[CALL TO ORDER]
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THIS IS JANUARY THE 11TH, 2022.
AND I CALL THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY TO ORDER.
MS. KNOTT PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS A CLOSED SESSION DO I HAVE A MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.
[CLOSED SESSION]
YES, MA'AM, MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD GO INTO CLOSED SESSION UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION 2.2-3711 OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES.NUMBER ONE SECTION 2.2-3711.A.1 DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION OF THE ASSIGNMENT APPOINTMENT PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING OR RESIGNATION OF A SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICER, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEE OF THE PUBLIC BODY.
I FURTHER MOVE THAT SUCH DISCUSSION SHALL BE LIMITED TO AN EMPLOYEE IN THE GENERAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
AND NUMBER 2.2-3711.A.3 FOR DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION OF THE ACQUISITION OF REAL PROPERTY FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE OR OF THE DISPOSITION OF PUBLICLY HELD REAL PROPERTY, WHERE DISCUSSION IN AN OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE BARGAINING POSITION OR NEGOTIATING STRATEGY OF THE PUBLIC BODY.
SUCH DISCUSSION SHALL BE LIMITED TO PROPERTY LOCATED ON SOUTH CRATER ROAD.
WE WILL NOW ADJOURN TO A CLOSED SESSION.
MR. CARMICHAEL, AGAIN, IS ABSENT.
WE NEED THE BOARD HAS JUST RETURNED FROM A CLOSED SESSION.
I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR CERTIFICATION OF THE CLOSED SESSION.
MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD CERTIFIED AT BEST OF EACH BOARD MEMBERS KNOWLEDGE ONE ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETINGS REQUIREMENTS WAS DISCUSSED AND TWO ONLY MATTERS IDENTIFIED IN THE CONVENING MOTION WERE DISCUSSED.
IT HAS BEEN PROPOSED BY MR. WEBB AND SECONDED BY MR. BROWN.
WE NOW HAVE OUR WORK SESSION AND I WILL.
IS HE ON YET? I DON'T THINK HE WAS JOINING UNTIL SEVEN.
NOW WE ENTER INTO OUR WORK SESSION, AND I WILL TURN THAT OVER TO OUR INTERIM
[WORK SESSION]
ADMINISTRATOR, MR. JEFF STOKE.MEMBERS OF THE BOARD GOOD EVENING.
TONIGHT FIRST, THE WORK SESSION IS HOURS OF WORK PERSONNEL POLICY.
CORRIE HURT OUR HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR.
DAN, WILL YOU GET THAT LIGHT RIGHT THERE? GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD MR. STOKE MR. WHITTEN, I CAME TO YOU LAST ON NOVEMBER 23RD TO DISCUSS THIS POLICY AND WE'LL JUST KIND OF BREEZE BACK THROUGH IT.
BUT A RECAP FROM NOVEMBER THE 23RD IN THAT DISCUSSION, PART OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS REVISING TO STATE THAT EMPLOYEES CANNOT WORK REMOTELY OUTSIDE OF THE STATE OF VIRGINIA DUE TO STATE TO STATE PAYROLL TAXATION REQUIREMENTS.
SO THAT HAS BEEN REVISED SINCE THE LAST TIME WE'VE DISCUSSED IT.
IN ADDITION, DIRECTORS WERE POLLED ON THAT FOLLOWING INFORMATION, AND I DID SEND THAT BACK TO THE BOARD ON DECEMBER THE 2ND SO THAT YOU COULD SEE THE INFORMATION
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THAT WAS COMPILED FROM THEIR FEEDBACK.LANGUAGE WAS ADDED TO CLARIFY MEAL PERIODS, AND THIS IS IN SECTION 20.1 AND TWO JUST TO CLARIFY MEAL PERIODS, AT LEAST 30 MINUTES ARE NOT PAID AND THAT'S UNDER THE FLSA.
FLEXIBLE WORK SCHEDULE MAY BE CONSIDERED BY DIRECTORS MUST BE WITHIN A WORK WEEK, SUNDAY, TO SATURDAY FOR NONEXEMPT AND WITHIN A TIMESHEET PERIOD FOR EXEMPT EMPLOYEES.
THE NEW SECTION, REMOTE WORK IS WHAT WE HAD THE LENGTHY DISCUSSION ABOUT, THE ONLY THING THAT HAS CHANGED THERE AGAIN IS THAT REQUIREMENT FOR OUT OF STATE.
BUT BASICALLY, WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO IS TO ADD SOME TYPE OF A REMOTE WORK POLICY.
ONE THING THAT I WILL TELL YOU IS IN THE HEIGHT OF THE CLIMATE HERE OF COVID 19 AND THE NEW VIRUS.
WE'VE HAD ABOUT 45 CASES SINCE DECEMBER, AND THEY'RE RISING EVERY DAY.
WE'RE REPORTING FIVE OR SIX UP TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.
IT'S A FULL TIME JOB RIGHT NOW WITH ALL THAT'S GOING ON.
SO THIS WOULD JUST GIVE US ONE MORE LEVEL FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE HAVING TO ISOLATE THAT MAY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SOME WORK FROM HOME.
THIS WOULD GIVE THEM SOME ABILITY TO WORK FROM HOME.
A CONCERN OF MINE IS WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW EMPLOYEES HERE AND THEY'RE EXPOSED AT NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN, AND THAT REQUIRES THEM TO ISOLATE WITH NO LEAVE TIME ON THE BOOKS.
WE DON'T HAVE THE MANDATED FEDERAL LEAVE TO GIVE TO THESE EMPLOYEES, SO IT IS PUTTING THEM IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE ON LEAVE WITHOUT PAY AT NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN IN SOME CASES.
SO I DO JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THAT HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT SINCE WE'VE TALKED NOVEMBER THE 23RD.
BUT DOING THIS WOULD OFFER EMPLOYEES DELIVERING CUSTOMER SERVICE IN A FLEXIBLE MANNER, IT WOULD HELP IN RECRUITING AND RETAINING SOME OF THE BEST EMPLOYEES DUE TO FLEXIBILITY.
EMPLOYEES MUST BE EMPLOYED FOR AT LEAST SIX MONTHS JUST TO RECAP THAT.
REMOTE WORK IS NOT A RIGHT TO THE EMPLOYEE AND IT CAN BE DISCONTINUED AT ANY TIME.
THEY DO HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST A MEETS EXPECTATION, EVALUATION OR HIGHER.
AGAIN, THESE WERE THE ITEMS THAT WERE TO CONSIDER.
SOME POSITIONS ARE SUITABLE AND SOME ARE NOT GOING TO BE SUITABLE IN AN EFFORT TO WORK FROM HOME.
CAN THE EMPLOYEE WORK INDEPENDENTLY? DO THEY COLLABORATE WELL WITH OTHERS? IS THE WORK PORTABLE? CAN IT BE ACCESSED ELECTRONICALLY? WILL IT CAUSE ADVERSE EFFECTS ON CUSTOMER SERVICE? DOES THE POSITION REQUIRE UNSCHEDULED FACE TO FACE INTERACTION? WILL IT CAUSE AN INCREASED WORKLOAD ON OTHERS IN THE OFFICE? BECAUSE THAT IS A CONCERN OF SOME DIRECTORS.
WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN TO ADD MORE TO THE STAFF IN THE OFFICE.
CAN WE MEASURE THEIR PRODUCTIVITY WHILE THEY'RE WORKING REMOTELY? AND THEN AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO READ THEM ALL WE WENT THROUGH THESE BEFORE SOME OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF EVERYONE HAS A RESPONSIBILITY IN THIS.
GUIDELINES, NO MORE THAN TWO DAYS PER WEEK.
EMPLOYEES MUST BE AVAILABLE AND ACCESSIBLE.
THE TRAVEL BETWEEN REMOTE WORK LOCATION AND THE COUNTY IS COMMUTING TIME AND NOT COUNTED AS WORK.
I'M JUST LOOKING FOR THE HIGHLIGHTS HERE FOR YOU.
ALL WORK DONE REMOTELY IS CONSIDERED OFFICIAL COUNTY BUSINESS, THAT'S A BIG DEAL AND IT IS SUBJECT TO FOIA.
I DID SHARE THAT WITH THE BOARD, SOME OF WHAT WE PUT TOGETHER IN DRAFT FORM RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SIGNED OFF ON BY THE EMPLOYEES IF WE NEEDED TO ADD MORE, WE CERTAINLY CAN.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS I THINK I NEED TO STATE IS THAT WE ARE FULLY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THIS DOESN'T WORK OR IT NEEDS TO BE REVISED AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE REVISIONS AND WE WOULD COME BACK TO YOU AND TELL YOU WHAT NEEDS TO BE REVISED.
I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS.
THEY WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE US DO THIS.
I THINK IT'S NECESSARY THAT WE PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE, EVEN IF RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT THE TWO DAYS PER WEEK.
YOU KNOW, EVERY MY BIGGEST CONCERN AGAIN, IS THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE HAVING TO TAKE EXTENDED TIME OFF BECAUSE THEY'RE HAVING TO ISOLATE.
THERE ARE 17 IDENTIFIED DEPARTMENTS WHO HAVE ALLOWED TELEWORK IN SOME FORMAT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY.
SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW IT, WE HAVE TO PUT A POLICY BEHIND WHAT WE'RE ALREADY ALLOWING TO BE DONE.
AGAIN, I HAVE NO NEED TO GO BACK THROUGH THIS AGAIN UNLESS YOU NEED ME TO.
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SINCE WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT.ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THE AGREEMENT HAS TO BE APPROVED IN ADVANCE.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT WHEN WE WORKED ON THIS POLICY, WE WORKED WITH CHESTERFIELD COUNTY.
THEY HAVE A VERY ROBUST POLICY IN PLACE ON TELEWORKING AND THEY PARTNERED WITH US A LOT ON ON SHARING POLICY WITH US.
SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S BEEN VETTED, WE HAD A COMMITTEE TOGETHER WHO LOOKED AT THIS.
I JUST REITERATE THAT 17 DEPARTMENTS HAVE ALLOWED THIS TELEWORK IN THE PAST.
WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD A POLICY TO SUPPORT IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT I GAVE TO THE BOARD.
I WOULD ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS ON THIS POLICY OR ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO SEE US DO BECAUSE OUR NEXT STEPS AT THIS POINT WOULD BE CONSIDERING ANY REVISIONS THAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE TO THE POLICY, WE CAN COMPLETELY NIX IT IF YOU ABSOLUTELY ARE NOT IN FAVOR.
AND LASTLY, IF THERE ARE NO CHANGES AND WE'RE HAPPY WITH THE WAY IT IS TO GIVE IT AT LEAST A TRY, KNOWING THAT WE CAN COME BACK WITH REVISIONS IF IT'S JUST NOT WORKING THE WAY WE THOUGHT THE POLICY COULD BE ADDED TO TONIGHT'S AGENDA FOR ADOPTION.
IF THERE ARE ISSUES IDENTIFIED, WE'D BRING THEM BACK OR WE CAN ENTERTAIN BRINGING IT BACK TO A FUTURE MEETING IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.
WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD, MADAM CHAIR? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MRS. HURT.
I WOULD ASSUME THAT I KNOW THAT THE GUIDELINE WAS NO MORE THAN TWO DAYS A WEEK UNLESS AN EMERGENCY.
I WOULD HOPE THAT, LIKE COVID WOULD FALL INTO THAT QUOTE EMERGENCY CATEGORY BECAUSE IF SOMEONE HAS TO QUARANTINE NINE TIMES OUT OF 10, THEY'RE GOING TO BE HOME MORE THAN TWO DAYS THAT WEEK.
OH, YOU'RE 100 PERCENT ACCURATE, AND IT'S AT THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR'S DISCRETION.
I THINK ALL DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS HERE GIVE THE COURTESY TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OR MR. STOKE, IN THIS CASE, THE INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, TO LET HIM KNOW THIS IS OUR POSITION AND WHY WE'RE REQUESTING TO DO THIS.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE USED OR ABUSED, BUT WE CERTAINLY CURRENTLY HAVE A DEPARTMENT WHO IS VERY SHORT STAFFED.
AND SO WITH MULTIPLE PEOPLE OUT IN A DEPARTMENT DUE TO COVID EXPOSURES, THESE PEOPLE ARE FULLY FUNCTIONAL AT HOME.
BUT WITHOUT THIS POLICY, WE'RE SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR POSSIBLE LIABILITY IF WE DON'T PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE TO DICTATE HOW THEY SHOULD WORK FROM HOME.
I'VE STATED BEFORE, I'VE GOT SOME CONCERNS WITH THIS, ESPECIALLY THE SIX MONTHS THAT YOU MENTIONED.
I UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU CAN'T WORK SIX MONTHS, IT'S UNFORTUNATE.
HOWEVER, THE RUB IS YOU CAN'T CONTROL OR DICTATE WHAT PEOPLE DO WHEN THEY LEAVE THE PREMISES.
AND THERE'S SOME OWNERSHIP THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN ON THAT.
JUST LIKE GOING AROUND A FAMILY MEMBER THAT'S SICK AND ALL NORMALLY GOING OUT HERE IN A CROWD.
IT'S A NICE THING TO THINK ABOUT, I UNDERSTAND YOU PUTTING IT IN THERE TO LOOK OUT AFTER IT, BUT YOU'VE GOT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES IN PLACE WHEN YOU'RE IN THIS BUILDING.
BUT YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER ANYBODY ONCE THEY LEAVE THAT DOOR OR WHO THEY ASSOCIATE WITH WHAT GATHERINGS THEY MAY GO TO, OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, AND THEY TAKE A CHANCE ON BRINGING IT BACK.
THAT'S THE WORLD WE'RE LIVING IN, AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE OUT OF IT ANYTIME SOON.
SO THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH IT.
WELL, THESE GET IN PLACE AND IT CAN BE CHANGED WITH FAIRLY EASILY TO GET A CHANGE TO IT.
SO IF WE HAVE IT IN PLACE TO PROTECT US.
YOU CAN MAKE CHANGES AS SUGGESTED TO MS. HURT, AND SHE'LL BRING THEM BACK BEFORE US.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY REASON FOR SUGGESTING THAT WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT AS A TO.
IF WE DON'T LIKE THE POLICY, THEN WE CAN CHANGE IT.
CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? YES, SIR.
SO FROM A POSITION OF BEING CONSISTENT AND STANDARDIZED, SO TO SPEAK, EACH DIRECTOR HAS THE AUTHORITY.
SO IF I JUST HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, THEN THAT MEANS THE INTERIM ADMINISTRATOR IS GOING TO BE THE GATEKEEPER.
HE WILL BE THE GATEKEEPER, BUT IT IS AT THE DISCRETION OF THE DIRECTORS AS TO THEIR EMPLOYEES TELEWORKING.
STOKE AS THE INTERIM IS THAT, YOU KNOW, HE CAN CERTAINLY RELAY TO
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DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS THAT HE'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, YOU KNOW, IF HE HAS AN ISSUE WITH IT, WHICH I WILL SAY HE'S NOT THE BIGGEST FAN OF IT.BUT CERTAINLY RIGHT NOW WE DO UNDERSTAND THERE IS A NEED FOR IT.
I THINK IF THERE ARE AND I'VE STATED THIS BEFORE AND I WILL CONTINUE TO SAY IT, IF YOU HAVE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE NOT WORKING, IF I'VE EMAILED AN EMPLOYEE WHO'S WORKING FROM HOME AND FOUR HOURS LATER, THEY'VE NOT RESPONDED TO ME, THEY'RE CLEARLY NOT WORKING.
AND I'VE GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
SO WE'VE GOT TO DISCIPLINE ACCORDINGLY IF THEY'RE NOT DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
WELL, I'LL GO ON RECORD SAYING THIS.
YOU START IF YOU DON'T KEEP SOMEWHAT A CONSISTENT, MANAGEABLE PRACTICE IN PLACE FOR HOW THESE ARE BEING DECIDED YOU COULD WIND UP WITH SOMEBODY FILING DISCRIMINATION BECAUSE YOU ALLOWED SOMETHING TO HAPPEN, YOUR DEPARTMENT AND MR. STOKES IS DENYING ME MINE.
I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY YOU'RE SAYING BY POSITION, BY POSITION, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS OUT OF THE GATE.
IF THE POLICY IS APPROVED, WE HAVE TO GET WITH OUR STAFF AND HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT WHO'S GOING TO BE ELIGIBLE AND WHO'S NOT.
IT IS CONTINGENT UPON IF THERE IS THE IT EQUIPMENT FOR THEM TO WORK FROM HOME AND THE ABILITY TO WORK FROM HOME.
IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT A POSITION, IT'S ABOUT EQUIPMENT.
WHAT DO WE HAVE BECAUSE WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO PUT A STRAIN ON FINANCIALLY, ON THE RESOURCES OF THE COUNTY TO PURCHASE NEW EQUIPMENT.
SO JUST SO THAT SOMEBODY CAN WORK FROM HOME.
BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS IN THE SURROUNDING LOCALITIES.
BUT I ALSO READ THE FEEDBACK FROM WITHIN THIS ADMINISTRATION.
MADAM CHAIR, I PERSONALLY WOULD SUPPORT THIS GOING ON THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.
I MEAN, I'M IN THAT WORLD TODAY.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN IDEAL POLICY.
IT NEEDS TO BE MANAGED PROPERLY.
YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE DEPARTMENT ALLOWING FULL BLOWN AND ANOTHER DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, PICKING AND CHOOSING WHO CAN AND WHO CAN'T.
THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME LEVEL OF CONSISTENCY, BUT I THINK BECAUSE OF THE STATE OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITH COVID, I THINK ALSO WITH HAVING NEW EMPLOYEES WHO MAY NOT HAVE ANY LEAVE TIME RIGHT NOW GIVING THEM THAT OPTION IF THEY CAN, AND IF EVERYTHING ELSE FITS TO BE ABLE TO WORK FROM HOME AND DO SOMETHING.
SO I PERSONALLY WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF ADDING THIS AS ITEM A 10 TO OUR AGENDA.
CAN YOU MAKE THAT AS A MOTION.
THE SIX MONTH YOU HAVE TO BE AN EMPLOYEE OF THE COUNTY OR IN A DEPARTMENT BEFORE YOU CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS POLICY.
YOU HAVE TO BE AN EMPLOYEE OF THE COUNTY FOR SIX MONTHS.
AND A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT IS WE HAVE A PART TIME TEMPORARY PERSON WORKING IN THE GARAGE WHO HAD A POSITIVE COVID TEST, AND WE ALLOWED THE EMPLOYEE TO DO SOME ADMINISTRATIVE WORK FROM HOME IN A PART TIME ROLE.
THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT.
THEY WERE ABLE TO KEEP FUNCTION.
SO IT WAS ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO GET THINGS DONE.
I WOULD HOPE, THOUGH, IN A CASE LIKE THAT, MR. HUNTER, THAT IF WE HAD A SIX MONTH POLICY, IF SOMETHING LIKE COVID HIT THEM, I MEAN, NOBODY CHOOSES WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO GET THIS.
[LAUGHTER] I THINK THE QUESTION REALLY COMES DOWN MORE TO IS THAT INDIVIDUAL ABLE TO PERFORM DUTIES AT HOME AND GET THEM DONE WITH VERY LITTLE SUPERVISION AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ABUSE THE SITUATION.
SO I GET THE GUIDELINES OF HAVING A SIX MONTH POLICY IN THERE.
BUT SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF COVID.
I MIGHT PUSH A LITTLE HARDER ON TO SAY STICK TO THE SIX MONTHS, BUT NOBODY'S CHOOSING WHEN TO GET THIS PARTICULAR VARIANT.
SO I JUST THINK WE KIND OF HAVE TO.
I THINK YOU SAID THERE'S SOME.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY IN IT FROM THE DIRECTOR'S POINT OF VIEW, BUT I DO THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA THAT THEY AT LEAST SHOULD BE DISCUSSING THAT AND KEEPING OUR INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR INFORMED OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
HE NEEDS TO KNOW OVERALL WHAT'S HAPPENING.
AND THAT WOULD SUPPORT MR. BROWN'S SUGGESTION IS THAT JUST A CONSENSUS MR. WHITTEN OR DO WE NEED IT.
WE CAN ADD IN AT THE SEVEN O'CLOCK MEETING TO THE AGENDA.
OK? AND SO I WILL SAY, IF WE ADD THIS TO THE SEVEN O'CLOCK AGENDA AND YOU ALL FEEL INCLINED TO ADD SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR NEEDS TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CERTAINLY SAY YES TO THE POLICY WITH THAT PROVISION BEING ADDED IN THERE SO WE CAN ADD LANGUAGE AND MOVE FORWARD.
IN ALL HONESTY, HE SHOULD ALREADY HAVE THAT AUTHORITY TO REQUEST THAT.
BUT IT'S TO BE CLEAR IN POLICY THAT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR NEEDS TO KNOW
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IF THIS IS HAPPENING.IT'S NOT CLEAR RIGHT NOW IN THE POLICY.
OK IT NEEDS TO BE ADDED IN THE POLICY.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADD THIS? I'M GOING TO DO IT.
HE SAID WE DIDN'T NEED TO HAVE A MOTION.
WE CAN DO IT AT THE 7:00 MEETING AT THE TIME WHEN WE ADOPT THE AGENDA.
MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. WHITTEN, NEXT ON THE WORK SESSION IS THE CONVENIENT CENTER SITE LOCATION PROCESS TIM GRAVES FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD MR. STOKE AND MR. WHITTEN.
IT IS A DISCUSSION OF SITE SELECTION FOR A CONVENIENCE CENTER AND I'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH MR. STOKE AND MR. SIMMONS.
AND JUST A QUICK REVIEW OF THE BACKGROUND, IN 2018, THE BOARD RECEIVED THE CITIZEN REQUESTS FOR GARBAGE RECYCLE DROP OFF LOCATION THAT WOULD BE CLOSER TO DISTRICT TWO RESIDENTS.
AND OVER THE FOLLOWING MONTHS, THE COUNTY REVIEWED POTENTIAL COUNTY OWNED SITES AND HAS DISCUSSED THE DETAILS SURROUNDING CREATING A NEW, CONVENIENT CENTER SITE.
AND THEN AS OF TODAY, WE HAVE STAFF, HAS THREE COUNTY OWNED SITES THAT WE RECOMMEND, AND WE'RE HERE TO LOOK AT THOSE TODAY.
OH, JUST LOOKING BACK AGAIN, YOUR EXISTING FACILITIES IN THE COUNTY, A UNION BRANCH IS THE MAIN FACILITY OPEN ALL THROUGHOUT THE WEEK.
YOU HAVE THE BURROWSVILLE SATURDAY ONLY FACILITY AND THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT COMPLEX HANDLES RECYCLING THROUGHOUT THE WEEK.
THIS IS A LOOK AT THE SERVICE AREAS OF THOSE LOCATIONS, THE RED AREA IS A 15 MINUTE DRIVE RADIUS TO THE BURROWSVILLE SATURDAY ONLY WASTE DROP OFF SITE AND THE BLUE AREA IS A 15 MINUTE DRIVE RADIUS FOR THE BURROWSVILLE CONVENIENCE CENTER, WHICH IS THE BLUE TRIANGLE.
AND THEN THE GREEN PENTAGON IS THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT COMPLEX RECYCLING SITE.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT POPULATION DENSITY, SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THOSE TWO 15 MINUTE DRIVE RADIUS ALMOST INTERSECT.
THIS IS THE LAYOUT OF THE UNION BRANCH SITE.
AND THIS IS SOME EXAMPLE, CONVENIENT CENTER SITE LAYOUTS AND OTHER COUNTIES IN VIRGINIA.
THE CRITERIA FOR SELECTING THESE SITES WAS COUNTY OWNED LAND INSIDE OR VERY NEAR DISTRICT TWO.
APPROXIMATELY ONE ACRE OR MORE IN SIZE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES.
AND THAT BASICALLY MEANS ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THERE WOULD BE NOT TO CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL EXISTING RESIDENTIAL.
YOU NEED ACCESS TO A VDOT MAINTAINED ROADWAY AND FLAT LAND AND COMPATIBLE WITH ANY COUNTY PLANS FOR THAT COUNTY OWNED LAND.
THE FIRST SITE THAT WE HAVE IS THE WHAT WE CALL THE SCOTT PARK FUTURE PARKING LOT SITE.
AND IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A PARKING LOT ON THE SCOTT PARK MASTERPLAN.
I'LL SHOW YOU THAT ON THE NEXT SLIDE, BUT YOU CAN SEE APPROXIMATELY ONE ACRE SQUARE THERE.
AND THE RED IS ALSO AN EXAMPLE ENTRANCE ROAD, AND YOU CAN SEE THIS WOULD BE OPPOSITE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE COURTHOUSE ROAD.
THIS IS THE EAST OF THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT COMPLEX.
I'M GOING TO SHOW A MAP LATER WITH THE SITES, BUT THIS WOULD BE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD FROM ANOTHER POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SITE PRIVATELY OWNED LAND ENTIRELY.
SOME ADVANTAGES OF THIS WOULD BE IT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PREPARE LAND FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT COUNTY OWNED PROPERTY FOR SCOTT PARK OR SOME OTHER COUNTY USE.
AND DISADVANTAGE COULD BE THAT YOU MAY NEED TO MOVE THAT SITE AGAIN IF THERE'S SOME OTHER COUNTY PLANS TAKE PRECEDENT OVER THIS.
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THIS IS THAT SAME SITE SHOWN OVERLAID ON THE SCOTT PARK MASTER PLAN.YOU CAN SEE THAT PARTICULAR AREA WAS IDENTIFIED AS THE LOCATION FOR A PARKING LOT FOR THE SCHOOL THAT WAS ON THAT PLAN.
THAT SCHOOL, OF COURSE, IS BEING CONSTRUCTED ON MIDDLE ROAD.
SO THOSE PLANS WOULD CHANGE IN THE FUTURE.
BUT WE LOOKED AT THIS AS A GOOD OPTION AS IN THAT AGAIN, THAT LAND COULD BE CONTINUE AS A CONVENIENT CENTER, OR IT COULD BE REPURPOSED IF NEEDED FOR FUTURE PLANS OF THE COUNTY.
OPTIONS 2A AND 2B WE CALL IT THAT BECAUSE IT'S ON THE SAME TRACT OF LAND, IT'S THE YANCEY TRACT.
AND THIS PROPERTY IS CLOSE TO VERY CLOSE TO DISTRICT TWO, IT'S NOT WITHIN SUPERVISOR DISTRICT TWO.
AND YOU SEE, WE'VE IDENTIFIED TWO PADS THERE.
THE NORTHWEST IS OR THE TOP OF THIS IMAGE IS IN YELLOW IS ONE SITE AND IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE IN RED IDENTIFIED WHERE THERE'S AN EXISTING AREA THAT'S ALREADY CLEARED.
YOUR ADVANTAGE IS BEING THIS IS CLOSE TO DISTRICT TWO, AND ONE OF THESE PADS IS PARTIALLY CLEARED ALREADY.
SO WE'LL CUT DOWN ON THE DEVELOPMENT COSTS IN THAT EXTENT, BUT DISADVANTAGES IN THAT THE ORIGINAL GOAL WAS TO HAVE SOMETHING IN DISTRICT TWO, IT'S NOT QUITE IN DISTRICT TWO.
THE STAFF IS PRESENTING JUST FOR CONSIDERATION WOULD BE IF THOSE SITES ARE NOT DESIRABLE, THEN YOU COULD CONSIDER LOOKING FOR PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTY WITHIN THIS RECOMMENDED AREA, WHICH IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF THOSE DRIVE RADIUSES WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.
SO THOSE WOULD OFFER ADDITIONAL OPTIONS, BUT THE DISADVANTAGES WOULD BE THE COST IN YOUR TIME TO ACQUIRE PRIVATE LAND.
HERE'S THAT COUNTY MAP AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE PURPLE OVAL IS THAT PRIVATE RECOMMENDED AREA IF YOU WANT TO LOOK FOR PRIVATE LAND.
AND THE SCOTT PARK FUTURE PARKING LOT VERY CLOSE TO THE GOVERNMENT COMPLEX AND THE IN RED THERE, THE RED ARROW AND THEN THE GREEN ARROW IS POINTING AT THE YANCEY TRACT, WHICH ON THIS SLIDE YOU CAN SEE THE GREEN DOT IS THE YANCEY TRACT IS JUST OUTSIDE OF DISTRICT TWO, AND YOU SEE THE RED DOT IS SCOTT PARK FUTURE PARKING LOT SITE INSIDE OF DISTRICT TWO.
AND THEN THAT PRIVATELY OWNED LAND AREA.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ANY OF THESE COUNTY OWNED SITES AND IS ASKING FOR GUIDANCE AT THIS TIME.
AND, YOU KNOW, DOES THE BOARD FAVOR ONE OF THESE OR SOME OF THESE? OR CAN YOU ELIMINATE ANY? SO THAT'S THE KIND OF GUIDANCE WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
AND IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THOSE THEN WE CAN COME BACK WITH ANY INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED ON THOSE.
OF COURSE, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE OR LEAVE IT UP TO YOU TO DISCUSS .
WHEN YOU REFER TO DISTRICT TWO, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT CITIZENS HAVE BEEN WANTING THIS LONG BEFORE 2018, BUT BE THAT AS IT MAY.
IT WAS ABOUT THE RADIUS AND THE DRIVE TIME FOR A CONVENIENCE TO THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF PEOPLE UNDERSTANDING NOT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO FIT IN THAT CIRCLE.
SO THE WAY PRINCE GEORGE IS CARVED OUT, THERE ARE SOME AREAS THERE IN DISTRICT ONE THAT ARE CARVED OUT UP INTO DISTRICT TWO.
SO WHEN YOU SAY DISTRICT TWO VERSUS DISTRICT ONE, I'M NOT I'M NOT HELL BENT ON SAYING IT'S GOT TO BE IN DISTRICT TWO LINES.
IT NEEDS TO BE WHERE THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE BENEFIT OF IT FOR A LEAST AMOUNT OF DRIVING TIME.
THAT WAS MY THOUGHT, AND IT HAS BEEN ALL ALONG.
I'M JUST MAKING THAT STATEMENT.
MR. BROWN, I THOUGHT THAT WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE SITE THERE ON THE YANCEY TRACT, AND I THINK IT WAS THAT YELLOW BOX WHICH WAS UP NEAR THE BLACKWATER SWAMP, RIGHT? OR CLOSE TO IT.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS DISTRICT TWO.
WHEN YOU ARE GOING UP 156 ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AND YOU CROSS OVER WEST QUAKER ROAD.
ISN'T THAT DISTRICT TWO ALL THE WAY UP THERE ACROSS FROM WHERE THE TRAILER PARK IS.
IT'S NOT QUITE TO THE TRAILER PARK YET? RIGHT? POLL RUN IS [INAUDIBLE].
YEAH, A NEW POLL RUN WHEN YOU GO DOWN THERE.
ON ONE SIDE OF POLL RUN WAS DISTRICT ONE, AND THE OTHER SIDE WAS DISTRICT TWO.
BUT JUST FOR CLARIFY, MR. BROWN.
THE DISTRICT ONE AN TWO TO ME, IS.
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IRRELEVANT.I THINK AT THE TIME, MRS. WAYMACK WHEN YOU BROUGHT IT TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION.
THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE I THOUGHT THAT HAD COME TO YOU THAT WERE FURTHER UP 156 GOING TOWARDS THE HOPEWELL AREA.
AND SO IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT WHERE THAT REQUEST CAME FROM, THEN TO ME, YANCEY TRACK WOULD HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING IDEAL, BUT THAT STILL WOULD HAVE BEEN WITHIN A DECENT RADIUS.
I DON'T THINK WHEREVER WE PUT ONE, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE END ALL.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO END UP AT LEAST DOING ANOTHER ONE CLOSER OUT TOWARDS THE ROUTE 10 BURNSVILLE AREA SOMEWHERE FURTHER UP FROM THAT.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO EVENTUALLY HAVE TO GET ANOTHER ONE OUT THAT WAY BECAUSE OF THE RADIUS OF THE HOUSES AND STUFF OUT THERE.
BUT I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, PERSONALLY, I'M STILL LEANING TOWARDS THAT SITE THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT ON THE EMPTY TRACK.
TO BE HONEST, I DON'T THINK I'M REALLY FEELING IT YET TO SAY SCOTT PARK.
I JUST THINK THERE'S SO MANY UNKNOWNS OF WHAT WE WANT TO REALLY DO WITH THAT PROPERTY.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE US PUT SOMETHING THERE.
AND THEN A FEW YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WE'RE NOW MOVING IT BECAUSE NOW WE'VE DECIDED, WE HAVE TO THINK FURTHER THAN THAT.
MR. HUNTER, I WAS GOING TO SAY WHAT MR. BROWN JUST FINISHED SAYING ABOUT THE SCOTT PARK LOCATION.
NOT A BAD IDEA, BUT NOT A VERY FUTURISTIC LOOKING IDEA.
I THINK THE IDEA IS SIT DOWN AT THE YANCEY.
EITHER ONE OF THOSE PROBABLY AREN'T BAD.
I DON'T SEE US PURCHASING LAND, TOO, THOUGH.
I THINK ONE OF THE YANCEY TRACKS WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST FIT FOR THIS POINT IN TIME, AND I'M SURE THAT THE PEOPLE IN, YOU KNOW, JORDAN ON THE JAMES AND PLACES LIKE THAT ARE GOING TO SAY THAT'S STILL QUITE A HIKE FOR THEM.
AND WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO LOOK AT SOMETHING FOR BEACH WOOD AND JORDAN ON THE JAMES AND RIVER'S EDGE SOMETIME DOWN THE ROAD, BUT AT THIS POINT, I THINK THIS IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
MADAM CHAIR, WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT, YANCEY TRACKS ACTUALLY THE ONE THAT WAS IN YELLOW.
I LOOKED AT THAT BETTER BECAUSE THAT ENTRANCE AND EXIT WOULD BE OFF OF 156.
I THINK THE OTHER ONE, THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT WOULD BE OFF OF EAST QUAKER, WHICH IS A MUCH IT'S A VERY NARROW ROAD ALREADY.
SO TO BE ADDING THAT TRAFFIC ON AND OFF OF EAST QUAKER, I THINK ADDS ANOTHER ISSUE.
SO BETWEEN THOSE TWO SITES, I'M THINKING THAT YELLOW BOX THAT WAS FURTHER UP ON THE RIGHT ON 156 WAS BETTER BECAUSE OF THE ACCESS ON AND OFF OF 156.
WHEN I LOOK AT THAT, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S STILL EARLY.
AND HAVING A LONG ENOUGH LEAD ROAD IN THERE.
THE TRAFFIC WOULD BACK UP ONTO 156.
WHAT'S THE BOARD'S PLEASURE? WE WANT TO DO ANYTHING ELSE WITH THIS? MADAM CHAIR, I'LL MAKE THIS STATEMENT NOW SOONER THAN LATER.
I'M GOING TO STAY IN ON THIS AND LEAVE IT TO THE BOARD FOR THE FOLLOWING REASON.
THE CURRENT CONTRACT WE HAVE, IF THAT SAME WHICH IS COMING UP FOR RENEWAL, IF THAT SAME COMPANY, IS GOING TO WIND UP MANAGING THIS SITE IF WE'RE NOT TAKING IT OVER OURSELVES.
THE CONFLICT BECAUSE OF A FAMILY MEMBER.
I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE US TO GIVE DIRECTION TONIGHT FOR THEM TO LOOK AT EITHER OF THE TWO SITES RIGHT THERE OFF OF THE YANCEY TRACK.
THE PREFERENCE I STILL FOR ME WOULD BE THAT SITE THAT'S IN THE YELLOW BOX.
I'M NOT LOOKING TO BUY ANY LAND.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE.
YOU AGREE WITH THAT, MR. YES, MA'AM, BY ALL MEANS.
AND IT'S AGREED THAT YOU WILL LOOK FURTHER INTO THE YANCEY SITE.
WE'LL COME BACK WITH MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THOSE TWO OPTIONS ON THAT SITE.
OUR NEXT ITEM IS BURNING OF BRUSH.
GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MADAM CHAIR, AND I THANK YOU FOR THE DIRECTION ON THE CONVENIENT CENTER SITE.
NOT ONLY WILL WE WOULD DIRECT PLANNING STAFF FOR GENERAL SERVICES STAFF TO LOOK AT THAT, BUT IT ALSO HELPS ME AND THE FINANCE TEAM LOOK AT FY 23 AND WHAT MONEY IS GOING TO BE NEEDED OR SET ASIDE TO DEVELOP THAT SITE DURING THAT FISCAL YEAR.
THE LAST ITEM FOR WORK SESSION IS BURNING OF BRUSH IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND
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MR. DAN WHITTEN IS GOING TO HANDLE THAT.YES, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MIC, SIR? I'M SORRY.
SO THAT THE PEOPLE ONLINE CAN HEAR YOU BETTER.
SO THIS QUESTION AROSE THROUGH CITIZEN CONCERNS, AND I STARTED LOOKING AT THE COUNTY CODE ABOUT THE BURNING OF BRUSH IN THE COUNTY AND WHAT WAS ALLOWED AND WHAT WASN'T ALLOWED.
SO OF COURSE, WE HAD TO HAVE A GENERIC PICTURE OF WHAT A BRUSH PILE COULD BE A FIRE PIT OR IT COULD BE SOMETHING BIGGER LIKE THAT.
IF WE LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF SOLID WASTE IN OUR COUNTY CODE, THE DEFINITION OF SOLID WASTE INCLUDES BRUSH.
SO BRUSH COULD BE, YOU KNOW, STICKS, LAMPS EVEN LEAVES FROM A TREE.
SO THEN IF YOU THEN LOOK AT COUNTY CODE SECTION 66-81, IT STATES THAT IT'S UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON TO THROW A DUMP BURY, BURN, DESTROY OR OTHERWISE DISPOSE OF SOLID WASTE WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE COUNTY.
SO BASICALLY UNDER OUR COUNTY ORDINANCE, SOMEONE CAN BURN BRUSH.
WELL, OBVIOUSLY, PROBABLY FOR GENERATIONS, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN BURNING BRUSH ON THEIR PROPERTY.
AND I DON'T THINK THIS HAS REALLY BEEN ENFORCED, AT LEAST IN MY TIME HERE.
IT'S ACTUALLY A CLASS TWO MISDEMEANOR UNDER OUR COUNTY CODE TO BURN BRUSH UNDER CHAPTER 66-2.
I SAID CLASS D MISDEMEANOR, THAT WAS A MISPRINT MISDEMEANOR CLASS ONE.
NOW, IT ACTUALLY IS LEGAL UNDER OUR COUNTY CODE TO BURN RUBBISH, WHICH IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF RUBBISH UNDER 66-1, IT BASICALLY IS GLASS PLASTIC METAL PLANT GROWTH.
NOW THAT'S FOR AREAS THEY'RE ZONED A-1 AND RA.
SO FOR THOSE TWO ZONING DISTRICTS, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO BURN YOUR OWN RUBBISH ON YOUR PROPERTY AS LONG AS YOU MEET THE SETBACK OF 50 FEET FROM ANY OCCUPIED DWELLING, AS LONG AS YOU COMPLY WITH THE REGULATIONS OF STATE AIR POLLUTION CONTROL BOARD.
AND CHAPTER 42, ARTICLE III, WHICH WE'LL GO TO NEXT.
WHICH SECTION 44-72 STATES THAT SHALL BE UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON TO SET, FIRE OR PROCURE IN ORDER TO SET FIRE TO ANY WOODS, BRUSH, LEAVES, GRASS, DEBRIS OR ANY OTHER MATERIAL UNLESS THEY HAVE TAKEN REASONABLE CARE AND PRECAUTION BY CUTTING AND PILING THE MATERIAL.
SO IN THIS SECTION, IT DOESN'T STATE THIS IS ONLY FOR RA AND A-1.
IT MAKES IT SOUND LIKE YOU CAN DO IT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AS LONG AS YOU'RE TAKING THE PROPER PRECAUTIONS.
SO YOU KIND OF HAVE THAT CONFLICT BETWEEN CHAPTER 66, 62 AND 44.
SO THE SOLUTION I CAME UP WITH AND I TALKED TO CHARLES HARRISON, WHO'S THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, AND JULIE WALTON, COMMUNITY DIRECTOR, BASICALLY STRIKE BRUSH FROM THE DEFINITION OF SOLID WASTE.
SO IF WE DID THAT, THE DEFINITION OF SOLID WASTE WOULD NO LONGER INCLUDE THE TERM BRUSH.
SO YOU STILL WOULDN'T BE YOU IF THIS AMENDMENT WENT THROUGH, YOU WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO BURN SOLID WASTE IF YOU LIVED IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
YOU WOULD STILL HAVE THE EXEMPTION FOR RA AND A-1 FOR BURNING THE RUBBISH.
YOU WOULD THEN BE ALLOWED TO BURN BRUSH, WHICH COULD BE, YOU KNOW, A FIRE PIT, A SMALL BRUSH PILE AND RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
SO THEN WE THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT KIND OF RESTRICTIONS SHOULD THERE BE ON BURNING BRUSH AND RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE ONE AND TWO ACRE LOTS? SO WE THOUGHT ABOUT DOING, SHOULD WE HAVE SETBACKS LIKE WE DID WITH THE BURNING OF RUBBISH WHERE YOU REQUIRE A 50 FOOT SETBACK FROM OCCUPIED BUILDINGS? THE COMPLAINT WE'VE BEEN GETTING WITH ONE PARTICULAR PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY IS SOMEONE WAS BURNING BRUSH ON A NIGHTLY BASIS AT HIS HOUSE AND HAVING PUTTING IT IN A ROUND BALE HOLDER AND BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, PRETTY LARGE PROBABLY WAS THAT 10 FOOT DIAMETER.
AND SO BASICALLY THAT WAS PRODUCING PRETTY HIGH FLAMES, A LOT OF ASH, AND IT WAS ACTUALLY GETTING ON CARS AND HOUSES.
SO WE WERE NOT ALLOWED BRUSH BURNING.
SHOULD WE SAY YOU HAVE TO HAVE A 50 FOOT SETBACK FROM OCCUPIED BUILDINGS? IT'D BE HARDER TO REGULATE THE SIZE OF THE BRUSH PILE OR ANYTHING.
SO THE SETBACK WAS THE MOST REASONABLE REGULATION THAT WE COULD COME UP WITH AND THAT WOULD BE FOR ANY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
WE WOULD HAVE TO ADD THAT TO THE CODE AS WELL.
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SO THAT'S KIND OF THE HIGHLIGHT OF THE ISSUE OF THE CONFLICT WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY CODE.SO THAT WAS A SOLUTION WE CAME UP WITH WAS TO ALLOW THE BURNING OF BRUSH, BUT MAYBE HAVE SOME REASONABLE REGULATIONS, SUCH AS SETBACKS, SO THAT IF SOMEONE HAD A SMALL LIKE AN ACRE A LOT OR HALF AN ACRE LOT, THEN WHEN THEY'RE BURNING THE BRUSH, THEY'RE FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND FROM THEIR NEIGHBORS DWELLING, SO IT DOESN'T CAUSE SOME ISSUES.
WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT? THIS WOULDN'T PREVENT PEOPLE IF THEY HAD TO SETBACKS FROM THEIR LEAVES UP? BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD LIKE RAKE THE LEAVES UP SOME.
SOMETIMES THEY MULCH IT, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T, AND THEN THEY WAIT TILL THE EVENING AND THEY'LL BURN THEM AND GET RID OF THEM.
SO RIGHT NOW, IF YOU CONSIDER LEAVES TO BE BRUSH, IT'S ILLEGAL TO BURN LEAVES IN THE COUNTY, SO.
YOU CAN GO ANYWHERE BETWEEN [INAUDIBLE] AND WHEREVER YOU WANT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IT IN DITCHES.
I THINK IT'S BEEN THE COUNTY CODE FOR SO LONG THAT'S NEVER BEEN ENFORCED.
SO BASICALLY NOW YOU COULD SAY BRUSH DOWN INCLUDE LEAVES.
YOU COULD SAY BRUSH IS ONLY STICKS AND TWIGS AND DOESN'T INCLUDE LEAVES.
BUT THE QUESTION CAME UP FROM A CITIZEN IF SOMEONE'S BURNING BRUSH AND YOUR COUNTY CODE SAYS IT'S ILLEGAL TO BURN BRUSH.
WHY ISN'T THIS BEING ENFORCED? SO THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT TONIGHT TO SEE WHETHER WE SHOULD STRIKE THE TERM BRUSH FROM THE DEFINITION OF SOLID WASTE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN CONTINUE TO BURN LEAVES AND BARRELS AND DITCHES.
YOU MAY SEE IT ON COURTHOUSE STRESS ON BURNT LEAVES IN THE DITCH RIGHT THERE, RIGHT ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT RESIDENTS THAT BURN THE TRASH IN A BARREL, BUT A GREAT [INAUDIBLE].
I MEAN, WE'RE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
I MEAN, NOT RESIDENTIAL, IT'S WE'RE IN THE COUNTY.
EVERYBODY KEEPS COMPLAINING IT, WE'RE NOT.
THEY MOVED IN THE COUNTY TO GET AWAY FROM THE CITY ORDINANCES, BUT THE HECK OF IT IS YOU CAN SEE THIS BEING DONE IN THE CITY.
SO RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE ONLY UNDER AN ORDINANCE, YOU CAN ONLY BURN TRASH IF YOU LIVE IN RA OR A-1.
YOU LIVE IN R-A OR R-2, YOU CAN'T BURN YOUR TRASH IN A BURN BARREL, UNDER OUR ORDINANCE.
SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO BRING IT TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO AMEND OR ORDINANCE TO ALLOW IT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT ALLOWED.
SO THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE THE CITIZEN CONCERNED THAT OUR ORDINANCE SAYS ONE THING, BUT IT'S NOT BEING ENFORCED.
BUT MADAM CHAIR? YES, SIR? THIS SEEMS WE HAVE SO MANY REALLY IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING, BUT I LOOK AT THIS WHERE PART OF THE PROBLEM IS.
HOW MUCH IT COSTS PEOPLE TO TAKE STUFF OVER TO UNION BRANCH.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO SEE US WILLY-NILLY, JUMP IN AND TRY TO MODIFY AN ORDINANCE WITHOUT LOOKING AT WHAT'S THE ROOT CAUSE.
I CAN TELL YOU, WHEN I WAS A KID, WE BURNED.
YOU KNOW, IF WE CUT DOWN SOME LIMBS OUT OF A TREE, WE LAY THEM THERE IN A PILE AND LET THEM DIE OUT AND THEN WE BURNED IT.
I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK ABOUT WHAT'S IN A COUNTY ORDINANCE.
DO YOU THINK ABOUT YOU LIVE IN THE COUNTY NOW? NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, YOU STILL NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS AND REASONABLE.
I JUST, I DON'T KNOW HOW WIDESPREAD THIS IS.
IS IT JUST ONE COMPLAINT? IS IT A HUNDRED COMPLAINTS? AGAIN, BEFORE WE JUST JUMP OFF AND TRY TO ADDRESS SOMETHING, I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW WIDESPREAD IS IT? I DID NOT KNOW BRUSH WAS IN AN ORDINANCE WHERE YOU COULDN'T EVEN BURN YOUR TRASH IN A CAN.
IT'S JUST, IF YOU LIVED IN THE COUNTRY ALL YOUR LIFE, THAT'S WHAT YOU KIND OF GREW UP DOING.
MY COUNTERPART TONIGHT, MR. HARRISON, WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE.
HE COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION HOW MUCH HE RECEIVED, BUT HE HAD.
BUT HE IS THE ONE ALSO THAT BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT HE HAS RECEIVED THIS COMPLAINT MORE THAN ONCE ABOUT THEIR ORDINANCE SAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T BURN BRUSH, YOU CAN'T BURN.
AND SO HE WANTED SOME DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD AS TO SHOULD HE BE ENFORCING THE CODE THE WAY IT STANDS.
AND I SAID, WELL, BEFORE WE GO TO THE MAGISTRATE AND START SWEARING OUT WARRANTS OR SENDING NOTICES, WHY DON'T I? WHY DON'T I GO TO THE BOARD AT A WORK SESSION, EXPLAIN THE ISSUE AND WE CAN HAVE SOME DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD IF THEY WANT TO AMEND THE CODE TO CONTINUE, ALLOW THIS LONG STANDING PRACTICE OR IF THEY WANT TO ENFORCE THE ORDINANCE THE WAY IT STANDS.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE REMOVING OF THE BRUSH FROM THE ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW, BUT I STILL SAY THIS STILL TAKES MORE CONSIDERATION AND MORE WORK AND MORE LOOKING AT IT TO SAY WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE RIGHT END PRODUCT? I UNDERSTAND WHERE HE IS TODAY.
PERSONALLY, I'M NOT GOING OUT SWEARING WARRANTS.
I DON'T NOBODY RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE BURNING THEIR TRASH, EVEN IF THE
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CODE SAYS THAT.I JUST THINK WE'RE OPENING UP SUCH A CAN OF WORMS, YOU KNOW? BUT THAT'S JUST ME.
LET ME SAY THAT WE DO GET CALLS OCCASIONALLY ABOUT, IS THERE A BURN BAN ON AND THIS THING AND ANOTHER AND THERE'S NO BURN BAN AT THIS TIME OF THE YEAR.
AND WE JUST ALWAYS CAUTION THE FOLKS TO, IF THEY'RE GOING TO BURN, IT'S GOING TO BE ANY SIZE AT ALL.
PLEASE CALL THE ECC COMMUNICATION CENTER AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THERE'S A CONTROLLED BURN AT WHATEVER THEIR ADDRESS IS.
AND SO THEY'LL BE AWARE AND WON'T BE SENDING A FIRE TRUCK OVER THERE FOR SOMEBODY'S BURNING LEAVES IN THEIR DITCH.
AND TO TAKE DUE PRECAUTION IF THE WIND'S BLOWING DON'T BURN, YOU KNOW, KEEP A WATER HOSE AVAILABLE AND THIS TYPE OF THING.
BUT AS FAR AS NOT LETTING PEOPLE BURN THEIR LEAVES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THAT NOW.
WHO WHO WOULD ENFORCE THAT IS THE CHIEF'S GAS MUST BE RIDING AROUND IN ENFORCING.
THEY HAVE A WHOLE LOT MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO THAN THAT.
I DON'T MEAN ANY HARM OR DISRESPECT, BUT THEY HAVE OTHER THINGS TO DO, AND MR. HARRISON CERTAINLY HAS OTHER THINGS TO DO AS WELL.
WELL, I WAS THE PERSON WHO RECEIVED A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT NEIGHBORS BURNING RUBBISH OR WHATEVER IN THEIR BARRELS OR PITS OR WHATEVER THEY HAD.
AND THERE WAS A LOT OF COMPLAINT ABOUT THE SMELL, THE ODOR, THE SMOKE THAT WOULD COME DOWN INTO THE AIR AND GO INTO THE HOUSES AND AFFECT PEOPLE WHO HAD RESPIRATORY ILLNESSES.
SO THIS, OF COURSE, IS AN ISSUE WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE NOWADAYS, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR COVID, EVERYBODY'S HAVING DIFFICULTY BREATHING.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I LOOKED AT THE POLICIES THAT WE HAD IN PLACE OR THE ORDINANCES AND; BUT DON'T WE NEED TO REMOVE THE BRUSH FROM THAT ONE SECTION? THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST FOR NOW, AND I CAN BRING THAT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR ADVERTISEMENT OF A PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT'D BE, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE OTHER, ANY OTHER SOLUTIONS WE COULD INVOLVE CHIEF BEAMAN AND INVOLVE MR. HARRISON.
AND IF WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS THE ORDINANCE IN ANY OTHER MANNER REGARDING ANY KIND OF REGULATION OR IF WE JUST WANT TO ALLOW, WE COULD GET HIM MR. HARRISON AND MR. BEAMAN'S INPUT ON THAT.
YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, IT WILL ALWAYS MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IF YOU DO LIGHT A FIRE AND IT DOES GET AWAY FROM YOU, YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DAMAGE THAT IT CAUSES.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S AS FAR AS I WOULD EVER GO, AT THIS POINT.
BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE ISSUE HE HAS IN FRONT OF HIM; RIGHT? RIGHT.
BECAUSE HE JUST CAN'T, HE CAN'T IGNORE IT.
THE CONFLICT; RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO DO THAT REMOVING THE BRUSH.
BUT I DO SAY THAT SHOULDN'T BE THE END.
THAT SHOULD JUST BE THE START.
I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I UNDERSTAND, BUT THIS IS YOU LIVE IN THE COUNTRY AND I THINK THE CITIZEN COMPLAINT JUST BECAUSE OF THE DAMAGE TO THEIR VEHICLE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S BECAUSE OF THE ACTUAL.
IT'S BECAUSE IT WAS ACTUALLY CAUSING DAMAGE TO HIS PROPERTY IS THE REASON BECAUSE THERE WAS SUCH A LARGE BRUSH PILE THAT WAS BEING BURNED AND IT WAS ACTUALLY CAUSING DAMAGE TO HIS PROPERTY.
AND I REMEMBER WE HAD A COMPLAINT ABOUT SOME BURNING THAT WAS GOING OUT IN ONE OF THE AREAS BEING CLEARED FOR A SUBDIVISION.
AND I KNOW WHOEVER THE BUILDER WAS ENDED UP TAKING OVER A GIFT CARD FOR WHOEVER IT WAS TO GET THEIR CAR CLEANED UP.
I MEAN, I JUST THINK BEFORE WE START ENACTING ALL OF THESE RULES TO FORCE CERTAIN THINGS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S WAYS TO WORK STUFF OUT.
SO BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS SOMETHING WITH THE BRUSH THAT'S CURRENTLY A CONFLICT IN THE ORDINANCE.
WELL, I CAN WORK ON ADVERTISEMENT TO STRIKE THAT LANGUAGE, THE BRUSH FROM THE DEFINITION OF SOLID WASTE, THEN WE CAN BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR ADVERTISING ON THE 25TH AND THEN PUBLIC HEARING, IT WOULD BE IN FEBRUARY.
I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HEAR FROM MR. HARRISON, TOO.
HE'S REALLY GOOD ABOUT GETTING THINGS LIKE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GIFT CARD FOR SOMEBODY THAT HAS SOME DAMAGE OR SOMETHING, HE'S REALLY GOOD ABOUT WORKING THOSE THINGS OUT.
AND HE DID SAY HE SUPPORTED THE SOLUTION THAT I PROPOSED TONIGHT, BUT WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE.
THAT IS ALL FOR THE WORK SESSION AT THIS TIME.
THE BOARD WILL BE IN RECESS UNTIL 7:00.
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GIVE ME TIME FOR ANOTHER THING.GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE BOARD HAS JUST FINISHED THEIR CLOSED SESSION AND THE WORK SESSION, AND WE'RE NOW ENTERING INTO OUR BUSINESS SESSION.
WE WILL NOW HAVE AN INVOCATION BY THE REVEREND DR.
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SYLVIA TUCKER, LOVING UNION BAPTIST CHURCH, PRINCE GEORGE.REV. TUCKER? SHALL WE PRAY? DEAR GOD, OF ALL, WE COME TO YOU TONIGHT ASKING FOR GUIDANCE AND SUPPORT.
AND AS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND OUR NEW CHAIRMAN BEGAN THESE MEETINGS THIS YEAR OF 2022.
LORD, HELP THEM TO ENGAGE IN MEANINGFUL DISCUSSIONS.
ALLOW THEM TO GROW CLOSER AS A GROUP AND NURTURE THE BONDS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
WE PRAY FOR THEIR LEADERSHIP AND LET THEIR LEADERSHIP HAVE THE SKILLS OF MOSES.
THE BRAVERY AND VISION OF DAVID.
THE WISDOM OF SOLOMON, THE PATIENCE OF JOB.
AND THE PERSEVERANCE OF THE APOSTLE PAUL.
AND LORD, WHENEVER THEY NEED ADVICE.
HAVE THEM TO LOOK TO THE BOOK OF PROVERBS.
SO AS WE GO THROUGH THIS YEAR OF 2022, WE ASK YOUR BLESSINGS UPON THEM, KEEP THEM SAFE, KEEP THEM WELL.
AND WE ASK A SPECIAL SPECIAL BLESSING UPON OUR COUNTY, PRINCE GEORGE.
THEN WE'LL HAVE OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG BY MR. BROWN.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH WE STAND.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
NOW IS THE TIME FOR ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IF YOU HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU MAY COME FORTH, GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS
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AND YOU WILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS.I MAY BE OUT OF ORDER, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE BURN BAN.
CAN I DO IT NOW? YOU CAN MAKE YOUR COMMENTS NOW, SIR, BUT WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING ANYMORE ABOUT THAT TONIGHT.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE ON PUBLIC COMMENT.
GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT.
OK? I MAY HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAD INITIATED THIS BURN BAN.
I LIVE IN AN R-2 NEIGHBORHOOD.
14 DAYS IN A ROW, I'VE HAD EMBERS SHOOTING UP ABOVE THE PINE TREES, 60 FOOT TALL FALLING ON MY TRUCK AND MY WIFE'S PAINTED CAR.
I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT WOOD ASH WILL DO, BUT IT'S VERY CAUSTIC.
I CAN TAKE THE HAIR OFF OF DEER HIDE WITH WOOD ASH AND A LITTLE BIT OF WATER.
I'VE CALLED IN TO CODE ENFORCEMENT KIND OF GOT TO RUN AROUND BECAUSE I WAS TOLD THAT THERE WAS NOTHING TO CITE.
AND IF IT WAS SIGHTED, IF IT CAME TO COURT, IT WOULDN'T BE PROSECUTED.
SO I TALKED TO MR. WHITTEN AND HE'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL.
I'M AGAINST TAKING BRUSH OUT BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THIS ONE PERSON IS BURNING.
HE'S BURNING GREAT BIG TREES, AND NOW HE'S BOUGHT A CATTLE FEED RING THAT'S SITTING IN THE BACKYARD.
AND THIS IS A BIG, IT'S A BIG RING.
AND HE PILES IT UP WITH BRUSH EVERYTHING AND HE BURNS IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL HE'S BURNING OTHER THAN BRUSH.
ONE EVENING, HE BURNT WITHIN 30 FEET OF MY TRUCK, A GREAT BIG PILE OF PINE NEEDLES AND PINE CONES.
YOU KNOW, I GET UP IN THE MORNING, I GOT EMBERS AND ASHES ALL OVER MY TRUCK.
I GOT A VINYL COVER ON THE BACK OF THE TRUCK.
SO FOR OVER TWO WEEKS, I'VE NOT HAD MY TRUCK IN THE YARD BECAUSE I
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DON'T WANT TO GET IT MESSED UP.THESE ARE HALF ACRE LOTS, IT'S R-2 DOTHAN HILLS.
I LIKE TO BURN, I GREW UP ON A FARM.
YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS BURN TOMATO VINES AND STUFF LIKE THAT TO KILL THE FUNGUS AND ALL.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE BURNING IN R-2 WITH ALL THIS SMELL AND STUFF GOING ON.
LEAVES IS ONE THING, BUT WHEN THEY START DUMPING ACCELERANTS, DIESEL FUEL, MOTOR OIL.
I'VE COME HOME BEFORE AND WALKED INTO MY YARD.
IT'S HONEST TRUTH YOU CAN'T SEE IN MY BACKYARD FOR THE SMOKE.
I GO THROUGH A PROCESS TO WASH MY CLOTHES AND KEEP THEM WITH NO SCENT ON THEM.
IF I HANG THEM ON THE LINE AND COME HOME AND THEY'RE BURNING, I GOT TO REDO THEM ALL.
I HATE TO SEE YOU ALL TAKE OUT BRUSH.
YOU KNOW, AGRICULTURE IS DIFFERENT, BUT IN A HALF ACRE LOT WHERE HOUSES ARE SIDE BY SIDE.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN TIGHT PLACES, I HEARD SOMEBODY UP HERE SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN A COUNTY.
WELL, WE'RE IN A COUNTY, BUT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, SOMEBODY GAVE PEOPLE THE RIGHT TO BUILD HOUSES ON HALF ACRE LOTS.
SO NOW WE'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH IT.
MY OPINION, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY SHOULD EVER HAVE A BURN BARREL IN AN R-2 NEIGHBORHOOD BURNING PLASTIC, DIESEL FUEL, PARTS OF TIRES.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'S LEGAL TO BURN A TIRE IN PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY.
BUT THAT'S MY COMMENTS, I APPRECIATE YOU ALL'S TIME, BUT I REALLY HOPE YOU'LL GIVE IT SOME THOUGHT.
MY OTHER THING IS IF MY TRUCK GETS MESSED UP, WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR A PAINT JOB.
YOU KNOW, IS THE COUNTY GOING TO DO IT BECAUSE THEY'RE LETTING IT HAPPEN? THERE'S AN ORDINANCE ON THE BOOK RIGHT NOW THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T BURN IN AN R-2 NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I HEARD WHAT YOU ALL SAID.
NOTHING'S ENFORCED, EXCEPT MY SPEEDING TICKETS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, SIR.
MADAM CHAIR, CAN I GET MR. SCHULTZ'S ADDRESS, PLEASE? YES, PLEASE GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE TO GIVE THEIR COMMENTS? I SEE NO ONE COMING FORTH.
IS THERE ANYONE ON ZOOM WHO WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT? ALL ZOOM PARTICIPANTS, IF YOU WISH TO MAKE COMMENTS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AT THIS TIME, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND ELECTRONICALLY USING THE BUTTON IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER OF YOUR SCREEN.
PHONE USERS MAY PRESS STAR NINE TO RAISE THEIR HAND.
AND WE DO HAVE ONE SO FAR, MA'AM.
AND MS. GLORIA, YOU'VE BEEN UNMUTED NOW, PLEASE REMEMBER TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS BEFORE YOU BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS.
EXCUSE ME, YEAH, IF YOU COULD START AGAIN, MA'AM, PLEASE THANK YOU.
MY NAME IS GLORIA MITCHELL-LIVELY.
I LIVE AT 16800 SHAND'S ROAD IN SOUTH PRINCE GEORGE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW, SIR? YES, MA'AM.
OK? MY CONCERN IS THE LACK OF AVAILABILITY OF INTERNET SERVICES, SPECIFICALLY ON SHAND'S ROAD.
AT ONE END OF SHAND'S ROAD, THERE IS INTERNET WHEN YOU START TO APPROACH THE TOWN OF CARSON.
AT THE OTHER END OF SHAND'S ROAD, WHICH RUNS IT TO SPAIN DRIVE, AND THERE'S A VERY SHORT DISTANCE TO ROUTE 35, INDIVIDUALS THERE HAVE ACCESS TO INTERNET.
WHEN I TRIED TO OBTAIN INTERNET THROUGH PRINCE GEORGE ELECTRIC CO-OP, I WAS TOLD THAT I COULD NOT BECAUSE MY POWER IS THROUGH DOMINION POWER AND THEY WERE ONLY SERVICING THEIR CUSTOMERS.
THIS IS 2022, I'M RETIRED, I'M A SENIOR CITIZEN, BUT AS MANY SENIOR CITIZENS
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FIND OUT, WE NEED TO SUPPLEMENT OUR RETIREMENT BENEFITS.I HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO, BECAUSE OF COVID, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO STAY INSIDE.
I'VE HAD SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR ONLINE.
I'M A NURSE BY TRADE AND I'VE LOST FOUR POSITIONS WHERE I COULD TALK NURSING STUDENTS REMOTELY BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE INTERNET.
UM, THERE ARE OTHER PLACES I WON'T NAME.
WELL, ANTHEM, I COULD HAVE BEEN A CASE MANAGER FOR THEM, BUT I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO INTERNET.
IF IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO ASK THIS QUESTION, WHEN WILL THE COUNTY TAKE SOME ACTION TO MAKE THIS, TO MAKE INTERNET MORE ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE IN RURAL AREAS, ESPECIALLY, LIKE I SAID ON THE SPAN OF ROAD WHERE I LIVE AT ONE END, THEY HAVE IT AT THE OTHER END THEY HAVE INTERNET, BUT NOT ON SHAND'S ROAD.
I WAS TOLD BY ONE COMPANY THAT I COULD PAY TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS AND THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, PUT MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO ME, BUT THAT WOULD MEAN THAT EVERYONE ON THE ROAD WHO DIDN'T PAY A DIME COULD STILL GET INTERNET BECAUSE I PAID THEM TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS.
AND I REALLY WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT HOW NOT HAVING INTERNET ACCESS AFFECTS YOUR CONSTITUENTS.
YES, MA'AM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? MADAM CHAIR, THERE IS NO ONE ELSE ON ZOOM WITH THEIR HAND RAISED.
THANK YOU, IF THERE'S NO ONE ELSE THAN I CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION.
NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.
[ADOPTION OF AGENDA]
DO I HAVE A A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO ADD THREE ITEMS TO OUR BUSINESS PORTION OF THE AGENDA ITEM A8, WHICH WOULD BE A RESOLUTION FOR ON THE POSITION CONTROL CHART CHANGE.A-9 WOULD BE A RESOLUTION FOR THE PRINCE GEORGE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO SENATOR MORRISSEY, AND THIS WOULD BE SHOWING SUPPORT OF THE CASINO FOR PETERSBURG.
A10, WHICH WOULD BE A RESOLUTION OR US ADOPTING THE HOURS OF WORK PERSONNEL POLICY.
THOSE ARE THE THREE ITEMS TO ADD TO THE AGENDA.
RIGHT? DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
CALL THE ROLL MRS. KNOTT, PLEASE.
MR. CARMICHAEL IS ABSENT TONIGHT.
MADAM CHAIR? YES, SIR? JUST BEFORE YOU GO TO THE NEXT ITEM.
CAN I ASK MAYBE IF YOU WOULD HAVE MR. STOKE OR SOMEONE FROM STAFF TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE YOUNG LADY WHO ASKED ABOUT THE INTERNET ISSUE? THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE AWARE OF AS FAR AS WHO CAN AND WHO CAN'T RIGHT NOW.
SO I JUST THINK IT'D BE GOOD FOR STAFF TO FOLLOW UP.
OK, I JUST WANTED BECAUSE SHE WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN THAT, BUT SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT SO THAT SHE WOULD KNOW SOMEONE WOULD FOLLOW UP WITH HER.
MADAM CHAIR, IF MR. CARMICHAEL COULD GIVE HIS ADDRESS AND WHERE HE'S CALLING FROM, AND ALSO THE REASON HE'S CALLING IN FOR THE RECORD.
CAN MR. CARMICHAEL HEAR US? YES, CALLING IN DUE TO ILLNESS FOR THE PAST FOUR DAYS.
STATE WHERE YOU'RE CALLING FROM.
YOU HAVE TO STAY WHERE HE'S CALLING IN FROM.
1824 [INAUDIBLE] ROAD IS WHERE I'M RESIDING FOR THE PAST WEEK.
NOW WE'RE ON TO THE ORDER OF CONSENSUS.
[ORDER OF CONSENSUS]
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THANK YOU, MR. WEBB.CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE, MS. KNOTT.
MR. WEBB? YES, MRS. WOMACK? YES.
NEXT ON OUR AGENDA, WE WERE TO HAVE SOME PRESENTATIONS, BUT THEY WILL HAVE TO
[PRESENTATIONS]
BE POSTPONED UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING, SO WE DO HAVE PRESENTATIONS FOR OUR CHRISTMAS DECORATIONS WINNER, OUR CHRISTMAS CARD CONTEST WINNER AND OUR CHRISTMAS PARADE WINNERS AND MR. ROTZOLL IS IN CHARGE OF THAT.PLEASE COME FORWARD, MR. ROTZOLL.
MADAM CHAIR, VICE CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS, THIS IS A VERY, VERY POSITIVE PART OF THE YEAR.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS PRESENTATION EACH YEAR.
SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT AWARDS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE GIVING.
WE'RE GOING TO BE GIVING A NUMBER FOR THE CHRISTMAS DECORATION WINNERS, THE CHRISTMAS CARD CONTEST WINNERS AND THE PARADE WINNERS.
SO LET'S JUST GET STARTED WITH THIS.
NOLAN CUNNINGHAM HERE FOR RELIGIOUS DISPLAY HOUSE DECORATING.
YOU WANT TO COME DOWN AND PRESENT THAT? MRS. WAYMACK? HE WANTS YOU TO COME DOWN TO.
IF YOU WANT THE REST OF US TO STAND, WE'LL JUST STAND.
STACEY? NEXT, WE HAVE DALLAS SINAN, FROM THE TACKY HOLIDAY FUN HOUSE DECORATING CONTEST.
HEY, NEUVILLE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH FOR THE CHURCH DECORATING CONTEST.
RIGHT NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO LIKE TO ASK MACY STRUM TO COME UP.
SHE MADE THE BEAUTIFUL CHRISTMAS CARD, WHICH WAS THE OFFICIAL PRINCE GEORGE CHRISTMAS CARD THIS YEAR.
OK, NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO THE PARADE, THE BEST DECORATED FLOAT WAS THE PRINCE GEORGE DIXIE DARLINGS.
ALL RIGHT, THE BEST DECORATED PUBLIC SERVICE VEHICLE WAS JEFFERSON PARK.
THE MOST SPIRITED THEMED IS DANCE CRAZE.
THE JUDGE'S CHOICE WAS ELLEN JONES AND THE JONES FAMILY.
BEST OVERALL WITH SYNERGY PT AND ATHLETIC PERFORMANCE.
THE BEST PERFORMANCE WAS ART OF RHYTHM DANCE COMPANY.
THE BEST THROWBACK PRINCE GEORGE HIGH SCHOOL MAJORETTES FROM THE 70S.
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THE MOST ADORABLE.THE WEST END CHRISTIAN CHURCH SCHOOL.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THE MOST HOMETOWN, ADEN BRYANT.
THANK YOU TO ALL OF OUR WINNERS, LET'S GIVE THEM ANOTHER HAND.
YOU SEE WHAT YOU DON'T REALIZE THE MAJOR MAJORETTES FROM THE 70S, WHAT WAS BACK WHEN I WENT TO SCHOOL.
NOBODY HAD TO HAVE WALKERS OR ANYTHING.
NEXT IN OUR PROGRAM ARE THE SUPERVISOR'S COMMENTS, AND I WILL START WITH MR. WEBB.
NOTHING THAT NOTHING TO LIKE, MADAM CHAIR.
MR. BROWN, JUST MY COMMENT ON THE WHOLE COVID SITUATION, EVEN THOUGH THIS VARIANT IS SHOWING NOT TO BE AS DEADLY AS THE ORIGINAL COVID 19, IT'S STILL VERY, VERY CONTAGIOUS.
SO PLEASE, YOU KNOW, JUST PROTECT YOURSELF AT ALL TIMES, EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY GET IT AND PEOPLE SAY, WELL, IT'S NOT AS BAD.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF US REALLY WANTED, SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT TONIGHT.
THANK YOU, MR. BROWN, MR. HUNTER.
I JUST WANT TO LET PEOPLE KNOW TO TAG ALONG WITH WHAT MR. BROWN SAYS.
LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE GETTING IT.
WE'VE CERTAINLY TAKEN A TOLL HERE AT THIS OFFICE BUILDING.
BUT THIS FRIDAY AT UNITY BAPTIST CHURCH ON MOUNT SINAI ROAD, WE'RE GOING TO
[SUPERVISORS’ COMMENTS]
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BE HANDING OUT A FEW OF THE SELF-TESTS IF YOU WANT TO COME BY THERE BETWEEN ONE AND TWO.WE DON'T HAVE A LOT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM OUT.
WE PUT THEM IN YOUR CAR AND LET YOU DRIVE OFF.
IF YOU WANT TO GET THE ACTUAL TEST.
IF YOU CAN GO TO HOPEWELL AT THE BANK OVER NEXT TO THE K&L IN CAVALIER SHOPPING CENTER BETWEEN 10 AND 12.
AND THEY'LL ACTUALLY BE PERFORMING THE TESTS THERE.
THE I THINK THEY HAVE LIKE 70, SIGNED UP ALREADY.
SO IF YOU WANT TO GO OUT THERE, GO AHEAD BY THERE.
WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE SOME MORE CLINICS, ACTUALLY VACCINE CLINICS IN THE NEAR FUTURE AND I'LL KEEP YOU INFORMED.
BUT PROBABLY THE NEXT ONE THAT I KNOW WE'LL HAVE WILL BE THE LAST MONDAY OF THE MONTH.
THANK YOU, MR. HUNTER, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I HOPE EVERYBODY HAD A HAPPY HOLIDAY, I KNOW EVERYBODY SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY WAS SICK.
AND IF YOU WERE THE ONES, I'M GLAD YOU'RE WELL THANK YOU.
NOW, WE'LL HAVE COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS COMMENTS.
OH, MR. CARMICHAEL? NO COMMENTS.
NO COMMENTS, MADAM CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU.
[COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR’S COMMENTS]
MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, GOOD EVENING.FIRST TO NOTE TO GLORIA IPAD, I CHATTED WITH YOU AND SENT MY EMAIL AND MY PHONE NUMBER WHERE YOU CAN CALL 722-8600.
I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE STATUS OF INTERNET FOR DOMINION CUSTOMERS WITHIN THE COUNTY.
MEMBERS THE BOARD YOU HAVE MY COUNTY INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS REPORT BEFORE YOU.
YOU ARE PRESENTED WITH DATES AND SOME PERSONNEL CHANGES.
I GUESS I WOULD SAY ONE THING TONIGHT IS, QUITE FRANKLY, OUR FOCUS IS KEEPING COUNTY OPERATIONS OPEN AND PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE DURING THIS RECENT COVID SURGE.
WE HAVE HAD AN IMPACT OUR COUNTY.
WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP OFFICES OPEN.
WE ASK THAT THE PUBLIC FOR THEIR FORGIVENESS IF WE ARE A LITTLE SLOW IN GETTING AROUND TO THINGS RIGHT NOW.
WE ARE VERY THIN ACROSS THE BOARD AND HAD THE GREATEST NUMBER OF COVID OUTAGES IN OUR STAFF SINCE DECEMBER THAT WE'VE HAD FOR THE ENTIRE PANDEMIC.
NOW WE'LL HAVE OUR REPORTS, OUR FIRST REPORT IS FROM CRYSTAL
[REPORTS]
SMITH, OUR VDOT REPRESENTATIVE.GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M STILL PLAYING CATCH UP FOR BEING OUT SO LONG, SO I'M JUST GOING TO RUN THROUGH A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT I'VE GOTTEN UPDATES ON THIS WEEK.
RIVER'S EDGE ROAD AT ROUTE 10 THAT WAS REVIEWED BY OUR SAFETY OFFICER AND THE INFORMATION THAT HE HAS CONVEYED TO ME IS THAT IT APPEARS THERE MAY BE A SPEEDING ISSUE ALONG ROUTE 10 THAT IS CREATING CONCERNS FOR THE TRAFFIC PULLING OUT OF RIVER'S EDGE.
HE DID MEASURE THE SITE DISTANCE THERE AND INDICATED ABOUT A THOUSAND FEET, WHICH IS WELL OVER A MINIMUM STANDARD.
SO WE'RE LOOKING A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ON PAST SPEED STUDIES AND SOME ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE THAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE IN THAT AREA.
I KNOW THAT CAME FROM MR. WEBB, SO IF YOU HAVE A CONTACT.
THAT YOU COULD SHARE WITH US, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
WE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON SOME OF THE CONCERNS.
AND ITS SIGNAGE YOU MAY BE CONSIDERING.
COULD BE CARS ENTERING HIGHWAY OR? IT COULD BE.
IT MAY BE THAT WE LOOK AT DOING A FULL SPEED STUDY AGAIN ON ROUTE 10 IN THAT AREA.
AND THEN STOP AND CITE DISTANCE, BECAUSE THE SAFETY OFFICER INDICATED WHILE HE WAS OUT THERE, IT APPEARED THAT A LOT OF VEHICLES WERE FOLLOWING EACH OTHER REALLY CLOSELY.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT IS STOP AND SIGHT DISTANCE, NOT JUST SIGHT DISTANCE.
I'LL TEXT THAT INFORMATION TO YOU.
PICKENS LANE, THAT IS ONE THAT IS PROPOSED FOR AN ABANDONMENT I SENT OUT JUST BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS PACKET HAS BEEN PREPARED, AND IF MS. KNOTT DID NOT GET IT TODAY, SHE SHOULD BE GETTING THAT TOMORROW.
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SO THE ADVERTISEMENT WILL GO OUT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.IT MUST BE ADVERTISED 30 DAYS IN ADVANCE OF THE ACTUAL PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE SHOULD BE SEEING THAT SOON.
I'LL KEEP THE BOARD INFORMED AS TO THE EXACT DATE AND BOARD MEETING THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD AND I WILL BE HERE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO COMMENTS.
COOLWOOD LANE IS NOW COMPLETE, I KNOW THAT ONE'S BEEN OUT ON THE BOOKS FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE CHARGES POSTING.
I'VE ACTUALLY GOT TO COMPLETE AN AUDIT NOW THAT I'M BACK AND CERTIFY THAT ALL THE CHARGES ARE ACCURATE AND THEN WE'LL CLOSE THAT ACCOUNT.
THE PACKET FOR ACCEPTANCE IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING PREPARED, SO HOPEFULLY AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING, WE'LL BE ABLE TO REQUEST THE BOARD COMPLETE A RESOLUTION SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH ACCEPTING IT INTO THE STATE SECONDARY SYSTEM.
UNION BRANCH ROAD, THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR A NO THROUGH TRUCK RESTRICTION REVIEW ON THAT.
I BELIEVE I DID SEND THAT OUT, BUT THE FINDINGS WERE THAT THAT ROUTE IS SUFFICIENT FOR TRUCK TRAFFIC.
IT HAS CENTER LINE AND EDGE LINE MARKINGS, AND THERE ARE TWO MAJOR EITHER INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES AT EITHER END, THERE WOULD BE A CONCERN WITH ENFORCEMENT AS WELL, NOT JUST THAT THE ROAD IS WIDE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE THE TRUCKS, BUT IT WOULD ALSO BE VERY DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE.
MERCHANTS HOPE AND HALL FARM ROAD, WE ARE LOOKING INTO ADDITIONAL CURVE SIGNS AND CHEVRONS IN THAT LOCATION, THAT WAS A RECENT ONE THAT CAME IN.
SO AS SOON AS WE COMPLETE THAT REVIEW AND GET RECOMMENDATIONS OUT, WE'LL UPDATE THE BOARD ON THAT AS WELL.
AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR TONIGHT.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT I'M MISSING OR I DIDN'T GIVE AN UPDATE ON, IT'S STILL OUTSTANDING.
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO LET ME KNOW OR SEND ME AN EMAIL AND I'LL FOLLOW UP ON THOSE YOU'RE WORKING ON, BROCKWELL WROTE.
YES, MR. RUSS SENT OUT AN EMAIL THINK RECENTLY, EXPLAINING THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT IT IS ZONED.
BUT YET THE WAY THAT THE TRAVELING PUBLIC WOULD PERCEIVE THE ROUTE WHEN DRIVING IT, WE'RE TRYING TO GET LEGAL TO MAKE A DECLARATION AS TO WHETHER WE SHOULD SIGN IT AS RESIDENTIAL OR RURAL.
OK, SO THAT'S JUST TAKING A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? NO, MA'AM.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER UPDATE ON THAT NO THRU TRUCKS THAT WE WERE NEEDING TO SHARE WITH SUSSEX OR? YES.
SO THAT'S THE NO THRU TRUCK RESTRICTION THAT KIND OF BALLOONED INTO MINI ROUTES.
I ACTUALLY COMPLETED THE SUMMARIES ON EACH LOCATION TODAY AND SENT THAT OUT FOR EVERYBODY'S REVIEW.
I DID GET A COUPLE OF COMMENTS BACK FROM OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, SO I NEED TO EDIT THAT.
OK, ONCE I'VE GOTTEN THAT EDITED, EVERYBODY'S HAPPY WITH IT.
WE'LL SEND THAT TO MS.. NOT AS WELL FOR ADVERTISEMENT, AND WE'LL ALSO SEND IT TO SUSSEX COUNTY FOR THEIR ADVERTISEMENT AND PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE MR. SIMMONS, DEAN SIMMONS NOW TO TALK ABOUT THE HERITAGE CENTER WATER INTRUSION? MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. STOKES, MR. WHITTEN.
THANK YOU ALL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF UPDATE.
EVERYBODY ELSE IS SINGING COVID IS SLOWING EVERYTHING DOWN SLOWER AND IT SEEMS IT HAS BEEN SO ANYHOW.
ON NOVEMBER, THE 15TH SENT MOSLEY A REQUEST FOR A PROPOSAL FOR THE REPAIR OF THE STARTING WITH THE ROOF AT THE HERITAGE CENTER.
I STILL HAVE NOT RECEIVED EVEN THE PRICE ON THE PROPOSAL CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD AS COVID VACATION HOLIDAYS.
THEY OWE IT TO ME AND THEY'RE GETTING IT TO ME.
SO I DID PROCEED WITH THE ARCADE ROOF AS FAR AS HAVING OUR CONTRACTOR COME OUT THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE HAVE CONTRACT WITH TO LOOK AT THE ARCADE ROOF AND THE REPORT THAT WAS GIVEN TO US ORIGINALLY BY MOSELEY AND HAVE THEM GIVE US A PRICING ON THE ARCADE ROOF BECAUSE THE ARCADE ROOF IS A ROLLED ROOF AND IT'S NOT REALLY HISTORICAL WHAT'S PUT ON AND ACTUALLY THAT ROOF WAS REDONE.
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THERE WAS A STAMP ON THE ROOF WHEN THEY GOT UP THERE AND GOT TO LOOKING AT IT, THEY ONLY STAMPED THE ROOFS.SO I'M WAITING ON THEM TO RETURN A PRICE SO THAT WE CAN COME BACK WITH TO THE BOARD ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH AT LEAST THAT PART OF A PART OF THE PROJECT.
AS FAR AS THE MAIN BUILDINGS, BECAUSE OF THE HISTORICAL NATURE OF THOSE BUILDINGS AND THE TYPE OF MATERIAL AND STUFF THAT WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO USE SLATE OR SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT TIME PERIOD, THEN I DON'T WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT BECAUSE OF UNTIL WE HAVE THE ARCHITECT.
PROPOSAL TO DO THE DESIGN WORK AND ALL ON THAT.
SO THAT'S AN UPDATE ON THE HERITAGE CENTER.
WATER INTRUSION FROM THE DIRECTION THAT YOU ALL GAVE ME, SO WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THE ROOF AND THEN PHASE IT IN.
SO I'M TRYING TO GET IT ROLLING, BUT LIKE I SAID, EVERYONE'S DRAGGING, IT SEEMS TO BE FALLING BEHIND.
THE OTHER UPDATE I HAVE TONIGHT IS A CREW BUILDING.
WE DID RECEIVE THE PLANS FOR THE CREW BUILDING BECAUSE THAT IS UNDER A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
I MEAN, THE PROPOSAL COST ESTIMATES.
I HAVE SENT THOSE PLANS OUT TO OUR ELECTRICAL CONTRACTOR THAT'S ON OWN RETAINER WITH THE COUNTY AND WAITING FOR THEM TO GIVE ME A ESTIMATE SO THAT I CAN PROCEED WITH HAVING THAT WORK DONE.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT ON THAT.
WE HAD RECEIVED THE PLANS AND LIKE I SAID, THE PLANS HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO THE TO THE ELECTRICAL CONTRACTOR.
NEXT, WE HAVE THE CREW BUILDING MR. SIMMONS.
NOW, THE JEFFERSON PARK FIRE STATION RENOVATIONS BY CHIEF PAUL BEAMAN.
GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, AND CONGRATULATIONS OR CONDOLENCES, WHICHEVER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THE CREW BILL.
EXCUSE ME, THE JEFFERSON PARK STATION PROJECT IS STILL UNDER CONTRACT ON TRACK WITH THE DATES THAT I HAD PROVIDED IN A PREVIOUS UPDATE.
I ANTICIPATE TO RECEIVE THE DOCUMENTS TO THAT, TO REVIEW TO SEND OUT FOR BID BY THE 14TH OF THIS MONTH.
I MET WITH THEM VIA PHONE JUST TO GET AN ESTIMATE ON WHERE WE WERE ON EVERYTHING AND WE ARE STILL ON TRACK FOR THAT.
AND AS OF TODAY, I'M NOT SURE.
I SAID AS OF TODAY, EVERYTHING STILL IS FALLING IN LINE WITHIN BUDGET OF WHAT I PROPOSED.
YES, SIR, THEY TOLD ME THEY'D BE ON THE 14TH.
ALL RIGHT, THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, THANK YOU, CHIEF.
NEXT, WE COME TO A POSTPONED ITEM.
[POSTPONED ITEMS]
THE LEASE AGREEMENT FOR THE USE OF A PORTION OF THE PRINCE GEORGE CENTRAL WELLNESS CENTER BETWEEN THE COUNTY OF PRINCE GEORGE AND THE PRINCE GEORGE DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE.YES, MADAM CHAIRMAN, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE DISCUSSED THE LEASE OF A ROOM AT THE CENTRAL WELLNESS CENTER TO THE PRINCE GEORGE DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE.
IT'S HARD TO TALK IN THIS MASK, A LACK OF OXYGEN.
BASICALLY, THE ORGANIZATION WOULD USE THE ROOM FOR ACTIVITIES THAT EDUCATE AND ASSIST RESIDENTS WITH INFORMATION ON CANDIDATES AND VOTING PROCEDURES.
THE LEASE TERM WOULD BEGIN JANUARY 15TH AND WOULD BE RENEWED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND DISCUSSIONS.
WE ARE WE DON'T HAVE A BOARD IS GOING TO HAVE A WORK SESSION ON JANUARY 25TH, WHERE THESE WILL BE DISCUSSED FOR ALL ROOMS WITHIN THE COUNTY.
SO THAT'D BE JUST JUST A FUTURE WORK SESSION WHERE BASICALLY WE'D GO OVER HAVE A SPREADSHEET SHOWING ALL THE POTENTIAL LEASES OF ROOMS WITHIN THE COUNTY, POTENTIAL SPACES FOR DAILY DAILY RENTALS OR ANNUAL RENTALS.
AND SO I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS FROM OUR LAST MEETING.
SHOULD WE SHOULD THE BOARD HAVE A DISCUSSION REGARDING ANY KIND OF FEES OR WAIVER OF FEES OR ROOMS IN GENERAL FOR THE COUNTY, FOR WHETHER IT BE A GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATION OR
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A 501C3 ORGANIZATION? AND AND WE WERE BASICALLY PLANNING TO PRESENT ON THE 25TH LOOKING AT ADJACENT COUNTIES AND TALKING ABOUT A GENERAL FEE STRUCTURE OR WAIVER OF FEES.SO I JUST WANTED TO GO INTO THAT BACKGROUND WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT BECAUSE THAT QUESTION WAS RAISED AT OUR LAST MEETING.
BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THE LEASE IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET THAT HAS ALL THE STANDARD TERMS FOR ALL LEASES THAT WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY, AND THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS PROPERLY ADVERTISED BEFORE THE LAST MEETING.
MADAM CHAIR? YES, SIR? IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT THE BOARD APPROVE THE LEASE FOR THE PRINCE GEORGE DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE TO LEASE A ROOM IN THE CENTRAL WELLNESS CENTER.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? WITHOUT A SECOND, THE MOTION FAILS.
THAT'S THE PROCEDURE OF THE BOARD.
OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS A RESOLUTION.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO ASK IF THERE'S ANY OTHER MOTIONS ON THE FLOOR, OK, IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER MOTIONS ON THE FLOOR ? HEARING NONE, I DECLARE THAT MOTION CLOSED.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A MOTION WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
THE ITEM WOULD BASICALLY DIE ON ITS OWN BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A MOTION WITH A SECOND.
AND IS THERE ANY REASON THAT WE NEED TO STATE WHILE THAT'S NOT BEING APPROVED? BECAUSE WE KNOW THE ISSUE WILL NOT LIE RIGHT HERE.
NO, IT CAN BE BROUGHT BACK UP AT A FUTURE MEETING IF THERE IS CERTAIN REGULATIONS THAT ARE PUT IN PLACE OR FEE STRUCTURES, OR THAT IT CAN BE BROUGHT BACK UP AT A FUTURE MEETING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE BYLAWS.
AGAIN, I WOULD JUST SAY MY COMMENT WOULD BE IS AND AGAIN, THE BOARD HAS VOTED OR NOT VOTED OR HOWEVER, BUT AGAIN, WHEN YOU HAVE ANY ORGANIZATION IRREGARDLESS OF THE NAME AND THERE'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE, WHETHER EVEN WHEN WE HAD THE WHOLE SOLAR FARM ISSUE, WE CAME UP WITH POLICIES AFTER CERTAIN COMPANIES HAD ALREADY SUBMITTED THEIR APPLICATION.
THOSE COMPANIES DIDN'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THOSE GUIDELINES ONCE THEY WERE ADOPTED, BUT THEY DID.
I THINK WE'RE WALKING A VERY DANGEROUS LINE WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I THINK WE'RE OPENING OURSELVES UP FOR A LAWSUIT.
I'LL CONTINUE IN ORDER OF BUSINESS.
[ORDER OF BUSINESS]
A1 RESOLUTION AUTHORIZATION FOR INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT RELATED TO THE COMPLETION OF A DRAINAGE DITCH AT 16400 ALLWOOD ROAD.MS. WALTON? GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. STOKE, MR. WHITTEN.
THIS EVENING, BEFORE YOU, UNDER TAB 13 IS A DRAFT AGREEMENT BETWEEN VDOT AND THE COUNTY TO PERFORM WORK TO CREATE A DRAINAGE EASEMENT IN THE 4300 BLOCK OF ARDWOOD ROAD AND VDOT AND THE COUNTY.
BOTH HAVE RECEIVED NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS IN ARDWOOD ROAD IS ONE OF THE ROADS IN OUR COUNTY THAT IS BEING LOOKED AT EXTENSIVELY BY VDOT, BUT THIS PARTICULAR
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ISSUE IS A STORM WATER ISSUE.VDOT HAS ATTEMPTED SEVERAL SOLUTIONS TO DRAINAGE PROBLEMS IN THIS THIS BLOCK IN THIS AREA OF ARDWOOD ROAD AND HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO DATE TO SUCCESSFULLY ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THE STORM WATER RUNOFF.
AND THE PROPOSED SOLUTION TONIGHT IS AN AGREEMENT WITH VDOT TO ESTABLISH A NEW DRAINAGE DITCH IN THE 1400 BLOCK.
WE DO HAVE THE THIS IS AT THE PROPERTY OWNERS REQUEST AND IS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT AND HAS AGREED TO ANY EASEMENTS REQUIRED TO PERFORM.
THE WORK IN THIS DRAINAGE EASEMENT WILL RUN FROM OUR WOOD ROAD THROUGH THE PROPERTY OWNERS PROPERTY BACK TO THE SWAMP AREA AT THE AT THE REAR OF THE RESIDENTS PROPERTY.
ATTACHED ALSO, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, IS THE ESTIMATE FOR MS. SMITH TO DO THE WORK.
THE ESTIMATE IS FOR SEVENTEEN THOUSAND TWENTY DOLLARS AND AGAIN, THIS FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT, AS WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST WITH VDOT, IS THROUGH THE STORM WATER UTILITY FEE PROGRAM, WHERE FUNDS ARE DEDICATED SOLELY TO PROVIDING STORM WATER IMPROVEMENTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
SO THIS IS AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE AGAIN OF VDOT AND THE COUNTY WORKING TOGETHER TO SOLVE SOME OF THESE ISSUES.
BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND ATTACH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS A SAMPLE A MOTION AND A SAMPLE RESOLUTION.
WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? MADAM CHAIR? IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? SECOND.
IT'S BEEN THE MOTIONS BEEN PUT FORTH BY MR. WEBB AND SECOND BY MR. HUNTER.
CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE, MR. CARMICHAEL? YES.
CAN I JUST ASK MR. WHITTEN A QUESTION JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING SOMETHING IN ORDER.
AND I REMEMBER BACK TO A DISCUSSION YOU AND I HAD WHEN THE MOTION ON THE POSTPONE ITEM FAILED.
YOU SAID IT NEEDED TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD BECAUSE WE HAD A MEMBER ABSENT THAT NIGHT.
BUT I ALSO THOUGHT YOU STATED TO ME THAT SAME MOTION THAT DID NOT GO THROUGH HAD TO COME BACK TO BE VOTED ON.
I THOUGHT YOU SAID THAT WAS IN OUR BYLAWS.
SO I WOULD HAVE BEEN OUT OF ORDER WITH MY MOTION IF THAT SAME MOTION THAT WENT THROUGH THAT NIGHT HAD TO COME BACK.
IT HAD TO COME BACK BECAUSE WE HAD ONE BOARD MEMBER THAT WAS NOT HERE.
THAT WAS A 2-2 TIE, BUT I REMEMBER HIM STATING TO ME THAT SAME MOTION HAD TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD.
AND I MAY BE WRONG, BUT I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU SHARED WITH ME, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IN ORDER HOWEVER IT GOES DOWN.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN ORDER AND DOING IT RIGHT, ACCORDING TO THE BYLAWS.
BECAUSE IF THAT'S THE CASE, MY MOTION WOULD HAVE BEEN OUT OF ORDER.
LOOKING AT THE BYLAWS, IT DOES SAY THE MATTER WOULD BE AUTOMATICALLY ADDED TO THE NEXT BOARD AGENDA, WHICH WE DID, AT WHICH TIME A VOTE WILL BE TAKEN ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION FROM THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
NOT JUST THE MOTION TO BE ON THE FLOOR, RIGHT, WHICH THE MOTION WAS ON THE FLOOR, BUT YOU'RE CORRECT.
IT DID SAY OUR BYLAWS DO STATE THAT A VOTE HAS TO BE TAKEN ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION ORIGINAL MOTION.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU SHARED WITH ME.
I JUST THOUGHT ABOUT IT SITTING HERE, SO I'M ONLY ASKING FOR FOUR TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN ORDER DOING IT THE PROPER WAY.
WELL, IS A MOTION ORIGINAL MOTION DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU? YES, MA'AM.
THE ORIGINAL MOTION WAS TO NOT APPROVE.
I THOUGHT, AM I WRONG? THE ORIGINAL MOTION WAS TO DENY IT, YEAH, RIGHT.
AND IT ENDED UP BEING A 2-2, AND THEN A SECOND MOTION WAS MADE.
AND MADAME CHAIR, YOU SECONDED IT RIGHT.
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WELL, WE CAN DISCUSS LATER.THERE'S A PROCEDURE FOR SECONDING IT IF YOU'VE GOT THE GAVEL.
BUT THAT'S JUST HERE, NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.
BUT BUT YOU BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION LATER THAT WE DID NOT NEED THAT MOTION TO POSTPONE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING BECAUSE BY OUR BYLAWS, BY US BEING ONE MEMBER SHORT AND AUTOMATICALLY WOULD ADVANCE TO THIS AGENDA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
AND I THOUGHT YOU TOLD ME IT WAS THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
I'M JUST SO I MEAN, THAT WAS MY MISTAKE.
YES, ACTUALLY, WE WE DO HAVE TO HAVE A VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION, WHICH WOULD BE TO NOT APPROVE THE LEASE.
WHICH I BELIEVE MR. WEBB MADE MADE THE MOTION.
AND THEN WHAT ABOUT MR. BROWN'S MOTION NOW IS THAT? MY MOTION WOULD BE AN ILLEGAL MOTION.
HIS MOTION ACTUALLY WOULD NOT BE PROPER.
NOT ACCORDING TO ROBERT'S RULES, BUT ACCORDING TO OUR BYLAWS.
THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT UP.
SO, MR. WEBB HAS TO REPEAT HIS ORIGINAL MOTION? YES, SO WE CAN GO BACK TO THAT ITEM.
WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE A VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
WE DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT THE MOTION AGAIN.
WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE A VOTE ON THAT MOTION.
OK, WELL, CAN WE REPEAT THE MOTION SO WE'LL KNOW WHAT WE'RE.
I BELIEVE THE MOTION WAS MADE BY MR. WEBB AND SECONDED BY MR. HUNTER.
TO NOT APPROVE OR TO NOT APPROVE.
THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER THE MOTION.
SO BASICALLY, THE THE MOTION WOULD BE A MOVE THAT THE BOARD NOT APPROVED THE LEASE FOR THE PRINCE GEORGE DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE TO LEASE THE ROOM, SO THAT WOULD BE THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR THAT THE BOARD WOULD HAVE TO VOTE ON.
SO THAT MOTION HAS TO BE VOTED ON AGAIN? CORRECT.
IT HAS TO BE DONE ON A SECOND TIME BECAUSE MR. CARMICHAEL WAS ABSENT RIGHT IN THE FIRST MEETING.
AND SO BASICALLY SINCE HE BASICALLY THE RULES DO REQUIRE A VOTE RATHER THAN JUST RECONSIDERING THAT ITEM.
WHAT'S THE POINT OF US HAVING A TIE VOTE THAT FAILS? ACCORDING TO OUR BYLAWS.
SO BASICALLY, WHATEVER THAT FAILS, IF ALL FIVE MEMBERS WERE HERE, BASICALLY THIS IS A 2-2 VOTE BECAUSE ONE MEMBER ABSTAINED, THEN THE MOTION WOULD DIE LIKE THAT.
BUT UNDER THE BYLAWS, BECAUSE ONE MEMBER WAS ABSENT.
AND IT'S A TIE VOTE, IT AUTOMATICALLY GOES TO THE NEXT MEETING.
AND THE LANGUAGE, AS MR. BROWN STATES, IT DOES STATE A VOTE IS REQUIRED ON THAT ORIGINAL MOTION.
OK, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN ROBERT'S RULES.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, BUT WE HAVE TO GO BY WHAT THE BYLAWS STATE.
YOU NEED TO REPEAT THE MOTION.
YES, I MEAN, I CAN REPEAT IT ONE MORE TIME, BASICALLY JUST THE MOTION IS MOVED AT THE BOARD NOT APPROVED THE LEASE FOR THE FRENCH STORAGE DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE, TO LEASE A ROOM AT THE CENTRAL WELLNESS CENTER.
MADAM CHAIR, THAT'S MY MOTION.
IS THERE A SECOND? DOES IT NEED TO BE? I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE SECOND AGAIN.
WE'RE ACTING ON THE MOTION THAT WAS FROM THE LAST TIME.
RIGHT? THEN WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? MR. BROWN? NO.
MR. CARMICHAEL, NOT TO APPROVE? THAT WAS MY MOTION.
YEAH, THE MOTION WAS NOT APPROVED.
DID YOU CALL MR. CARMICHAEL? SHOULD HAVE BEEN YES.
MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS GETTING SCARY.
IS THIS VOTE? NO, NOT TO ALLOW THEM TO LEASE THE ROOM OR YES TO ALLOW THEM TO RELEASE THE ROOM? NO, WILL NOT ALLOW THEM TO LEASE THE ROOM.
NO THE MOTION IS TO NOT APPROVE THEM.
SO WHEN YOU VOTE YES, YOU'RE VOTING YES TO NOT APPROVE, YOU'RE VOTING YES ON THE MOTION.
SO BY ME, VOTING NO, I VOTED AGAINST THAT.
IF YOU VOTE YES, WHICH I THINK MR. WEBB MEANT TO DO.
I MEANT HE MEANT TO VOTE YES BECAUSE THAT WAS HIS A MOTION A MOTION.
WHEN YOU SAY YES, YOU'RE AGREEING WITH THE MOTION TO NOT APPROVE.
AM I CORRECT? AND YES, FOR ME, MADAM CLERK.
YOU GOT 2-2 WITH A FULL BOARD AND THEN THE MOTION DIES ON CENTER COURT.
IT'S A 2-2 TIE VOTE AND THERE'S ALL MEMBERS WHO ARE PRESENT.
THAT'S HOW THEY VOTED IN ERROR.
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HE VOTED IN ERROR, STATING NO TO THE TO THE LEASE.SO IT'S 2-2 AND STILL FAILS BECAUSE WE HAD IT FAILS BECAUSE WE HAVE A FULL BOARD ENDED UP 2-2, SO THAT'S FINE.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE DOING IT IN ORDER.
A2 RESOLUTION AUTHORIZATION OF A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR DRUG COURT COORDINATOR TO APPLY TO JOHN RANDOLPH FOUNDATION FOR COMMUNITY CONTRIBUTION GRANT.
MR. HUNTER MR. STOKE AGAIN, I'M LORI HENLEY.
I'M THE DRUG COURT COORDINATOR AND MY REMARKS ARE GOING TO BE VERY BRIEF.
I AM HERE REQUESTING A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR A ONE THOUSAND COMMUNITY CONTRIBUTION GRANT FROM THE JOHN RANDOLPH FOUNDATION.
THAT GRANT DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY MATCH FROM THE COUNTY, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM OUR FISCAL AGENT.
IF WE ARE AWARDED THE GRANT, WE WOULD USE THAT TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY SERVICE PROJECTS THAT OUR DRUG COURT CLIENTS MUST COMPLETE AS PART OF THE PROGRAM.
IN THE PAST, SOME OF THE PROJECTS HAVE INCLUDED FEEDING THE HUNGRY AT THE BEACON THEATER.
WE HAD SOMEONE WORKING WITH THE JAMES HOUSE, AND I THINK MOST RECENTLY, YOU WOULD REMEMBER WE HAD A PARTICIPANT WHO ENHANCED SOME OF THE SHRUBBERY AT THE WELCOME SIGN DOWN NEAR THE TRACTOR SUPPLY.
SO WE WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS.
WE WANT TO EXPAND THOSE, AND WE WOULD HOPE THAT THE FUNDING HERE WOULD HELP US TO COMPLETE SOME OF THE PROJECTS FOR THE CLIENTS.
THE GRANT IS DUE ON JANUARY THE 15TH.
WE SHOULD HAVE THE FUNDS IF WE ARE AWARDED THE GRANT BY MARCH THE 15TH AND I DO BELIEVE IN YOUR POCKET THERE IS PROBABLY A DRAFT LETTER AS WELL AS THE RESOLUTION.
QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? NO, MA'AM, I'M GOOD.
HEARING NO QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE RESOLUTION WAS PRESENTED.
IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY MR. CARMICHAEL AND SECONDED BY MR. WEBB.
THANK YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
A3 IS THE RESOLUTION ON THE PERSONNEL POLICY REVISION.
GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND MR. STOKE AND MR. WHITTEN, I CAME TO YOU ON NOVEMBER 23RD WITH A DRAFT POLICY FOR SEPARATION FROM THE COUNTY JUST WITH A COUPLE REVISIONS.
FIRST REVISION WOULD BE IN SECTION 27.3 TO ADD LANGUAGE TO STATE THAT THE EMPLOYEE NEEDS TO HAVE AT LEAST FIVE YEARS OF FULL TIME SERVICE WITH THE COUNTY IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE UNTIL UNTIL THE AGE OF 65 AND THEN IN SECTION 27.3.
SOME LANGUAGE WAS ADDED JUST TO BE CLEAR ON ENROLLMENT, QUALIFYING EVENTS AND THE MEDICARE TRANSITION.
THE BOARD DID ASK ME TO FOLLOW UP WITH SOME ITEMS AND I DID FOLLOW UP ON DECEMBER THE 9TH WITH SOME INFORMATION BACK TO THE BOARD, SO I WOULD ACCEPT ANY QUESTIONS.
AND, MADAM CHAIR, IF THERE'S NO QUESTION I WOULD, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THIS PERSONNEL POLICY REVISION.
CALL THE ROLL, MS. KNOTT, PLEASE.
AND MADAM CHAIR, OH, I WAS TRYING TO CATCH HER WHILE SHE WAS STILL THERE.
I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK YOU, WAS IT POSSIBLE THAT SINCE SHE WAS UP THERE, SHE COULD GO AHEAD A8 BECAUSE THOSE WERE ALL BY HER? SHE HAD ANOTHER ONE.
SHE'S GOT EIGHT, WHICH IS THE POSITION CONTROL CHART CHANGE, DO YOU WANT TO DO EIGHT? YOU WANT TO DO THE CONTROL CHART RESOLUTION.
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MS. HURT.SINCE YOU HAD THOSE OTHER TWO JUST.
I'M BRINGING CHRIS TALMAGE HEEL PRESENT ON A8 FOR YOU, AND I'M JUST HERE.
GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. WHITTEN.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO YOU THE NEED OF A FULL TIME ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT POSITION.
THE FUNDS ARE CURRENTLY AVAILABLE IN THE BUDGET TO FUND THIS POSITION IMMEDIATELY THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF FY TWENTY TWENTY TWO.
CURRENTLY, WE HAVE A PART TIME FLOATER THAT WORKS 32 HOURS A WEEK, AN ADDITIONAL EIGHT HOURS PER WEEK WOULD ALLOW FURTHER PROGRESS IN THE SHOT.
THE POSITION HAS ALREADY PROVEN NECESSARY IN NUMEROUS WAYS.
THIS POSITION WILL MANAGE OFFICE OPERATIONS, ALLOWING ME TO FOCUS ON EMPLOYEE SAFETY, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY A PRIORITY.
HAVING THIS POSITION WILL ALSO OFFSET MY TIME PERFORMING ADMINISTRATIVE TASKS AND ALLOW ME TO FOCUS MORE ON SHOP OPERATIONS, SAFETY, COMPLIANCE AND OSHA STANDARDS.
JOB SAFETY OBSERVATIONS AND ANALYSIS NEED TO BE COMPLETED FOR EACH TASK AN EMPLOYEE PERFORMS OFF OF OBSERVATIONS.
IF THESE DON'T GET COMPLETED, THIS COULD RESULT IN FINES FOR A MOTION.
IMPROVING SAFETY ON ALL VEHICLES DRIVERS.
IMPROVING SAFETY ON ALL VEHICLES FOR DRIVERS AND MAXIMIZING EFFICIENCY AND PRODUCTIVITY.
I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION AND NOW I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? NONE BEING HEARD, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY MR. WEBB AND SECONDED BY MR. BROWN, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? MRS. WAYMACK? YES.
WE'LL GO BACK TO A RESOLUTION A10.
THAT'S THE LAST, THE LAST ONE.
WE HAD YOU HAD ONE MORE, ONE MORE AND I'M DONE.
ONCE AGAIN, WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS THE POLICY FOR HOURS OF WORK AND REMOTE AND REMOTE WORK.
THAT IS A TITLE CHANGE TO THE POLICY BECAUSE WE ARE ADDING AN ENTIRE SECTION ON REMOTE WORK.
WE DISCUSSED THIS ON NOVEMBER 23RD AND AGAIN TONIGHT AT OUR WORK SESSION.
DURING THE WORK SESSION, I DID MENTION TO YOU THAT I WOULD MAKE A REVISION TO THE POLICY.
SO I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT UNDER SECTION TWENTY POINT FIVE UNDER ELIGIBILITY, I AM ADDING LANGUAGE TO SAY.
THAT THE WORK ARRANGEMENT MUST BE AUTHORIZED BY THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR AND APPROVED BY THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
ALSO ADDING LANGUAGE TO SAY EXCEPTIONS MAY BE GRANTED BY THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR AND APPROVED BY THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
AND THEN LASTLY, IN THE SECOND PARAGRAPH IN SECTION TWENTY POINT FIVE, WHERE IT SAYS REMOTE WORK MAY BE DISCONTINUED OR TEMPORARILY SUSPENDED AT ANY TIME AT THE DISCRETION OF THE EMPLOYEES, SUPERVISOR OR DIRECTOR OR BY THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
THERE AREN'T ANY QUESTIONS? I SO MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CHANGE ON THE HOURS OF WORK PERSONNEL POLICY.
IT'S BEEN APPROVED AND SECONDED.
WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? MR. HUNTER? YES.
NOW WE'LL GO BACK TO A4 RESOLUTION REQUEST TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT FOR A WAIVER OF CERTAIN PERMIT FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THE INSTALLATION OF AN 18 HOLE DISC GOLF COURSE AT SCOTT PARK, MS. WALTON.
GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD MR. STOKE MR. WHITTEN.
THIS EVENING, THE REQUEST FROM THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT IS TO WAIVE FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THE INSTALLATION OF THE DISC GOLF COURSE THAT MR. ROTZOLL HAD PRESENTED TO YOU LATE LAST YEAR AND INCLUDES SOME DONATED SERVICES, SOME DONATED LABOR AND SOME SMALL, MINIMAL COST TO THE REC DEPARTMENT, WHICH YOU DID APPROVE.
THERE ARE SOME MINIMAL FEES ASSOCIATED WITH ONE PERMIT REQUIRED FOR THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS THE LAND DISTURBANCE IN YOUR PACKET.
THIS EVENING IS A REVIEW MEMBER FROM MR.
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CHARLES HARRISON, BUILDING OFFICIAL THAT DESCRIBES THAT THE PERMIT AND THE ASSOCIATED FEES WOULD HAVE MINIMAL IMPACT ON OUR DEPARTMENT AND DOES MEET THE PARAMETERS THAT THE BOARD USUALLY CONSIDERS WHEN REVIEWING A REQUEST FOR A FEE WAIVER.AND THOSE PARAMETERS INCLUDE THE MINIMAL IMPACT TO OUR DEPARTMENT, DONATED SERVICES OR LABOR, AS WELL AS INVOLVEMENT OF COUNTY FORCES.
SO IT IS OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU CONSIDER THIS FAVORABLY AND GRANT THE REQUEST FOR THE FEE WAIVER.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IF YOU NEED IT.
NO QUESTIONS, I MAKE A MOTION DO WE ACCEPT IT AS PRESENTED.
THANK YOU, MR. HUNTER AND MR. CARMICHAEL.
WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? MR. BROWN? YES.
A5 RESOLUTION ACCEPTING SECOND RENEWAL OF OPERATIONS AGREEMENT FOR PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY, SOLID WASTE, CONVENIENT CENTERS AT UNION BRANCH OR BIRDSVILLE.
MR. WHITTEN? YES, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD MR. STOKE.
THE COUNTY AND MERIDIAN WASTE, WHICH FORMERLY WAS KNOWN AS THE CFS GROUP, ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT ON JANUARY 10TH, 2012 FOR THE COUNTY'S SOLID WASTE CONVENIENCE CENTERS LOCATED UNION BRANCH AND BURROWS.
THOUGH THE AGREEMENT WAS RENEWED ON JANUARY 10TH, 2017 FOR AN ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR TERM, THE COUNTY AND MERIDIAN DESIRE BOTH DESIRE TO RENEW THE OPERATIONS AGREEMENT FOR AN ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR TERM, ENCLOSED IN YOUR PACKET IS THE SECOND RENEWAL OF THE OPERATIONS AGREEMENT.
THIS WOULD BE THE FINAL RENEWAL OF THIS AGREEMENT, AND STAFF DOES RECOMMEND ACCEPTING THE SECOND RENEWAL OF OPERATIONS AGREEMENT.
BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
DOES THIS INCLUDE THE RECYCLE CENTER? THIS IS FOR 3100 UNION BRANCH ROAD AND 1871 JAMES RIVER DRIVE, SO THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT OF THE COMPLEX.
THIS IS JUST FOR THE MANNED CENTERS WHERE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE STAFF THERE.
I DON'T HAVE I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD, MR. CARMICHAEL.
I'M SORRY, JUST IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, I'LL MOVE THAT TO RESOLUTION BE ACCEPTED, ALL THE WORK THAT THEY PUT IN AND CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD ON THIS LAST TERM.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I THINK MR. BROWN, I CAN WAIT UNTIL SHE'S SORRY BEFORE SHE CALLS FOR THE ROLL.
WE NEED A SECOND, RIGHT? ASK YOU A QUESTION, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO EXCLAIM, I GOT A FAMILY MEMBER, REMEMBER? MM HMM.
BUT THE MOTION IS ON THE FLOOR, SO I HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE SECOND BEFORE I CAN.
YEAH, MADAM CHAIR, MY MY QUESTION WOULD BE AND THERE'S MORE TO MR. WHITTEN, NOT NECESSARILY ANYTHING TO DENY THIS OR WHATEVER, BUT I WOULD REALLY HOPE THAT WE LOOK AT HOW WE CAN WORK BETTER WITH CFS TO COME UP WITH A BETTER FEE STRUCTURE.
THAT'S THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT THAT I HEAR FROM THE CITIZENS IS WHAT IT COSTS WHEN THEY CAN GO, IF I GO IN THERE TWO OR THREE TIMES ON THE SAME DAY.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT PART OF RENEWING, BUT THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING GREAT TO BE DISCUSSING WITH THEM WHILE WE'RE ABOUT TO RENEW A CONTRACT.
SO THAT'S JUST THE ONLY POINT I WANTED TO RAISE WAS, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THIS WAS THE PERFECT TIME TO NEGOTIATE THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IN THE CURRENT CONTRACT IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN THERE ABOUT RATES.
THE CURRENT CONTRACT SAYS THAT IT'S SIX CENTS PER POUND WITH A MINIMUM OF THREE DOLLARS PER VEHICLE OR ONE DOLLAR PER BAG.
I KNOW THAT IN THE LAST CONTRACT, TWENTY SEVENTEEN, IT WENT FROM FOUR CENTS A POUND TO SIX CENTS PER POUND.
THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING TO RAISE THE RATES AGAIN.
IT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO THE RATES DID GO UP.
BUT IF WE WANT TO NEGOTIATE THE RATES, OBVIOUSLY THIS WOULD BE THE TIME.
BUT THEY WOULD WE WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO AN EXTENSION, WHICH I CAN LOOK AND SEE IF THERE'S AUTOMATIC EXTENSION LANGUAGE IN HERE.
I JUST THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING LIKE IF YOU GO IN ON THE SAME DAY, IF YOU'RE MAKING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T HAVE BUT SO MUCH SPACE ON YOUR VEHICLE AND YOU'RE GOING IN TWO OR THREE TIMES, I KNOW PEOPLE ARE SPENDING BIG TIME MONEY TO GO TO UNION BRANCH
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AND I JUST AGAIN, I HATE TO SEE US LOCK IN AND WE AGREE TO THIS.AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY SAY, WELL, HEY, YOU'VE ALREADY RENEWED YOUR CONTRACT, YOU'RE LOCKED IN FOR FIVE YEARS.
I MEAN, WE WOULD BE LOCKED INTO THESE RATES FOR THE FIVE YEARS IF WE WANTED TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM.
IF THE BOARD WANTS TO POSTPONE IT AND WE MR. STOKE CAN HAVE DISCUSSIONS AND MR. [INAUDIBLE] GOING TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH MERIDIAN ABOUT THE RATE STRUCTURE WE CAN.
BUT ONCE WE LOCK INTO THIS FIVE YEAR TERM, WE WOULD BE LOCKED IN.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO ASK THAT QUESTION BEFORE THE MOTION REALLY HIT THE FLOOR.
YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, CAN WE VOTING ON THIS? WELL, GOOD.
NO, WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE ME UNLESS THE ORIGINAL MAKER OF THE MOTION WITHDRAWS FROM US OR WITHDRAW.
THEN BASICALLY, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ON THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MR. CARMICHAEL, BECAUSE HE MADE THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
WITHDRAW HIS MOTION, AND I'D HAVE TO WITHDRAW MY SECOND? CORRECT.
OTHERWISE, I MEAN, WE COULD TALK TO MERIDIAN, BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEES ONE LOCKED INTO WHAT'S YOUR LIFE HERE, RIGHT? CONTRACT THAT THEY WOULD AGREE TO ANY KIND OF RATE CHANGE.
SO MR. CARMICHAEL HAS TO WITHDRAW HIS MOTION? MY ONLY QUESTION.
WHAT IS THE END DATE FOR THIS SERVICE TO END AS OF JANUARY 1ST 22? OR IS IT? IT'S FEBRUARY AND MARCH.
SO IT ACTUALLY EXPIRED YESTERDAY.
SO I WAS TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S THERE'S NOT AUTOMATIC RENEWAL LANGUAGE IN HERE, SO BASICALLY WE WOULD BE OPERATING WITHOUT A CONTRACT IF WE POSTPONE.
SO THAT'D BE THE DANGER UNLESS WE WANTED TO HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR THAT WE APPROVE THE CONTRACT AND STRIKE THE RIGHT LANGUAGE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT MR. BROWN IS SAYING, BUT BACK WHEN WE STARTED THIS CONTRACT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, I COULDN'T SPEAK ON IT BECAUSE I WAS AN EMPLOYEE OF THEIRS.
BUT PRIOR TO, WE HAVE SAVED 180 TO $200000 OF REVENUE TO THE COUNTY EVER SINCE WE OUTSOURCED THIS TO CFS MERIDIAN, WHICH WAS MERIDIAN TODAY.
AND THE RATES WERE WHAT THEY WERE.
I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN LOOKED AT PRIOR TO TONIGHT IF WE WERE GOING TO DISCUSS RATES GOING FURTHER.
BUT EVERYTHING'S ADDRESSED ON HOW MUCH PER POUND AND I'LL STICK WITH MY MOTION TO ACCEPT US AND HOPEFULLY CONTINUE TO SAVE THE COUNTY MONEY OF WHAT WE WERE SPENDING IN THE PAST.
YES, THE CURRENT THIS CONTRACT WOULD START JANUARY 10TH, 2022.
SO THE PREVIOUS CONTRACT WOULD HAVE EXPIRED IF WE DIDN'T APPROVE IT TONIGHT, SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE APPROVE A CONTRACT MOVE IN COURT.
OTHERWISE WE'RE OPERATING WITHOUT A CONTRACT, WHICH IS NOT GOING TO GET GOOD.
THE I'VE D A GOOD IDEA WE COULD MR. STOKE OR MR. SIMMONS COULD MEET WITH MERIDIAN TO TALK ABOUT THE RATE STRUCTURE.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION TO TERMINATE THE CONTRACT, SO WE DO HAVE SOME LEVERAGE, BUT IT MAY BE.
THAT'S THE BETTER COURSE IS TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT TONIGHT AND THEN WE CAN NEGOTIATE WITH THEM ON THE RATE STRUCTURE.
SO THE MOTION JUST HAS TO SAY WE ACCEPT THE CONTRACT.
THAT WOULD BE THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
YOU KNOW, HAVE WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? WE HAVE A SECOND.
OK, SO NOW MS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. CARMICHAEL? YES.
MR. WEBB? I'M STAYING FOR THE FOLLOWING REASON I HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER EMPLOYED BY THIS COMPANY.
A6 RESOLUTION AUTHORITY TO ADVERTISE PUBLIC HEARING, TO SELL TO COUNTY OWNED PROPERTIES LOCATED IN THE RIVER'S EDGE SUBDIVISION ON BUXTON STREET, MR. WHITTEN.
YES, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD MR. STOKE.
PREVIOUSLY, THE BOARD APPROVES SELLING A PARCEL IN RIVER'S EDGE SUBDIVISION AFTER OUR PROPERLY ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARING.
AFTER THE STUDY, CURRENTLY WE'RE UNDER A STUDY PERIOD AND THE PROSPECTIVE PURCHASER HAS INQUIRED ABOUT PURCHASING TWO ADDITIONAL PARCELS THAT ARE LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE ORIGINAL PARCEL.
THE ONE PARCEL DOES CONTAIN UTILITY EQUIPMENT STRUCTURE ON IT AND WOULD HAVE TO BE
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SUBDIVIDED, AND THEN THE OTHER PARCEL IS JUST NORTH OF THAT.THE TWO PARCELS ARE KNOWN AS 15B-02-01-010-0 AND 15B-02-01-011-0.
TALKING TO THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT, THEY DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH SELLING THIS PARCEL.
THESE TWO PARCELS, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO TONIGHT WE'RE REQUESTING THE ADVERTISEMENT OF A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WOULD BE HELD ON JANUARY 5TH, 2022.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IT ONLY HAS TO BE ADVERTISED ONCE FOR A DISPOSITION OF PROPERTY.
DO HERE, A MOTION, MADAM CHAIR, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
THANK YOU, MR. WEBB, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE, MS. KNOTT.
NOW WE HAVE A7, THE 2022 FEE SCHEDULE FOR ANIMALS CONFINED AT THE ANIMAL SHELTER.
AND DID YOU WANT TO? I CAN START OFF AND GET THAT.
CHIEF EARLY CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
BASICALLY, IN NOVEMBER, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED A CHANGE TO COUNTY CODE SECTION 6-149 TO AUTHORIZE THE BOARD ON AN ANNUAL BASIS TO APPROVE THE SCHEDULE OF CHARGES FOR ANIMALS CONFINED AT THE SHELTER.
SO BASICALLY ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, WILL THE BOARD WILL APPROVE THIS FEE SCHEDULE RATHER THAN HAVING TO AMEND THE CODE EACH TIME? I'LL LET CHIEF EARLY SPEAK TO THE SCHEDULE.
THANK YOU, MR.. GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD MR. STOKE.
AS MR. WHITTEN HAS BEEN WORKING WITH US AND GOT SERGEANT NICK WILDER.
HE OVERSEES OUR ANIMAL SERVICES OPERATION.
SO ANY QUESTIONS? HE'S THE MAN WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THEM.
WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS A LIST OF PROPOSED CHARGES THAT I BELIEVE YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU AND THE ADOPTION FEES.
WE WOULD RECOMMEND $100 FOR A DOG, $75 FOR A CAT.
THIS IS MOVING FROM A MORE CONVOLUTED SYSTEM THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, AND THAT'S A $10 ADOPTION FEE, PLUS STERILIZATION FEES, ET CETERA.
THIS WOULD JUST BE A FLAT ONE HUNDRED FOR DOG, A FLAT SEVENTY FIVE FOR A CAT.
AND THOSE FEES WOULD INCLUDE STERILIZATION, SPAY AND NEUTER, RABIES, BORDETELLA AND DISTEMPER SHOTS.
WE WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND OWNER SURRENDER FEE OWNERS SURRENDERING A PET TO BE $30.
THAT'S FROM $25 CURRENTLY AND THEN PICK UP FEES.
WHEN WE PICK UP AN ANIMAL A FIRST OFFENSE, WE WOULD RECOMMEND $30 FOR THE FOR THE FIRST OFFENSE, PLUS $10 A DAY UNTIL THE ANIMALS PICKED UP AND FOR A SECOND OFFENSE WOULD BE $40 PLUS $10 A DAY UNTIL THE ANIMALS PICKED UP AND THIRD OFFENSE $50 PLUS $10 A DAY UNTIL THE ANIMALS PICKED UP.
AND IF AN ANIMAL IS BROUGHT INTO THE SHELTER TO BE QUARANTINED, WE WOULD RECOMMEND AT $10 A DAY CHARGE FOR THAT, THAT'S UNCHANGED.
AND IF AN ANIMAL IS BROUGHT INTO THE SHELTER FOR CRUELTY IMPOUNDMENT, THE CHARGE WOULD ALSO BE $10 A DAY.
BED AND BREAKFAST WOULD BE $10 A DAY FOR AN ANIMAL, AND STAFF IS ALSO PROPOSING A 50 PERCENT REDUCTION IN THE ADOPTION FEES.
OUR SPONSORED EVENTS AND ALSO A 50 PERCENT REDUCTION FEES FOR ANIMALS DEEMED TO HAVE MEDICAL AND OR BEHAVIORAL ISSUES.
CURRENTLY, I THINK EVERY KENNEL AT OUR SHELTER IS FULL, AND THIS LATITUDE WOULD ASSIST US IN FINDING PETS AT HOME AND CLEARING OUT OUR SHELTER.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE SAME FOR EVERYBODY WOULD BE ADVERTISED AT AN EVENT 50 PERCENT OFF FOR EVERYONE.
AND THEN AGAIN, THE ANIMALS THAT ARE DEEMED TO HAVE MEDICAL OR BEHAVIORAL ISSUES THAT WOULD BE IDENTIFIED BY OUR ADOPTION COORDINATOR AND OUR ANIMAL SERVICES SUPERVISOR AND TO MAYBE EXPEDITE FINDING THOSE IDENTIFIED ANIMALS A HOME, A DISCOUNT AS WELL.
AND WE'RE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS YOU MAY HAVE.
YES, WHO DETERMINES THE MEDICAL SITUATION OF THE ANIMAL? THAT WOULD BE THE THE BEHAVIORAL MEDICAL WOULD BE OUR ADOPTION COORDINATOR AND OUR SUPERVISOR.
AND I'M SURE THAT WOULD BE IN CONSULTATION WITH OUR VETERINARIAN.
BUT YOU DO YOU CONSULT THE VET ABOUT THAT? YES, MA'AM.
JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AN UNQUALIFIED PERSON WASN'T DOING THAT? OK AND BEHAVIORAL ISSUES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PRETTY.
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I GUESS THE VET; DOES THE VET HELP WITH THAT, TOO? OK.THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO TAKE ON AN ANIMAL WITH A LOT OF MEDICAL ISSUES ANYWAY, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COST THEM A LOT OF MONEY TO TAKE CARE OF THE ANIMAL.
NOT ALWAYS, BUT A LOT OF TIMES, YES.
AND SOME OF THOSE ANIMALS ARE STAY AT OUR SHELTER FOR QUITE AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.
ARE GOING TO BE COST EFFECTIVE AS WELL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, MA'AM.
I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION AND THIS IS TO YOU, CHIEF.
IF AN ANIMAL IS BROUGHT IN BASED ON CRUELTY OR SOMETHING.
DO YOU THINK THAT FEE SHOULD BE DIFFERENT? THEN THEY JUST A STANDARD TEN DOLLARS A DAY.
BECAUSE I MEAN, IF AN ANIMAL IS BROUGHT IN BECAUSE OF CRUELTY, THEY MAY HAVE TO DEAL WITH SOME ISSUES OF THE VET HAVING TO TREAT THEM OR JUST DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF IT.
SO YOUR TEN DOLLARS PER DAY IS JUST KIND OF COVERING THE NORMAL, AS YOU SAY, ROOM AND BOARD.
IT'S NOTHING TO HELP OFFSET WHAT TYPE OF SERVICES MAY BE NEEDED FOR THAT PET.
BASED ON THE LEVEL OF CRUELTY? YEAH, I WOULD THINK WE WOULD BE DEALING.
THERE COULD BE A LOT OF OTHER SITUATIONS DEALING WITH A CRUELTY CASE.
BUT THE TEN DOLLARS WOULD BE CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD FOR THE BED AND BREAKFAST, IF YOU WILL.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ADD.
SERGEANT WALDEN, WITH THE INVOICES FROM THIS PERTAIN TO ANIMAL HOSPITAL CARRIED TO COURT, AND WE SEEK RESTITUTION FOR THOSE.
AND WITH THE $10, THOSE ANIMALS WOULD BE THERE FOR A MORE EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.
BECAUSE THEY'RE THERE FOR THE DURATION OF COURT, THE FORFEITURE OF THE ANIMAL.
TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT AS WELL.
OK, I'M SATISFIED WITH WHAT YOU STATED THERE ABOUT THE OTHER ISSUE BEING A COURT ISSUE.
MADAM CHAIR, IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THIS FEE SCHEDULE THE ANIMAL FEE SCHEDULE FOR 2022.
A MOTION HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND SECONDED.
WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? MS. KNOTT? MR. WEBB? YES.
A9 IS NEXT, AND THAT'S THE RESOLUTION FOR THE SUPPORT OF THE CASINO FOR PETERSBURG.
THERE ANY DISCUSSION? YEAH, WELL, MADAM CHAIR, AT ONE OF OUR PRIOR MEETINGS, THIS WAS BROUGHT UP THAT SENATOR MORRISSEY WAS ASKING IF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WOULD DO A RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF THE CASINO.
FOR PETERSBERG, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE GOING TO GET IT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER RED TAPE THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE IT.
AT THAT TIME WE POST, WE HAD POSTPONED THE ITEM OR BECAUSE WE WANTED TO GET MORE INPUT, BUT THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT BRINGING THAT BACK TO THE TABLE TONIGHT.
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS MATTER IS.
SO IT WOULD BE THE THE BOARD DOING AN OFFICIAL RESOLUTION TO SENATOR MORRISSEY.
I THINK THERE WAS A RESOLUTION IN OUR BOOK BEFORE IT WAS HAD ALL THE VERBIAGE IN IT.
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS MATTER WAS.
AND IF I WAS WAITING TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY QUESTIONS, IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, I'LL I WOULD MOVE THAT THE BOARD APPROVES THIS RESOLUTION TO SENATOR MORRISSEY IN SUPPORT OF PETERSBURG FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF THE CASINO.
IT'S BEEN PUT FORWARD AND SECONDED DISCUSSION.
DID YOU WISH TO SAY SOMETHING? JUST ONE THING.
YOU KNOW, I'M ALL FOR PETERSBURG.
IF THEY SO CHOOSE, I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A REFERENDUM, THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE ON AS WELL TO GET THAT CASINO.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY OF THE SERVICES THAT WE SHARE WITH PETERSBURG AS FAR AS WATER AND SEWER CAPACITY, THAT WE'RE NOT PROMOTING SOMETHING TO GO ON TO PETERSBURG THAT'S GOING TO END UP TAKING AWAY FROM PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY ABILITY TO KEEP OUR.
SO THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN IS WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE THEY HAVE THAT WE SHARE WITH THAT THEY MAY HAVE TO TAKE ON 100 PERCENT LEAVING US SLIGHTED.
[02:15:03]
BUT MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THAT.IF SHE CAN MOVE FORWARD, WHICH ARE CALLED [INAUDIBLE].
MR. CARMICHAEL, THE PROPOSED SITE, THE PROPOSED OR THE SITE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED RIGHT NOW IS ACTUALLY IN PETERSBURG, ALL TOTALLY ON PETERSBURG UTILITIES, NOT ANYWHERE WHERE WE SHARE WITH THEM.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS IT'S JUST A RESOLUTION SHOWING SUPPORT.
THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO GET THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO APPROVE THEM, PUTTING THIS ITEM ON THEIR BALLOT AS A REFERENDUM.
AS YOU KNOW, RICHMOND IS NOW RECONSIDERING AND WANTS TO GO BACK AFTER IT.
SO THIS IS JUST, YEAH, THERE'S A LONG WAYS DOWN THE ROAD, BUT THE PROPOSED SITE THAT WAS MENTIONED TO US AND I'M NOT SAYING.
YEAH, I'M NOT SAYING WHERE IT IS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE ABLE TO SHARE THAT.
BUT THE PROPOSED SITE IS ACTUALLY IN PETERSBURG ON PETERSBURG UTILITIES.
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I'VE TALKED TO MANY, MANY PEOPLE, AND I'VE ASKED THEM POINT BLANK, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE CASINO? AND EVERYBODY I'VE TALKED TO SAID THEY LIKE THE IDEA.
THEY WANT PETERSBURG TO HAVE IT.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT PARTICULARLY IN FAVOR OF IT, BUT PEOPLE WANT IT SO.
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE YES FOR THIS.
WELL, LET ME MAKE YOUR A MOTION FIRST.
OK, MADAM CHAIR, I WAS SO MOVED THAT DID WE ALREADY DO THE MOTION? YOU ALREADY DID THE MOTION AND YOU SECOND.
OK, SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. CARMICHAEL? NO.
AND DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE US TONIGHT? HAVE WE MISSED ANYTHING? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED.
THE MOTION HAS BEEN PUT FORWARD.
THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.