SCHOOL CAPITAL PROJECTS.

THE LIST IS SHORT, BUT OF COURSE THEIR LARGEST PROJECT IS THE NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ON MILL ROAD.

THIS SEPTEMBER 30TH PAY GAP INDICATED THAT WORK WITH CHANGE ORDERS WAS AT 88% COMPLETION.

I THINK THEY ARE STILL WAITING FOR SOME DRIVERS FOR THEIR HVAC SYSTEM AND I DO NOT HAVE AN UPDATED MOVE IN DATE, BUT WE'VE NOT GOTTEN ANY CHANGE COMMUNICATION FROM THE SUPERINTENDENT.

TOURISM FUND IS HEALTHY.

WE'VE COLLECTED 25% OF BUDGETED LODGING TAXES WITH REALLY ONLY TWO MONTHS WORTH OF REVENUE POSTED BECAUSE WE DO ACCRUED JULY BACK TO THE PRIOR YEAR.

WE BUDGETED $642,000 IN LODGING TAX REVENUE AND COLLECTED $880,000 IN FY 22.

SO WE ARE ON TARGET TO EXCEED OUR BUDGET AGAIN THIS YEAR.

AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE EXPENDITURE SECTION, WE DO HAVE SOME NEW GRANTS THAT YOU'VE APPROPRIATED AS WELL AS A NEW SPORTS TOURISM LINE ITEM . ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, SIMILAR STORY.

OUR COLLECTED MEALS TAX REALLY IS ONLY ONE MONTH'S WORTH OF REVENUE BECAUSE WE MOVED JULY AND AUGUST BACK TO THE PRIOR FISCAL YEAR. BUT WE ARE AT 10.9% SIMILAR TO WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR.

WE BUDGETED $1.4 MILLION IN MEALS, TAXES AND ACTUALLY COLLECTED NEARLY $1.7 IN FY 22.

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WE'VE COLLECTED $15,000 COMPARED TO A FULL YEAR OF COLLECTION IN FY 22 OF $20,000.

THOSE ARE THE BALANCES, PRETTY SMALL, BUT YOU DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE THESE FUNDS FOR PROJECTS AND THE SPECIFIED CATEGORIES.

RED FLEX WE WE HAVE ACTUALLY COLLECTED $2,165.20.

WE HAD COLLECTED NOTHING SEPTEMBER OF 2021 AND JUST $206 THE PRIOR SEPTEMBER.

AGAIN, THIS IS ABOUT STUDENT SAFETY, NOT ABOUT THE MONEY.

BUT THESE FUNDS DO GET APPROPRIATED TO THE SCHOOLS CAPITAL BUS LINE ITEM.

HEALTH INSURANCE FUND.

THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND BALANCE AT SEPTEMBER 30TH WAS $1.5 MILLION.

THIS IS A DECREASE FROM WHERE WE WERE LAST SEPTEMBER AT $1.85 MILLION, FOR THE ENTIRE FISCAL YEAR I REPORTED TO YOU IN THE PRELIMINARY YEAR END QUARTERLY REPORT JUST LAST MONTH.

OUR CLAIMS EXCEEDED OUR PREMIUMS BY $1,110,000, AND THE SCHOOL HAD A DEFICIT OF $1.7 MILLION WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAD A POSITIVE OR FAVORABLE OUTCOME OF $597.

SO THE SCHOOL DIVISION, OF COURSE, TRANSITIONED TO THE LOCAL CHOICE ON JULY 1.

BUT THERE IS THERE ARE STILL SOME STRAGGLING CLAIMS COMING IN.

AND AS OF SEPTEMBER 30TH, CLAIMS EXCEEDED CONTRIBUTIONS BY $295,000 WITH THE SCHOOL DIVISION SINCE JULY ONE, HAVING A DEFICIT OF $512 AND THE COUNTY HAS SURPLUS OF $217.

SO IN SUMMARY, ON SEPTEMBER 30TH, THE SCHOOL WAS IN THE RED BY ABOUT $630,000.

WE WERE IN THE BLACK BY $2.1 TO COME UP WITH THAT $1.5 MILLION COMBINED BALANCE.

THEY UNDERSTAND THE NEED THAT THEY WILL NEED TO MAKE THE HEALTH FUND WHOLE, AND IT MAY TAKE THEM A COUPLE OF YEARS OF APPROPRIATING SOME OF THEIR CARRYOVER TO THE HEALTH FUND.

JUST TO MENTION, WE ACTUALLY RECEIVED A FAIRLY SIZABLE HEALTH PREMIUM OR HEALTH PRESCRIPTION REBATE, AND A PART OF THAT WAS THE SCHOOLS REBATE.

THOSE CREDITS RUN ABOUT A YEAR BEHIND.

WE'VE HAD TO DIG IN AND GET MORE INFORMATION FROM OUR HEALTH REP.

BUT SINCE OCTOBER 1, THE SCHOOL HAS CREDITS OF ABOUT $51,000 THAT WILL GO AGAINST THAT $629.

SO SO JUST TO MENTION TO YOU, THAT NUMBER IS NOT A FINAL NUMBER BY ANY STRETCH, AND IT'S NOT URGENT AT THIS POINT THAT THEY RESTORE IT IMMEDIATELY.

WE STILL DO HAVE A $1.5 MILLION SURPLUS OVERALL AND EXPECT THAT TO GROW.

SO LOOKING AHEAD, THE REAL ESTATE BILLS, AS I MENTIONED THIS, WHEN I PREPARED THE PRESENTATION, THEY WERE AT THE PRINTERS.

SINCE THAT TIME, THEY'VE GONE OUT IN THE MAIL.

YEAR END JOURNAL ENTRIES FOR SOME FAIRLY COMPLEX YEAR END ITEMS OR IN PROGRESS AT FIXED ASSETS OR OTHER POST-EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS AND PENSION ENTRIES ARE STILL UNDERWAY.

THE AUDITORS WILL SHOW UP ON HALLOWEEN IN TIME FOR THE ICE PIGGING NEXT WEEK AND WE'LL BE ON SITE THAT WEEK AND OUR AUDITED FINANCIAL STATEMENTS WILL BE PREPARED BY NOVEMBER 30TH WITH A PRESENTATION TO YOU IN DECEMBER.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

NO, MA'AM. GREAT JOB.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I'M GOING TO JUMP DOWN NOW TO A4 SO THAT OUR POOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM PEOPLE CAN GO GET SOMETHING TO

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DRANK. SHE MEANT EAT.

MS. ENGLISH, COME FORWARD, PLEASE.

GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR.

MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

I'M JUST HERE TO ASK PERMISSION TO APPLY FOR A DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT GRANT.

WE ARE ASKING TO APPLY FOR THE INDUSTRIAL THE INDUSTRIAL REVITALIZATION FUND PLANNING GRANT.

WE RECEIVED THIS GRANT LAST YEAR AND WERE ABLE TO PERFORM SOME ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES ON THE CONTINENTAL MOTEL BEFORE WE DEMOLISHED IT.

SO THIS YEAR WE WOULD LIKE TO OR THIS CYCLE WE WOULD LIKE TO APPLY TO PERFORM A MASTER PLAN OF EXIT 45, INCLUDING SOME

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SO WE ARE ASKING, WE DID RECEIVE A QUOTE FOR THE MASTER PLAN AND THAT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET AND IT'S AROUND $45,000.

WE ARE STILL GETTING SOME QUOTES FOR SOME FURTHER STUDIES ON THE STEVEN KENT.

SO WE ARE ASKING FOR THE AUTHORIZATION TO APPLY FOR NO MORE THAN $100,000 FOR THIS GRANT AND THERE IS NO MATCH BY THE COUNTY THAT'S REQUIRED AND THE GRANT APPLICATION IS DUE NEXT FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 4TH.

AND WE ARE PREPARED TO SUBMIT THAT IF APPROVED.

AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

QUESTIONS? NO, MA'AM.

MA'AM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT, GREAT IDEA.

THANK YOU, SIR. I WISH YOU WELL ON IT.

THANK YOU. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, GO AHEAD.

MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED.

SECOND. THANK YOU ALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

THANK YOU, MR. HUNTER.

YES, MR. BROWN? YES, MR. CARMICHAEL. MR. WEBB? YES. MRS. WAYMACK. YES, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

NEXT, WE'LL ASK MS. DREWRY TO COME BACK A6 AUTHORITY OF POWERFUL LOCAL ASSISTANCE.

YES, MA'AM. GOOD EVENING AGAIN.

ON SEPTEMBER 29TH, WE RECEIVED NOTIFICATION FROM THE US DEPARTMENT OF TREASURY OF AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME ADDITIONAL FEDERAL FUNDS.

THESE FUNDS ARE CALLED FEDERAL LOCAL ASSISTANCE AND TRIBAL CONSISTENCY FUNDS.

AND ARP ARPA FUNDS ARE THE SOURCE OF THIS.

WE ATTENDED A VIRTUAL INFORMATION SESSION ON OCTOBER 4TH AND LEARNED THAT THE COUNTY IS ELIGIBLE TO APPLY FOR AND RECEIVE $100,000 PAYABLE AND TWO EQUAL TRANCHES OF $50 GRAND.

THESE FUNDS CAN BE USED FOR ANY GOVERNMENTAL PURPOSE EXCEPT FOR LOBBYING ACTIVITIES.

SO WE HAVE VERY BROAD USE FOR THESE FUNDS AND THE APPLICATION IS DUE TO BE SUBMITTED ON THE ONLINE PORTAL BY JANUARY 31ST.

BUT WE WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO GET THAT SUBMITTED AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.

WE DID PROVIDE SOME ATTACHMENTS THAT GIVE YOU SOME GUIDANCE AND THE LISTING OF VIRGINIA ALLOCATIONS.

SO IN KEEPING WITH OUR FINANCIAL POLICIES, THESE ARE ONE TIME TYPE FUNDS.

WE WOULD RECOMMEND USING THEM FOR ONE TIME TYPE PURCHASES.

AND TENTATIVELY, MR. STOKE HAS BEEN IN COMMUNICATIONS WITH MR. SIMMONS AND MR. [INAUDIBLE] ABOUT THE NEED TO IMPLEMENT A A FUEL MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, A VEHICLE FUEL MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT INTEGRATES WITH OUR FLEET MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

THIS SYSTEM WOULD AUTOMATE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE BEING DONE MANUALLY.

IT WOULD TRACK WHO IS FUELING ONLY ALLOW CHIP EQUIPPED VEHICLES TO FUEL AT OUR VARIOUS FUELING SITES, AND WE'LL PROVIDE MR. ]INAUDIBLE] A HOST OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE VEHICLE THAT IS FUELING INCLUDING THE ODOMETER WHEN THE NEXT PM IS DUE FOR CERTAIN THINGS.

BUT WHAT I'M ASKING FOR THIS EVENING, WE WE'LL BRING YOU MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT SYSTEM AT A LATER MEETING.

BUT WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR THIS EVENING IS AN AUTHORITY TO APPLY FOR THE FUNDING.

I JUST KNOW THAT FUEL MONITORING SYSTEM WILL BE A GREAT HELP BECAUSE AS PREVIOUSLY BEING HERE, YOU HAD TO SEND THAT MILEAGE IN AND THAT HAD TO BE TABULATED OVER THERE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

IT'LL BE A MATTER OF SWIPING AND IT TELLS YOU TELLS THEM WHAT IT IS.

SO I THINK WOULD BE GREAT.

SO I AGREE.

YEAH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION WE ACCEPT IT.

SECOND, THANK YOU.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

MR. BROWN. YES, MR. CARMICHAEL? YES, MR. WEBB? YES. MRS. WAYMACK. YES, MR. HUNTER? YES.

THANK YOU, MRS. DREWRY. DON'T GO ANYWHERE.

YOU'RE NEXT. YOU HAVE A RESOLUTION FOR APPROPRIATION OF FEDERAL PROGRAM FUNDS.

YES, MA'AM. WE HAVE RECEIVED OUR DISTRIBUTION OF FY 23 FIRE PROGRAM FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OF $172,561.

AND WE ARE ASKING FOR APPROPRIATION OF THOSE FUNDS TO THE FIRE AND EMS ADMINISTRATIVE BUDGET.

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SO I'M ASKING FOR AN APPROPRIATION THIS EVENING.

MADAM CHAIR. SO MOVED.

I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

MR. CARMICHAEL? YES, MR. WEBB? YES. MRS. WAYMACK.

YES, MR. HUNTER? YES, MR. BROWN? YES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YOUR TURN MR. WHITTEN A8 AUTHORITY ADVERTISING ORDINANCE.

YES, MADAM CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

MR. STOKE. SECTION 74-263 OF THE COUNTY CODE STATES THAT SPECIAL ASSESSMENT FOR LAND PRESERVATION MAY BE REQUESTED BY APPLICATION, AND THE ASSESSOR DETERMINES WHETHER THE SUBJECT PROPERTY MEETS THE CRITERIA.

HOWEVER, THE CURRENT CODE SECTION DOES NOT SAY WHAT DOCUMENTATION IS NEEDED TO SUPPORT THE USE.

SO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WOULD STATE WHAT DOCUMENTATION IS NEEDED FOR AGRICULTURAL AND HORTICULTURAL USE, FORESTRY USE AND OPEN SPACE USE.

THE DOCUMENTATION WILL BE NEEDED FOR THE INITIAL APPLICATION AND THE RE VALIDATION EVERY SIX YEAR THEREAFTER.

THE AMENDMENT ALSO WOULD ALLOW FOR OPEN SPACE AGREEMENTS WHICH WE'RE PROPOSING WOULD BE A FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT, AND I'LL HAVE A SAMPLE AGREEMENT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING IF IT IS ADVERTISED TO SHOW THE BOARD WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

BUT THIS WOULD BE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE OWNER.

IT WOULD BE SIGNED BY THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, BASICALLY STATING THAT THE PROPERTY WON'T BE SUBDIVIDED OR RESENT FOR FIVE YEARS.

AND OTHER SURROUNDING LOCALITIES HAVE THIS TYPE OF AGREEMENT IN PLACE OF THE OWNERS.

THE ORDINANCE IS ENCLOSED IN YOUR PACKET.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THE PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE NOVEMBER 22ND.

I'M SURE. YES.

DAN I GOT A QUESTION. DID YOU JUST SAY EVERYTHING ELSE IS SIX YEARS, BUT THIS IS FIVE.

SO BASICALLY THE AGREEMENT WOULD BE FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD.

FOR I MEAN, FOR EVERYTHING ELSE, FOR THE FORESTRY.

SO YOU HAVE TO REVALIDATE ON THE SIX YEAR.

YOU HAVE TO REVALIDATE EVERY FIVE YEARS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YOU HAVE YOUR INITIAL APPLICATION AND THEN SIX YEARS LATER, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE.

I UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE I HEARD SIX AND I HEARD FIVE.

UNDER THE STATE CODE, THE AGREEMENT CAN BE BETWEEN FIVE AND TEN YEARS.

BUT IN TALKING TO THE ASSESSOR, HE'S ENVISIONING MORE A FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT, WHICH IS WHAT OTHER LOCALITIES HAVE.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING.

ALL RIGHT. MADAM CHAIR, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I WOULD SO MOVE THAT WE WOULD AUTHORIZE FOR ADVERTISEMENT A PUBLIC HEARING FOR NOVEMBER THE 22ND RELATED TO THIS MATTER.

AND I'LL SECOND.

THANK YOU. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

MR. WEBB. YES? MRS. WAYMACK. YES, MR. HUNTER. YES.

MR. BROWN. YES.

MR. CARMICHAEL.

YES. OKAY.

NEXT, WE GO TO A9, THE AUTHORITY TO ADVERTISE A PUBLIC HEARING.

MR. WHITTEN YES.

SO THIS ITEM IS FOR THE COUNTY TO SELL A PROPERTY LOCATED OFF HARDWARE DRIVE.

IT'S TWO SEPARATE TAX PARCEL NUMBERS.

AND BASICALLY THE SURVEY IN YOUR IN YOUR PACKET SHOWS WHERE THERE'S BEEN A SUBDIVISION OF THE TWO COUNTY PROPERTIES THAT WOULD ENABLE A 3.66 ACRE PORTION OF THE PROPERTIES TO BE SOLD TO WALLERMANN LLC FOR $9,990 PER ACRE.

THAT AMOUNT WAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED WITH THE BOARD.

THERE IS A PLOT THAT SHOWS IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE HOW THE TWO PARCELS HAVE BEEN SUBDIVIDED, BUT IT DOES CREATE A 3.66 ACRE PORTION PARCEL. ONLY ONE ADVERTISEMENTS REQUIRED, NOT TWO.

SO THAT'S WHY WE CAN HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON NOVEMBER 9TH.

AND THEN CLOSING WOULD MOST LIKELY BE WITHIN 30 DAYS.

AND SO THIS WOULD BE TO APPROVE AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE WOULD THEN SIGN A CONTRACT WITH THE BUYER TO SELL THE PROPERTY.

I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS MADAM CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE RESOLUTION FOR ADVERTISE A PUBLIC HEARING AS STATED.

SECOND. WE HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND. THANK YOU.

CALL THE ROLL. MR. WEBB. YES.

MR. CARMICHAEL? YES.

MR. BROWN? YES.

MR. HUNTER? YES.

MRS. WAYMACK? YES.

THANK YOU. NOW ON TO A10 THE APPROVAL OF A COUNTY WIDE ROOM RENTAL POLICY.

MR. WHITTEN? YES.

SO I HAVE A QUICK PRESENTATION WHICH I'LL FLY THROUGH, BUT BASICALLY THE COUNTY [INAUDIBLE] AND MR. STICK, HAVE REQUESTED THAT I PUT TOGETHER A POLICY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS.

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AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH IT, PLEASE INTERRUPT ME.

AND IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

OTHERWISE, THE POLICY IS READY FOR APPROVAL TONIGHT.

SO AS WE'VE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED, THERE ARE CERTAIN RENTALS THAT ARE AVAILABLE THROUGH COUNTY ADMINISTRATION, COMMUNITY ROOM, BOARD ROOM AND KIND OF BREAK ROOM.

AND THERE'S RENTALS THAT ARE AVAILABLE THROUGH FIRE AND EMS, WHICH ARE IN THE CENTRAL WELLNESS CENTER.

NOW, THE RENTALS THAT REQUIRE BOARD APPROVAL ARE THE ANNUAL LEASES, WHICH REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE IN THE CENTRAL WELLNESS CENTER ARE LISTED THERE, AS WELL AS THE BOROUGH'S CIVIL SCHOOL, WHICH HAS A FIVE YEAR LEASE.

SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN THE POLICY IS THAT THE PARKS AND REC FACILITIES THAT ARE MANAGED BY PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT WOULD BE EXEMPT FROM THIS POLICY BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE A SEPARATE POLICY.

SO RATHER THAN BRINGING THEM IN WITHIN THIS POLICY, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THEY KEEP THEIR SEPARATE POLICY.

SO THAT WOULD APPLY TO THE FACILITIES THAT YOU SEE ON YOUR SCREEN.

DISPUTANTA COMMUNITY BUILDING, TEMPLE RECREATION PARK, JEJ MOORE ATHLETIC COMPLEX, SCOTT PARK, THE PRINCE GEORGE COMMUNITY CENTER, AND JUST THE GYMNASIUM AT THE CENTRAL WELLNESS CENTER.

SO THE APPLICATION PROCESS, BASICALLY WE WOULD HAVE A PROPOSED APPLICATION, WHICH I'M STILL PUTTING TOGETHER, WHERE BASICALLY THE GROUP WOULD APPLY ON A FIRST COME FIRST SERVE BASIS AND THE APPLICATION WOULD GO TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OR AS DESIGNATE AND FIRST PRIORITY WOULD GO TO COUNTY DEPARTMENTS AND COUNTY PUBLIC BODIES TO USE THE FACILITY.

BUT YOU CAN MAKE A RESERVATION SIX MONTHS IN ADVANCE UNLESS THE GROUP HAS AN ANNUAL LEASE AND IT WOULD BE MOST LIKELY A ONE DAY USE OR ONCE PER WEEK. THIS ISN'T YOUR BOOKING THE SPACE FOR A YEAR PERIOD.

YOU'RE BOOKING FOR A ONE DAY OR ONCE A WEEK, ONCE A MONTH.

SO YOU MAKE THE YOU WOULD APPLY 30 DAYS IN ADVANCE AND YOU PROVIDE A STATEMENT IN YOUR APPLICATION STATING THE PURPOSE WHY YOU WANT TO USE THE ROOM.

AND THEN THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT OR DESIGNATE TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE THIS APPLICATION.

IT WOULD NOT HAVE TO COME TO THE BOARD FOR THIS SINGLE USE OR MULTI-USE APPLICATION.

SO ANNUAL LEASES WOULD HAVE TO COME TO THE BOARD.

THOSE WOULD BE APPROVED AFTER A PUBLIC HEARING.

AND WE'RE PROPOSING THAT ANNUAL LEASES BE SUBMITTED 60 DAYS IN ADVANCE TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

SO USE OF FACILITY, AS WE TALKED ABOUT, PUBLIC BODIES AND COUNTY DEPARTMENTS WOULD BE GIVEN PRIORITY.

THE FACILITY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE USED FOR PROFIT MAKING ACTIVITIES.

ALL PUBLICITY MUST CARRY THE NAME OF THE INDIVIDUAL GROUP SPONSORING THE EVENT, AND THE COUNTY WOULD NOT BE IDENTIFIED AS A SPONSOR, AND NEITHER THE NAME NOR ADDRESSES OF THE COUNTY FACILITY WOULD BE USED AS THE OFFICIAL ADDRESS OR HEADQUARTERS OF THE GROUP.

AND THE FACT THAT THE GROUP IS PERMITTED TO MEET DOES NOT IN ANY WAY CONSTITUTE AN ENDORSEMENT OF THE GROUP'S POLICIES OR BELIEFS BY THE BOARD.

SO OTHER REGULATIONS, BASICALLY THE PERSON WHO SIGNED THE APPLICATION AND THE WORK WOULD BE FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGE TO THE BUILDING OR EQUIPMENT AND THE ORGANIZATION WOULD BE EXPECTED TO LEAVE THE FACILITY READY FOR SERVICES BY THE COUNTY THE NEXT DAY.

AND THE COUNTY WOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR TRANSPORTING ANY EQUIPMENT OR FURNITURE OR ANYTHING OF THAT REGARD.

AND THE FURNITURE COULD ONLY BE REMOVED OR REARRANGED IF THERE'S COUNTY APPROVAL.

AND SAME AS THERE CANNOT BE ANY STAGING OR DECORATIONS OR HANGING OF ANYTHING WITHOUT COUNTY APPROVAL.

SO INSURANCE.

RIGHT NOW, ALL OF OUR ANNUAL LEASES WE REQUIRE ONE MILLION DOLLAR GENERAL LIABILITY POLICY NAME OF THE COUNTY AS AN ADDITIONAL INSURED.

SO THERE WOULD BE AN OPTION IF WE ONLY WANT TO REQUIRE ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE AN ANNUAL LEASE TO PROVIDE INSURANCE.

OR THE OTHER OPTION IS THAT ALL ORGANIZATIONS, EVEN IF THEY'RE RENTING FOR ONE DAY, WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE INSURANCE.

THE ONLY ISSUE IF THAT IF IT'S A ONE DAY RENTAL.

SUCH A POLICY DOES COST $200-$300.

SO MAYBE THE BOARD ONLY WANTS TO REQUIRE THIS FOR LEASES THAT ARE ANNUAL RATHER THAN ONE TIME OR ONCE A MONTH WANTS TO WAIT.

SO THAT'S THE ONE CHANGE WITHIN THE POLICY.

MR. WHITTEN YES.

IF THEY DON'T HAVE INSURANCE AND SOMEBODY GETS HURT, WHAT'S THE COUNTY'S LIABILITY? SO THE COUNTY WOULD BE LIABLE.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE ISSUE.

SO THAT'S RIGHT.

NOW, WE'RE NOT REQUIRING INSURANCE FOR PEOPLE, FOR ORGANIZATIONS JUST RENTING THE THE COMMUNITY ROOM OR THE OVER OR THE ROOM OVER AT THE SOCIAL SERVICES

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SO THAT'S SOMETHING THE POLICY THAT WE HAVE IN THE POLICY THAT EVERY ORGANIZATION HAS TO PROVIDE INSURANCE NO MATTER IF THEY'RE RENTING A ONE TIME OR AN ANNUAL LEASE, THAT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION.

SO THE SCHOOL DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY TYPE OF COVERAGE.

THEY ACCEPT THE RESPONSIBILITY.

THE SCHOOL DOES REQUIRE INSURANCE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, EVEN FOR ONE DAY.

USE THIS, BUT I CAN CHECK OF THE SCHOOLS AND MAKE SURE THAT'S THE CASE.

THAT'S MY QUESTION.

I'M A LITTLE BIT UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT PART.

IT KIND OF LEAVES US WIDE OPEN.

YOU HAVE THE WRESTLING TEAM IN THERE, CORRECT? RIGHT. KID BREAKS A LEG.

WHO'S RESPONSIBLE. THEY HAVE AN ANNUAL LEASE.

THEY DO? YES, THEY HAVE THE INSURANCE.

SO THIS WOULD BE A GREAT POINT HE MADE.

CORRECT. IF SOMEONE WANTS TO RENT A ROOM FOR, I DON'T KNOW, A BABY SHOWER, KNOW SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE IT'S JUST A ONE TIME USE, WE JUST HAVE WE'D HAVE TO DECIDE, DO WE WANT TO REQUIRE AN INDIVIDUAL OR AN ORGANIZATION WHERE IT'S ONE TIME USE TO? MY CONCERN WOULD BE SOMEBODY COMING OUT AND FALLING ON THE STEPS, FALLING DOWN THE STEPS.

IF THE COUNTY IS GOING TO BE LIABLE.

SO THAT'S WHY IN THE POLICY RIGHT NOW, I HAVE EVERY PERSON WHO RENTS A ROOM HAS TO PROVIDE THE $1 MILLION POLICY.

IT IS A COST TO THEM, BUT THEY WOULD BE GETTING THE RENT FOR FREE UNDER THIS, AS YOU'LL SEE LATER IN THIS PRESENTATION.

SO IS IT LEGAL OR WILL IT HOLD WATER TO HAVE SOMEONE SIGN WAIVERS FOR THOSE ONE DAY PARTIES AND THAT THE COUNTY IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INJURIES MAY OCCUR? I MEAN, YOU'LL HAVE THE APPLICATION, THEY WILL HAVE THE WAIVER LANGUAGE THEY SIGNED WHERE THERE AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND ATTORNEYS.

YOU WOULD HAVE TO KNOW.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND ATTORNEYS.

LET ME TAKE THAT BACK.

BUT IF I SIGN A WAIVER SAYING I'M GOING TO HAVE A BIRTHDAY PARTY AND HAVE IT ONE DAY AND A COUPLE OF KIDS GET HURT, AND I SIGNED A WAIVER WITH A WAIVER BE ENOUGH TO NOT HOLD US RESPONSIBLE.

THAT WOULD BE MY OTHER ATTORNEY.

SAY THAT WAIVER IS NOTHING THAT STILL HAPPENED ON YOUR PROPERTY.

THAT WOULD BE THE ARGUMENT IN COURT.

THE INSURANCE POLICY IS BASICALLY A BACKUP, YOU KNOW.

IT DOES HELP THE COUNTY IN CASE THERE IS A LAWSUIT, BECAUSE YOU NOT ONLY HAVE THE INDEMNIFICATION AGREEMENT, YOU ALSO HAVE THE INSURANCE POLICY.

BUT AS I SAID, THERE IS A COST.

SO I WOULD I WOULD RECOMMEND IN THE POLICY THAT WE HAVE THE INSURANCE POLICY FOR ALL ORGANIZATIONS RENTING A FACILITY.

I KNOW RIGHT NOW, LIKE WHEN A COUNTY RESIDENT RENTS A PICNIC SHELTER, THEY'RE NOT PROVIDING AN INSURANCE POLICY.

WHEN THEY RENT A SHELTER AT ONE OF OUR TEMPLE PARK OR SCOTT PARK, THEY'RE NOT PROVIDING AN INSURANCE POLICY.

I'M SAYING TO SAY, BY THE WAY, SOME OF THIS COUNTRY IS GOING NOW WITH SUITS.

IF WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MIMIC WHAT THE SCHOOL IS DOING, I THINK WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO FOLLOW SUIT WITH IT.

WELL, I LIKE TO AT LEAST SEE THE STUDENTS COPY AND COMPARE IT TO DID YOU JUST PUT A COOKIE CUTTER SHEET IN FRONT OF US AND WITH AN OPEN ENDED QUESTIONS ON FOR SPECULATION? NO, THIS THINGS WE JUST DISCUSSED IT GOT BROUGHT UP AND YOU SAID, OH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE MIGHT CAN ADD OR THAT'S SOMETHING WE MIGHT HAVE.

THIS IS THE ONLY ITEM WHERE I WAS PUTTING IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

I HAVE IT IN THE POLICY RIGHT NOW THAT INSURANCE IS REQUIRED.

BUT I JUST WE HAVEN'T PREVIOUSLY HAD THAT DISCUSSION WHETHER WE WANT TO REQUIRE THAT.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

BUT RIGHT NOW IN THE POLICY, IT SAYS ALL ORGANIZATIONS MUST PROVIDE A CERTIFICATE OF INSURANCE IN THE AMOUNT OF $1 MILLION, AND THAT MIMICS THAT OF SCHOOLS. CORRECT.

CAN YOU PROVIDE US A COPY OF THE SCHOOL'S POLICY SO WE CAN COMPARE IT TO THIS ONE? SURE. I CAN SAY THAT YOU SAID IT SHOULD BE IDENTICAL.

HOW ABOUT A COPY OF THE OF THE APPLICATION? YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT'S INCLUDED ON THE APPLICATION, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IT.

MM HMM. SURE, I CAN DO THAT.

YOU KNOW, I THINK.

I MEAN, YOU GO TO A LOT OF PLACES, YOU SIGN WAIVERS, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS SOME FINE PRINT IN THERE.

MM HMM. AND IN ALL HONESTY.

I'M SIGNED ONE TO GO TO [INAUDIBLE].

I DON'T TAKE TIME TO READ THE FINE PRINT.

I DON'T THINK MOST PEOPLE DO BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT EXPECTING TO GET HURT.

AND MOST PEOPLE THAT GET HURT ON THEIR OWN ACCORD ARE GO STAND TALL.

SO, HEY, THAT WAS MY FAULT.

I ALSO HAVE A PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE THAT WON'T, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A A LOCALITY OR A BUSINESS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT PUTS A WHOLE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON IT.

YOU KNOW, THE LIGHTING DOWN THERE IN ALL HONESTLY, IT'S NOT THE BEST OUTSIDE ESPECIALLY.

AND THOSE STEPS ARE STEEP.

AND THE WELLNESS CENTER IS I'VE MISSED A STEP DOWN THERE BEFORE.

I'VE ACTUALLY FALLEN DOWN ONE TIME MYSELF.

YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING, I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT ALL THESE ANGLES COVERED BEFORE WE YOU KNOW, KIND OF CARTE

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MY OPINION, MY THOUGHT, OH, WOW.

BUT YES, I CAN. I CAN PROVIDE A COPY OF THE SCHOOL'S APPLICATION AND THEIR POLICY TO THE BOARD MEMBERS.

AND TO MR. HUNTER'S POINT, IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE KNOWLEDGEABLE OF WHAT THE APPLICATION APPLICATION IS REQUESTING.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU HAVE LEFT ON YOUR PRESENTATION, AND IT'S PROBABLY UNFAIR TO ME TO SAY EITHER CONTINUE, IT'S UP TO MADAM CHAIRMAN, BUT I ALREADY KNOW THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT INFORMATION COME BACK AND TABLE THE ITEM, BUT.

WELL, WHY DON'T I FINISH THE PRESENTATION IN CASE YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS AND OTHER INFORMATION YOU WANT TO SEE BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.

[INAUDIBLE].

I WOULD HAVE JUST STOPPED THE PRESENTATION AND WE COULD COME BACK AND ADDRESS IT AFTER WE GET THE DOCUMENTATION, WE CAN READ WHAT YOU WROTE.

SURE, THAT'S FINE. I CAN I CAN EMAIL THIS PRESENTATION TO YOU BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN YOUR PACKET.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S.

BECAUSE THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FEE STRUCTURE.

EXACTLY. AND HOW IT IS HOW THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR MYSELF CAME UP WITH THE FEE STRUCTURE.

I THINK THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.

AND I'M NOT RESPECTFUL.

AND SO YOU CAN'T FINISH A PRESENTATION.

YOU'RE FINE, BUT I DON'T REALLY WANT YOU TO BECAUSE IF YOU GET TO OTHER AREAS, SURE, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO COMMENT ON IT.

[INAUDIBLE] WE CAN COME BACK NOVEMBER 9TH.

NOW I CAN SEND EVERYTHING TO THE BOARD AND I'LL GIVE YOU THE CHANCE TO LOOK OVER THE SCHOOL.

THIS BASICALLY MIRRORS THE SCHOOL BOARD'S POLICY, BUT AT LEAST YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE CORRECT THEIR POLICY AND HOW IT READS AND ALSO THEIR APPLICATION.

AND OUR APPLICATION WILL BE SIMILAR TO THE SCHOOL.

[INAUDIBLE] YOU CAN HAVE THIS ALL BY NOVEMBER PRIOR.

GIVE US A FEW DAYS TO READ IT.

I DON'T WANT ON THE EIGHTH.

SURE, I CAN SEND IT TO YOU TOMORROW MORNING.

I CAN SEND YOU THE APPLICATION.

HE REQUESTED THE SCHOOL'S POLICY, CORRECT.

[INAUDIBLE] ANYTHING ELSE? THE BOARD, THE PRESENTATION.

RIGHT. PERFECT.

THAT WE'LL COME BACK ON NOVEMBER 9TH.

YES, SIR. NOVEMBER.

NOVEMBER 9TH. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS ITEMS TO NOVEMBER 9TH, MADAM CHAIR, IF THAT'S OKAY.

ACTUALLY TO POSTPONE WILL BE THE PROPER POSTPONE AND I'LL.

SORRY, I'LL SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

MR. CARMICHAEL? YES, MR. BROWN? YES, MR. HUNTER? YES, MRS. WAYMACK. YES, MR. WEBB? YES.

IS THERE ANY ITEM THAT WE MISSED THAT ANYBODY IS AWARE OF? [INAUDIBLE] Y'ALL HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

SO MOVED. SECOND.

THANK YOU. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

MR. BROWN? YES.

MR. HUNTER? YES? MRS. WAYMACK.

YES. MR. WEBB. YES.

MR. CARMICHAEL? YES.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.