Nov 17, 2021 Work Session

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GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE, OR GOOD AFTERNOON.

TODAY IS NOVEMBER, THE 17TH IS NOW FOUR O'CLOCK PM.

THE BOARD IS SCHEDULED TO HAVE A WORK SESSION TODAY, BUT WE WILL START WITH MRS KNOTT CALLING THE ROLL MR. BRIAN HERE.

MRS WAYMACK HERE.

MR. CARMICHAEL IS ABSENT.

MR. HUNTER HERE.

MR. WEBB. ALL RIGHT.

I MEAN, WE HAVE ENOUGH, WE HAVE A QUORUM TO MEET.

WE'LL START NOW WITH OUR WORK SESSION MR.

[WORK SESSION]

THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR WORK SESSION THIS EVENING IS A SUMMARY OF OF UTILITY PROJECTS AND SOME PROPOSALS THERE IN DIRECTOR OF UTILITIES FRANK HALTOM WILL BE LEADING THAT DISCUSSION. YOU MAY ALSO HEAR FROM TIME TO TIME FROM OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY OR OUR DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND OUR DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, JEFF STOUT.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER GUESTS THAT YOU WANT TO RECOGNIZE FRANK, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO DO. I WILL INTRODUCE THEM IN JUST A MINUTE.

AND OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT SOME CAPACITY ISSUES IN BOTH OUR WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS. AND AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE AS I PRESENTED AT OUR OCTOBER WORK SESSION, WE ARE COMING CLOSE TO THE FULL CAPACITIES OF OUR CENTRAL WATER SYSTEM AND PART OF OUR GRAVITY SEWER LINE THAT SERVES THE INDUSTRIAL PARK AND RED FOR 60 AREA.

SO WE'VE ALSO HAVE TODAY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT I'M WORE THEM OF THE HOLLINGSWORTH COMPANIES, AND HE'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN IMPACTED BY THIS AS WELL.

AND I THINK HE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MOMENT TO SHARE WITH YOU WHAT THOSE ARE.

SO I'D LIKE TO TURN THE PODIUM OVER TO HIM FIRST, REAL QUICK TO TO LET HIM SHARE HIS THOUGHTS. THAT'LL BE FINE.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU THIS AFTERNOON.

WE'VE HAD A LONG HISTORY OF SUCCESS WITH PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY OVER THE LAST TWENTY FOUR YEARS AND THROUGHOUT THAT PARTNERSHIP WE'VE MADE AND KEPT MANY PLEDGES TO EACH OTHER.

THAT MUTUAL SUPPORT HAS LED MUCH GROWTH IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.

AND AS THEY SAY, SUCCESS FOLLOWS SUCCESS.

AND THIS IS OUR JOINT EFFORTS TO ATTRACT BUSINESS.

PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL.

AND NOW EVEN MORE COMPANIES WANT TO COME HERE PRESENTING THE COUNTY WITH OPPORTUNITIES FOR SUBSTANTIAL GROWTH.

WE'VE CONTINUED TO DO OUR PART AND ARE COMPLETING TWO INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS RIGHT NOW.

ONE OF 200000 SQUARE FEET AND ONE OF SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET READY FOR TENANTS.

WE HOPE AND EXPECT THAT THE COUNTY WILL NOW HOLD UP THEIR PART AND PROVIDE US WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THEY REQUIRE TO BRING HUNDREDS OF JOBS TO PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY.

THE BOARD CAN HELP US IN DOING THAT BY DIRECTING THE UTILITY BOARDS TO CHANGE THEIR PRACTICE, TO ALLOCATE THE UTILITIES TO THESE TWO BUILDINGS THAT ARE READY FOR USE FOR TENANTS THAT ARE READY TO SIGN LEASES AND.

DOCUMENT THAT TO US IN WRITING, SO WE CAN SHARE THAT WITH THESE POTENTIAL TENANTS.

OPPORTUNITIES ARE FLEETING AND ONLY GO TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO REACH OUT AND GRAB THEM, AND WE HOPE AND EXPECT THAT YOU WILL HELP US DO THAT TONIGHT.

THEY. OK, SO.

I'M GOING TO TAKE A MINUTE TO KIND OF GO BACK AND GO OVER WHAT WE WENT OVER AT OUR LAST MEETING JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A HISTORY OF WHERE WE GOT TO, WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

AND AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ONE BOOSTER STATION THAT SERVES THE CENTRAL SYSTEM AND THAT PULLS WATER FROM THE RIVER WATER AUTHORITY.

AND THAT PIPELINE COMES ACROSS A TEMPLE AVENUE BRIDGE.

CURRENTLY, THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S IN PLACE THAT BOOSTER STATION IS LOCATED OVER IN NEAR MIDDLE ROAD ON JEFFERSON PARK AVENUE.

SO WHEN IT'S PULLING WATER, IT'S PULLING SUCTION FROM A VERY LONG DISTANCE FROM ALL THE WAY BACK TO COLONIAL HEIGHTS ACROSS THE TEMPLE AVENUE BRIDGE.

SO THERE'S A WE HAVE TO MODERATE THE AMOUNT OF WATER WE WE PULL BECAUSE WE CAN'T ALLOW THAT WATER THAT'S ON THE SUCTION SIDE TO DROP BELOW 20 PSI.

SO TO DO SO, WE CANNOT PULL THE FULL IMPACT OF WATER OR THE FULL AMOUNT OF WATER THAT'S

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SO RIGHT NOW, BASED ON ON THE WAY WE HAVE TO OPERATE THAT SYSTEM, WE CAN ONLY PULL ANYWHERE BETWEEN ONE ONE TO ONE POINT TWO MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.

AND THAT SERVES ALL OF THE CENTRAL SYSTEM, WHICH IS THE PUDDLE DOCK AREA, THE INDUSTRIAL PARK, THE SOUTH POINT BUSINESS PARK ALL AROUND 460 AND MULTIPLE NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, INCLUDING VERSUS THE STATE'S CEDARWOOD AND SETTLEMENT CITY WATER, BUT CYPRESS CREEK AND SEVERAL OTHERS.

SO THAT ONE POINT.

THAT ONE MILLION GALLONS PER DAY IS ABOUT ALL WE'RE GETTING, AND SO WE ARE COMING UP TO A CAPACITY ISSUE NOW THAT SERVES THE BUSINESS PARK THAT HAS SOME SIGNIFICANT NEEDS RIGHT NOW, AND I WANT TO GET INTO THAT IN JUST A MINUTE.

OUR SUPPLY THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO GET FROM ARWA IS TWO POINT SEVEN MILLION GALLONS PER DAY, ROUGHLY AVERAGING THAT OR ROUNDING THAT UP.

SO WE STILL HAVE ONE POINT TWO TO ONE POINT SEVEN MILLION GALLONS PER DAY AVAILABLE TO US. AND NOW WE JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS WE NEED TO DO TO GET THE GET. TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT ONE POINT TWO TO ONE POINT SEVEN MGD.

AND I WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT HERE IN JUST A MINUTE, BUT VERY QUICKLY WANT TO SUMMARIZE THE WASTEWATER CAPACITY ISSUES AS WELL.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO WASTEWATER PUMP STATIONS THAT SERVE THE BUSINESS PARK.

AND AGAIN, THIS THIS WASTEWATER CAPACITY ISSUE IS REALLY FOCUSED ON JUST THE BUSINESS PARK AREA AND RAV4 60 IS NOT A COUNTYWIDE ISSUE.

WE HAVE ONE 12 INCH GRAVITY SEWER MAIN THAT ALL OF THE SEWER FROM THE BUSINESS PARK AND THE ROUTE FOR 60 CORRIDOR COMES THROUGH, AND IT'S NEAR CAPACITY NOW.

SO THERE'S A.

OF SOME CHALLENGES BECAUSE OF THAT 12 INCH GRAVITY SEWER BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF RAT FOR 60 TO.

HOW DO WE ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES? SO WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A PLAN AND WE'RE WORKING WITH SOME CONSULTANTS NOW TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT PLAN MIGHT LOOK LIKE.

THE COUNTY CURRENTLY HAS AN AGREEMENT WITH PETERSBURG, IS SIGNED UP TO ONE POINT MILLION ONE MILLION GALLONS PER DAY OF WASTEWATER TO THEIR PUMP STATION THAT'S LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF ROUTE 460 AND COURTHOUSE ROAD.

SO THAT IS OUR LIMIT THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO SEND.

BUT RIGHT NOW, WE CAN'T EVEN SEND THAT TO THEM BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRICTION OF THAT 12 INCH PIPE. SO ONCE WE DO FIND OUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO SOLVE THAT CONSTRICTION, WE STILL HAVE ABOUT ZERO POINT FOUR MGD AVAILABLE BECAUSE WE'RE CURRENTLY SENDING PETERSBERG ABOUT ZERO POINT SIX FGD.

BUT THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE SERVICE AREA THAT INCLUDES THE SCHOOLS, THIS COURTHOUSE FACILITY, AS WELL AS THE BAXTER RIDGE AREA.

SO WE HAVE A BAXTER ROAD AREA, EXCUSE ME.

SO WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT ZERO POINT FOUR MGD AVAILABLE AND CAPACITY THAT WE CAN SEND THROUGH THE CITY OF PETERSBURG.

SO WHATEVER SOLUTION WE HAVE THAT WE COME UP WITH, WE'RE HOPING TO UTILIZE THE REMAINING THAT CAPACITY TO SERVE THE BUSINESS PARK IN THE RAV4 60 AREA.

THOSE ARE THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE UP AGAINST TODAY.

AND JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE HISTORY.

BACK IN 2019, I TALKED TO ONE OF OUR CONSULTANTS WHO ACTUALLY OPERATES OUR MODEL.

AND WE HAD ABOUT THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND GALLONS PER DAY AVAILABLE OF WATER AND ABOUT 100000 GALLONS PER DAY OF SEWER AVAILABLE TO SERVE THE BUSINESS PART.

THAT BEING SAID, WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE CONNECTIONS SINCE THEN, AND THAT'S EVEN JUST SINCE THIS. THIS YEAR, WE'RE GETTING READY TO ADD THE MIDDLE SCHOOL THEY'RE READY TO CONNECT.

THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING TO SANITIZE THEIR LINE AND GET CONNECTED REALLY, REALLY SOON.

HARDEE'S, THE 7-ELEVEN BOTH ON ROUTE FOUR 60 ACROSS THE STREET FROM ONE ANOTHER.

WE RECENTLY CONNECTED THE FOOD LION WATER SYSTEM, AND THAT WAS CONNECTED TO SATISFY THE FIRE FLOW REQUIREMENTS THAT SOME OF THE TENANTS OR THE CUSTOMERS THAT WE HAVE THERE IN ORDER TO GET THEIR PERMANENT CEO THAT WE NEEDED TO PROVIDE THAT CONNECTION.

SO THEY WOULD THEY WOULD MEET THEIR FIRE FLOW REQUIREMENTS.

AND MOST RECENTLY, SERVICE CENTER MIDDLE'S HAS COME IN.

AS YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNOR HAS ANNOUNCED THEY'RE BUILDING INTO THE BUSINESS PARK.

SO WE HAVE ASSUMED THAT ONCE THE SENSE THEY HAVE ALREADY SUBMITTED THEIR SITE PLANS, THEY ARE THE NEXT IN LINE TO BE APPROVED THAT THEY WOULD TAKE THAT REMAINING CAPACITY THAT'S AVAILABLE SPECIFICALLY ON THE SEWER ON THE SEWER SIDE.

KNOTT ALL OF THOSE THAT ARE ON THE WATER SYSTEM AND EVEN THOSE ON THE WATER SYSTEM DON'T HAVE THE SAME SEWER CAPACITY NEEDS.

SO EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE 100000 GALLONS AVAILABLE OF WATER, I MEAN OF SEWER, THEY'RE NOT USING THAT FULL AMOUNT.

EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN SEE THAT THE WATER NEEDS ARE SIGNIFICANT, THE SEWER NEEDS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. SO ONLY HARDY'S 7-ELEVEN AND SERVICE CENTER METALS WOULD NEED WOULD TAKE UP SOME OF THAT CAPACITY FOR THE SEWER.

SO OUR ESTIMATED CAPACITY IS RIGHT NOW ASSUMING THAT ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE COMPLETED, WE WOULD HAVE ABOUT FIFTY NINE THOUSAND GALLONS PER DAY OF WATER AVAILABLE.

THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE EXTENSION OF THE RUTIN WATER LINE TO SERVE THE BEACHWOOD MANNER

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WE ACTUALLY HAVE ALREADY STARTED TO DESIGN.

THOSE PLANS ARE ACTUALLY HERE FOR REVIEW NOW, AND WE ARE ALSO WAITING ON WORD FROM CONGRESSMAN MCEACHIN AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE FUNDING FOR THAT PROJECT IS BEING FUNDED BY BY HIS EARMARKS THROUGH CONGRESS.

SO WE'RE STILL WAITING TO HEAR IF THAT'S BEEN FUNDED.

IF SO, THEN THEN THAT'S ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WOULD REDUCE THAT CAPACITY, AS YOU'LL SEE.

THAT'S ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY THOUSAND GALLONS PER DAY, AND THAT WOULD MEAN THAT WE HAVE OVERCOMMITTED AT THIS POINT.

SO IF WE DO MOVE FORWARD THAT PROJECT, OF COURSE, THAT PROJECT IS GOING TO TAKE ANOTHER YEAR OR SO TO COMPLETE ONCE WE DO FIND OUT IF FUNDING HAS BEEN MADE AVAILABLE.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE FIVE THOUSAND GALLONS PER DAY AVAILABLE FOR THE SEWER OVER THE LAST FOUR WEEKS, WE HAVE GOTTEN OVER 600000 GALLONS PER DAY IN REQUESTS FOR WATER.

THAT DOES INCLUDE SERVICE IN OUR MEDALS.

AND WE'VE GOTTEN OVER ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY THOUSAND GALLONS PER DAY IN REQUEST TO CONNECT TO THE SEWER FOR THOSE TWO SYSTEMS THAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.

THERE ARE OTHER REQUESTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY THAT DON'T IMPACT THESE CAPACITIES.

THOSE ARE STILL MOVING FORWARD AND THOSE ARE BE IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE COUNTY, LIKE ROUTE 301, ONE SOUTH ROAD AREA.

SO OUR FOCUS TONIGHT IS SPECIFICALLY HOW DO WE BETTER SERVE OUR CENTRAL SYSTEM CUSTOMERS AND OUR SOUTH POINT BUSINESS PARK AND THE RAV4 60 CORRIDOR? WE HAVE ALREADY ENGAGED AT DEWBERRY ONCE AGAIN TO TRY TO GIVE US A A MORE OR BETTER UNDERSTANDING WHAT OUR ACTUAL CAPACITIES ARE.

SO WE HAVE CUT THEM LOOSE AND THEY HAVE STARTED THAT.

IT'S ABOUT A SIX TO EIGHT WEEK PROCESS AND THEY WILL ANALYZE THE WATER BASED ON OUR OUR OUR TRENDS THAT WE'RE SEEING ON OUR PUMPING CAPACITIES OR PUMP RUNTIMES AT THE BOOSTER STATION, AS WELL AS OUR PUMP RUN TIMES THAT OUR SEWER STATIONS, THEY WILL SEE WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY SENDING TO OUR CUSTOMERS AND WHAT WE ARE BILLING OUR CUSTOMERS TO GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT OUR AVERAGES ACTUALLY ARE.

AFTER THAT, WE'LL HAVE THAT AVERAGE.

THEY NEED TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THAT CAPACITY BASED ON WHAT FOLKS HAVE ACTUALLY ARE REQUESTING. FOR INSTANCE, SERVICE CENTER METALS WHEN THEY'VE MADE THEIR REQUEST FOR ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY THOUSAND GALLONS PER DAY, THAT'S FOR THEIR FULL BUILDOUT.

THEY'VE MADE KNOTT OCCUR IN YEAR ONE THAT PROBABLY WOULD OCCUR IN YEAR THREE OR FOUR.

ONCE THEY REACH THEIR FULL BUILDOUT, WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE CUSTOMERS ALREADY WHO HAVE ALREADY BUILT TO HAVE NOT REACHED THEIR FULL CAPACITY BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE NOT REACHED THEIR FULL BUILDOUT. SO WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT AS WELL TO ENSURE THAT SINCE THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED TO CONNECT FOR THAT CAPACITY, THAT WE DO HAVE THAT CAPACITY RESERVED FOR THEM FOR THE FUTURE.

SO HOW DO WE RESOLVE THESE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE UP AGAINST RIGHT NOW? OBVIOUSLY, THE BOARD HAS ALREADY TAKEN SOME STEPS TO ADDRESS OUR LONG TERM WATER AND SEWER CAPACITY NEEDS.

YOU'VE ALREADY SECURED A DISCHARGE PERMIT, SHOULD YOU? AT THE TIME, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL FOR A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN.

WE ALSO EVALUATED THOSE OPTIONS FOR A TO ADD SIX MGD TO TO BE ABLE TO CONVEY SIX MGD OF WASTEWATER NEW WASTEWATER CAPACITY AT THE PARK AND CONVEY THAT TO EITHER THROUGH A NEW PUMP STATION AND FORCE ME TO HOPEWELL OR THAT WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.

AND BOARD HAS SINCE AUTHORIZED THE PROCUREMENT FOR THE DESIGN OF THE PUMP STATION AND FORCED ME INTO HOPEWELL.

SO THE BOARD HAS TAKEN SOME ACTION TO TO SECURE OUR LONG TERM WASTEWATER NEEDS.

AND ALSO BACK IN APRIL OF 19, WE SUBMITTED THE BOARD AUTHORIZED TO THE SUBMISSION OF A PERMIT TO DECC TO TO WITHDRAW WATER FROM AFRAMAX RIVER WATER AUTHORITY, THE SEWAGE FROM THE APPOMATTOX RIVER THROUGH DEC.

FOUR, UP TO EIGHT MILLION GALLONS PER DAY TO BUILD A NEW WATER TREATMENT PLAN.

THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS, AND WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT PERMIT PROCESS. AND BASED ON RECENT DISCUSSIONS WITH DEQ AND VMC, IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE PROBABLY SEVERAL MONTHS AWAY FROM OBTAINING THAT PERMIT.

AND THE BOARD HAS ALSO AUTHORIZED THE DESIGN FOR THE NEW TANK AND BOOSTER STATION TO INCREASE WATER SUPPLY FROM OTTAWA AND THAT SPECIFICALLY THE TEMPLE AVENUE TANK AND BOOSTER STATION THAT'S BEEN APPROVED BY THIS BOARD BEFORE IN MONTHS PAST.

BUT WE'VE BEEN HITTING SOME HURDLES TO GET THAT NET PROJECT COMPLETED.

NOW I'LL GO THROUGH THAT HERE IN JUST A MINUTE AS WELL.

SOME SHORT TERM PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED NOW THAT WE ARE DEFINITELY UP AGAINST OUR CAPACITY, WE HAVE I JUST MENTIONED THE TEMPLE AVENUE TANK AND BOOSTER STATION THAT WOULD ADD APPROXIMATELY ONE MILLION GALLONS PER DAY OF THE AURA SUPPLY TO OUR CENTRAL SYSTEM. AND I SHOW UP THERE THAT'S ABOUT A TWENTY FOUR TO 30 MONTH PROGRAM MONTH PROJECT,

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OBVIOUSLY, WHEREVER THAT TANK IS GOING TO BE, THE LONGER THE FURTHER IS AWAY FROM THE EXISTING PIPELINE, THE MORE PROJECT COST AND THE MORE PROJECT TIME IT WOULD TAKE TO COMPLETE THAT PROJECT.

WE DO HAVE IDENTIFIED SOME IDEAL LOCATIONS, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO TO ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY FOR WHATEVER REASONS.

SPECIFICALLY, THE THE THERE SOME FOLKS ARE HOLDING OUT FOR BETTER OFFERS WE HAVE AND I'LL GET TO THIS IN A MINUTE TWO. BUT WE HAVE TALKED TO SOME LAND ACQUISITION COMPANIES TO HELP ASSIST US AND GETTING THAT LAND ACQUIRED ALONG WITH THE NEXT PROJECT THAT'S ON THIS LIST AS WELL. SO.

WE ARE GETTING THERE ON THAT PROJECT, BUT IT'S STILL GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME, BUT WE ARE MOVING A LITTLE BIT FASTER NOW THAT WE ARE AT THIS, AT THIS CROSSROADS.

THE NEXT PROJECT THAT WE COULD LOOK FORWARD TO DOING IS JUST INCREASING OUR 16 INCH WATER LINE THAT COMES ACROSS THE TEMPLE AVENUE BRIDGE, INCREASING THAT LINE FROM 16 INCH TO A TWENTY FOUR INCH AND PLACING THAT LINE UNDER THE RIVER.

CURRENTLY, THAT'S 16 INCHES ATTACHED TO THE BOTTOM OF THAT BRIDGE.

AND THAT IS ONE OF OUR MOST CRITICAL ASSETS RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY DURING THE WINTER THAT THAT PIPE HAS HAD SOME TENDENCIES TO SEPARATE BECAUSE AS THE BRIDGE FREEZES AND EXPANDS AND CONTRACTS, IT PULLS SOMETIMES THAT PIPELINE APART, AND IT'S CAUSED PROBLEMS IN THE PAST BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S BEEN MOUNTED UP THERE.

SO PUTTING THAT PIPELINE UNDER THE RIVER WOULD MAKE IT MUCH MORE SECURE AND WOULD PREVENT THAT ISSUE FROM HAPPENING AGAIN.

SO WE WOULD DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE TO TO HAVE THAT PROJECT COMPLETED AND INCREASING IT TO TWENTY FOUR INCHES, BUT ALLOW US TO GET THE FULL CAPACITY THAT'S AVAILABLE FROM ARWA THAT WILL ALLOW THAT TO POINT SEVEN OF MGD AND EVEN MORE IF IF OIL WOULD ALLOW.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS WOULD COULD ALLOW THAT TO OCCUR.

THERE'S NOTHING TO PREVENT US FROM PULLING MORE THAN OUR PERMITTED ALLOCATION, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DEFINITELY NEED TO TO DISCUSS WITH ARWA.

THE ROUTE 156 TANK AND BOOSTER STATION IS ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE WOULD PURSUE AGAIN, THAT WOULD ADD ANOTHER ONE MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S ANOTHER TWENTY FOUR MONTH PROJECT, BUT ALSO REQUIRES LAND ACQUISITION.

THIS IS A CONNECTION TO THE VIRGINIA AMERICAN WATER SUPPLY.

SO THIS IS A BRAND NEW SUPPLY THAT WE'VE INTRODUCED INTO THE COUNTY THAT CURRENTLY DOES NOT EXIST. NOT ONLY IS THAT BENEFICIAL FOR THE ADDITIONAL SUPPLY, BUT IT'S ALSO BENEFICIAL TO HAVE A REDUNDANT WATER SOURCE.

SO SHOULD ARWA NOT BE AVAILABLE TO US OR THAT SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THOSE PIPELINES, WE WOULD STILL HAVE THIS REDUNDANCY TO PROVIDE WATER TO OUR CUSTOMERS IN THE COUNTY.

AGAIN, THIS ONE WOULD ALSO REQUIRE LAND ACQUISITION.

THIS ONE WOULD, I WOULD THINK, WOULD HAVE A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO ACQUIRE LAND.

SO THERE'S SOME LAND OUT THERE THAT'S NOT VERY ACCESSIBLE FOR DEVELOPERS TO BUILD ON THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF AND WILL BE AGAIN HIRING A LAND ACQUISITION COMPANY TO HELP ASSIST US WITH ACQUIRING A LAND.

SO THAT'S THE WATER PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED FOR THE SHORT TERM TO TRY TO INCREASE CAPACITY ON THE SEWER SIDE.

WE REALLY ONLY HAVE TWO OPTIONS.

THE FIRST OPTION THAT WE LOOKED AT LAST TIME I CAME ACROSS CAME AND PRESENTED THIS TO THE BOARD WAS REALLY JUST A 12 INCH GRAVITY SEWER.

THAT'S A LONG RULE FOR 60 AND POSSIBLY DIGGING THAT UP AND INCREASING THAT PIPE TO A 15 OR EIGHT INCH, 18 INCH SEWER LINE THAT WOULD MEET OUR CAPACITY NEEDS.

SORRY, I GUESS I WENT THE WRONG WAY.

SORRY ABOUT THAT, AFTER LOOKING INTO THIS FURTHER AND TRYING TO FIND A LITTLE BIT QUICKER SOLUTION. WE WERE ABLE TO FIND A MEANS OF REROUTING THE EIGHT INCH FORCE MAIN THAT SERVES THE INDUSTRIAL PARK AND REROUTING THAT AROUND THAT 12 INCH GRAVITY LINE TO AVOID THAT CAPACITY ISSUE AND TIE THAT IN DIRECTLY TO THE PETERSBERG PUMP STATION.

WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT ON IS THAT CAPACITY ANALYSIS THAT DHUBRI IS WORKING ON TO ENSURE THAT WE DO THAT, THAT'S GOING TO GIVE US STILL THE CAPACITY THAT WE NEED THROUGH THAT EIGHT INCH LINE.

SO ANY WE ALREADY HAVE SOME SEWER FLOW ON THAT EIGHT INCH FORCE MEAN, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT FLOW IS.

THEY COULD PASS. THE ANALYSIS WOULD TELL US WHAT THE EXISTING FLOW IS AND WHAT'S AVAILABLE, WHAT'S REMAINING AVAILABLE IN THAT EIGHT INCH LINE.

IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS THAT IS GOING TO ALLOW US TO HAVE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF THE INDUSTRIAL PARK, THEN THAT IS SOMETHING WE WOULD DEFINITELY PURSUE.

BUT WE REALLY NEED TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT THAT CAPACITY ANALYSIS TELLS US AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT'S GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL TO THE COUNTY TO REALLY POUR IN SOME MONEY INTO THIS PROJECT TO TO GET THE CAPACITY NEEDS.

THEN THERE'S SOME, I GUESS, SOME POSSIBLE IMMEDIATE OPTIONS THAT THE BOARD COULD

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THEY'VE ASKED IF WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD ALLOW THEM TO INSTALL A WELL OR COULD THEY INSTALL A SEPTIC SYSTEM OR DO SOME PUMP AND HAUL OPERATIONS.

THEY'VE ALSO ASKED WHETHER THEY CAN PUT SOME ON SITE STORAGE FOR THEIR SEWER AND INSTEAD OF HAVING COMING IN DURING THE PEAK FLOW TIMES TO ALLOW IT TO COME IN DURING THE OFF PEAK HOURS. ALL OF THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'D BE WILLING TO CONSIDER, BUT EACH ONE OF THOSE WOULD REQUIRE A BOARD ACTION BECAUSE THOSE ARE WOULD GO AGAINST OUR CURRENT COUNTY ORDINANCE, WHICH REQUIRES THOSE DEVELOPMENTS TO CONNECT TO THE PUBLIC UTILITY SO THEY WOULD NEED FOR FOR BOTH EITHER THE WELL AND THE SEPTIC SYSTEM OR WHATEVER SEWER SOLUTION WOULD BE ON SITE WOULD NEED TO HAVE PERMISSION FROM THIS BOARD OR WAIVER FROM THIS BOARD TO DO THAT SOLUTION EITHER TEMPORARY OR EVEN PERMANENT.

CURRENTLY, AS OUR ORDINANCE ALSO SUGGESTS, IF AS AVAILABILITY AS WATER OR SEWER CAPACITY BECOMES AVAILABLE, THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO CONNECT.

WE HAVE MADE SOME CHANGES TO THAT ORDNANCE IN RECENT PAST TO SAY IF THEY HAVE A EXISTING SYSTEM THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE, THAT'S OPERATE AND EFFECTIVELY THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO TO CONNECT UNTIL THAT SYSTEM FAILED.

HOWEVER, THIS WOULD BE WOULD THIS BE CONSIDERED A TEMPORARY USE? AND THIS WOULD BE AGAIN FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION.

IF THEY WERE TO APPROVE, IT WOULD BE APPROVED FOR A TEMPORARY PURPOSE AND REQUIRED THEM TO CONNECT LATER. OR WOULD THEY BE ALLOWED TO MAKE IT A PERMANENT INSTALLATION OF A WELL OR SEPTIC SYSTEM? SO EACH OF THOSE WOULD BE A BOARD DECISION.

AND OBVIOUSLY FROM THE UTILITY STANDPOINT, WE NEED THE CUSTOMERS.

WE WANT THOSE CUSTOMERS TO HELP OFFSET THE EXPENSES OF THE UTILITY.

SO CURRENTLY, AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE ALREADY GOING THROUGH SOME LAND ACQUISITION EFFORTS.

WE I'VE BEEN SPEAKING TO A COUPLE OF LAND ACQUISITION COMPANIES TO ASSIST US.

I'M EXPECTING SOME PROPOSALS FROM THEM IN THE NEXT WEEK AND HOPE AND THOSE SPECIFICALLY THOSE TO TASK.

THOSE TASKS WOULD BE TO IDENTIFY THE PROPERTY FOR THE TWO TANKS AND BOOSTER STATION PROJECTS. WE MAY ADD TO THAT LIST LATER ON AS WE IDENTIFIED THE POSSIBLE ROUTE FOR THE SEWER SOLUTION.

ONCE WE KNOW THAT ROUTE AND WE CAN CONFIRM THAT THAT ROUTE THAT THAT FORCE MAIN COULD BE USED TO MEET FUTURE CAPACITIES, THEN WE COULD ALSO USE THEM TO TO OBTAIN SOME EASEMENTS FOR THOSE PROJECTS.

SO THAT'S STILL TO BE DETERMINED.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE DEWBERRY, AS I MENTIONED ALREADY THERE, DOING THE CAPACITY ANALYSIS.

I HOPE TO HAVE THAT IN ABOUT TWO MONTHS COMPLETED AND THAT WILL ADDRESS WHAT OUR EXISTING CAPACITY IS AS WELL AS WHAT'S WHAT WE CAN CURRENTLY ALLOW OTHER COMPANIES TO COME IN AND LOCATE INTO THE COUNTY.

WE ARE, AS I MENTIONED ALREADY, WE ARE DISCUSSING SOME SCENARIOS FOR THAT SHORT TERM WASTEWATER SOLUTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE 12 INCH GRAVITY WOULD.

IS IT BEST TO WORK ON THE 12 INCH GRAVITY SYSTEM OR DO THE FORCE MAIN OPTION? AGAIN, WE ARE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

WE EVEN CONSIDER DOING A DESIGN BUILD TYPE SOLUTION TO TRY TO MAKE THIS QUICKER.

BUT THAT WOULD TAKE A NEW POLICY BY THE BOARD, WHICH I BELIEVE THE BOARD HAS RECENTLY ALREADY DISCUSSED IN RECENT PAST AND HAS TURNED DOWN FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.

WE CAN DISCUSS THAT LATER, IF YOU LIKE, BUT THAT WOULD STILL TAKE A NEW ORDINANCE, WHICH WOULD TAKE SOME TIME TO TO PUT IN PLACE.

ARE YOU IN THIS BUTTON BY ACCIDENT? SO TODAY I'M REQUESTING THE BOARD GIVE US A CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH EITHER ISSUING AN RFP OR REQUEST AND PROPOSALS FOR THE DESIGN OF THESE PROJECTS, WHICH ARE THOSE PROJECTS HAVE ALREADY IDENTIFIED.

WE DO HAVE FUNDS AVAILABLE IN OUR UTILITY SIPTU TO TO PAY FOR THAT DESIGN COST.

AND THEN WE WOULD BRING THAT BACK TO A FUTURE BOARD MEETING, LIKELY IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY. THERE IS A POSSIBILITY WE COULD MEET IT NEXT WEEK IF WE CAN KEEP THOSE PRICES UNDER OUR THRESHOLD AT THE FOR THE STATE PROCUREMENT LAWS.

WE COULD POSSIBLY GET PROPOSALS THIS WEEK OR EARLY NEXT WEEK THAT WE CAN GET AWARDED AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING ON NEXT TUESDAY.

SO ALL OF THAT IS DEPENDENT ON GETTING INFORMATION FROM THESE CONSULTANTS.

THOSE PROPOSALS FROM THOSE CONSULTANTS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN GET THOSE DONE IN NOVEMBER, BUT IF NOT, EVEN SOME OF THESE PROJECTS ARE GOING TO BE MORE THAN ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND. WE DO RECOMMEND PUTTING THOSE OUT.

THERE IS AN RFP TO TO PROCURE THOSE SIMPLY BECAUSE OF PROCUREMENT LAWS AND IN TRYING TO AVOID ANY LAWSUITS FROM FOLKS THAT SAY WE DIDN'T DO THIS FAIRLY.

I KNOW WE HAD DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY SOME ALTERNATIVE METHODS.

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I DO HAVE SOME MAPS THAT IF YOU WANTED TO SEE ANY OF THE INFORMATION ON OUR GIS, I DO HAVE THOSE AVAILABLE IN THIS PRESENTATION, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THEM.

AND IF YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE HOLLINGSWORTH COMPANY, MR. WALLIN IS STILL HERE AND YOU'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.

AND BOARD MEMBERS, I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION.

I HAVE PLENTY OF OPINION AND I'LL WAIT TO LAST AS ALWAYS SO AS NOT TO INFLUENCE ANYBODY.

SO I'LL START TO MY LEFT, MRS. WAYMACK. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO BRING UP REGARDING THIS? YES. CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE THE BOOSTER STATION ON ONE FIFTY SIX WOULD BE LOCATED? IS THAT WHAT WE DON'T HAVE LAND FOR? WELL, WE DON'T HAVE LAND FOR IT, RIGHT THIS MOMENT.

BUT IF YOU LOOK ON THIS MAP, YOU CAN SEE PRINCE GEORGE DRIVE AND THAT BLUE LINE WHERE IT SAYS IT GOES ALL THE WAY UP TOWARDS THE HOPEWELL LINE, WHICH IS AT THE VERY TOP OF THE MAP. YOU CAN SEE AT ONE POINT FIVE MGD BOOSTER STATION, IT WOULD BE IN THAT VICINITY.

DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RIGHT THERE NEAR THE NEAR THE LINE.

VARGO AMERICAN WATER HAS SERVES A GOOD PORTION OF THE COUNTY ALREADY.

IN FACT, IT SERVES BURCHETT STATES AND SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS ON MIDDLE ROAD.

SO THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO LOCATE THAT BOOSTER STATION ANYWHERE IN THAT VICINITY FROM MIDDLE ROAD UP UP PRINCE GEORGE DRIVE BEFORE IT GETS INTO THE COUNTY AND TO THE THE CITY OF HOPEWELL. OK, THANK YOU.

MR. WEBB. MR. HALTOM ON THE SERVICE CENTER MEDAL, YOU MENTIONED ONE, TWO, THREE OR FOUR FOR A TOTAL BUILDUP. WHAT'S THE ESTIMATED OR WHAT YOUR PROJECT TIMELINE FOR FROM TIME TO BREAK GROUND TO WHERE THEY'D NEED THEIR FIRST ALLOTMENT? AND WHAT WOULD IT BE IF YOU GOT AN ESTIMATE ON THAT OUT OF THIS 120? I DO NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION WOULD HAVE TO REACH OUT TO SERVICEMEN AND METALS TO GET THEIR ACTUAL TIMELINE FOR WHEN THEY'RE PLANNING TO BREAK GROUND.

THEY'RE STILL THEY'RE FINALIZING THEIR SITE PLANS RIGHT NOW.

THEY DON'T HAVE PLAN APPROVAL, BUT I SUSPECT THAT THEY'LL BE WITHIN THE NEXT, PROBABLY BEFORE CHRISTMAS. THEY'LL HAVE THEIR BUILDING PERMIT AND THEY WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO BREAK GROUND VERY SOON.

BUT FROM BREAKING GROUND, YOU GOT AN ESTIMATED TIMELINE ON WHEN THEY WOULD ACTUALLY NEED THE SERVICE. I DO NOT.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE CONTROLLED, SOME OF IT BY THE SUPPLY CHAIN. TRYING TO BUY MATERIALS RIGHT NOW CAN BE VERY TIME CONSUMING.

BUT I WOULD I WOULD REACH OUT TO THEM, AND I CAN PROBABLY PROVIDE THAT ANSWER BACK TO MR. ASHCRAFT FORWARDED TO TO THIS BOARD ONCE I FIND IT.

SO WHICH ONE OF THESE PROJECTS, IF WE CHOSE TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING TO TRY TO MAKE SURE WE COULD MATCH THIS TIMELINE? WITH THAT UNKNOWN, I REALIZE IT'S UNKNOWN.

BUT MEET THIS TIMELINE TO GET ADDITIONAL FLOWS TO COVER THIS.

MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE NEED TO DO ALL OF THESE AT ONE TIME.

WE DON'T WE HAVE ENOUGH RIGHT NOW THAT WE CAN'T SERVE.

SO IF WE DO ONE PROJECT, WE'RE SERVING THE EXISTING NEED TODAY AND WE'RE NOT PREPARING FOR THE NEXT TWO OR THREE YEARS.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS WE DO ALL OF THESE PROJECTS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PREPARING FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS AFTER THIS.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TIME TO WAIT TO TO DO JUST ONE OR TWO AND NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, SHORT TERM YEARS.

LET ME REPHRASE, I'M NOT I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE NOT DOING THE OTHERS.

WE'VE GOT TWO EXISTING BUILDINGS RIGHT NOW.

WE CAN'T SUPPLY THE WATER TO.

I'M LOOKING FOR OPTIONS ON WHAT WE CAN DO IF WE IF WE REALLOCATE.

WHICH KIND OF GETS. I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED IT.

REALLOCATED, BUT STILL MEET THAT COMMITMENT.

I'M NOT SAYING DO AWAY WITH ANY OF THE OTHER ONES, IF NEED BE.

WE STILL GOT SOME HURDLES TO GO OVER SOME OF THAT, EVEN WITH MCEACHIN THINGS FOR ROUTE 10. SO THAT'S AN UNKNOWN.

CORRECT. IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS IF IF WE ALLOW SOMEBODY TO COME IN BEFORE SERVICE CENTER METALS, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE TO BE ABLE TO SERVE? COULD WE SERVE SERVICE IN THE METALS BY THEIR TIMELINES, BY COMPLETING ONE OF THESE PROJECTS? I WOULD NEED THEIR TIMELINE.

I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS, BUT I'M SUGGESTING IT'S GOING TO BE TWENTY FOUR MONTHS BEFORE WE HAVE ANY ONE OF THESE PROJECTS COMPLETE FOR THE WATER.

THE SEWER COULD BE 18 TO TWENTY FOUR MONTHS.

I THINK THAT ONE WOULD MOVE A LITTLE BIT QUICKER, BUT THE THE THE QUICKEST PROJECT WOULD LIKELY BE THE VIRGINIA AMERICAN WATER CONNECTION, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT TWENTY FOUR MONTHS. I THINK THERE'S BETTER OPPORTUNITY FOR LAND ACQUISITION AND IS DEFINITELY A LOT BASED ON WHERE THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALREADY WITHIN THE COUNTY.

WE CAN MAKE A QUICK CONNECTION TO ABLE TO QUICKLY SERVE FOLKS IN VIRGINIA AND KNOTT PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY. SO BASICALLY, I'M HEARING THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO FOR TWENTY FOUR

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WE ACTUALLY HAD A MEETING WITH THE CITY OF PETERSBURG JUST YESTERDAY TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY OPTION TO TRY TO PULL WATER FROM THEM ON THESE EMERGENCY TEMPORARY BASIS.

AND BASED ON THEIR OWN WATER NEEDS, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL CAPACITY AVAILABLE TO SERVE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY TO MEET OUR NEEDS.

AND THEY WOULD BE THE ONLY OTHER ONES THAT WE'RE INTERCONNECTED WITH RIGHT NOW OR CLOSE TO BEING INTERCONNECTED WITH RIGHT NOW, THERE'LL BE A QUICKER, QUICK PROJECT TO TURN AROUND. AND EVEN THEN THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME ENGINEERING ISSUES TO OVERCOME THE HYDRAULIC GRID LINE AND PETERSBURG'S A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN IT IS IN PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY, WHICH MEANS THE LIKELIHOOD OF WATER FLOWING IS GOING TO GO BACK TO PORT TOWARDS PETERSBURG VERSUS COMING INTO PRINCE GEORGE, WHICH MEANS THEY NEED TO DO SOME PUMP, INSTALL SOME PUMPS TO BE ABLE TO GET IT INTO THE COUNTY.

WHEN WOULD YOU KNOW, WHEN COULD YOU REACH OUT TO SERVICE CENTER AND FIND OUT HOW I CAN REACH OUT TO HIM TOMORROW? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, PLEASE, BECAUSE I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WE'RE UNDER THE GUN. THIS DID HAPPEN OVERNIGHT AND IT DOESN'T FALL ON YOUR SHOULDERS.

BUT WHAT WE DO FORWARD DOES FALL ON THEIR SHOULDERS.

AND WE GOT TWO BUILDINGS SITTING THERE WITH POTENTIAL PEOPLE THAT COULD COME IN IF SEVERAL SERVICE CENTERS, MEDALS CAN WORK WITH US OR IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE AT LEAST TWO YEARS OUT BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S HAVING SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES, SO I DOUBT IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE IMMUNE TO IT. I WILL REACH OUT TO THEM FIRST THING TOMORROW MORNING.

ALL RIGHT. OR ACTUALLY, IF I GOT TIME TODAY, I'LL REACH OUT AFTER RIGHT AFTER I'M OFF THIS PODIUM AND SEE IF I CAN GET THE ANSWER BEFORE THE END OF THE HARD TIMELINE.

I MADE A REALLY GOOD ESTIMATE NOT JUST TO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY OUGHT TO HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE FOR TIME.

THEY BREAK GROUND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE THEM TO CONSTRUCT IT WITH NO DELAYS AND THEN WHAT KIND OF WATER THEY'LL BE LOOKING FOR.

IF THEY'RE LOOKING AT ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR YEARS, THEN THEY'RE DOING IT IN PHASES, MOST LIKELY. SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR THE WHOLE HUNDRED AND TWENTY RIGHT OUT THE GATE. I WOULDN'T THINK OR AM I WRONG IN THINKING? NO, THEY DID SAY THERE'S GOING TO THEY WOULD BE RAMPING UP AS TO WHEN DAY ONE IS, I DON'T KNOW. BUT THEY DID SAY IT'S GOING TO BE A RAMP UP TIME PERIOD OVER THREE YEARS.

BUT WHEN DOES YEAR ONE START? I DON'T KNOW. THAT MEANS WHEN IT'S CONSTRUCTION OVER AND THEY ACTUALLY NEED THE WATER, THAT'S THE PART I NEED TO GET CONFIRMED FROM THEM.

AND I CAN I CAN GIVE YOU THOSE NUMBERS AS WELL AS FAR AS WHAT THEY PROVIDED ME, AS FAR AS WHAT YEAR ONE WOULD LOOK LIKE AS FAR AS CAPACITY NEEDS.

THEY DID PROVIDE THAT. WELL, MY PERSONAL INPUT IS WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN BECAUSE THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS WHAT I'VE BEEN SUGGESTING FOR MONTHS THAT I DON'T LIKE IS WE DON'T WANT TO JUST THROW OUT THERE THAT WE'RE CLOSED FOR BUSINESS BECAUSE ONCE YOU LOSE THEM, YOU'RE NOT GETTING THEM BACK.

UNDERSTOOD. MR. HUNTER. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE FACT THAT IF WE PUT A TWENTY FOUR INCH.

OH, UNDER TEMPLE, IT STILL WON'T BE A GREAT ADVANTAGE UNTIL WE GET TO PUMP STATION OVER THERE, IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT.

YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THE PUMP STATION TO BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ELSE.

THAT'S WHY THOSE TWO PROJECTS REALLY NEED TO GO TOGETHER.

RIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S ONE PROJECT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S TWO THINGS.

OK. THAT'S IT.

OK, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IF I SAY ANYTHING, I'M GOING TO RIDE THE SAME WAGON THAT MR. WEBB WAS ON.

AND I'VE SHARED THIS WITH YOU AND I'M SORRY.

18 TO 24 MONTHS FOR ME IS NOT IMMEDIATE.

I'M AN IT GUY, 40 YEARS, I LOOK AT DATA.

I ALSO EVERY DAY I'M CHALLENGED TO THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU'RE NOT THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOME SERIOUS CHALLENGES IN FRONT OF YOU. BUT RIDING THAT SAME WAGON THAT MR. WEBB WIN, THAT HE'S PUSHING DOWN THE STREET.

IF WE SLOWED DOWN A LITTLE BIT ON ROUTE 10, THAT WAS CAPACITY THAT YOU'RE COUNTING, THAT WOULD BE CONSUMED THAT.

WOULD BE BACK TO BEING AVAILABLE.

I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW WE'RE ALLOCATING.

I'VE ASKED BEFORE.

I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU BRING THE SOLUTIONS.

AND LET US FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT BECAUSE VERY HONESTLY, YOU KNOW, BOARD, WE MAY HAVE TO THROW MORE MONEY AT IT TO FAST TRACK IT.

AND IF FAST TRACKING IT MEANS FINDING A PARTNER THAT CAN DO THE CONSTRUCTION FOR US.

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BUT I WOULD TELL YOU MY PUSH WOULD BE IS HEARING THOSE NUMBERS FROM SERVICE IN THE METALS.

BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY BE CLOSE TO ABOUT THE TWO YEAR TIMEFRAME WITH THEM BETWEEN THAT EIGHTEEN AND TWENTY FOUR MONTHS BECAUSE OF THE SUPPLY CHAIN.

THAT'S MY BACKGROUND IN IT.

WORKING WITH RETAILERS ON THE SUPPLY CHAIN AND ALL THE RETAILERS I WORK WITH ARE HAVING THE SAME ISSUE. NO MATTER HOW GOOD THE SOFTWARE IS, THEY'RE ALL HAVING SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES. SO.

AS I'VE STATED BEFORE, I NEVER WANT THIS COUNTY TO LIE TO ANY BUSINESS.

I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO FIND REALLY CREATIVE WAYS.

IF PART OF THAT CREATIVE WAYS IS DOING SOME OF THE SHORT TERM WITH A WHALE OR PUMPING HULL OR ANY OF THOSE, I THINK ALL OPTIONS OUGHT TO BE ON THE TABLE.

AND NONE OF THEM MAY BE PRETTY TO US, BUT A COMBINATION OF ALL OF THOSE AND WORKING WITH.

WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING WITH HOLLINGSWORTH CORPORATION OR HOLLINGSWORTH GROUP, AND WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM TO PROMOTE THESE, THESE BUILDINGS OUT THERE.

AND FOR US NOW NOT TO HAVE THE CAPACITY THEY NEED WHEN THEY'VE LIVED UP TO THEIR PART OF THE BARGAIN. I THINK IT'S IT'S IT'S A SHAME.

SO I THINK WE REALLY AND I'M NOT SAYING TO PUT THEM ON A SPECIAL PODIUM OR ANYTHING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I HAVE HAD THREE CALLS IN THE PAST THREE DAYS FROM OTHER COMPANIES.

I'VE SHARED THEM WITH MR. ASHCRAFT TODAY.

THE WORD IS OUT, FOLKS.

THE WORD IS OUT ABOUT PG COUNTY, AND PRETTY SOON WE MIGHT AS WELL JUST GO RIGHT TO THE BORDER BOUNDARIES OF PRINCE GEORGE AND PUT CLOSED SO PEOPLE SEE IT WHEN THEY COME IN.

IF WE DON'T COME UP WITH AN EXTREMELY CREATIVE WAY TO MAKE THIS WORK, SO THAT'S MY TWO CENTS WORTH MR. WEBB, I KNOW YOU WERE GETTING MY ATTENTION.

YOU'D LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING, SIR.

WELL, I JUST WANT TO ADD THIS.

WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE BUT TO TRY TO FAST-TRACK SOME STUFF.

MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS I'D HATE.

I DON'T WANT TO SEE US.

I'M NOT OF THE OPINION TO SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR A SHORT TERM SOLUTION THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE LONG TERM, WHICH MEANS WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE THE BEST OPTIONS, NOT JUST TO MEET WHAT WE GOT NOW, WHICH YOU GOT DOWN HERE.

WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE BEST OPTION? WELL, YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY THIS FOR MS..

FIVE, 10, 15 YEARS OUT.

AND WE MAY NEED TO GO BACK AND REVISIT THIS THING ON THE WASTEWATER.

BECAUSE I DON'T SEE US GETTING IT, THAT JUST ME AND I LOOK AT A LOT OF STUFF, A LOT OF A LOT OF NUMBERS, YOU SUPPLY A FRANK AND A LOT OF NUMBERS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF HERE.

I GOT TO YOUR POINT ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE, THE TEMPORARY I MEAN, THE SHORT TERM SOLUTION TO EITHER ADDRESS THE 12 INCH GRABBY LINE OR REROUTING THE EIGHT INCH FORCE MAIN WOULD BE ONLY A TEMPORARY SOLUTION THAT WOULD GO AWAY ONCE THE THE NEW PUMP STATION ENFORCEMENT OR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IS CONSTRUCTED BECAUSE BOTH THOSE PUMP STATIONS THAT ARE INSIDE THE PARK WOULD BE REROUTED TO THE NEW PUMP STATION AND THEN EVENTUALLY THAT LINE THAT WHERE EITHER THE 12 INCH LINE WOULD JUST HAVE NEW CAPACITY OR THE EIGHT INCH FORCE MADE IS BEING REROUTED WOULD SIMPLY JUST BE ABANDONED BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE NO MORE USE FOR IT. BUT IT SERVES AN IMMEDIATE NEED, AND THERE ARE SOME POTENTIAL OPTIONS TO AVOID HAVING TO MAINTAIN THAT 12 INCH GRAVITY BY REROUTING ALL OF OUR FLOW AROUND THAT 12 INCH GRAVITY AND USING THAT EIGHT INCH FORCE MEAN THAT'S GOING TO BE NEWLY INSTALLED TO REROUTE FLOWS FROM ROUTE FOUR 60 THROUGH THERE INSTEAD OF THE BUSINESS PARK.

AND I'M NOT GOING TO FORCE THE BOARD'S HAND AND FORCE ANYTHING BECAUSE SOMETIMES HINDSIGHT'S 20 20.

BUT WE'VE GOT THREE ENGINEERING STUDIES OUT HERE.

WE'VE GOT FINANCIAL ADVICE OUT HERE.

WE'VE GOT OUR OWN STAFF THAT HAVE SUPPORTED US AND WE'VE GOT TO LOCALITIES.

IN ALL HONESTY, I HAVE SHARED WITH ME, AND I'M PRETTY SURE THEY'VE SHARED WITH OTHER PEOPLE. IT ALL WITHIN THIS CIRCLE.

THAT WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING DOWN THE RIGHT ROAD, AND THEY'RE ALL GOOD REASONS TO CONSIDER TO RECONSIDER.

WITHOUT BRINGING UP NAMES AND ANYTHING ELSE.

THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY AND BOARD MEMBERS, I THINK WHEN I SAY BEING CREATIVE

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VERY HONESTLY, WE MAY NEED TO REALLOCATE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN THIS LINE OF THESE FOUR PROJECTS AND POTENTIALLY FAST TRACK THINGS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

I'D RATHER TAKE TWO POINT FIVE MILLION DOLLARS AND PUT THAT IN THAT DIRECTION BECAUSE WE HAVE ANOTHER TRANCHE OF MONEY COMING IN JULY OF NEXT YEAR.

THAT WE COULD ALLOCATE TO THE FINAL PROJECT.

BUT IF WE HAVE TO DIG INTO FUND BALANCE TO START PAYING FOR THIS STUFF BECAUSE THE MORE WE CAN DO TO KEEP OUR NUMBERS RIGHT.

PAY FOR IT UP FRONT, NOT HAVE TO GO, BORROW IT AND GET IN DEBT.

THAT TWO POINT FIVE GOES A LONG WAY TO HELPING US COVER SOME OF THE COST OF THESE SOLUTIONS. SO I HAVE A PUMP STATION EITHER WAY.

YEAH. GUYS, I SPEND, I DON'T EVEN REALIZE HOW MANY HOURS I SPEND THE DAY THINKING ABOUT THIS STUFF. MY WIFE SITS THERE AND SHE LISTENS TO ME.

SHE'S LIKE THAT ALL YOU EVER TALK ABOUT BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE'RE LIVING, LIVING THIS NIGHTMARE DAILY.

BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. WE WE HAVE TO HAD A PUMP STATION, RIGHT? SO WE NEED TO WORK ON THE PUMP STATION.

YOU KNOW, WE DO NEED TO WORK ON THAT NO MATTER WHAT RIGHT WE GO.

ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT KEEPS IN MIND WITH WHAT MR. WEBB WAS SAYING. IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND MONEY, MAKE SURE IT'S ADDING TO THE LONG TERM.

WHEN YOU'RE RIGHT, WE WOULD NEED THE PUMP STATION NO MATTER WHICH WAY WE GO.

I AGREE. I AGREE WITH YOU 100 PERCENT.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE MONEY.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE MONEY, IT'S GOING TO TAKE CREATIVE THINKING.

AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE A DIFFERENT WAY THAN HOW WE'VE PROBABLY OPERATE IN THE PAST AND NONE OF US SITTING UP HERE, ANY OF US SITTING THIS DAY, MR. WEBB SAID IT DIDN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.

BUT GUESS WHAT, IT'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY OVERNIGHT, EITHER.

SO, MR..

YES, SIR. INTERJECT A GOOD POINT.

ALONG WITH YOUR ALL GOOD POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, FRANK REFERRED TO A CONVERSATION WE HAD YESTERDAY WITH PETERSBERG.

IT WAS A GOOD ONE. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IS THEY CAN'T HELP US.

AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HELP US FOR A LONG TIME, EVEN IF THEY CAN.

UM, WE'VE MET WITH DINWIDDIE.

WE KNOW WE'RE HOPEWELL WOULD BE AN ALLY, AND THAT WOULD BE US BEING A CUSTOMER.

THERE'S NOT ANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THEM DOING ANYTHING OTHER THAN PROBABLY EXPANDING THEIR PLANT IF WE HAVE TO PUT MORE, MORE CAPACITY IN THEIR.

YOU GO TO THE SOUTH OF US.

SUSSEX LOST A PROJECT BECAUSE OF THIS VERY ISSUE.

THEY HAD A MEGA PROJECT DOWN THERE AND THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, AND THEY HAD BGR WORKING WITH WITH THEM.

SORRY, MAY BE THE ONLY ONE THAT'S KIND OF STANDING ALONE, AND I THINK BY THE MERE NATURE OF THEIR GEOGRAPHY, THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF PROSPECTS THAT THAT CALL UP ON THEM.

BUT SO I SAY ALL THIS TO JUST REMIND YOU THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN SOLUTIONS.

IT JUST APPEARS THAT THE FUTURE IS NOT GOING TO BE RELYING ON OUR NEIGHBORS, EVEN THOUGH I THINK OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS AND THEY WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

THIS IS A PRINCE GEORGE PROBLEM, AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE A PRINCE GEORGE SOLUTION.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE WORK OF THE STAFF AND YOUR LEADERSHIP, WE'LL GET THERE. BUT I THINK THAT'S THAT'S A THAT'S A NOTE THAT YOU JUST ALWAYS HAVE TO BE TELLING CITIZENS WHO MAY HAVE DOUBT ABOUT INVESTING IN IN UTILITIES.

BECAUSE DOWN THE ROAD NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE A NEW DEVELOPMENT COME IN. WELL, YOU MAY BE DOWN THE ROAD AT SOME POINT NOT BEING ABLE TO SERVE.

WHO LIVES HERE NOW? BECAUSE IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW THAT THE FUTURE OF WELLS AND SEPTIC TANKS ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE IN DOUBT.

IT DEPENDS ON WHAT ADMINISTRATION COMES IN WASHINGTON AND THEIR POLICIES AND REGULATIONS.

PUBLIC UTILITIES IS GOING TO HAVE TO SERVE THE COUNTY AT SOME POINT IN ITS ENTIRETY, IT'S OUR SOLUTION. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. AND I WANT TO SAY I HAVE A MEETING.

I BELIEVE IT'S DECEMBER THE 1ST AT 11 O'CLOCK.

I HAVE A CALL WITH CONGRESSMAN MCEACHIN MR..

ASHCRAFT HAS GOTTEN THE INVITE AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING AN UPDATE ON WHERE THOSE FEDERAL MONIES ARE AND WHERE THEY LOOK LIKE THEY MAY BE GOING AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.

SO I THINK WEDNESDAY OF NEXT WEEK, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME GOOD INFORMATION TO SHARE AS FAR

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I'M ALSO HOPING WITH THIS INFRASTRUCTURE BILL THAT WAS PASSED.

I'M REALLY HOPING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME GOOD FUNDING COMING TO VIRGINIA AND WE'RE GOING TO HIT HAVE TO HIT OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES UP TO MAKE SURE THAT.

PRINCE GEORGE IS GETTING THEIR FAIR SHARE.

THAT MAY BE ANOTHER OPTION THAT WE DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW THAT COULD BECOME A FUNDING SOURCE, SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IN THE WORKS.

SO JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. MR. HALTOM? I'M GOOD, MR HOLLINGSWORTH, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO GIVE YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY CLOSING REMARKS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE TOWARDS THIS OR ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD A ONE OFF FOR YOU THAT WE DO THANK YOU FOR TAKING TIME TO TO TRAVEL HERE.

HOPEFULLY, IT WAS A SHORT TRIP, SO.

THANK YOU AGAIN, AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY FOLLOW UP.

AND I THINK FRANK AND THE STAFF HAVE HAVE WORKED HARD TO IDENTIFY THE OPPORTUNITIES TO IMPROVE THE SYSTEM, TO GET IT TO THE CAPACITIES THAT THAT PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY REALLY NEEDS BECAUSE IT IS A DESIRABLE PLACE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO COME.

BUT EVEN THE FASTEST FAST TRACKED PROJECT THAT COULD BE BROUGHT TO BEAR IS NOT GOING TO SERVICE OUR NEEDS.

WE HAVE THESE TWO POTENTIAL LEASES AVAILABLE TO US, BUT THEY NEED TO START RECEIVING SERVICE IN JANUARY.

SO THERE'S NO FAST TRACK PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO BE THAT FAST.

SO FROM FROM OUR STANDPOINT, THE THE SOLUTION THAT MEETS OUR IMMEDIATE NEEDS IS IS TO ALLOCATE THE AVAILABLE CAPACITY TO THE TO THE BUILDINGS THAT EXIST AND ARE READY TO CONNECT THE.

THE LONG TERM SOLUTIONS THAT ARE EIGHTEEN TO TWENTY FOUR MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD, WE ARE HAPPY TO TRY TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT IN SOME WAY THAT THAT WE CAN BE OF ASSISTANCE, BUT BECAUSE WE ARE PARTNERS AND HAVE BEEN FOR TWENTY FOUR YEARS AND WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT SUCCESS. BUT FOR THE IMMEDIATE SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN.

NONE OF THOSE PROJECTS CAN HELP US.

WELL, I DO THINK WE UNDERSTAND THE SHORT TERM IN THE SHORT TERM IS REALLY A MONTH AND A HALF AWAY, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY TO HEAR, THOUGH, THAT WILLINGNESS TO POTENTIALLY PARTNER WITH US.

AND I THINK THERE'S QUITE AN OPPORTUNITY, MAYBE FOR YOU AND OTHER BUSINESSES TO PARTNER WITH US THAT CAN HOPEFULLY ALLOW US TO BRING A SOLUTION, A BETTER SOLUTION, QUICKER DOWN THE ROAD. BUT I THINK THIS BOARD IS DEFINITELY AWARE OF THE SHORT TERM, AND WE WILL DEFINITELY BE TALKING ABOUT THAT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

I'M SORRY. MR. WEBB. I'M SORRY.

I DIDN'T MEAN TO STEP ON YOU. NO, GO AHEAD, SIR.

GO AHEAD. WHAT'S THE TOTAL FLOW YOU NEED, MR. WORTHAM? BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE, YEAH, BETWEEN OUR TWO CURRENT PROSPECTS WE NEED.

HUNDRED AND. SIX THOUSAND GALLONS PER DAY OF WATER AND APPROXIMATELY.

TEN THOUSAND GALLONS A DAY IN SEWER.

AND THEN THOSE NEEDS WILL WILL RAMP UP OVER A THREE YEAR PERIOD.

SO ONE HUNDRED AND SIX THOUSAND IN WATER.

AND YOU SAID 10000 IN SEWER.

OK. THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE FOR THOSE TWO FACILITIES IN JANUARY.

YES. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. HOLLINGSWORTH? OK, THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU AGAIN. YES, SIR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. HALTOM OR DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE YOU NEED TO COVER WITH US THERE? MAKE SURE YOU KNOW MORE FROM ME, OK? AS ALWAYS, WE APPRECIATE IT.

AND IT DOESN'T REST ALL ON YOUR SHOULDERS.

FRANK CHAIRMAN LOOKING FORWARD TO THE BOARD MEETING NEXT TUESDAY.

FROM WHAT FRANK IS PRESENTED, ARE YOU EXPECTING TO HAVE THOSE BOTTOMS ON ON THE AGENDA? WELL, THAT'S RIGHT. I'M SORRY, YOU WERE REALLY LOOKING FOR A NOD FROM US TONIGHT TO GO AHEAD AND GET THE GOING, GET GOING ON THESE DESIGNS AND STUFF FOR THESE FOUR PROJECTS.

CORRECT, SIR. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU, MR. ASHCRAFT, AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT BACK UP.

WE WERE JUST LOOKING FOR THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PROCURING THE DESIGN SERVICES, THE SERVICES, AND THAT YOU HAVE COVERED IN YOUR BUDGET.

CORRECT? OK.

I'M GOOD WITH THAT. MR.

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YOU HAVE A FOR GOOD FOR IT, SIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

MS. CHAIRMAN, NEXT ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA IS A PETITION TO THE COURT FOR THE EXTENSION ON REAL ESTATE ASSESSMENTS.

THIS ANNOUNCEMENT CAME TO YOU.

I GUESS WE'RE WORKING ON A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO NOW FROM OUR ASSESSOR, DIANA PRINCE.

IS WITH US AND THEN OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EXECUTION OF THE PETITION TO THE COURT. SO BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM, THEY WILL BRING YOU UP TO DATE ON WHERE WE ARE.

CAN I JUST ASK ONE BEFORE COME UP MR. HALTOM. WHEN DID YOU THINK THAT YOU'D POSSIBLY BE ABLE TO GET BACK WITH THIS BOARD ON INFORMATION FROM SERVICE CENTER MEDALS WITHIN BY MONDAY OF NEXT WEEK? YOU THINK YOU'RE GOOD? OH YES.

OK, I'M GOING TO REACH OUT TO HIM RIGHT NOW, SEE IF I CAN GET AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE AND IF I CAN GET IT BEFORE THE END OF THE WORK SESSION, I'LL SHARE IT WITH YOU.

OK, SO ONCE YOU GET THAT INFORMATION BACK, BOARD MEMBERS, WHETHER I HAVE TO TALK TO YOU ONE ON ONE OR WHATEVER, THEN WE NEED TO HAVE A QUICK CONVERSATION SO WE CAN GIVE SOME DIRECTION ABOUT WHERE WE ARE WITH CURRENT ALLOCATIONS.

IS THAT GOOD WITH EVERYBODY? ALL RIGHT. I'M JUST TRYING TO PUT A STAKE IN THE GROUND, SO WE KNOW.

SO HOPEFULLY, IF YOU HAVE THAT TO US BY MONDAY, THEN WE'LL WE'LL LOOK TO TRY TO TALK WITH ONE ANOTHER. GOOD AFTERNOON.

LET'S GET IT DISSOLVED NOON.

YEAH, IF HE GETS IT THIS AFTERNOON AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT, EVEN IF I HAVE TO TALK TO YOU OVER THE WEEKEND.

BUT I THINK IT'S ONLY FAIR TO TO MAKE IT KNOWN WITHIN THIS CIRCLE AND WHOMEVER OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO OPERATE SAID, OK.

ALL RIGHT. SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT ACROSS YOUR MR. ASHCRAFT. OH, NO, THAT'S FINE.

A LOT OF YOU HOPE WHOEVER'S ONE I'VE D FLIP A COIN.

SO THIS IS MR CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD MR. ASHCRAFT, DAN WHITTEN, COUNTY ATTORNEY.

SO THIS IS SIMILAR TO LAST YEAR WHEN OUR PREVIOUS ASSESSOR, MR. COMPTON, LEFT.

WE FILED A PETITION WITH THE COURT.

THEY GAVE THE COUNTY AN ADDITIONAL THREE MONTHS FOR THE ASSESSMENT.

SO BASICALLY NORMALLY THEY HAVE TO BE FINISHED BY DECEMBER 31ST.

SEEING GIVES YOU UNTIL MARCH 30 1ST.

SO WE FILED A PETITION WITH THE CIRCUIT COURT.

THE CIRCUIT COURT JUDGE SIGNED OFF ON THE ORDER AND THEY GAVE A LITTLE EXTRA TIME FOR THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE AS THEY WERE TRANSITIONING AT THE TIME THEY HAD AN INTERIM ASSESSOR SEND HIM. AND SO BASICALLY, DONNA CAME ON AUGUST, OK AND AUGUST, AND SHE'S MAKING A REQUEST THAT WE, THE BOARD, WOULD APPROVE A SIMILAR REQUEST FOR AN EXTENSION, WHICH BASICALLY THE BOARD ON THE TWENTY THIRD WOULD APPROVE A RESOLUTION WHICH WOULD GIVE ME THE AUTHORITY TO GO TO THE CIRCUIT COURT TO FILE THE PETITION TO GIVE HER OFFICE A LITTLE EXTRA TIME FOR THE ASSESSMENTS.

BUT SHE CAN EXPLAIN, I GUESS, ANY ADDITIONAL REASONING.

AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON.

GOOD AFTERNOON, AND MR. ASHCRAFT MR. WHITTEN WE JUST LIKE LAST YEAR, WE'RE STILL PUTTING THINGS TOGETHER.

YOU KNOW, WITH MY SHORT TIME, WE'RE HERE WITH THE COUNTY.

WE'RE AT A CONSTANT PUSH TO GET VISION IMPLEMENTED.

EVERY DAY WE'RE PUSHING PUSHING WITH VISION TO GET IT IMPLEMENTED, THE SOFTWARE.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING DUE TO THE SOFTWARE ISSUES THAT WE'RE THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW.

WE'RE REALLY CLOSE.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE PRESENTED AGAIN, COMING UP IN THE COMING WEEKS.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT'S THE HUGE REASON BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE EVERYTHING IN INTO THE VISION SOFTWARE SO WE CAN PULL OUR DIGEST OUT OF IT.

SO. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I'M GOOD, THANKS.

SO I GUESS MY OH, I'M SORRY, MS. WAYMACK, YOU HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

SO I GUESS MY MY QUESTION IS THAT'S GOING TO DELAY THE BILL GOING OUT BECAUSE WE WE WON'T HAVE THE APPRAISALS READY.

ACTUALLY, IT JUST DELAYS THE ASSESSMENT NOTICES, RIGHT? THE ASSESSMENT? YES. YES.

INSTEAD OF GOING OUT EARLY JANUARY TOWARDS THE 1ST OF JANUARY, THEY'LL GO OUT IN MARCH.

SO, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THIS SOFTWARE, IT'S YOU KNOW.

WE'RE JUST PUSHING TO GET IT IMPLEMENTED.

I UNDERSTAND, YEAH. I'M NOT, YEAH, I'M NOT DEBATING THAT.

AS FAR AS THE SO MR. WHITTEN OR MR. ASHCRAFT, I GUESS WHERE I'M GOING.

ARE WE GOING TO MAKE PROPER NOTIFICATION TO THE RESIDENTS THEN THAT THAT ASSESSMENT IS NOT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO RECEIVE THAT NOTICE UNTIL MARCH BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE KNOW TO BE

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I HAVEN'T GOTTEN MY NOTICE YET AND STUFF.

SO I THINK IF WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, THEN BEING PROACTIVE.

WE ALSO NEED TO LET PEOPLE MAKE PEOPLE AWARE THAT THAT'S GOING TO COME OUT LATER BECAUSE WE'VE ASKED FOR AN EXTENSION.

YES, SIR. SO I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT ALL FLOWS PROPERLY.

YEAH. YEAH, I THINK THE WEBSITE AND THE FRIDAY NOTICE THAT COMES OUT CATCHING UP WITH PRINCE GEORGE, I READ TODAY ON FACEBOOK AND AGAIN, I PROBABLY SPEND TOO MUCH TIME.

SOMEBODY WAS COMPLAINING.

I KNOW FACEBOOK'S NOT THE PROPER PLACE TO NOTIFY US.

THIS WAS OVER THE THE WHOLE LITTLE MORTGAGE THING, AND WE NEVER DID PUT IT ON FACEBOOK.

WHAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HEARING ABOUT IT.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WE'RE PUTTING THINGS IN THE PROPER PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW. IT MIGHT EVEN APPEAR ON THAT RED BANNER OR SOMETHING FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME TO REALLY ATTRACT PEOPLE'S ATTENTION TO IT.

THAT IS, WE WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT WHEN WE NOTIFY THE PEOPLE UNTIL THE COURT HAS MADE THE. YES, SIR.

YES, SIR. I WOULD THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER.

WE KNOW THAT THE JUDGE HAS SIGNED OFF.

YES, SIR. YES, IT WAS A PRETTY QUICK PROCESS.

IF THE BOARD APPROVES THE RESOLUTION NEXT TUESDAY, I WOULD HAVE PETITION READY FILE WITH THE COURT ORDER. THEN IT WOULD JUST BE UP TO JUDGE TOMPKINS AVAILABILITY.

LAST TIME I JUST WENT TO HIS CHAMBERS, HE SIGNED OFF ON IT AND IT WAS A PRETTY QUICK PROCEDURE. I'M SURE HE WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT AS LONG AS WE DON'T JUMP TO GUN.

ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY.

WE'RE DOING IT. YEAH.

ASKING IF YOU COULD SEE ME, WE'RE MEETING TUESDAY.

IT'S A WE'RE MEETING NEXT WEEK SO WE CAN HAVE EVERYTHING READY AND AND WE'LL WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT ALL ON TUESDAY NIGHT.

YES, SIR. THAT'LL WORK.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME.

NEXT ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS A PROPOSAL FOR STAFFING IN AND EMS BY CHIEF BEEMAN AND ANYONE ELSE THAT HE HAS MIGHT WANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE CONVERSATION.

GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN.

GOOD EVENING, SIR. MR. ASHCRAFT, I KNOW YOU ALL SAVED THE BEST FOR LAST.

APPRECIATE IT. THEN THE POLICE CHIEF FOLLOW YOU.

YOU COULD ONLY. OH, I'M SORRY, I SAID THE BEST FOR LAST.

I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS THE BEST.

THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO HEAR ME OUT ON WHAT I'M ABOUT TO PROPOSE HERE.

FIRST, LET ME FIND THE LITTLE CLICKER BECAUSE YOU ALL KNOW I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THAT.

THIS BUTTON? IT WAS THIS BUTTON IF ONE GOES BACK ONE.

HOW DO I GO ABOUT? YOU GO BACK.

SEE, I DON'T MESS IT ALL UP, SEEING.

MR. STOKE, WE GOT TO GET HIM THAT EASY MAN.

EASY BUTTON. I GOT IT.

BIG RED BUTTON. YEAH.

SO WHAT I'M ASKING FOR TODAY AND I'LL GO THROUGH THESE SLIDES AND TRY TO EXPLAIN THE REASONS WHY IS THAT I'M REQUESTING CONSIDERATION TO FILL IN THIS BUDGET JAN.

20 20 TO THREE FIRE MEDICS, AND I'LL GIVE YOU A BASIC RUNDOWN AS TO WHY.

CURRENTLY I PUT MY SLIDE AND NOTES ON HERE.

WHAT I'M LOOKING TO DO IS REDUCE THE TURNOVER AND POTENTIALLY ANY EXPENDITURES THAT WE SEE WITH OUR CURRENT TURNOVER OR TURNOVER.

OVER THE LAST, I BELIEVE FISCAL YEAR WAS ABOUT 15 PERCENT.

I'M LOOKING TO TRY TO REDUCE THAT.

CURRENTLY, WE ARE ALMOST AT FULL STAFF, EXCEPT FOR ONE THAT JUST JUST RETIRED.

ALSO, I'M LOOKING TO INCREASE THE SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF THE TEAM.

SOME EMPLOYEES ARE ACTUALLY WORKING A STRAIGHT 72 HOURS AND THEN GOING HOME FOR EIGHT TO 12 HOURS AND HAVING TO COME BACK TO WORK ANOTHER 56 OR 72 HOURS.

AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHY IN THE PRESENTATION.

I WANT TO BASICALLY PROVIDE A BETTER WORK-LIFE BALANCE FOR THE TEAM MEMBERS, AND THAT'S WHAT THE HOPE IS FOR ADDING THESE THREE MEMBERS.

AND LET ME JUST GO BACK AND SAY THESE THREE MEMBERS THAT I'M LOOKING AT WILL BE ONE PER SHIFT TO TRY TO OFFSET THIS, SO ALSO PROVIDE A CONTINUITY OF SERVICE ACROSS THE COUNTY AND BASICALLY AVOID HAVING TO SHUT ANYTHING DOWN OR NOT HAVE THE CORRECT AMOUNT OF STAFFING AT THE STATIONS THAT WE CURRENTLY ARE STAFFING.

THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF WHAT THIS IS IS BASICALLY OUR OVERTIME HISTORY FROM TWENTY SEVENTEEN TO TWENTY EIGHTEEN.

AND FOR THE PAST FIVE FISCAL YEARS, OVERTIME HAS EXCEEDED BUDGET AMOUNTS AND CONTINUES TO GROW. AND A NUMBER OF GROWTH OF THIS IS ACTUALLY DUE TO SOME OF THE STAFFING THAT HAS

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WE WILL OVERSPEND IN OUR FISCAL YEAR 2020 TO BUDGET ON OUR CURRENT TREND OF SIXTY SEVEN POINT TWO PERCENT OVER THE BUDGET, WITH THE HOURS WORKED THROUGH 10 NINE TWENTY ONE.

WITH OUR CURRENT STAFFING LEVELS, THE OVERTIME WILL HAVE TO INCREASE SIGNIFICANTLY FOR OUR TWENTY TWENTY THREE BUDGET.

AND ON THAT MS., BETSY AND I HAVE TALKED NAUSEUM ABOUT THIS EARLY ON WHEN I CAME HERE, SO WE DO HAVE A PLAN. SOME OF THE MONEY IS JUST A MATTER OF JUST SHIFTING OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD. I DON'T WANT TO UNDERSTATE THAT, SO PLEASE CORRECT ME.

BUT SOME OF THE THE HOURS ARE BUILT INTO WHAT THEY ARE IN.

SO IF YOU DON'T, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF OVERTIME, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OVERTIME BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF HOURS THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO WORK ANYWAY, AND I'LL EXPLAIN THAT. SO WITH THE THREE FLOATING POSITIONS, WHAT I'M HOPING TO DO IS BY PUTTING ONE ON EACH SHIFT, WE ARE ACTUALLY AVERAGING ONE PERSON TO TWO PEOPLE OUT PER SHIFT BY HAVING THAT ONE PERSON THERE.

IT HELPS OFFSET THAT.

SO RIGHT NOW, YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE TWENTY TWENTY ONE BUDGET, WE SPEND ABOUT FOUR HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FOUR THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY FIVE DOLLARS IN OVERTIME.

THIS WAS FAR EXCEEDING OUR REGULAR BUDGET, EVEN THOUGH WE DID GOOD ON A LOT OF OTHER LINES. THIS WAS AN AREA THAT THAT HARMS US.

SO WHAT THIS HAS RIGHT NOW IS WITH OUR OVERTIME OVERTIME IN THE FIRE SERVICE IS NEVER ELIMINATED. THE REASON FOR THAT IS IS BECAUSE OF THE HOURS THAT THEY WORK ON A TWENTY FOUR HOUR SHIFT, A TYPICAL TWENTY FOUR HOUR SHIFTS IN THE FIRE SERVICE, INCLUDING PRINCE GEORGE. THEY WORK TWENTY FOUR HOURS ON THEIR OFF FOR A DAY OR TWO.

THEY COME BACK, THEY WORK AND SO ON, BUT THEY WORK AN AVERAGE OF FIFTY SIX HOURS A WEEK.

SO WHEN YOU DO THIS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, THEY WORK TWO THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED AND TWELVE HOURS TO WHERE AN AVERAGE FORTY AN HOUR A WEEK EMPLOYEE WORKS 20 80 HOURS A WEEK.

THE WAY THAT THEIR OVERTIME IS BUDGETED IS THEY DO NOT GET OVERTIME AT 40 HOURS AND THEY DON'T GET IT WITHIN ONE PAYCHECK.

IT ACTUALLY WORKS IN A CYCLE.

THERE ARE 13.

THE CYCLES ARE 13 CYCLES CONSISTING OF 28 DAYS.

SO BASICALLY, THEY MAY WORK TWO THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED AND TWELVE HOURS, BUT ONLY ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY SIX HOURS OF THOSE IS ACTUAL OVERTIME HOURS THAT THEY'RE GUARANTEED TO GET. THERE'S NO WAY AROUND IT WHATSOEVER.

WHEN YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY THE TOTAL NUMBER OF STAFF THAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW ONLINE IS TWENTY SEVEN.

THEY ARE AUTOMATICALLY I HAVE AN OVERTIME BUDGET NUMBER OF HOURS OF FOUR THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND TWELVE. THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR.

IF YOU INCREASE STAFFING, THAT NUMBER GOES UP, DECREASE, IT GOES DOWN, BUT IT'S JUST BUILT IN. SO THE BEST WAY TO THINK OF IT IS NOT THAT IT'S NONPRODUCTIVE HOURS, IT IS PRODUCTIVE HOURS. IT'S JUST BECAUSE WE'RE REQUIRING THEM TO STAY 24 HOURS AT A TIME.

THE APPROXIMATE COST OF THIS FOR THIS ALONE IS ABOUT ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY THREE THOUSAND. SO ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY THREE THOUSAND OF OUR BUDGET IN OVERTIME IS JUST AUTOMATICALLY BUILT IN JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT SCHEDULE.

OTHER REASON FOR OUR OVERTIME.

IS FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE FMLA.

WE HAVE A SEVERAL PEOPLE IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE ON FMLA.

I GOT ANOTHER ONE THAT JUST PUT IN PAPERWORK IS GOING TO BE OUT THE ENTIRE MONTH OF DECEMBER. WE HAVE PLANNED LEAVE FOR VACATION BECAUSE WE ARE BEFORE I GOT HERE.

AND EVEN WHILE I'M HERE, WE'VE ACTUALLY DENIED PEOPLE TO GO TO CERTAIN CLASSES AND THEY CONTINUOUSLY ACCUMULATE PAID TIME OFF THROUGH THE COUNTY AND THEY END UP NEEDING NEEDING TIME OFF SO THEY ACCUMULATE THESE LEAVES TRAINING AND PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT OFF.

WE HAVE ILLNESS AND STAFF MEMBERS THAT ARE CALLING OUT BECAUSE THEY'RE SICK, THEIR CHILD'S SICK OR FAMILY OR SICK, AND THEY NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THEM.

THESE ARE JUST UNAVOIDABLE THINGS.

VACANCIES. I'M GLAD TO SAY THAT CURRENTLY WE DO NOT.

WE ARE NOT EXPERIENCING THE CHALLENGES OTHER DEPARTMENTS SURROUNDING US ARE EXPERIENCING AND THAT WE ARE ONLY ONE POSITION DOWN CURRENTLY.

AND THAT'S DUE TO RETIREMENT, NOT BECAUSE SOMEBODY QUIT.

SINCE I GOT HERE, ONE OF THE THINGS I TOLD MR., ASHCRAFT AND SEVERAL OF YOU MEMBERS IS THAT I PROMISED HIM WITHIN SIX MONTHS I'D HAVE ALL THE POSITIONS FILLED AND I DID PROBLEM. I DID NOT FORESEE THAT COVID IS CAUSING IS MY PART TIME STAFFING.

I CAN'T GET THEM THE REASON FOR THAT.

IN ORDER FOR THEM TO COME TO WORK HERE, THEY HAVE TO MEET THE SAME QUALIFICATIONS THAT WE HAVE. WELL, GUESS WHERE THEY WORK? OTHER FIRE DEPARTMENTS? GUESS WHO DOESN'T HAVE FULL STAFFING, OTHER FIRE DEPARTMENTS, SO THEY'RE BEING FORCED TO STAY THERE.

I HAVE NEW HIRE THAT WE JUST HIRED, PUT IN A MONTH'S WORTH OF SCHEDULE, HAD TO COME BACK AND RETRACT EVERY ONE OF HIS DAYS.

HE COULD WORK FOR US BECAUSE HIS FIRE DEPARTMENT TOLD HIM HE WAS GOING TO BE MANDATORY TO WORK CERTAIN BEYOND HIS REGULAR SHIFTS.

SO OUR MOST CURRENT PART TIME PARAMEDICS WORK IN OTHER PLACES AND SOME LOCATIONS NOT NECESSARILY HERE, BUT WHERE EVEN WHERE I CAME FROM, WE DIDN'T EVEN ALLOW OUR PEOPLE TO HAVE PART TIME JOBS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO RISK THEM GETTING COVID, WHICH IS THE OTHER

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IF MS. WAYMACK TRANSPORTS ARE AROUND SOMEBODY WITH COVID ONE DAY AND SNEEZES THE NEXT, SHE'S GOT TO BE AT HOME FOR THE NEXT FEW DAYS BEFORE SHE CAN COME BACK.

SHE MAY NOT HAVE, BUT SHE SNEEZES OR FEELS A SYMPTOM.

SHE'S OUT. SO WITH ALLERGY SEASON, THIS IS KIND OF AFFECTED US A LITTLE BIT.

WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF TEAM MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH COVID TWICE AND HAVE HAD TO BE OUT. SO COVID IS NOT HELPING ME, AND IT'S ALSO NOT HELPING ME AS FAR AS OUR PART TIME PEOPLE BECAUSE CURRENTLY WITH OUR PART TIME STAFFING, I'M ONLY AT ABOUT A 30 PERCENT UTILIZATION AND I HAVE A VERY LIMITED PART TIME STAFFING AS IT IS, AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO WORK TWENTY FOUR OR FORTY EIGHT HOURS A MONTH, AND I'VE GOT SOME OF THEM GETTING OVERTIME. EVEN WITH THE 30 PERCENT UTILIZATION OF THE TOTAL NUMBER, I HAVE OUR MOST CURRENT PART TIME FIREMEN, MEDIC, LIKE I SAID, MUNICIPALITY COVERING OTHER SHIFTS AND OUR VOLUNTEER STAFFING IS UTILIZED TO TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE.

AND THERE'S A HANDFUL OF THEM.

I'LL GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO MR. RON COZIER. DID I SAY HIS NAME, RIGHT? HE HAS A VOLUNTEER AT STATION THREE.

MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE REACH OUT AND TELL THEM WE NEED SOMEBODY ON AN AMBULANCE, WE CAN COUNT ON HIM TO BE THERE ABOUT 80 PERCENT OF THE TIME HE'LL PULL THEM.

BUT. WITH COVID AND THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING ON AND PEOPLE WORK IN OTHER JOBS THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES ELSEWHERE, I GET THAT, SO IT GETS DIFFICULT.

A PRIME EXAMPLE IS YOU GUYS ALL HEARD ABOUT THE FIRE THAT JUST HAPPENED OVER THE WEEKEND, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN THOSE PICTURES, FLAMES COMING OUT, THE ROOFS COMING OUT, ALL THE WINDOWS. WHILE WE WERE THERE, THREE FIREFIGHTERS HAD TO GO TO WORK AND LEFT WHILE THE FLAMES WERE STILL COMING THROUGH THE ROOF.

THAT'S NOT ON THEM. THEY HAD TO LEAVE.

THEY GOT OTHER JOBS THEY HAD TO GO TO.

THEY CAN'T RISK BEING FIRED OR GETTING WRITTEN UP FOR BEING LATE.

SO THREE OF THE VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS HAD TO LEAVE DUE TO PRIOR COMMITMENTS, WHICH LEFT US HAVING TO MANDATE THREE PEOPLE TO COME IN AND WORK OVERTIME.

SO THE VOLUNTEERS ARE HELPING AS MUCH AS THEY CAN, BUT THEY HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES OUTSIDE OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS WELL.

SO. SO SOMETIMES THE OVERTIME THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE, IT'S PRETTY MUCH GUARANTEED IN A NUTSHELL ON THIS. IF RIGHT NOW WE ARE AT SUCH MINIMUM STAFFING THAT WHEN ONE MEMBER IS OUT NINE TIMES OUT OF 10, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO PAY SOMEBODY OVERTIME TO COVER THAT SHIFT.

SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE ON THIS SLIDE? IS BASICALLY WHAT I SAID BEFORE ONE TEAM MEMBER WORKS TWO THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED AND TWELVE HOURS. THEY TECHNICALLY DO NOT GET PAID OVERTIME UNTIL THEY REACH THE TWO THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY SIX.

SO WHEN I HAVE THE AVERAGE RATE OF PAY, CURRENTLY, IT'S TWENTY THREE DOLLARS AND THIRTY THREE CENTS, THIS IS EVERYBODY.

AND THAT'S THE TWENTY SEVEN PEOPLE THAT ARE ONLINE OFFICERS ARE DOWN TO THE LOWEST PERSON. SO WITH THAT WITH OVERTIME AT TIME AND A HALF IS THIRTY THREE FIFTY.

SO INSTEAD OF PAYING SOMEBODY TWENTY TWO DOLLARS AND THIRTY THREE CENTS TO WORK, I'M NOW HAVING TO PAY THIRTY THREE DOLLARS AND FIFTY CENTS FOR SOMEBODY TO WORK THOSE SAME HOURS.

SO WHEN YOU DO THAT, AND I'M A LITTLE SHOUT OUT TO MS. BETSY ON THIS, BECAUSE SHE ADDED SOME MATH TO THIS THAT REALLY MADE THIS IMPACT.

BETTER THAN I COULD HAVE DONE IT, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

BUT SHE ACTUALLY ADDED THIS IN HERE.

I WAS JUST DOING IT AT A BASE RATE.

WHEN YOU START ADDING THESE THINGS IN, YOU CAN SEE THAT THIRTY THREE DOLLARS AN HOUR FOR THAT SAME PERSON WHO MAY MAKE ONLY $50 OR FIFTY THOUSAND A YEAR.

I'M AVERAGING ONE OR TWO PEOPLE ALL PER SHIFT AND MS. WAYMACK. WHEN YOU WERE A NURSE, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT'S LIKE.

YOU'RE ON THAT FLOOR AND THEY'RE DOING A SIX TO ONE OR A FOUR TO ONE, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE OUT OF 10 TO ONE. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S HAPPENING TO MY TEAM HERE.

I END UP WITH INSTEAD OF SOMEBODY WORKING TWO THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED TWELVE HOURS A YEAR, MAKING FIFTY THOUSAND OR FORTY THOUSAND IS NOW MAKING NINETY SEVEN THOUSAND A YEAR.

THAT'S WHAT IT ENDS UP COSTING ME TO FILL THAT POSITION IF I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PART TIME PEOPLE. SO BY HIRING ONE WITH ALL THEIR BENEFITS INCLUDED AT FIFTY THOUSAND, IT'S A LOW LEVEL. THEY END UP WITH SEVENTY ONE THOUSAND, INCLUDING BENEFITS POSSIBLE SAVINGS RIGHT THERE OF ABOUT THIRTY FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS.

THIS IS A GUY JUST TO KIND OF SHOW YOU HOW OUR VOLUME IS DOING.

OUR VOLUME IS ACTUALLY TICKED UP, WHICH I KIND OF FIGURED IT WOULD.

BUT WHAT IS SURPRISING? OUR VOLUME IS TICKED UP 15 PERCENT AND MS. ALAN FROM FROM LAST YEAR TO CURRENT YEAR AND THE FIRESIDE THAT DROPPED TWENTY THREE PERCENT. SO OVERALL FOR EVERY CALL THAT THE CAREER STAFF HAS TO RESPOND TO.

WE'RE UP FIVE POINT FIVE FOUR PERCENT OVER TWENTY TWENTY.

AND WHAT I DID IS JUST KIND OF ANNUALIZE IT SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE AT.

SO THE SUMMARY, BASICALLY WHAT WHAT I'M ASKING ON HERE IS WHEN REQUESTING THREE ADDITIONAL MEDICS, HOPEFULLY I CAN DO THIS.

WE ALREADY HAVE THE JOBS POSTED FOR THE CURRENT VACANCY WE HAVE.

WE WILL START THOSE INTERVIEWS AND HOPEFULLY OFFER THE FIRST PERSON THAT POSITION GETTING FIELD SOMEWHERE AROUND JANUARY.

BUT I'M ASKING US IF WE COULD GO AHEAD AND JUST TRY TO FILL THESE OTHER THREE FOR TWENTY TWENTY TWO. ESTIMATED COST SEVENTY ONE THOUSAND THREE THE IMPACT OF THIS CURRENT BUDGET WILL BE ONE HUNDRED AND SIX THOUSAND DOLLARS.

THE OVERTIME PROJECTION WITHOUT ADDING THE THREE PEOPLE WE ARE PROJECTED RIGHT NOW, IF WE

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AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 60.

AND PART OF THAT NUMBER INCREASE ISN'T BECAUSE IT IS BECAUSE OF OVERTIME, IT'S ALSO BECAUSE OF THE SALARIES.

OTHER WAYS TO MANAGE OR REDUCE OVERTIME IS TO SHUT DOWN TRUCKS BROWNOUT.

I REALLY DO NOT WANT TO DO THAT.

I CAN MOVE PEOPLE AROUND, BUT THAT WILL DELAY RESPONSES TO TO YOUR HOMES.

YOU MAY GET LUCKY IN THE CREW.

BE CLOSE TO YOU OR NOT.

THE OTHER THING WE CAN DO, THE SERVICE RESPONSE LEVELS WILL BE IMPACTED BY THAT.

OUR RESPONSE TIMES COULD BE INCREASED BECAUSE WE CURRENTLY OPERATE RIGHT NOW.

I'M NOT SURE IF YOU KNOW WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE AT EACH STATION AT THOSE STATIONS, THERE'S A FIRE TRUCK, THERE'S AN ANALYST.

SO IF A MEDICAL EMERGENCY COMES OUT, THOSE TWO PEOPLE GET ON THE AMBULANCE.

NOW THERE'S NOBODY THERE TO HANDLE THE FIRE TRUCK.

IF A FIRE CALL COMES OUT, THEY GET ON THE FIRE TRUCK NOW THERE'S NOBODY THERE TO MAN THAT THAT ANIMAL IS IN THAT AREA.

WHAT I'M HOPING TO DO BY ADDING THE THREE PEOPLE, THIS WILL REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF MANDATORY OVERTIME COVERAGE FOR THIS.

WE PULLED THESE NUMBERS AND THERE WERE EIGHTY THOUSAND ROUGHLY APPROXIMATELY.

THAT CORRECT FOR THE MANDATORY.

IT WAS IN A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF MANDATORY NOW MANDATORY IS CHAIRMAN BROWN, YOU WANT TO GO HOME? WELL, THAT'S GREAT. BUT NO, SOMEBODY CALLED OUT.

I'M ONLY JUST STAY ANOTHER 24 HOURS TODAY, BUT I GOT TO GO.

I KNOW YOU DO. YOU'VE GOT TO GO GET ON THAT TRUCK.

SO IT GETS A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT NOW WE GET A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WANT OVERTIME AND WORK, BUT WE WERE WE WERE STATISTICALLY HIGH IN THE OVERTIME THERE BY ADDING THESE PEOPLE, WE KIND OF EXPERIMENTED WITH THIS A LITTLE BIT WITH SOME OF THE PART TIME PEOPLE BY ADDING AN EXTRA PERSON. LIKE I SAID, WE'RE AVERAGING ONE TO TWO PEOPLE OUT PER SHIFT ON AVERAGE, IF ONE PERSON CALLS OUT MY OVERSTAFFED BY ONE.

I'M NOT HURTING. I DON'T NEED ANYBODY AT THAT POINT, WE'RE GOOD BECAUSE THEY'RE ABLE TO COVER IT. SO WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS TO TRY TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE ARE LITERALLY STAFFED AT THE ABSOLUTE BARE MINIMUM.

IF ONE PERSON CALLS OUT OR GOES HOME RIGHT NOW, A TRUCK HAS TO BE SHUT DOWN OR MYSELF ADJACENT, HAVE TO GO GET ON A TRUCK UNTIL WE CAN FIND SOMEBODY TO GET HERE WITH THAT EXTRA PERSON ON SHIFT.

IT DOES HELP ELIMINATE SOME OF THOSE ISSUES, DOESN'T ELIMINATE IT COMPLETELY, BUT IT HELPS ELIMINATE IT.

SO A PERSON MAKING TWENTY FOUR DOLLARS AN HOUR, JUST MAKING UP A NUMBER.

TO COVER THE SHIFT AS OPPOSED TO SOMEBODY IN OVERTIME AT THIRTY SIX DOLLARS AN HOUR, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO.

SO BASICALLY, I'M LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM YOU GUYS WANT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MAY HAVE ON WHAT ON THE CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE AND SEE WHAT YOU WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON IT ABOUT THE FUTURE FUNDING CONSIDERATIONS FOR POSSIBLE APPROVAL.

THE TOTAL IMPACT FOR THOSE THREE PEOPLE TO COME IN THE FISCAL YEAR, THE NEXT TWENTY THREE BUDGET WILL BE TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS.

THERE IS A SAVINGS, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT SAVINGS OF THAT JUST YET BY ELIMINATING THOSE MANDATORY OVERTIME HOURS.

KATE BOARD MEMBERS, YOU'VE HEARD THE PRESENTATION, I'M GOING TO START TO MY LEFT VICE CHAIR WAYMACK, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS FOR CHIEF BEEMAN? SO WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE CALL OUT, YOU DON'T PULL FROM ANOTHER STATION.

WELL, WHEN SOMEBODY CALLS OUT RIGHT NOW, WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS WE SEND OUT.

WE TRY TO GET ANY OF THE PART TIME PEOPLE WE CURRENTLY HAVE, AND THEN WE SEND OUT A BLAST TO SEE WHO CAN GET. SO SOMEBODY WHO IS CURRENTLY ON SHIFT THAT MORNING, LET'S SAY THEY CALLED OUT SIX O'CLOCK IN A.M.

AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ON SHIFT AT 7:00.

SOMEBODY DOESN'T GET TO GO HOME UNTIL WE GET SOMEBODY HERE.

WE HAVE A LIST CURRENTLY AND EVERYBODY'S IN A ROTATION TO MAKE IT FAIR.

AND IT'D BE YOUR TURN TO DO MANDATORY NEXT TIME.

IT'S YOUR TURN TO HAS TO STAY WHEN WE NEED TO.

AND SO ON. SO THAT DOES HAPPEN ONLY BECAUSE CURRENTLY, WHICH IS REALLY IRONIC, I HAVE THE MOST PROBLEM GETTING FULL TIME.

I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM RIGHT NOW, GETTING FULL TIME PEOPLE.

I HAVE A PROBLEM GETTING PART TIME PEOPLE.

IF I HAD 17 FULL TIME PEOPLE, I WOULDN'T BE STANDING HERE IN FRONT OF YOU RIGHT NOW.

BUT THE PROBLEM IS I CAN'T GET HIM AND THE ONES THAT I GET WORK OTHER PLACES AND I CAN'T GET THEM TO COME TO WORK. I'M ACTUALLY LIEUTENANT CORN AND I MET IN MS. CORRIE AND I'M AT THE OTHER DAY AND WE CAME UP WITH A GREAT IDEA AS CORRIE MS. HURT THAT ACTUALLY ABOUT TARGETING SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY RETIRED FROM THIS BUSINESS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WORK THERE.

AND MAYBE WE CAN GET THEM THERE. MAYBE WE CAN TARGET THAT.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THAT DOESN'T SOLVE MY ISSUE.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, SIR.

I JUST WANTED YOU SAID YOU HAD 17 FULL TIME.

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IF I HAD 17 PEOPLE, THAT WOULD CONSTITUTE ABOUT SIXTY SIXTY SEVEN PERCENT OF MY CURRENT OF WHAT I HAVE. FULL TIME PROBLEM IS IS I ONLY HAVE ABOUT FIVE RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT NOW, I UNDERSTOOD THAT, BUT I JUST YOU SAID FULL TIME AND I KNOW YOU MEANT PART TIME. I DIDN'T MEAN PART TIME.

I APOLOGIZE IF I HAD SEVEN, MAKE SURE IT WAS.

IF YOU WANT TO GIVE ME 17 FULL TIME, I'M ONLY ASKING FOR THREE.

I GOT ANYTHING ELSE.

MR. HUNTER. NO, I'M GOOD, ACTUALLY.

I HAD TALKED TO CHIEF ABOUT THIS EARLIER, SO I HAD G CORRIE.

DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? MS. WAYMACK OK, MR. WEBB. I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT YOUR NUMBERS, WOULD YOU FULLY STAFFED, BUT BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THE AVERAGES OF RAN FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS, I THINK I JUST ANSWERED MY OWN QUESTION. OK.

AS FAR AS IF YOU FULLY STAND FOR THE FULL TIME PEOPLE, WHAT HAPPENS, BUT YOU'VE GOT PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY WITH THE AVERAGE ABSENCES THAT FAMILIES AND OR TRAINING THAT'S BEING MISSED. YEAH, WE ACTUALLY I MET WITH THE CAPTAINS TODAY IN THE OFFICERS AND YOU KNOW WHERE WE WERE ON THE VERGE OF KNOWING THAT I'VE GOT ONE PERSON GOING ON MY FLY IN DECEMBER AND I'VE GOT DECEMBER.

IS THIS HUNTING SEASON HIS HOLIDAY SEASON? PEOPLE WANT OFF? WE'RE ON THE VERGE NOW, TELLING PEOPLE WHO HAVE 300 HOURS OF PAID LEAVE THAT YOU CAN'T TAKE OFF.

WELL, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO BURN THEM OUT EITHER.

OH, ABSOLUTELY NOT. AND THAT'S WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO.

THEY THEY WORK VERY, VERY HARD.

I MEAN, WE THEY BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I PULLED THE MANDATORY OVERTIME AND I HAD JUST AS MUCH WILLINGNESS OVERTIME WHERE PEOPLE WERE PULLING.

I ACTUALLY HAD TO GO BACK AND PULL THAT, AND I FOUND SEVERAL PEOPLE.

WE ONLY REQUIRE THEM TO WORK.

WE ACTUALLY DO NOT ALLOW THEM TO WORK MORE THAN 72 HOURS STRAIGHT.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THEY CAN GO HOME AND REST FOR EIGHT TO 12 HOURS AND THEY COME RIGHT BACK AND DO IT AGAIN.

IT'S ALWAYS BETTER WHEN THEY VOLUNTEER.

THE PROBLEM IS, I GOT TO WONDER WHERE THEY ARE ON THAT LAST HOUR ON THAT LAST CALL, WHAT THAT JUDGMENT IS GOING TO BE AND KNOCK ON WOOD GOT A GREAT TEAM AND NOTHING HAS HAPPENED AND I'M LOOKING TO TRYING TO GET THEM A LITTLE BIT OF HELP.

AND I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT IF I HAD THIS, NORMALLY, DEPARTMENTS WILL STAFF LIKE NPPA GUIDELINES JUST TO GIVE YOU AN UNDERSTANDING AT LEAST HALF WAY BELOW THE MINIMUM NFPA GUIDELINES SAY THAT THE FIRE APPARATUS, A FIRE TRUCK, SHOULD HAVE THREE TO FOUR PEOPLE ON IT. IT'S ACTUALLY IT SAYS FOUR, BUT WE GET BY WITH THREE.

I'D BE HAPPY WITH TWO.

THE EXAMPLE I GAVE EARLIER WHERE IF A FIRE CALL COMES OUT BUT THAT CREW IS ON AN AMBULANCE, A FIRE TRUCK FROM A FURTHER AREA IS GOING TO GOING TO RESPOND.

IF THEY ARE ON THE FIRE TRUCK AND THEY NEED AN AMBULANCE, A FURTHER AMBULANCE IS GOING TO END UP COMING TO THAT BY ALLOWING EXTRA PEOPLE ON THERE.

WHAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SAID I'VE COME FROM, WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD THREE PEOPLE ON A ON AN ENGINE OR FOUR PEOPLE ON AN ENGINE.

SO WHEN SOMEBODY CALLED OUT, WE NOW OPERATED WITH ONLY THREE PEOPLE ON AN ENGINE INSTEAD OF FOUR, AND WE NEVER HAD TO CALL THEM PART TIME PEOPLE.

I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE PART TIME PEOPLE.

SOME DEPARTMENTS DID HAVE PART TIME PEOPLE.

BUT WHAT ALSO WORKS, AND I'M NOT SAYING I CAN DO THIS OR WHAT THIS AMOUNT WOULD COME TO.

LET'S SAY THAT WE ARE FULLY STAFFED ONE DAY.

AND NO, YOU GUYS GRANT ME THE THREE POSITIONS AND NOBODY CALLS OUT.

THAT AFFORDS ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO EITHER DO TRAINING TO OFFSET SPLIT THE COUNTY INTO TWO DISTRICTS TO WHERE THE CAPTAIN CAN RESPOND TO THIS AREA.

AND THIS PERSON CAN RESPOND IN THIS AREA TO OVERSEE CALLS AND RUN INCIDENT COMMAND.

OR THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE FIRE SERVICE CALLED DEPENDING ON WHAT SERVICE YOU GO TO OR AREA. LIBERTY DAY, KELLY DAY SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE WHERE REMEMBER I TOLD YOU THAT THE FIRST WEEK I CAN WORK, LET'S DO THIS AS A 40 HOUR WEEK YOU, BECAUSE IT'S EASIER TO UNDERSTAND IF I WORK 40 HOURS MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY.

AND THE EIGHTH ON FRIDAY IS EIGHT HOURS, RIGHT? I WORK THAT I NOW HAVE 48 HOURS THAT WEEK WHEN I WORK MY FOLLOWING 40.

THE NEXT WEEK, I NOW GET PAID FOR THE EIGHT HOURS I WORK THE FIRST WEEK RIGHT ON FIRE.

IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. THEY WORK IN CYCLES.

SO IF I GET THE FORTY EIGHT HOURS FIRST WEEK, DON'T WORK AT ALL THE SECOND WEEK AND IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE THE END OF THE CYCLE.

THEY DON'T GET PAID OVERTIME. IT'S ALL STRAIGHT.

SO WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS SAY THAT I'M FULLY STAFFED AND I GOT THAT EXTRA PERSON.

NOBODY WENT HOME.

WE CAN SAY, HEY, WE GOT AN EXTRA PERSON TODAY.

IT'S A SLOW DAY. IT'S A SUNDAY WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO HOME.

SOMEBODY GOES HOME 12 HOURS OR 24 HOURS EARLY.

GUESS WHAT HAPPENS? THEY DON'T GET OVERTIME.

SO WHEN THAT CYCLE ENDS, THEY WERE OFF 12 HOURS, THEY NOW NO LONGER GET PAID THAT 12 HOURS BECAUSE I SENT THEM HOME ONE DAY.

SOME PEOPLE MAY APPRECIATE THAT OR THE OPPORTUNITY TODAY.

SO THAT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION THERE WHEN THAT HAPPENS.

ONE OF THOSE SHIFTS WHEN WE OVERSTAFFED THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED AND ONE OF THE OFFICERS WAS ABLE TO DO THAT. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BOARD MEMBERS, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR.

I THINK IT'S VERY EVIDENT HERE.

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I SAY, I'D SAY WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE PAY ME NOW IS LOOKING AT MODIFYING THE POSITION CONTROL CHART AND THESE THREE POSITIONS, WE'LL STILL HAVE SOME OVERTIME.

IF WE YEAH. AND IF WE SAY, PAY ME LATER AND WE DON'T DO IT NOW, WE'RE STILL GOING TO PAY THE OVERTIME AND MAYBE EVEN MORE IN OVERTIME.

SO THAT'S RIGHT.

THAT'S RIGHT. SO THE THE ISSUE HERE OR WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE IS A CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD TO PUT THIS ON THE NEXT BUSINESS AGENDA AND HAVE THIS TO COME BACK AS A REQUEST TO A CHANGE FOR THE POSITION CONTROL CHART AND THE BUDGET AND THE BUDGET.

YES, SIR, THAT IS CORRECT.

SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH EACH BOARD MEMBER ASKING FOR A CONSENSUS.

I'LL START TO MY LEFT MS. WAYMACK. YES.

MR. WEBB. YES.

OK. AND I SAY YES, SO YOU HAVE THE BOARD, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WE GREATLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU GUYS ARE DOING.

THANK YOU. JUST DON'T COME BACK ANY TIME SOON.

YOU JUST GAVE ME 17 POSITIONS.

I DON'T NEED TO COME BACK. YEAH, WE'LL BRING THAT IN TO REQUEST NEXT WEEK.

YEAH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT NEXT BUSINESS MEETINGS BEING NEXT WEEK.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, SIR.

THE NEXT. AUCTION ITEM IS A PROPOSAL FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CHIEF EARLY GIVE A STAFFING INCREASE IN THAT LAST WOULD TRULY BE A BUDGET INCREASE OF MORE OF A LAND.

VARIANTS MOVING, BUT DO YOU WANT EXPLAIN HOW THAT WOULD WORK? REAL QUICK. EXCUSE ME.

EXCUSE ME. CERTAINLY.

I'M SORRY, CHIEF.

GOOD. OH, COME ON, I'M SORRY.

MR. CHIEF MONGER.

I MEAN, I'M SORRY, CHIEF BEEMAN.

YES, THERE IS NOT SUFFICIENT FUNDING WITHIN THE FIRE AND EMS BUDGET TO ABSORB THE HALF YEAR IMPACT. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A TRANSFER FROM YOUR GENERAL FUND CONTINGENCY.

AT THIS POINT, I THOUGHT BECAUSE HE'S ALREADY HE'S HE'S ALREADY OVER AND OVER TIME, WE CAN'T TRANSFER MONEY FROM OVERTIME TO THE FULL TIME SALARY AND BENEFIT LINE.

RIGHT? THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS ASKING.

YES, SIR. IT WOULD BE A TRANSFER FROM GENERAL FUND CONTINGENCY.

OKAY. SO MISSES HER AND I CAN HELP CHIEF BEAMAN WORK ON THE BUDGET TRANSFER PIECE AND THE MODIFICATION TO THE POSITION CONTROL CHART.

GOT YOU. SO WE SPEND ON FULL TIME SALARIES INSTEAD OF PART TIME.

YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE PACKET, SO IT WOULD DO YOU BELIEVE SHE EVER? CORRIE SAID. SHE COULD GET IT TO ME TOMORROW.

OK? EVEN IF WE JUST HAVE THE TITLE, YES, SIR, YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE DETAILS.

I THINK IT CAN BE INCLUDED.

ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. OK, HAVE THE TITLE ONE SO WE CAN GET IT ON THE AGENDA.

I HAVE THE TITLE AND WE'LL WE'LL WE'LL DEAL WITH IT THAT WAY.

OK? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME? NO, MA'AM. NO, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. OK.

GOOD EVENING OR AFTERNOON, I GUESS IT STILL IS, MR. CHAIRMAN. YES, SIR. MR. ASHCRAFT MR., WHITTEN KEITH, EARLIER YOUR POLICE CHIEF.

WHAT WHAT? WHAT ARE WE ASKING FOR? A CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD FORWARD TO MOVE FORWARD IS A KNOTT AN ADDITIONAL POSITION, BUT A NEW POSITION.

AND I DON'T WANT TO GET THIS CONFUSED.

WE'VE GOT ADDITIONAL POSITIONS WE'LL BE ASKING FOR IN OUR NEXT BUDGET AS WE'RE WORKING ON IT FOR ABOUT TWENTY THREE.

WHAT THIS IS, THIS IS A REQUEST TO ADDRESS WHAT WE THINK IS IMMEDIATE NEEDS AND ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US.

SO I SENT OUT THE THIS POWERPOINT A FEW DAYS AGO.

MAYBE YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT.

A LOT OF IT IS JUST MEANT TO BE EDUCATIONAL BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS A NEW ACCREDITATION MANAGER POSITION AND I'VE GOT AN ET CETERA BEHIND THAT BECAUSE THAT WOULD ENTAIL MORE DUTIES THAN JUST ACCREDITATION.

WE'RE CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH AND I'M WE'LL PROBABLY JUMP AROUND A LITTLE BIT.

RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING THROUGH OUR RE ACCREDITATION PROCESS NEXT MONTH AND THEN OUR NEW TERM. OUR NEXT FOUR YEAR TERM STARTS JANUARY ONE.

SO IT'S ABOUT TIMING OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IN A NEW ACCREDITATION MANAGER CURRENTLY, AND WE'VE ALREADY PLANNED TO TRANSFER THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES TO ANOTHER PERSON REGARDLESS OF THIS AFTER THIS TERM AFTER DECEMBER.

SO RIGHT NOW, IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING TO CREATE A CIVILIAN POSITION FOR ACCREDITATION AND OTHER THINGS AND AS WE MOVE THROUGH.

SO THE REQUEST IS NO ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THIS.

OF COURSE, AGAIN, FY TWENTY THREE, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THOSE REQUESTS.

BUT TO PUT IT SIMPLY, IF WE CREATE THIS NEW CIVILIAN POSITION, WE CAN NOT FIND THE POLICE OFFICER POSITION INDEFINITELY UNTIL YOU DETERMINE THAT WE CAN GET THOSE SWORN STAFFING,

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SO I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANY MONEY JUST ASKING TO REALLOCATE CURRENT RESOURCES, AND YOU'LL HOPEFULLY YOU'LL SEE WHY IN JUST A SECOND.

OK, SO WHAT THIS IS MEANT, AGAIN, JUST EDUCATIONAL.

THESE ARE THE SOME OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE DEMANDS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ONLY ONLY LISTED ONES ARE THE ONES THAT ARE FALLING ON POLICE OFFICERS SHOULDERS RIGHT NOW.

IT IS A HUGE ONE ON ASKING FOR ANYTHING.

NOW I THINK WE'VE GOT THE BEST PLAN WE CAN HAVE WITH INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY.

THAT'S A THAT'S A MONSTER FOR US, QUITE FRANKLY, AND WE'VE GOT THE RIGHT PERSON TAKING LEAD ON THAT. ACCREDITATION IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT ALSO PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE TRAINING, AYRO PUBLIC INFORMATION OR OTHERS.

ALL THOSE ARE FALLING ON THE SHOULDERS OF YOUR POLICE OFFICERS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE OUT IN OUR COMMUNITIES AND NOT DOING ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS THAT QUITE FRANKLY, CIVILIANS COULD DO. AND AND AS YOU KNOW, THE DEMANDS FOR ALL THESE REALLY CONTINUALLY INCREASE. THAT'S MANDATES ITS EXPECTATIONS.

IT'S THE TIME WE'RE IN.

IT'S JUST EVERYTHING TAKES LONGER WITH MORE LAYERS AND ALL THESE THINGS ARE TAKING LONGER PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE IS A BIG ONE TO.

SO INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, I'M NOT GOING TO READ THAT, BUT THE DEMANDS WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT ARE FULL TIME, THAT'S 40 HOURS A WEEK RIGHT NOW.

AND OF COURSE, WE HAVE AN ART DEPARTMENT THAT SUPPORTS US IN MANY WAYS, BUT A WHOLE LOT OF THIS WITHIN OUR SPEED, AND IT'S VERY COMPLEX.

WE GOT MAJOR YOUNG AND CAPTAIN TABOR IN THE AUDIENCE.

IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, THEY MAY HAVE THE ANSWERS THAT I DON'T HAVE, BUT IT IS VERY COMPLEX TO GO THROUGH THE CENTER AND THE PATROL CARS, DESKTOPS, LAPTOPS, PHONES, SURVEILLANCE EQUIPMENT.

IT'S RT EVERYWHERE THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT AND THAT'S ABOUT A 40 HOUR WEEK RESPONSIBILITY.

MAYBE MORE ACCREDITATION.

YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH OUR ACCREDITATION PROCESS.

WE DO BELIEVE IT IS.

IT IS VERY SMART TO CONTINUE THIS PROCESS AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME CRACKS HERE LATELY, STRESS WE'RE EXPERIENCING WITH SOME OF THESE RESPONSIBILITIES, INCLUDING ACCREDITATION.

BUT THAT'S ABOUT 20 HOURS A WEEK, AND THAT'S IT'S CONTINUOUS, IT'S NONSTOP, IT'S NOT EVERY FOUR YEARS, IT'S EVERY DAY, EVERY WEEK, ALL THE TIME.

THE STANDARDS HAVE TO BE MET AND STUFF HAS TO BE DONE.

OF COURSE, TRAINING RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A POLICE SHOULD BE A POLICE LIEUTENANT THAT'S ABOUT 20 HOURS A WEEK. THAT'S OUR TRAINING MANAGER.

IT'S A SHIFT SUPERVISOR DOING THAT.

WE'VE GOT PAYROLL, WHICH DOESN'T SOUND VERY COMPLEX, BUT QUITE FRANKLY, IT IS.

THAT'S ABOUT 10 HOURS A WEEK.

PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE, THIS IS ONE THAT'S REALLY GOTTEN MORE COMPLEX, WE'VE GOT ABOUT EIGHT THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED ITEMS IN PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE THAT OUR PEOPLE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR, AND THAT'S ASSET FORFEITURE SEIZURES, COURT TESTIMONY.

WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A LOT OF TRUST IN THESE POSITIONS AND EXTREME MANAGEMENT SKILLS.

THAT'S A THAT'S A LOT OF COMPLEXITIES DEALING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF FORENSIC SCIENCE AND EKGS AND OTHERS IN DEALING WITH PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE, AND THAT'S ABOUT 30 HOURS A WEEK.

SO BACK WITH THE ACCREDITATION MANAGER, IF WE WERE TO GET THE RIGHT PERSON IN AN EXPERIENCED MANAGER, VERY LIKELY COULD HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE WITH SOME OF THESE OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WE COULD PUT TAG ON THAT PERSON AS WELL.

SO WE'RE ASKING FOR IS TO CREATE THAT POSITION, UTILIZE AVAILABLE FUNDING WITHIN OUR BUDGET AND WE COULD JUST NOT HIRE AN OPEN POLICE OFFICER POSITION.

AND I TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT IN JUST A SECOND.

WELL, HERE'S THE SECOND REQUEST SOME LATITUDE TO MANAGE POLICE OFFICER POSITIONS.

SO WHAT I MEAN BY THIS WHAT I WOULD LIKE FOR, FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER TO GIVE US THE LATITUDE TO DO OUR CURRENT STAFFING IS SIXTY TWO POINT FIVE EMPLOYEES JUST IN THE PD.

THAT'S INCLUDING ANIMAL SERVICES OR S.E.C..

FIFTY NINE OF THOSE ARE SWORN POLICE OFFICER POSITIONS.

WE AVERAGE ABOUT NINE HIRES SWORN POLICE OFFICER HIRES PER YEAR, ABOUT NINE.

THAT'S RETIREMENTS.

AND WHATEVER HAPPENS, WE'RE ALWAYS PLAYING CATCH UP.

WE'RE NEVER I DON'T KNOW OF A YEAR I'VE EVER SEEN IN A POLICE DEPARTMENT WHERE WE'RE OPERATING AT FULL STAFFING.

IT MAY THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE YEAR MAY HAPPEN TEMPORARILY, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING GOING ON AND IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO HIRE, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO GO THROUGH THE MEDICAL, THE PSYCHOLOGICAL, THE BACKGROUNDS, ALL THE TRAINING.

SO WE'RE ALWAYS PLAYING CATCH UP TO THAT.

FIFTY NINE SWORN POSITIONS WERE ALLOTTED.

WHAT THE LATITUDE I WOULD LIKE IS NOT TO IS TO.

GO OVER THAT FIFTY NINE FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME WHEN WE KNOW RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT A RETIREMENT COMING UP ONE IN FEBRUARY, ONE IN MARCH.

WE KNOW THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DROP IT OFF FEBRUARY AND MARCH.

IF WE'RE AT FIFTY NINE NOW AND WE'VE GOT A GOOD CANDIDATE THAT WE KNOW OF, WE COULD HIRE THAT CANDIDATE KNOWING THAT THESE TWO ARE GOING TO KNOW ONE, THAT TWO MORE ARE GOING TO

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SO WE'RE NOT ASKING TO INCREASE, YOU KNOW, OUR POSITION CONTROL CHART TO 60.

WE'RE SAYING THERE IS OPPORTUNITIES IN OUR TIMES WHEN WE COULD HIRE AN ADDITIONAL OFFICER KNOWING WHEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, KNOWING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ONE OR TWO DROP OFF.

AND THIS IS THIS IS IT MAY SEEM A LITTLE COMPLEX, BUT IT HAPPENS TO US QUITE FREQUENTLY.

WE ALWAYS HAVE TO STAY AT THAT FIFTY NINE AND WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO CATCH UP TO THAT FIFTY NINE. RIGHT NOW, WE MAY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HIRE ANOTHER PERSON, NO ONE.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DROP OFF.

AND THAT DOES COME BACK TO THE CIVILIAN POSITION THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.

SO WHAT THE. IT MAY SOUND LIKE A BAD TRADE OFF TO FUND A CIVILIAN POSITION AND USE THE FUNDING FROM A SWORN POLICE OFFICER POSITION.

BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, WE GOT WITH THE CURRENT RESPONSIBILITIES ARE SWORN STAFFING PERSONNEL ARE PERFORMING.

WE TAKE THAT WORKLOAD OFF THEIR SHOULDERS.

WE'RE IN EFFECT, PUT ANOTHER OFFICER ON THE ROAD.

AND. THE SALARY GRADE WE WOULD RECOMMEND FOR THE ACCREDITATION MANAGER WOULD BE A THREE 14, WHICH IS LESSER THAN THAT OF A POLICE OFFICER AND ALSO LESS THE COST OF EQUIPMENT AND SOME BENEFITS OF A POLICE OFFICER.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY COST EFFECTIVE AS WELL.

AND OF COURSE, THE REASONING IS OF STATE OF THE CURRENT STATE OF OUR ADMINISTRATIVE RESPONSIBILITY IS GROWING.

WE'VE WE ARE STRESSED IN SOME AREAS IN THE DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW ADMINISTRATIVELY, AND WE DO NOT. AND SOME OF THESE ARE CRITICAL AREAS LIKE PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE AND ACCREDITATION. WE WANT TO AVOID ANY ANY REAL CONSEQUENCES FROM STRESS ON OUR STAFF AND OUR DEMANDS ANY MORE THAN WE ALREADY HAVE.

AND WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE BEST RECOMMENDATION THAT WE CAN COME BEFORE THE BOARD CURRENTLY WITHOUT ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL MONEY TO USE WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO US TO BEST SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. AND THEN THAT IS THE PRESENTATION IN CHIEF BOARD MEMBERS, YOU'VE HEARD THE PRESENTATION, I'M GOING TO START TO MY RIGHT THIS TIME, MR. WEBB, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, SIR? NOW, IN ALL HONESTY, I'VE SEEN THIS IN MORE THAN ONE BUSINESS MODEL BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S STRUGGLING WITH HELP, ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

I READ IT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TIMES.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO.

I'M OK WITH IT. MR. HUNTER, I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO.

MY QUESTION IS, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET? YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE PERSON TO DO ALL OF THESE FUNCTIONS THAT I NEED THE ACCREDITATION, THE TRAINING, THE SURVEILLANCE EQUIPMENT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE THE PROPERTY. OH.

NO, SIR, THAT THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SLIDES, THAT WAS JUST TO SHOW YOU WHAT POLICE OFFICERS ARE DOING RIGHT ADMINISTRATIVELY.

THIS ONE POSITION REALISTICALLY THE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY THAT OF ACCREDITATION MANAGER.

BUT WE COULD ABSOLUTELY LOOK AT PUTTING OUR PAYROLL.

I'M JUST IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON THE PERSON IN THE SKILL SET.

THEY BRING IT DEPENDING ON THEIR BACKGROUND, THEY COULD TAKE OVER SOME OF TRAINING, IF NOT ALL OF TRAINING.

SO ACCREDITATION AND SOMETHING ELSE, IT WOULDN'T BE ALL OF THAT.

AND I KNOW ACCREDITATION IS.

UH, FOR FIVE DAYS A WEEK, EIGHT DAYS A WEEK, WHATEVER, BECAUSE YOU'RE CONSTANTLY HAVING TO DO THE PROOFS AND EVERYTHING, VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE TRAINING ASPECT OF IT.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE GOT TO STAY ON ALL THE TIME TO KEEP EVERYBODY TRAINED THE PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR PROPERTY EVIDENCE TOGETHER, YOU LOSE CASES IN COURT AND YOU KNOW SURVEILLANCE. YOU GOT TO KEEP YOUR EQUIPMENT UP.

YOU GOT TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHERE IT IS.

YOU'VE GOT TO KEEP ALL THE RECORDS ON THAT.

ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE VITAL THINGS AND AND I WAS LOOKING AT THAT AND I SAY, WELL, YOU HAD 80 HOURS DOWN.

THAT'S AT LEAST AN 80 HOUR A WEEK FOR SOMEBODY TO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T GET ONE PERSON TO DO THIS AT ALL, THAT WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO MITIGATE OUR CURRENT ADMINISTRATIVE WORKLOAD.

I'LL TELL YOU, LOOKING LOOKING A LITTLE BIT DOWN THE ROAD, WE BELIEVE THERE'S NOT.

YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH RUSSELL BLUESTEIN, RIGHT? ERARD OFFICER. HE'S HE'S CRITICAL TO US.

HE DOES. HE'S A FANTASTIC EMPLOYEE.

THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAP INTO THAT MARKET A LITTLE BIT MORE.

WE BELIEVE PART TIME RETIRED OFFICERS TO DO SOME OF THE STUFF THAT A LOT OF IT QUITE FRANKLY, REQUIRES INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND THAT MIGHT REQUIRE A HIGHER RATE OF PAY PART TIME PAY. BUT IT COMES WITHOUT THE BENEFITS AND ALL THE OTHER EXPENSES.

BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT MOVING FORWARD RIGHT NOW.

THIS POSITION DOES NOT WOULD NOT ELIMINATE ALL OF THAT, BUT IT WAS CERTAINLY MITIGATED

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AND AGAIN, WE BELIEVE WE WOULD HAVE SOME INTEREST IN THIS POSITION, BUT I BELIEVE WE COULD TAKE SOME OF THOSE CRITICAL AREAS AND MANAGE THEM MUCH BETTER.

WHEN I SAW THE POWER POWERPOINT, I WAS LIKE, HOLY COW, YOU KNOW, IT'S NO WAY IN THE WORLD SOMEBODY COULD TAKE TO BEGIN TO DO ALL OF THESE FUNCTIONS.

THAT WON'T HAPPEN. AND SO YOU, YOU'VE GOT AN OPEN POSITION.

IS THAT RIGHT? RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT ONE OPEN POSITION, AND THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP. IT'S IT'S THE ANIMAL SERVICES MANAGER'S POSITION THAT'S OPEN.

WE'VE GOT THAT ADVERTISED CURRENTLY.

I HONESTLY, I PREDICT THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE TIME TO FILL, SO THAT'S OUR ONE POSITION THAT IT'S OPEN RIGHT NOW.

YOU'VE GOT A SERGEANT FILL IN THAT RIGHT NOW.

YES. AND WE'VE ADVERTISED IT FOR A CIVILIAN, WHICH WHICH IS WHAT IT SHOULD.

IT'S IDEAL IF WE HAVE A CIVILIAN MANAGING AND LEADING ANIMAL SERVICES, BUT THAT IS THE POSITION THAT'S OPEN.

WE'VE HAD A POLICE SERGEANT FILL IN.

THAT STILL IS UNTIL WE FIND THAT POSITION.

IF WE WERE TO MAGICALLY, IF WE WERE TO FIND THAT, IF WE WERE TO MAKE A HIRE IN THAT POSITION, SAY IN DECEMBER, WHICH I DON'T ANTICIPATE WE WOULD BE FULLY STAFFED AND WOULD NOT HAVE THE FUNDING ON OUR POSITION CONTROL CHART FOR THIS POSITION.

THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT UP, BUT WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DROP IT OFF AND WE KNOW WE HAVE SAVINGS. WE'RE ALWAYS IN THE BLACK AND BETSY AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE'RE ALWAYS IN THE BLACK ON SOURING WAGES BECAUSE YOU, YOU FUND US FOR SIXTY TWO POINT FIVE POSITIONS. WE'RE NEVER AT THE END OF THE YEAR HAVE WE HAVE WE FUNDED SIXTY TWO POINT FIVE POSITIONS. IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN.

AND AGAIN, ON AVERAGE, WE'RE FILLING NINE POSITIONS A YEAR.

THIS IS TWO SWORN OFFICERS THAT ARE LEAVING YOU.

YES. YOU KNOW, WHEN RANDY DALTONS IS PROJECTED FEBRUARY AND ANTHONY REID, DETECTIVE REID IN MARCH? OKAY.

I HATE TO SEE THEM GO. YES.

AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IT'S RETIREMENTS.

IT'S GOOD TIMES. BUT, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR WHAT WHAT MR. BEEMAN SAID, CHIEF BEEMAN.

WE'RE FULLY STAFFED SWORN STAFF RIGHT NOW.

WE ARE BETTER THAN MOST, BUT IT'S STILL IT'S STILL VERY CHALLENGING WITH THOSE TWO DEPARTMENTS BEING FULLY STAFFED WITH THE REAL COMPLEMENT PRINCE GEORGE BECAUSE NO OTHER LOCALITIES DON'T HAVE THAT LUXURY.

YES, SIR. AND ONE OTHER THING JUST TO BE TOTALLY TRANSPARENT.

SO THAT THAT WAS THE REASON I BROUGHT UP THE ABILITY.

IF THE BOARD WOULD GIVE US THE LATITUDE TO TO IF WE'RE CURRENTLY SIXTY TWO POINT FIVE POSITIONS FILLED AND WE KNOW WE'RE IN A IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A COUPLE MORE VACANCIES, WHICH WILL TAKE MONTHS TO FILL.

WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT LATITUDE TO TO FILL WHEN WE CAN RE-ASSURING THE BOARD THAT WE WERE. WE'RE GOING TO STAY WITHIN OUR BUDGET AND SALARY AND WAGES, WHICH WE'VE WE'VE ALWAYS DONE. OK, AND ONE OTHER THING, IF I MAY, I GAVE YOU THE SALARY GRADE RANGE FOR THE POSITION. WE ANTICIPATE THAT WE WOULD FOR AN EXPERIENCE ACCREDITATION MANAGER.

IT WOULD TAKE 50000, MAYBE SLIGHTLY MORE TO BRING A PERSON IN, SO THE STARTING SALARY WOULD NOT BE AT THE STARTING RANGE OF THAT SCALE.

MS. WAYMACK, VICE CHAIR, WAYMACK, WHERE IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU FIND SOMEBODY WITH THE CRITERIA TO BE AN ACCREDITATION MANAGER THAT'S A CIVILIAN? I THINK THAT THAT DEFINED IN THOSE THOSE PEOPLE ARE A CHALLENGE.

WE'VE HAD INTERESTS EXPRESSED FROM FOLKS THAT WANT TO COME WORK FOR PRINCE GEORGE, SO WE THINK THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US OUT THERE.

THERE ARE CIVILIANS OUT THERE WHO HAVE DONE THIS.

OH, YES, MA'AM, THERE ARE. THERE ARE AGENCIES.

IT'S A IT'S A WIDE MIX.

THERE'S DEPUTY POLICE CHIEFS DOING ACCREDITATION.

THERE'S POLICE OFFICERS DOING ACCREDITATION, BEING THE ACCREDITATION MANAGER.

AND THERE'S DEFINITELY CIVILIANS THAT ARE ACCREDITATION MANAGERS.

BUT IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.

YOU ASK TO FIND A CIVILIAN WITH THAT PRIOR EXPERIENCE AND THAT INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE COULD BE DIFFICULT.

WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN FIND THAT PERSON.

AND IF YOU DON'T IF WE DIDN'T FIND THE RIGHT PERSON, WE WOULDN'T FILL IT.

WE WOULD WE WOULD FIND ANOTHER WAY TO TO ADJUST AND GO ABOUT BUSINESS.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

YES, MA'AM. WHERE DO I START? I GUESS THE FIRST THING IS, I WANT TO CLARIFY THIS IS MY POSITION.

ONLY THE FIRST FOUR YEARS WHEN I RAN ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT I SAID WAS I REALLY FELT LIKE THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT COME TO THE BOARD AND THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT.

ARE. THE BOARDS.

POORLY. AND SO WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS ON THE LATITUDE PIECE OF IT.

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AND HIS OR HER DEPARTMENT HEADS, BECAUSE THAT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OPERATES AND SUPERVISES THE DAY TO DAY, IF THAT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR KNOWING AHEAD OF TIME THAT THERE'S PEOPLE IN ONE OF HIS OR HER DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE RETIRING, THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH THAT DEPARTMENT HERE TO PUT A PLAN TOGETHER TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT TO THAT DEPARTMENT. SO THAT MIGHT MEAN HAVING TO ADD A COUPLE OF PEOPLE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD, THEY'RE GOING TO ROLL OUT FOR RETIREMENT.

SO WHEN I SAY THAT AND I MEAN THIS IN IN THE BEST WAY, CERTAIN THINGS LIKE THAT TO ME ARE THE BOARD SHOULDN'T BE GIVING APPROVAL OR CONSENSUS ON BECAUSE IN ALL HONESTY, IN THE END, FOR THIS BOARD, WE HOLD THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR ACCOUNTABLE AND RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS OR HER BUDGET IN THE END.

AND IF WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THAT LEVEL, THEN WE DON'T NEED A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

THAT'S JUST MY OPINION AS ONE BOARD MEMBER SITTING UP HERE.

GO AHEAD, MR. WEBB AND THEN I'LL COME BACK AND FINISH UP MINE.

NO, I'LL LET YOU KNOW.

GO AHEAD. NO. WHAT OTHER STUFF? THE OTHER THING I HAVE ISN'T TIED DIRECTLY TO THAT.

SO IF YOU'RE RESPONDING BASED ON THAT, I'D RATHER LET YOU GO AHEAD AND SPEAK.

I CAN AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID.

WITH THE ONE EXCEPTION.

IF IT'S GOING TO EXCEED THE BUDGET THAT WE APPROVE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIVE OF US THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. THAT'S OUR OPERATING BUDGET AND WE'RE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE CITIZENS. I FEEL THAT NEEDS TO COME TO US.

AND I WOULD EXPECT AT THAT TIME, I WOULD EXPECT THAT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WOULD COME TO THE BOARD TO TALK ABOUT BUDGET IMPACT.

BUT IF THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR LOOKS AT IT AND FEELS LIKE I CAN JUGGLE THIS FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS, BUT I'M GOING TO ALSO NOW HAVE SOME MONTHS WHERE I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT COST. AND IN THE END, I THINK I'M COMFORTABLE WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE A WASH.

AGAIN, I THINK WE PAY THAT PERSON TO BE AT THAT LEVEL OF RESPONSIBILITY.

THAT'S JUST AGAIN MY JUST.

FLOYD BROWN, I'M ONE PERSON UP HERE.

THAT'S JUST MY OPINION ON THE OTHER PIECE, I NEED TO ASK THE QUESTION.

RECENTLY, WE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS CHIEF REGARDING AND I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO CALL NAMES, BUT I THINK YOU'LL KNOW WHERE I'M GOING.

AND PART OF THAT JUSTIFICATION WAS NEEDING AN INDIVIDUAL TO GET YOU THROUGH ACCREDITATIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT WITH THIS REQUEST.

WHILE I REALLY WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT THE PRESENTATION, I THOUGHT THAT REQUEST THAT WAS MADE BEFORE WAS KIND OF SOMEWHAT ADDRESSING SOME OF THIS.

SO IF I'M WRONG, PLEASE CORRECT ME.

BUT IF YOU BRING IN A PERSON THAT BECOMES THE ACCREDITATION MANAGER WITH ALL OF THESE I.T. RESPONSIBILITIES AND POTENTIALLY OTHER STUFF, WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT ROLE THAT WE JUST MADE A CHANGE ON NOT EVEN TWO MONTHS AGO? I DON'T THINK, YEAH, THAT THAT ROLE WAS AND THIS WAS ALREADY IN MOTION, THAT THE IT PART OF THE DEPARTMENT IS WHERE OUR CURRENT ACCREDITATION MANAGER.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE FEELING A LITTLE STRESS.

THE IT RESPONSIBILITY FROM THE DEPARTMENT HAS QUITE FRANKLY, MADE IT NECESSARY FOR US TO MOVE HER IN THAT MORE IN THAT ROLE AND THE ATTENTION WE NEED, THE ATTENTION SPENT ON ACCREDITATION MANAGER. SO NOTHING'S CHANGED.

THAT WAS THE DIRECTION THAT HOPEFULLY WE EXPRESSED IN THE PAST, BUT THAT THAT POSITION IS IS GOING TO BE MORE IN AN IT ROLE AND OTHER THINGS.

THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT HATS, BUT THE PRIMARY HAT GOING BACK IS, WAS IT MOVING FORWARD? AND I'M SORRY, CHIEF, I'M SORRY.

I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT ACROSS. YES, SIR, YOU DID.

AND I GUESS I WOULD CHALLENGE WITH THE I.T.

ROLE. OR LET ME JUST SAY.

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS A CUSTOMER OF I.T..

ARE WE BETTER SERVICED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR I.T.

DEPARTMENT HAS THE RESOURCES TO SUPPORT? OR DO WE START ADDING MORE RESOURCES TO THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE THESE I.T.

NEEDS? THAT'S JUST ME AGAIN TALKING.

I WOULD EVEN HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. DREWRY IF YOU DON'T MIND WHEN I HEAR THE POINT ABOUT PAYROLL.

I MEAN, I WOULD ASSUME PEOPLE ARE THE THIS IS ALL FLOWING THROUGH, I GUESS, MUNIS OR WHATEVER. I'M REALLY KIND OF BAFFLED ON WHAT IS THE REAL PAYROLL REQUIREMENTS.

FROM, I GUESS, ANY OF OUR DEPARTMENTS THAT WOULD CAUSE THAT LEVEL OF OF ACTIVITY OR THAT

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NO DISRESPECT TO ANYONE.

YOU'D LIKE TO ANSWER THAT, BUT EACH DEPARTMENT HAS.

OK, REQUESTS.

MM HMM. SEPARATE, OK.

CABLE OR LOSE TIME AND ATTENDANCE SYSTEM, I GUESS.

OK. PILING, VETTING AND VERIFYING THE HAVE.

AN ELECTRONIC UPLOAD.

OK. WELL, YOU'VE JUST HELPED ME OUT TREMENDOUSLY, JUST WITH YOUR RESPONSE.

I DID NOT REALIZE THEY WERE ON A SEPARATE PAYROLL SYSTEM AGAIN, I'M GOING TO DO IT IN MY WORK. THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMEBODY SUPERVISORS UNDERSTOOD BEFORE IT GOES TO PAPER, OH, THIS IS EDUCATIONAL FOR ME BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I THOUGHT EVERYBODY WAS OK.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT EITHER, BECAUSE I THOUGHT EVERYBODY WAS TIED INTO TO MUNIS AND AGAIN, BECAUSE I DON'T WORK IN THE COUNTY.

DAY TO DAY. BUT IN A DIFFERENT WAY BECAUSE THEY'RE THERE.

WEEKS KNOTT 40 HOURS, RIGHT? OK, I THINK I MISSED THE QUESTION.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR PAYROLL PROCESS.

YOU WHERE YOU HAD LAID OUT ABOUT THAT PERSON.

YOU HAVE ABOUT 10 HOURS WORTH OF PAYROLL RESPONSIBILITIES.

SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.

I GET IT. IT'S CLEAR TO ME NOW IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY DOING ALL OF THIS MANAGEMENT TO GET IT UPLOADED INTO OUR SYSTEM.

YES, VERSUS I THOUGHT I THOUGHT THE ENTIRE COUNTY WAS ON THE SAME SYSTEM TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY THAT YOU CLOCKED IN OR CLOCKED OUT, BUT YOU ENTERED YOUR TIME.

I KNEW THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE SOME TYPE OF APPROVAL PROCESS.

SO SHE SHE JUST HELPED TO CLARIFY THAT FOR ME, BECAUSE I DID NOT KNOW THAT WE HAD A COUPLE OF DEPARTMENTS THAT WERE ON A DIFFERENT PAYROLL TRACKING TIME TRACKING SYSTEM.

AND THEN YOU HAVE TO UPLOAD.

SO I'M CLEAR WITH THAT, AND CAPTAIN TABOR IS PROBABLY THE MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE IN THE ROOM ON ON OUR PAYROLL. AND IT IS IT'S IT'S WAY MORE COMPLEX THAN MOST PEOPLE REALIZE WITH THE SELECTIVE TIME, ALL THE OVERTIME, THE HOLIDAY SCHEDULING IT, IT'S COMPLEX.

IT'S WHY THE TEN HOURS MIGHT BE AN UNDERSTATEMENT.

AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT AND WE'VE GOT A DETECTIVE DOING IT RIGHT NOW, AND IT TOOK HER QUITE A WHILE TO GET IT.

BUT YES, IT'S COMPLEX.

OKAY, THANKS.

JUST GOING BACK EARLIER TO MY COMMENT, I DO THINK THAT WE DON'T.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT ONE THING, AS I'VE SEEN OVER THE YEARS, SOMETIMES WHEN WE MAKE ORDINANCE CHANGES, WE HEAR SOMETHING AND WE REACT TO THE SYMPTOM AND WE MAKE AN ORDINANCE CHANGE. AND THEN WE FIND OUT A MONTH OR TWO LATER, OH, WE DIDN'T MEAN FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.

SO WE COME BACK.

SO I WOULD JUST SAY ON THAT I.T.

THING, IF IF IF WE'RE BETTER POSITIONED TO ADD ANOTHER RESOURCE INTO IT, THAT NOT ONLY WOULD GIVE THEM MORE FOCUS, BUT MAYBE SOME OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

IS THAT THE RIGHT PLACE TO SPEND TO ADD THAT RESPONSIBILITY VERSUS HAVING THAT AS A TASK? THEN YOU CAN HAVE THAT PERSON FOCUSING ON OTHER THINGS.

IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO BE FOCUSED ON THE I.T.

RESPONSIBILITIES IN THE PAST, WE HAD A WE HAD A KNOTT POSITION WITHIN THE PD AND.

WE WE HAVE AN EC MANAGER INSTEAD OF THAT POSITION CURRENTLY.

YES, SIR. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A POLICE OFFICER THAT HAPPENS TO BE THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, I THINK WOULD BE YES, IDEALLY IF WE HAD THAT PERSON IN IT, THEY COULD SUPPORT ALL OF OUR COMPLEXITIES IN THE PD.

IT WOULD BE IDEAL.

THE REALITY OF IT IS, IS IT'S I BELIEVE YEARS WOULD BE THE RIGHT WAY OF DESCRIBING IT, YEARS OF KNOWLEDGE TO BE REALLY EFFECTIVE WITH THE ARRAY OF SOFTWARE, CAT OR MOUSE AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE DO.

AND IT JUST SO HAPPENS.

OUR BEST RESOURCE IS A POLICE OFFICER FOR THAT.

SHE'S VERY TIRED, KNOTT.

SHE'S GOT ALL THE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND SHE'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT HAS QUESTIONS, THEY COME TO HER ABOUT OUR, OUR APPLICATIONS AND OUR SOFTWARES.

SO, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WE COULD CERTAINLY BUILD TOWARDS THAT POSITION.

BUT IN THE SHORT TERM, I THINK WE'VE GOT THE BEST SOLUTION.

AND IT'S NOT IDEAL HAVING A POLICE OFFICER FULFILLING THAT, BUT IT'S PUTTING OUR TALENTS

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YES, SIR. AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, THOUGH, THAT WE DON'T LOSE FOCUS, THAT WE GIVE YOU THE SHORT TERM SOLUTION. AND BECAUSE THE SQUEAKY WHEEL DOESN'T SQUEAK ANYMORE, WE DON'T EVER COME BACK AROUND TO ADDRESS WHERE THE REAL NEED IS.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY IT'S YEARS DOWN THE ROAD SOLUTION JUST BECAUSE OF THE THE KNOWLEDGE THAT OF THOSE SYSTEMS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO YOUR DEPARTMENT.

SO I THINK THIS ACCREDITATION MANAGER IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

IT'S A FIX NOW, BUT IT'S ALSO LOOKING LOOKING FORWARD THAT WE NEED TO BUILD OUR CIVILIAN STAFF. IT'S MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO TO TO TO ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WE HAVE. DO YOU THINK IT'S PERSONALLY A GOOD STEP NOW AND LOOKING FORWARD, IT'S A GOOD MOVE. SORRY, WE'RE LOOKING.

ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A CONSENSUS TO BRING THIS BACK TO A MEETING FOR A FORMAL VOTE ON THIS? YES, SIR. OK.

IT WOULD BE A POSITION CONTROL CHARGE.

YES, SIR. JUST TRYING TO THINK OF EVERYTHING WE HAVE GOING ON HERE OVER THE NEXT, I MEAN, WE BOARD MEMBERS, WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT ALSO BEING THE 23RD, WHICH IS JUST NEXT WEEK OR ARE YOU LOOKING AT DECEMBER 14TH? TWENTY THIRD? WHAT DO YOU THINK, MR. ASHCRAFT? I GUESS IT'S A MATTER OF CAN YOU GET THE PAPER OR WE CAN GET THE TITLE ON THE AGENDA TOMORROW. BUT BECAUSE THAT'S RIGHT, THE BOARD PACKET HAS TO BE FINALIZED THE TITLE ON THE AGENDA. I MEAN, WE'RE I THINK WE'LL BE OK.

BOARD MEMBERS, ARE YOU MS. MS. KNOTT, WHAT DO YOU THINK? BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE THE ONE KIND OF RESPONSIBLE WITH THIS NEED TO BE.

THIS IS PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR MS. ART, BUT WOULD THIS NEED TO BE A SEPARATE ITEM OR CAN IT BE? ONE POSITION CONTROLS CHART ITEM WITH BOTH CHIEF EARLY CHANGES AND CHIEF DAEMONS CHANGES, I'D LEAN TO MR. WHITTEN WHAT DO YOU SAY, SIR? WOULD IT NEED TO BE TWO SEPARATE SEPARATE ITEMS OR SEPARATE DEPARTMENTS? I WOULD THINK SO, TOO.

OR ARE IS THAT DOABLE FOR YOU TO GET IT IF THEY CAN GET ME THE MATERIALS TOMORROW? YES. SO CHIEF BEEMAN AND CHIEF EARLY, YOU GUYS ARE TASKED TO GET THIS TO HER BY TOMORROW IN ORDER. IF YOU MISS THAT DEADLINE, BOTH OF YOU GUYS WILL MOVE TO THE 14TH CABINET, TABLE SAID. HE'S GOT NOTHING ELSE TO DO TONIGHT.

I THOUGHT I HEARD HIM SAY THAT.

YES, SIR. YES, SIR.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

YES, SIR. NEXT ITEM ON THE BOARD'S WORK SESSION AGENDA IS DISCUSSION OF FAMILY DIVISION, LOTS ON PRIVATE ROADS.

MS. WALTON WILL BE MAKING THAT PRESENTATION.

BELIEVE ME, CHAIRMAN BROWN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD MR., ASHCRAFT, MR. WHITTEN, BELIEVE ME.

THIS EVENING, I WANTED TO DISCUSS WITH THE BOARD AN ISSUE THAT HAS COME UP HERE RECENTLY IN OUR DISCUSSION ON PRIVATE ROAD STANDARDS AND THE THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING THEIR WAY THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION TOWARDS THE BOARD.

AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A CURRENT UPDATE ON THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND STAFF AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON AMENDMENTS DESIGNED TO CLARIFY THE PRIVATE ROAD REQUIREMENTS AND THE RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE'VE GOTTEN FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WITH THE CURRENT ORDINANCE AND OVER THE YEARS, DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS, DIFFERENT ENFORCEMENT TRYING TO SIMPLIFY THE REQUIREMENTS, CONSOLIDATE THEM INTO ONE CODE SECTION AND AND TO CLARIFY THE DESIGN STANDARDS, AND ALSO TO ALIGN THE REQUIREMENTS WITH CURRENT V KNOTT BASIC REQUIREMENTS IN ORDER TO HELP FACILITATE FUTURE ACCEPTANCE OF ANY PRIVATE ROADS INTO THE PUBLIC SECONDARY ROAD SYSTEM.

IF IF THE PROPERTY OWNERS DESIRE THAT.

IN REVIEWING THESE DRAFT PRIVATE ROAD AMENDMENTS WITH BOTH THE BOARD IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION FAMILY DIVISION TOPIC CAME TO LIGHT AND QUESTIONS ON LOTS ON PRIVATE ROADS THAT ARE BONAFIDE FAMILY DIVISION LOTS.

AND WHEN THE CODE WAS CHANGED, GOSH, I BELIEVE IN 2013.

SO ALMOST, YOU KNOW, 11 YEARS AGO, WE FAMILY LOTS HAD NOT BEEN IN THE PAST, CONSIDERED THE SAME AS A REGULAR SUBDIVISION OF FOUR OR FIVE LOTS, 50 LOTS, A HUNDRED LOTS.

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SO THE OBSTACLES NOTED.

RECENTLY AND IN THE PAST IS UNDER THE FAMILY DIVISION PROVISIONS.

THERE ARE MULTIPLE IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT ACTUALLY QUALIFY FOR RECEIPT OF LAND EITHER BY GIFT OR GRANT OR DONATION FROM A PROPERTY OWNER.

THAT IS A FAMILY MEMBER.

AND WHEN YOU OWN OR LIVE ON A LARGE TRACT OF LAND, IT IS SOMETIMES.

THE GOAL OF A FAMILY TO DIVIDE THEIR LAND TO THE HEIRS, CHILDREN, FAMILY MEMBERS.

BUT WHEN YOU WHEN YOU LIVE ON A LARGE PRIVATE DRIVE AT THIS TIME, YOU CAN ONLY CREATE TWO ADDITIONAL LOTS AND WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBERS AND YOU CAN SEE THE SCOPE OF WHAT THAT INCLUDES.

BUT WHEN YOU STOP AND THINK THAT IF YOU CURRENTLY OWN A PIECE OF LAND AND YOU LIKE TO DIVIDE THAT UP UNDER THE PRIVATE ROAD, PROVISIONS FOR BONA FIDE FAMILY DIVISIONS IS THREE LOTS TOTAL. SO YOUR ORIGINAL PIECE OF LAND AND TWO EXTRA LIVES.

THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC ROAD FRONTAGE AND IT'S SOMETIMES DIFFICULT. AND THIS IS A FAMILY DIVISION PLANT.

IT'S A PRELIMINARY PLANT WE RECEIVED.

IT WAS MODIFIED IN EVENTUALLY TO MEET THE LOT SHARPER REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE.

BUT THERE ARE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN FOR LOTS THAT ARE VERY UNIQUELY SHAPED SO THAT TWO OF THEM FRONT ON THE MAIN ROAD AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SHEET.

AND THEN.

THREE LOTS THE REMAINDER TRACK, WHICH IS AT THE TOP LEFT CORNER AND THEN.

THE TWO LOTS THAT ARE ON THAT PRIVATE DRIVE YOU SEE WITH THE CUL DE SAC, AND IF YOU SEE THAT THAT VERY UNIQUE SHAPE ON A COUPLE OF THOSE LOTS, I MEAN, THEY JUST TRYING TO GET CREATIVE TO TO ADDRESS THE FACT THAT THEY THEY ARE LOOKING TO DO A FAMILY DIVISION, HAVE MORE THAN TWO FAMILY MEMBERS THAT THEY'D LIKE TO TO PROVIDE FOR AND TRYING TO MEET THE ORDINANCE. THE ANOTHER CODE REQUIREMENT THAT SOMETIMES IS AN OBSTACLE NOTED BY CITIZENS IS THAT SUBDIVISION PLOTS UNDER THE ORDINANCE ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO HAVE ONE PRIVATE ROAD DESIGNED PER SUBDIVISION.

SO EVEN IF THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A LANDOWNER TO MAYBE GO TO ANOTHER PUBLIC ROAD AND ACCESS TO LOTS THAT WAY AND TWO LOTS HERE, HE ACTUALLY, IN ORDER TO MEET THAT CODE PROVISION, WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT TWICE, ONCE TO DIVIDE WITH THIS PRIVATE DRIVE AND WANTS TO DIVIDE. AND WE'VE SEEN THAT.

I MEAN THAT SOMETIMES IT'S AN OPTION.

BUT BUT IT'S AGAIN, IN ORDER TO MEET THE ORDINANCE, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO TWO SEPARATE APPLICATIONS SEPARATED.

YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T DO THEM AT THE SAME TIME TO DO ONE, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, COME BACK AND DO THE SECOND ONE.

WE'VE CURRENTLY I'VE I'VE TALKED WITH.

TO CITIZENS WHO WHO ARE LOOKING THAT THAT THEY DO INVOLVE MORE THAN TWO QUALIFIED FAMILY MEMBERS AND ARE IN THE PRIVATE ROAD SITUATION WHERE ONE OF THEM HAS FOUR.

AND ONE OF THEM HAS FIVE.

SO THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PUBLIC ROAD FRONTAGE FOR WHAT THEY LIKE TO DO.

AND THEY'RE RESTRICTED BY THE THREE LOTS PER PRIVATE.

WROTE PROVISION OF THE CODE.

SO. WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME ALTERNATIVES, I'VE TALKED WITH MR. BROWN. I'VE TALKED WITH STAFF.

I'VE TALKED WITH MR. WHITTEN AND TRIED TO COME UP WITH SOME ALTERNATIVES OR OPTIONS THAT MAYBE THE BOARD MAY WANT TO CONSIDER STAFF LOOKING AT OR DOING MORE RESEARCH ON OR OR PURSUING WITH SOME ORDINANCE CHANGES THAT WOULD GIVE AN OPTION FOR BONA FIDE FAMILY DIVISIONS AND IN A POTENTIAL FOR INCREASED SLOTS ON THE PRIVATE ROAD.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, THE CURRENT PROVISIONS ALL RESIDENTIAL

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SO WE LOOKED AT A A A COMPROMISE OR OR FELT LIKE POTENTIAL OF UP TO FIVE LOTS WOULD MEET THE NEEDS OF MOST OF THE REQUESTS WE SEE IN THE CITIZENS AND ALSO NOT PUT A BURDEN BURDEN ON FUTURE LANDOWNERS ON THOSE PRIVATE ROADS.

AND THE ACCESS WOULD BE TO THESE SLOTS ONLY.

SO WE WOULD BE CAUTIOUS AT LOOKING AT A LANDOWNER THAT IS IN A GRANDFATHERED PRIVATE ROAD THAT ALREADY HAS 20 RESIDENTS.

YO, ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW THAT THAT ONE AT THE END TO DO FIVE MORE? OR SHOULD WE LOOK AT HOW DO WE PROVIDE A PRIVATE ROAD TO THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY? AND I THINK RIGHT NOW THE THE BEST SOLUTION IS ALWAYS TO WORK WITH A PROPERTY OWNER AT THE END OF THE ROAD TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT THAT PRIVATE ROAD TO THAT PROPERTY AND ONLY HAVE THOSE FIVE NEW LOTS.

ON THEIR PRIVATE ROAD, WE ALSO KNOW THAT WE WE TEND TO SEE SOME DELIBERATE CIRCUMVENTION OF THE ORDINANCES AND ONE OF THE TOOLS THAT THE STATE ALLOWS A LOCALITY TO HAVE IN PLACE TO PREVENT THAT IS THE HOLDING PERIOD FOR FAMILY DIVISION LAWS.

THE STATE ALLOWS YOU UP TO 15 YEARS HOLDING PERIOD BEFORE IT CAN BE TRANSFERRED OUT OF THE FAMILY, OTHER THAN FOR A MORTGAGE OR FINANCING THAT YOU CAN CAN DO THOSE.

SO CURRENTLY, PRINCE GEORGE HAS A FIVE YEAR HOLDING PERIOD BEFORE IT CAN BE TRANSFERRED ON FAMILY DIVISION, SO YOU HAVE TO OWN THE PROPERTY FOR TWO YEARS BEFORE YOU CAN DO A FAMILY DIVISION.

SO THE COMPROMISE OR THE TRADE OFF FOR INCREASING YOUR LOTS ON THE PRIVATE ROAD, I FELT LIKE A GOOD AND I TALK WITH MR. WHITTEN ABOUT THIS AS WELL.

YOU KNOW, A GOOD TRADE OFF FOR THAT IS TO INCREASE THE HOLDING PERIOD BY THREE YEARS TO EIGHT YEARS. THAT WILL GIVE COMMITMENT TO THAT FAMILY DIVISION THAT GETS COMMITMENT TO THAT ROAD DEVELOPMENT.

CONSTRUCTION DOES NOT HAVE TO START IMMEDIATELY.

ONCE YOU DO A FAMILY DIVISION, THOSE LOTS ARE CREATED.

THEY CAN EITHER BE BUILT ON OR THEY CAN BE HELD BY THAT FAMILY MEMBER.

SO THE THE HOLDING PERIOD BEFORE TRANSFER IS IS JUST TO ENSURE THAT IT IS A BONA FIDE FAMILY DIVISION.

IT'S KEPT WITHIN THE FAMILY FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.

I FEEL LIKE EIGHT YEARS IS A GOOD COMPROMISE TO TO SHOW COMMITMENT TO THE ROAD DEVELOPMENT AND THE FIVE LOTS.

THE HOLDING PERIOD WOULD REMAIN FIVE YEARS FOR FAMILY DIVISION LOTS KNOTT ON PRIVATE ROADS. WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO CHANGE FAMILY DIVISIONS IN GENERAL JUST ON THESE REQUESTS THAT WE'RE SEEING TO HAVE FAMILY DIVISION LOTS IN EXCESS OF ONLY THREE ON THE PRIVATE ROAD. AND AGAIN, JUST A REMINDER THE STATE DOES ALLOW THAT HOLDING PERIOD TO BE UP TO 15 YEARS. SO IN YOUR AT YOUR DESK THIS EVENING, I DID LEAVE A HANDOUT, AND AT THE BACK OF THAT HANDOUT AFTER THE POWERPOINT WASHED THREE SHEETS WITH SOME CODE SECTIONS AND SOME DEFINITIONS FROM BOTH THE COUNTY CODE AND THE STATE STATE CODE.

SO THE FIRST SHEET WAS ARTICLE FOR FAMILY SUBDIVISION.

AND IF YOU SEE THIS IS THE CURRENT FAMILY SUBDIVISION IN THE PRINCE GEORGE CODE, IF YOU SEE THE RED TEXT UNDER ITEM D, THERE'S A SENTENCE THERE ADDED THAT.

THE NOTES, THE FAMILY DIVISIONS, ACCESS ACCESSED BY A PRIVATE ROAD IN ACCORDANCE WITH

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THIS ONE, ACCESSED BY A PRIVATE ROAD, WOULD BE FOR EIGHT YEARS.

SO THAT'S THE ONE CHANGE THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO CONSIDER THIS.

AND THIS IS JUST SAMPLE TEXT THAT MYSELF AND MR. WHITTEN HAVE HAVE LOOKED AT ON THE SECOND HANDOUT ITS SECTION.

SEVENTY SEVEN TWO FOUR.

WHICH IS WHERE FAMILY DIVISION SENDS YOU TO FIND OUT HOW YOU ACCESS THEM.

IF YOU LOOK UNDER ITEM THREE, CURRENTLY, THE CODE SAYS THAT A PRIVATE ROGUE CAN BE DEVELOPMENT CAN OCCUR ON PRIVATE ROADS TO SERVE NO MORE THAN THREE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS IN A ONE IN A ZONING DISTRICT.

AND YOU CAN SEE AND READ THE TEXT THERE, AND NO MORE THAN FIVE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS MEETING THE FAMILY DIVISION PRESENT PROVISIONS IN SECTION SEVENTY THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED PROVIDED THAT THEN YOU GO THROUGH THE THE REGULAR CONDITIONS FOR PRIVATE ROADS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE ORDINANCE. THE LAST PAGE PULLED SOME DEFINITIONS TOGETHER FOR YOUR REVIEW.

AND UNDER THE PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY CODE OF FAMILY SUBDIVISION IS DEFINED, AND IT ALSO LIST THE THE IMMEDIATE FAMILY DEFINITION AND WHAT MEMBERS.

I'LL FIT THAT DEFINITION, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S ANY PERSON WHO IS A NATURALLY OR LEGALLY DEFINED OFFSPRING, WHICH INCLUDES LEGAL DEPENDENTS, ADOPTIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT, A SPOUSE SIBLING. SO THAT INCLUDES AS A PROPERTY OWNER THAT INCLUDES MY SIBLINGS, KNOTT, NOT JUST MY CHILDREN, INCLUDES A GRANDCHILD, A GRANDPARENT, A WIDOW OR A WIDOWER OF AN OFFSPRING.

SO MY SON, WIFE AND IF MY SON PASSED AWAY UNEXPECTEDLY, MY DAUGHTER IN LAW IS A MEMBER OF MY IMMEDIATE FAMILY, EVEN IF SHE'S NOT A BLOOD RELATIVE.

AND IT ALSO INCLUDES A PARENT OR A BENEFICIARY OF A TRUST, AS PROVIDED FOR BY THE CODE OF VIRGINIA. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT LIST CAN EASILY INCLUDE MORE THAN TWO ADDITIONAL LOTS.

SO IT IS A CONSIDERATION TO THINK OF.

YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT IS OUR GOAL OF FAMILY DIVISIONS? WHAT IS OUR INTENT OF ALLOWING THEM? AND WHAT DO WE THINK OF FAMILY DIVISION SHOULD LOOK LIKE AND INCLUDE WHO SHOULD IT INCLUDE AND SHOULD IT BE ALLOWED ON A PRIVATE ACCESS ROAD THAT HAS MORE THAN THREE LOTS? IS THERE A NEED OR A CONSIDERATION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE FOR THIS TYPE OF SITUATION? THE OTHER TWO CODE SECTIONS I PUT JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE.

THE FIRST CODE OF VIRGINIA TALKS ABOUT HOW A TRUST WOULD WORK AND HOW BENEFICIARIES OF A TRUST CAN BE CONSIDERED.

IT ALSO GIVES YOU THE TIME PERIOD IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARAGRAPH.

YOU CAN SEE IT CAN BE HELD FOR KNOTT TRANSFERRED FOR A PERIOD OF 15 YEARS.

HOWEVER, YOU DO AS A LOCALITY, HAVE THE OPTION TO DO LESS.

THE LAST SECTION? GIVES THE LISTING AND STATE CODE OF EVERYBODY WHO QUALIFIES AS AN IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER. AND IF YOU DO LOOK PRINCE GEORGE DID NARROW THAT LIST A LITTLE BIT.

SO THERE ARE ACTUALLY SOME FAMILY MEMBERS IN THE STATE CODE THAT ARE NOT IN CHARGE.

YOU CAN ACTUALLY INCLUDE AUNTS, UNCLES, NIECES, NEPHEWS, STEPCHILDREN, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO. I THINK PRINCE GEORGE HAS HAS A GOOD.

MIX OF REQUIREMENTS, WE HAVE A PRETTY STANDARD LIST OF IMMEDIATE FAMILY.

WE HAVE REDUCED FROM 15 TO FIVE YEARS ON THE HOLDING PERIOD, THE NONTRANSFERABLE.

AND I THINK IF IF THE BOARD DESIRES TO LOOK AT HAVING A DIFFERENT OPTION FOR PROPERTY OWNERS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO FAMILY DIVISIONS, BONA FIDE FAMILY DIVISIONS, THAT IT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

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DO YOU DESIRE TO CONSIDER SEPARATE REQUIREMENTS FOR FAMILY DIVISIONS ON PRIVATE ROADS? IS IT SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL THE CITIZENS WOULD BENEFIT, BUT THAT LONG TERM WE CAN MANAGE IN AND NOT BE IN SOME OF THESE SITUATIONS? WE ARE WITH SOME OF OUR OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS.

YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH IN PLACE TO PREVENT SOME OF THE PROBLEMS WE HISTORICALLY OR SEE WITH PRIVATE ROADS? DO YOU HAVE ANY INPUT ON THE TOTAL NUMBER OF FAMILY LOTS ON PRIVATE ROAD THAT IF YOU DESIRE FOR US TO INVESTIGATE AND LOOK AT BRINGING SOMETHING BACK TO YOU, WHAT IS YOUR INPUT? IS FIVE REASONABLE? IS THERE ANOTHER ANOTHER NUMBER YOU'D LIKE US TO LOOK AT AND GIVE YOU THE PROS AND CONS ON? AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE NUMBER OF THE YEARS HOLDING PERIOD.

AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO LOOK AT ANYTHING UP TO 15 YEARS.

WHAT DO YOU THINK IS REASONABLE TO TO VERIFY THAT THE ROAD IN THE LOTS OR ARE GOING TO BE MAINTAINED IN THE WAY THAT YOU INTEND? AND WITH THAT IS THE END OF MY PRESENT, I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR ELABORATE ANY FURTHER ON WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT OR WHAT THE INTENT IS, AND WOULD HOPEFULLY TAKE SOME CONSENSUS AWAY TONIGHT ON WHAT DIRECTION YOU THINK STAFF SHOULD SHOULD GO ON THIS SUBJECT. OK, I'LL START TO MY LEFT VICE CHAIR, WAYMACK.

IT SEEMS LIKE 15 YEARS IS A LONG TIME.

COULD WE LOOK AT SHORTENING THAT? I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT THAT COVERS A LONG TIME FOR FAMILY MEMBERS TO WAIT ON THAT TRANSFER OF A PROPERTY? YES, MA'AM, WE ARE.

WE ARE CURRENTLY PROPOSING EIGHT YEARS, OK, WHICH IS THREE YEARS OVER THE CURRENT FIVE YEARS THAT WE HAVE.

ALL RIGHT. THE 15 YEARS IS WHAT THE STATE ALLOWS A LOCALITY AND SOME LOCALITIES TO DO IT.

IT'S IT'S A HOLDING PERIOD.

I DON'T THINK IN IT PRINCE GEORGE THAT THAT WE SEE SUCH A NEED AS MAYBE SOME OTHER LOCALITIES DUE TO GO TO THE FULL 15.

BUT IT IS CERTAINLY YOUR OPTION AS A BOARD TO CONSIDER IT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING EIGHT YEARS. MR. HUNTER. WELL, I LIKE.

WITH LOTS. THAT'S REASONABLE.

AS LONG AS YOU KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF. RESTRICTIONS OR WHATEVER YOU CAN DO BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT.

TOO MUCH ON THERE, RIGHT? IF, IF APPROPRIATE, YOU KNOW? YES, AND I'M SURE YOU.

AND I LIKE TO FIVE YEARS.

MYSELF, OTHER THAN EIGHT YEARS.

I THOUGHT FIVE YEARS IS A PRETTY GOOD.

LENGTH OF TIME. TO KEEP PEOPLE IN LINE.

THEY CAN'T BE REAL HASTY.

EIGHT YEARS. MM HMM.

YES. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

FIVE AND FIVE. YEAH.

MR. WEBB. I GOT A QUESTION, THE EXAMPLE YOU USED ON GRANDFATHERED ROADWAYS.

WE'VE GOT NUMEROUS ONES IN THE COUNTY NOW THAT WILL NOT ACCEPT FIRE AND EMS PROPER ACCESS. SO IF AN INDIVIDUAL HAD A FAMILY ON TRACK, YOU HAD REFERENCED IF THEY WERE TRYING TO FIND AN ALTERNATIVE ACCESS, IF IT LIKE THE LOT ALWAYS IN THE BACK.

WHAT IF IT'S NOT ALWAYS IN THE BACK OR IF YOU CANNOT DON'T HAVE ACCESSIBLE ACCESS TO ANOTHER ROADWAY? WHAT HAPPENS, WHAT DOES THAT KILL IT AT THAT POINT, OR WOULD THEY HAVE TO COME UP AND WIDEN THE ROAD OR BRING THE ROAD UP TO STANDARD TO ANY HOUSES? YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT STAFF HAS DIVED INTO IT THAT DEEP.

I KNOW I HAVE NOT.

WE DID TALK ABOUT THE CONCERN OF A LOT AT THE END, BUT HALFWAY WE MY PHILOSOPHY AND STAFF AS WELL IS WE WE WANT TO WORK ON SOLUTIONS.

AND I'M NOT ARGUING THAT I JUST THINK THAT THEY'RE I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO ALLOW EVERY PROPERTY OWNER ON EVERY GRANDFATHERED PRIVATE DRIVE THAT WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY, BE ABLE TO DO FIVE MORE FAMILY DIVISIONS.

THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT MY RECOMMENDATION.

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WE COULD HAVE AN OPTION TO IMPROVE THE ROUTE TO THAT POINT, WHETHER IT'S WITH I'M STILL NOT TALKING PUBLIC ROAD.

BUT YOU KNOW, THE WITH THE GRAVEL, THE PROPER ACCESS WE NEED FOR FIRE TRUCKS AND AMBULANCES UP TO THEIR THEIR PROPERTY TO WHERE THEY'RE FIVE COME OFF, THAT COULD BE AN OPTION. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT.

MS. WALT. AND I'M JUST THINKING IF SOMEBODY'S GOT THAT AND I COME TO YOU AND I SAY, OK, I'VE GOT THIS PROPERTY, MY ROADS ARE ALREADY GRANDFATHERED.

YOU ALREADY SAID THAT THEN. NOW YOU TELL ME WHY I CAN'T USE THIS ACCESS RIGHT NOW.

I DIDN'T. I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING.

WHEN I READ THIS, I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING THAT SAID THAT.

IT SAID THAT THAT THE THE PRIVATE ROAD UP TO FIVE FOR ONLY THOSE FIVE, THOSE FAMILY DIVISIONS AND THAT THAT THAT IS THE EXTREME OF YOU HAVE TO HAVE A NEW PRIVATE ROAD FOR JUST THOSE PRIVATE FIVE LOTS.

AND WE WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALL SITUATIONS AND DETERMINE WHAT'S THE BEST THING.

I BELIEVE I KNOW SOME PEOPLE THAT GOT THEIR HOUSES ON THE FRONT OF THE ACREAGE AND ALL THEIR REMAINING ACREAGE IS BEHIND WITH THEIR HOUSE.

YES. OKAY.

YOU KNOW, ONE QUESTION I HAVE, BECAUSE WHEN YOU AND I TALKED, I REMEMBER THERE WAS SOMETHING SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WE TALKED ABOUT BECAUSE IN ONE OF THE SITUATIONS I'M AWARE OF. THEY ALREADY IT'S ALREADY A FAMILY TRACK.

THEY HAVE, I THINK, EIGHT RIGHT NOW.

I THINK I COULD BE WRONG.

BUT IF THEY WANTED TO GIVE MORE LAND TO THE GRANDCHILDREN OR WHATEVER, YOU WOULD MENTION SOMETHING ABOUT ME. ANYTHING OVER A CERTAIN NUMBER, THEY WOULD HAVE TO ESTABLISH A SECOND ROAD MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT.

SECOND, ACCESS? YES, OK.

I DIDN'T TAKE THAT AS A SECOND ACCESS.

YOU SAID TO ME I THOUGHT THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT SO THAT OVER TIME, YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE WERE TO PASS ON OR WHATEVER, YOU WOULDN'T END UP WITH JUST A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH, SAY, THAT ORIGINAL FIVE AND BECAUSE THEY PASSED OVER TIME AND THE REST OF THEM DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATE IN KEEPING THE ROAD UP.

YES. AND SO I MEAN, THAT'S MY QUESTION IS GOING TO BE MORE TO IF IT'S MORE THAN A CERTAIN NUMBER AND THEY STILL DON'T HAVE ACCESS OR THEY STILL DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADD A SECOND ACCESS ROAD.

WHY CAN'T WE PUT SOMETHING INTO PLACE REQUIRING THEM TO HAVE TO GET AN UPDATED MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT SO THAT IT NOW INCORPORATES EVERYBODY? OR ANOTHER THING I THINK LIKE WHAT MR. WHITTEN PROPOSED TO ANOTHER ISSUE WE WERE DEALING WITH WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE SANCTUARY DISTRICT. SANITATION DISTRICT SANITATION DISTRICT, WHERE YOU KNOW, YEAH, TO WHERE THAT WAS A WAY FOR THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY THAT LIVED ON THAT ROAD FAIRLY CONTRIBUTED INTO THAT ROAD MAINTENANCE.

SO I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CAUTIOUS ABOUT SAYING FIVE IS THE RIGHT NUMBER WHEN I KNOW THERE'S ALREADY A SITUATION OUT THERE THAT'S MORE THAN FIVE.

AND I'M AND IT'S NOT THAT THEY FILED ANY PAPERWORK YET, BUT I DO KNOW THEY'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH ME.

SO YES, AND I'VE.

THEY HAD CONVERSATIONS TO I THINK I THINK AS A GENERAL, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE, HOW DO WE ADDRESS THOSE EXISTING PROPERTIES ON THE ON? MM HMM. ON LANES THAT ALREADY HAVE NON-FAMILY DIVISION ON THERE.

AND AND WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT A SEPARATE VERBIAGE FOR THAT.

BUT I THINK IN GENERAL, IF SOMEONE'S GOING TO DO A NEW ONE, OK, IT SHOULD BE LIMITED TO THE FIVE.

AND I'M OK WITH THAT.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T CLOSING THE DOOR ON OTHER PEOPLE.

WE ALWAYS YES.

ALWAYS WANT TO LOOK AT.

I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE'S ALWAYS EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE, BUT I WAS JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE WEREN'T CREATING SOMETHING SO LOCK AND SOLID.

THAT WAS AN AUTOMATIC NO TO OTHERS BECAUSE WE'VE NOW COME UP WITH THIS FIVE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE BASICALLY ALL WE'VE DONE IS INCREASED IT FROM THREE TO FIVE.

AND IF I HAVE THREE GRANDCHILDREN THAT I WANT TO GIVE THEM LAND TO LIVE ON THE SAME ROAD I'M ON, I'M ALREADY, I'M ALREADY PAST THAT NUMBER.

SO AGAIN, THAT'S NOT A GENERAL THING.

IT'S AN IT'S ON AN EXCEPTION BASIS.

SO I JUST THINK WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE, THOUGH, THAT WE ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH PEOPLE ON THOSE PARTICULAR SITUATIONS.

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SO RIGHT.

SO AS LONG AS THAT'S FINE, I'M OK WITH, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT PROCESS IF, IF, IF WE WERE, WOULD YOU NEED TO HEAR BACK FROM US BY A CERTAIN TIME? LIKE, ARE WE GOOD WITH ANY OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASK THAT WE GIVE YOU FEEDBACK THEN? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO COME BACK TO US IN THAT NORMAL FLOW AS? IT WOULD BE AN ORDINANCE CHANGE, AN AMENDMENT.

SO YES, WE WOULD DO A WORK SESSION WITH YOU AND ALSO A WORK SESSION WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND IT WOULD GO THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING THROUGH THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION THAN THE YOU. TYPICALLY WE WE ARE.

WE ARE EXPERIENCING GOOD FEEDBACK WITH THE WORK SESSIONS, BOTH WITH THE BOARD AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND I KNOW SOMETIMES THAT THAT STRETCHES THE PROCESS OUT.

BUT BUT WE ARE WE'RE EXPERIENCING A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK AND A LOT OF INTERACTIONS.

SO WHENEVER WE CAN DO THAT PROCESS WITH WITH DEVELOP THE LANGUAGE, BRING IT TO THE BOARD, HAVE A WORK SESSION ITEM AND GO AND DO THE SAME WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, HAVE A WORK SESSION ITEM WITH THEM AND THEN COME THROUGH WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING.

GOTCHA. SO THAT WOULD BE MY MY CHOICE AND RECOMMENDATION.

YOU KNOW, GIVE ME INPUT OF RATHER WHETHER YOU'D LIKE US TO TO LOOK INTO THIS AND COME BACK TO YOU WITH WITH SOMETHING MORE MORE FORMAL AND AND WITH THE OPTIONS FOR WHAT WE DO ON THE EXISTING PRIVATE LANES.

AND I HAVE A WORK SESSION ITEM ON IT.

SO BOARD MEMBERS, ARE YOU OPEN TO THAT? I WOULD THINK MR. ASHCRAFT.

WHAT DO WE HAVE IF YOU CAN REMEMBER? I DON'T REMEMBER ON THE DECEMBER 14TH CALENDAR FOR UNDER DO WE HAVE WE HAVE SPACE ON WORK SESSION. YOU ONLY HAVE ONE ITEM ON THERE RIGHT NOW.

SO WE'RE CERTAINLY SOME BOARD MEMBERS, IF YOU WANT THEM TO LOOK INTO THAT MORE, WE COULD BRING THAT BACK TO A WORK SESSION ON DECEMBER THE 14TH.

WOULD THAT GIVE YOUR STAFF ENOUGH TIME TO? PROBABLY. YEAH, I WOULD PREFER A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.

WE WE HAVE THE TOWNHOUSE PROJECTS COMING THROUGH WITH THE TOWNHOUSE ORDINANCE IN DECEMBER. ARE YOU INTERESTED IN JANUARY? VERY INTERESTED IN JANUARY.

ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

SO THEN LET'S LET'S TRY TO GET YOU ON A FUTURE SCHEDULE FOR FOR JANUARY OF TWENTY TWENTY TWO. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. YES, MA'AM.

THANK YOU. YOU. NEXT ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS A BROAD DISCUSSION ABOUT GENERAL ASSEMBLY PROPOSALS, ALMOST THAT TIME FOR THEM TO TO MEET MR. STOKE WAS JUST AN BACO AND HE GOT TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT BACOS LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS.

SO BETWEEN MR. WHITTEN AND HIM, HE CAN GIVE US A LITTLE UPDATE ON THINGS.

YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD MR. ASHCRAFT BELIEVE MR. CIRCUS PULLING UP SHORT PRESENTATION, BUT VAIKO DID EARLIER THIS WEEK, THEY APPROVED THEIR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA.

IMAGINE ONCE WE HAVE THAT, THAT CAN BE EMAILED OUT TO THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT WEREN'T ABLE TO. I BELIEVE TWO OF THE BOARD MEMBERS ATTENDED VICKIE, SO THEY DO THAT ANNUALLY.

THEY APPROVE THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA.

SO THE MAIN PROPOSAL I HAVE, I WANT TO DISCUSS IS RELATED TO THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT AND SOME OF THE OBSTACLES WE'VE COME ACROSS WITH THE LIMITATIONS ON THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE CAN SPEND ON A PROJECT WITH AN ENGINEER WITHOUT HAVING TO GO OUT TO A FORMAL RFP.

SO BASICALLY, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ENGINEERS THAT ARE ON TERM CONTRACT, WHICH IS A YEAR TO YEAR CONTRACT UP TO FIVE YEARS.

AND SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE A LIMITATION THAT THE SUM OF ALL PROJECTS PERFORMED IN THE ONE YEAR TERM CANNOT EXCEED SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS, AND YOU'LL SEE FOUR LOCALITIES OVER FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS.

THE AMOUNTS EIGHT MILLION IS A PRETTY VAST DIFFERENCE, AND WE'RE WE JUST EXCEEDED THE FORTY THOUSAND FORTY THOUSAND POPULATION MARK WITH THE RECENT CENSUS, SO THAT WAS SEVENTY EIGHT THOUSAND AND TWENTY TWENTY A DROP FROM SEVENTY EIGHT THOUSAND SET OF SONS DOWN TO FIFTY THOUSAND. AND AND I BELIEVE IT WAS IN TWENTY EIGHTEEN THE AMOUNT SOME OF OUR PROJECTS WENT FROM FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND TO SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY.

BUT THE BIGGER ISSUE THAT WE'VE COME ACROSS IS THE INDIVIDUAL PROJECT FEE LIMIT.

AND SO THE INDIVIDUAL PROJECT FEE LIMIT IS ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND.

IF YOUR LOCALITIES UNDER 50 THOUSAND POPULATION, YOU SEE IF YOU'RE OVER FIFTY THOUSAND

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SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO SUBMIT TO OUR LEGISLATORS WOULD BE TWO OPTIONS.

ONE IS TO REDUCE THE POPULATION FIGURE DOWN TO FORTY THOUSAND.

AND SINCE WE JUST EXCEEDED THAT NUMBER, THAT WOULD GREATLY BENEFIT THE COUNTY.

AND SO, FOR INSTANCE, THESE UTILITY PROJECTS THAT ARE ENGINEERING STILL BE TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED FIFTY THOUSAND.

WE COULD GET BIDS FROM OUR EXISTING CONTRACTORS WE HAVE ON TERM CONTRACT GET TWO OR THREE BIDS FROM THEM RATHER THAN HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE FORMAL RFP PROCESS, MEETING WITH THE TOP TWO OR THREE BIDDERS.

AND IT'S A PRETTY, YOU KNOW, FORTY FIVE DAY TO 60 DAY PROCESS.

SO WHAT I'D PROPOSE IS THAT WE SUBMIT A SUGGESTED BILL TO OUR LEGISLATORS THAT WE LOWER THE POPULATION NUMBERS FROM FIFTY THOUSAND TO FORTY THOUSAND AND THAT WOULD BENEFIT A FEW OTHER LOCALITIES AS WELL.

IN THE LOCALITY I CAME FROM, THEY JUST SUCCEEDED AT FORTY THOUSAND AND THEY USED QUITE A FEW TERM CONTRACTS AS WELL.

WE RAN TO THE SAME.

THEY RAN TO THE SAME ISSUE UP THERE WITH A LOT OF THE PROJECTS THEY'RE BUILDING.

THEY WERE BUILDING A FIRE STATION AND THEY RAN TO ISSUES TRYING TO USE THE ARCHITECT WISELY AND FALLING UNDER THAT PROJECT SPEED LIMIT.

SO THE OTHER OPTION I CAME UP WITH, WHICH WE CAN PRESENT THIS TO OUR LEGISLATORS, BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS AS GOOD OF AN OPTION JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT MORE RED INK, AND THAT WOULD BE TO ACTUALLY INCREASE THE NUMBER OF THE SUM OF ALL PROJECTS.

AND WHAT THAT DOES IS THEN YOU HAVE TO ALSO STRIKE THE STATE AGENCY LANGUAGE, WHICH IS ALREADY AT A MILLION.

AND JUST THE MORE INK YOU HAVE, IT'S A LITTLE HARDER FOR THE LEGISLATORS TO PRESENT THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS SINGLE PROJECT WAYMACK THAT.

WE. THEY INCREASED IT TO FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND, THAT'D BE GREATLY BENEFICIAL, WE'D BE ABLE TO GET A LOT OF THE PROJECTS THROUGH.

AS YOU SEE, THAT IS HIGHER THAN THE AMOUNT THE STATE AGENCIES ARE ABLE TO DO, WHICH IS TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND AND THE SAME AMOUNT YOU'RE ABLE TO DO FOR AIRPORTS.

SO BACK IN TWENTY SEVENTEEN, WHEN I WAS IN WARREN COUNTY, WE WENT TO OUR LEGISLATORS TO TRY TO INCREASE IT TO 250.

AT THE TIME, IT WAS 100.

OUR DELEGATE WAS ABLE TO INCREASE IT TO ONE.

AND HE TOLD US THAT, YOU KNOW, COME BACK IN A FEW YEARS, I'LL BE ABLE TO INCREMENTALLY GET IT UP THERE. SO YOU'RE CLOSER TO WHERE THIS LARGER LOCALITIES ARE.

WELL, WHAT HAPPENED IS INSTEAD OF DOING THAT, THEY JUST DECREASE THE POPULATION FROM SEVENTY EIGHT THOUSAND TO FIFTY THOUSAND AND THEN INCREASE THE ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND LIMIT ANY HIGHER.

SO I MEAN, WE COULD PRESENT BOTH PROPOSALS TO DELEGATE BURR OR SENATOR MORRISEY, YOU KNOW, DELEGATE, COINER, ALL OF OUR LEGISLATIVE.

SOME PEOPLE, BUT I THINK I PROPOSED THE THE FIRST OPTION, WHICH IS JUST INCREASING THE POPULATION NUMBER, WHICH IS YOU CAN SEE THIS LOOKS LIKE A SIMPLER, CLEANER SOLUTION.

AND. AND I MEAN, YOU COULD THEORETICALLY OFFER TO INCREASE THE STATE NUMBERS AS WELL, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO DO THAT, THAT THEY IF THE STATE WANTS TO DO THAT, THE STATE AGENCIES CAN PRESENT THAT.

BUT IT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO INCREASE THAT NUMBER THERE.

THEY'D BE LIKE, WHOA, THE STATE SHOULD HAVE A HIGHER NUMBER.

SO THAT JUST MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED WHEN THE STATES INVOLVED AS WELL THE STATE AGENCIES.

SO THAT'S MY MAIN PROPOSAL.

THE ONLY OTHER PROPOSAL MR. CARMICHAEL HAD ASKED ME TO DISCUSS WAS HE HAD HE WAS CONCERNED WITH THE POSTMARKED BALLOTS, AND HE WAS CURIOUS IF THERE IS A WAY TO HAVE AN EARLIER DATE FOR POST MARKING THE BALLOTS, FOR INSTANCE, LIKE A WEEK OR TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE ELECTION, I TELL HIM I COULD DISCUSS IT WITH THE BOARD IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THE BOARD WAS INTERESTED IN PURSUING. WE COULD TALK TO OUR DELEGATES.

WE COULD ALSO TALK TO THE REGISTRAR IF HE THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA.

BUT I KNOW WITH THE RECENT ELECTIONS, THERE WAS QUITE A FEW BALLOTS POSTMARKED RIGHT BEFORE THE ELECTION DAY.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING. IF EITHER BILL THE BOARD WOULD BE INTERESTED IN PURSUING MORE, BUT WE CAN DISCUSS AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

BOARD MEMBERS, ARE YOU OK WITH US LOOKING AT PRESENTING THIS OPTION TO OUR DELEGATES FOR CONSIDERATION AT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY? YES, I AM. ARE WE GOING TO ENTERTAIN HAVING A.

A DINNER WITH OUR LEGISLATORS.

I KNOW THE LAST COUPLE OF TIMES WE HAD A VERY POOR TURNOUT.

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I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO PLAY IN, MAYBE, BUT WITH AN ELECTION AND CHANGE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SOME NEW FOLKS. YEAH, IT'S GOING TO BE KIND OF HARD TO PULL THAT TOGETHER FOR.

I JUST WOULDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE DONE IN DECEMBER.

I STARTS WHEN WE NORMALLY BREAK IT OUT, SOME OF THESE THINGS UP, AND SO I WAS JUST WONDERING, I DIDN'T WANT TO GET US CAUGHT SHORT IF WE WERE PLANNING THAT RIGHT.

WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT, MR. WEBB? I'M SORRY WITH THIS PROPOSAL, I'M A LITTLE BIT.

OUT THERE ARE NOT READY TO GO AS FAR AS THE POSTMARK.

YEAH, I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO THAT ONE BECAUSE I HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT ONE.

MARK, WHERE'S YOUR HOW THAT WOULD WORK? YEAH. MS. ON THIS ONE ON THIS PROPOSAL.

SO I'M I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A GIRL, A NOD FROM THE FOUR OF US ON THIS ONE.

IF WE HAVE TO PULL TOGETHER A ZOOM CALL OR WHATEVER TO TO HAVE OUR REPRESENTATIVES WE CAN GET, WE CAN GET FIGURED OUT THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS.

I CAN WORK WITH MR. STARK ON DRAFTING A LETTER THAT WE COULD SEND TO OUR LEGISLATORS.

AND PROBABLY WHAT WE DO IS PRESENT THE FIRST OPTION THAN WHEN WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSIONS.

WE COULD ALWAYS PRESENT THE OTHER OPTION.

THAT'S PROBABLY HOW, BECAUSE I KNOW THEY DO HAVE THEIR DEADLINE COMING UP SOON FOR SUBMITTING THEIR BILLS, RIGHT? SO MANY BILLS. SO AND THEY ARE THE ONE THAT MR. CARMICHAEL HAS BROUGHT ABOUT THE CHANGING OR GOING TO THEM ABOUT CHANGING THE POSTMARK DATE ON THE BALLOTS AND MAKING IT SOONER.

I'LL START HERE ON MY LEFT TO MS. WAYMACK. NO, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT.

YEAH, I CAN'T SEE THAT HAPPENING.

THAT OH, I CAN'T EITHER.

I DON'T WANT TO PROPOSE SOMETHING THAT I DON'T, THAT I DON'T WANT TO FIGHT ABOUT IT, THAT WE CAN'T WIN, RIGHT? MR. WEBB. WELL, I AGREE WITH BOTH OF THEM.

AND IN ALL HONESTY, WHAT'S IT GOING TO CHANGE, RIGHT? IF YOU POSTMARKED THE DAY OF THE VOTE, IT STILL GOT TO BE COUNTED.

SO PUTTING IT OUT TWO WEEKS EARLIER, I DON'T SEE WHAT YOU COULD GAIN OUT OF THAT.

YEAH, I HAD ONE OF THE HIGHEST TURNOUTS WE'VE EVER HAD THIS LAST TIME AROUND.

SO THE SYSTEM WE GOT IS WORKING.

SO I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO PUT OUR DOG IN THAT FIGHT, I THINK.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS IT'S POSTMARKED BY WHAT THE STATE HAS SAID NOW, I THINK I DON'T THINK PRINCE GEORGE NEEDS TO STEP OUT ON THAT LIMB.

AND THAT'S JUST SO I'M HEARING FROM ALL FOUR HERE TONIGHT THAT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO CONSIDER SENDING FORWARD.

I DON'T KNOW. HE HASN'T DISCUSSED THAT WITH ME EITHER.

SO. SO I WOULD SAY THAT THE FOUR BOARD MEMBERS HERE TONIGHT ARE SAYING NO, OKAY.

I WOKE UP, GAVE A COPY OF THE LETTER TO OK, AND I'LL MAKE SURE TO REACH OUT TO HIM AND AND LET HIM KNOW WHAT THE FOUR MEMBERS.

I THINK THEY SHOULD COME FROM ME.

ALL RIGHT. YEP. THANK YOU, SIR.

DO YOU HAVE TO DO YOU HAVE ANY HOT BUTTON ISSUES OVER THERE THAT YOU SAW THE THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY WAS GOING TO BE ENCOURAGED BY? OR IS IT JUST THE TRADITIONAL ONES? THANK YOU, MR ASHCRAFT.

THE TWO HOT BUTTONS THAT WERE REALLY DISCUSSED INTENSELY AT VARGO WERE BATTERIES, EITHER FOR ELECTRIC GRID STORAGE OR FOR THE SOLAR FACILITY ELECTRIC STORAGE AND HOW THOSE BATTERIES WOULD BE REGULATED, TAXED, ALLOWED, PERMITTED.

ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS CAME UP AND IT WAS A SPIRITED DEBATE.

AND OF COURSE, THE OTHER ISSUE WAS NOW THAT COVID, THE REGULATIONS ON EVICTIONS HAS STARTED TO LET UP, AND IT'S COSTING SOME OF THESE APARTMENT AND HOTEL OWNERS $4000 FOR EACH EVICTION PROCESS THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH, AND IT'S EXPENSIVE.

AND WHAT AID OR ASSISTANCE ARE THEY GETTING IN ORDER TO EVICT PEOPLE WHO ARE NO LONGER PAYING FOR THE APARTMENT OR THE HOTEL ROOM? MM HMM. THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT FROM THE FLOOR AS ON THE FINAL DAY AND ACTUALLY CHANGED SOME OF THE VARGO PRELIMINARY PROGRAM, AND WE WERE TOLD THAT THEY WERE GOING TO SEND OUT THE FINAL PROGRAM WITH SEVERAL CHANGES MADE BY COMMITTEES AND ALSO THE ONE FROM THE FLOOR ON THE FINAL DAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DEAR.

THE LAST ITEM ON YOUR WORK SESSION BEFORE YOU GO INTO CLOSED SESSION WITH TYPICALLY HAD A WORK SESSION IN DECEMBER TO BEGIN BUDGET DISCUSSIONS FOR FOR THE NEXT YEAR.

WE'VE HAD SEVERAL BUDGET ITEMS THAT WE'VE BROUGHT BEFORE YOU IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS.

I THINK THAT'S BEEN REAL HELPFUL.

BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT THE TIMING OF THEM REALLY STARTS IN DECEMBER AND THEN YOU ADVANCE THEM INTO THE INTO THE NEXT YEAR.

AND I THINK THAT THEN THERE MAY BE A COUPLE OTHER ITEMS THAT MIGHT BE IMPORTANT.

SO I WOULD SUGGEST TO THE BOARD THAT YOU CONSIDER A WORK SESSION IN DECEMBER AND LOOKING

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AND AND THEN THERE'S OTHER THINGS SWEARING IN CEREMONIES AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE BEST DAYS, 13 OR 15 IF YOU CHOOSE TO HAVE ONE.

OK, SURE, I CAN DO BOTH OR EITHER ONE.

OK, WHAT'S YOUR SCHEDULE LOOKS LIKE AT THIS TIME? MR. ON MONDAY OR WEDNESDAY? THERE'S A THIRD CERT MEETING ON THE 13TH, WHICH I DON'T HAVE TO BE AT THAT TIME TO BE AT THEM, SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON ON THE 15TH.

OK. MS. WAYMACK I CAN DO EITHER ONE AND I CAN DO EITHER ONE.

SO IF YOU WOULD PREFER TO GO TO THE THE CERT MEETING, WE CAN DO THE WE CAN MARK THE 15TH.

IF THAT'LL WORK, SIR, AND I WOULD STILL BE A FOUR PM START.

YES, ON THAT DATE.

SO WE'LL LOOK AT DECEMBER 15TH AND WE CAN DO WE NEED TO.

WE'LL JUST ADJOURN TO THAT WHEN WE FINISH UP OUR OUR THANKSGIVING ON THE NIGHT OF THE 14TH, WE'LL JUST ADJOURN TO THE 15TH ON THAT ON THAT DOWN WEEK.

AND I WOULD ALSO REMIND THE BOARD IF THERE'S ANY BYLAW CHANGES OR ANY DISCUSSION YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE, YOU MAY WANT TO LET MR. WHITTEN BE RESEARCHING THOSE KIND OF THINGS FOR YOUR ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING IN JANUARY.

JUST THE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW THAT CREEPS UP ON YOU PRETTY QUICKLY.

YEAH. BOARD MEMBERS, I WILL BE SENDING YOU AN EMAIL, BUT I I'D LIKE TO MAYBE RECOMMEND NEXT YEAR FOR BYLAW CHANGES THAT WE CONSIDER SCHEDULING TWO MEETINGS A MONTH THROUGH THE YEAR. AND IF WE NEED TO CANCEL ONE, IF WE POSTED ENOUGH TIME, FOLKS CAN WORK THEIR VACATIONS. BUT IT'S A LITTLE TRICKIER WHEN WE PUBLISH MONTHS WHERE WE HAVE ONE MEETING AND THEN WE START ADDING AN EXTRA WORK SESSION TO IT, OR WE START ADDING AN EXTRA MEETING AND THEN PEOPLE HAVE TO LOOK AROUND AND SEE WHO'S HERE, WHO'S ALREADY PUT IN.

BUT I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.

I'LL SPEAK WITH EACH ONE OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. THANKS TO KNOTT REACH OUT TO YOU, SO MR. CHAIRMAN, I COMPLETES YOUR YOUR AGENDA.

A CLOSED SESSION HAS BEEN PROPOSED.

[CLOSED SESSION]

WE NOW HAVE A CLOSED SESSION TO GO INTO.

SO AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LOOK FOR A MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION MR. JR. I MOVED THE BOARD GO INTO CLOSED SESSION UNDER PROVISIONS OF SECTION TWO POINT TWO THREE SEVEN ONE, ONE OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES. SECTION TWO POINT TWO DAYS THREE SEVEN ELEVEN POINT ONE POINT A POINT ONE FOR DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION OR INTERVIEWS OF PROSPECTIVE CANDIDATES FOR EMPLOYMENT ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT PROMOTIONS, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINE OR RESIGNATIONS OF PACIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES ANY PUBLIC BODY.

SUCH DISCUSSIONS SHALL BE LIMITED TO NAMING OF INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND HIRING OF EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRM.

RIGHT, COULD YOU ADD FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR POSITION THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDED IN THE MOTION, IT WAS ALL RIGHT.

AND WITH THAT ADDITION TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR? OK. NEED A SECOND, PLEASE? OK, IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. WEBB, AND IT'S BEEN SICKENED BY MR. HUNTER THAT THE BOARD WOULD NOW GO INTO CLOSED SESSION BASED ON THE TOPICS THAT WERE AND CODE SECTIONS THAT WERE REFERENCED IN THE CONTAINED MOTION BOARD MEMBERS.

YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. YOU READY FOR THE QUESTION? MRS. KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MRS. WAYMACK? YES, MR. HUNTER. MR. WEBB. YES, MR. BROWN. YES, THE BOARD WILL BE IN CLOSED SESSION.

WE WILL MEET HERE IN THIS ROOM, SO WE'LL HAVE TO CLEAR THIS ROOM OF ANYONE OUTSIDE OF WHO'S SUPPOSED TO. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO BOARD CERTIFY TO THE BEST OF EACH BOARD MEMBERS KNOWLEDGE SAID ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETINGS REQUIREMENTS WAS DISCUSSED AND ONLY MATTERS IDENTIFIED IN THE CONVENING A MOTION WERE DISCUSSED.

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ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A SECONDARY MOTION FOR OR ANOTHER MOTION FOR US TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.

ALL RIGHT. MR. CHAIR, I'LL MOVE THAT TO BOARD GO INTO CLOSED SESSION UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION TWO POINT TWO THREE 311.

THIRTY SEVEN ELEVEN OF THE VIRGINIA CODE OF FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT FOR THE PURPOSE FOLLOWING PURPOSES.

SECTION TWO POINT TWO DAYS THREE THREE SEVEN ONE ONE POINT A POINT ONE FOR DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION OR INTERVIEWS OF PROSPECTIVE CANDIDATES FOR EMPLOYMENT ASSIGNMENT APPOINTMENTS, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINE OR RESIGNATIONS OF PACIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES AND EMPLOYEES OF PUBLIC BODIES.

SUCH DISCUSSIONS SHALL BE LIMITED TO NAMING OF INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND HIRING OF AN EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRM FOR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

SECTION TWO POINT TWO THREE, THIRTY SEVEN, ELEVEN POINT EIGHT FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL EMPLOYED OR RETAINED BY A PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION.

PROVISIONAL OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSEL.

AND SUCH DISCUSSIONS SHALL BE LIMITED TO HOLLINGSWORTH AND SERVICE CENTER METALS.

THAT'S MY A MOTION, OK, BOARD MEMBERS, YOU'VE HEARD THEM A MOTION MADE BY MR. WEBB AND SECOND BY MR. HUNTER MRS KNOTT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. HUNTER? YES, MR. WEBB.

YES, MR. BROWN.

YES, IT'S THIS ONE.

YES. ALL RIGHT.

THE BOARD IS GOING TO ENTER INTO CLOSED SESSION.

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