Sep 27, 2022 Regular Meeting

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THE BOARD HAS BEEN IN A WORK SESSION, A VERY NICE WORK SESSION, I MIGHT SAY, OUTSIDE IN THE BEAUTIFUL WEATHER.

WE DEDICATED OUR DISC GOLF COURSE AND IT WAS VERY, VERY NICE.

WE HAD A LOT OF FOLKS THERE.

I WILL NOW ASK FOR THE INVOCATION BY MR. BROWN. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME TO YOU THIS EVENING JUST TO SAY THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO BE ABLE TO MEET ONCE AGAIN AND HANDLE THE BUSINESS OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY IN SUCH A MANNER.

HEAVENLY FATHER, WE ALSO ASK YOU FOR A SPECIAL PRAYER TONIGHT FOR ALL OF OUR CITIZENS.

ALL OF OUR FIRE, POLICE, EMS, ALL THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES.

FOR MORE, ESPECIALLY HEAVENLY FATHER, WE STAND BEFORE YOU TONIGHT TO ASK YOU TO PUT YOUR LOVING ARMS AND PROTECTION JUST AROUND EACH AND EVERY PERSON.

HEAVENLY FATHER, THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE DEALING WITH THE LOSS OF LOVED ONES AND THOSE BEING SICK AND HEAVENLY FATHER, WE JUST KNOW YOU ARE THE HEALER OF ALL HEALERS AND HEAVENLY FATHER.

WE JUST WANT YOU TO CONTINUE TO BLESS MR. STOKE AND THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AND HEAVENLY FATHER.

LOOK AFTER OUR CHAIR, OUR CHAIRWOMAN, AND OUR VICE CHAIR AND THE REST OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, AND WE ASK ALL THIS IN YOUR NAME.

AMEN. AMEN. AMEN.

THANK YOU. THE PLEDGE, MR. HUNTER.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS ]

IF ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK BEFORE THE BOARD, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU WILL HAVE 4 MINUTES IN WHICH TO SPEAK.

COME FORWARD, PLEASE.

YES, SIR. COME RIGHT TO THE MICROPHONE.

YES, SIR. I'M BARRY LEWIS.

I LIVE ON BEAU BRIDGE ROAD, WHICH MY PROPERTY COMES UP AGAINST WHAT USED TO BE ROLLS ROYCE PROPERTY.

BEAU BRIDGE ROAD.

I'M AN OWNER OF THE LAND THAT COMES UP AGAINST THAT.

THIS IS IN ACCORDANCE TO THE THEME FOR THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

I HAVE TWO NEIGHBORS UP AT THE END OF BOW BRIDGE ROAD, [INAUDIBLE] RADFORD, TIM GRIMM, AND I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THEM.

SIR, IS THIS IN REGARD TO THE ZONING OF THAT AREA? WELL, WE ASK YOU TO WAIT UNTIL BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT.

I'M SORRY. THAT'S ALL RIGHT, I DIDN'T SAY THAT.

SO IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. YOU CAN COME BACK AT 730.

SO SORRY.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT HAS PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT NOT THAT'S NOT RELATED TO THE PUBLIC HEARING? SEEING NO FURTHER.

ANYONE COMING FORTH? I CLOSED THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

[ADOPTION OF AGENDA]

MADAM CHAIR, IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, I SO MOVE FOR THE ADOPTION.

THE AGENDA AS STATED.

I'M SORRY. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

GOING FORWARD, WE NEED TO APPROVE THE ORDER OF CONSENSUS.

[ORDER OF CONSENSUS ]

I HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND. THANK YOU.

CALL THE ROLL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. CHAIRMAN. IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT C ONE THE DRAFT MINUTES IT WAS EXTRACTED BECAUSE ONE OF OUR FELLOW BOARD

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A SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

BROWN AND I ABSTAINED BECAUSE I WAS NOT AT THE LAST MEETING.

THANK YOU. THERE ARE NO PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT.

[SUPERVISORS' COMMENTS ]

MR. WEBB, I'LL START WITH YOU.

NO, MADAM CHAIR, NOT TONIGHT, MR. BROWN. NOTHING FOR ME TONIGHT, MADAM CHAIR.

MR. HUNTER. NOTHING, BUT JUST COMMENT ON WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE DISC GOLF PRESENTATION WAS VERY NICE.

THANK YOU. MR. CARMICHAEL. I'M GOOD TONIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, EVERYBODY, KEEP YOUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS WITH THE PEOPLE OF FLORIDA, WITH THE HURRICANE THAT'S APPROACHING THEM, THAT EVERYBODY WILL BE SAFE AND THERE'LL BE NO LOSS OF LIFE.

[COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S COMMENTS ]

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

THE REPORT IS IN FRONT OF YOU.

THE THREE ITEMS I WILL POINT OUT.

THE EARLY VOTING HAS BEGUN AS OF SEPTEMBER 23RD.

YOU MAY VOTE IN PERSON MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AT THE PRINCE GEORGE REGISTRAR'S OFFICE FROM 8:30 A.M.

TO 4:30 P.M..

IF YOU NEED EXTRA ASSISTANCE, THERE ARE FOLKS FROM THE REGISTRAR'S OFFICE IN THE LOBBY TO HELP YOU WITH THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN VOTE EVEN FROM YOUR CAR.

SEPTEMBER 28TH IT WILL BE THE PRINCE GEORGE IDA MEETING TOMORROW THAT'S BEEN RESCHEDULED FROM THE SEPTEMBER 21ST AND NATIONAL NIGHT OUT PART TWO WILL BE HELD OCTOBER 4TH, AND THAT IS IN MULTIPLE SITES.

ALMOST 20 SITES WITHIN THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY COMMUNITY CHOSE THE OCTOBER 4TH FALL NATIONAL NIGHT OUT FROM 5:00 PM TO 9 P.M.. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

THANK YOU TO OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

[REPORTS ]

OUR FIRST REPORT IS FROM MS. DREWRY. PRELIMINARY QUARTERLY FINANCIAL REPORT.

YES, MA'AM. I'LL BE RIGHT WITH YOU.

ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING, CHAIR WAYMACK BOARD MEMBERS. MR. STOKE AND MR. WHITTEN, IT'S MY PLEASURE TO PRESENT TO YOU THE QUARTERLY REPORT FOR THE QUARTER ENDED JUNE 30TH OF 2022.

IT TAKES A WHILE TO DO THIS ONE BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN JULY AND AUGUST THAT WE END UP ACCRUING BACK TO JUNE.

SO WE'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU THE MOST UP TO DATE INFORMATION THAT WE CAN.

SO THIS IS A PRELIMINARY YEAR END REPORT.

WAIT FOR THE, AND I DID PUT AN UPDATED POWERPOINT AT YOUR PLACES.

THERE WERE JUST A FEW UPDATED NUMBERS THAT I WANTED TO PROVIDE TO YOU.

MORE TIMELY INFORMATION, AND ONE CORRECTION.

SO REVENUES, WE ENDED THE YEAR IN A VERY GOOD POSITION.

WE COLLECTED ABOUT 7.9% MORE THAN OUR ADOPTED BUDGET NET OF FUND BALANCE.

SO AGAIN, WE COLLECTED 68.36 MILLION AND OUR AMENDED BUDGET WAS 63.3 MILLION NET OF PLANNED FUND BALANCE USE.

WITH THAT PLANNED FUND BALANCE USE, IT WAS 67.34 MILLION.

SO WE COLLECTED A MILLION MORE THAN BUDGETED.

JUST TO REMIND THE BOARD, THESE WERE OUR PLANNED USES OF FUND BALANCE FOR FY 22.

THE SCHOOL DIVISION AND COUNTY BOTH CARRIED OVER PURCHASE ORDERS AT THE END OF FY 21.

WE HAD SOME GRANTS AND DONATION AND INSURANCE AMOUNTS THAT WERE ALSO CARRIED FORWARD.

YOU APPROVED $220,000 FOR THE PURCHASE OF A CHILLER AND THE SCHOOL DIVISION REQUESTED CARRYOVER OF 776,000 FOR THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL PROJECT AND ANOTHER 793,000 FOR CONSTRUCTION AND PROGRESS PROJECTS. THE GARAGE EXPANSION.

THE BOARD DID CASH FUND A MILLION OF THAT PROJECTS THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDERWAY AND APPROVED $128,000 FOR THE DESIGN OF A SECOND CONVENIENCE STATION.

SO BECAUSE WE COLLECTED MORE THAN WE PLANNED DURING THE YEAR OR MORE THAN WAS BUDGETED, WE ACTUALLY DID NOT TAP INTO FUND

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EXPENDITURES. WE ALSO ENDED IN A VERY GOOD POSITION.

OUR AMENDED BUDGET WAS 67.3 MILLION AND OUR EXPENDITURES WERE 64.9.

SO WE ARE ROUGHLY UNDERSPENT BY 4%.

SO THOSE BOTTOM FIGURES, WHICH WERE A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO READ ON THE SCREEN, OUR REVENUES EXCEEDED OUR EXPENDITURES BY 3.48 MILLION. ONCE WE BACK OUT WHAT HAS BEEN RESERVED OR REAPPROPRIATED FOR FY 23 2.7 MILLION IS ON UNRESERVED FUND BALANCE ADDITION.

THE SCHOOL DIVISION COLLECTED A MILLION MORE THAN THEY EXPENDED.

THEY ALSO RESERVED 187,000 FOR POS, SO THEY WILL BE CONTRIBUTING 812,000 TO FUND BALANCE.

SO IT'S VERY GOOD NEWS.

SO YOUR BEGINNING FUND BALANCE WAS 33.4 MILLION.

WITH THE EXCESS REVENUES OVER EXPENDITURES, WE'RE PROJECTING 36.5 MILLION NET OF THE SCHOOL CARRY FORWARD FOR PURCHASE ORDERS.

THEY ALSO THE BOARD APPROPRIATED FUND BALANCE TO COVER SOME OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL PROJECT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND THEY AGREED TO REPAY IT OR LEAVE THAT AMOUNT IN FUND BALANCE OVER A TWO YEAR PERIOD.

SO THEY WOULD OWE ANOTHER 376,000 TO MAKE WHOLE FUND BALANCE FOR THAT APPROPRIATION TO THE PROJECT, WHICH WOULD LEAVE THEM 436,000 TO PUT TOWARDS ANOTHER USE.

JUST TO MENTION THE SCHOOL HEALTH FUND, AS YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOL DIVISION DID CHANGE FROM THE COMBINED SELF INSURANCE PROJECT PRODUCT TO THE LOCAL CHOICE, AND CURRENTLY OR AT YEAR END THEY WERE RUNNING A DEFICIT IN THE HEALTH FUND OF ABOUT 117,000, AND THAT NUMBER HAS GROWN TO ABOUT 628,000 AS OF LAST FRIDAY.

SO THEY KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO LIKELY HAVE TO SHORE THAT UP OVER TIME.

SO THEY ARE AWARE OF THAT, AND JUST TO MENTION TO THE BOARD, THERE ARE SOME INITIATIVES THAT ARE CURRENTLY PLANNED FOR USING FUND BALANCE.

ONE IS THE CIRCUIT COURT ROOM RENOVATION, WHICH IS CURRENTLY OUT TO BID.

THE OTHER IS CONVENIENCE STATION NUMBER TWO, WHICH YOU HAVE APPROVED DESIGN ONE.

WE ALSO HAD PLANNED ON BORROWING FOR THE VEHICLES AND SCHOOL BUSSES THAT WERE PURCHASED IN FY 22.

WE DID NOT SUBSEQUENTLY DO A BORROWING OR DO NOT PLAN TO DO A BORROWING THIS YEAR.

SO WE WILL PROBABLY BE PUTTING ALL THREE OF THESE ON A FUTURE AGENDA TO ASK FOR AN APPROPRIATION FROM FUND BALANCE WHEN THOSE PROJECTS ARE BID AND AWARDED AND WHEN WE WE NEED TO MAKE WHOLE THE VEHICLE PURCHASES.

SO JUST TO MENTION A FEW NOTABLE ITEMS AND REVENUE.

REAL PROPERTY TAX REVENUES ARE BUDGETING WAS FAIRLY ACCURATE.

WE COLLECTED WITHIN 0.84% OF WHAT WAS BUDGETED.

WE BUDGETED 26.2 MILLION AND COLLECTED 26.45, INCLUDING DELINQUENT TAXES.

AS THE BOARD IS AWARE, THE GROWTH AND ASSESSED VALUES AT JANUARY 1 OF 22 BECAUSE OF THE MARKET, YOU DID APPROVE A FOUR CENT REDUCTION IN THE REAL PROPERTY TAX RATE FOR FY 23 AND THE TAX RATE WAS REDUCED TO $0.82 FROM 86.

FOR THOSE REAL ESTATE TAX BILLS THAT WILL BE DUE ON DECEMBER 5TH OF 22 AND JUNE 5TH OF 23.

SO THE REAL PROPERTY TAXES FOR FY 23 ARE THOSE TWO COLLECTION DATES.

WE HAVE BEGUN TESTING THE LAND BOOK IMPORT PROCESS TO PREPARE THOSE BILLS, AND THIS LANE IS WORKING WITH MR. [INAUDIBLE] TO RECONCILE THE LAND BOOK TO WHAT WAS IMPORTED INTO A TEST ENVIRONMENT IN MUNIS.

THAT IS GOING VERY WELL, AND WE HOPE TO HAVE THAT RESOLVED IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.

PUBLIC SERVICE CORPORATION TAXES.

WE COLLECTED 32.7% MORE THAN WHAT WE BUDGETED.

WE DID INCREASE THE BUDGET FOR FY 23 MOBILE HOMES, TAXES, SIMILAR STORY, AND THOSE THREE TAXES ARE COLLECTED AT THE REAL PROPERTY TAX RATE.

PERSONAL PROPERTY.

WE COLLECTED ABOUT 37% MORE THAN WE BUDGETED, AND THIS TAX WORKS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN THE REAL PROPERTY TAXES.

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THE BOARD TOOK ACTION TO REDUCE THE TAX RATE BY $0.35.

YOU ALSO ELIMINATED THE MOTOR VEHICLE LICENSE FEE SO THAT REVENUE FELL SHORT BY 705,000, AND WHEN THOSE TWO NUMBERS ARE COUPLED TOGETHER, THERE'S ABOUT A $2.8 MILLION EXCESS.

THAT'S A CULMINATION OF NOT ONLY THE INCREASE IN VALUES, BUT IT'S PROBABLY NEW PROPERTY AS WELL AS BILLING FOR PART OF THE YEAR PRORATION.

SO STATE SALES TAX.

WE HAVE SEEN A STEADY RISE IN OUR SALES TAX FIGURES UNTIL FY 22.

WE COLLECTED VIRTUALLY THE IDENTICAL SAME AMOUNT AS WE DID IN 21 4.3 MILLION, AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR FY 23.

SO THAT REVENUE, THERE'S PROBABLY NOT A LOT OF OUR GROWTH OPPORTUNITY IN FUTURE YEARS UNLESS WE HAVE MORE RETAIL SALES BUSINESS LICENSE FEE.

WE BUDGETED CONSERVATIVELY DUE TO COVID.

HOWEVER, WE COLLECTED 40% MORE THAN WE BUDGETED AND THERE IS POSSIBLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE THAT IN FY 24.

LODGING TAXES THEY'RE VERY HEALTHY 63% MORE THAN WE BUDGETED.

POSSIBLE ROOM FOR GROWTH AND MACHINERY AND TOOLS CAME IN AS EXPECTED.

PERMITS AND PLANNING FEES.

MS. WALTON'S OFFICE HAS BEEN BUSY.

AS YOU'RE AWARE, 46% MORE IN PERMIT FEES THAN WHAT WAS BUDGETED, AND WE ARE AGAIN HAVE CONSERVATIVELY BUDGETED FOR FY 23.

EMS TRANSPORT, PARKS AND REC FEES, AS WELL AS PENALTY AND INTEREST, WE ARE IN A PERIODS OF RECOVERY.

SO THOSE ARE AGAIN, WE BUDGETED VERY CONSERVATIVELY DUE TO PANDEMIC IMPACTS FOR 2020 AND WE COLLECTED MORE.

OKAY, SO YOU EXTENDED THE DEADLINE OR OFFERED WAIVER OF PENALTY AND INTEREST ON MOST OF YOUR TAXES THROUGH AUGUST AND PEOPLE DID TAKE ADVANTAGE. THIS IS A BIT OF A BUSY SLIDE, BUT THEY DID TAKE ADVANTAGE TO A SIMILAR EXTENT AS THEY DID IN THE SUMMER OF 2020.

THERE ARE A FEW AREAS WHERE WE DID FALL SHORT.

ONE IS OUR CREDIT CARD CONVENIENCE FEE.

AS YOU WERE AWARE, WE BUDGETED AS IF WE WERE GOING TO IMPLEMENT THAT ON JULY ONE, BUT THAT IMPLEMENTATION WAS DELAYED BY A COUPLE OF MONTHS.

OUR INTEREST ON INVESTMENTS, WE'RE ACTUALLY BOOKING NEGATIVE REVENUE BECAUSE OF ONE PARTICULAR INVESTMENT SOURCE, STATE COMMUNICATIONS TAXES. WE HAVE SEEN A STEADY DECLINE IN THIS REVENUE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

SO CHILDREN'S SERVICES ACT REVENUE.

WE STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT TO BOOK.

WE ALSO ARE FINE TUNING OUR REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX REVENUES.

WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR DETAILED ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR REVENUES ARE IN BALANCE AND WE MAY HAVE A COUPLE OF MINOR, MINOR ADJUSTMENTS.

WE ALSO ARE SEEING STILL A LITTLE TRICKLE OF INVOICES FOR FY 22.

WE HAD TWO COME ACROSS LAST WEEK THAT WERE LESS THAN 200 AND TOTAL.

SO WE STILL HAVE SOME ADJUSTMENTS THAT ARE BEING MADE FOR FY 22.

UTILITIES, AGAIN, WE ENDED THE YEAR ON A POSITIVE NOTE.

WE ARE SHOWING AN OPERATING INCOME.

UNTIL WE POST THE DEPRECIATION AND THEN WE WILL SHOW A SIMILAR LOSS.

WE DON'T TYPICALLY BUDGET FOR DEPRECIATION BECAUSE IT IS AN ACCOUNTING ENTRY AND OUR DEPRECIATION FOR FY 22 IS JUST OVER 917,000. WE DID FINISH THAT CALCULATION AND BOOK THAT ENTRY ON FRIDAY OF LAST WEEK.

SO OVERALL, NON NON OPERATING INCOME IS 1.5 BEFORE SOME FINAL ADJUSTMENTS ARE MADE, AND OUR CHANGE IN THAT POSITION IS 2.2 MILLION.

CAPITAL PROJECTS, THE LARGEST CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDERWAY.

OUR PUBLIC SAFETY RADIO PROJECT CONTINUES TO BE UNDERWAY AND IS IN THE RAMP UP PHASE, WE ARE HOPING, QUITE SOON.

MR. HALTOM'S ROUTE 156 AND FOOD [INAUDIBLE] WATER SYSTEM AND EXTENSION PROJECTS ARE UNDERWAY.

ROUTE 56 IS ESSENTIALLY COMPLETE I THINK WITH JUST [INAUDIBLE] TO PAY.

THE ASSESSOR SOFTWARE WAS A RECENTLY COMPLETED THE COUNTY GARAGE EXPANSION IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY AND OF COURSE THOSE THAT ARE SHADED IN THE PURPLE COLOR

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WE PUT ON HOLD THE RENOVATION OF JEFFERSON PARK FIRE STATION BECAUSE THE BIDS WERE SO FAR OUT OF THE LINE FROM WHAT WE HAD BUDGETED.

FIRE AND EMS EQUIPMENT HAS BEEN PURCHASED TO A VERY SMALL AMOUNT.

THE CIRCUIT COURT ROOM RENOVATION IS ACTUALLY OUT FOR BID NOW, AND CONVENIENT STATION TWO, IS IN DESIGN, AS IS TEMPLE AVENUE, TANK AND PUMP STATION.

SCHOOL CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE HIGHLIGHTED HERE.

OF COURSE, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT IS THE NEW MIDDLE ROAD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WITH SOME OTHER MINOR PROJECTS THAT ARE JUST COMPLETED.

THE TECHNOLOGY BLEACHER IS COMPLETE.

FIRE ALARM REPLACEMENT HAS NOT YET BEGUN, AND WATER INTRUSION AT J.J.

MOORE IS IN THE WRAP UP PHASE.

THEY ARE CURRENTLY RENOVATING SOME RESTROOMS AND LOCKER ROOMS AND THEIR SECONDARY SCHOOLS AS WELL.

THE TOURISM FUND.

VERY POSITIVE RESULTS.

WE HAVE A FAVORABLE REVENUE OVER EXPENDITURES OF $478,700.

OUR REVENUE EXCEEDED BUDGET BY 62%.

SO AGAIN, OUR LODGING TAXES ARE HEALTHY BOTH IN THE TOURISM AND GENERAL FUNDS.

SO OUR FUND BALANCE IS EXPECTED TO CLIMB TO 807 OF THAT 625 IS UNCOMMITTED.

YOU DID PROVIDE 100,000 TO THE REGIONAL HERITAGE CENTER FOR THE FIRE MUSEUM AND PURCHASE ORDER IN GRANTS.

WE'RE ALSO CARRIED FORWARD.

ECON DEV A SIMILAR STORY.

OUR MEALS TAX EXCEEDED BUDGETED AMOUNTS BY 39%.

THE FUND BALANCE IS EXPECTED TO GROW TO ABOUT 1.3 MILLION.

HOWEVER, SOME OF THAT HAS BEEN RESERVED FOR MATCHING FOR COMMONWEALTH OPPORTUNITY FUND GRANTS.

RIVERSIDE CRIMINAL JUSTICE AGENCY.

WE PLANNED ON USING FUND BALANCE BECAUSE FUND BALANCE HAD AMASSED OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS OF VACANCY SAVINGS IN THAT AGENCY.

WE PLANNED ON USING 179,000 IN FUND BALANCE AND ACTUALLY USED 162.

PROFFERS. WE ONLY COLLECTED 20,000 AND PROFFER REVENUES IN FY 22 AND THIS OUTLINES THE BALANCES.

THE BOARD ALWAYS HAS THE OPTION TO USE THESE BALANCES INSTEAD OF BORROWING FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF EXPENDITURES.

NOT A LOT OF MONEY THERE, BUT IT IS AVAILABLE.

RED FLEX. WE ONLY COLLECTED $2,600 FOR THE SCHOOL BUS CAMERA INITIATIVE, SO IT WAS THE LOWEST YEAR ON RECORD ACTUALLY.

HEALTH INSURANCE FUND.

I TOUCHED ON THAT EARLIER.

OUR HEALTH INSURANCE FUND BALANCE WAS $1.8 MILLION ON JUNE 30TH, AND AT THAT TIME THE COUNTY HAD A FAVORABLE BALANCE OF 1.92 MILLION AND THE SCHOOLS WERE RUNNING A DEFICIT OF ABOUT 117.

AS OF LAST FRIDAY, THE SCHOOL FUND DEFICIT WAS AT 627,000.

SO LOOKING AHEAD, WE STILL ARE MAKING SOME FY 22 JOURNAL ENTRIES.

REVENUE ACCRUALS ARE BEING FINE TUNED.

WE ARE STILL WAITING ON SOME STATE GRANT REVENUES TO COME IN FOR LAST YEAR AND THERE MAY BE SOME POSSIBLE EXPENDITURE ADJUSTMENTS AND A FEW INVOICES.

WE ALSO HAVE A WORKERS COMPENSATION AUDIT THAT OCCURRED LAST WEEK AND WE'RE WAITING FOR THE RESULTS OF THAT.

OUR AUDITORS WILL BE HERE ON HALLOWEEN DAY AND WE WILL HAVE OUR AUDITED FINANCIAL STATEMENTS PREPARED BY NOVEMBER 30TH.

WE WILL, OF COURSE, FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, CONTINUE TO MONITOR OUR REVENUE COLLECTIONS AND MAKE SURE OUR SPENDING IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH BUDGET, AND WE ARE GEARING UP FOR FY 24 BUDGET YEAR'S RUN TOGETHER.

SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

WE HAVE A GOOD YEAR.

GOOD JOB. NO QUESTIONS FOR ME.

GOOD JOB TO EVERYONE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

WHAT DOES DRIVE THAT UP? [INAUDIBLE] TO GO UP FROM 117 TO 6 AND SOME CHANGE.

WELL, BECAUSE THEY SEPARATED PLAN.

THAT WAS THE KEY. THEY'RE NO LONGER MAKING CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE HEALTH FUND.

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HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF THE TIMING OF MEDICAL BILLS, WE'RE STILL GETTING CLAIMS THAT ARE HITTING FOR PROCEDURES AND VISITS THAT OCCURRED BEFORE JUNE 30TH.

SO IT'S CALLED CLAIMS RUNOFF.

THE TIMING OF MEDICAL BILLS, THERE'S A LAG.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. NEXT WE GO TO OUR POSTPONE ITEM.

[POSTPONED ITEMS ]

YES, MA'AM. GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MADAM CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS.

AS THE BOARD IS AWARE, AS PART OF YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN, ONE OF THE STRATEGIC GOALS THAT THE BOARD APPROVED WAS TO HAVE AN ORGANIZATIONAL REVIEW AND STAFFING LEVEL STUDY CONDUCTED.

REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS WAS ISSUED, AND WE RECEIVED FIVE PROPOSALS.

WE INTERVIEWED THE TOP TWO OF THOSE FIRMS, AND THE KEY COMPONENTS OF THE STUDY WOULD BE TO LOOK AT THE COUNTY'S ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE, THE NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT REPORT TO CERTAIN CHAIN OF COMMAND.

THEY WOULD LOOK AT THE ADEQUACY OF OUR STAFFING AS COMPARED TO THE WORKLOAD.

THEY WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT OUR PROJECTED GROWTH TO MAKE SURE WE ARE POISED AND ADEQUATELY STAFFED TO MEET THE DEMANDS AND CONTINUE TO OFFER QUALITY SERVICES AT OUR STAFFING LEVEL.

MANAGING RESULTS SUBMITTED PRICING PROPOSAL.

THEY WERE THE TOP FIRM AFTER INTERVIEWS WERE CONDUCTED AND THEY INITIALLY SUBMITTED A PROPOSAL TO DO PHASE ONE BY JANUARY ONE AND PHASE TWO BY APRIL ONE FOR A TOTAL COST OF $189,050.

FOLLOWING YOUR LAST MEETING WHERE THE BOARD, PARTICULARLY MR. CARMICHAEL, ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT COULD IT BE BROKEN INTO TWO FISCAL YEARS TO MAKE THE COST A LITTLE MORE MANAGEABLE AND TO GIVE MR. BROWN AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO WEIGH IN ON THE SUBJECT? THEY DID OFFER AN ALTERNATE PROPOSAL AFTER WE CONTACTED THEM AND SAID THAT IT COULD BE SPLIT OR DIVIDED BETWEEN FY 23 AND FY 24.

PHASE ONE WOULD BE AT A COST OF $111,350, WITH PHASE TWO BEING $77,700 TO BE COMPLETED IN FISCAL YEAR 2024.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MAY HAVE.

QUESTIONS. NO, I WAS ABSENT LAST MEETING.

AGAIN, THE INITIATIVE I SUPPORT.

MY CONCERN WAS ONLY I THINK THE ESTIMATES CAME BACK LIKE EVERY OTHER ESTIMATE WE'VE GOTTEN IN THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF, ALMOST TWO YEARS.

THE COST WAS WAY MORE THAN WHAT I THINK ANY OF US HAD EXPECTED, BUT I'M OKAY AFTER THINKING THROUGH IT.

I'M OKAY WITH IF WE CAN SPLIT IT UP ACROSS THE TWO FISCAL YEARS, I DON'T WANT TO SEE US JUST GO AND PULL THE WHOLE THING OUT OF CONTINGENCY, NOT KNOWING WHAT ELSE COULD COME UP BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.

SO I WOULD LEAN TO THE POTENTIAL SPLITTING ACROSS THE TWO FISCAL YEARS.

I BELIEVE THAT WAS SOMEWHAT THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD.

MR. WEBB [INAUDIBLE] ON IT AS WELL IF WE COULD SPLIT IT, WHICH WOULD HELP TREMENDOUSLY, AND WITH RESPECT TO YOU WANTING TO WEIGH IN, IT WAS NOT GOING TO HURT ANYTHING TO TABLE IT.

ONE THING THAT I WAS BROUGHT TO [INAUDIBLE] ATTENTION.

WE NEVER GOT TO SEE THE QUOTES OF THE OTHER PARTIES THAT WERE INVOLVED BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT WAS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL THAT WAS SENT OUT.

SO I GUESS THEY JUST LOOKED AT WHAT THIS COMPANY WAS WILLING TO BRING TO THE TABLE AND DID IT MEET OUR NEEDS OF WHAT WE WANTED DONE? THAT'S THE ONLY PRICE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SEE IS THE ONE THAT THEY CHOSE ON PAPER.

SO THAT ENLIGHTENED ME, YOU KNOW, A LOT.

JUST REFRESH MY MEMORY.

THAT'S HOW THAT HAS TO BE DONE.

SO I'M WITH YOU AS WELL, AND THE BIG PUSH FOR ME ON THIS WHOLE THING WAS THIS BOARD CONSTANTLY DEALS EVERY YEAR WITH GETTING REQUESTS FOR ADDITIONAL STAFFING, AND WE'RE KIND OF PUT AT A DISADVANTAGE BECAUSE WE'RE JUST HEARING

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I THINK IT'S TIME WE STEP BACK, WE ANALYZE WHERE WE ARE TODAY, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO PROVIDE THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE OR BETTER? WHERE ARE WE GOING STAFF WISE IN THE FUTURE? AND THAT HELPS US AS A GROUP TO SIT UP HERE AND PLAN APPROPRIATELY WHEN WE DO BUDGETS INSTEAD OF ONCE.

THIS YEAR. I NEED THREE.

NEXT YEAR, I NEED FOR NEXT YEAR.

I THINK IT PUTS US IN A BETTER POSITION TO BE ABLE TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE HEADED.

NOW, THE WHOLE THING THAT MIGHT COME OUT OF THIS IS IF THEY SAY WE NEED, YOU KNOW, 25 PEOPLE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT AND HIRE 25 TOMORROW, BUT AT LEAST WE KNOW WHERE TO WE NEED TO HEAD.

SO I THINK IT JUST HELPS US OUT, PUTS US IN A BETTER POSITION TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE HEADED, WHAT REALLY IS THE END.

SO AS THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AS WELL, BEING ABLE TO COME FORWARD AND NOT HAVE TO WAIT TILL APRIL AND MAY AND SAY, OH, I FORGOT TO ADD ONE, THEY'LL KNOW WAY IN ADVANCE HOW THEIR DEPARTMENT LOOKS AND RELATE AND TALK TO US ABOUT.

LET'S GET THIS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE BUDGET SEASON AND TIE UP THOSE LOOSE ENDS, RIGHT? THIS DELIVERABLE IS FIXED.

CORRECT. YOU MENTIONED JANUARY.

YES, SIR. YES, SIR.

AFTER TALKING WITH JEREMY, WITH MANAGING RESULTS, THEY CAN STILL ACCOMPLISH PHASE ONE IN JANUARY.

IT MAY NOT BE JANUARY ONE, BUT IT WILL BE IN JANUARY, AND WE'RE FINE WITH THAT FROM A BUDGET PERSPECTIVE [INAUDIBLE] WE GET IT IN TIME, NOT LAST MINUTE TO BE ABLE TO CONSIDER.

YES, SIR. YES, SIR, AND THERE IS A DRAFT RESOLUTION IN YOUR PACKET THAT HAS OPTION ONE BEING HAVING PHASE ONE COMPLETED IN FY 23 AND PHASE TWO COMPLETED IN FY 24. SO IT LOOKS LIKE OPTION ONE IS THE ONE THAT THE BOARD IS INTERESTED IN, AND THAT IS SHADED IN BLUE.

DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED.

SECOND. OPTION ONE. OPTION ONE.

THANK YOU. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

IT IS NOW 7:30 AND IT'S TIME FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

[PUBLIC HEARINGS ]

MISS WALTON.

GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR.

GOOD EVENING, MR. STOKE. MR. WHITTEN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

THIS EVENING'S REQUEST IS FROM MS. [INAUDIBLE] FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO OPERATE A BED AND BREAKFAST AT HER FAMILY HOME IN THE COUNTY. THE REQUEST IS TO CONVERT AN EXISTING STRUCTURE INTO A BED AND BREAKFAST.

THE B&B WILL BE THE OWNER'S PRIVATE RESIDENCE.

THEY WILL OPERATE YEAR ROUND AND HOPEFULLY OPEN UP IN 2023.

IN ORDER TO OPERATE A BED AND BREAKFAST, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A SPECIAL EXCEPTION AS A HOME OCCUPATION AND ITS SUBTITLE AS A COTTAGE INDUSTRY, AND THIS IS ALLOWED IN HER ZONING DISTRICT WITH A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FROM THE BOARD.

IN YOUR PACKET IS A COMPLETE STAFF REPORT.

THE SLIDE SUMMARIZES SOME OF THE STAFF REVIEW COMMENTS.

THE ORDINANCE DOES REQUIRE THAT THE RENTAL OF ROOMS NOT EXCEED FOUR AND THAT ALSO BED AND BOARD BE PROVIDED, WHICH IS TYPICALLY YOUR CONTINENTAL BREAKFAST THINGS IN THE MORNING.

THE EXPECTED IMPACTS OF A BUSINESS LIKE THIS INCLUDE LIMITED TRAFFIC AND LIMITED NOISE FROM GUESTS AND STAFF HAS WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT TO MITIGATE THOSE IMPACTS WITH THE NUMBER OF ROOMS BY ORDINANCE ONLY FOR THE DISTANCE FROM THE ADJACENT DWELLINGS.

ALSO, OUR COUNTY NOISE ORDINANCE WOULD BE IN EFFECT FOR THIS BUSINESS, AS IT WOULD FOR ANY RESIDENTS OR BUSINESS.

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THIS FAMILY HOME IS SURROUNDED BY WOODLAND FARMLAND SOME RURAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.

THIS IS IN OUR SOUTHERN END OF THE COUNTY NEAR GREEN'S RACEWAY AND THE RECENTLY APPROVED LAKE FUNG WEDDING VENUE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING CONDITIONS APPROPRIATE FOR THE APPROACH PROPOSED USE AND ALSO USED IN SIMILAR REQUEST, AND THAT WE FOUND THE USE OF THE PROPERTY AS A BED AND BREAKFAST TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN BECAUSE THE PROPOSED USE IS LESS INTENSE LAND USE COMPARED TO WHAT ASSOCIATED WITH SOME OF THE NEARBY VENUES, AND IT WILL MAINTAIN THE APPEARANCE AND ACTIVITIES OF A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING. OTHER REVIEW STAFF.

AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE DO SEND REQUESTS TO ALL AGENCIES AND DIVISIONS THAT MAY HAVE COMMENTS OR REGULATORY AUTHORITY OVER THE REQUEST.

SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE OTHER STAFF REVIEW COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED.

THE APPLICANT WILL NEED TO WORK WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS RUN ANY RENOVATIONS NEEDED OR DESIRED THROUGH THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION, AND VDOT WAS HAD NO OBJECTION TO THE PROPOSED USE OF THE STRUCTURE.

IN YOUR PACKET IS A LIST OF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS ALONG WITH.

A DRAFT ORDINANCE.

SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THOSE CONDITIONS THAT ARE SPELLED OUT IS, AGAIN, NOT TO EXCEED FOUR ROOMS FOR RENT.

GUESTS ARE LIMITED TO 14 CONSECUTIVE NIGHTS AND THEY CAN ONLY RENT AGAIN AFTER A SEVEN DAY ABSENCE.

THIS CONDITION IS TO MITIGATE IN ANY KIND OF APARTMENT STYLE USE AND KEEP IT IN THE BED AND BREAKFAST REALM. WE DO ASK OWNERS TO MAINTAIN RECORDS THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY OCCUPANTS IN LENGTH OF STAY.

THIS IS ON ALL THE TEAM TYPE BASIS AS NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT CONDITIONS OF THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION ARE BEING MET.

THE PROPERTY OWNER SHALL LIVE IN THE DWELLING AND THE SIGNAGE IS LIMITED TO TWO FREESTANDING SIGNS AT THE ENTRANCE AND WE'LL HAVE TO MEET THE SETBACKS THAT ARE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

WE DO ADD IN THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY OBTAIN THEIR CERTIFICATION FOR THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, FOR THEIR WELL AND SEPTIC THAT THEIR SYSTEMS ARE CAPABLE OF HANDLING THE LOAD THAT IS PROPOSED, AND AGAIN, YOUR FULL LIST OF CONDITIONS ARE IN YOUR PACKET AND INCLUDED IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF BOTH RECOMMEND APPROVAL SUBJECT TO INCLUDING THE CONDITIONS AND THE BASIS FOR THOSE.

THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE INCLUDED THAT WE FEEL IT APPEARS TO BE COMPATIBLE.

WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FROM ADJACENT OWNERS OR THE COMMUNITY OR AT THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND WE FEEL LIKE THE CONDITIONS THAT ACCOMPANY THIS WILL ENSURE THAT THE APPLICABLE CODE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET AND ANY IMPACTS TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD BE MITIGATED.

AGAIN, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

OUR APPLICANT IS PRESENT AS WELL, AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO [INAUDIBLE]? SHE'S AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS BUT DID NOT HAVE A PRESENTATION.

OKAY, JUST ONE QUESTION.

YES, SIR. YEARS AGO WE HAD AN ISSUE OF THE SOUTH 40? YES, SIR.

THEY WOULD GO IN AND RENT, AND THE STIPULATION IS NO MORE THAN TWO WEEKS AND THEY WOULD USE A FAMILY MEMBER AND CHANGE THAT NAME CAUSING CHILDREN TO HAVE TO BE PICKED UP TO GO TO SCHOOL.

PEOPLE RESIDING THERE FOR ONE OR TWO YEARS BEFORE YOU COULD DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

WHAT GUARANTEES THAT THIS DOES NOT FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY OF CHANGING THE INDIVIDUAL'S NAME EVERY 14 DAYS AND BECOMES A RESIDENCE

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THIS THIS IS A SEVEN DAY ABSENCE IN THE BUSINESS MODEL THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED IS FOR BED AND BREAKFASTS.

THERE ARE DIFFERENT REQUESTS OR APPLICATIONS SHE COULD MAKE FOR A MULTI FAMILY, BUT IT IS OUR INTENTION TO REQUEST AUDITS OF THE RECORDS AS AS NEEDED, AND ALSO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ALERTING US TO NEW PICK UPS THAT SEEM TO BE APPROPRIATE FOR WHERE THEY'RE AT.

SO WE HAVE BETTER COMMUNICATION NOW, AND SOUTH 40 DID COME FORWARD WITH A PLAN TO AND BROUGHT IT TO YOU AS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES NOW ADEQUATELY.

YEAH, THAT WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE AND THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING RIGHT SINCE IT WAS ADDRESSED, BUT IT WENT ON FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS OR MORE BEFORE WE CAN GET A HANDLE ON IT, AND I'M SURE THEY'LL DO FINE HERE COVERING ALL OF OUR BASES AS WELL.

YES, I THINK EVERYONE LEARNED A LITTLE BIT FROM THAT CASE, AND THERE'S ACTUALLY BEEN A GOOD EFFORT TO KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING AGAIN.

GOOD. THANK YOU, MS. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, MA'AM. DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO SPEAK? MY NAME IS [INAUDIBLE].

THANK YOU CERTAINLY, FOR HEARING MY SPECIAL EXEMPTION REQUEST.

I WANT TO REASSURE THE GENTLEMAN THAT ASKED ABOUT.

I'VE NOT HEARD ABOUT THE SOUTH 40, BUT I'M 60.

MY CHILDREN ARE 25 AND OLDER.

I DO LIVE IN THE RESIDENCE AND I ACTUALLY LIVE AND WORK IN HONOLULU, HAWAII.

SO I'M BACK AND FORTH AND I DO HAVE A CARETAKER THERE THAT DOES NOT HAVE ANY CHILDREN, AND SO THIS IS MY FAMILY HOME, AS IT'S BEEN IN MY FAMILY FOR ABOUT 130 YEARS.

I DON'T EXPECT THAT WE'LL HAVE THAT SITUATION, BUT ANY TIME THAT WE DO HAVE A GUEST AND WE DO HAVE SEVERAL INTERNATIONAL GUESTS AND PEOPLE FROM HAWAII, AND THEY WHEN THEY TYPICALLY TRANSFER TRAVEL TO THE EAST COAST, THEY STAY FOR LONGER, AT LEAST TWO WEEKS, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE REQUESTED THAT IT BE A TWO WEEK STAY, AND THEN THEY WOULD LEAVE AND OR AND GO VISIT OTHER PLACES ON THE EAST COAST AND THEN THEY MIGHT COME BACK, BUT AS MY HUSBAND I LIVED IN VIRGINIA FOR ALL OF OUR LIVES AND I GREW UP HERE IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY, WE DO WANT TO COME BACK NOW THAT WE HAVE BOTH RETIRED.

SO IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE BACK IN PRINCE GEORGE AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO OPENING UP A BUSINESS IN THE PLACE WHERE I GREW UP.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION, PLEASE COME FORWARD, GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU'LL HAVE 4 MINUTES TO SPEAK.

SEEING NO ONE COMING FORWARD.

I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE BOARD.

MADAM CHAIR, I DON'T I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.

I DO WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT.

I WANT TO THANK MS. [INAUDIBLE]. YOU REACHED OUT TO ME SEVERAL TIMES, AND I HAVE TO SAY SHE TOOK THIS TO HEART.

SHE CALLED. SHE ASKED QUESTIONS.

SHE WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS WAS WITH HER IN CONTACT WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE.

SO, YOU KNOW, I HAVE ALL THE FAITH AND BELIEF THAT SHE'S GOING TO DO THINGS THE RIGHT WAY , BUT AS I WOULD AGREE WITH MS. WALTON, I THINK WE'VE LEARNED FROM SOME OTHER SITUATIONS SO THAT WE STAY ON OUR TOES AS WELL, BUT I HAVE THE UTMOST CONFIDENCE THAT SHE'S DOING THE RIGHT THING AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

THANK YOU. WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? MADAM CHAIR, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS AND NO OBJECTIONS AT THIS TIME, I SO MOVE THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THIS SPECIAL EXEMPTION TO HAVE A SECOND.

THANK YOU. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK.

NEXT PUBLIC HEARING IS P TWO.

THIS IS A REZONING REQUEST.

A WELL STATION ROAD, AND THIS IS ALSO MISS WALTON.

THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MADAM CHAIR.

MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. MR. STOKE. MR. WHITTEN, THIS REQUEST IS TO CONDITIONALLY REZONE 880 ACRES FROM I-2 GENERAL INDUSTRIAL TO M-2.

GENERAL INDUSTRIAL, AND THE PURPOSE OF THE REZONING IS TO UPDATE THE ZONING TO THE CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCE, AS WELL AS TO REMOVE SOME VERY RESTRICTIVE CONDITIONS THAT WERE PLACED ON THE PROPERTY AT THE ORIGINAL REZONING TO I-2.

STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON BOTH SIDES OF WELL STATION ROAD IN OUR INDUSTRIAL PARK.

THIS MAP HERE SHOWS THE OUTLINE IN RED OF THE PROPERTY.

THIS PROPERTY IS THE FORMER ROLLS-ROYCE PROPERTY.

THERE IS A CURRENT FACILITY ON THE PROPERTY THAT IS VACANT THAT THE NEW OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO MARKET TO POTENTIAL TENANTS.

THEY WOULD ALSO LIKE TO DEVELOP SOME OF THE OTHER PROPERTY WITH EITHER [INAUDIBLE] SUIT SIMILAR TO WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER DEVELOPERS IN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK DO ARE TO MARKET TO SPECIFIC TENANTS.

THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW.

THIS MAP HAS THE PROPERTY OUTLINED IN BLUE, AND YOU CAN SEE THE ROLLS-ROYCE FACILITY ON THIS MAP.

THIS IS THE ZONING MAP THAT SHOWS THE SURROUNDING INDUSTRIAL USES COMMERCIAL USES AS WELL AS THE RA RESIDENTIAL USES ON WEST QUAKER ROAD.

THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT IDENTIFIES THIS AREA AS INDUSTRIAL AS IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED.

THE BACKGROUND IS THIS SL WELL STATION PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY RECENTLY.

IT'S WITHIN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK WITHIN AN AREA LABELED THE CROSS POINT LOGISTICS CENTER.

THIS, AGAIN, IT WAS THE ROLLS ROYCE PROPERTY AND DOES CONTAIN THAT MANUFACTURING FACILITY.

IT ALSO INCLUDES SOME SURROUNDING PROPERTY THAT WAS GOING TO BE FOR SOME OF THE ROLLS ROYCE VENDORS ROLLS, AS YOU ARE AWARE, ROLLS ROYCE HAD RECENTLY CLOSED AND HAS NOW SOLD THE PROPERTY AND THE APPLICANT WISHES TO REZONE FROM THE I-2 GENERAL INDUSTRIAL TO M-2 GENERAL INDUSTRIAL, AND THESE TWO USES THE I-2 IS IN USE THAT IS NO LONGER IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.

IT WAS IN PLACE AT THE TIME THAT ROLLS ROYCE CAME TO PRINCE GEORGE, SO IT WAS THE APPROPRIATE TITLE FOR THAT DISTRICT THAT I-2 DISTRICT IS NOW IN TODAY'S ZONING ORDINANCE CALLED M-2.

THE APPLICANT ORIGINALLY JUST ASKED TO MODIFY SOME OF THE CONDITIONS UNDER THE ZONING, IT'S STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO UPDATE IT TO THE CURRENT TERM OF M-2.

SO THERE'S NOT REALLY A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN I-2 AND M-2.

IT'S AN OLD CODE VERSUS A NEW CODE, AND I DID WANT TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION FOR THE BOARD AND FOR THE PUBLIC AS WELL.

I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOME QUESTION RAISED ABOUT THAT AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.

SO I-2 WAS THE OLD NAME.

M-2 IS THE NEW NAME.

ROLLS ROYCE HAD DONE VERY RESTRICTIVE ZONING THAT DEALT WITH THEIR MANUFACTURING AND THEIR VENDORS, AND IN YOUR PACKET IS A COPY OF THAT RESTRICTIVE ZONING THAT ALLOWED ONLY A VERY LIMITED NUMBER OF USES IN ON THEIR PROPERTY.

THIS REZONING WILL REMOVE THOSE RESTRICTIONS AND ALLOW THE PROPERTY OWNER TO MARKET THIS PROPERTY TO A WIDER BASE OF INDUSTRIAL USERS.

THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN OF WHAT THEIR FUTURE BUILD OUT MAY LOOK LIKE.

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A PLANNING AND ZONING STAFF REVIEW COMMENTS ARE SUMMARIZED HERE.

THIS AGAIN HAS BEEN UTILIZED IN THE PAST FOR INDUSTRIAL PURPOSES FOR THE GAS TURBINE ENGINE FACILITY.

THIS NEW OWNER WOULD LIKE TO MARKET THE EXISTING BUILDING TO NEW OWNERS OR TENANTS AS WELL AS THE SURROUNDING BUILD [INAUDIBLE] SUIT SITES.

THE PROPOSED REZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN BECAUSE OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION FOR INDUSTRIAL AND IT IS AN INDUSTRIAL USE TO AN INDUSTRIAL USE.

OTHER STAFF REVIEW COMMENTS TO THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION REVIEWED THIS, AND VDOT HAS INDICATED THAT THEY CAN SUPPORT THE AMENDED PROFFER INCLUDED IN THE 911 REVISION.

THERE IS ONE OF YOUR CONDITIONS PUTS A LIMIT ON TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE ALLOWED TO BE BUILT BEFORE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS HAS TO BE DONE.

WE NORMALLY CALL THAT A TIA, SO THERE IS A THRESHOLD THAT THE TIA WILL KICK IN AT, AND THIS CONDITION HERE INCLUDED IN THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION JUST IDENTIFIES THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE NUMBER, AND THAT IS FOR THE APPLICANT'S KNOWLEDGE AS WELL AS AS THE BOARDS, TO KNOW THAT ONCE THEY REACH THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE, THEY WILL HAVE TO DO A TIA, WHICH COULD LEAD TO FUTURE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS OR TURN LANES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UTILITIES DEPARTMENT HAS INDICATED, AS WE'RE WELL AWARE, THE ONLY AVAILABLE CAPACITY FOR THE PROPERTY IS AT THE EXISTING BUILDING, BUT WE ARE TAKING STEPS TO IMPROVE THAT, THE APPLICANT IS WELL AWARE OF THE RESTRICTIONS THAT EVEN WITH THE REZONING FUTURE SPEC BUILDINGS AND OCCUPIED BUILDINGS ARE BASED ON THE AVAILABLE UTILITIES. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT AS WELL, AND THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN OUR ENTERPRISE ZONE. STAFF AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE APPLICANT'S PROFFERED CONDITIONS AND THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS BY STAFF.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AS YOU ARE AWARE, THIS BOARD PACKET, IS PREPARED FOR YOU IN ADVANCE, BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID MEET ON SEPTEMBER 22ND AND DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

HERE IS A GENERAL SUMMARY OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE APPROVAL.

I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THE APPLICANT DID PROFFER SEVERAL CONDITIONS WHICH RESTRICT SOME OF THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN M-2, AS WELL AS SOME BUFFERING AND SEPARATION LANDSCAPING CONDITIONS.

SO A HIGHLIGHT OF THE PROFFERS IN THE CONDITIONS THAT THE FIRST ONE IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE LIMIT BEFORE THE TIA HAS TO BE PERFORMED IN THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO VDOT.

THEY WILL HAVE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND THE USES LISTED WILL NOT BE BUILT AT THIS SITE.

EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE ALLOWED IN M-2.

THEY HAVE PROFFERED THESE OUT AND THAT LIST INCLUDES CORRECTIONAL FACILITY, LANDFILL, LANDFILL, SANITARY, MEATPACKING AND SAWMILL, SCRAP AND SALVAGE SERVICES.

SO SOME OF THE USES THAT YOU MAY NOT WANT TO SEE IN YOUR INDUSTRIAL PART, THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED AND PROFFERED THOSE OUT , AND AGAIN, THIS IS THEIR CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT FOR THE FUTURE, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE HERE AS WELL.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM.

I'VE GOT ONE. I HAVE ONE, TOO, AFTER MR. WEBB. THANK YOU.

YOU MENTIONED I-2 IS NO LONGER, AND WE'RE GOING TO M-2.

YOU'RE GOING WHERE I WAS GOING.

DID I NOT CATCH IN ONE OF THOSE SLIDES THERE'S AT LEAST ONE OR TWO BUILDINGS.

WHY IS THAT? THERE WAS A PERIOD OF TIME I-2 WASN'T AVAILABLE USE FOR ANYONE TO APPLY TO, BUT ROLLS-ROYCE DID

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THEY HAVE CONTINUED WITH THE I-2, AND THERE'S ONE SMALL PARCEL THAT ROLLS-ROYCE STILL OWNS.

SO THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS REQUEST AND THAT WILL REMAIN TO AS WELL.

WELL, THE CONCERN I GOT AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE AN ARGUMENTATIVE WITH YOU, CAN'T SAY IT'S GOING AWAY IF WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT.

RIGHT. IT APPEARS TO ME WE'RE KEEPING IT EVEN THOUGH WE'RE MOVING TO M-2.

I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY AREN'T WE JUST GOING ALL M-2 AND BE DONE WITH IT, MAKE IT MATCH YOUR CURRENT ORDINANCE.

IF THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE.

THE COUNTY COULD LOOK AT THAT AND HAS DONE THAT.

THE COUNTY WOULD INITIATE A REZONING AND MR. WHITTEN MAY BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN THAT BETTER, BUT ONCE YOU RECEIVE IF A ZONING ORDINANCE CHANGES AND THE DESIGNATIONS GET NEW TITLES, YOU IT IS, I BELIEVE, YOUR OPTION.

YOU CAN STAY UNDER THAT OLD.

THIS APPLICANT IS AGREEABLE.

IT ALLOWS THEM TO USE THE CURRENT BOOK.

WE MAINTAIN THE OLD ZONING CODE THAT HAS OLD THINGS SO THAT WE CAN ASSIST ANYBODY WHO DOES HAVE AN OLD DESIGNATION, BUT ANYTHING FROM AND M-2 HAS BEEN IN EFFECT SINCE, I BELIEVE, 2008, BUT THIS WOULD HAVE GONE OUT TO ALL THE ADJACENT LANDOWNERS.

SO IF THEY HAD A CONCERN WITH IT, THEY WOULD HAVE HAD AN OPTION TO COME FORTH AND SAY, NO, I DON'T WANT TO GO TO M-2.

I WANT TO STAY I-2.

YES, AND THEY DIDN'T DO THAT.

NOBODY, NOBODY ELSE HAS COME FORWARD.

THOSE LAST TWO PROPERTIES OWNERS HAVE NOT COME FORWARD RIGHT NOW.

[INAUDIBLE] I'M SORRY.

WHY ARE WE NOT JUST MOVING IN [INAUDIBLE] IF EVERY OTHER PUBLIC HEARING PEOPLE HAVE A CHANCE TO COME OUT AND SPEAK RIGHT, WRONG OR INDIFFERENT, AND THEN WE RULE ON A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, WHATEVER IT IS, IT'S FOR WHAT'S BEST FOR THE LET'S JUST SAY, THE INDUSTRIAL PARK.

MOVING FORWARD, WE'VE CHANGED OUR ORDINANCE.

WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE EVERYTHING THE SAME, BUT YET WE'RE NOT.

THAT'S CONFUSING AS HELL TO ME, AND THAT'S WHERE I WANT IT TO GO.

BECAUSE IF YOU'RE TELLING ME I-2 DOESN'T EXIST IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, AND ROLLS ROYCE IS NO LONGER HERE.

YOU TO ME, YOU CAN'T GRANDFATHER A NEW BUSINESS UNDER THE OLD.

ZONING THAT DOESN'T EXIST ANY LONGER TO ME.

IF ROLLS-ROYCE SELLS THE PROPERTY OR WHATEVER, OR I-2 GOES AWAY, I'M KIND OF LEANING WITH MR. WEBB. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN INITIATED BY THE COUNTY TO SAY, HEY, SO-AND-SO, YOU NEED TO UPGRADE.

WE NEED TO UPGRADE YOUR ZONING TO M-2, BUT SO TO ME, I THINK IF THERE'S ANY I-2 OVER THERE, THEY ALL NEED TO BE UPGRADED TO M-2, BECAUSE I WANT I-2 DOESN'T EXIST IN OUR ORDINANCE BOOK ANY LONGER.

THAT'S JUST ME. I'M NOT AGAINST THIS.

I'M JUST SAYING IT'S CONFUSING.

IF YOU'RE SAYING SOMETHING DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE, BUT YET YOU'RE STILL GOING TO ALLOW SOME PEOPLE TO HOLD ON TO IT, AND YOU'RE GOING TO CHERRY PICK WHERE YOU CHANGE THAT TO.

TO LINK UP WITH THE NEW.

ORDINANCE DESIGNATION.

I THINK STAFF AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CHERRY PICKED IT.

I THINK STAFF RECOMMENDED THAT ALONG WITH THEIR REQUEST TO REMOVE THE RESTRICTIONS PLACED BY ROLLS ROYCE THAT THEY UPDATE TO THE CURRENT DISTRICT, WHICH IS NOW CALLED M-2, BUT THEY COULD HAVE MOVED FORWARD AND JUST BEEN ORDERED TO.

I THINK STAFF TAKES THE OPPORTUNITY AS CASES COME FORWARD TO GET APPLICANTS TO THE CORRECT ZONING RATHER THAN DOING A FORCED REZONING BY THE LOCALITY.

JUST TO ME, THE COUNTY SHOULD OWN THAT AND SAY IF WE'RE DOING AWAY WITH I-2, WE KNOW WE'RE DOING AWAY WITH IT, WHY WOULDN'T WE INITIATE ANYBODY THAT'S I-2 AND SAY, WE WANT YOU TO LOOK AT UPGRADING? BECAUSE TO ME THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE WITH THE I-2 FOR THAT'S THERE FOR ROLLS ROYCE, IF ROLLS ROYCE LEAVES, THOSE CONDITIONS TO ME ARE NO LONGER IN EFFECT. HOW ARE THEY STILL IN EFFECT IF ROLLS ROYCE IS GONE? YOU CAN'T HOLD THE NEW GUY TO THOSE RESTRICTIONS.

IT WOULD STAYED I-2.

WELL, I-2 DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE.

WELL, IT'S STILL EXIST ON THOSE PROPERTIES THAT WERE ZONED.

YES. [INAUDIBLE] COUNTY HAD.

ALL RIGHT, I'M JUST VOICING MY.

YEAH, JUST MY OPINION ON THAT, THAT'S ALL.

I'M GLAD HE WENT THERE BECAUSE I WAS GOING THERE.

I'M SORRY. I HATE TO BE DIFFICULT, BUT IF ROLLS ROYCE IS NOT HERE ANYMORE, ALL THE ADJACENT LANDOWNERS OWNERS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO EITHER COME SPEAK TO THE PLANNING

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I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS.

IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ON THE BOOKS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GO BACK AND ARGUE ANYTHING LATER DOWN THE ROAD, OR WHY ARE WE GOING TO WASTE TIME COMING BACK AT A LATER TIME DOWN THE ROAD? I MEAN, IT IS ON THE BOOKS.

WE MAINTAIN THAT OLD TO 2007 ZONING ORDINANCE FOR ALL PROPERTIES THAT WERE REZONED UNDER THAT STANDARD.

SO WE MAINTAIN TWO ORDINANCES [INAUDIBLE] MISUNDERSTOOD SOMETHING I THOUGHT THAT PROPOSAL THAT WHAT YOU JUST HAD UP THERE SAYING I-2 DOES NOT EXIST ANYMORE. IT'S NOT IN THE CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCE.

YOU CANNOT COME UP HERE AND ASK TO BE I-2.

IF YOU WANTED TO BE I-2 WE TELL YOU, OH, THAT'S NOW CALLED M-2.

IT IS VERY, VERY SIMILAR.

THERE WERE SOME SLIGHT CHANGES BETWEEN THE TWO DISTRICTS, BUT THE I-2 WAS PART OF THE ZONING UPDATE THAT THE BOARD BACK IN 2007, I BELIEVE, DID, AND THEN THEY REPEALED IT.

IN 2008, BUT DURING THAT TIME FRAME THAT IT WAS IN EFFECT, THERE WERE SOME PROPERTIES THAT WERE REZONED WITH THIS NEW CODE THAT WE HAD. SO IF I BOUGHT THE ROLLS ROYCE PROPERTY.

WOULD I BE ABLE TO STAY IN BY THAT PROPERTY AND STATE THAT I WANT TO STAY UNDER THE I-2 ORDINANCE.

YES. EVEN THOUGH WE'RE CHANGING, IT DOESN'T EXIST IN OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT '07 ORDINANCE FOR ALL PROPERTIES.

THIS ACTION HERE NOT ARGUING THAT IF SOMEBODY WAS STILL PHYSICALLY THERE, IT WOULDN'T BE RIGHT TO UPROOT THEM AND SAY, NO, YOU'RE AUTOMATICALLY GOING TO CHANGE.

WE WENT THROUGH THIS WITH TWO OTHER INDUSTRIAL SITES WE HAVE, AND THERE WAS 5050 SPLIT.

I REMEMBER THAT HAPPENED HERE IN THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS.

I GOT THAT PART.

THEY SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO STAY WHERE THEY GOT, AND IT MAY HAVE SOME DIFFERENCE IN IMPLICATIONS FOR TAX PURPOSES OR WHATEVER CASE.

SO THAT'S A BUSINESS DECISION, BUT THESE PROPERTIES ARE VACANT RIGHT NOW, CORRECT? YES, SIR. OKAY, I'LL JUST LEAVE IT.

I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE ANYMORE. I'LL JUST LEAVE IT WHERE I'M [INAUDIBLE] ISN'T THERE ONE PART PARCEL THAT IS STILL OWNED BY ROLLS-ROYCE? YES, AND THAT WOULD BE I-2.

THAT WILL STILL BE I-2, AND SCM'S NEW PLANT IS I-2.

M-2, WAS THAT AVAILABLE IN 2007? NO. WHEN ROLLS ROYCE CAME INTO TOWN.

IT WAS CALLED I-2. YES, THEY DID THE I-2 WITH VERY STRICT RESTRICTIONS TO THAT.

YES, SIR. WHICH ALMOST KEPT ANY COMPETITOR OR ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO DO SIMILAR TO THE TYPE OF BUSINESS THEY DID AWAY FROM THEIR THOUSAND 50 ACRES.

YES, IT WAS DESIGNED THAT WAY.

SO THEY MADE IT SO RESTRICTIVE.

NOW FOR PEOPLE TO WANT TO PURCHASE THIS LAND MARKET IT.

LESS RESTRICTIVE WOULD BE M-2.

GENERAL M-2 WITHOUT THOSE RESTRICTIONS.

AND IN FACT, THE PROPERTY WAS M-2 PROBABLY BEFORE THE 2007 CHANGE AND IT GOT CALLED I-2 FOR A YEAR, AND HOW MANY I-2 PARCELS DO YOU HAVE IN THAT 880 ACRES? THE ENTIRE THING IS I-2.

IT'S ONE PARCEL. IF THIS GETS PASSED, HOW MANY I-2S WOULD BE LEFT? THE SCM AND THE SMALL PIECE THAT ROLLS-ROYCE BROKE OFF? YES, AND THE ONLY WAY WE CAN CHANGE ROLLS ROYCE'S PARCEL IS FOR THEM TO SELL IT.

THE CURRENT OWNER IS AGREEABLE TO CHANGING IT TO THE M-2? YES. YOU MEAN THE VACANT PARCEL? THE PIECE THAT ROLLS ROYCE WHO OWNS.

YEAH, ROLLS ROYCE COULD ASK US TO SWITCH IT TO M-2.

PROBABLY WON'T, BUT YES, IF THEY SHOULD SELL IT, THEN WE CAN CHANGE THAT OVER TO M-2.

IF YOU GET A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, NOT JUST THE SALE.

IT HAS TO BE A ZONING ACTION.

MM HMM. OKAY, IT COULD SELL AS I-2.

WELL, THE SOONER WE CLEAN IT UP, THE BETTER.

YES. THAT'S OUR GOAL.

ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S OUR GOAL, BUT RIGHT NOW, WE'RE DEALING WITH THIS.

MS. CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS? IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? DO THEY WISH TO SPEAK? MADAM CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

MR. STOKE. MR. WHITTEN.

THANK YOU, MR. WALTON. MY NAME IS ANDY COLEMAN FROM RALPH JACKSON HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

I HAVE WITH US HOLDEN SABATO FROM SL INDUSTRIAL, AS WELL AS DEREK JOHNSON FROM [INAUDIBLE].

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IF IT'S ALL RIGHT, I'D LIKE TO RESERVE MY TIME TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT RAISE AND ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE NOW.

WE JUST WANT TO CLEAN THIS PROPERTY UP AND BE ABLE TO USE IT FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN ROLLS-ROYCE AND THEN JUST TRY TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE EXISTING CODE SO THAT WE'RE NOT GRANDFATHERED OTHERWISE, AND THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR, AND WITH RESPECT, I DON'T THINK WE WERE QUESTIONING WHAT YOU WANT TO DO [INAUDIBLE] THE LEFTOVERS [INAUDIBLE], AND CERTAINLY I'M NOT SURE, COUNTY ATTORNEY, BUT CERTAINLY FROM YOUR ACTION, YOU COULD ACTUALLY REZONE THOSE AS HAS BEEN SUGGESTED, AS A PROPERTY OWNER, REPRESENTATIVE OF PROPERTY OWNER, I THINK THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEW CODE AND GET RID OF THOSE ROLLS ROYCE RESTRICTIONS IN DUE TIME.

IT'LL BE GOOD, I'M SURE, BUT THEY'LL HAPPEN IN DUE TIME, RIGHT, BECAUSE ROLLS ROYCE GOES TO SELL THEIR REMAINING PIECE.

WHOEVER BUYS IT IS GOING TO DO THE SAME THING WE'RE DOING [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I'M GOOD. YEAH.

SORRY YOU HAD TO BE PART OF THAT.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT, [INAUDIBLE] I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR AFTERWARDS.

IF I COULD JUST. RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE LOOKING PRETTY GOOD.

[INAUDIBLE] I'LL SHUT UP AND SIT DOWN.

[CHUCKLING] THANK YOU.

IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO ANYONE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK.

PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME.

YEAH. COME FORWARD, SIR.

PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS.

YOU'LL HAVE 4 MINUTES TO SPEAK.

I'M SORRY. [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S NOT YOUR FAULT, MR. LEWIS. MY NAME IS BARRY LEWIS.

I LIVE AT 8800 BOW BRIDGE ROAD.

I'M AN ADJACENT LANDOWNER TO THE ROLLS ROYCE PROPERTY.

WHAT I'M UP HERE TO ASK YOU ALL IS NOT ONLY I, BUT TWO OTHER PEOPLE LIVE UP IN THE END OF BOW BRIDGE ROAD. WE'RE ALL SURROUNDED BY ROLLS ROYCE PROPERTY.

WE'RE AGAINST ANY REZONING THAT WOULD BRING ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS AND ROADS INTO THE AREA.

SO WE'RE DOWN IN OUR PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.

WE'VE ALL GOT CLEAR CUT EXCUSE ME, CLEAR CUT TIMBER THAT ROLLS-ROYCE CUT ALL THE TIMBER OFF MY LAND IN PARTICULAR COMES TO A POINT ON BOW RIDGE ROAD.

I CAN SIT OUT IN MY BACKYARD AND LOOK OVER THIS WHOLE POINT.

IT COMES TO A POINT.

I COULD SEE THAT WHOLE POINT.

I WATCHED THE MACHINERY CUT ALL THE TIMBER OFF.

I COULDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING, WE, ALL OF US, LANDOWNERS I AND TWO OTHERS UP IN THERE WOULD LIKE TO HOLD ON TO OUR LITTLE PIECE OF COUNTRY WE'VE GOT WITHOUT ANYMORE BUILDINGS AND ROADS UP IN THE AREA WHERE WE'RE IN. THIS IS BOW BRIDGE ROAD.

I'LL THANK YOU ALL, ALL FOR LISTENING TO ME.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU, SIR, FOR YOUR SERVICE.

TO OUR COUNTRY. TO OUR COUNTY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THERE'S ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ISSUE.

SEEING NO ONE ELSE COMING FORWARD.

I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TURN IT BACK TO THE BOARD.

ONE QUESTION FOR MS. WALTON. DO YOU FORESEE ROADS BEING ADDED TO THIS AREA LIKE THE GENTLEMAN JUST MENTIONED? NO, SIR. ONLY THE INTERIOR ACCESS TO THE BUILDINGS THAT YOU SEE ON THE SKETCH.

THE TIA TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WOULD BE DONE AT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE LEVEL WOULD BE MORE LOOKING TOWARDS IMPROVING WEST QUAKER ROAD OR WELL STATION ROAD, NOT ADDITIONAL ROADS, BUT ANY EXTRA ROADS THAT MAY BE PUT IN ALL HAS TO BE APPROVED.

OH, YES. YES, SIR. I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR IT UP.

I DON'T WANT THE GENTLEMAN THINKING THAT WE'RE JUST GOING TO VOTE.

HOWEVER, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE AND IGNORE HIS CONCERNS.

NO, SIR, AND THERE ARE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS BETWEEN THE PROPERTY.

SO THE SL WELL STATION WOULD HAVE TO MAINTAIN THOSE THOSE SETBACKS AND BUFFERS, AND IT IS MARKED AS AN INDUSTRIAL PARK IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.

SO THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS THAT MAY GO UP IN THAT AREA, OF ALL THE LAND THAT'S AVAILABLE, WE HAVE NO FUTURE ON WHAT THAT MIGHT BE, BUT THAT'S THE AREA THAT WE HAVE CHOSEN AS A COUNTY TO PUT EXTRA BUILDINGS.

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IT WOULD JUST BE INTERNAL CIRCULATION LIKE YOU'RE SEEING HERE ON THEIR PROPERTY.

THEY MAY IN THE FUTURE ACTUALLY HAVE TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PUBLIC EXISTING ROADS.

YES, JUST AS LONG AS HE KNOWS ANY EXTRA ROADS THAT HE QUESTIONED ABOUT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROPER STEPS AND APPROVAL.

SO THEY JUST CAN'T THROW THEM UP ANYWHERE THEY WANT.

YES, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I HAVE.

TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR MR. [INAUDIBLE] IS AVAILABLE AS ONE.

ANY QUESTIONS? HEARING NO QUESTION, MS. CHAIRMAN, I APPROVE THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO BE GRANTED AS--IT'S ACTUALLY A REZONING--A REZONING REQUEST TO BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED. IS THAT OKAY? YES. I'LL SECOND.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

THANK YOU. NOW WE GO BACK TO OUR ORDER OF BUSINESS

[ORDER OF BUSINESS ]

MR. HALTOM.

MADAM CHAIR. MEMBERS BOARD.

MR. STOKE. MR. WHITTEN.

AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE RECENTLY ISSUED AN RFP REQUESTING PROPOSALS FOR OUR ANNUAL SERVICES CONTRACT.

THIS WAS BROUGHT ON DUE TO THE CHANGE IN LEGISLATION, CURRENTLY LEGISLATION, AND RESTRICTS US TO AWARDING CONTRACTS OVER 150,000 WITHOUT PROCURING THOSE SERVICES.

THE RECENT LEGISLATION HAS INCREASED THAT SIGNIFICANTLY TO 2.5 MILLION.

SO NOW WE ARE CHANGING.

SINCE WE ARE CHANGING THE POLICY WE NOW HAVE AS PER THE LEGISLATION, WE HAVE TO RE-ADVERTISE OUR ENGINEERING SERVICES AND PROCURE THEM AGAIN UNDER THIS NEW LEGISLATION.

SO WE HAVE NOW DONE THAT.

THE PROPOSALS WERE SUBMITTED ON SEPTEMBER 8TH.

WE HAVE REVIEWED THOSE.

WE HAD STAFF EVALUATE THOSE AND WE HAVE COME IN TODAY TO REQUEST THAT WE REWARD THOSE TO SEVEN ENGINEERING FIRMS, AND THAT WOULD BE FLEMING DEWBERRY, W.W.

ASSOCIATES, TIMMONS GROUP, BOWMAN AND DRAPER AIDEN AND RK&K.

THOSE ARE THE SAME SEVEN ENGINEERING FIRMS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON OUR CONTRACT AS WELL, AND THIS TERM'S FOR A ONE YEAR PERIOD, AND WE ARE ALLOWED TO EXTEND THOSE OR RENEW THOSE FOR THREE MORE YEARS AT CONSECUTIVE ONE YEAR TERMS. SO WE ASKED TODAY THAT YOU APPROVE THESE CONTRACTS TO ALLOW US TO HAVE THIS GROUP OF ENGINEERING FIRMS AVAILABLE TO US FOR ANY TYPE OF PROJECTS OR NEEDS BY THE COUNTY.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS. MADAM CHAIRMAN PROPOSAL IT'S ONLY A CHANGE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE LAW WAS WRITTEN.

SO I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, WE PASS A RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED.

I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

THANK YOU, MR. HALTOM.

A(2) APPROPRIATION FOR VIRGINIA PUBLIC SCHOOL AUTHORITY BOND SERIES.

MRS. DREWRY? YES, MA'AM. GOOD EVENING AGAIN.

AS THE BOARD IS AWARE, WE DID A $32 MILLION BORROWING TO CONSTRUCT THE NEW MIDDLE ROAD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN 2021.

WHEN THOSE BOND PROCEEDS COME IN, THEY ARE DEPOSITED WITH THE SNAP STATE NON ARBITRAGE PROGRAM, AND THOSE BOND PROCEEDS, PRINCIPAL PROCEEDS ACCRUE INTEREST.

THIS PARTICULAR BOND SERIES, THE ONLY PURPOSE THAT ACCRUED INTEREST CAN BE USED FOR IS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS RELATED TO THAT NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

THE CUMULATIVE INTEREST EARNINGS AS OF AUGUST 31ST FOR $88,052.38.

SO WE ARE ASKING THAT INTEREST REVENUE BE APPROPRIATED TO THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT FOR THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

WE KNOW THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CHANGE ORDERS FOR THE SCHOOL AND THAT INTEREST REVENUE CAN BE USED FOR CONSTRUCTION AND RELATED COSTS, AND IF THE BOARD IS AMENABLE TO IT, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING THESE APPROPRIATION REQUESTS TO YOU QUARTERLY AND PUT THOSE ON THE ORDER OF CONSENSUS IN THE FUTURE, IF YOU DON'T OBJECT TO THAT

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I'M GOOD. PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY.

IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, MS. CHAIRMAN, WE'LL MOVE TO ACCEPT THIS RESOLUTION.

THE APPROPRIATION OF 88,052.38.

I'LL SECOND.

THANK YOU. ROLL, PLEASE.

ALL RIGHT, NEXT IS THE A(3) AWARD OF CONTRACT FOR COUNTY FIBER UPGRADES.

MR. YOUNG.

GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. STOKE, MR. WHITTEN, AND YES, WE'RE HERE TODAY TO RECOMMEND THE AWARD OF CONTRACT FOR SOME FIBER REPAIRS, MAINTENANCE UPGRADES, ETC.

TO NET 100, AND I'VE GOT JUST A LITTLE BIT OF OVERVIEW HERE FOR YOU.

JUST TO RECAP SOME OF THE THINGS.

IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE FIBERS, A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW HERE AND FEEL FREE TO STOP ME AT ANY TIME IF YOU'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS.

SO BASICALLY BETWEEN ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS NOW, MOST OF THEM HAVE A 24 STRAND FIBER CABLE AND THAT'S SPLIT UP BETWEEN 12 STRANDS OF MULTIMODE AND 12 STRANDS OF SINGLE MODE FIBER. NOW, EACH STRAND OF FIBER HAS TO WORK WITH ANOTHER STRAND TO FORM A PAIR IN ORDER TO MAKE A CONNECTION.

SO AS WE'RE SAYING HERE, BASICALLY, MOST OF OUR BUILDINGS RIGHT NOW HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR UP TO SIX CONNECTIONS IN MULTIMODE FIBER AND SIX CONNECTIONS IN SINGLE MODE.

SO AS THE BOARD IS AWARE, WE DID SOME TESTING ON THE FIBER AND TEST ALL THESE INDIVIDUAL STRANDS QUITE A FEW MONTHS BACK HERE.

SO JUST SHARING WITH YOU SOME OF THE RESULTS OF THAT TESTING.

SO RIGHT ON THIS SHEET, YOU CAN SEE WE TESTED A TOTAL OF 192 STRANDS BETWEEN ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS AND THE MAJORITY OF THOSE DID FAIL TESTING. NOW, FAILURE IN THIS CASE DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT'S NOT PASSING LIGHT ON SOME CASES THEY STILL ARE, BUT THE LIGHT THAT'S BEING PASSED IS NOT AT THE LEVEL THAT WE WOULD DEEM TO BE OPTIMAL FOR USAGE, AS IN THE NOTES HERE AS WELL.

AT LEAST 46 OF THOSE STRANDS HAD A COMPLETE FAILURE OR 100% LIGHT LOSS, AND THEY ARE COMPLETELY UNUSABLE.

SO WE'VE GOT A GOOD CHUNK OF FIBER THAT DOES NEED SOME WORK TO WRAP THAT UP OR MAYBE SUMMARIZE THAT A LITTLE BIT.

YOU CAN SEE HERE ALL OF THE 12 POTENTIAL CONNECTIONS FROM BUILDING TO BUILDING.

MOST OF THESE ONLY HAVE ONE, TWO OR THREE THAT ARE ACTUALLY USABLE FOR FIBER.

SO WHAT WE'RE BRINGING FOR YOU TODAY IS A RECOMMENDED PLAN FOR GETTING THIS ALL TAKEN CARE OF, USING THE AVAILABLE ARPA FUNDING THAT WE HAVE FOR US.

SO BASED ON DISCUSSIONS WITH WITH THE FOLKS WHO'VE DONE THE TESTING AND THEIR ENGINEERS, THEY DO BELIEVE THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO REPLACE ALL OF THE FIBER IN OUR BUILDINGS. WHAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING IS THAT THEY BELIEVE MOST OF THE PROBLEMS EXIST AT THE PANEL SIDE.

SO HERE'S A PICTURE OF ONE OF OUR FIBER PANELS THAT I'M REFERRING TO.

YES, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF OLD STYLE CONNECTORS HERE.

THEY DON'T USE THESE TYPE OF FIBER CONNECTORS ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT QUITE AS GOOD AS WHAT'S BEING PUT OUT TODAY, BUT ALSO, THE COMPANY BELIEVES THAT BY CLIPPING THESE OFF AND RE TERMINATING THE FIBER IN THESE PANELS WITH THE NEW CONNECTORS THAT ARE UP TO DATE, THAT'S GOING TO RESOLVE MOST OF THE LIGHT ISSUES WE HAVE NOW.

NATURALLY THERE COULD BE SOME LINGERING ISSUES STILL AFTER WE DO THIS, BUT THERE'S A PRETTY STRONG BELIEF FROM THEIR PART THAT REPLACING THESE THESE PANELS WILL FIX MOST OF WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST PRIORITIES OF THE LIST OF EVERYTHING THAT WE GIVE TO YOU IS GETTING THIS DONE FOR ALL THE BUILDINGS AROUND CAMPUS.

THE OTHER ONE OF THE OTHER ITEMS WE HAVE ON THERE IS HANDHOLE DOCUMENTATION.

SO THIS IS JUST A PICTURE OF ONE OF THE MANY HANDHOLES IN THE GROUND AROUND OUR COMPLEX WHERE THE FIBER RUNS OR MAKES TURNS AND JUNCTIONS AND SO FORTH, AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF GOOD DOCUMENTATION ON THIS.

WE DO HAVE A FIBER MAP THAT APPEARS TO BE VERY OLD.

WE KNOW FOR SURE THAT SOME OF THE HANDHOLE DOCUMENTATION AND IN-GROUND PATHS ARE NOT ON THIS MAP.

SO PART OF WHAT WE'D LIKE THE COMPANY TO DO AS WELL AS TO TO GO HERE, DRAW US A BETTER MAP, LET US KNOW WHERE EVERYTHING IS PROPERLY, GO INTO THESE HOLES AND LABEL EVERYTHING. SO IN ADDITION TO HAVING A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE HAVE AND WHERE IT IS, THIS COULD POTENTIALLY ALSO HELP US WITH FUTURE UPGRADES AS WE PLOT OUT COSTS FOR EXPANDING OUR FIBER.

KNOWING WHERE EVERYTHING IS AND WHERE THOSE HANDHOLES ARE IS GOING TO GIVE US A BETTER PICTURE FOR GETTING GOOD ESTIMATES AND DIALING THOSE ESTIMATES IN FOR WHAT THOSE OTHER COSTS COULD BE.

ALL RIGHT, NEXT ITEM I WANT TO TALK ABOUT REAL QUICK IS REDUNDANCY AROUND THE COMPLEX HERE.

SO WHEN I STARTED AT THE COUNTY JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO NOW, FOR AN EXAMPLE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DID NOT HAVE A DIRECT CONNECTION BACK TO ADMIN, WHICH IS OUR PRIMARY

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SO NATURALLY THAT'S A SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE THAT AFFECTED TWO DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.

IF POWER WENT OUT, OR IF A SWITCH WENT DOWN AT THE COURTHOUSE, THE POLICE BUILDING LOST ALL THEIR CONNECTIVITY AS WELL.

IN THE LAST YEAR, WE'VE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF AN EXISTING FIBER CONNECTION THAT RAN DIRECTLY FROM ADMIN TO THE POLICE BUILDING.

SO NOW THEY HAVE DIRECT CONNECTIVITY BACK TO OUR ADMIN, BUT THE OLD PATH THAT THEY USED TO TAKE THROUGH THE COURTHOUSE IS NOW CONFIGURED TO BE A FAILOVER PATH.

SO IF ONE OF THOSE LINES FROM ADMIN ACROSS THE PARKING LOT OVER HERE WERE TO GET CUT, BOTH OF THOSE BUILDINGS NOW HAVE TWO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS TO WHICH THEY CAN STILL MAINTAIN CONNECTIVITY AND PRODUCTIVITY.

SO I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT IS JUST ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE WITH THAT SINCE THAT FIBER PATH WAS AVAILABLE, AND WE'VE DONE THE SAME THING BETWEEN ADMIN, THE TOWER AND OUR EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS CENTER.

AGAIN, THEY HAD A ONE PATH CONNECTION BACK TO ADMIN FOR THEIR NETWORK CONNECTIVITY, AND THAT HAPPENED TO BE ONE OF THE WORST FIBER PATHS THAT WE HAD ON OUR TESTING.

SO AGAIN, WE DID SOME WORK TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THESE OTHER EXISTING FIBER PATHS TO NOW GIVE A REDUNDANT FAILOVER PATH THAT USES THE TOWER TO GET BACK TO ADMIN.

SO AGAIN, WE'VE GOT A LOOP FOR SOME REDUNDANCY WITH MULTIPLE SITES NOW TO HELP PROTECT AGAINST PROBLEMS. SO PART OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR HERE AS WELL AND PART OF THIS CONTRACT IS TO CREATE MORE OF THESE LOOPS THROUGHOUT THE COMPLEX.

JUST ANOTHER QUICK EXAMPLE HERE, DOWN TO THIS END OF THE COMPLEX HERE, OUR BUILDINGS AND GROUND FOLKS IN RCJA, THEY ARE RUNNING OFF OF FIBER THAT RUNS FROM ADMIN DIRECTLY TO SOCIAL SERVICES.

SO AGAIN, SOMETHING HAPPENS THERE.

THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO GET NETWORK CONNECTIVITY CONNECTIVITY BACK TO THEM.

SO ONE OF THE PROPOSED ITEMS IN THERE IS AGAIN TO ADD MORE FIBER TO HELP GIVE US ANOTHER LOOP THAT WE CAN USE, AND AGAIN, JUST BETTER BE PREPARED FOR ACCIDENTS AND INSTABILITY.

SO I DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE PROPOSED ITEMS DIAGRAMED OUT LIKE THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHOW ROUGHLY WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, AND IF ANYBODY HAS QUESTIONS, AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO SLOW DOWN A MINUTE AND TALK ABOUT THESE.

IT JUST REMINDS ME OF WHAT MR. [INAUDIBLE] IS DOING WITH THE WATER.

THAT LOOP STUFF, AND IT'S I MEAN, IT JUST HELPS OUT WITH ANY TIME WE HAVE A FAILURE.

AND I CERTAINLY THINK IT'S GREAT, AND TAGGING THOSE LINES AND THOSE UNDERGROUND THINGS IS CERTAINLY A GRAND IDEA.

YES, SIR, WE THINK SO AS WELL.

WHAT'S OUR BACKUP PLAN IF WE FIND OUT I'M SITTING HERE AND LISTENING, I'M NOT 100% BOUGHT IN THAT OUR FIBER ISSUES ARE JUST AT THE PANEL. SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY START DIGGING INTO THIS MORE AND IT'S MORE THAN JUST AT THE PANEL? I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT ADDITIONAL COSTS.

IT WOULD BE, YES, SIR.

I DIDN'T PUT IT IN THE NUMBERS HERE BECAUSE IT WASN'T EXCUSE ME ON YOURS.

IT WASN'T NECESSARILY USEFUL TO THE CONVERSATION, BUT THEY DID GIVE A BALLPARK ESTIMATE FOR REPLACING FIBER BETWEEN OUR BUILDINGS JUST BASED ON AN AVERAGE DISTANCE FROM THE BUILDINGS, AND IT'S ROUGHLY APPROXIMATELY 10,000 OR SO.

IF WE FIND THE PANEL REPLACEMENT, LET'S SAY, FROM HERE TO ECC DOESN'T WORK AND WE NEED TO PULL THAT FIBER OUT OF THE GROUND, ROUGHLY 10,000 PER BUILDING CONNECTION IF WE HAVE TO REPLACE THEM.

YEAH, I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE KNOW IT IS WHAT IS WORST CASE, AND BEST CASE IS IF IT'S JUST THAT THE PANEL, BUT IF IT'S NOT AND IT WAS ACROSS ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS BOARD NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT'S OUR WORST CASE NUMBER? YES, SIR. WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THOSE FUNDS COME FROM AT THAT TIME, AND WE DID PUT IN AND REQUEST A LITTLE BIT OF CONTINGENCY FUNDING AS WELL.

SO POTENTIALLY, IF MAYBE ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS COME UP, WE'D ALREADY HAVE YOUR BLESSING FOR THAT PART OF IT, BUT CERTAINLY, YES, IF WE RUN INTO SOMETHING SIGNIFICANTLY MORE CHALLENGING, IT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU.

I WAS GOING TO ASK IF HE HAD ANY CONTINGENCY BUILT IN.

IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DO.

YES, SIR. WE PUT IN A 10% CONTINGENCY IN OUR REQUEST.

YEAH. THAT 10% WON'T COVER IF WE END UP FINDING OUT, THOUGH, THAT THE ISSUE IS BEYOND JUST THE CONNECTION TO THE PANEL BECAUSE IT COULD INVOLVE MULTIPLE BUILDINGS.

SO THE WAY SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE SET UP TODAY.

YES, SIR. I MEAN, WE GOT YOU KNOW, THEY ASSURED US WITH A HIGH LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE THEY BELIEVE THIS WILL BE IT, BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

WE NEED TO BE PREPARED, AT LEAST MENTALLY TO HAVE SOME MORE CONVERSATIONS IF NECESSARY.

SO IN THE LAST SLIDE HERE THAT I HAVE FOR [INAUDIBLE] AND JUST HIGHLIGHTING THE ITEMS THAT ARE IN THIS REQUEST FOR AWARD ONE BEING THE HANDHOLE DOCUMENTATION TERMINATION OF THE FIBER PANELS IN ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS.

WE ALSO HAVE A REQUEST FOR SOME FIBER TO BE UPGRADED HERE IN OUR ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING THAT GOES BETWEEN FLOORS.

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WHICH WAS A CONNECTION THAT WE DID HAVE IN PLACE BUT NEEDED TO BE RELOCATED BECAUSE OF THE GARAGE EXPANSION MAINTENANCE THAT WAS GOING ON IN CONSTRUCTION.

SO THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, AND THEN THE NEW FIBER CONNECTIONS THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED IN THERE RIGHT NOW AS LISTED THERE, A CONNECTION TO UTILITIES THAT GIVES US A LOOP FOR THAT, AND THE BUILDINGS ON THIS END OF THE COMPLEX, WE'D LIKE TO MAKE A DIRECT CONNECTION TO STATION ONE THAT'S A NEW ONE THAT WOULD LET THEM GET DIRECT ACCESS TO OUR NETWORK AND COULD HAVE SOME LONG TERM COST SAVINGS.

I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT EQUATES, BUT ONCE WE GET THEM ON OUR NETWORK, WE'D BE ABLE TO TURN OFF THEIR INDIVIDUAL COMCAST SUBSCRIPTION AT THE STATION, SO AT LEAST WE'D BE RECOUPING SOME OF THOSE FUNDINGS AND GIVE THEM BETTER CONNECTIVITY BACK TO US, BUT ALSO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF NETWORK EQUIPMENT OUT OF THE LOOP THAT WE HAVE TO USE NOW BECAUSE THEY ARE ON COMCAST, AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE HAVE CONNECTIONS FROM OUR UTILITY SECTION TO THE TRAILER, AND THEN THE LOOP FOR THE SOUTHERN END HERE WOULD GO FROM EITHER THE ECC OR TOWER DOWN TO RC/JA TO GIVE US THAT REDUNDANCY DOWN THERE AT THAT END OF THE COMPLEX.

AS THEY MAKE THESE REPAIRS, YOU WILL NOT LOSE SERVICE TO ANY DEPARTMENT.

GREAT QUESTION. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A MIX OF THINGS NOW WHERE WE'VE ALREADY BEEN ABLE TO CREATE SOME REDUNDANT LOOPS.

WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THIS MAINTENANCE WITHOUT ANYBODY GOING DOWN.

BUT CERTAINLY THERE COULD BE SOME SCENARIOS WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE TO TAKE NETWORK CONNECTIVITY DOWN, AND I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I KNOW THAT WHEN I LOOKED AT THE PROPOSAL FROM OUR VENDOR, THEY DID SAY THAT THEY WERE ANTICIPATING DOING SOME AFTER HOURS WORK AS PART OF THIS TO HELP REDUCE THE IMPACT ON OUR DAILY WORK.

OUR POLICE STATION, IS THAT INVOLVED IN ANY OF THIS? WE DON'T HAVE ANY DIRECT PLANS RIGHT NOW [INAUDIBLE] WHAT THEY'RE DOING BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE REDUNDANT LOOPS THAT WE ALREADY MADE.

THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION POTENTIALLY ABOUT WITH SOME CONTINGENCY FUNDING IF WE FELT IT WORTHY TO MAYBE CREATE ANOTHER CONNECTION FROM THEM DIRECTLY TO THE ECC SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ADMIN.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL DISCUSS, BUT NOTHING WE'RE PLANNING RIGHT NOW SHOULD TAKE DOWN ANYBODY DURING THE DAY.

YEAH. OKAY, ANY MORE QUESTIONS? I'M GOOD. I'M GOOD.

IF NOT, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION? SO MOVED. SECOND.

THANK YOU. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

YOUNG. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT, WE HAVE MR. HALTOM RESOLUTION TO AWARD OF CONTRACT FOR ADDITIONAL SERVICES FOR THE TEMPLE AVENUE WATER STORAGE. YES, MA'AM.

THANK YOU AGAIN, MADAM CHAIR.

MEMBERS BOARD. AS YOU KNOW, W.W.

ASSOCIATES WAS AWARDED A CONTRACT JUST RECENTLY TO PROVIDE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES TO PROVIDE 2 MILLION GALLONS A DAY OF WATER TO THE BUSINESS PARK. PART OF THAT IS TO BUILD THIS PIPELINE AND THIS NEW PUMP STATION AND GROUND STORAGE TANK.

PROVIDED A FEW DIFFERENT MAPS ON THIS PRESENTATION THAT'S NOT IN YOUR IN YOUR HANDOUT.

JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A NUMBER ONE AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE'RE AT.

ON THIS MAP, YOU CAN SEE OVER AT TEMPLE AVENUE WHERE WE ORIGINALLY WERE GOING TO CONNECT AND STILL ARE, CONNECT TO TEMPLE AVENUE AND EXTEND IT TO ALMOST 8500 FEET ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY THAT WE RECENTLY PURCHASED, WHICH IS 25 ACRES WHERE THE PROPOSED TANK AND STATION IS GOING TO BE LOCATED.

SO AS YOU KNOW, THE COST HAS GONE UP BECAUSE OF THE LENGTH OF THIS PIPELINE, WHICH IS ORIGINALLY GOING TO BE LOCATED MUCH CLOSER TO TEMPLE AVENUE.

SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT APART FROM THIS DISCUSSION, BUT I WANT TO AT LEAST GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE.

THE PLANS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED.

WE'RE AT 35% SUBMITTAL AND BASED ON THAT PLAN REVIEW IS WHERE WE NOTICE WHERE THIS ISSUE HAS OCCURRED, WHERE WE HAVE SO MANY CONSTRAINTS WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY NEAR TEMPLE AVENUE, ALONG RIVER ROAD, BUT JUST TO KIND OF FOLLOW UP A LITTLE BIT MORE HERE, THIS THIS MAP WAS IN YOUR YOUR YOUR PACKET.

I KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED THE LINES HERE SO YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEARLY AND PROVIDE A LITTLE LEGEND WHAT EACH COLOR OF THOSE LINES ARE.

AS YOU CAN SEE ALONG RIVER ROAD, YOU HAVE THE GAS LINE, THE EXISTING WATER LINE, A POWER LINE ALL WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD THAT WE NEED TO BE IN. ALSO, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE RAILROAD IS THAT WE WILL HAVE TO GET UNDER AND DEAL WITH THE RAILROAD TO BE ABLE TO GET EASEMENTS FROM AS WELL.

FURTHER UP TO THE RIGHT OF YOUR PAGE, YOU CAN SEE A GREEN LINE.

THE FENCE LINE THAT IDENTIFIES A PROPERTY FOR FORT LEE.

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DEALING WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO GET AN EASEMENT COULD BE VERY CHALLENGING.

I DO WANT YOU TO ALSO REALIZE THAT THIS IS NOT JUST A SINGLE PIPELINE.

THAT'S WHY YOU SEE TWO DASHED LINES UP THERE.

THIS IS A DUAL LINE THAT HAS TO GO IN LINE COMING FROM THE EXISTING WATER SOURCE TO FEED THE TANK, AND THEN ANOTHER LINE COMING FROM THE PUMPING STATION, PULLING FROM THAT TANK AND BACK INTO OUR SYSTEM.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE SUCH A LONG TWO LINES THERE.

ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER, YOU CAN SEE A DETAIL OF WHAT THAT EXCAVATION MAY LOOK LIKE.

IT'S TWO 24-INCH LINES SIDE BY SIDE.

CURRENTLY, THIS SHOWS ABOUT 24 INCH SEPARATION.

WE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT GREATER SEPARATION.

IN THAT CASE. WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND WORK ON THIS.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HIT TWO LINES INSTEAD OF WORKING ON WORKING ON ONE, BUT YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO SEE THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A MINIMUM OF THREE AND A HALF FOOT DEEP TO THE TOP OF THE PIPE.

YOU HAVE A TWO AND A HALF FOOT WITH THE PIPE AND CONSIDERING THE OUTSIDE WIDTH, YOU'RE GOING TO BE 6 TO 6 AND A HALF FEET IN THE GROUND, ONCE YOU CONSIDER THE PIPE [INAUDIBLE] AS WELL. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE A LARGE TRENCH.

IT SHOWS THERE RIGHT NOW IT'S AN EIGHT FOOT TRENCH IS LIKELY GOING TO BE A NINE FOOT TO TEN FOOT TRENCH ONCE CONSIDERED A SAFETY FACTOR'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO START LEVELING, SPREADING IT OUT A LITTLE BIT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ROOM TO DO THE WORK, GET IN AND PROVIDE PEOPLE SAFE ACCESS IN AND OUT.

SO BASED ON WHERE WE'RE AT, WE ARE GOING TO BE SUGGESTING THAT WE ACTUALLY REROUTE THIS LINE, BUT BEFORE I GET TO THAT, ALSO JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU WHERE THIS PUMP STATION AND TANK ARE GOING TO BE LOCATED.

THIS IS ACTUALLY ON THE PROPERTY THAT WE JUST PURCHASED.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THE TANK IS THE CIRCLE TO THE LEFT OF YOUR PAGE IS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY FROM THE BOOSTER STATION THAN NORMAL, BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE HIGH GROUND ON THAT PROPERTY TO TRY TO GET US THE BEST HYDRAULIC SCENARIO AS POSSIBLE.

THE HIGHER THE GROUND WE HAVE FOR THE WELL TANK, FOR THE TANK ITSELF, THE LESS REQUIREMENTS ON THE MOTORS WE MAY HAVE.

SO WE CAN NOT USE AS MUCH ELECTRICITY.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

JUST A QUICK PICTURE OF THAT INTERSECTION TAKEN RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE RAILROAD.

THIS IS RIGHT OFF OF GOOGLE MAPS IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT LATER, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE BACKGROUND THERE, BEYOND THE RAILROAD, YOU CAN SEE THE FENCE LINE KIND OF MATCHES THE TREE LINE THAT IS THAT FORT LEE PROPERTY.

SO FORT LEE IS BORDERED ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS ROAD.

THAT DOES END ON JUST A SMALL TRIANGULAR PIECE ON THIS LEFT SIDE, AND I'LL GET TO THAT IN JUST A SECOND, BUT YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE POWER LINE.

YOU CAN SEE ALL THE RAILROAD EQUIPMENT THAT'S THERE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO TRY TO AVOID.

SO THIS IS THE ALIGNMENT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH NOW, AND THERE ARE SOME POTENTIAL OTHER OPTIONS HERE THAT MAY SAVE SOME MONEY AND ANY SHORTER ROUTE YOU CAN SEE IN THIS CROSSHATCH AREA.

I MENTIONED THAT TRIANGULAR.

YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE FORT LEE PROPERTY IS EAST AND WEST OF RIVER ROAD AS WELL AS ON THE [INAUDIBLE] MY NORTH ARROW IS POINTING TO THE RIGHT.

IF YOU NOTICE, THAT PAGE IS NOT GOING UP NORTH AND SOUTH.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID THE FORT LEE PROPERTY AND WE ARE TALKING ALREADY TO THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR THIS PROPOSED ALIGNMENT, AND THEY HAVE ALREADY TALKED INTO THEIR BOARD AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN GET CONSENSUS TO AGREEMENT WITH THIS, AND OBVIOUSLY, WE WOULD NOT MOVE FORWARD UNTIL WE GET SOME TYPE OF CONSENSUS FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT THEY WOULD ALLOW THIS.

SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE TYING IN THE EXISTING WATER LINE CROSSES TEMPLE AVENUE AS YOU GO CLOSER TO COLONIAL HEIGHTS.

THAT'S NOT IDEAL.

HOWEVER, WHERE WE WOULD BE CONNECTING, THERE IS A BRIDGE THERE AND IT'S ALSO AN ABANDONED RAIL SPUR.

SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO JACK AND BORE UNDER A TEMPLE AVENUE.

IT'S ALMOST A DIRECT ACCESS, AND ONCE WE GET BEYOND TEMPLE AVENUE ON THE ON THIS SIDE OF THE PROJECT, IT'S A CLEAR RUN ALL THE WAY UP TO PUDDLE DOCK, AND THAT ACTUALLY FREES UP THE CONTRACTOR TO REALLY EXCAVATE OUT THERE QUITE EASILY, AVOID A LOT OF THE CONFLICTS WITH THE EXISTING UTILITIES, SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCES TRAFFIC CONTROL COSTS, WHICH IS I BELIEVE IT OR NOT, A VERY HIGH COST FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS AT A MAJOR INTERSECTION. SO THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY SAVE WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY CONNECTING, AS I MENTIONED, THAT'S AN ABANDONED RAILROAD SPUR.

THERE'S ALSO A BRIDGE RIGHT THERE AT WHERE THE FORT LEE PROPERTY ENDS.

THERE IS A POTENTIAL TO GAIN ACCESS TO THE WATER MAIN UNDER THAT AREA AS WELL.

SO IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THAT, GAINING THAT ACCESS, WE CAN SAVE THE MONEY OF HAVING TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO TIE IN TO WHERE THAT ABANDONED RAILROAD SPUR IS.

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JUST SO YOU ARE AWARE, THERE IS SOME SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ALONG THE WAY.

THERE ARE SOME EXISTING WELLS THAT WE MAY HAVE TO RELOCATE FOR EXISTING HOMES AND THERE ARE SOME EXISTING POWER POLES THAT WE HAVE TO AVOID AS WELL.

SO WE'LL BE GOING BACK AND FORTH ALONG THE POWER EASEMENTS TO AVOID THEM, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID AS MUCH IMPACT TO THE HOMES ALONG THAT WAY, ALONG THAT LINE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

I'M NOT GOING TO SAY HICCUPS AT THIS POINT BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T DEALT WITH IT, BUT PRIOR TO US PURCHASING THIS PROPERTY THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE RIGHT SPOT OR THE ONLY SPOT WAS ALL THESE. CONCERNED AREAS BROUGHT UP THEN.

DID YOU KNOW ABOUT THESE AHEAD OF TIME OR IS IT JUST COMING TO [INAUDIBLE] WELL, WE DIDN'T KNOW THE LOCATION OF THE WELLS UNTIL WE DID THE SURVEY.

SO, NO, I DID NOT GO THAT FAR INTO DEPTH WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT PROPERTY, BUT THOSE ARE, I SAY, NOT NEARLY AS SIGNIFICANT AS TRYING TO GET THE PROPERTY ITSELF.

YES, THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME SOME DISTURBANCES.

WE'VE GOT MAYBE TWO WELLS THAT WE MAY HAVE TO RELOCATE ON THE PROPERTIES, AND THAT ISN'T OBVIOUSLY AN EXPENSE THAT WE WEREN'T EXPECTING, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS AS WE MOVE ALONG, AND I MAY HAVE MISSED IT.

THOSE WELLS OF RESIDENTIAL OR? RESIDENTIAL, YES. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY HOMEOWNERS ARE LANDOWNERS THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY TALK TO ABOUT A UTILITY EASEMENT TO MAKE YOUR RUN SHORTER? WE ARE HOPING TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, AS YOU SEE ON THIS MAP RIGHT HERE THAT GET THAT BIG FARM AREA.

WE HAVE TALKED TO THEM IN THE PAST.

THAT PROPERTY HAS BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FAMILY, I BELIEVE IN DISPUTE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS AN AGENT TRYING TO MARKET IT, AND WE'VE I'VE TALKED TO THE AGENT TO TRY TO SEE IF WE CAN GAIN A SMALL PARCEL THERE TO PUT THIS TANK AND BOOSTER STATION.

SO THERE IS OPPORTUNITY, BUT WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD UNTIL THAT OPPORTUNITY PRESENTS ITSELF AS A REALITY.

IF YOU COULD OFFER THEM A FREE WATER HOOK UP IN LIEU OF RE DIGGING THE WELL FOR THEM.

THEY MAY BE, BUT ANYWAY, I'LL LET YOU GO AHEAD.

I'M SORRY TO RAMBLE [INAUDIBLE].

YES, SIR. THERE'S NO DOUBT THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE HOMEOWNER'S DESIRES THERE, BUT YES, WE COULD OFFER.

MY APOLOGIES. THAT'S FINE.

THANK YOU. SO THE OTHER PART OF THIS ADDITIONAL SERVICES REQUEST TO BE ABLE TO GET 2 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY TO THE BUSINESS PARK FROM THIS NEW TANK AND BOOSTER STATION, THE ENGINEERS DID A WATER MODEL TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE THESE FACILITIES COULD ACTUALLY DELIVER IT, AND RIGHT NOW, WHAT THEY HAVE FOUND THROUGH THAT MODEL IS THERE'S A CHOKING POINT THAT EXISTS BETWEEN JEFFERSON PARK AND 295 ALONG ALLEN ROAD AND COURTHOUSE ROAD. THERE'S A 16 INCH LINE THAT COMES ALL THE WAY DOWN JEFFERSON PARK TO THAT FIRST ROUNDABOUT RIGHT THERE AT FORT LEE, AND THEN FROM THERE IT COMES DOWN, REDUCES DOWN TO A 12 INCH AND COMES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE SECOND ROUNDABOUT WHERE THE WATERLINE SPLITS DOWN COURTHOUSE.

WELL, BOTH DIRECTIONS ON COURTHOUSE ONE TOWARDS 295, ONE TOWARDS 460, AND THAT CHOKING POINT DOES NOT ALLOW US TO GET THE FULL 2 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.

SO THEY'RE REQUESTING THAT WE ACTUALLY DO THE WORK NOW TO AT LEAST THE ENGINEERING WORK NOW TO GO OUT AND DESIGN THIS PIECE.

THIS DOES NOT HAVE TO BE CONSTRUCTED IMMEDIATELY, BUT IF WE HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE AS PART OF THE PROJECT, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD DO SO.

RIGHT NOW, WE'RE ONLY REQUESTING THE ADDITIONAL SERVICES FOR THE ENGINEERING.

THE QUESTIONS ON THAT PIECE.

THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT THE ENGINEERING GROUP WOULDN'T HAVE REALIZED WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT OUR CAPACITY NEEDS WERE. I'M SITTING HERE LISTENING, AND I'M REALLY A LITTLE TAKEN ABACK TO THINK WE'RE PAYING PEOPLE GOOD MONEY.

WE'RE TELLING THEM WHAT WE WANT, AND TO FIND OUT THAT WE HAVE A BOTTLENECK SOMEWHERE BECAUSE OF PIPE SIZE, THE SAME PIPE THAT WAS IN THE GROUND WHEN THEY TOLD US WE COULD DO THIS.

I MAY BE OVERSIMPLIFYING IT, BUT IT'S BAFFLING ME SENDING I APOLOGIZE FOR TALKING BECAUSE I'M JUST AS BAFFLED.

SO FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE CAPACITY ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE BEFORE, THAT CAPACITY ANALYSIS WAS TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH WATER WE HAD REMAINING

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THIS IS DEFINED ACTUALLY IN OUR MASTER PLAN, WHAT THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE TO GET TO 2 MILLION GALLONS TO THE BUSINESS PARK, AND THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THE ENTIRE WAY.

IN FACT, IT SUGGESTS INCREASING THE ENTIRE THING TO A 24 INCH LINE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BUSINESS PARK FROM WHATEVER WATER SOURCE WE'RE GOING TO USE.

SO THAT IS ACTUALLY IN THE MASTER PLAN THAT DEWBERRY DID.

THIS IS WW ASSOCIATES WHO IS LOOKING AT THE MODEL BASED ON CURRENT NEEDS THAT THEY SAY THAT WE CAN USE THE 16 INCH LINE THAT'S ALREADY THERE.

NOT HAVE TO DO IMPROVEMENTS ALL THE WAY DOWN.

SO THEY'RE JUST RECOMMENDING THESE IMPROVEMENTS HERE TO BE ABLE TO GET THE FULL 2 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY AT THE BUSINESS PARK.

SO THE MODEL WAS DONE CORRECTLY BEFORE THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE 24 INCH LINES ALL THE WAY FROM TEMPLE AVENUE DOWN.

THEY LOOKED AT THIS MODEL MORE PRECISELY WITH MORE INFORMATION AND THEN SAY THAT THIS IS THE ONLY BOTTLENECK THAT THEY REALLY EXIST, AND I THINK WHEN WE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS, THE PRIORITY WAS THE BUSINESS PARK BECAUSE WE'RE OUT OF WATER.

RIGHT. YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT.

I GUESS WE'RE I'M STILL CONFUSED AS THE 2 MILLION.

IF OUR GOAL WAS 2 MILLION GALLONS TO THE BUSINESS PARK PER DAY.

WE CAN'T ACHIEVE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO USE 16 VERSUS 24.

I GET THE PIPE SIZE DIFFERENT BECAUSE YOU CAN CARRY A HIGHER VOLUME OF WATER, BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE TO BELABOR THIS.

I'M JUST I'M GOING TO BE CONFUSED.

I WOULD LOVE TO TRY TO CLEAR THAT UP FOR YOU IF I CAN.

SO IF I COULD, I MEAN, I'D BE HAPPY TO BRING MORE INFORMATION BACK TO THE BOARD AT A LATER TIME TO KIND OF UPDATE YOU ON ON THE ACTUAL MODEL REQUIREMENTS, WHAT THE MODEL STATES, WHAT THE NEEDS ARE.

THERE ARE CERTAIN PROJECTS THAT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH.

WE'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE ENTIRE MASTER PLANNED EFFORT ALL AT ONE TIME.

BUT THE MASTER PLAN DOES IDENTIFY FUTURE PROJECTS IN THIS AREA AS WELL.

WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO AS WE MOVE FORWARD AS PART OF THE DESIGN IS REPLACE THIS WITH WHAT THE MASTER PLAN SAYS.

WE PROBABLY ONLY NEED A 16 INCH IN THIS AREA, BUT OUR MASTER PLAN RECOMMENDS 24.

SO WE WOULD PUT A 24 INCH IN HERE NOW TO MAKE SURE WE MEET ALL OF OUR FUTURE REQUIREMENTS, NOT JUST A 2 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY REQUIREMENT AT THE PARK.

IT'D MAKE BETTER SERVICE TO HAVE A REPORT EXPLAINING ALL THAT AT A LATER TIME AND GO AHEAD AND GET THIS.

YEAH, BECAUSE THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE 24, 16 DOESN'T AFFECT THIS REQUEST AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

SO IT JUST [INAUDIBLE] THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE I, TOO AM JUST LIKE YOU GENTLEMEN ARE A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED, BUT ALL THAT BEING SAID, MAYBE THAT'S THE TIME FOR A REPORT AT A LATER DATE, AND WE JUST ADDRESSED THIS RESOLUTION.

YEAH, BECAUSE FOR THIS I'M FINE WITH THIS RESOLUTION IN FRONT OF US.

NOTHING AGAINST YOUR PRESENTATION IS JUST THAT YOU DEAL WITH IT EVERY DAY.

WE HEAR IT ONCE A MONTH. I UNDERSTAND, AND [INAUDIBLE] WHEN WE APPROVE THINGS TO GO FORWARD AND WE START BUYING LAND WE START GIVING [INAUDIBLE] YOUR MONEY USE IT ANYWAY, MOST OF IT, BUT THE CUSTOMERS MONEY AND THE CUSTOMER MONEY.

BUT THEN. YEAH, YOU WOULD THINK ALL ANY HICCUPS OR ANY POTENTIAL HICCUPS THAT THEY MIGHT SEE WOULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT OUT AT THE BEGINNING, BUT ENOUGH OF THAT, LIKE MR. HUNTER SAID, DOESN'T AFFECT [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S IN FRONT OF US NOW.

SO WW ASSOCIATES HAS PROVIDED A FEE PROPOSAL TO DO THIS ADDITIONAL SERVICES TO INCLUDE A SURVEY OF THIS AREA AS WELL AS THE OFF SITE AREA OVER BY FORT LEE, AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED THAT PROPOSAL FOR 118,000 AND THAT ALLOW US TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN PROCESS AND EVENTUALLY GET THIS HOPEFULLY AWARDED FOR CONSTRUCTION SOON.

SO IF THE BOARD HAS NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I DO RECOMMEND THE AWARD OF $118,000 FOR ADDITIONAL SERVICES TO WW ASSOCIATES.

OKAY, MADAM CHAIR, THERE IS NO OTHER DISCUSSION.

I SO MOVE TO APPROVE THIS AWARD OR AUTHORIZE THE CHANGE ORDER FOR WW ASSOCIATES 418,000 [INAUDIBLE].

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

THANK YOU, MR. HALTOM.

NOW A(5) IS A RESOLUTION TO ADVERTISE AN ORDINANCE.

MR. WHITTEN YES, MADAM CHAIR.

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PREVIOUSLY, THE AMOUNT WAS 5000.

IT'S AN OPTIONAL ORDINANCE, SO IT'S AN OPTION OF THE BOARD IF YOU WANT TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT TO 10,000 WHERE THE TREASURER WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME TO THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL.

THE TREASURER IS IN FAVOR OF THIS.

THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE IS ALSO IN FAVOR OF THIS.

THE ORDINANCE IS ATTACHED AND YOU'RE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.

THE PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE ON OCTOBER 25TH.

IF THE MOTION DOES PASS TONIGHT.

THE ORDINANCE WOULD GO INTO EFFECT IMMEDIATELY ON OCTOBER 25TH, AS PASSED AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

SO MANY TIMES THAT THE TREASURERS CAME UP AND ASKED FOR THE 5000.

I DON'T THINK THIS IS AN ISSUE.

RIGHT. THAT AMOUNT WENT UP IN 2020, BEFORE THAT IT WAS 2500.

SO IT MAY HAVE BEEN MORE COMMON WHEN THE AMOUNT WAS ONLY 2500, BUT IN TWO YEARS AGO WE DID INCREASE IT TO 5000.

THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE ORDINANCE WE DID TWO YEARS AGO.

THIS IS AUTHORIZING A PUBLIC [INAUDIBLE].

I MAKE A MOTION WE ACCEPT A RESOLUTION FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 25TH OF OCTOBER TO HEAR THIS ORDINANCE.

SO MOVE.

SECOND. THANK YOU.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

CONCLUDES ALL OF OUR BUSINESS.

UNLESS THERE'S OTHER BUSINESS THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT FORWARD.

HEARING NO OTHER BUSINESS, I ASK FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

SO MOVE, MADAM CHAIR.

SECOND.

SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.